Canada's best PM warren implies... isn't that Chretien guy he's standing with also Canada's most corrupt PM also?

Or am I just naive?

To be a "progressive" means that there are right and wrong forms of racism, bigotry, and anti-religious hatred.

For instance, on any given "progressive blog" you will find the term "Jesus freak" being bantied about, while in the same breath they'll utter cries of Islamophobia at the notion that Islamic terrorists exist.

While wagging their fingers at suggestions that there is endemic poverty on reserves as somehow being racist, in the next breath they'll call you a "knuckle dragger"

etc,

etc,

etc.

Because its the "correct" form of racism, they act with self-proclaimed moral impugnity.

They are correct after all.

It's the same type of double standard that always one to wave around a purple dinosaur at Stockwell Day. It's okay to make fun of Christians (but not RC's) but you're a bigot if you make fun of the religion of peace.

other than my riding, the libranos are in very poor shape in eastern Ontario....WK is just doing what corrupt morons do best, hurl as many insults and derogatory comments as possible, and hope a few stick....he can call us knuckledraggers all he likes, but it will not gain that corrupt crew one more vote outside of my riding....after chimpy mcliar broke his word, and hit us with his health care TAX, any support they picked up in the last election is vanishing fast.....like SR and his beer and popcorn analogy, WK is only re-inforcing what eastern Ontarions hate most about that slimy crew....and as for the ad in the Whig, it is not a sign of desperation, but one of showing the populist nature of the party, reaching out to the local community for the best person possible....

What that's saying about glass houses and throwing stones?

ny house is made of plexi-glass, and I am throwing rubber balls...

seriously, when in a gun fight, do not pull out a knife....sad to say, but the libranos have been hurling those kind of insults ever since the early days of Reform.....I have been called bigot, racist, fascist, nazi, mysoginist, and the list goes on....I think the slime ball crew can handle a few insults back their way.....get a backbone Jose

... And now, a few words from Randy Hillier ...

Why are rural landowners under attack?

And ready to demand a return to democracy & justice?

Why do we need property rights entrenched in our Constitution? Here is the government's plan and strategy to attack rural landowners and their economy. TAKING our land-For their use. [...]

Join the rural landowners, farmers and small business - to fight for democracy's return and a Canadian Bill of Rights - not Government Wrongs. All these intolerable acts are the result of our lost property rights. The Landowners are resolved to make Parliament restore "Our right to own, use, enjoy and earn a living on our private property" - free from the unnecessary and intrusive urban regulations that have closed our sawmills, slaughtered our abattoirs, broken the back of our family farms, threatened our maple syrup producers and clear-cut personal freedom and liberty from our woodlots and lands.

In conjuction with:

* Lanark Landowners' Association (LLA)
* The Renfrew County Private Landowners Association (RCPLA)
* Ontario Property & Environmental Rights Alliance (OPERA)
* Hastings County Property Rights coalition
* Glengarry Landowners association
* Leeds & Grenville landowners association
* Prescott/Russell landowners association
* Dundas & Stormont Landowners association
* York& Durham landowners Association
* Simcoe County Landowners association (more)
http://www.ruralrevolution.com/website/

Warren is just doing what he is paid to do. He is trying to change the channel to divert attention away the Ontario Liberals' slush fund, which some are calling Adscam II.

It is hard to say whether Warren actually believes this crap. But he does know who is is appealing to. Now we have a name for it: the urban bigot. Your description nails it. Thanks Kate.

Careful Kate, maybe WK was about to put you in his blogroll...

Well, MK did mention SDA in the NP today.

In his biography on his blog he still lists "Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov" (Lenin) as one of his "heroes". Say no more...

What is it about guys with receding hairlines, sagging chins and pencil necks and the faux tough guy talk?

Sounds like a midlife testosterone shortfall to me.

Cue the hissy fit.

Pedantically:

What gets me is they're not even using the right word. When they say "cowboy" they tend to mean "gunslinger" -- two very different jobs in the Wild West.

Always s/b allows

"... dehumanize that other class of Canadians who haul their goods, grow their food, build their homes, drill their oil - it isn't news either."

Well said. But, of course, they really never stop to think where their goods come from, how the goods got to where they are, nor how those homes just pop up like mushrooms. The electricity flows from the wall socket, the gasoline flows from the filler hose, and the milk shows up on the shelf in a plastic bottle. It's all magic... really. Until it stops. Instantly, of course, it's somebody else's fault.

So, I gues I am also one of those rural, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, under-educated, ill-informed, overly-armed, redneck, pickup truck cowboys, amongst more of the same ilk in fly-over country. But who will these urban bigots (excellent description)turn to if or when the SHTF big time? Any guesses?

with all due rspect, there are plenty of red-necked, knuckle-dragging, mouthbreathing types lving among us enlightened urban dwellers also.

in toronto, we call them stockbrokers.

Whoops! Somehow I forgot to add "inbred".

Kinsella knows that if you sling enough mud, some of it will stick. For all of their complaints about "negative advertising", the Liberals don't really know any other type of campaigning.

Jeff, I guess working for a living in the private sector would seem prehistoric for you enlightened types.

maz2: "slaughtered our abattoirs"

Quite possibly the funniest three words I've ever read at SDA.

Urban Bigot...I like that.
I'm so tired of urban bigots.

Good, keep it up Liberals, you're just p!ssing off the farmer and rurals even more which helps Conservatives.

