So the Liberals are proud of their intensity targets?

ANd when was a growing economy a problem....Wow what a headline that would make

Dion Says, "Growing Economy A Problem"

13 years of nothing...nothing but kleptocrats helping themselves to the nation's confiscated wealth.

..uh, I think we got it Jason...that's why Canadians put Harper to guard the public purse.

Well, that certainly explains it is plain english... NOT! So the Lieberals made all these technical advances in refining and transportation? Next thing they will takes credit for the sun rising in the east.

With this bozo as leader, I am still amazed that the Adscam, etc party is not in the toilet behind the Dippers. Must be one heck of a lot of Romanian strippers... err supporters out there.

How many bareels was that again? A Constishnal crisis?

And the internet, they invented that too, didn't they?? :^))

The message is being spread. Not sure it's getting out, though; possibly Cherniak should face reality and post a transcription.
What's a "buh reel"?
Seriously, if you're going to pontificate on energy policy, wouldn't you take a few minutes to learn to pronounce "barrel" correctly?

Thanks!

What a load!

"Mr. Gore said it's a fraud, it means it's a fraud."
This from the genius that has the gall to call the Prime Minister's position on the issue "rich".
It's still hard for me to believe leftists really take Kyoto, Gore, or even Dion seriously at all.

Conservatives should consider this political movement for what it is, a blessing. No total fraud can maintain it's illusion indefinitely, and when the curtain finally drops it's gonna be incredibly humiliating for leftists everywhere...

Hey, Jason
I totally agree with you. I think this should be the official line that the liberals carry into the next election. How could they be expected to reduce greenhouse gases when they were so busy increasing the efficiency of oil production by 45%.

This increased efficiency has helped the western economy and by default, the entire Canadian economy tremendously. I'm certain that, once you get the word out that it was the liberal climate change plan that made this possible, all Albertan voters will be flocking to the polls to vote liberal.

This is typical Cherniak brilliance!

What language was that?

Could someone please provide this idiot with an English-French dictionary.

Disgusting!

Could someone please provide this idiot with an English-French dictionary.

Disgusting!

Well, guess the Liberals can't afford their own ads, so this is the best we get to see? Only lefties believe that the Liberals did anything to fight greenhouse gasses, but it's easier to fight a fake gas then it is to fight real pollution.

I really, really tried to listen, but he lost me when he kept talking about olive oil. Is that what he said? I have absolutely no idea. How can anyone take this guy seriously??? It's absurd to think that he could potentially lead this country.

I agree 1000%, getting messages out like this as often as possible is the best thing that could happen to the conservative, oops, I mean Liberal party. Bring them on!

That's one of the best threads I've seen on Cherny's for some time now, for the pure entertainment!

And I always get a charge out of how lawyer types sound when the try to pretend they know the in's & out's of how industry works, real knee-slappers they are! I've dealt with a few on both sides of the fence on corporate cases, trying to get them to understand how industry works was both frustrating and at the same time a good source of laughter.

Skal!

Mr. Gore said "it's a frog?"

Posters need to do better than just ridicule M. Dion's English. As for being an "idiot", he's undoubtedly more intelligent than most people posting to this site this evening.

JCl (6:25 pm): No, it was Al Gore that invented the internet.

Richard, although his comprehension of Canada's other official language is pretty bad considering he wants to be leader of all of Canadas, it is his gum flapping while not saying anything coupled with the indignant jab at the Conservatives, Alliance, Reform and maybe Bush (can't be sure)that really irritates me. I am also truly amazed that you know the intelligence level of SDA readers. Did you take a poll?

So Dion thinks the Liberals were responsible for a 45% decrease in amount of emissions per barrel of oil produced? And he thinks that is defined as energy efficiency? And he thinks that if the Conservative policy is a fraud because he alleges it was copied from the Liberals, that does not mean that the Liberal policy was itself a fraud?

This is not a language problem Dion has. It's a credibility problem.

Whose puppet is this guy? I can see the strings.

Richard is right, let's keep the posts civilized. Name calling cheapens the interchange of ideas.

Is Cherniak a fanatic, a moron, or both?

He says about the clip - "I thought his answer was close to perfect".

