I'm shocked shocked!

30 years from now I wonder which Bush will be voted the worst American ever.

I'd rather be Icarus than a do nothing nobody!

Finally, getting his JUST reward! Problem is we are going to be dealing with the results of his handy work for years to come.

I'm shocked too!! Shocked the idiot McKenzie King is not on that list. He deserved top billing with PET. Our education system is to blame, IMO.

Wow, I mean wow. A real pigs flying moment.

"Not surprisingly, our history panel's list provides a more considered
and measured response. They have a deeper perspective of time itself, as well
as the restraint of the discipline in assigning cause and impact to certain
people and events," explained Deborah Morrison, president and chief executive
officer of Canada's National History Society and publisher of the magazine.
"But the survey also provided a rare opportunity to engage the broader public
in developing some of that historical perspective. The project is successful
for the many conversations it has started around kitchen tables, water
coolers, and elsewhere."

Kool-aid addict...

A heartwarming moment in Canadian publishing!

I think I'll buy a subscription!!

Stephen HARPER!? Did the Toronto Star solicit votes?

IMO, our intelligent, principled PM is by far the best thing to happen on the Canadian political scene in a very long time.

Well, at least Pierre Trudeau came in first. His Charter, the fountain of so many present-day ills in this country, is an albatross around the collective Canadian neck. The Charter's only saving grace is the notwithstanding clause, which the Liberals and MSM have cast as Canada's Professor Moriarty: what malevolent dolts. Canadians need to wake up and realize that the notwithstanding clause is our only way back from the democratic-deficit desert in which we are now floundering. (Sorry about the mixed metaphor!)

I'm going to get my copy of The Beaver today!

I'm also going to keep an eye on the MSM response. How will they spin this?

Trudeaumania ---- I remember it well.

The media gave wall to wall coverage of PET --- kissing the young girls, a "free-spirit" punk wearing a Nazi helmet, Canadian gov'ts have no place in the bedrooms of the nation (will be in every other room in the house though.)

A "new-era" for a young country.

Lotsa coverage > call it Trudeaumania > then more coverage > call it more mania > only Pierre can "save" the confederation > please save us with a reward-failure, punish-success ideology > repeat >

Perhaps the phrase "love of money is the root of all evil", should be changed to "the media is the root of all evil". A fearmongering evil.

Damn! How did I miss that poll. I certainly would have piled on that choice. Yes indeed, a fine moment in Canadian publishing.

Yeah, he's obviously worse than the serial murderer Pickton, or hockey crook Alan Eagleson.

he has certainly cost us more than either Pickton, Eagleson, or even Clifford Olson.

Rot liberals, your god is a dead lefty who totally missed the biggest trend in the last century, and picked communism.

50 /50 chance of getting it right, and this shallow jew hating fwench lawyer elite bet against freedom.

You're welcome!

And still the perpetually deluded rise to defend Trudeau!!

"Maulice Stlong",... never heard of him, Lord Beaver Brook" though, WTF?

Turdeau was bad, but his fart catcher, Jean Poutine Cretin should at least get honourable mention.

Those were the days that a Canadian version of Lee Harvey Oswald would have done our troubled country a world of good.

The mark of the worst Canadian politician can be measured by the amount of true dough his policies have cost successive generations.

Who was that at #6?

Trudeau is OK.

Canadians elected him several times - probably because he was the best of the bunch - at that time.

I saw Trudeau speak at the Hamilton Armory on James Street a long time ago - my Dad lifted me onto his shoulders so that I could see him - he was very impressive and came across as very honest and passionate about what he wanted to do.

He was special - we should appreciate that - he was our Prime Minister for God's sake - quite with the bellyacking and move on - understand that time period and where we were as a nation at that time.

Who cares about some silly polls designed to make a few bucks and make a bunch of revisionists sleep happy. Very few of us have the guts to make a difference and drive to the top of Canadian or American politics - and make it - he did - and if he (or we) made mistakes back then - let's fix them now and quite complaining about the past.

I agree with lookout. It's nice to see Trudeau in first place, but the inclusion of Stephen Harper sort of robs this entire experiment of credibility.

I was shocked to see Sir John MacDonald on the list compiled by the panel of historians. I can't imagine a unified Canada without him.

Headline today in Saskatoon Star Phoenix:

"Rock star" ex-PM Trudeau is worst Canadian: poll
Reuters Published: Monday, July 30, 2007

And the "beat goes on" with junior rockers Justin and Sacha!!

cal2, if cost is your criteria, then watch out for what Harper is going to cost Canadians down the road by dragging his feat on environmental reforms. He's putting all of his effort into ensuring the Alberta economy excels today, with no thought at all to the near future in 10 years.

"Trudeau is OK."