A lot of the Landowners were ready to abandon John Tory but if the Libs keep attacking Randy like this then it might rally their support.

Smitherman + McGuinty = Ad$cam II.

Ontario Librano$.
...-

New demands for 'slush fund' probe

[Ontario Liberal]Smitherman gave posts to four directors of Iranian Canadian group that got grants (TO Star)...-

More from Smitherman: The Urban Bigot.

National Post
Mr. Smitherman claimed Hillier is a “hurt machine. Every time he opens his mouth, it’s to divide up Ontario and demonstrate some way in which he is distinct ...-

Ok, so a poll...

I am a:

(check one)

___ Proud, rural, inbred, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, under-educated, ill-informed, overly-armed, redneck, pickup truck cowboy.

___ Conflicted, urban, latte-sipping, strap-hanging, overly-educated, well-informed, well-groomed, trendedly-dressed, MSM-addicted, politically-motivated, conspiracy-driven, BDS-suffering warren-dweller.

___ None of the above, because Im two stewpid so Im stuk in Wawa.

Being Kinsella means never having to apologise for being a smug toxically elitist sectarian....the man personifies the Fed-Lib insider psyche:

urban-centric
self absorbed
sactimonious
urbane vulgarity
deeply amoral
intensely craven
morbidly underhanded

Virtually polar opposite of the grass roots populism that thrives in rural Canadian culture.

I don't know why Kinsella's incivility and philistine vulgarity comes as a shock. We've seen displays of it for decades....the only good thing about Kinsella's latest puerile name calling is that this is a sign of a desparation.....a plea for the limelight... he realizes he's a spent force politically and the only way to get noticed these days is make outrageous and overtly uncouth public statements.

"Hey lookit me media guys...it's Warren over here..'member me?...wanna hear some more potty mouth while I pull my pee pee"...awww cummon...take a picture ..come back come back...I'll throw some of my own poo poo at Randy like a sick little monkey...how's that? will it get me front page G&M??"

Pathetic...Warren the rapidly fading scat ranger for hire, out of the big leagues and reduced to suckling a hind teat on McGuinty's dying carcus.

If I was Randy, I'd confront him in public over his insults and challenge him to back his words like a man just to watch him cower.....he's the ultimate coward and I have seen him run for cover threatening law suits to anyone who has offered to install speed bumbs in his insulting yap.

Good, keep it up Liberals, you're just p!ssing off the farmer and rurals even more which helps Conservatives.

A lot of the Landowners were ready to abandon John Tory but if the Libs keep attacking Randy like this then it might rally their support.

Ontario, 2001

total rural pop- 1,747,499

total urban pop- 9,622,547

hillier's a nutjob and just another problem for john tory.

I wouldnt read anything more into WK other than he is following his script, attack when attacked and exagerate (he would say put a spotlight) on the grain of truth flaw.

BTW I am not justifying. Just saying this is what you will see. Standard Operating Procedure. Sometimees it works sometimes it doesnt.

Well it is obvious where all this stuff comes from.

http://www.shitfromhell.com/band.htm

When you go out of your way to extol the 'virtues' of a band which names itself:

"Shit From Hell"

This pretty much describes the malfeasance, insult and abuse Canadians have experienced over the course of the LIEberal 'run with the money gang'.

Maybe Warren Kinsella needs to take the Sheryl Crow 'One Square Challenge'.

I think he will find the experience woefully inadequate.

Let me only suggest that a thorough 'soul-laundering experience' might be helpful.

Contact your confessor today!

Kate

I was wondering when you'de get around to WK's latest NP opus. Hmmmm....rebarbative eh.... so by comparison could Musings be called retarded?

Can we expect the Oracle of all things Online to be making an appearance on Adler? More importantly, will you be handing him his ass again?

And finally, Warren states that one commentor at SDA was recently laughing at him. I thought the mockery was pretty much unanimous.

This pompous, preening, pissant deserves all the ridicule he can garner. I suppose his next piece will be about the bully in grade six who stole his lunch money...well that or Shelia Copps' genitals.

Oh...the humanity!!!

Syncro

Jeff: I would'nt call Hillier a nut job just yet...he's a regular guy who has bee radicalized by personal attacks and oppression by the provincial government...the areas where the landowners associations thrive are all productive agrarian and forestry areas...all have been POed for a long time at Toronto's urban-centric regulating lor non urban land use...under McGuinty the regulatory agencys have become abusive and disrespectful of land owners....it's a festering issue that will resonate even with urban conservatives and small town Ontario.

Kinsella and his type will never amount to being any more than the Canadian equivalent of a Mob lawyer. That's what he and his type do. He may not be corrupt himself, but he made his living by acting as a spokesman for people who were. If he didn't know the Libs were corrupt, he was either stupid or just wilfully ignorant. By acting as a Liberal spokesman, he thus gave his stamp of approval to the corruption. From there, we judge accordingly.

Well it is obvious where all this stuff comes from.

http://www.sh*tfromhell.com/band.htm

When you go out of your way to extol the 'virtues' of a band which names itself:

"Sh*t From Hell"

This pretty much describes the malfeasance, insult and abuse Canadians have experienced over the course of the LIEberal 'run with the money gang'.

Maybe Warren Kinsella needs to take the Sheryl Crow 'One Square Challenge'.

I think he will find the experience woefully inadequate.

