May 14, 2007

The Kool Aid Campaign

ROSIE O’DONNELL: You know, I didn’t ask if they believed in Jesus, but I did read the books because I was fascinated by it, you know. And then Kelli, like, hid them from me, you know.


O’DONNELL: because she thinks I’m likely to join anything, which is true, you know.

BEHAR: You do have that cult personality.

O’DONNELL: I do. Remember the Jim Jones thing? I’m five seconds away from drinking the Kool Aid singing, "Kumbaya," you know. Honestly, it’s like I have a little bit of that.


JOY BEHAR: Well, the one thing is that Giuliani post-9/11 appeared to be very heroic. But now they’re saying that he was not that efficient in helping the people who were the recovery– the responders.

O’DONNELL: Also, he was, you know, instrumental in making sure that all of the steel was removed and shipped to Canada right away, Giuliani– was shipped to China, sorry, right away.

BEHAR: For what purpose?

O’DONNELL: Well, to get it out of there and to have, you know, all of the stu -- but it was all gone. So there was no like metal to test. There was no, there was no-

ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Giuliani was involved in the cover-up is that what's going on? I just want to check.

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Posted by Kate at May 14, 2007 6:32 PM

I actually caught this flipping through the channels.

I was happy to see Hasselbeck burn O'Donnell so well. She looked positively confident.

It would be nice if she got some training on the conspiracies so she can take Rosie down again and again and again.

Ridicule is the cure. Rosie is the disease.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 at May 14, 2007 7:21 PM

I actually caught this flipping through the channels.

I was happy to see Hasselbeck burn O'Donnell so well. She looked positively confident.

It would be nice if she got some training on the conspiracies so she can take Rosie down again and again and again.

Ridicule is the cure. Rosie is the disease.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 at May 14, 2007 7:22 PM

"Bigotry is an incapacity to conceive seriously the alternative to a proposition." - Lunacy and Letters

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at May 14, 2007 7:29 PM

Hey! that Kool-Aid package was a great idea!

The View is not on my list of television viewing. However, it would have been interesting to see how the Witches of Eastwick acted when Elisabeth returned from the white tie dinner.

You know, President Bush and the First Lady had the first white tie dinner of their presidency in honor of Her Majesty and Prince Phillip.

As it happens, Elisabeth Hasselbeck and her husband (an NFL player) were invited, and the invitation list was not huge either.

Now the President, the First Lady, and Her Majesty are just the sort of topics that the Witches of Eastwick salivate over.

So it was the panel's only conservative who actually had this distinction, and Rosie would have to sit there while Elisabeth chatted about those little private moments with the queen, the recipes that she and Laura Bush exchanged, etc., etc.

And of course the Blowhard Girls would simply have to sit there and watch the conservative bask in the entree that all this provided, knowing full well that they were all distinctly not on the list.

Posted by: Greg in Dallas at May 14, 2007 7:50 PM

There are a lot of unanswered and unsatifactory answerd questions concerning the 9/11 attacks which are resonable and is unfortunate that moonbats thike ODonnel have become attached to the 9/11 truth started out as a plausable inquiry from some very credible professionals then it took on a life of its own as every Bush hating twinke from the d-zone glomed onto it as a vehicle to Hurt Bush and spread some patently untrue "conclusions"...If I didn't know the nature of moon bats I'd suspect 9/11 truth was saboutaged on perpose by incredulous media buffiins taking it up like a cause.

The prime goal of 9/11 truth was to force an independent investigation into several areas the official report neglected or had no solid information...I think that is a good is unfortunate that the Hate-Bush monbat fringe has hijacked the original intent of the movement.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at May 14, 2007 7:52 PM

Who the hell would waste precious life time watching that stupid vacuous pack of silly dames?
Send them some Kool Aid and be sure they drink it.

Posted by: Liz J at May 14, 2007 7:53 PM

WL Mac R,

Well said. I can see value in getting more info so we can better plan our responses to other emergencies. There were indeed problems of management, communications, coordination, etc. and I'm sure engineering issues as well.

Most of that potentially valuable insight is probably lost forever due to the raving loons who put politics ahead of security.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 at May 14, 2007 7:58 PM

It should be Canadian Kool-Aid which contains red dye #1 banned in the US. Apparently it can be used to dye wool for socks!

Another reason not to drink the kool-aid.

Posted by: canary at May 14, 2007 7:58 PM

It's all good and expected.
Rosie does have a $10,000,000+ contract on the way...
Let leftists speak honestly!

Posted by: Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man at May 14, 2007 8:14 PM

My god, I had no idea dyeing wool was so dangerous.

Well! I'll certainly be sure to sever any relationship I have with beat juice.

Posted by: Vitruvius at May 14, 2007 8:46 PM

Ahem. Sorry about that. Of course, I meant beet juice. There's no possibility of my severing my relationship with beat juice (in the musical sense of beat). Or if I may paraphrase Lady Constance de Covalot in the classic 1967 production The Curse of the Flying Wombat, by the I'm Sorry I'll Read that Again troupe, featuring Bill Oddie, Graeme Garden, Tim Brooke-Taylor, David Hatch, Jo Kendall, and the inimitable John Cleese: I like a little rhythm.

Posted by: Vitruvius at May 14, 2007 8:59 PM

Giving Rosie a large stage is perfect, she will commit career suicide within two years. She's not as smart as she thinks she is (none of us is as smart as she thinks she is). More air time for Rosie will only expose her bigotry and foolishness to the masses.

Posted by: Anomander Rake at May 14, 2007 9:32 PM

The prime goal of 9/11 truth was to force an independent investigation into several areas the official report neglected or had no solid information...I think that is a good is unfortunate that the Hate-Bush monbat fringe has hijacked the original intent of the movement.

True, but don't forget there's another lunatic fringe who've been drinking Bush Kool-aid ever since 9-11.