At feeding worms.

Oh, that'll learn'me to not proof read a post. Feat = feet, not 'feature'. Although Harper is dragging his feet regarding features of his platform.

It might stick in the mag's craw to do this but:

They should turn the cover into a full sized poster and either sell it or give it away as a subscription premium.

Now that I have seen the entire list and where each person is positioned, I am APPALLED. I do not believe that Brian Mulroney was among Canada's best prime ministers, but I also do not believe he deserves to be ranked as worse than Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.

Similarly, I would love to see Stephen Harper and his government act more like conservatives than they currently do, but why he is on this list at all -- let alone right behind Bernardo and Homolka -- is beyond me.

IMO, cconn's ignorant, shallow musings add nothing of substance to this thread.

"[Q]uite [sic] complaining about the past"? It's those who know nothing about history--that IS the past, cconn--who are doomed to repeat it.

cconn, please read my earlier comment about the Charter. And then respond in an intelligent manner, if you can. If you disagree with me, please explain how living in an oligarchy is better than living in a democracy, especially when the country one lives in--Canada--both boasts of being and advertises itself as a democracy.

Of course, if cconn's a L(l)iberal, false advertising's the way things are done. ("Problem? I don't see any problem.")

the lunatic fringe try and change history by manipulating online polls...again. yawn.

funny how time grants perspective to the great collectivity! The poll was a good choice but i'd still hold out for the dippy spiritist mother lover canada's only native king! Pet was irretrievably economically(his looming debt legacy) and ideologically stupid (witness the castro love affair) but his one gift was the war measures act bravely instituted at exactly the right time so sigh that overbalances the remaining mess he left(oops no pun).

What I find most annoying about that Reuters article is this quote:

Morrison said she was initially surprised that Trudeau topped the poll, but realized he was an obvious target for Canadians, whom she said had little knowledge of their country's short history.

"He in many ways became the inevitable choice, because for a lot of Canadians, he is the history figure they know," Morrison said.

The way Morrison poo-poos the people who voted for Trudeau as being too ignorant to truly appreciate his greatness.

Amazing how those on the ridiculous-right have nothing better to do than freep the internet polls. Rather than spending your time freeping, why not try to open a book (and your minds) for a change.

Responsible and relevant journalism doesn't put public servants and entertainers on a top ten list with murderers. Celine Dion worse than Clifford Olson? Nothing more than a sick and cheap attempt at humor.

The list does nothing but show the cruel streak within the media and its' addiction to the ignorant use of statistics. Anything to sell a rag.

Just like the you've-got-to-be-kidding left opens its mind, albatross?

Amazing how the irrelevant Left have nothing better to do than defend the stupid SOB that destroyed our military. Right now, today, our soldiers are reaping what Trudeau sowed 'way back when I was a teen in the militia.

I figure Mr. Trudeau got more guys killed than Clifford Olson ever dreamed of, just from equipment failure alone.

Chew on that Albatross, you ignorant teenager.

Hmmm...I guess there is a God.

Yes Caveman the left does open their minds to new ideas. That's where those things come from that the right can't seem to comprehend. Things like legalizing pot, gay marriage, abortions rights and worst of all for the right, tolerance of others who are non-white and/or non-christian.
That’s what made Trudeau great, he could open his mind to new ideas.
The point that many seem to miss on this poll is Harper, even after all the right-wing freeping came in 6th most disliked, even with Mulroney on the list.

"Amazing how the irrelevant Left have nothing better to do than defend the stupid SOB that destroyed our military. Right now, today, our soldiers are reaping what Trudeau sowed 'way back when I was a teen in the militia"

Actually you should study up on the equipment Trudeau did purchase for the military and compare it with what the Mulroney government did. The fact is the PC sold off more equipment and closed more bases than any other government since the end of the Second World War. Then after selling it all off left Canada in a financial mess that the Liberals had to clean up. That's why the military is now only today getting new equipment.
Let's not forget it was Trudeau's government who purchased the F-18's the Auroras and the Leopard tanks, the destroyers the Boeing 707s etc.

Have to totally disagree with this. Turdeau was not the worst. The commie leftards who kept voting him in,even after he gave us the finger,are the real problem.Ummmmm...wonder how they ever missed going to that Paradise called Cuba? Oh darn. I forgot.Canada is the commie state trying to advance that evil called freedom and democracy.

Behold, history is made of rubber! It can be bent in any direction.

I lived through the Turd-eu years Albatross. I was IN the military while he was busy gutting it, and got the hell out ASAP.

Where were you?

John B. - I'm also sorry I missed this poll.

Like others, I think that Mo Strong should be #2 and Harper/Black should not be there at all

Is the left trying to tell us that they believe only SDAers participated in this poll?