Let me only suggest that a thorough 'soul-laundering experience' might be helpful.

Contact your confessor today!

Dumb question... Whats Warren puckering up for?

"Maybe Warren Kinsella needs to take the Sheryl Crow 'One Square Challenge'."

Hans, there's no way you could cover a butt hole that big with one square.

It's a puzzle why Kinsella plays at being the sophisticate. After all, he was the proud adviser to the most corrupt and thuggish government this country has seen in 60 years.

In light of his naivete regarding the spam incident, I use the word "adviser" very loosely.

It's the journalistic equivalent of a hiring a 15 year old...

As a parent of teenagers i think that comparison is extremely unfair - to teenagers.

WK's punk-rocker-style contempt for conservativism, seems to be blended with a boomer's sense of entitlement and self-satisfaction. What is amazing (and actually a bit of an accomplishment) is how he is making a living selling his own bath water.

A Western Redneck anyday over an eastern slimeneck.

Urban bigot or just plain old urban blight?

Punk rock is what loser garage bands play at to pretend they are musicians.

Kinsella is great pretender. In many ways.

A child in a large child's body.

It appears he is frightened of real men and calls them names.

It is interesting that his grand ami, Jean Cretin, came close to a mouth-breathing knuckle dragging thug than anyone I have ever met in the West.

I happened to take a peek at Warren's site yesterday and got that post!
Seems that Punky Kinsella is continuing his function as a LIbrano flack! Only thing is that I doubt the publisher is paying him to do that.
Contact the NP and let them know what's real!
NP contact
The more the world sees of Kinsella the smaller he gets so let's help him find the doorway out and he can go back to connecting his bicycle pump to his ear as a means of inflating his cranium!

I remember Ralpha Benmergui when he had a television show on the CBC. He would regularly refer to Albertans as rednecks, and from the way he said it, it was clearly not a complement. He meant closed-minded bigots.

That such regional bigotry was allowed to thrive on the CBC is not something I will soon forget.

I did, however, notice the following note on Ralph on Wikipedia:

... his television series have generally received poor ratings and critical reviews; Canadian media pundits chastized the CBC for its repeated attempts to create news or information television shows with him as host.

"- by suggesting spammers could be controlled through legislation in Canadian parliament."

Typical liberal philosophy through and through: The answer to all problems is more government.

Kinsella is still a liberal's liberal.

CBCpravda would regularly call Albertans rednecks. I might have been offended if the origin of the word didnt stem from hardworking.

They would never have been caught or even considered calling Quebecers pepsi's or frogs- we would have had a national inquiry run by Bob Rae. who incidently they wouldnt have called a pinko.

The ignorance of people like WK is truly astounding.
Surely, they must take classes to specialize in and hone their arrogance and stupidity?

He's running out of suckers. No one in Ottawa will hire him. After the Ontario election in October, he'll be finished.
(BTW, I hear he writes the National Post column for free).

Warren Kinsella has a reputation as a scrapper. But he is surely the only fighter extant whose ring record has been built up by virtue of the fact that he retains, at ringside, a lawyer whose job it is to sue the first opponent who lays a glove on his client.

A few months ago a blogger provided links to various bloggers who had been threatened with legal action by Kinsella over what appeared in each case to be merely missed jabs. I was surprised by two things: the trivial nature of the apparently actionable slights, and the way the threatened bloggers backed down, always on the basis that they didn't have the funds to respond.

It's instructive to note that when Kathy Shaidle squirted her water-bottle at WK's lawyers and started punching, his only response was to viciously insult her appearance.

The man is a bully. When you use your money -- power -- to push other people around, there's no other word for it.

Kinsella calling SDA "rebarbative" is like Paris Hilton calling June Callwood an "airheaded party-girl."

Warden Chinchilla makes me chuckle. He slams the Tories for advertising for a candidate in a Liberal stronghold of Kingston, & meanwhile the Libs are desperately seeking a "warm body" to run in Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock. I guess they figure notorious "red neck" Laurie Scott, will capture all the "knuckle dragger" votes in this rural riding. What a fool!

During the last federal election, I did read Warren's blog regularly, even though I was voting Conservative. Warren's posts offered a interesting take on what the Libs were doing wrong and I found his words illuminating.

But Warren, you are way beyond your depth here. Using your bully pulpit to rail against that which you have superficial knowledge of actually WEAKENS the efforts of those of us who do know what we are up against in combatting spam. I'd know - I combat the crap as part of my $dayjob.

With over 20 e-mail addresses in use personally, I actually get maybe two or three spams a week. That's it. No, I'm not using any super-fancy technology on these e-mail accounts. I just choose my mail providers wisely. My ISP has pretty good filters. Google's G-Mail has outstanding filters. And the hosts I use for my various domains have awesome anti-spam tools automatically deployed.

If you are getting a massive amount of spam in todays mail, you need to threaten to switch providers. The technology is there to block the crap. Spammers don't give a rats ass about anyone's legislation. And Warren, if you knew anything about reading e-mail headers you might realize than a spammer bouncing their crap through an open server in Russia is laughing at your article right now.

Stick to what you know Warren - political commentary. Leave the technical wizbang to us propellerheads. Thank you very much.