At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. The news anchors, reporters, and viewers had little idea what had happened in lower Manhattan, but there were some people who did know. By that time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Secret Service, and Canada’s Strategic Command all knew that three commercial airplanes had been hijacked. They knew that one plane had been flown deliberately into the World Trade Center’s North Tower; a second plane was wildly off course and also heading toward Manhattan; and a third plane had abruptly turned around over Ohio and was flying back toward Washington, DC.

So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it.

Three possible answers occur to me. Either he's the most stupid and incompetent president ever to fill a chair in the Oval Office, or else he had a pretty good idea what was going on and he wanted the attack to be completed so he could use the resulting emergency to enhance his power and push through his agenda. Or it's a little of column A and a little of column B - Bush is the stupidest idiot ever, and Cheney wanted the attack to be completed.

Any of you got a better explanation? Let's hear it.

Posted by: Ugh at May 14, 2007 9:47 PM

Ugh - please wipe the drool off your chin. If you REALLY think Bushitler "planned" or "knew in advance", you do not deserve anything but scorn and contempt. You really should try to distinguish between assertions (like the ones you made) and facts and arguments.

You make Rosie look intelligent.

Posted by: terrence at May 14, 2007 9:57 PM

"You make Rosie look intelligent."

And that's no easy task, but Mr. ugh Moore attempts are valiant.

Posted by: multirec at May 14, 2007 10:01 PM

ugh i,m sure the lord love's you, but the rest of us think your an asshole.

Posted by: pete at May 14, 2007 10:18 PM

Well at least Bush wasnt in the oval office with an intern named Monica while giving away classified secrets to China over the phone in exchange for election money.Clinton knew about the hijackers taking flying lessons and plotting to use them in the way they did and chose not to do anything about it.How come you dont ask those questions about him?

Posted by: spike 1 at May 14, 2007 10:31 PM

Uhhuh. Right Ugh. And did you know that the terrorists weren't really Islamofacists, but illegal Mexicans on a day trip?

Posted by: Justthinkin at May 14, 2007 10:31 PM

Why do so many people think Bush could do a cover up on 9/11, yet fail to plant any WMD in Iraq?

Why is he so incompetent in Iraq and yet pulls of a cover up bigger than the fake moon landing?

C'mon rosie, you cannot say Bush-or anyone- could pull off a 9/11 conspiracy. Those same people could then fake a few WMD's in Iraq. He cannot be both brilliant and stupid. pick one.

Posted by: jeff.k at May 14, 2007 10:32 PM

Now, now, let's be reasonable here. Ugh didn't ask for a correct explanation, he asked for a better explanation, such as, to pick one example, The moon is made of green cheese, or, if you prefer, Pardon me, but is that beet juice on your wool dress?

Posted by: Vitruvius at May 14, 2007 10:35 PM

Which specific assertions related to the timeline do you disbelieve? Or if you accept the timeline then how is that the Anti-rosie could sit down to read children a story about a goat when he and the people around him knew with absolute certainty that at least three hijacked jetliners were attacking the United States?

Your personal abuse doesn't make me angry at all. I was once like you - when I saw the laughably stupid buffoons like Al Gore, John Kerry and their supporters lined up against Bush I automatically gravitated to the Republican side and was willing to give Bush, Cheney, et al. a lot of slack. But if you have a brain and a little bit of honesty then sooner or later you have to wake up and smell the stench of socialism. There is virtually no ideological or any other practical difference between the leading Democrats and the Republicans. They're all for big - no MASSIVE - government, high taxes (even if Bush wants to slightly defer them by borrowing money), misguided foreign adventurism calculated to enrich their cronies and distract the public, pork, corruption and welfare.

Posted by: Ugh at May 14, 2007 10:36 PM

Please make that purple Kool-Aid.It would be fitting.

Posted by: spike 1 at May 14, 2007 10:36 PM

Ugh saw da LIGHT! Ugh wants us to see da LIGHT, just like he done. Nice Ugh! Good Ugh!

Bushitler is EEEVVVILLLL!

Thanks for the ipput, Ugh.
You make Rosie look intelligent.

Posted by: terrence at May 14, 2007 11:05 PM

Ugh saw da LIGHT! Ugh wants us to see da LIGHT, just like he done. Nice Ugh! Good Ugh!

Bushitler is EEEVVVILLLL!

Thanks for the input, Ugh.
You make Rosie look intelligent.

Posted by: terrence at May 14, 2007 11:05 PM

Ugh: When was Pres Bush elected, when did he get sworn in. When did he know he would win the election. When did the hijackers start their flying lessons. When did their lessons stop. When did Pres Bush get his first cabinet thru the senate. If, as you insinuate, he knew everything that was happening or going to happen, as he read his story, when did he start to plan the attack. To get it all in place in less than 9 months. That would mean he would have to be very smart, capable and secretive. How could he be so stupid, if he did all this in less time than it takes to have a baby. I would be more inclined to believe that it was the Clinton people who did it, as the head of the fbi, cia, military etc were all still in place and all appointed by Clinton. Think of all the attacks on US property, and troops, that he did nothing about. Makes as much sense as you do.

Posted by: mary T. at May 14, 2007 11:29 PM

O*Donnell, Paris Hilton, Alec Baldwin, Anna N. Smith, Tom Cruise, and you can think of dozens more.

Once you make a movie or two, or get featured in Playboy, then you are free to waste TV real estate like it was water and not worry about being tossed out on your ear.

I thought TV time was expensive. Some things remain a total mystery. = TG

Posted by: TG at May 14, 2007 11:35 PM

The simple explanation ugh seeks is this.
Bush is a puppet.
Cheney is the master.
See how easy it all is?

Everyone expects the President to be omnipresent(?). But it takes a huge staff to run that show. Bush wasn't watching television at the time.
And all those disconnected federal agencies weren't talking to each other, unlike they are supposed to do today.

Posted by: aj in calgary at May 14, 2007 11:38 PM

Forget the packets of Kool Aid.