Just because our sentiments were vindicated?

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/006123.html

"Where were you?"
In uniform, in Trenton and Comox.
I stuck it out even during the Mulroney years of raping the military for everything they could.

It is a clever promotional stunt. As "worst Canadian" is not very well defined it was bound to be controversial. The number of elected officials in the top 10 suggests to me that the average Canadian voter should top the list.

O yes,Trudeau had a passion.He wanted an American style government without the checks of an elected senate and supreme court.That way his govt. could have the appearance of a democracy but be a dictatorship which he much admired.He stated that the Soviets had much that we could emulate and was a friend of tyrants the world over.

The poll had catagories (I participated and voted for PET as the worst PM) but did not post the 'winner' from EACH catigory which explains why murderers are listed with entertainers. The Beaver 'Oh so humble' historical staff should have expained this - maybe they will in their magazine. They must have tabulated the results on simple numbers: I did not vote in the bad entertainer catagory but I did vote in the bad PM catagorie, some people did the opposite of myself. It was, therefore, by a huge margin, that the PET won the most hated Canadian; he was the most hated from all catagories. MSM will need some good spiders to spin this result.

Y'know, that'd make a hell of a t-shirt: right, Ezra?

BTW, if anybody's driving down Front Street in Toronto this afternoon, you might want to swing by the CBC bunker and see how many ex-Trudeaumaniacs have thrown themselves off the roof. They're the old ones with the hippie hair and Expo '67 t-shirts.

MSM will say it's horribly flawed.

"... the left does open their minds to new ideas."

Whereas the right opens their minds to GOOD ideas. I suppose in 10-20 years time you'll support legislation to ban SSM because it's a "new" idea.

"...tolerance of others who are non-white and/or non-christian."

People who talk about "tolerance" - god I hate that word, it should be banished from the language - are generally the least tolerant.

I will be willing to say that Trudeau was an excellent salesman and he certainly had a vision, unfortunately for us he succeeded in shoving that vision down our throats.

Saskboy

Alberta has the right to handle it's resources the way it wants, the Federal government has little say over the handling of resources within a Province. Also it was the Liberals that did nothing but talk as far dealing with the environmental reforms for the last decade.

albatros39a
Actually most immigrants views fit closer with the CPC views than the left's. The Liberals have tried using the “big bad CPC” to scare them to vote for them, but that will shortly come to an end. Your post also seems to indicate that you believe the myth that only white people are racist, you need to get out more, all races suffer from racism. Also your posts about people that do not share your views are quite derogatory and would be considered a form of discrimination going by the rules of my workplace.

Huh, now a few online rightwingers have skewed the results in a poll that asked you to vote multiple times?

Buggo, alby, saskboy, all spitting mad... I guess they can't stand it that their personal hero is getting examined without the rose-coloured glasses. Poor kids. Soon someone will them that socialised medicine is a dead religion, too, and then you'll see them flip out for good.

...and to think women actually found that guy sexy - major Yuk!!!

on a related topic - I believe it is also time sensitive.

Like Father, like son

A web poll that might go horribly wrong . . .

http://rm.angusreidforum.com/?cid=1926&rs=TVEnGG

If you were in uniform Albatross there's even less excuse for your Leftardation than usual.

Thanks, Fred!!

This must have been a GTA poll, there's not enough liberals at the top. Also no Robert Picton? AND who is Chris Hannah? Not enough room to correct Albatross.

Yukon, calling PET a hero of mine, is stretching beyond any sense. Just because I don't think he's the worst Canadian doesn't put him at the top of my list. There are more than 2 noteworthy Canadians after all.

albatros39a wants us to "...try to open a book (and your minds) for a change"

I do keep trying that, but it's a slow process, and I seem unable to develop the contemporary mindset - no "willing suspension of disbelief". Almost invariably, after stopping to think and cross-reference, I find the emperor has been skinny-dipping while drunk again.

Reading is no substitute for thinking.

Finally the recognition he deserves.
:)

Anti European Immigration, no death penalty, bilingualizm, multiculturalism, NEP, Affirmative Action, Deficits for Decades, Destroying the RCAF, RCN, and Canadian Army, a racist charter, high taxes, lower dollar,....

ie whats to like

Death to Trudeaupia!

Again with birdie’s new ideas and open minds…

“Things like legalizing pot, gay marriage, abortions (sic) rights and worst of all for the right, tolerance of others who are non-white and/or non-christian (sic).”

Regarding your first three illustrations: you have failed to demonstrate their benefits. Oh, it’s merely about freedom, choice and independence?* That reasoning is an antitautology and is the mark of the mentally inept.