I just can't escape the urban bigots. Having left the prairies after 25 years, I move to quiet rural Lanark County in Ontario. Last Saturday, I joined a like minded democratic group of card carrying Ont. P.C.s to nominate a candidate to represent our new riding. Its a huge riding, like you'd see out West, about the population of P.E.I.
It has the same boundaries as the Federal riding. Except it only has 1 M.P. Anyway a large number crowded in the Perth community centre - aka the Hockey arena and on the first ballot Mr. Hillier won over the other 2 candidates. And now because he may be blunt and honest - not Politically correct or bow and scape to his bettors in the city he is vilified by the Liberal party. Smitherman calls him names as does Kinsella.

here is a seried of headlines from CTV(tass)- this is the stuff the looney left preach.- this under the entertainment section.

Michael Moore faces probe over trip to Cuba
Akon apologizes for dirty dance with 14-year-old
Instrument Bank's gift of music is priceless
Fight breaks out in audience of Boston Pops concert
'American Idol' down to the final three
Jay Manuel to host 'Canada's Next Top Model'
HBO chief ousted after arrest for alleged assault
Paris Hilton: 'Ready to face the consequences'
'Extreme Makeover' star charged with DUI

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You know, I kind of feel sorry for you Canadian conservatives, but there is a big part of me (my Wild Western part, undoubtedly) that thinks, "why do you folks let the lefties get away with it?"

Obviously not all is roses down here in the Real America, but neither is the situation so intolerable. Your left is so wishy washy, you could actually do something and they would just sit around and wonder "how did this happen up here in Berkeley North?"

Things will not improve on their own, and taking some action might inspire fence-sitters South of the border.

Musically he's "Sh!t from Hell"

Politically he's "LibSh!t from Hell"

Elvis he ain't .....

Sorry, Eric, I'm not buying it. yes, the political culture in Canada is overall more to the left than the United States, but your left blazes incandescently.
Good lord, where do i start... Michael moore's awards? Ward churchill? The rabid and huge population over at the daily kos?
I'd say the situation is equally intolerable. Why do you let them get away with it?

As I have posted many times, there is a world of difference between the 'labour-left' and the 'latte/basket-weaving loony-left'.

It is abundantly clear which camp Warren Chinchella is in.

At one time I had some respect for him. After all, he helped rid Canada of the most dangerous PM we ever had, PMPM.

But it is easy to see that he had other axes to grind and would have otherwise let PM follow Mo's directions to Loonville.

Oh yes, Warren. Next time you see JC, ask him if he still believes in da 'hockey stick graph'. Most Canadians would not even associate with someone that is such a sucker. Let alone idolize him.

Oh yeah, WK. Remember when you said Baird cannot win against the so-called kyoto world ?? Well even that bastion of loons, France, saw the light and turfed the kyoto-kult and burka nonsence crowd.

Oh yeah, and Warren. I am in Ottawa now. I listened to Lowell's CFRA radio this morning. His guest, Andrew Coyne (know him ?) shot down all the loonie's ideas, IMO. 'Unfinished Canadians'. WK is a shinning example of the result, for he is both an 'unfinished Canadian' and at the same time a 'finished' Canadian. IMO.

But does Warren care ?? Nope, doesn't give a sh** ... from hell, of couse.

Kinsella is a liar. He deliberately concocts lies, then re-tells them until they become ingrained in the public psyche. It's a trick that Goebbels used.

When Mr. Kinsella refers to "the Ontario Conservative Party's red-necked, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing candidate in Lanark-Frontenac-Lennox and Addington", it looks pretty clear to me that he is talking specifically about Randy Hillier, and not about an entire class of Canadians who haul goods, grow food, build homes, and drill oil. You've misrepresented what he said. And when you consider the myriad juvenile attacks on Stephane Dion (just an example) that you have allowed to stand here, don’t you think you’re on rather shaky ground?

Anyway, from what I’ve read, it seems to me that Mr. Hillier might be a better fit with the CPC than with Ontario’s PC party.

"There exists in our society a certain class of progressive that uses the word "cowboy" an insult.

Unless, of course, they're in the company of cowboys."

... Ann Coulter says she feels safe wherever she goes because she keeps the company of conservative men.

... Keep the company of "progressive" men, and be prepared to defend yourself as they either run away or cringe on the ground and shout, "stop victimizing me!"

I think the conversation is degrading, Lloyd Fister compared WK to the Nazi's (Geobbels). Let us be slightly more highbrow pls.

"It's a puzzle why Kinsella plays at being the sophisticate."

Because he is constantly apologizing to the eastern liberal patrician cliques he runs in for being a "redneck" from Calgary.

You can't join the inside circles of the Grit skull and bones society unless you are from established aritocratic Grit families and have linage in easten Canada and can trace your "gritness" back to the fist anti-royalist bureaucrtic termite who established a colonial kleptocracy in Bytown.

Westerners aren't invited or trusted. Warren is self concious of the "western" stink on him and he over compensates with a smarmy eastern Grit hubris, an urbane pretense and in loudly denouncing the culture of Canada outside the Grit metropolis.

He just want's so badly to be a Grit "bonesman" ;-) .... Pathetic.

Crabgrass,

You need to re-read Kate's post. It was quite obvious to me that the entire point of the post was what she considered NEWSWORTHY.

Somebody receives a death threat.
[That is awful, but it has been happening since time began. As has climate change.]

