Typical of the media. Many of the MSM imagine they are the intelligentsia of society, and are "above" us peasants, who need to be led, not informed.

I was at a Reform party town hall meeting a few years back, in a small town with three newspapers. At the media table sat a young reporter from the biggest (circulation) paper.

Just before the meeting began, a well known left wing reporter from one of the other papers came in a spoke quite vehemently to the young reporter, and after a few minutes, they left, leaving the media table empty.

Next day, there were columns on the meeting in both those papers, negatively slanted, yet neither paper had a reporter there to hear and see what went on. They simply made it up.

Truly contemptible. I'm sure that if a bunch of liebs rose to sing the anthem, the press would join in wih a full-throated roar.

"This is why we despise you"

Damn straight

I'm beginning to think the mass media are a bunch of Aliens hired by the Lieberals. How could they possibly be Canadians and not stand, if not sing, the Anthem of their Country?

It was probably Lisa LaFlemme... or Gloria Galloway!

Patriotism is never an easy thing for liberal minded media type to warm up to . Because they are to busy bashing all the institutions that instill those sediments.

Timothy Coderre

And the liberal left-wing news media must wonder why the public dont trust them anymore they have earned the notorious left-wing reputations THOSE DIRTY LYING VULTURES HAVE DONE IT TO THEMSELVES AND THEY DESERVE IT

who is richard ball?

Our national anthem represents our pride for our nation and the brave Canadians who died for it.
If you're a libtard transnational progressive, you, Canada and your pride, are a joke.

They piss themselves on Turtle Bay over this hilarity.

Seriously, you're scaring the normals.

When I went to the Liberal leadership debate in Kitchener we sang the national anthem. I assume it is par for the course at a political gathering.

MSM are vermin scum. This is outrage 1,000,001. Outrage 1,000,002 has most likely occured about 30 seconds later.

I look forward to the day when these degenerate, propagandist liars are all unemployed.

Jeffie, it doesn't matter who Richard Ball is, an attendee of the conference. Apparently a witness. Its not about Richard Ball, you twerp.

Its long past time to identify individual members of the media for outrageous acts of bias. Lets not let them hide within the label, 'media'. Every media question should include who asked it and the organization they work for. If they are 'on the job' their behaviour is perfectly admissable as evidence to their biases, just as interview subjects are on the record.

Jeffie, it doesn't matter who Richard Ball is, an attendee of the conference. Apparently a witness. Its not about Richard Ball, you twerp.

poor misguided skippie, there's no link to post, simply the 2nd hand version of a non-event that may or may not have happened.

do you swallow everything kate spoon-feeds you?

This seems to be a problem with the MSM independent of the country of origin. Some years ago, Bernie Shaw, then an anchor on CNN, was asked whether if he came across information which would save the lives of American soldiers, he would report it. He was somewhat scandalized at the suggestion that he would violate his journalist's ethics to be above such petty matters. It is sometimes referred to as the "Shaw Doctrine."

I've said it for some time, the media are more content to "create" the news, rather than "report" the news! They pout like hell when someone {Stephen Harper} tells them that and spew their verbal diarrhea on us. There's no such thing as "professionalism" in "journalism" any more but rather biased "reporting" and personal opinions if you don't kiss the "reporters" back side! Just watch those dunces on Canada AM if you don't know what I mean.
To not stand for our national anthem and to break into the American national anthem instead demonstrates exactaly how childish/inmature these dolts that call themselves "reporters" are!

Jeff: There is no link because this is the post.

In similar disgusting vein..just now on ctv 'news'net,watched interview with Kate Wheeler,and David Aiken regarding a green announcement by PMSH,to be made about Nat.park in the far north.The truly mocking tone by Wheeler,left no doubts as to her political leanings,and her smirk was just vile.How to complain about this bias?

Must be another slow day at jefftard's blog, let alone any inquiries into hiring him as a 'photographer.'

Jeffie boy, the non-events are those which the Liberals are attempting to introduce Dion to Canadians. Trouble is when the event is over they leave scratching their heads, with no idea what the man said in garbled Anglais.

Must have been a series of phantom, cross country, get-to-know-moi BBQ's, not a word in the Liberal ass-licking press about them. Not a good sign.

They are obsessed with fabricating stories about the Conservatives because the truth is too good to report.

Your Liberal reporters are the story here, not the messenger, Richard Ball.

Who is jeff davidson?

In the past, one of the best things about Canada was that we weren't patriotic. We loved Canada but we weren't patriotic.That's our tradition. The kind of patriotism you guys "stand for" (as you would doubtless put it) is one aspect of the loss of our country and its traditions. It's a sad irony.