As for #4: ad hominem! The slur appears to stick only because most people will do everything they can to avoid confrontation. This emotional terrorism has also been aided by the morally-deficient redefinition of tolerance as ‘agreement within the framework of relativism.’

*anticipating the usual argument…

Trudeau is easily the worst Canadian of all times. It's good that a Canadian history magazine recognizes and publicizes this obvious fact, and even better that ol' PET is no doubt bunking with Marx, Lenin and Stalin in the hottest part of Hades.

I agree -- the inclusion of Harper in this poll destroys some of its credibility. It is, surely, a bit premature to be judging Harper on his "legacy". And using things like what "Harper is going to cost Canadians down the road" to defend the choice is ludicrous.

"...try to open a book (and your minds) for a change"

You'll be glad to hear alba that this knuckle dragger is almost done reading Atlas Shrugged sorry I'm a slow study I should have read it years ago.

The only time I seen Trudeau was when I was kid he flew in for the opening of a fruit stand near the town where I lived. The family and their relatives where BIG liberal supporters all rural Dutch Catholics .... oh the irony. Before any Dutch Catholics get their knickers in a knot this was in Ontario so it should explain things.

Well, well, well. Smiles all around!

I NEVER did vote for Pierre Trudeau. My BS meter went over the top, even though I was only in my late teens when he first became PM. But, no good deed goes unpunished, and I've had to live with the fallout of his dastardly socialist policies for way too long.

Canada could be a great country. After 30 years of Trudopey-an/Utopian nonsense-made-law, we're not even a mediocre power--something Prime Minister Stephen Harper is turning around. Obviously, some trolls were hard at work voting at The Beaver to put him at #6.

So, I'm wondering why Jean-I'll-break-your-legs-or-at-the-very-least-strangle-you Cretin didn't make it onto the list?

Maybe it "the Librano$" had been a choice, they'd all have made #1.

pierre elliot twadles. the poster boy for silver spoon socialists. i got mine and i will keep yours, what joke the man was.

Even if you are so inclined to like Trudeau's policies,how can any Canadian ignore the fact he bankrupted,insulted or alienated millions of other Canadians?
That alone disqualifies him as being any kind of success.
Add in his socialist policies and it's no wonder millions of Canadians STILL consider him an absolute disaster.

As per Harper....he has really disappointed me on a few issues....but it is no more than partisan childishness to even consider him a contender.

Mark Steyn:

"So he renamed the Royal Mail "Canada Post." The notion that, while he was ordering up the new letterheads, he might also endeavour to improve the delivery of mail seems never to have occurred to him. Like many of his totalitarian friends, he disdained to be bound by such humdrum concepts as meaning and reality. If he declared the country bilingual, why then, it must be so."

"Trudeau's is, after all, an incredible accomplishment: No political leader of a long-established Western nation has ever succeeded so exhaustively in reinventing the state as a projection of his own identity. Political comparisons are useless. One thinks instead of Liberace, who once insisted that a young lover have his face reconstructed to look more like his own, because he wanted to gaze on himself during sex."

"Andrew Coyne went so far as to measure PET's decisive role in our history with that of Winston Churchill in 1940 — a comparison that only underlines our woeful triviality. If the defence of the West had rested with Trudeau in May 1940, I think we can all guess how the Second World War would have turned out. (In his memoirs, the young Trudeau sums up the great conflict of the century thus: "So there was a war. Tough.")"

"Trudeau did not unite the country, he exacerbated its divisions. He did not "put us on the map," he took us off it — and, if you doubt it, glance over the guest list for the funeral."

"Some of us are not yet ready to accept the national myth. Some of us think the four and a half centuries before 1968 are also relevant to modern Canada."

Well, thanks to that albatross fellow, we're beginning to see the Liberal reaction to the poll result: too many of the participants didn't vo-o-o-o-te the right way. (Snub variant in this case.)

Has anyone got a line on whether or not the disteengueeshed panel has told ordinary Canadians how we oughta think?

Some of us think the four and a half centuries before 1968 are also relevant to modern Canada."

You mean, like, our history?
Thanks for that, MM, nobody says it like da Steyn says it.
And he can make you laugh while doing it - another reason why he drives lefties insane.

@dean spencer-fox:

Back in a more settled time, a professional historian would be obliged to confine him- or herself to that time period, in order not to lose necessary perspective. As long as we're still living in "Trudeaupia," it'd be damned hard to write a truly judicious history of the man and his times. Until then, all we can realistically expect is bias or heuristic reinforcement.

This reinforcement takes place on all three sides of the question: pro-Trudeau, anti-Trudeau, and neutralist. The last side has a bias too, one that inclines its holder to underrate the [accomplishments of/damage done by] Prime Minister Trudeau.