But the someone thinks this time is worse.
[The Kyoto Kult also says this time it's worse]

And the someone thinks govmit intervention on the Internet is essential. Gov't control.
[Carbon credits are the answer. Gov't control.]

mmmm, thought I had seen this play before. Perhaps tougher on crime is the answer. Liberals, the latte-left, is against that.

ebt said: "You know, when you agreed to pay off this particular debt to the Liberal Party in this particular way, you got snookered. (...)
We've seen a few too many examples lately of the kind of sick, dirty twisted little creep who works for the Liberals. Does the Post take pride in employing one of the few that didn't have to be imported from a foreign hellhole? Did you buy the Post so you could bully girls with it?"

Hmmm I always wondered what the Librano family had on Dave Asper to make him hire their corporate character assassin. He's only semi literate, as politically popular as genital herpes at a Liberal youth convention and more vulgar than GTA taxi driver,..why/how's he rate a column in the Post?

What have the Grit bonesmen got on the Aspers?

BTW I cancelled my online subscription when they hired him...I felt no need to pay to read his craven name calling.

ebt said: "You know, when you agreed to pay off this particular debt to the Liberal Party in this particular way, you got snookered. (...)
We've seen a few too many examples lately of the kind of sick, dirty twisted little creep who works for the Liberals. Does the Post take pride in employing one of the few that didn't have to be imported from a foreign hellhole? Did you buy the Post so you could bully girls with it?"

Hmmm I always wondered what the Librano family had on Dave Asper to make him hire their corporate character assassin. He's only semi literate, as politically popular as herpes at a Liberal youth convention and more vulgar than GTA taxi driver,..why/how's he rate a column in the Post?

What have the Grit bonesmen got on the Aspers?

BTW I cancelled my online subscription when they hired him...I felt no need to pay to read his craven name calling.

Crabgrass - the point you've avoided is that the epithets he chose to sling at Hillier are rooted in a type of bigotry towards rural, blue collar lifestyles that is utterly unacceptable when directed at any other "identifiable" group. It doesn't matter what individual he directed them at or if that person is deserving of criticism.

The left likes to play identity politics and wrap it in speech rules to avoid true political discourse. Fine. If those are the rules, then it's time to damned well play by them.

It's well past time we started holding their feet to the fire when they single out Christians, westerners and other groups associated with conservative thought for personal denigration and dehumanizing commentary.

The words Kinsella used suggest his target falls somewhat short of being as a full-fledged human being. Had Randy Hillier been a candidate in pre-civil rights era, and born of a black mother, I have no doubt whatsoever that the word "monkey" would have appeared in Warren Kinsella's bigoted little diatribe. Eras may change, but the mentalities stay the same.

That's nasty stuff coming from someone who has been granted access to both political powerbrokers and the national media - and it's high time they were called to explain why they tolerate it.

I assume this is what you are on about ebt: some, like the rebarbative blog "Small Dead Animals" -- where a regular correspondent had earlier suggested that members of my family be sexually assaulted-- thought it was hugely funny.

I didn't take it all that seriously, to be honest. It was obviously a spam scheme. Who could possibly get hurt?

Then, two established Canadian bloggers --Steve Janke and "Bene Diction" -- "

Yeah... "who could get hurt" I bet you peed the matress that nigh Warren....then got up to lash out at things that threaten your paper thin fortitude in your new national media pulpit.

Where to begin on this craven self-serviving cheap shot at WK's blogging competition? Conflicted intersts, for sure...unprofessional and in violation of media industry regulatory ethics..yeah...creepy in its cowering vindictiveness..yeah certainly.

Typical Kinsella...WYSIWYG

Mr Asper I feel a letter coming on to you and the Canadian press council. Perhaps we can solve your problem for you.

Kinsella's such a coward. Most bullies are.

Kinsella's such a coward. Most bullies are.

I just heard Kinsella on Adler blathering about spam.

All he blathered about is what we all already know about spam.

Anything for attention.

I keep on forgetting, just what makes this WK God's gift to Canada and expert on everything? I'd pay more attention to what come out the back end of a horse before I'd psy attention to that weenie. At least the former has a legitimate use in your garden.

The childish pout he has on whenever Kate's name or SDA come up is pathetic and speaks volumes as to his mental maturity.

"To be a "progressive" means that there are right and wrong forms of racism, bigotry, and anti-religious hatred.

For instance, on any given "progressive blog" you will find the term "Jesus freak" being bantied about, while in the same breath they'll utter cries of Islamophobia at the notion that Islamic terrorists exist.

While wagging their fingers at suggestions that there is endemic poverty on reserves as somehow being racist, in the next breath they'll call you a "knuckle dragger"

etc,

etc,

etc.

Because its the "correct" form of racism, they act with self-proclaimed moral impugnity.

They are correct after all."

Biff, I happen to find these comments excessively general and indeed highly offensive. You might want to consider some very basic fact checking before you attempt to smear "progressives" whom you disagree with (which is fine) as racists, bigots, etc.

I define myself as a progressive and fundamentally disagree with all forms of racism, bigotry, and hatred. While I have expressed certain concerns I have with taking religious accommodation and indeed multiculturalism too far (I find cultural relativism extremely problematic), I have tried and believe succeed in being respectful. On the blog I co-write with another person, you will not find anywhere the term "Jesus freak" (I am a practicing Catholic and also take offence at your insinuation that progressive are anti-Christian) nor accusations of islamophobia against anyone who suggests there are Islamic terrorists.

