First of all, try comparing the greenies calling John Baird a "scaremonger" to a hypothetical goldbug calling Stanley Roach of Morgan Stanley "an enemy of U.S. prosperity." Even the sleaziest real-life goldbug hasn't descended to that level.

Secondly, what's unusual about the carbon-market idea is that it hasn't gotten the ire of any free-market libertarian up. When the socialists introduced Oskar Lange's artificial-market idea, von Mises took umbrage to it, and shot it down. I haven't read any critique of the carbon-credit-market idea being castigated as "playing market," at all. The free-market dog isn't barking over this one.

Job 1 for our elected politicians is to protect Canadians from whatever calamity is taking place in the world that can do harm to us.

Suzuki says that if the world doesn’t abide by Kyoto “Twenty per cent of the economy will disappear. It will cost more than World War I and World War II put together. We'll go into a kind of depression we've never, ever had in all of history”.

Given this scenario our politicians should be debating … what if both Suzuki and “the godamn economists” are right? I.E., that Suzuki is right on the Global depression part and the Canadian economists are right on the estimated billions it will cost us to fulfill our Kyoto targets.

Therefore a strategy that needs to be tabled in Parliament is:

Should we quit wasting our time and money worrying about the whole world?

We can’t isolate ourselves from inevitable global climate change.
Even if we spend billions and meet our goals, that won’t even make a dint on the World climate which Suzuki says, will cause a world depression. Massive economies and populations in China and India are not going to do their share on Kyoto; therefore we’re doomed, according to Suzuki.

Therefore we should be using our billions to build dikes and our politicians should come up with a plan to make sure Canada can adapt to the inevitable disaster that Suzuki and Gore and Dion are predicting.

Maybe the inconvenient truth is that we’d better start adapting to the inevitable.

The hypocritical greenies are making me laugh.....they are accusing Baird of scaremongering?

Thats priceless!

I guess you really "can't fix stupid!"

I would respect the enviromentals sooo much more if the focus was on pollution, clean water and presevation/replanting of both rain forest and boreal forests.

This, on a world wide scale, is a far more pressing environmental concern, in my opinion.

Looks like Rev Al is making a run for the White House:

Friends of Al Gore have secretly started assembling a campaign team in preparation for the former American vice-president to make a fresh bid for the White House.

w3.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/22/wgore22.xml

What Suzuki really meant;

Stop listening to ANYBODY other than the fanatics.

A fanatic ex-presidential looser. That's ok.

A flunky Brit so-call economist fanatic. Ok.

A fanatic, never-worked-a-day-in-his-life lib-leader. Ok

A fanatic $$CBC$$ fruit fly watcher .... oh, c'est moi.

We need a Yellow Party, with the motto "We're Scared". The Inconvenient Truth has shaken us to our Gore. The Yellow Party’s solution is to build an Arc and take on 2 of every species (except Liberals).

lorrie goldstien has a good commentary on scare mongering this morning.

http://torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Goldstein_Lorrie/

Wow! Ya had to do some digging, Kate, to come up with working examples of the bizzaro world the GW freaks have designed with the Kyoto fraud but there it is: industry subsidized to sell/produce nothing....Producers actually having the cost of their production stolen from buyers by the government who then pays them not to deliver goods to the customer.

.....this has got to be the ultimate commie supply control economics ponzie scheme! The only scheme I've seen like this is where some degenerate comme ag-bureaucracy pays farmers not to grow certain crops to create false supply.

Well, I guess this is the new trend in commie economics..paying producers with our tax money not to produce....the greens/GW fanatics meet commie economics. I think it's a good idea to just sit back and watch what this does to Europe before we jump in...we may be able to pick up one or 2 refugee EU industries as they flee this anti- productivity terror storm on their way to China.

BTW: Is it just me or does anyone else detect a new subtle "madness" about the good fruit fly doc? He has become foamy-mouthed mad with dissent to the GW gospels.

""And besides, Baird is just scaremongering.""