Thoughtful commenters might want to visit the Montreal Gazette's website and check the daily poll. So far a misguided 80% are insisting that PET should not be on a list of worst Canadians

The thing that really pees me off is that somebody actually named a mountain in Western Canada after Trudeau.

I am absolutely positive that there are no small, ugly, pock-marked mountains in Western Canada.

OMMAG & Miss. Matt: You have both hit all the right keys for the way I feel about the poll. I did get to vote on the poll and was happy to see my No:1 of choice made it to the top. Really, who is Chris Matthews??? Mark Steyn did say it in the very best way,Trudeau likley did want Canada to have his ugly face and he made sure we got it.

Our local rag just ran an editorial on the Charter and referred to Trudeau as being 'revered'.

Fixed their misapprehension by e-mailing the 'Beaver' poll to them, suggesting they be a little more circumspect in their choice of adjectives. Let's see if they run the letter.

Some Apparatchiks must be flipping their COOKIES!!
Funny, that.

I remember having a discussion with a quiet thoughtful gentleman who taught school at Wawa,Ontario. He was from the Irish Republic. He said this of the then Prime Minister Trudeau.
"He has the intellect of a genius- and the mentality of an adolescent".
I sort of thought it was quite good, at the time.

There is a punctuation error on the magazine cover. The question mark is to be a period.

M Hawkins,
you noticed that too? A couple of other things: the name of the worst canadian isn't blaring across the front, nor, really, the face . . . just a silhouette that the average non-engaged canadian wouldn't recognize when strolling past the newspaper stand. If it had been Mulroney, i think the cover layout would've been different. Anyways, just nitpicking . . . its a good day.

Remember the t-shirt that made the rounds out west in the early 1980's? It read:

"Who Said Trudeau Would Never Lift a Finger for the West?"

Below it was picture of Trudeau doing exactly that.

@jlc:

It would be thoughtful yourself to realize that Pierre Trudeau is a "Montreal boy." If the Toronto Maple Leafs were voted "Canada's Worst Hockey Team" by a similar poll open to all Canadians, then there would be a similar upsurge of protest in any Toronto paper.

I myself might join it (but I'm veering in on the personal.)

Here's the Gazette homepage to access the still-running Trudeau poll:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/index.html
(And, yes, we're losing.)

Alby in uniform at Trenton and Comox
--which cadet corps were you with?

a paid holiday courtesy of the canadian taxpayer.

your boots are shining your putties are tight your bals are swinging from left to right. sound off , one two three four. three four.

Mugs at July 30, 2007 6:10 PM
"You'll be glad to hear alba that this knuckle dragger is almost done reading Atlas Shrugged sorry"
Actually the correct term for a conservative is “knuckle-walker”. Knuckle dragging is a higher evolutionary adaptation.

cal2 at July 30, 2007 11:57 PM
Sorry cal I never was a cadet. I never had time or the Hitler Youth thanks.

andycanuck at July 30, 2007 11:40 PM
(And, yes, we're losing.)

So is this con code for "let the freeping begin"?

Don't forget the metric system being forced on us.
The majority of cdns do not know that we never got to vote on any of these topics, and they were never mentioned in any election campaign, or speeches, or red book. Dictatorship at its finest, aka his hero Castro.

"Don't forget the metric system being forced on us."
Oh maryT move on at least to the twentieth century and get with the program.

I have thought long and deeply about this man, his place in history and the changes to Canada on his watch and realize that it is possible to make a carefully balanced statement that in no way slides into excessive over-exaggeration or uncalled-for insult.

There was never anything wrong with Pierre Trudeau that having him bronzed in 1967 and used as third-world harbour backfill would not have cured. His Charter isn't worth the dead sheep it's printed on, and someone ought to put a spittoon on his grave to save the grass. He should have been pasted one in the smush when he was a young punk riding about Jewish neighbourhoods with a Nazi helmet on, and one again for foisting Lalonde and Chretien on the West. He hated the Canada that was, and killed it, and made the country over in his own image: small-minded, petty, overbearing, condescending, arrogant, smug, corrosively anti-American, mistaken as to its own import on the world stage, socialist, passive in the face of danger and loud in the defense of the obviously wrong. With a wildly rocketing deficit to pay for it all.

I could go on. But he's dead now, and there is enough work for the rest of us in cleaning up his legacy to keep us going for several lifetimes. Ultimately, the man is just not worth a further thought .

""Don't forget the metric system being forced on us."
Oh maryT move on at least to the twentieth century and get with the program.

Posted by: albatros39a at July 31, 2007 12:51 AM "

Ummmmmm....think you mispelled that Alby. That should be pogram.Name me one country that went metric,outside of Canuckistan,during Mr.Trudeaus era.(Besides Fwannce)

Was Trudeau the worst thing to hit Canada? You bet he was. A joy to the socialists who kept him in power for most of his tenure – he instituted most of their demands and we are still paying for today. He did not have an original thought throughout his 15 years at the helm.