Who is jeff davidson?

lol.

anyhow, why should anyone believe richard ball? who is he? a conservative party member? a member of the press? kate's cousin? who is richard ball?

ps. irwin daisy, business is just fine thanks.

still waiting for the links to your alleged body of works.

"poor misguided skippie, there's no link to post, simply the 2nd hand version of a non-event that may or may not have happened.

do you swallow everything kate spoon-feeds you?"

[Posted by: jeff davidson at August 7, 2007 11:18 AM]

Therein lies the crux of the difference, in a liberal mind.

The sequence of events should be to investigate, verify and report.

Jeff expects that sequence to be rigorously followed by Richard Ball and Kate. No second hand versions and no spoon feeding allowed; never, ever, under ANY circumstances.

Yet the Jeffs of the world will allow the media to violate EVERY aspect of their work ethic and then will readily pay for the privilege of reading and watching and listening to the results. In their mind if it isn't reported by the credentialed media then it can't possibly be an accurate representation of an event.

They will accept spoon feeding of tripe, while insisting it is fillet.

That is why "fake, but accurate" works for them.

there's no link to post, simply the 2nd hand version of a non-event that may or may not have happened.

Hey, jeff, that's pretty much the same story with the MSM, isn't it? I hate to shatter your universe, but, ever occured to you that MSM articles have no links for verification either, what you read may or may not have happened as recorded and could be second hand.

well folks, i've just been to richard ball's blog and i now understand why kate is reluctant to link to him.

just a little biased huh kate? he lists his occupation as communications/media and is so utterly partisan that it's laughable.

what's the message? you can't trust journalists...unless they're conservatives. heh.

richard ball's blog.

Jeff Davidson: If I recall correctly, there is a Richard Ball who drops comments in to SDA on a regular basis. His blog is called something like "On the Ball" or something like that. He's a regular here at SDA.

So...presuming it is the same Richard Ball, does that change the impact of the story in any way? Not to my way of thinking.

Jeff,

Aside from ad hominem attacks, what's your point?

Do you understand your double standard of proof? I guess you wouldn't be a leftard if you did.

Logic isn't really important to photographers at least. I guess you chose your career well. I'd hate to think you'd chose a job that requires you to think (or add.)

It's hard to get unbiased reporting from our MSM 'reporters' when half of them are either married to liberal insiders, on the payroll, or govonors general in waiting...

Out the reporter who sang the first verse of the U.S. anthem..

There is no "reluctance" on my part to link to him. I received the account via email.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It's always a bad sign when a commentor can't find the shift key.

All the professors, in all the universities in Canada are either liberal or communists, so what do we expect when their little trained stooges plop out of their molds and hold the same contemptible biases against conservatism as their masters.

A little off topic but timely. Just watched a press conference on CNN, with the head guy from the mine disaster in Utah. He took the media to task in a big way, for their false reporting, using so called experts who have no knowledge, and a few other lies they are feeding the public. He named Fox news, the AP and even named names. About time these media people got blasted.
As for Jeff, how much verifying did you do when you made very unkind remarks about me, when you outed Lemons. You are a perfect example of Do as I say, not as we liberal blockheads do.

"In the past, one of the best things about Canada was that we weren't patriotic. We loved Canada but we weren't patriotic.That's our tradition. ..."
[Posted by: exile at August 7, 2007 11:52 AM]

I am American who has worked on a number of projects in Canada in the past and actually lived in Toronto for a while. I have worked for, and done consulting for, a number of Canadian firms operating in the US in the last twenty years. I have always found most Canadians to be patriotic toward their country.

Did I completely miss something, or totally misunderstand these people, or has there been a rewrite of history?

Perhaps a recent change in the definition of patriotism in the Canadian dictionary?

I too have a bit of a beef with that song commonly known as "the national anthem" in Canada. It isn't much of a reverant piece. Forgive me if this is a bit of dusty point of view, but join me in the National Anthem:

In days of yore from Britain's shore,
Wolfe a doubtless hero came
And planted fair Britannia's flag on Canada's fair domain............

I am with Kate on this one.
It's an opportune time to "out" the smartass typist labouring in the guise of an unbiased reporter.
The built in bias against Conservatives (if verifiable) was made manifest in that very gesture of singing the first line of the US Anthem.
Any thing that person put on paper or blackberry from that point on should be viewed as jaundiced, tainted and slanted.
Anyone in a position of confirmation to the story, please "out" the typist/ reporter for the internet.
And let's not be sidetracked by Jeff the troll.

