Damian Brooks is in fine form;
Those goalposts keep moving further and further back.One wonders just how quickly these critics who demand instant perfection in the Afghan mission would respond if the government suddenly applied the same standard to, say, climate change: "Incremental progress is out the window! Only absolutely flawless fixes will be acceptable! And if we can't achieve perfection instantly, we'll pull out of the effort entirely - take our ball and go home!"
Time for Travers and Coderre to hammer out the finer points of their plan over a nice, hot cup of SHUT THE HELL UP.
Upperdate: In fact, Michael Byers - who still isn't being identified as the partisan NDP operative that he is - finally comes right out and says it: the greater picture of rebuilding Afghanistan bit by painful bit doesn't matter in the slightest to him and his adherents. All that matters is their one pet issue, and the leverage it can gain them.
Sorry about cousin Denis, he is a real embarrassment. I only tell people who can't see me that I am related. I've had people ask me, and I pretend that I know nothing about politics, and we get along just fine. Anybody who ask's me that question has a real hate on for him, and I just choose not to be associated. I'll take a beating for Conservatism , but not for cousin Deni.
Why do these guys believe we should hug a thug , and degrade our efforts to achieve victory is disgraceful.
I believe this fringes on treason , and whats scarey is that these guys actually gain political clout in the process.Promoting tea parties with the Taliban , inviting them in our country , and then dancing around with the Hezbullah crowd seems to be an accepted mode of behaviour. The Media seems to think it's fine.
Just a steady spue of unpatriotic vomit foams from the mouth of these venom infested betrayers who think nothing of the ill effects their rants have on our troops, nor for the successes achieved to date.It sickens me to see the endless barrage of unfounded claims against our Military while these guys get a free pass day in and day out.
Excuse me , but I have to go and grab my barf bag again. Bla, agghabla blewwg blaaaah.
Mr O'Conner may not be the most polished piece of China,but he's forgotten more than what the opposition will ever know about the military.As far as Taliban Jack is concerned, Nevell Chamberlain has more balls than the entire NDP caucus.
Timothy Coderre
"Only absolutely flawless fixes will be acceptable! And if we can't achieve perfection instantly, we'll pull out of the effort entirely -take our ball and go home!"
How like a Utopian! The left/Libbers and the NDP are Utopian in their thinking, absolutists--and they dare to call others fundamentalists!!
Because their worldview banishes all concepts of fallen human nature (in their world, humanity [huwomanity?] is the apex of creation, well, actually it IS OUR creation) mercy, or forgiveness, it's got to be all or nothing. Either things are done 'perfectly,' meaning to their specifications, to fix whatever needs fixing NOW, or Utopians have no patience to stick with an imperfect plan and see it to its completion: How could plans not be imperfect when we humans are so imperfect? Oh yes! "Plans can and should be perfect because wo/mankind IS perfect, because we Utopians say it is."
Isn't this mindset reminiscent of childishness? Isn't this the thinking of children? Children, except the most gifted, can't see past their own circumstances and feel that everything in their lives needs to be bent to their understanding. This is perfectly natural in a six- seven- or eight-year old, even in adolescents, but in supposedly mature adults who have a hand in governing our country, it's downright scary, as Tim Coderre points out.
Good G*d. Everything I've taught my children about growing up, about responsibility, accountability, deferring gratification for future gains and the fact that the world isn't perfect, so they'll need patience, humour, and some measure of humility to navigate its rocky shoals, is trashed by these infantile Utopians. And we're paying them to do the trashing.
They're parasistes that eat the apple from the centre until there's nothing left of their host. This is what they're doing to Canada. 'Eating away the nourishment and accomplishments of its first 140 years, trashing all of the values that have nurtured our young democracy. And, just like children, they're incapable of standing back to view the destruction. THEY think they're doing what needs to be done and they're proud of it--and disdainful of any dissenters.
Sad Canada.
Maybe it's my lack of caffeine this early in the morning, but isn't there a certain duplicity to Coderre et al's actions? They like to "hug a thug", and yet they view the Canadian military as a bunch of thugs when they are in another country. Perhaps they should learn to hug our home-grown thugs (the military) and stop hugging the thugs that we're protecting the Afghans from. Just a thought...
Posted by: Andrew at May 10, 2007 9:17 AMTimothy, we can pick our friends but not our relatives. I'm sure some of us have wondered if you were related. I think family gatherings must be fun and noisy.
As for hugging a thug, or bringing the taliban to canada, thinking you can change their ways, look South. Lots of questions about the Albanians and the Fort Dix plotters. Seems Clinton brought several thousand Albanian refugees to the US and they were housed at Fort Dix for months. Read what Hillory had to say about this back then.
What is that saying, you can take the boy from the farm but you can't take the farm from the boy. Well, seems that applies to terrorists also.
mary hit the nail You can't choose your relatives, O'Connor was on the defensive yeaterday bigtime with "recent poll showed more popularity for him then the leader of the opposition & A buffoon for a defense critic" quick cut to camera 2, man i would have liked to see the smirks wiped from their faces.
Posted by: bryanr at May 10, 2007 9:43 AMAs I recall, Paul (Mr. Dithers) Martin sent a token Canadian Forces contingent in "Shoot Me!" green uniforms and clapped-out Iltis (Volkwagen Thing) patrol vehicles. I'm pretty sure he also sent some ammo, but not too much food because they had to borrow that from the Yanks.
I surmised at the time that this was so he could get his picture taken in front of them, not because he thought they would do any good over there. Sure a couple of guys got killed, but it was a Noble Sacrifice. Everybody loved the Afghan mission in the Martin Era.
Fast forward to now, Harper and company have bought the right colour uniforms and proper vehicles for the lads, and they are out kicking Taliban ass every day, saving babies, getting it done.