I thought the answer, was inept and non-responsive to the question.

Cherniak also figures that Harper "runs the most partisan government in Canadian history."

Ignorant doesn't even scratch the surface with this guy. He and Antonia would make quite the couple.

I dont have a comment per se...I will just refer to the responding comments on Jason's blog regarding that post.

LMAO ROFL

So let me get this straight.

First, the Liberals had majorities until 2004. And they couldn't put measures in place because Klein and Harris and Harper were going to take them to court? OK - so? were the Liberals afraid of the outcome? were the Liberals that weak in their own beliefs when they signed the Kyoto agreement?

Second, Al Gore "said so" - is supposed to mean what exactly in Canada? Al Gore is not a scientist. Al Gore is not Canadian. Al Gore is not exactly a shining example of conserving natural resources and respecting the environment - he owns 3 gigantic homes; he uses fuel to travel; he diverts money into his friends' eco-offset company (which is just an aggregate of takeover companies.

OK Jason C. please tell me why your party has stooped to this low level, as to get a multi-million egotistical eco-sinner to be your party's spokesperson on our Canadian environmental policies.

oooohhhh.....that made me nauseous......
and this thing(I wouldn't call it a man) wants to be PM of Canada?
be afraid..........be very afraid!

I am starting to hope that somehow Dion and the Liberals get back into power. It would truly be the death of the Librano family in Canada. While Dion may be intellectually incapable of Adscamming millions of dollars from the Canadian public, his inept and inneffectual governance of this country would surely be enough to convince the good people of Toronto that the Liberals should never be given the reigns of power again, right? Ummm yeah. I wouldn't bet on it.

Better stick with the pseudo-conservatives for now.

Let's give credit where credit is due. Sometimes doing nothing (but naming a dog Kyoto) is the best option ... I think that was what dion was trying to say.

Is dion gore's bitch or what?

Brilliant young comedian! That guy does a French Canadian politician better than anyone I've ever seen!

Move over Rich Little, there's a new guy in town!

Hey Jason,

While you are us Dion's a$$ please let us know if that is where he pulled the 45% figure from. Will ya?

Hey Jason,

While you are up Dion's a$$ please let us know if that is where he pulled the 45% figure from. Will ya?

Hey Richard, tell you what... I'm willing to take a validly administered IQ test along with you, or Jason Cherniak, or Stephane Dion for $3,000 to the person who scores higher.

No strings, just have it administered by a university psychologist with valid testing experience who's not related to Dion.

Sound fair? Until then, don't denigrate the intellect of SDA posters who rightly point out that your leader can't speak English.

I struggled through the clip and don't want to see it again, but...did he say that the Conservatives stole the Liberal plans and Gore said the Conservative plans (that the liberals wrote) were a fraud?

Dion will find out in next election that your statements get challenged. He will have to explain how nothing was done with majority government, but Tories supposed to change world with minority. He will have to explain specifically what his great plan was and why Canada signed on to Kyoto reductions far more than was required, then did NOTHING. He will have to explain why he has no policies, other than those he can cook up during election. campaign. Maybe he will promise to remove the notwithstanding clause or ban handguns, two recycled Lib power ideas that went nowhere last time.

In fact this guy will have to explain Afghan policy, economic policy, Senate reform policy, etc. That is why we aren't in an election right now; the Libs are waiting for "the big one" they can blame on Tories and ride to power. Think of it, we need some kind of disaster, like really bad casualty count in Afghan, for Liberals to win back power. That is leadership.

The NDP are as stupid as nails right now. Peter Van Loan showed how Libs have stalled Senate Reform bill for over year (Goodale says two Liberal provinces NB and PEI representing small percentage of Canadians against it, yet they haven't bothered to confer with them). Libby Davis then starts blathering on about proportional representation, apparently the reform Canadians (in Layton language hard lefties) want, not changes to Senate terms.

Doesn't NDP know Libs will turn on them in election, they are fighting for the same vote. Dion has marginalized his party (many BTW upset about his Senate flip flop and other top down decisions), appealing to anti-US, Gore loving moonbats, and actually expects to win power.

Let's have an election and put Dionsky out of ours, and his, misery.