Trudeaumainia was a Liberal invention. Those girls were paid to run and kiss him. Watch any of Benjamin Brittan’s documentaries on Trudeau and you will see it was all manufactured by Senator Davis (the Rainmaker).

Trudeau chose Communism over the free market system; thus the problems with our Medicare system where initiative is stifled for the benefit of the few. Our national debt, which was started under his reign when Chretien was the finance minister, is still a burden on our shoulders. Unfortunately, Mulroney inherited it and then ballooned it to twice the amount before he left. Chretien (who has also never had an original idea in his 40 years at the trough) stopped the haemorrhaging by implementing the Harper/Manning plan for deficit reduction but with an accelerated pace.

In an effort to save his tarnished record Trudeau had to do something drastic. Something that could be used to hide all his failures as he rebuilt his persona as the saviour of Canada – for the country was never united and has not been since he arrived in the stage. Thus the Charter was imposed on us. A piece of trash legislation that changed the power structure in this country with so little debate that the sound was deafening.

After he “retired” - before being defeated for the second time – he started his campaign with the help of the Toronto centric media to change his image – the outdoorsman, who was at one with nature and one of us common folk. A long cry from the finger salutes.

At his death was the honorary pallbearer Castro - a beacon for all democratic loving peoples. A state funeral was held for a man unworthy of such honours. He was, after all, a legend in his own mind.

I could go on for hours about his many failures but it would make you cry and you would ask yourself how a man could have so many and still be in power so long. It’s our electoral system that saved his hide. He held on as long as he could to try and outlast Laurier but as usual failed at that.

Yes, his nomination as Canada’s worst Canadian is duly earned.

I wish you would all lay off Alby. He has served his country. He may not have been a big tuff infantryman, but flying into Sarajevo in the 90's was nothing to joke about.

Something the people on the sharp end of the stick seem to forget is that while they can fight back when attacked, as it is their job to so, the support elements still keep plugging away doing their job to support the war fighters even when they come under attack themselves.

That being said; just having an open mind is not all it takes. You have to apply reason and critical thinking to all these ideas that enter into it. Simple acceptance is a path to domination of yourself and your spirit. Don't just read books Alby. Think about what the say.

Great comments, T. Robert Wolfram and Fiumara! Too bad you weren't writing for the MSM back then, teaching in our schools, or running for office, yourselves.

Trudeau did a real Pied-Piper number on Canadians, and I'm only too happy to say that I never fell for it. What a bunch of lazy, sleepy-eyed dolts Canadians have been, falling for a brazen charlatan and not only making him Prime Minister too many times but deifying him as well. 'Some barometre for how far down the slippery slope to slovenly slop we've descended.

The guy had a roving eye, too. He looked me up and down at the National Arts Centre in Ottawa one night when I was young, lithe, and lovely, and it gave me great pleasure to give him a steely stare back.

Our children and grandchildren are going to be dealing with the fallout of Trudeaumania for years to come. What a lousy legacy we've left them.

'Sorry, guys. I've done my bit to try to stem the tide...

Obviously the metric system was a mistake. 80% of our exports are to those U.S.A. and likewise 65-70% of our imports are therefrom. I'd have preferred to keep Imperial measurements but if change was to be made then the reasoned direction would have been to Americanize (we had common distance and weight scales but different volume).

You people are hilarious. That bit about including Harper robbing the poll of credibility literally made me laugh out loud.

And the metric system? Seriously?

Wikipedia, let's see a map of all the countries that _haven't_ adopted the metric system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Metric_system.png

Interesting. Charles Taylor's stomping grounds, a military junta and the U.S.

I'm going to say it again (I'm still waiting to hear from cconn): without the use of the notwithstanding clause, where elected LEGISLATURES reclaim, from unelected judges, the laws they've duly passed—and the judges have struck down—Trudeau, via the Charter, has destroyed democracy in this country. THAT’S the main reason he’s the worst Canadian.

The Liberals and their lapdogs in the MSM have manufactured and promoted the big lie that the notwithstanding clause is un-Canadian and dangerous: in one of the last election debates, Martin even blurted out that he'd see this clause removed from the Charter. What a dolt: he had neither the jurisdiction nor the means to do this.

Canadians need to be re-educated: the notwithstanding clause is PART of the Charter (Section 33) and was put there for a purpose. That is, as part of the checks and balances a democracy needs to be sure that one sector—in this case, the non-elected judiciary—doesn't become too powerful. In fact, the provincial premiers, who made a backroom deal with Trudeau to give birth to this Frankenstein Monster, refused to go along until Section 33 was entrenched.