Rosie's so stupid she'd have a meltdown trying to figure out how to get 4 Litres water into that tiny package.

Posted by: Alienated at May 14, 2007 11:40 PM

Pardon my ignorance, because I don't care in the least about Rosie O'Donnell, but isn't she leaving "The View" next month?

Posted by: Eugene at May 14, 2007 11:55 PM


Posted by: spurwing plover at May 15, 2007 12:35 AM

I think that Rosie and Ugh should form a consortium to build a bridge to Hell. They could use steel, because, as everyone is certainly aware of by now, even the fires of Hell would not be able to melt steel. A hat tip to Rosie and Ugh for setting our thinking straight on the real causes of 9/11.
/ sarc off. :))

Posted by: Joe Canuck at May 15, 2007 12:39 AM

Engineers like Rosie and Ugh believe that the structural integrity of iron is impecable. Of course they've never sat in the seat of a 9299 American or a 4100 Manitowoc and pulled a critical lift.

Terms like "shock load" and 'shear" are not a part of their edumcated venacular.

That is all.


Posted by: syncrodox at May 15, 2007 2:47 AM

"So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it."

Actually, Bush didn't know about the second tower being hit until at least 2 minutes into the already planned photo-op. Additionally, the FAA, etc. were still looking for flight 11 for 45 minutes after it already struck the first tower, etc...although, yes, they were aware that the tower had indeed been hit. At one point, a controller indicates that flight 11 was still hijacked and headed for Washington. That plane turned out to be the one that hit the Pentagon.

There was enormous confusion and miscommunication, lack of comprehension of the scale of the attack, etc.

There have been several documentaries presenting audio clips of the FAA, etc. and the timeline.

Why did Bush wait so long? We may never know. Perhaps it really was as he states, he wanted to project an image of calm. Was it the right thing to do? Probably not.

Watch "On Native Soil" for one focusing on the families attempts to get an investigation that ultimately became the "9-11 Commission".
Or just read the report itself.

In this documentary, there is a close up of tower 2 at the moment of collapse. It is clearly visible that the corner buckles inwards and starts the cascade. There are no explosions evident at this moment. It fell on its own.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 at May 15, 2007 4:44 AM

About all you have correct is the times

1) The plane hit at 8:43
2) Bush started his photo op at 9:03

After that you go off of the rails. I was watching the coverage after the first plane hit, watch the CNN repeats and you tell me if anybody knew what had happened. My goodness they thought it was a cessna!

Nobody really got it till the second plane hit live. Even then the dough headed reporter on TV speculated that there was something wrong with the navigation system, listen to the news report on that day, gives a real picture of the confusion that day.

The air commands knew there were hijaked planes in those 15 minutes....15 minutes thats it, as the info begins to roll in. This is nothing.

Anyway, if you want to believe that this small coeterie was able to pull this off and have been able to keep all definitive proof hidden then that is your right. Jsut dont expect anybody to take you seriously....I am just amazed at what our education system produces these days. I am sure you believe in any one of a number of conspiracy theories all of which have circular self reinforcing may want to consider speaking with a local mental health professional as I am concerned you may be of harm to yourself or others.

Posted by: Stephen at May 15, 2007 7:27 AM

Ugh, It wasn't the evil Bush sitting in the school room; it was a plastic copy while the real Bushitler was flying the planes into the buildings.

Remember, he was a trained pilot.

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at May 15, 2007 8:30 AM

So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it.
Three possible answers occur to me. Either he's the most stupid and incompetent president ever to fill a chair in the Oval Office, or else he had a pretty good idea what was going on and he wanted the attack to be completed so he could use the resulting emergency to enhance his power and push through his agenda. Or it's a little of column A and a little of column B - Bush is the stupidest idiot ever, and Cheney wanted the attack to be completed.
Any of you got a better explanation? Let's hear it.

Try the truth! Read the 911 Commission report.
Your logic is so flawed. Bush is stupid but planned the most elaborate conspiracy in history. Not only that, we can’t keep national defense secrets secret, like tracking financial transactions of terrorists, but hundreds of people that would be required to make this happen have not leaked any of it to the press. Even a person whose hate for Bush is consuming has to see the stupidity of that premise.
Like Rosie, you don’t let facts stand in your way of having an opinion contrary to the facts. Rosie, the steel was sent to Staten Island where it was extensively studied to understand the failure mode. So her statement is demonstrably false but it does not stop her and those like her form making it and drawing false conclusions based on factually incorrect information.

Posted by: rpk at May 15, 2007 8:44 AM

You have a point you know. A truly diobolocal conspiracist would have been in position to jump into motion immediately, in order to produce a photo op most favourable to his legacy.

Of course, chimpanzees who engineer the collapse of 105 story skyscrapers using thousands of pounds of hidden wires and explosives don't think of things like that.

Now - go ask your parents what it was you did as a child that motivated them to send you to Idiot School.

Posted by: Kate at May 15, 2007 8:54 AM

We all have our disagreements with President Bush. Immigration, U.S. Attorney firings, Iraq, Darfur, etc. are all hot topics these days. The following "speech" was written yesterday by an ordinary Maineiac. While satirical in nature, all satire must have a basis in fact to be effective. An excellent piece by a person who does not write for a living. Sent with the author's permission.

The speech George W. Bush SHOULD give:

Normally, I start these things out by saying "My Fellow Americans." Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.

I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: there's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.

The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people.

I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.

Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton Administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this "blood for oil" thing. If I was trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied People Died' crap either. If I was the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.

That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can.. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe.

You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor'.

Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dammit, you might just as well Fedex a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.

I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there're just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that's it. God bless what's left of America. Some of you know what I mean.

Posted by: Ross at May 15, 2007 9:02 AM

The fact Rosie is on airwave national TV is proof there is a demographic of neurotic trailer park women to be exploited by the networks...the only thing left to do is sung Rosie's time slot next to a daytime ABC Info-tainment news program and get more revenues from hair dye sponsors.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at May 15, 2007 9:53 AM

Sperwing Plover - You're wondering what color Kool Aid to send Rosie? Let's create one and call is "idiot". That would be the one to send her.