Well, clearly this is impossible! The Conservatives cannot be allowed to succeed.
Therefore any action no matter how treasonous is in the best interests of Canada if it takes some shine off Harper. American soldiers fight, Canadian soldiers are supposed to look good when Liberal politicians stand in front of them and be invisible otherwise.
Too bad Canadian soldiers can't seem to stick to the Liberal program, they keep winning every fight they get sent to.
Posted by: The Phantom at May 10, 2007 10:10 AMThe morbid phenomena of the dogmatic left relating more to foreign causes...even those of our enemies, rather than bearing empathy with our domestic interests, is not as bizzare as it seems if you understand the ideology of these creeps.
Most partisan left are "transnationalist" in nature as their cause ( global socialism/global village) is a transnational game and they really have no regard for the sovereignty of the nation state..particularly their own...this is why they feel it is not worth defending or isolating from compromising foreign elements.
I sincerely believe that the deep left are more than capable of any act of treason because they do not see it as such. They have little national loyalty to begin with..their loyalty is to a "internationalist" political dogma.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at May 10, 2007 10:44 AMOne hardly knows where to start with this.
Thanking Damian Brooks for putting Travers in the same league as Coderre, works for me.
They both know what they are doing.
Coderre will at least be up front about doing it, as smarmy as it is.
I often wonder, though, how Coderre aligns his thinking on what is happening in Haiti, with what is going on in Afghanistan.
Michael Byers...best not even go there...
Only in Canada, I hope, does the Defence critic march in rally, under the flag of one of our Islamist enemies. Coderre has zero credentials for Defence, and it seems the best he can do is call O'Connor an arms dealer. As a senior ranking RCMP officer said re: Dosanj statement of "institutional bias" (against brown skinned people - yes he said that), that the Liberals seem to think it's OK to attack people in uniform, specifically military and RCMP.
When will Libs actually talk about their alternative ideas on governing, without sprewing idiocy like bring Taliban home or threaten to nationalize oilsands, or, their best yet, fully comply with Kyoto.
It's way easier to scream from the peanut gallery, telling all how "incompetent" this government, but lacking the testicular fortitude to force an election; in fact, hiding behind pending fixed dates.
So, Dion brings in image consultant (understand he has a lot of baggage). Why isn't this the big story, like Harper's consultant? Well, we know the answer.
The MSM, particularly the Ottawa cabal, are Lib cheerleaders, unquestioning of Libs on their ideas, and wasting everyone't time with fake image consultant, detainee and racist hockey player crap.
Posted by: Shamrock at May 10, 2007 11:43 AMThanks you for your consoling support from Mary T , and Andrew . It's not easy to carry this burden of cousin Deni , please pray for me , with a last name like mine , I need all the help I can get.
Timothy Coderre
Posted by: Timothy Coderre at May 10, 2007 12:36 PMTimothy Coderre:
SDAer's don't engage in the logical fallacy of 'guilt by association'.
One rise or falls on one's own merits.
A lot of what the old line LIEberals engage is simply power for power's sake. They will say and do anything that they believe will get them back into power.
Witness the LIEberal leadership debate by Dion.
"We've got to get back in power."
Principles don't matter, but power does. And of course having one's hands on Her Majesty's Treasury which at last budget numbered some $220 Billion.
That is quite the incentive to posture all kinds of nonsense. The LIEberals are just upset; they are like little children who have suddenly lost their lollipop off of a tall bridge.
Right now they are considering jumping off the bridge to retrieve the lollipop. They just need a large parent to apply the corrective to their posteriors in conformity with:
Canadian Foundation for Children, Youth and the Law v. Canada (Attorney General), [2004] 1 S.C.R. 76, 2004 SCC 4
before they hurt themselves.
Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at May 10, 2007 1:00 PMWhy is Denis Coders so anxious to tell the enemy canada's plan. Just like the democrats, tell the enemy all plans so they can take a year or so off, restock, retrain, replan and possibly decide to attack us here before we leave there.
OT The leaker just had a press conference. I thought he was going to cry.
Look at what you wrote:
"And when these enlightened urban liberals choose descriptors like "mouth-breather" and "knuckle-dragger" to dehumanize that other class of Canadians who haul their goods, grow their food, build their homes, drill their oil - it isn't news either."
Are you going to try and argue that you are using the term "enlightened urban liberal" as a term of endearment? Or will you acknowledge that you've just done what you are accusing others of doing?
Seriously... you mouth-breathers need to get a grip. ;-)
Posted by: John at May 10, 2007 4:05 PMAll these LIEBs (liberal institutional entitlements bureau) keep saying that Stephen Harper is divisive. Well I got news for them, over the last several years, the LIEBs have perfected the art of diviseness. They keep reminding you, that if you don't believe in their ideologies, then you are not a Canadian.
Posted by: Catherine at May 10, 2007 4:16 PMAfter reading Mark Steyn's most recent article in the Western Standard, on the rules of engagement under which the Canadian Forces try to operate in A'ghan, maybe we should be campaigning for "Australian Rules" rather than frothing about the latest Liberal moron.
"Australian Rules" - for war, and for Kyoto!
Oh yes - since the Australians are now in A'ghan, maybe the Taliban captives should be handed over to them - just in case they run out of kangaroos to shoot.
Posted by: John Lewis at May 10, 2007 4:59 PMHey John, ever hear the old saying "words mean things"?
Posted by: The Phantom at May 10, 2007 5:38 PMI've been wanting to send Denis... No, all the Liberals, and Wornout too... One of these for a while.
http://www.cafepress.com/nicecupstfu
D'oh! I meant John a couple comments back, not John Lewis. I'm all for Ozzie Rules!
Posted by: The Phantom at May 11, 2007 11:02 AMDenis Coderre is a blight on the Canadian political system.