Canuck: The Maple Leaf Forever should be our anthem. But isn't it, Wolfe the dauntless hero came and planted firm, ------.
Personally, I quit singing O Canada when they added the french wordsl.

Another day another 20 or so examples of Canadian media types being asses......
Almost redundant!
Almost...........

If a particular journalist sang the opening line of the US anthem during the Canadian anthem at a CPC meeting,I think the meaning of their insolence is quite clear.
But,no offense to Mr.Ball,I believe another confirmed source would add some validity to a very serious allegation.I am not inclined to believe ANYONE who is partisan making accusations of their political foes these days.

And if proven true...it is yet another CLEAR example of the msm's open contempt for the right.
I agree,this individual must be named.

Maple Leaf Forever, anyone?

Shame we can only hearken back to the greatness that -was- the British Empire, frickin' Brits have well and truly killed it.

Union Jack soon to be replaced by the All-Seeing Eye on a field of cowardice yellow. Maybe a little bloodshot pink in there, not to put too fine a point on it.

MaryT: your lyrics are correct. I guess I wouldn't win "don't forget the lyrics".

I grew up with "Oh Canada" but it never really did anything for me.

I bet dollars to donuts, it was Gloria Galloway.... She was there, her husband being a liberal strategists, was quite upset Stephen Harper didn't allow her and Jane to listen outside their door so she could report to her husband when she returned.... she is so liberal, on Question Period now, they are not allowed to have Western reporters comments, they are too in favour of our Prime Minister.... Jane whined and groaned on our local T.V. she wasn't allowed to listen in on the talks.... she loved that idea, trying once again to have the point brought to the front..poor deal little media.... I would like to know what Gloria Galloways husband would do if O'Connors wife was a reporter and sent around the country to report on Dion.... I would think that would be conflict of interest....

Observer, you want video? Can we get it stamped with the Pope's heel for you? Can't be too careful, y'know.

I think Richard Ball's word is good enough, thanks very much. Chickens come home to roost pretty fast on the web these days, that's enough of an insurance policy for things like this.

Dare I say, grow some SPINE man.

Personally, I quit singing O Canada when they added the french wordsl.

Posted by: MaryT at August 7, 2007 1:27 PM

Actually Mary "O Canada" was originally composed in French before being translated to English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada

That said I get goosebumps when I stand up and sing it.

I think the next time the media is at an event where "O Canada" is being sung they should be handed sheets with the lyrics and then the singers should look directly at them while singing it. I guarantee every man & woman of them would feel shame.

It's always a bad sign when a commentor can't find the shift key.

Snort! If I had a blog, this would be my quote of the day.

On a bitterly cold day during the last federal election campaign a friend and I were standing in the hangar at the Edmonton Aviation Museum waiting to see Stephen Harper speak. One woman, out of the perhaps one thousand people in attendance, was trying to create a stir -- something about her daughter being abused in foster care, or something like that anyway.

Her personal situation had absolutely nothing to do with the federal election, and since she was so short in stature, and with a tiny voice, I don't think hardly anyone would have noticed her if not for the gathering of prurient scent-hounds around her with their cameras and note pads.

It goes without saying that if this woman had stood outside a mall instead of using Mr. Harper's visit to get the word out about her daughter, it wouldn't have been "news".

We found out later that this teeny stir was the cause for the more than one hour delay in Mr. Harper's appearance, and that his people had been trying to talk to and placate the woman.

What just killed me was not just the way the local media devoted as much time to this woman as they did to Mr. Harper's appearance (The local CTV affiliate's coverage was cursory at most) but the fact that they essentially fictionalized what happened. I can't ascribe their motive, but they described the woman as having been mistreated, and they reiterated her apparently-made claims that people had been manhandling her and pushing her missing-daughter-placard out of the way and/or knocking it down.

Now, my friend and I had been standing within eight or ten feet of her the whole time; it wasn't until the reporters descended that we got any hint that she was conceivably newsworthy. She certainly didn't seem to have made a big fuss.

Perhaps someone touched her sign with their hand at some point because it was too close to their eye, say, or blocking their view, but she was treated courteously -- overly courteously, in my view -- at all times.

In effect, the coverage that night, based on her fictional plaint, was a fiction.

What made the local "news" aggravating to watch and read was that anyone who had NOT attended the rally would have had no reason to that the report should be taken at face value, along with it's implication that Mr. Harper doesn't care about little victimized women and their victimized children.