Posted by: a different Bob at May 15, 2007 9:57 AM

Great post Ross and unfortunately too true.

We live in an age of fast food fixes and most people want instant gratification NOW.

also a lot of people out their in consumerville have the mental capacity of a gnat.

The motto of the day for so many seems to be,"don't bother me with facts...just feed me,and hurry up"

Lazy thinking in a lazy age.

Posted by: simon at May 15, 2007 10:03 AM

Ross - awesome post! I loved it (and I hated it) because it rings so damn true. I can only hope that there really is a "silent majority" that will wake up and revolt against the lazy, stalinist, traitorous minority that seems to have the megaphone today. Oh, and Rosie isn't just a loon....she's a loon with money and a stage. I hope she self destructs in a way that gets her charged with sedition while choking on undissolved kool-aid.

Posted by: John at May 15, 2007 11:46 AM

Excellent post Ross. I'm sending to a few freaks I know (here in Toronto) if you don't mind.

The war on terror. The war on climate change. Etc. are minor skirmishes when compared to the real war of our generation.

The war on idiots.

If lost, that'll be the guaranteed end of us all.

Posted by: irwin daisy at May 15, 2007 12:02 PM

Ross, that speech deserves to published nationwide. If today's prevaling attitude existed in our past, we'd all be whistling "Dixie", while dining on sushi wearing Lederhosen and funny hats.

Posted by: Myro at May 15, 2007 12:09 PM

conspiracy theorists aren't just dumb (although they are that,) they're also the most blindly fanatical, fact-deficient, willfully ignorant, stunted idiots on the face of the earth.

To believe this stuff you have to believe in a way so furvently you make extreme religious cults look like the Harvard debating club.

You have to not only be devoid of facts but be unwilling to look at any.

Posted by: Warwick at May 15, 2007 12:12 PM

The irony of our modern internet society is that people have more access to information than ever, yet seem more ignorant than ever. There was a time when people waited for the facts, and the experts, to determine their stand on an issue. Now any moonbat idiot can stand as an "expert."

Ugh is a case in point, asking questions for which there are likely an infinite number of responses, yet because he/she can't come up with one, then there is a smoking gun.

I know this is just cause an effect arguing, but two large planes, full of fuel, crashed into the World Trade Centre towers, and soon after, they collapsed. Unless people can refute that cause, using proper engineering and math, maybe they shouldn't draw ignorant conclusions, especially based on their personal ideology or hatred of GWB.

Posted by: Shamrock at May 15, 2007 12:12 PM

How sad and inconsequential do you have to be to let a co-host of a women's morning talk show be your focal point??? Love her or hate her she is a non-entity on the political stage.

Also Ross and his supporters should probably look for another country to live in if they can't figure out how to get along with others who have different viewpoints. America is clearly not for you. That was about the stupidest comment I've read in a long time.

Posted by: spanishflyonthewall at May 15, 2007 12:16 PM

He used grape Flavor Aid.

Posted by: Becky at May 15, 2007 12:21 PM

Uh, spanish fly..."we" aren't the ones trying to kill your fellow Americans. We're just trying to point out the the oblivious, I guess.

Posted by: Myro at May 15, 2007 12:22 PM

Bush's actions on 9/11 made perfect sense to me then, and they do now. He was told the first plane hit as he walked into the room. He thought it was a major pilot error - he'd already engaged the class when the second plane hit and he was told about it. He was in a roomful of children he did not wish to scare. He had his assistant whispering what was going on in his ear and he had the SS saying, "we're making double sure he's safe before we leave here, so it will take a few more minutes. If we're under attack, our responsibility is to make sure every parameter here is doublechecked. It's not like he could have jumped off his chair and saved the day...he stayed calm and kept his cool and left at the first instant he reasonably could without throwing the nation, the press and everyone into a panic when no one really knew what the hell was going on.

But of course, if you're a Bush hater, none of that makes sense, and the only thing he should have done was starting crying and running to save NY.

And of course, had he done that, the Bush haters would now be saying, "look, he was playing the cameras and trying to act like a hero, HE MUST HAVE KNOWN it was all going to happen...that's why he made sure he was far away from ny and with lots of cameras around him."

You know you would be saying it.

You people are pathetic in your hate. The Righties who hated Clinton never began to approach the sick hatred you nurture in your breast and live for. And you're not going to get better, even when Bush is out of office, because you have decided you love the hate.

Posted by: Lizzie at May 15, 2007 12:30 PM

Simple questions for the sheep that believe the 9/11 conspiracy theories claiming demolition charges caused the towers to fall...

How many of you believe that these jets were crashed into the SAME PLACE(EXACTLY) where these so called demo charges were placed?

Do you people really believe that is possible?

Those piloting the jets knew exactly where to crash into these towers? And they hit both spots perfectly?


Could those tinfoil hats be stiffeling critical thinking?

Maybe the surge of psychotropic meds used after the 2004 election is to blame?

Posted by: trax at May 15, 2007 12:57 PM

"Also Ross and his supporters should probably look for another country to live in if they can't figure out how to get along with others who have different viewpoints. America is clearly not for you."

How can you tell when the brain is dead? The typical line of illogic - "...look for another country to live in..." throw in a couple of insults, present no competing argument and voila!

The idiot brain dead. They have the peculiar debating ability of defeating themselves.

Posted by: irwin daisy at May 15, 2007 1:02 PM

"So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack"

You are kidding right? No one knew at that point what was happening. The US Government can't wipe its collective nose in 15 minutes, much less determine that a group of terrorists were attacking using 4 airplanes.

Posted by: saintknowitall at May 15, 2007 1:13 PM

People, I hate Rosie as much as any good American, but PLEASE, don't send packets of Kool Aid thru the mail.