Jason,

I'm not here to insult your guy's grasp of english.

My problem is that M. Dion it trying to paint a picture depicting the Cons as blocking Liberal efforts to address Kyoto. The Liberals had, post Kyoto signing, at least 7 years of unrestrained majority government plus the Martin months to implement whatever plan they pleased. The Libereals, at the risk of repeating myself, could have done anything but choose to do nothing.

Dion should not try to shift blame by misrepresenting history.

One more point. Anyone noticed when Liberals have failed to take action in past, and has no policies now, it's always SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.

What a maroon! Words fail me, but this clip was the laugh of the day!

Cherniak, I would have buried this rather than showcase my pathetic leader on one of Canada's most popular blogs. The Conservatives don't need to run their million dollar "NOT A LEADER" campaign when you will do their work for free.

I feel as though I've been deeped in a bareel of oil after that!
Ontario? You do realize that Dion's slaggin' you; Harris and Klein in the same breathe? He hates you too. Because you build the cars that use the oil and gas. Darn your industries that so many rely on.
Let's all be professorial sport fisher's. That'll improve the GDP and standards of living allright.

Dion didn't answer the question; instead, he set up a fictional narrative.

First, he claimed that the technological advances in the refining of oil, and in the manufacture of cars - were due to the Liberals! Wow. What incredible arrogance. And he expects us to accept that?

Second, his attempt to locate blame for the Liberal inaction by stating that the "Reform, Alliance, Conservatives' were blocking the alleged Liberal Motions is another lie. As many have pointed out, the Liberals had a majority gov't for all of this period. No other party could block their Motions. The truth is, they didn't have any plan.

Third, Dion ignores the truth about the Conservative rejection of Kyotoism - which is that the Conservatives do not reject climate change per se, they reject anthropogenic climate change, ie, Kyotoism. And, state that Kyotoism is a money transference scheme that has nothing to do with the environment. Dion leaves this important fact out of his statement -he just says that the Conservatives reject 'climate change'. That's a lie.

Fourth, is Dion serious about setting up Al Gore as a valid expert on climatology? That's a very stupid assertion.

Fifth, as others have pointed out, if Dion agrees with Gore that the Conservative plan is a 'fraud' and Dion claims that the Conservative plan is a copy of the Liberal plan - then, logically, the Liberal plan was/is alos a 'fraud'. Or is it the case that Dion doesn't know anything about basic logic?

Sixth, Dion didn't answer the question - the Liberals didn't do anything about climate change. They could have; they had a majority; they didn't.

If in the next election the east gives us this franco ninny goof they can have him and the whole of Canada that elects him.
THE WEST WANTS OUT.

harper's cat fetish leaves him vulnerable...

harper's cat fetish leaves him vulnerable...

hahahahaha

What the hell is a "soap pail"?

What the heck is a "soap pail green plan"? Could he be talking about the slop pail plan he didn't get around to putting out and is now blaming on the Alliance, Reform and Conservatives?

Three different parties over the span of 13 plus years of Majority Liberal rule and he has the colossal gall to blame the other parties for his own inaction and outright failure on the file.

For Dion to tell us that because Gore says the Conservative plan is a "fraud" it must be so says much about the caliber of Dion's judgment on the matter.
The English language is the least of his problems, he simply has no clue.

Let's see if I got this straight.

Increasing population

= increased consumption
= increased production
= increased pollution
= increased wailing from the Left
= increased (carbon) taxation to pretend it can be fixed
= increased decimation of the free capitalist societies of Earth
= an eventual totalitarian world of warring peasants trying to get enough food
= rapidly decreasing populations with anarchy

Is that about it?

While it's uncool to to mock or call Mr. Dion names, bringing attention to his halting English is a perfectly valid point. I am thinking if Harper spoke French as poorly as Dion speaks English, the MSM would be talking of little else.

Dion states that GHG emissions rose, even with better technology in vehicles, because there were more vehicles on the road.

So, if the real problem is more vehicles on the road, how exactly, will he deal with that, without crashing the economy?

Yup, this trailer’s a keeper.

Both Gore and Dion's administrations were in power for about a decade, give or take a few years, and they were complete failures on the environment.