There was, though, another media moment at Mr. Harper's appearance that was even more memorable for me: Susan Bonner of the CBC National News team was in attendance -- but only physically. While Mr. Harper spoke she sat on the rear-end of the riser, where the TV cameras were perched, facing away from the stage and clearly not listening at all. She wasn't even looking around the room at his supporters; she just sat there not even trying to hide the fact that she would rather be anywhere else, and she just generally gave every appearance that she was being put upon by being asked to cover the event.

Perhaps she had a really bad flue or something, or maybe her boyfriend just left her, but as I watched her I couldn't shake the feeling -- actually, I'll call it an understanding -- that if she had been sent to cover a Stephane Dion campaign appearance in Toronto, she would have certainly been face-up, working or watching the room. Or at the very least, not sitting by herself, completely ignoring what's going on, and looking bored.

I don't know if CBC aired any of her coverage of the event (I stayed in town that night and socialized) but it seems likely that if her coverage was aired, the story was well-written before the event.

What is a veteran?

Veteran - whether regular forces, reserve or retired - is someone who, at one point in his or her life wrote a blank cheque payable to Canada for an amount of "up to and including their life".

That is honourable.....and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

-- Author unknown --

Every citizen who refuses to rise and sing our national anthem as did these dispicable media personnel are not only a disgrace to this nation, they are forgetting the sacrifices made by our veterans who serve today or who fought and too often died in order that they could do so in the first place.

Welp, I want to thank you Canadians for singing the American National Athem first at the Busch Race in Montreal this past Saturday and offer an apology, as I was in the fridge digging for a cold Miller when the Lil Gal sang the Canadian National Athem.

If it's any consolation later in the evening I did mix some Canadian Dry with my Crown, but you have to understand the carbon footprints put down by delivering such luxuries to N. Louisiana.

Oh yea, I also went to The Ball Bounces and yep, it seems Richard Ball is Conservative and Christian, no problem there, if it's a choice between a Christian Conservative and a Bleeding Heart Liberal Socialist Puppet Trumpet Lying Scumbag Journalist I'll take the ChrisCon anytime.
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Yet another example of msm open contempt for the right. Yet you need more proof?

Reid, with due respect, you really think, "every [media] man & woman of them would feel shame"?

These people don't know the meaning of the word.

It's kind of funny when someone cuts himself off at the ankles when attempting to slice someone else. I'm referring to Jeff Davidson, who delivers, as if it's a coup de grace, this line: "There's no link to post, simply the 2nd hand version..." etc.

In other words, nothing exists unless it comes from the traditional media. If you can't link to Gloria Galloway or Jane Taber or Keith Boag, then what you're describing couldn't possibly have occurred.

This "where's the link" sneer is more than just unintentionally revealing; delivering such pearls in a didactic tone is hilarious in a way than Jeff D. will ever be able to understand -- otherwise he wouldn't have delivered such a pearl as an "aha!" in the first place.

Tough to live that one down, Jeff D.

Reid, with due respect, you really think, "every [media] man & woman of them would feel shame"?

These people don't know the meaning of the word.

Posted by: lookout at August 7, 2007 2:26 PM

Actually yes. While they don't feel shame when at home, alone, looking in the mirror. They do feel shame when publicly outed.

The problem is we as society don't publicly shame people any more.

For example. I don't know where you live, but in Vancouver drivers have a bad habit of not letting you merge in when you have your turn signal on. Consequently, just about every driver in the Lower Mainland changes lanes without signalling. I have found it very effective to look over and make eye contact with the driver and smile when I'm beside them trying to merge. About 99% of the time this works and the person lets me in. Because I've just made it personal.

Re: National anthems et al. A lot of times when I am at an event I am with camera in hand so I have been known to save the ears of those beside me by not singing and concentrate on picture taking, but I always stand and doff the hat. It is a matter of respect.

BTW, I watched the Montreal Busch Race on the tube and have to say that whoever sang the anthems managed to mangle both. When will these singers give up trying to add their own version of a standard? Even the wife from the other room asked "What in G*d's name was that?"

BTW Part deux, I must be old because I can only remember the words to the old Oh Canader and in english.

I think people don't sing O Canada, because they think that they do not remember the words, so here they are in all their very short glory.....

O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North, strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free !
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

"The problem is we as society don't publicly shame people any more." by Reid

Unfortunately, this statement is not entirely true, because the Left is always trying to shame people ......that's why they keep telling us we are all bigots or racists, and the list goes on and on. The problem is society doesn't publicly shame everyone who is politically correct, then we might be getting some place.

Kate, Bless you, i used jeff's link to richard ball and found him a stand up guy, thanks for jabbing jerk jeff to one useful activity!