It's a powdery substance. When your envelope goes thru the sorting machines, the Kool Aid Packet will likely break open, powder will come out, and your local HAZMAT team will have to be called in to verify that the powder is only Kool Aid and not anthrax, ricin, or rat poison.

Send Rosie all the Kool Aid coupons you can lay your hands on, but don't create unnecessary work for our 1st responders.

Posted by: Ed at May 15, 2007 1:23 PM

A better question would be: Why do we allow the Democrat Party Misinformation Media Machine to keep burying stories about domestic terrorism to facilitate the election of their candidates in '08? That is the real conspiracy here.

Posted by: WAYNE at May 15, 2007 1:51 PM

Here's the world the Anti-war mob wants for us. Silence the American people with "hate speech" laws. Silence the soldier's, because they dare to speak out against them, and just want to win. Silence the radio waves with the "Fairness Doctrine." Silence the pulpits with threatening the churches with removal of their tax-exempt status for conducting "political speech" from the pulpit. (I.E.- talking about them.) Silence people who accuse them of wrongdoing by having them audited by the IRS. Silence your political opposition by obtaining their F.B.I. records, where any accusation can be unfairly made, and pass it off to a willing media as an “innocent mistake.” B.J. Clinton was a master of the last three. Silence dissent in the classrooms. Silence speakers and alternative viewpoints by heckling on college campuses. Silence authors by not displaying or reordering their books in the bookstores, even when they are the best seller list. Attack the right of free speech by denying that there is a God, so no such thing as a "God given right." Disseminate false and misleading disinformation when it serves your interests to advance your cause. Any of you sunshine patriots who support these people should think twice. When you stop marching out of lockstep, and have a different view then the one the media is filling you with, it will be your turn to discover just what an oppressive government can do. You know, "when they came for me, there was nobody left." Maybe some recent history will remind you of what the government can do to your fellow citizens, and your rights, with the help of a willing media.

Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The local sheriff investigated and found no basis for complaints against them. These were law-abiding American citizens, even if they thought differently than other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by agents acting under the authority of the U.S. government. Waco occurred under the presidency of Bill Clinton, with Janet Reno and Wesley Clark in supporting roles. Already back in 1993 the US government demonstrated its contempt for the American people by carrying out a massacre in order to "demonstrate" (on prime time TV) its supposed "authority" (a tactic favored by fascist governments). Few Americans realize that on February 28, 1993 when BATF agents in National Guard helicopters zoomed in on the Branch Davidians' church and home, Mount Carmel Center, they did so with guns blazing, like Americans raiding a Vietnamese village in that far off war. It is likely FBI agents deliberately sabotaged negotiations with Davidians to prevent their exiting Mount Carmel. Their goal was to destroy the building because it contained damaging evidence of their attack, even if that meant the massacre of dozens of men, women and children, all witnesses to the brutal attack. — Carol Moore: Overview of Davidian Massacre. Koresh even say’s on tape that he knows the building will wind up being destroyed, because it contains evidence the attack was unprovoked.
After the February raid by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) of David Koresh's dissident religious community at Waco, Texas, the FBI and the U.S. Army took over, mounting a 51-day siege. This included such psy-war tactics as sleep deprivation of the inhabitants of the community by means of all-night broadcasts of recordings of the screams of rabbits being slaughtered. Finally, despite David Koresh's pledge to surrender upon completion of his written explanation of the meaning of the Seven Seals, the FBI and the Army attacked. At dawn on April 19, 1993, and throughout the morning, tanks rammed holes in the main building and pumped (in the FBI's words) "massive amounts" of CS gas into the building, a gas most nations refuse to use because of it’s lethality, despite knowing that inside were more than a dozen children. The tanks demolished parts of the compound and created tunnels for the wind to blow through. The buildings at this point were saturated with inflammable CS gas and spilled kerosene.
Around midday two U.S. military pyrotechnic devices were fired into the main building, igniting a fire which (because of the holes in the walls allowing the wind to gust through) spread rapidly through the complex of buildings and became an inferno. 74 men, women and children died — including twelve children younger than five years of age. Fire trucks were prevented by the FBI from approaching the inferno. After the compound had burned down, the BATF flag was hoisted aloft to signify 'victory'. Subsequently the burned-out ruin was razed in an attempt to remove all evidence of this premeditated murder of innocent civilians by agents of the U.S. government. Thus occured an atrocity which many Americans believe could never happen in their country. A look at the evidence presented in the film Waco: Rules of Engagement (and in the BBC documentary broadcast in the U.K. on November 28, 1998) shows that it did happen. The lawyer for one of the survivors said at one of the U.S. government 'investigations' (or rather, whitewashes): “In this country when people are accused of a crime they are arrested and given a trial — that's 'due process'. If found guilty of murder then maybe they are killed. We don't just kill them first — which is what happened at Waco.”

You worry about what Bush is doing to your rights? Wake-Up. How easily you were misled by the “facts” manufactured by the media. No way? Yea, you trusted Dan Rather’s version of truth, and the truth of the guy who said he didn’t have sex, too. There’s an old saying, lied to once, believed once. Most quickly believed the child abuse stories, yet none of the survivors has ever said any child abuse occurred. Believing the alternative was just too fantastic. Enough to lead one lunatic to Oklahoma City, to try to wake people up. How quickly you’ve forgotten. Over a dozen infants incinerated, not to mention the women and children, by their government. Try looking at the truth today, now that the people who survived are trying to speak freely, even as the government continues to suppress their right to do so. Just don’t look in the major media, they don’t want to “enlighten” anyone. They’d much rather have you thinking about Paris Hilton’s problems, not your rights.