How can they now have the arrogance to consider themselves the authorities of the subject, with the exclusive ability to remediate it?

I asked two medical doctors and a elementary school principal what greenhouse gas was doing the most warming. All three responded with "CO2" When I told them they were wrong. That it was in fact H2O they didn't belive me. When I explained that H2O was responsible for 90% of the greenhouse warming they still didn't belive me. When I explained that CO2 absorbed energy in three narrow windows and that H2O absorbed energy in two of these windows thus competing with CO2 for the energy and that H2O was absorbing in many more windows they started to question their point of view. When I mentioned that CO2 was absorbing all the energy available and that the Nimbus 4 ? satellite showed that no energy in the CO2 windows was being detected from space they all looked perplexed. I told them to check it out and let me know where I was wrong. No response yet.
Dion and all those who support Kyoto need to know just how wrong they are and why.

well if gore says it's a frog then it's a frog talking...well, trying to speak.
I am laughing so hard it hurts, keep it coming kate
borat dion is proving to be priceless

"The problem we have is a growing economy", I think the Venezuelans may have a solution to this problem.

Franglais? Anglois?
Eep! This is bad how, eh?
The more she do to explain it, we better be, eh!

This video was painful to watch. He can't speak English and if he conducts an election campaign this way we will see Harper get a majority.

Its a good thing I read the comments because I couldn't listen to DeYawn. A few inarticulate ramblings from him was enough to convince me he had nothing of importance to say. BTW whose side is Jason C supposed to be on?

the libs didn't do anything about climate change because they can't do anything about climate change. climate changes. dinosaurs roamed alberta in the jungle in drumheller..drumheller is a desert now

"The Reform party, the Alliance, fought against every step we took." He also blames Ralph Klein and Mike Harris(!)

Er, didn't you have three majorities? Pathetic.

In short, his answer is: "we fought valiantly aginst Preston Manning, Stock Day, Ralph Klein and Mike Harris to do something about global warming. Then JUST when we were on the verge of implementing our AMAZING plan (now known as the fraud being implemented by the Tories), we were booted from office."

Dang! Ain't that always the way? Pass the soap pail, please. Or as Monty Python would say "get me a bucket!"

I agree with Western Canadian, its time to take our ball and go home!

I have been working in the Oil patch as a facilities consulting engineer since 1990. Currently designing some cutting edge EOR pilot facilities. So I gotta ask myself.

How could I miss the technological breakthroughs the Liberals caused to the lifting, pipelining, cleaning, transporting and refining of crude oil and bitumen that reduced the energy costs by 45%.

Wow, I must be blind.

I find it hilarious that this was the best they could come up with in a week filled with such campaign style stops. More. Faster.

I have been working in the Oil patch as a facilities consulting engineer since 1990. Currently designing some cutting edge EOR pilot facilities. So I gotta ask myself.

How could I miss the technological breakthroughs the Liberals caused to the lifting, pipelining, cleaning, transporting and refining of crude oil and bitumen that reduced the energy costs by 45%.

Wow, I must be blind.

He might make more sense if he played the air guitar like PMPM instead of talking ... it must of been a beautiful moment for all the people at that club.

Brings a tear to my eye every time I think about it.

dkjones: "... reduced the energy costs by 45%"

Get with the program!!!! 45% is a goracle metaphor for nothing ... zilch ... zero.

I don't know why the hell you would believe anything from Cherniak. He screens ALL of his comments so when he sees something he doesn't like being said about his "beloved" green guru he simply won't allow it.

Cherniak is an ass---and---as it turns out he is also an ass-kissing ass. I almost expect him to tell us all the Dion gave him a great big kiss. It makes me sick!