"O Canada" was originally composed in French before being translated to English.

I'm sure that you're right about the words. The music, however, bears rather a strong resemblance to the curtain-raising music for the second act of Die Zauberflote (The Magic Flute), which is, of course, sung in German.

devil's advocate here....
i have'nt seen any suggestion that there may have been a american reporter in the group covering the event. perhaps mr. ball or someone could clarify that. just asking.

"Oh Canada" was never "translated" into English. The French lyric has nothing to do with the English.

Phantom,

I prefer to hold ALL partisan accusations to the same onus of proof,be they made by a lefty,righty,uppy or downy.Seems a sensible and fair-minded approach in today's world.It shouldn't be hard to verify as it happened in a room full of people.

You don't seem to have much tolerance for any POV's other than your own,do you?

Btw,I came across a sweet used car you may be interested in.The owner says it's mechanically perfect.

What....you say you want to have it inspected first,just to be safe?

Don't be stupid,the owner is a loyal conservative so NO inspection is neccessary!

"Logic isn't really important to photographers at least."

Ouch. That was both unwarranted and inaccurate. I'm a long time conservative AND a 'Master of Photographic Arts', a student of history and hopefully very logical.

Having looked at Jeff's body of 'work' it looks much like his debating style: amateurish, puerile and unsophisticated.

Sadly, photography is one of those professions where literally anyone can advertise themselves as a photographer regardless of ability, talent or ethics. When was the last time you heard someone describe themselves as a 'professional' lawyer? Or a 'professional' plumber, for that matter.

It seems that journalists, like photographers, often expropriate the title without any sense of responsibility for upholding the professional ethics of the job.

Liberals here in america want to replace the STAR SPANGLED BANNER with some stupid dope inspired song like THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

OK, here's something completely different.

The MSM, in theory, is an impartial observer which reports facts in an objective manner.

In a sports arena, for example, the sports reporter must show his objectivity by not cheering for either the team he covers or its opponent.

That same principle should also apply for political reporters, who in theory are there to inform the public.

But, when a member of the MSM takes sides, what does that do to his/her objectivity and, as a consequence, credibility?

I believe the MSM has destroyed its credibility by blatantly taking sides.

It's OK to express opinions, of course, and since reporters are also purportedly human, those opinions creep into their dispatches.

As long as we understand where they're coming from, that's OK.

I do not attribute any particualar exceptional wisdom to these fellow human beings who demonstrate their weaknesses for all to see every day.

Jeff, I wouldn't take anything Kool-aid-Kate says too serious. Her and her club of whiners and complainers are nothing more then a car wreak distraction.

"Oh Canada" was never "translated" into English. The French lyric has nothing to do with the English.

Posted by: ebt at August 7, 2007 3:22 PM

That's actually wrong. The original French lyrics WERE translated into English in 1906. Then they were REWRITTEN in 1908 and again altered in 1968. While the French lyrics have never been changed. Hence the modern day difference between the English and French versions.

I am a proud citizen of both Canada and Australia.

I stand with respect and pride when either national anthem is played.

I am probably the wost singer on the face of the planet, but I shout out the lyrics with enthusiasm and love for both my native and my adopted country.

As a resident of Quebec, I start the CanAnth in French. You don't have to speak French to appreciate the contribution to Canada of QC as a whole.

C'mon down. You'll love it!! (but get out of Montreal - bilingual and boring)

An example of how useless is the CBC Newsworld team. They reported at 5am PDT about foot and mouth outbreak in UK. They showed the second outbreak to be in Suffolk yet they said it was within a few kilometres of first outbreak. Well to get from Surrey to Suffolk you have to cross London and the county of Essex. The map highlighted Suffolk. Don't they have anybody proof reading.

Jeff, I wouldn't take anything Kool-aid-Kate says too serious. Her and her club of whiners and complainers are nothing more then a car wreak distraction.

Well, I don't know about all that, but, I do have access to a spell-checker.
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having looked at Jeff's body of 'work' it looks much like his debating style: amateurish, puerile and unsophisticated.

i prefer to call it authentic, timeless and lacking pretension. surprisingly, many of kate's readers have offered similiar criticisms of my work in the past.

it's astounding how many of her readers have masters of photography degrees.

Silicon Valley Jim wrote --

I'm sure that you're right about the words. The music, however, bears rather a strong resemblance to the curtain-raising music for the second act of Die Zauberflote (The Magic Flute), which is, of course, sung in German.

That is just too funny! This page --

http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/magflute/mfmain.htm

-- links to a couple of MIDI files. Check out Item 9: March of the Priests.