When the right of free speech is gone, the only thing separating us from a revolution will be the size of our middle class. Should China, or another nation, put us into economic chaos, all that will remain is anarchy. Woe to you on that day, as I for one will be part of a group of millions that will be ferreting out you lunatics who support the silencing of your fellow Americans, or believe all this nonsensical conspiracy garbage . Then, all the gun laws, faith in global warming, and smarmy intellectual superiority you think you possess in the world won't be enough to protect you from we, the people, who still love this country. We will be sanctioned in what we do, as the documents that created this great nation demand us to revolution, should we be threatened with the government usurping of our “God given rights.” This is what it our founder’s said, in case you’ve forgotten- “Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their SAFETY and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established Should not be changed for light or transient causes: and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while EVILS are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Ya’all just might want to keep that in mind.

Posted by: wayne at May 15, 2007 2:10 PM

The "big one" (size, not intellect) works diligently to prove the democrat's belief that STUPIDITY is to be considered an asset.

Posted by: TheEnigma47 at May 15, 2007 2:16 PM

"Also Ross and his supporters should probably look for another country to live in if they can't figure out how to get along with others who have different viewpoints."

What makes you think we can't figure out how to get along with people who have different viewpoints? I haven't heard many tales of Republicans slashing tires, hurling rocks into campaign offices, attempting wide-scale voter fraud, invading someone's apartment and assaulting them because they were conservative, etc. etc. . .but I've read numerous news stories about those on the so-called 'progressive' side of the fence doing ALL of those things. Was that indicative of a liberal tolerance for others' ideas?

Conservatives know how to get along with others just fine. We're the party that pushed equal rights through in the 60's, against predominantly Democratic resistance. .although I imagine you're probably too young to remember that.

The ability to get along with others need not extend to "every ideology has equal value". There is no obligation to get along with those who wish us HARM, or wish to harm our great nation. To think that there is such an obligation is sheer idiocy.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 3:25 PM


Rosie is right, why are you threatened by her? Is it because you are in such denial to the truth!!!

Steel Buildings don't come crashing down perfectly symmetrical at all four corners at free fall speeds due to a couple of fires that are unevenly spread!!!!

Posted by: TRUTH at May 15, 2007 3:59 PM

most of you here probably havent even read a book about 9/11. you still think 'they' attacked us for our freedoms right? any chance you heard about the gulf of tonkin being declassified a year ago? probably not.. how about operation northwoods? maybe the war games that were going on on 9/11? how about sibel edmonds? WTC7?

realize you are ignorant on this subject and start researching. they have you so blinded by this left/right garbage that you can't realize just how corrupt our government has become - on both sides. 9/11 was a shock and awe attack used to facilitate our military industries - which had not had a jolt in spending since the end of the cold war.

read a book by Dr. David Ray Griffin, or a paper by Dr. Steven Jones, or just watch a few videos of WTC7 collapsing - but do something.

Posted by: No thanks at May 15, 2007 4:18 PM

Truth, I'm glad you have a history of seeing what massive buildings do at the time of their collapse after being hit by Jet aircraft that predates 9/11. I will put my money where my mouth is. If you can find me just one person who can prove that they were part of a conspiracy that involved our government, of the the hundreds of people that would be needed to create one, I will work the next year for you and them, and give you ever penny I earn. And I make a very good living. However, if you can not find one, please stop walking around sounding like a moron until you do.

Posted by: Wayne at May 15, 2007 4:25 PM

Same offer to you, poster no thanks.

Posted by: Wayne at May 15, 2007 4:28 PM


Thanks for proving your ignorance on the subject - WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane, and that is what he (and Rosie) were referring to. Go watch a video or two, and be sure to lookup who had offices in the building as it was primarily a federal office (CIA, FBI, secret service, IRS, SEC, etc.), and not for private business like the twin towers.

Posted by: no thanks at May 15, 2007 4:31 PM

TRUTH - What do you know about steel? Are you an engineer? I'm a mechanical engineer, and I am not so deluded as to make a statement about what a steel building will and won't do in a collapse, especially one with an unorthodox structure such as the WTC had. And guess what, it didn't come down perfectly, destruction was spread over several blocks of NYC as a result of the collapse, far beyond the destruction a controlled collapse would have produced. Of course, you wouldn't know that because you've already ruled out the testimony of countless engineers and demolitions crews who have verified that what we were told happened just happens to be, in this case, what happened.

WTC7 was demolished by high speed debris ejected when the collapse of the two main towers reached the ground, a fairly obvious result of the two massive buildings falling, and an equally obvious contradiction of the idea that the towers fell 'neatly'.

And for No Thanks, I'd be disappointed in our military if they WEREN'T wargaming possible scenarios for Iraq well ahead of time. It's called being prepared, as we have done for every potential military conflict our military may encounter since WWII. In this case, as a poster here already said, regime change for Iraq was already in the cards BEFORE Bush took office. Clinton's administration advocated it as well, although Democrat revisionism now attempts to obfuscate that fact.

I have, in fact, read several books about the events leading up to, and on, 9/11. Some required serious critical thinking to realize they were full of half-truths and assumptions. In some of these books, were it not for my engineering education, I wouldn't have been able to identify the erroneous assumptions made by authors who were either mis-informed, or were intentionally misleading their readers.