I have always made an effort to be consistent in my position and on my principles. You will find in many of my posts discussions on ethics, moral action, and the need to have strong leadership on the shared principles we as Canadians have (democracy, human rights, respect for human dignity, and the rule of law). There are times where I have fundamentally disagreed with people on issues of policy, religion, and culture but I think I have done so in a respectful manner. In my opinion, civility is one of the most important things that is missing in the "blogosphere" and I, and indeed many progressive bloggers if you had bothered to do research on this issue, am trying to add a little bit of it to the conversation (see my post today on my trouble with the political discourse from all sides on the issue of Afghan detainees).

Please let this be a lesson to be careful with the arguments you make. "Glittering generalities", as the teacher who first taught us extensively about logical fallacies and propaganda used to call it, are not only gross exaggerations and emphasize the extreme rather than the norm, they can also be rather hurtful and insulting to those are the precise opposite of what you accuse them of being.

Thank you.

One thing he got right in that article. For some unknown to me reason, I use bill.gates@microsoft.com every time access to some web page is blocked with a requirement to enter an email address. No idea why I type those characters, or who is bill.gates and what is microsoft.com - my fingers just do it on their own.

Kinsella and his pathetic MSM buds have been issuing, and are issuing, "death threats" daily.

What else would you call; blah blah the earth will burn, .. life will end, ...... computers and airliners will crash at Y2K's midnight, .... aliens are coming to get us --- crop circles blah blah, ... SARS is epidemic , so is west nile ..... we are running out of oil, ...

Do as the lib-govmit says or you will die..

Warren and his ilk are in a panic because they know that if Kate and others are allowed to tell the truth, Kinsella and his buds on the loony left are toast. (The real left, carpenters, plumbers, construction workers, ect will do just fine.)

After all, how would the loons resume' look to a 'real job' interviewer ??

Sorry Warren, you may be a swell guy but you have truly jumped the shark.

Charles diddler just called kinsella "rock star" on his little radio show. This little dweeb kinsella couldn't pack one of the ditzy chicks fiddles, he is just another pathetic lieberal that the media tries in vain to bestow with credibility, as I grow the worthless little pukes food every day out here on the land. Him and all lieberals make me want to quit.

Some of you seem to be missing the point. In our politically correct world (check our charter if you don't believe me), it is impossible for oppressors to be oppressed.

Thus, it isn't possible for white, Christian, heterosexual men to be victims. Since white men aren't covered as a victimized group, then anything goes. If you argue the white men are currently being excluded from most office management type jobs, then you are a racist, because only a racist would think oppressors were victimized.

Does everybody understand, now?

For those of you asking "what do the librano$$ hold over the Aspers, that they need employ the one eyed mangey attack dog of the most corupt group of thieves ever to hold office?"
Izzy's Museum, built with our issy moany.

Kate writes: "the point you've avoided is that the epithets he chose to sling at Hillier are rooted in a type of bigotry towards rural, blue collar lifestyles that is utterly unacceptable when directed at any other "identifiable" group. It doesn't matter what individual he directed them at or if that person is deserving of criticism.

The left likes to play identity politics and wrap it in speech rules to avoid true political discourse. Fine. If those are the rules, then it's time to damned well play by them."

So because a nitwit named Kinsella writes these things, you get to paint an entire political spectrum (left and progressive) with the hypocrite brush?

I'm Sorry. I rudely interupted your caboose of thought. Please continue. I believe you were saying something very funny about identity politics and using it to avoid true political discourse.

It isn't just Kinsella. Add Scott Bryson and Mark Tewksbury to that, and any number of other progressive lefties in both politics and media who think that these terms are completely acceptable slurs to use against percieved conservatives. That's the problem. Nobody, but nobody, thinks there's a bloody thing wrong in it.

If the left side of the political spectrum wants not to be painted with a brush, then they should step up and object to it as well.

This post is cruel.
Mr. Kinsella will now have to cry himself to sleep...

Well, I agree with you there. Cowboys are viewed differently than, say, gays are. Maybe the solution is the same as what the gays did to make people realize it wasn't ok to make fun of them. I say Cowboys should hold a parade. They could call it Cowboy Pride Parade. They could wear oversized hats, spurs, leather chops, and make a big banner to carry that shows their noble history of living and wrangling on the open land. Maybe a rainbow?

Its alsway cute when "progressives" get all moist about being called urban bigots, then proceed to demonstrate that, in fact, that's exactly what they are. Right, Ted?

Here is why Punk Rocker has his punk-filled, Rotten Johnny drawers 'round his ankles: Property owners telling Liberal Slush-Fund McGuinty's bureauc-rats to: Back Off, Government.

This is the work of Randy Hillier, aka,
"the Ontario Conservative Party's red-necked, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing candidate in Lanark-Frontenac-Lennox" - Warren Kinsella.

Go, get 'em, Randy.
...-

Landowners group descends on winery to protest health officials’ demands

A family-owned fruit winery that was hailed as an Eastern-Ontario success story when it opened last year was the scene of a confrontation between landowners' rights activists and health inspectors Wednesday.

Two dozen members of the Ontario Landowners' Association amassed unannounced at the Countryman's Estate Winery near Prescott and demanded area health unit officials cease their demands for costly upgrades to the facility. [...]

Instead, the two officials were peppered with questions and comments about their sudden attention to the Countryman operation by carloads of frustrated landowners who pulled in just after they arrived.