Hey Jus ad bellum (Latin for dipshit who can't spell), translate this: Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.

Surely there must be video of this event. Now I would pay to see that!

Unknown source:

http://www.turningnewsintoknowledge.com/2007/08/02/extra-extra-the-media-becomes-the-news/

Travers yelling something about gulags after the RCMP evict the press.

Toronto Star:

"MPs and senators belted out the national anthem, and the prime minister welcomed former Liberal MP Joe Comuzzi into the Tory fold before media were ushered off the property."

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/242640

Belted?

"Jeff, I wouldn't take anything Kool-aid-Kate says too serious."

Ever notice how uncreative these bottom feeders are?

It might take a couple of years, but without reference, let alone relevance, they attempt to flip derogatory but fitting insults, correctly describing their variety of intellect, back at you. Even without modification.

They seem to be gradually working their way through - Kool-aid drinkers, tin foil hat brigade, moonbats, asshats, pond life, leftards, etc.

What was the most recent ridiculous rendering I read? Rightists!

Just goes to prove the obvious - they are devoid of original, rational thought, even when it comes to insightful and creative insults.

A member of the media acted inappropriately when they were finally allowed access to the men who're running our country - after being kicked from the lobby of the Delta in Charlottetown by the RCMP (who, by the by were acting on orders from the PMO). The Star Spangled Banner was uncalled for, not even clever as Jeff suggests, unprofessional even. But if half of you knew the circumstances involved, I'm sure you wouldn't be jumping on the knee-jerk "MSM"-hate bandwagon most of the right seems revel in. Or maybe you would, I don't know.

"But if half of you knew the circumstances involved, I'm sure you wouldn't be jumping on the knee-jerk "MSM"-hate bandwagon most of the right seems revel in. Or maybe you would, I don't know."

So, fill us in Sean.

"devil's advocate here....
i have'nt seen any suggestion that there may have been a american reporter in the group covering the event. perhaps mr. ball or someone could clarify that. just asking."

It was the action of someone making a joke, not singing her national anthem.

Yeah "Sean", what's the TRUE story? As a Liberal with a story about the Conservatives how can you possibly keep it to yourself?
We await the facts............

Jeff - as a photographer, you're not too shabby at all. Some of your work is sufficiently good, that if you were to speak on photography-related subjects, I would listen attentively and with some deference. Or, at least I would have if you had not already ruined your reputation by your conduct at sda.

Of course, I’m always willing to consider fresh evidence to the contrary...

Speaking as a rank outsider, I think "O Canada" makes more sense than "The Maple Leaf Forever". Queenston Heights and Lundy's Lane were not so much Canadian battles as they were British. Why not "God Save the, er, Monarch"?

Recenly, I was surprised to discover that at the time I had learned to play it in high school band, "O Canada" was not actually the national anthem. Also surprising are the lengths to which some people will go, by alternating French and English lines, to avoid contamination by that God thing.

Could jeff be archie?

The silly cow probably was one of those alienated Americans who migrated north to escape George W. Bush and forgot what country she was in.

richard ball...
thanx for the clarification.

I'd express my contempt for the media but Kate won't let me cuss!

it's astounding how many of her readers have masters of photography degrees.

jeff, you've already established that only news originating from the MSM is valid, stop before you publically shave more off of your IQ. Credentials, of the paltry collegiate kind, count for squat in the Arts. Most of the greats and contemporary good artists, writers, photographers, musicians, actors aren't products of the degree system.

I looked at your stuff. It's ok, not bad, but, there are many amateurs on flickr.com that could kick your ass to the curb. Digital cameras and great amateur photo galleries are mainstream.

I guess what I'm saying is that your masters degree counts for nothing where talent in the arts is concerned.

You've proved a bore all day now, I'd quit while you are ahead.

So any word yet on who the ignorant slag was who did the disrespectful deed??

Some people get a real job, the losers become journalists. End of story.

Is there a fund where we can chip in some bucks to send the lot of them (with a few exceptions) to Waziristan for a new reality show called "Let's see how long I last in the real world"?

just to clarify, i DO NOT have a masters degree in photography. i was referring to the numerous readers here who do.

and yes, i care deeply what kate's readers think of my work. especially penny ; )

big kiss darling.

Maybe this left-wing journalist actually doesn't know the words to the Canadian national anthem.

I have a friend who is a reporter, who I hold in very high esteem. He confided in me that the Parliamentary Press Gallery is overtly liberal. I am sure I am not telling any secrets, but for those that don't believe it - from his lips to my ears.