A Greeny complaining about about scaremongering ?

Kettle, meet pot.

Nomdenet has nailed it . . . using the fruit fly guy's own argument to prove he is wrong. If the giant WW1 + WW2 cost mega depression is going to happen, then spending a nickel on foreign credits is treason by any Canadian government.

The more hysterical they get, the more the end-game is starting on this giant ponzi scheme known as Kyoto.

and Al Gore as president . . . vewy, vewy, scawy.

nice comment, nomdenet. What is also interesting is that the environmentalist cultists focus almost exclusively on 'big business' as the Evil Agents of climate change. The average individual who buys and drives the SUV is not of interest to the cultists.

This leads one to a hunch that the real agenda of the cultists is, as usual, actions against capitalism and industrialism.

The cultists are not interested in the environment; they aren't focused on getting the developing nations involved in any lowering of their pollutants, and, by ratio, these nations are the worst emitters and polluters in the world. The cultists say nothing about the fact that these nations are exempt from emissions and pollution standards.

And, the cultists aren't interested in pollution - take a look at the city streets in which they live and hear their silence about the responsibility of the individuals to 'keep a clean city'.

No, Kyotoism is a socialist scheme, to transfer money, lots of money, from the developed to the undeveloped world. Not as loans, but disguised as 'fines'.

Kyotoism has absolutely nothing to do with a clean environment, for the moneys spent, are 'fines' or 'carbon credits'. That means that you, the industrial nation, keep up your high pollution and emissions - and simply 'pay for it'.
And the third world nations who receive the money, can build their cheap polluting factories, because they are exempt from any standards.

So, the result of Kyotoism, is an increase in global emissions and pollution.

The new technology to lower emissions and factory pollution are not yet fully developed and tested; they are expensive to research and develop - and use. The money should be spent on this research and development. Not on building cheap polluting factories in China for Mo Strong.

As the late, 20th century American philospher James Douglas Morrison once opined:

Come on people don't you look so down
You know the rainman's coming to town
He'll change the weather, change your luck
And then he'll teach you how to....................

When I was young, they used to teach us parables - morality stories illustrating life lessons. As I recall, the parable about the rainmaker was the story of a stranger coming to the drought-stricken town, promising that in exchange for their material wealth, he would make it rain, thus saving their crops and way of life. The story ends badly for the town (but good for the rainmaker).

The global warming scaremongers are nothing more than modern rainmakers. They have not presented a scientific case for man-made global warming (which at a bare minimum would include steady-state carbon transfer equations) nor do they use empirical data in their arguments. Instead they use misrepresentation (ie CO2 levels leading rather than lagging temperature change), rhetoric and clairvoyance while refusing honest debate. Their target audience are the ignorant, the uninformed, and lazy, shallow thinkers who accept casual observance without the need for further research to examine root cause. Unfortunately, this latter group would seem to include most journalists and politicians.

It is extremely scary that this hoax has been allowed to perpetrate as far as it has. And when it is finally exposed and explained to the ignorant masses, all of the perpetraters - every media pundit, newscaster, politician and advocate that have helped promote this farce should be permanently purged from the forum of public debate, for they are either too stupid or too dishonest for their opinions to merit public exposure.

The best way those enviromentalists wackos can do to celebrate this EARTH DAY thing is to keep their mouths shut and cut off all that HOT AIR and this especialy gose for AL GORE the biggist source of HOT AIR in the world

Another whack job mouthpiece for Libs on cbc sunday(lib.senator Dawson)Now this man IS scary!Have to say,that I was surprised to hear Solomon and McNeil push back about where the Lib.party's 'estimates'are for how to fund Kyoto.
Copps had quite the column today also,slagging Baird/Cons.and surprise..praise for herself.Suggests TD Bank should 'muzzle'Drummond for report on costs of Kyoto.Hmmmm,muzzling someone..isn't that one of the big accusations Libs make re:PMSH.

ET says “The average individual who buys and drives the SUV is not of interest to the cultists.”