Horny Toad

The Liberals were never concerned with CO2, pollution or the health of the people of Canada. When they began shoving Kyotee down the throats of Canadians it was 'global warming' not 'climate change' that the Kyotee crackpots were fog horning about. Kelly is correct - climates change - from the north pole to the south pole, from summer to winter - 'Climate change' is an open ended catch phrase that means nothing, sort of like saying 'money spends'. Misplaced modifiers are the culprits in both of the above illogical statements. Climate is a noun, it needs a qualifier to make sense when modified by an adverb or a Gerund. Change, in this instance, is undefined - is it an adverb, a noun, a verb or a Gerund? 'Dress change', 'eye change', house change'....?
IMO, when the people of a nation are being lectured with a 'catch phrase' that makes no grammatical sense then they should question the reason for the error. They should assume that they are being hoodwinked.
In the case of the Liberanos it was all about another get rich quick scheme via the Canadian taxpayer. Just sell 'carbon credits' and stash the money in Ol' Uncle Mo's account in China. Pollution is never mentioned.
I do believe that Conservatives are using the catch phrase, climate change, as a vehicle to clean up pollution and force big polluters to use technology to stop poisoning the air, land and water. PMSH has said that a clean up is mandatory - he says that 'buying a way out' will not be an option. I like this approach as I am against poisoning the world to make some people wealthier and more powerful.

I really tried to listen to this, but after about 30 seconds clicked the thing off in disgust. WTF did the Liebrals find this moron? The Shawinagan strangler is a master orator in comparison to this clueless idiot.

What I've never been able to figure out is why the Liebrals seem to have the worst English speakers from Quebec? Any politician in Quebec whose second language is English, and spoken well, seems to gravitate to the PQ; Jacques Parizeau had flawless English and he is just one of many separatist politicians who seem to have had no problem in learning the language of their opponent extremely well.

What I've heard of Dion speaking in French makes as little sense as his mangled English. The guy seems incapable of rational thought.

I can't wait until the next campaign when Harper is going to absolutely destroy Dion in any debate. The only worrisome aspect is that a large fraction of Toronto residents may be at Dion's intellectual level or below.

truthsayer: You said:

When I mentioned that CO2 was absorbing all the energy available and that the Nimbus 4 ? satellite showed that no energy in the CO2 windows was being detected from space they all looked perplexed.

Perhaps they knew that Nimbus 4 burned up in the atmosphere in 1980 (i.e. 27 years ago). In regards to the rest of your comments, we can discuss it if you wish.

Regards,
John

Exactly my point Joan Tintor, they had Majority government and could do bloody well what they wished on anything. On the environment even Iggy said they didn't get it done.

The flipping nerve of the silly dweeb to stand at a microphone and garble on about the Conservatives gutting his great plan which he was just about to implement after 13 years of nothing.

It's about time to take the arrogant worms to the polls, the real ones not the rigged ones.

Does anyone know what a "soap pail green plan" is?
Are we losing something here in translation from Dion-speak to English?

He sounds like Kermit the Frog with a french accent. What an embarrassing PM he would be (God forbid).

Hey John. Maybe you didn't notice that truthsayer put that funny little thing called an ampersand after Nimbus 4??? That usualyy means s/he was unsure whether they got it right. But then you wouldn't know that, what with never having to apologize for mistakes with your entiliments you're entitled to.

Al Gore says it is a fraud, therefore it is a fraud. No need for further discussion; the prophet has spoken.

Does anyone know what a "soap pail green plan" is?

SOmething to do with a soap box, I believe.

The Conservative Plan is comprised of bits and pieces of the Liberal Plan.
According to the Goracle, the Conservative plan is a fraud.
Ergo, the Liberal Plan was a fraud.

A = B
B = C
A = C

Thanks Borat for admitting it.

The oil companies that invested heavily in upping the efficieny of extraction must love to hear that it was infact Borat that did it for them.

Is Cheniak working for the Conservatives now?

I VOTE FOR "WEST WANTS OUT"

Justthinkin: Actually, that "funny little thing called an ampersand" is actually a question mark (an ampersand is actually " & "). Sorry, couldn't resist since it is such a perfect application of Skitt's Law.

However you are correct, they did post a question mark. I thought that since the author was making such a strong statement, they might like to have their facts straight for the next time.

The rest of my point stands but I would be happy to deal with the substance of it with you.

Regards,
John

PS If you look at my history on here I try to admit me errors when pointed out to me and generally thank those who do point them out. There is no shame in making an error, it is a shame to not correct it when pointed out.

The gift that keeps on giving.