There is an extremely good reason why PMSH doesn't deal with the Press Gallery and everyone knows it. You just cannot discuss it in polite company or in the company of reporters because their fictional behaviour of being ethical or seeking the truth flies out the window.

They (the MSM) believe their own stories.

They have lost the ability to think critically.

They have failed us.

"All the professors, in all the universities in Canada are either liberal or communists, so what do we expect when their little trained stooges plop out of their molds and hold the same contemptible biases against conservatism as their masters.

Posted by: Joanne at August 7, 2007 12:32 PM"

Where the hell did that come from and why does the right have such contempt for an education and knowledge?

Amazing

Jus ad bellum / jeff davidson
Keep up the good work

I STILL LIKE CONRAD BLACKS DESCRIPTION OF MEDIA TYPES, LOWLIFE. I WOULD SOONER BE IN HIS SHOES AS A CONVICTED FELON [IF IT STICKS] THAN BE AN MSN MEDIA TYPE.

I have a theory; she was attempting to overwhelm the presumably afflictive strains of Oh Canada to endear herself to the conservative rabble. Perhaps score a recherché interview with the diffident P.M.

I will say that there was never a group so assiduous in pursuing our national interest.
Signed,
United States

EBD wrote:

"On a bitterly cold day during the last federal election campaign a friend and I were standing in the hangar at the Edmonton Aviation Museum waiting to see Stephen Harper speak. One woman, out of the perhaps one thousand people in attendance, was trying to create a stir -- something about her daughter being abused in foster care, or something like that anyway.

Her personal situation had absolutely nothing to do with the federal election"

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I am not disagreeing with the point you were making about the media - but you should get your facts straight.

That woman's pregnant daughter had been murdered. That woman had been fighting the system so the person charged would be charged with murdering two people - she was getting ignored by all parties since they were afraid that if they took a position of the rights of the unborn - their party's stance on abortion would be next.

Considering that if a six month pregnant woman gets killed in a car accident, they save the baby since it has rights. But when this woman lost her future grandchild to a murderer, that baby did not exist.

Sure seems like her personal situation had everything to do with the federal election - this issue continues to be ignored by all federal politicians....

In the past, one of the best things about Canada was that we weren't patriotic. We loved Canada but we weren't patriotic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patriotic

adjective
inspired by love for your country [ant: disloyal]

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

I wonder if the press was invited to the Liberals Adscam meetings.

"Where the hell did that come from and why does the right have such contempt for an education and knowledge?

Amazing" Posted by: albatros39a

Actually I was referring to the professors of journalists since that was the topic. I don't believe all professors of all studies are liberal and communists, but there are still alot. It is funny how you decide to label the right as all having contempt for education and knowledge. Typical.

Who said anything about contempt for an education and knowledge; I'm educated and continue to pursue knowledge and hope to all my life. I really wonder about the reading comprehension of some; how you get that I have contempt for education and knowledge instead of contempt for liberal and communist professors is beyond me.

I honour knowledge.

However, the public education systems of this country have succumbed to magical thinking and dumbing down on everything from knowledge--children should be free to "discover their own truth" (our Supreme Court has the same creed for Canadians, BTW)--to discipline--what's THAT?

So, for Canadian public education, I can muster almost no respect.

There is no religion in the public school systems except for anti-tradition, under the guise of multiculturalism, and Gaia worship, under the guise of "Eco[logical] Schools.

Some equality that!

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that no one in history had ever translated the French to "Oh Canada". Hell, I've translated it myself. But the English lyric that we have is not a translation, nor a "change" to a translation. It's a completely different and totally unconnected piece of wrting.