This so-called 'Truther' movement is nothing but a macroscopic form of paranoia amongst those who lack the knowledge to dispell the tales spun by those who wish to push an agenda. THERE'S the REAL conspiracy.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 4:33 PM

Wayne Buddy, Guess What WTC 7 was never hit by a plane!!!! I guess physics just took the day off on 9-11 why your buddy was reading about pet goats.
You can keep defending the Offical Coincidence Theory all you want, but the TRUTH will prevail


Posted by: TRUTH at May 15, 2007 4:34 PM

In a little over 100 years since steel buildings, or buildings with steel reinforcement, came into existence, NOT ONE TIME - before 9/11 nor since - has a steel building collapsed into its own footprints from raging fire, much less three on the same day and at free-fall speed. It is not a conspiracy that Larry Silverstein admitted with his own mouth on PBS that he gave the order to pull WTC7. Watch his admission for yourself online! It is not a conspiracy that such a controlled demolition, as admitted by the man who owned the building, takes many days or weeks - not a mere few hours - to set up in advance. It is not a conspiracy that this same man happened to own the all three buildings that collapsed that day. It is not a conspiracy that this same man took out a multi-billion dollar insurance policy just six weeks before they were demolished. It is not a conspiracy that WTC7 housed top government agencies, including those investigating a multitude of Enron-like corporate scandals and that all of the paper and digital records were destroyed with Silverstein's controlled demolition. It is not a conspiracy that then-Mayor Rudy Guiliani admitted to Peter Jennings that he received "advance" warning via a telephone call that those buildings were going to collapse (considering that this had never happened before under such circumstances, how could ANYONE have known in advance???). It is not a conspiracy that squibs (quick bursts of smoke shooting out from all sides below the main implosion) can be clearly seen in most all footage from 9/11 (these squibs are commonly associated with controlled demolitions; do a search for videos of controlled demolitions). It is not a conspiracy that millions upon millions of dollars in put options were placed on the only airlines involved yet the government will not reveal who placed these options. It is not a conspiracy theory that, contradictory to the standard procedure in this country, the crime scene was quickly cleaned up and much of it shipped off to China before a thorough and complete investigation was completed. It is not a conspiracy theory that the government would have us believe that somehow one of the terrorist's wallet survived the same fireball that allegedly evaporated him, his alleged co-conspirators, and the alleged passengers, along with the plane itself. These are facts that anyone with common sense can search out and clearly understand. No, the only conspiracy is the 9/11 Commission Report which failed miserably to address and answer the most nagging questions that still haunt most Americans, and this is the reason the 9/11 truth movement is growing at mock speed. The truth will prevail. The sins of those truly responsible will find them out. And, if not judgement here on earth, then judgement when they stand before Almighty God to give an account. Either way, the real perpetrators of 9/11 lose.

Posted by: MORE TRUTH at May 15, 2007 4:39 PM


As for your request, I would suggest you research Sibel Edmonds - the most gagged person in American history. I would tell you what she knows regarding 9/11, but that would be a federal crime thanks to Ashcroft's actions a few years ago regarding her case. I can tell you that she said this:

"But I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally."

Should I tell you about my income, education, or investment properties next to prove my worth to you, or will you join in the chants of kool-aid over that of rational discussion and investigations?

1/4th of this country thinks the government was involved in at least allowing 9/11 to happen - i personally think it is provable in a court of law - why not at least read a book or two on the subject or call for a real discussion about it instead of all the name calling?

ah well, best wishes.

Posted by: no thanks at May 15, 2007 4:41 PM

I suspect, you guys, that he was referring to the main towers, not WTC7. Although it's very like the truther movement to grab even an insinuation of an implication of mis-step in a statement to prove your point. . .since that's all the concrete proof of your version of the story that you'll ever be able to produce.

Physics didn't take a day off. . .but it sounds like you guys may have taken a few days off of physics.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 4:43 PM

Oy ve.

Truth and no thanks, you may be on the right track but you're not looking deep enough. Think Teletubbies, specifically Tinkie Winkie.

Never trusted that little b*stard.

Posted by: A. Cooper at May 15, 2007 4:44 PM

"There are a lot of unanswered and unsatifactory answerd questions concerning the 9/11 attacks which are resonable and articulate"

No, there really aren't. All the people who think the US blew up its own buildings on 9/11 are moonbats.

Posted by: anonEmouse at May 15, 2007 4:49 PM

In addition to all the physical evidence of controlled demolition, there are incidentals like, the put and call options in the week before, proving foreknowledge. All those fine individuals, Silverstein, and employees of various Israeli companies warned not to got to the WTC on 9/11/01. Willie Brown, then mayor of Frisco, warned by condeLIEzza rice not to fly on Sept. 11, 2001. There's also a lesser known story of a gentleman, a former Israeli army soldier who overheard a conversation in a Jewish cemetery in Jersey to the effect that "after Sept. the stupid Americans will understand the meaning of terrorism". This occurred in the early months of 2001. The fact that Giuliani completely took over, and destroyed all evidence at the crime scene.
Other than these few small items, nothing suspicious occurred that day. Yeah right!

Posted by: TRUTH at May 15, 2007 4:53 PM

"In addition to all the physical evidence of controlled demolition. . ."

What evidence EXACTLY? That WTC7 fell? That's not evidence. It fell as a consequence of the other two falling.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 5:02 PM

"What evidence EXACTLY? That WTC7 fell? That's not evidence. It fell as a consequence of the other two falling."

I'm sure what you meant was it fell as a "coincidence" of the other two falling

Well, there were pools of Molten Metal found at the bottom of all three buildings. There are squibs coming out of the twin towers. The fact that no steel building has ever fallen due to fires. Just because steel gets hot, it might begin to loose some integrity, but it doesn't explode outward at free fall speeds. Loads of reports of explosions going off in the building. Oh yeah, and the much smaller buildings like WTC 5 and 6 which has much worse fires, and damage from debris those buildings just didn't come crashing to the ground a free fall speeds like WTC 7. I encourage you to look at some pictures of those smaller buildings.


Posted by: WAKE UP at May 15, 2007 5:08 PM

Know what? Ignore my last question. Arguing with you two (or one) about this issue would be tantamount to trying to teach a 3rd grader differential equations. To believe this Truther nonsense, you must either be ignorant of physics (either by circumstance or willfully), and you must believe a set of circumstances that when together critically examined are so implausible as to rival the unlikelihood of getting stung to death by bees while being hit by lightning on the day you won the lottery.