The notwithstanding clause is a linchpin in Canada's democracy and is there to be used: it's about time our politicians returned democracy to this country by doing so.

As Wolfman and Fiumara have pointed out, Trudeau's legacy to this country has been altogether destructive. Only impressionable types with juvenile, shallow minds, fixated on appearances, could be fooled by this arrogant poltroon.

One of the things this list of "bad" canadians does is reveal some things about the psyche of the average modern hoser:

1) "Progressive" public education (indoctrination) has erased 200 years of history in the average Kanukistani sheeps memory

2) Mostly politicians make the list...which displays that Canadians KNOW they have been governed by thugs, crooks and incompetents from the ruling class for generations....they just never thought it was worth getting agitated about.

From my limited knowledge of the military, anyone who served as an adult would have called the cadets "Boy Scouts," or a more specific term of disparagement such as "flyboy" for Air Cadets. There is no way that such a person would compare them with an enemy. FYI.

Obviously the metric system wasn't the worst of Trudeau but it is revealing of his distain for Canadian culture and his goverance by ideology.

The Imperial measurement system was our history (for centuries).

Why change to metric? Our main trading partner is those U.S.A. (80% of exports, 65-70% of imports) so if an economic justification was to be the reason for change it would have called for an Americanization of our Imperial scales (volumes and also the short ton). Also the United Kingdom didn't switch to metric until 1995 so that that trade would have also been considered (I'm sure others Commonwealth countries also). The reason was pure ideology. Enormous cost expended only to cause increased future cost in trading, with the only "benefit" being destruction of our history and alignment with entities other than our historical allies and trading partners.

liberal leaders, the precis version:

the hated Chinese head tax, a liberal invention.

makenzie king made decisions of national importance based on.... the zigzag movements of a ouji board.

pierre turdeau gave us official bilingualism which guaranteed a grossly disproportionate influence of quebecers whose mother tongue is french and must learn english to survive in the world, unless theyre a farmer in the hinterland, oblivious to anything past the 200 km perimeter.

pierre turdeau again who burdened us with the charter which has now been used hundreds of times in wacko judicial decisions to exempt and dismiss such things as the recent 50 kg cocaine border smuggling incident.

j cretin, who came up with adscam which was for me the absolute last final straw as far as anything lieberal is concerned. theyre using MY money to buy support from quebec and entrench themselves and it STILL didnt work, thats how bad their situation is.

I agree with M Hawkins, more prudent to wait for USA to go metric whenever they choose to, to maintain trade volume with ROTW (rest of the world), THEN go metric in unison. but turdeau was an imperious arrogant elitist who blugeoned anyone in cabinet who made a peep of disagreement. he was a bloody closet facist, a big fan for instance, of Mao whose history I am now reading up on and who was the worst murderous manipulative tyrant of the 20th century.

Man ... do I have the warm fuzzies.

Now can we have a poll on

- the worst bilingual system in Canada
- the worst metric system in Canada
- the worst multicultural system in Canada
- the worst justice system in Canada
- the worst educational system run by teachers unions in Canada

So many have said it all, but MHawkins has hit it in very few words - his disdain for Canadian culture, and, as Trudeau made obvious at every opportunity, his disdain for ordinary Canadians.
He was an egomaniac, most likely from birth. How he fooled so many people will never be answered. The MSM unintentionally revealed his immaturity at every opportunity (revealing their own immaturity at the same time)but the gullible never saw through it. And still don't.

I tried to attend Trudeau's funeral, but they wouldn't let me in with a hammer and a stake.

lookout, if one wanted to summarize Trudeau in one statement, yours pretty well does it:

"Trudeau, via the Charter, has destroyed democracy in this country. THAT’S the main reason he’s the worst Canadian."

Trudeau knew how to talk to people. He was a good communicator. My father moved to this country in 1972 from St Vincent a tiny island in the West Indies as a young man trying to better himself. When he first saw Trudeau he was in awe and thought highly of the man. On TV and the radio listening to him speak, Trudeau soudned right and honourable and correct. But his policies were not like his bloviations. Once my father felt the repression of the government's beaurocracies and how much harder it made his life he started to read. A lot. St Vincent was run by socialists who promised much but made themselves wealthy. It took years for my father to realize that Trudeau was of the same ilk. He was a complex man who was disastrous in some areas but gave crowds moments to cheer for and had some great moments as a leader. I will not denigrate a dead man who lead this country, but he is the reason my father hasn't voted for ANY liberals since the 70's. Trudeau's legacy to my family is never to trust Liberals.