That’s because the benefits of Kyoto to a consumer are very difficult to quantify, it's mostly costs, therefore the cultists don't talk about the consumer.

Nor is the average volcano of interest to the cultists. But apparently your average volcano can spew out more CO2 than all the cars in North America.

However, I took note of David McGuinty’s comment on Duffy that “Baird has put forward no analysis on the related positive benefits. In fact, he deliberately ignored those benefits that come from better energy efficiency, lower energy use and jobs related to the benefits of emission reductions.”

Therefore, the Yellow Party will provide unseemly handouts to Bombardier to convert their Seadoo plants to SeaArc plants. The “benefit” that will accrue to the Yellow party will be to capture all 75 seats in Quebec.

Next, we will out-asymmetrically-equalize Dion with Danny Williams … the “benefits” to the Yellow Party in Atlantic Canada will be “fundamentally clear” as Martin used to say.

The enviro-fanatics will fight tooth and nail because they got everything they wanted in Kyoto. Why should they compromise?

\the cons are doing the right thing by doing an ambrace and extend. Most people, while worried about the potential of climate change, dont really understand it or believe it totally, they fear it because it us unknown, magical and unclear. Kind of like the monster and ghost stories you are told as a child.

Saw Dennis Dawson on CBC this morning. Now the complaint is they dont have the resources to properly critique the governments economic response.

Government will make the Kyoto supporters look like the radicals.....

OT but a nice mention in the second paragraph of Mark Steyn's column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

http://tinyurl.com/2qv935

Damn PD. Very well said. I've never heard the comparison to the rainmaker before, and it is an excellent comparison of how these snake oil salesmen have swept onto the scene to liberate us of our wallets while promising something to fix nothing.

Hey, the rainman did come to our small town about 40 yrs ago, with a plan to increase our rainfall 50% of the previous year. (very bad drought). My husband, along with most of the farmers went, and were mesmerized and ready to take the bait. For 1.00/acre the rainman would put some machine on your land to emit something that would seed the clouds etc, and double the rainfall. When this was explained to me I laughed. First, we could not afford the 640.00 to do this, and many farmers had triple our land base. I asked a simple question not asked by one farmer at the meeting. How much rain did we get last year. About 1 inch, he responded. So, what will 1.5 inches of rain do for the crops. No one had given that a thought. No wonder we have kyototologist kooks out there. Someone somewhere must have bought the program as we had 4 inches of rain the next year and it never cost us a cent.
Has any provincial budget been brought down with millions for building dykes etc. Wonder what happen if that happened. Even in areas that have frequent floods, no action has been taken. Maybe the red/green group will campaign on megatons of money for dykes in southern AB.

There is only one way to point out the stupidity of the whole carbon BS thing and that is to use it and abuse it. Show it up for the scam it is, show it up for what it really is, another leftover wealth transfer scheme and nothing more.

The mindset of the promoters is such that it WILL be wide open to wide abuse.

How does one become involve in buying or selling carbon credits? I have absolutely no idea but would be quite interested in learning the mechanics of the whole thing. Any help appreciated.

The net result of purchasing carbon credits: zero real reduction in carbon. Farmers in SK (good for them!) are now receiving cheques from a US company that has sold their carbon credits for zero tillage farming. They've been farming this way for many, many years, and now will get extra cash for it. Zero additional, real reduction in carbon for the world, but someone with lots of money can buy "credits" so they can feel better about owning 5 huge homes, jetting between them, and producing more carbon in a year than most of us will in a lifetime. Anyone note the emperor has no clothes?

Nomdenet said:
"That’s because the benefits of Kyoto to a consumer are very difficult to quantify, it's mostly costs, therefore the cultists don't talk about the consumer."

That's because there are NO benefits to the consumer. Suzuki's future is lose/lose for the consumer. If Suzuki's right, the consumer, ie. you and me who don't own a gun, are pooched by collapse of the environment, and, apparently, the economy. If Suzuki's wrong, we're pooched regardless by the failure of the economy trying to fight off the Goreites and the Kyotophiles. Either way, if we don't soon bury the Goreites et al, the survival plan will be to stockpile food, fuel and ammo, not necessarily in that order, if your family is even to have a future.