You will listen to hacks, but discount the reason-based and scientifically based explanations of numerous architects, Popular Science, etc. etc. So what's the point of even discussing it? When you speak on the topic, you do nothing but expose your foolishness to everyone except those few who are as foolish as you. So continue to let Rosie teach you about physics and world events. Hell, I'd bet she doesn't even believe this Truther nonsense. . .but she definitely understands that controversy draws the sheep, who bring the ratings with them.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 5:14 PM

"The fact that no steel building has ever fallen due to fires."

Hah, so says Rosie. If you'd even bothered to investigate such a ludicrous claim you would know it, like the rest of your arguments, are ignorance or outright lies. A steel structure collapsed in San Francisco just two weeks ago because a gasoline tanker caught fire on it.

I suppose the government was behind that too, or will you use the "Oh, that's different because (insert random nonsense here)" argument?

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 5:18 PM

What is most interesting about this thread is that many accept global warming as settled science (even though it isn't presented and claims wildly exaggerated), accept the non-science and crackpot arguments that 9-11 was abetted by West, not Islamists, who,having already attacked WTC in 1993, bragged about 9/11 and how surprised some of hijackers were when they realized they were to be "martyred." (Bin Laden laughs about this in video). Wonders never cease.

Posted by: Shamrock at May 15, 2007 5:23 PM


When you take physics lessons from a stand up comedian your argument is a joke.

Posted by: richfisher at May 15, 2007 5:35 PM

No, I've seen the video of WTC7, and I'll throw that one into the deal, too. See you guys are still spewing out your BS, but I don't have any takers yet. Talk is cheap. Any fool can tear down a house, but it takes a carpenter to build one. Why don't you prove your point, and become national heroes, I've given you incentive. Guess you all have nothing but empty words and hollow theories, huh?

Posted by: Wayne at May 15, 2007 5:43 PM

"Most gagged historian in American history?" Do you really think if the Democrat Misinformation Media Machine could find one credible person to speak on this, they wouldn't plaster them into every American home incessantly? These are people who make up things to try to discredit the President. I think what you mean is that, like you, he can't really prove his statements to the point where the major networks wouldn't get their A** sued off if they brought him forward. Believe me, if they thought they could make it sound credible, they'd do it in a second.

Posted by: wayne at May 15, 2007 6:01 PM

I'm beginning to come around, and now I've got it. The government didn't actually execute Timothy McVey. He had a secret meeting with Bush, Cheney, and Rove, and they came to understand he was right! So they told him about their plans to use remote controlled planes to "do" the WTC, and put all the passengers on Shangrala Island, where they could brain-wash them into becoming Jihadists. Then, they let him wire WTC7, because it housed the offices of his favorite targets. Then, because they knew he was recognizable, they kidnapped Rosie O'Donnell, did a brain transplant, and used Barbara Walters to plant her on ABC, but they did let him announce he was a lesbian, so he wouldn't be lonely his whole life ......Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Wayne at May 15, 2007 6:16 PM

Sounds as reasonable as anything TRUTH and NoThanks had to contribute thus far.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 6:26 PM

If WTC7 was the real target, I'm curious why the gov't would even go to all the trouble of planting explosives in WTC 1 and 2. Why not just fly both planes into 7. Or better yet, why didn't they plant the explosives so the WTC1 and 2 would topple into 7 after the planes hit.

Geesh. This is fun. I could go on all day.

Still, better.

Why didn't the US gov't just take one of their suit case nukes and do downtown the proper way? Had that happened, Bush could've gone straight to marshall law and invade Iraq directly.

The towers did NOT fall symmetrically. The close up clearly showed one side BUCKLING INWARD and the tower 2 top started sliding over. The rest of it pancaked down.

Posted by: h2o273kk9 at May 15, 2007 6:29 PM

Here's a great article on conspiracy theories in general, with a great deal of info on 9/11 in specific.

It does a really good job of illustrating just how ridiculous these ideas are.

Posted by: Yashmak at May 15, 2007 6:47 PM

Fire, from a fuel truck, brought down the San Francisco bridge ramp. Concrete and steel. Not even any load (vehicles) on it at the time.

Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at May 15, 2007 7:00 PM

For an extra taste of Truthiness and very informed debunking of truther idjits, go here:

Read some of that and you'll understand how deranged and imbecilic truthers are.

Posted by: skh.pcola at May 15, 2007 7:10 PM

There is no evidence at all of controlled demolition at any building in the WTC complex. Period. You and the others here posting contrary are fools and are believing deliberate liars.

Posted by: hunter at May 15, 2007 7:14 PM

Ross, that is the best speech that has never been given. It should be on every editorial page in the US. How can we get Bush to deliver it?

Posted by: lonewolf at May 15, 2007 7:33 PM

There is a new paper by Steven Jones on 9-11 posted today at:
Read and be informed.

Posted by: BrianH at May 15, 2007 8:40 PM

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Posted by: Ugh at May 15, 2007 10:30 PM


-Tastes Great!


Rosie's gone ape!

Posted by: tomax7 at May 16, 2007 12:32 AM

Does anyone remember all the hype before the Nov elections in the US, about what the democrats would do to change things. How great Pelosi would be etc. Well guess what, the democratic congress led by Pelosi has a lower approval rating than Pres Bush has. That doesn't bode good for them taking the White House in 2008, and it certainly makes americans thing about a female democrat for President. Wonder what the reaction of the media would be if Pres Bush did give that speech. Bet they would be after him to a faster backtrack than Duceppe did.

Posted by: mary T. at May 16, 2007 12:43 AM

The only unexplained question I have is how can a couple of moonbat trolls get most of the saner commentors fixated on trying to explain 9-11? The same logical facts and data come out but a Rosie can fart through her brain and it starts all over. Now if the trolls actually had something besides a "friend of a cousin heard about someone who thought they saw..."

Posted by: texas canuck at May 17, 2007 12:54 AM

Why do people care what Rosie has to say? For gosh sakes this women is hanging upside down on national tv for control of depression. She needs to drink something more than kool-aid. One can only hope that her kool-aid is made by jim jones!

Posted by: Bama l at May 17, 2007 1:38 AM