I don't know Joanne, you said "All the professors, in all the universities in Canada are either liberal or communists". That’s a pretty clear statement, and I don't see anywhere in your statement where you are referring to anything about "professors of journalists" (Or should that be professors of journalism Joanne?). It may be the topic but "All the professors, in all the universities in Canada are either liberal or communists" does not relate to the topic at all, now does it?
You may wish to make sure you writing abilities are up to par, so we can use our reading comprehension skills to understand WTF and understand the thoughts you are trying to convey.
You also said, “Who said anything about contempt for an education and knowledge; I'm educated and continue to pursue knowledge and hope to all my life.” Now I’m not too sure that taking a flower arranging class or two and maybe a scrap-booking course would be considered the pursuit of knowledge. I guess Joanne you didn’t see the posts a few days ago regarding the retirement Saskatoon-Biggar-Rosetown MP and Minister of National Revenue Carol Skelton. I questioned Harper’s leadership when I asked how a person could be the Minister of anything without holding a degree or proof of some sort of training relevant to the position she holds. One of your fellow cons stated-
“I don't think Warren Buffet or Bill Gates have degrees. Either one of them could be a cabinet minister don't you think?”
I don’t think she’s either one of those people and she certainly hasn’t amassed a billion dollars to prove her ability to run a department in the government.
Another one wrote-
“Leave it to alby to muddy the waters on this with "gotta have a degree" crap. Even if I have a piece of paper hanging on my wall, it is really no substitute for CDF or common sense.”
Now that really sounds like someone who has disdain for education, doesn’t it?
My favourite
“I'm a university professor and from experience of other university professors - having a degree means nothing, absolutely nothing, in terms of the ability to think, to be logical, to be unbiased, to be critical, to be fair and even, to have a knowledge of history, of geography etc etc”
A degree means nothing? With an attitude like that somehow I don’t think the person who wrote this has never seen the inside of a community college, let alone educated himself to the level sufficient enough to earn a living as a university professor.
You see Joanne, it’s not just you who feel this way. You are amongst the ranks of many cons who have openly shown contempt of knowledge or an education. It goes back over a thousand years to the dark ages Joanne, to the time when the clergy and upper class discouraged reading, because they knew if educated the masses get the wrong ideas. There are many here who think the way you do Joanne.

Excuse me albatros39a, but I read the post first, and then respond to it, maybe you should give it a try.

Who is showing contempt for knowledge and/or education? I'm showing contempt for the liberal and/or communist professors that churn out their dim-witted clones into the media arena. Grab a clue and ride it.

You must be from the left because you get yourself all in a knot trying to twist my words. You are a maroon, and yes, it is spelt incorrectly.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but I know many people with university educations that are dumber than a ton of bricks, but hey you go right on thinking with that closed, chauvinistic mind that that just can't be so. Wah, wah!!!! I feel your pain.....NOT!!!

Liberalis invocus imperialis sine excludo.

(One of these days, I should read up on the Dark Ages. I've already found out in those thick books I tend to read that there was a proto-Industrial Revolution in the Late Middle Ages. Unfortunately for me, I'd have to plow through a lot of Roman history, as those Dark Ages didn't spring out of nowhere.)

Gordon, I didn't present my semi-recollection of the incidental details as "fact" -- that's why I said "...or something like that."
If someone says "yadda-yadda," or "that kind of thing," or "something like that" it's not exactly an assertion of factual veracity so your admonition to "get (my) facts straight" is a bit of a reach. And as you noted -- thank you -- the specific details of her complaint wasn't the point of my comment anyway.

I certainly did not mean to suggest that her daughter's murder at the hands of her husband/boyfriend wasn't a tragedy, just that a) her personal problems shouldn't have forced a thousand people -- or something like that :>) -- many of them elderly, to stand around in a cold hangar for over an hour waiting for Mr. Harper's scheduled appearance, and b) the media's coverage of her supposed mistreatment didn't give with what I witnessed with my own eyes.

You're right that sentencing issues, including those regarded the murderers of pregnant women, are relevant to federal politics. So are a whole host of other issues, though -- maybe thousands? -- and the point is, if I showed up at a Dion campaign rally complaining about Adscam, say, I doubt that it would cause Dion's appearance to be delayed by over an hour while his people listened to and attempted to placate me. And if his people did that, I don't think the media would have treated my complaints about other attendees being rude to me or pushing down my placard as being as newsworthy as the campaign stop itself.

I am sorry about what her daughter's husband/boyfriend did to her. The circumstances do not, however, land appropriately in the lap of a campaigning Stephen Harper who was, after all, not the prime minister at the time.

Those who might be interested in the earlier versions of "O Canada" can explore here:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/4/4/m2-9002o-e.html
and the "Maple Leaf Forever" here:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/4/4/m2-9002m-e.html

Cheers

EBD wrote:

"just that a) her personal problems shouldn't have forced a thousand people -- or something like that :>) -- many of them elderly, to stand around in a cold hangar for over an hour waiting for Mr. Harper's scheduled appearance, and b) the media's coverage of her supposed mistreatment didn't give with what I witnessed with my own eyes."

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We are on the same page with your statement. I was one of the volunteers freezing my butt off outside "for the extra hour" - I shook my head at the media coverage on the incident since my friends who witnessed it said the woman went ballistic to attract the media.

Just wanted to clarify the facts of the situation so if you ever bring it up in the future, you do not get dismissed because you did not know why the woman was protesting...... :-)