Thanks for your comment, felis corpulentis. And part of the destruction is the almost complete breakdown of authority in this country in most of its institutions—check out your local public school—which is a direct result of the pernicious Charter.

"Equality": sounds nice. But it doesn't work when all manner of people, from the criminal to the uber responsible, from a child to a taxpaying citizen, are lumped together as “equal” and entitled to all kinds of rights. (One notices that only the rights, not the responsibilities, have been codified in the Charter.)

In fact, what's happened is that only the less responsible types, especially if the elites think that the GROUP they're from has been unfairly treated in the past, appear to benefit from the Charter. Our judges have even, in effect, told people from majority groups—the very ones who built this country—that the Charter is not for their use. (Schachtschneider case)

Via Trudeau's Charter, he's made a fool—and sometimes even mincemeat—of Canadians who value responsibility, freedom, and accountability.

Considering himself to be like God, Trudeau proceeded to make Canada in his own image. Poor us.

Trudeau's main aim was to clear away as much of our British connection as possible. He had designs to make Canada totally bilingual English/French. He pushed Multiculturalism as a cover to make it more palatable for the masses to accept. It's proven to be the worst disaster in the history of our country when coupled with his Charter Rights fiasco.
We risk losing so much of what made us a great country. He bloody well was, hands down the worst PM we ever had.

He had what Liberals strive for in a leader, flash and dash, never worry about the substance, just blow 'em away and grab votes.

Trudeau to me was not a good PM. He turned politics on its head with his Rousseauian (top-down approach). This came at a time when US and GB realized the folly of such an approach and cemented their top-down British approach.

Trudeau didn't understand or care about economics (so what if he went to London School of Economics, so did Bob Rae, and nowadays it's called the London School of Leftwing Economics). He lied to the electorate on at least two occasions (wage and price controls; not adding new surtax to oil), and gave the electorate the finger. He was still miles ahead of the Liberals who came after him.

I did admire his decisiveness to a point - his handling of the media in Quebec crisis ("just watch me") was impressive.

No he's not the worst Canadian. This poll is funny but frankly not relevant. We should leave it at that.

"...without the use of the notwithstanding clause, where elected LEGISLATURES reclaim, from unelected judges, the laws they've duly passed—and the judges have struck down—Lord Voldemort, via the Charter, has destroyed democracy in this country. THAT’S the main reason he’s the worst Canadian...In fact, the provincial premiers, who made a backroom deal with the Dark Lord to give birth to this Frankenstein Monster, refused to go along until Section 33 was entrenched...As Wolfman and Fiumara have pointed out, the Chief Death Eater's legacy to this country has been altogether destructive. Only impressionable types with juvenile, shallow minds, fixated on appearances, could be fooled by this arrogant poltroon."

"Via He Who Must Not Be Named's Charter, he's made a fool—and sometimes even mincemeat—of Canadians who value responsibility, freedom, and accountability. Considering himself to be like God, You Know Who proceeded to make Canada in his own image. Poor us."

Indeed: Poor. You.

Two comments:

In 1974, when Trudeau was running against Bob Stanfield for the Tories, the MSM repeatedly ran a picture of Stanfield fumbling a football passed to him. My sister (older but not wiser) said to me: "How can you vote for Stanfield? He's so old and ugly." I believed then, and now, that Bob Stanfield was a decent and honourable man, but his platform for wage and price controls was anathema to me, so for the first (and only) time of my life, I voted Liberal, based largely on Trudeau's "Zap, you're frozen" comment. Of course, once he was in power, he proceeded to invoke the very wage and price controls he had mocked. Thus, I learned in my first election not to trust Liberals.

Second, I was in Ottawa when Her Majesty, ER II, came to Canada to sign the new constitution. It was an ugly April day, but there was quite a crowd on Parliament Hill. Her Majesty gave a short and gracious speech, which received restrained applause. Then PET stood to speak. As soon as he opened his mouth, the clouds opened as well, and his remarks were delivered into a cold, dreary rain. I thought to myself "What kind of omen is this?". I don't have a copy of Nineteen-eightyfour available, but I seem to remember O'Brian saying something like the "future of humanity is a rubber truncheon smashing it in the face." (someone please correct me) It seems to me that that mirrored PET's philosophy to a "T"; what he wanted, everyone got, like it or not.

Indeed what, Smoke?

You misquote, use quotation marks incorrectly, and so attribute words to me I didn't say.

Just what do you mean here?

Im on page 75 of 'Mao' by the husband wife team of Jung Chang and John Halliday.

not surprised turdeau was such a big fan of the communist despot.

ruthless, self centred, manipulative, elitist view, unconcerned about the people. Mao that is, and those are just a few of the similarities.

turdeau was and remains a closet tyrant. well deserving of the title Worst Canadian.