"Why are you harassing the Countrymans, who are just trying to make a living?" asked rally organizer Jacqueline Fennell. Area farmer Gill Cyr told the officials, "we're not at the government trough looking for funding. We just want to be left alone."

Spencerville egg producer Shawn Carmichael, who has had highly publicized run-ins with regulators and food inspectors, said the health unit "must have a pile of money" to be able to spend time inspecting the Countrymans' operation. ...-
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=59403b4e-673a-4729-b83b-c0c663b5bfc7&k=0

"It isn't just Kinsella. Add Scott Bryson and Mark Tewksbury to that, and any number of other progressive lefties in both politics and media who think that these terms are completely acceptable slurs to use against percieved conservatives. That's the problem. Nobody, but nobody, thinks there's a bloody thing wrong in it.

If the left side of the political spectrum wants not to be painted with a brush, then they should step up and object to it as well."

Many have. I think one of the best examples of it is the Euston Manifesto.

Michael: Just read your whining and finger wagging chastizing of Biff.

So you're a "progressive" eh!

I hope you realize how arrogant and supercilious a concept “progressivism” is. It makes the rest of us what? “regressive” or “stagnant”?

Why not just stick to “liberal”. The term comes with positive and negative connotations, but in it’s purest (pre-trudeau) form is what most of us are.

“Progressive”, on the other hand, is by any definition exclusive, bigheaded, elite, and above all, the province of Jack Layton and others like him who have, whether you like it or not, claimed it as their own.

“Progressia” has become Socialist Utopianism … go ahead and create your own definition for yourself, but you’ll be judged by those more public than you who wrap themselves in the “progressive” flag.

So frankly, I completely agree with Biff.

That would be as opposed to white necks, manicured draggers and nose breathing. A superior argument from a superior mind. How can anybody top that?
Sometimes, when would be politicians talk, it is hard to listen; it seems to hurt the brain.
How can anybody take this character seriously when he insults the working people? Bet you he is a socialist and pays major lip to the working class, then again if you are a socialist, you just pretend anyway to fool the masses.

Michael,

I had a gander at your blog.

Funny, you don't seem to mind generalizing about "conservatives" all over the place. Indeed, you don't seem to have a problem with suggesting someone is a "conservative" merely because they disagree with your point:

"An anonymous (and likely Conservative) commenter ..."

Now,

why don't you take your condescending finger wagging back to your little liberal coccoon, where it belongs. Your nice furry comfy place where you are free to cast aspersions on others while committing the very same acts which you decry,

all with the moral certainty and self righteousness that only a "progressive" could possess.

And oh,

Thank you.

Skip blathered: "Its alsway cute when "progressives" get all moist about being called urban bigots, then proceed to demonstrate that, in fact, that's exactly what they are. Right, Ted?"

I dunno Skip. Depends what you mean. If you mean then I'm sexually turned on by the conversation then... maybe...

If you're saying that I have a problem with name-calling as opposed to bigotry then you've missed the mark.

I find name calling amusing for the most part. E.g. Taliban Jack is name calling (in addition to being informative and amusing), but not bigotry. I have a problem with bigotry.

I think the real issue here, the one that Kate was driving at (wait a tic... yup, now I'm getting turned on!) was the same as what some of your fellow cons were shooting for; they can't stand moral righteousness among the fallen, like Kinsucka.

Besides, I'm just poking fun at Kate. I think she's probably right for the most part. The moral righteous are insufferable. Kinsella does suck, is a hypocrite, and so forth. Her generalizations aren't my cup of tea, but if I wanted a scholarly analysis I wouldn't read a blog -- any blog -- I just saw an opening to make a bit of fun. I don't think anyone but you took it too seriously.

Here's the deal: Warren Kinsella will have a woody going through these 84 comments. He could care less the nature of the commentary about him. That there is attention coming his way is all that matters. I'm not a shrink, but I think the guy may be a sociopath. The only way to silence Warren Kinsella is to stop reading him and stop writing about him.

And don't buy gas on May 15th!

Kinsella is definitely a sociopath. He does get a ngry when he is mocked.

Kinsella is definitely a sociopath. He does get angry when he is mocked.

"Michael" sez: "I define myself as a progressive and fundamentally disagree with all forms of racism, bigotry, and hatred."

Mike I feel compelled to jump in here to help correct some of your misinterpretations of "progressiveism".

First, "Progressives" DO NOT hold a monopoly on being repulsed by incivility and inhumanity (bigotry, racism etc.) The fact is these "evils" were first acted upon by Chritian reformers and were a main plank in 18th century libertarian/republican thinking...the concepts of all men being equal before law was a machination of the British and French libertarianism which grew out of tenets of the reform church. Christian reformers in the UK and their counterparts in the US were the active force to abolosh slavery in western culture...although it is very much alive in Mid East and Asian culture.
So the core justifications for "progressivism" wave long been established in proper civil western culture.

Second, I tend to mock most of what is labeled "progressive" thought because so little of it is actually progressive.

The core of nodern political progressivism seems to be the omnipotent state with sweeping power and an inverted mandate not to serve the public, but to mold and engineer it (with a large dollup of enforced control). I see nothing "progressive" in a ideology or mindset that uses the brute force of government to bludgeon people into confoming to your way of thinking...there is nothing "progressive" about someone presuming to have the moral or divine authority to impose their views on others "for their own good". Modern political progressivism rejects free will concensus for enforced social engineered edicts.