It really doesn't matter that he lied, nor his preposterous claims, nor his unforgivable assault on logic, or whether he even made sense.

'Bah-reel' is the sound bite with the greatest recall.

His english teacher is an abject failure.

I am French Canadian. This Dion clip was so difficult and painful to listen to. I had to stop partway through. I give up trying to understand ANYTHING that comes out of this persons' mouth.

So,

Conservative plan = Liberal plan
Conservative plan = fraud
Therefore
Liberal plan = fraud

But to be fair (choke) the Libs did spend all those years putting fewer greenhouse gases in each barrel of oil. If they had put no GHGs in each barrel, maybe we wouldn;t have a problem. What the hell was he talking about, fewer GHGs in each barrel? Processing efficiencies? We pump it out of the ground, stick it in a pipeline and pump it to another country where it is turned into gasoline and sent back to us. Where does the big efficiency come from that leads to less GHG per barrel?

His bit about newer cars polluting less is a bit of a smoke screen. Newer cars are more efficient, they get more distance per unit fuel. That efficiency results in more of the hydrocarbon being converted to CO2 and less to CO, NOx, SOx, etc. Now that we consider CO2 to be a pollutant, newer cars are no less polluting per unit fuel than older cars, just different gases.

Dion is a sociology professor. I don't need to insult him further. That says enough.

It strikes me that he is convinced that he can pick up the turd from the clean end.

had this been Stockwell Day making statements like this CBCpravda would have been on a five day "but critics say" binge.

The guy is an idiot.

in the past 10 years the price of gas has gone from about 1.50/mcf to as high as 12$. Its market driven .

and this "a bare hole of oil produce 40% less"

no , every barrel of oil produced this year makes the same number of BTU's and the same number of CO2 molecules as it did back then, adjusted for quality and gravity. He is a complete idiot and his advisors are best advised to take him off the road show again. he hasnt improved in his three mouth exile .

The only thing funnier than his "skit" was the rousing applause he got at the end.....

JCL

cal2: yes every barrel of oil produced this year has the same amount of carbon, what about barrels from the liberal days? Maybe the conservatives purposely put more carbon in the oil now, the same carbon the libs took out when they were in power.

Why didn't the reporter call him out and point out that even if the Conservatives opposed him, he still had a majority and could push any legislation thru ?

Why didn't he point out that Gore has been exposed as an environmental hypocrite ?

This is really sloppy journalism.

What's a baa-reel of oil?

How could any sane person, reasonably informed, vote for someone like this?? The problem is the Conservatives have been trying to ride the fence this past spring, trying to get that elusive majority, and now I would have a problem voting for some of the nonsense their spouting. Mr. Harper is smart enough to know this, so he must have let the mushy people, the 'red torys'' have a shot. He'd better grab the horns again, or he'll lose to many of his base.

I gotta say, this is a "Best of SDA" post all the way. If only for the merit of it's simplicity.
The simple pathetic leftist irony of this quote can not ever be underestimated:

"Mr. Gore said it's a fraud, it means it's a fraud."

It must be hard for the Conservative war room to decide which Dion quote should be used to ridicule himself...

Tom: My view exactly ... Harper had better quit the blatant pandering, it will undo all the damage that Dion does to himself.

Mr. Harper is smart enough to know this, so he must have let the mushy people, the 'red torys'' have a shot. He'd better grab the horns again, or he'll lose to many of his base."
Lose his base to who exactly?

Tom: My view exactly ... Harper had better quit the blatant pandering, it will undo all the damage that Dion does to himself.
???

Wake up idiots.
The Conservative Party is competing for votes against a WIDE spectrum of leftist parties...

Having some knowledge of American Sign Language, it would be fun to have an interrepter read what he is saying with his hands.
Great fun to go up to a group in a bar, or meeting, etc and looked shocked and say, I'm sorry, you just insulted me. Do you know what you just said. A few years ago, there was some female anchor on cbc who used her hands a lot. After a few calls to the cbc, complaining she was insulting the deaf, the message got to her. She never used her hands for an entire program, and every time she started to she would catch herself and put them under the table, behind her back etc. Think I will call iggy's office and say he insulted me in the house of commons, with his hands.