In my obsevations self proclaimed "progressives" come in 2 varieties:

1) Sanctimonious secular busibodies who hound us incessantly imposing their world view on us through the subversion of the purpose of government....this type see evil lurking in the most innocent places and are the torch bearers of social wich hunts.

OR

2) Megalomanic ideologues who want to force their utopian "vision" on us by autocratic decrees or political stealth.

In any event from my experience there is nothin less "progressive" than a self professed progressive.

I adhere to the universally ethical tennets of classic liberal democtats who hold that the highest moral and ethical plane a government can aspire to is to leave people alone to exercise their free will and liberty...they need to be listened to not lectured to, responded to not given directives, set free not enslaved in a morass of regualtory tyranny.

But I suppose that is not "progressive"...seems the only thing "progressive" is any idea that furthers the enslavement of the individual to either the state or the mob.

Cjunk sez: "Why not just stick to “liberal”. The term comes with positive and negative connotations, but in it’s purest (pre-trudeau) form is what most of us are. "

On the money C-Junk!...I see most Canadians are liberal... myself included...there is a distinct departure however from classic liberalism in the post Trudeau liberal idologies...neo-liberalism is distinctly statist, intrusive, manipulative, elitist, corrupting, uncivil and amoral...a vast departure from pre Trudeau Canadian liberalism( which I feel the CPC embodies policy wise)

Laurier would not recognise the ideals and politics at play in modern "progressive" liberalism.

"Michael,

I had a gander at your blog.

Funny, you don't seem to mind generalizing about "conservatives" all over the place. Indeed, you don't seem to have a problem with suggesting someone is a "conservative" merely because they disagree with your point:

"An anonymous (and likely Conservative) commenter ..."

Now,

why don't you take your condescending finger wagging back to your little liberal coccoon, where it belongs. Your nice furry comfy place where you are free to cast aspersions on others while committing the very same acts which you decry,

all with the moral certainty and self righteousness that only a "progressive" could possess.

And oh,

Thank you."

Biff, I am not the only writer of the blog. In fact, most of the recent posts are by the blog's co-writer so please be very careful when you state that I said something. Look at the author of the particular post you are referring to. At least try to get your facts straight please.

WL Mackenzie Redux

Thanks for the history lesson, but that was not necessary. You did not inform me of anything I didn't already know (give me a little credit for being intelligent). I know about the origins of liberalism, of ideas of progress, and indeed about cosmopolitanism (I called myself progressive and do so, in part, because most people don't seem to know what a liberal cosmopolitan is and even then, there are a number of important variations which I need to explain in order to establish my position on it; legal vs. moral cosmopolitanism, etc.).

"The core of nodern political progressivism seems to be the omnipotent state with sweeping power and an inverted mandate not to serve the public, but to mold and engineer it (with a large dollup of enforced control). I see nothing "progressive" in a ideology or mindset that uses the brute force of government to bludgeon people into confoming to your way of thinking...there is nothing "progressive" about someone presuming to have the moral or divine authority to impose their views on others "for their own good". Modern political progressivism rejects free will concensus for enforced social engineered edicts."

Well this is a very interesting statement. I think you are taking extreme elements who call themselves "progressive" and are using this to define what a progressive is. If you look closely, I think you will find that the majority of progressive do not share these views at all. Again, read the Euston Manifesto which I would argue is one of the most important documents from the left in a very long-time. That document outlines what I would call progressivism. We are not Marxist finding new terms to hide Marxist tendencies (I truly despise Marxism because I think it is destructive to individual self-determination, individual creativity, and individual responsibility).

If you want an explanation of liberal cosmopolitanism (which, in particular, influences my foreign policy views that have been called "hawkish", amongst other things) I would be happy to give it but be warned, it would be a very long explanation and even then, I would only be scratching the surface. The application of it is something I intend to spend my life writing and teaching about.

Kate, the only epithet that WK used that I think suggests bigotry (i.e., that you could really argue is widely associated with a rural, blue-collar lifestyle) is "redneck". Terms like "knuckle-dragging" and "mouth-breathing" are to my mind just colourful (okay, they're tired) ways of attacking someone’s intelligence, or, more usually, belief system. I don't associate them with any particular class of individuals, any more than I do words like "idiot" and "dumbass". Don't get me wrong here - I'm not impressed with all of the name-calling in any case, but I don't believe that Kinsella’s remarks reveal the kind of bigotry being suggested here, and I would certainly put them in a different class than use of a word like “monkey” in the context you describe above (May 10 3:12pm). I can barely type that one without grimacing (not suggesting you’re any more comfortable with it, btw).

And though it should not be necessary to point this out, comments that I see here move me to remind everyone that when WK speaks, by no means does he speak for liberal-minded (or Liberal) Canadians everywhere. It is unfortunate but sadly predictable that many of your readers chime in, nodding in agreement that it’s just another example of the hatred and bigotry displayed by liberals (and/or Liberals) time and time again, a generalization that I realize you yourself did not make.

Slick Myxolydian,

We don't have "Human Rights Commissions" that can fine us for saying "faggot." In fact, here in the Bay Area, we can say "faggot" and get excluded from boring company, but beyond that, there is really not much that can be legally done to us.

We also don't have some Protestant German Queenlet on our currency. Instead we have degenerate dead freemasons. It is better that way. I think.