I posted the following on Joanne's Journey...it's applicable here as well.

Climate change has been a regular occurance since time and the planet earth began. No politition will ever have the ability to change that. The location of the oil discoveries world wide indicate that at different times, different areas have enjoyed near-tropical conditions sometime in the past. Who knows, they may again in the future as well. But it won't be because of anything mankind does, it will be in spite of what mankind does.

The whole global warming nonsense is about nothing more than money...who's got it, who wants it and how are they going to get it. Unfortunately we seem to be hell-bent on transferring that money for nothing more than a feel-good-we've-done-our-bit reason. Carbon credits are not going to reduce pollution one iota, and will probably increa

I'm quite disappointed that there have been NO 'Happy Earth Day'greetings yet here at SDA!! Wondering how all of you will celebrate.I'll be busy separating my toilet paper rolls into single-squares,then drive my suv over 200 kms to work.Kate,can you put up a post area for Happy Earth Day Helpful Hints????

oops....missed my last sentence.

increase pollution as the recipients of our largesse industrialize more.

I hope that Dion & Suzuki end up so tight, that ultimately we'll see a hotel room scene a la Borat between the two of them.

I'm celebrating earth dat by running the diesel enfinr in my boat for the next 10 hours at high idle.

oops sorry about the typos, shouldn't type in the dark.

Skip, the reason I don’t say “NO benefits” is that if we reduced the purchase of oil from Islamofascists that would benefit the infidel consumer by increasing the chances of keeping one’s head. But, I doubt that was David McGuinty’s line of reasoning.

I like your thoughts on “if your family is even to have a future”.

We’ve lulled ourselves into a cocoon of thinking that it’s not necessary to defend ourselves. Today in a remake of the Rawhide TV series, the wagon master wouldn’t yell “circle the wagons”; he’d send the women and children out to negotiate with the attackers.

Ain't gonna happen but can you just imagine Gore as President and Dion as Prime Minister. What a hell of a love in that would be!

I'll join the Earth Day celebrations, by lamenting the fact that the environmental movement has now strayed so far from Science that humanity is not considered part of the environment and a healthy Earth.

I'm an agnostic, but I'd never go as far as to endow God/Mother Nature-like powers to lowly humans. When I meet anyone at all brainwashed by this Global Warming bs, I bring up solar flares, volcanic activity and methane emissions from animals. How are us humans going to stop this?

I'll be bike riding, as Spring is finally here, rejoicing the industrialization and human ingenuity that created bicycle factories and paved roads.

Survey over at CTV:

"Will you be making an effort to go green for Earth Day?
Yes
No
I've already done all that I can"

Very encouraging results! Yes: 27%; No: 48%; I've already done all that I can: 25%.

So, the percenatge of respondents who don't seem to be buying the GW scaremongering is a whopping 73%.

Another poll gone horribly wrong. Yeah!!

P.S. It appears that voting's still open.

If Canada is seriously considering joining the US and others in the Asia6 or whatever it ends up being designated, you would think at least some of the so-called experts would applaud this seeing as they would be bringing India and China into the mix. China may really go for this after being caught red handed (pardon the pun) enhancing products with melamine. It's a way of saving face. Course the moonbats can see all the money they were set to rake in on the carbon credit scam flying out the window until they dream up the next piece of BS.

I recently cut my carbon footprint to zero and did it without scams like credits and such.

I find the mud hut quite airy and accommodating, and a diet of grasshoppers and slugs isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

I just tried to vote in their poll but it said I have already voted. (I haven't) It would probably work with any answer but No. (Which I voted)

But did you notice at the CBC site where Suzuki has his rant printed ... right under the rant is a big ad for a high performance Cadillac!

Check it out here ...

More madness from CBC

I am entertained.

Get your indulgence$$$$$$ here:

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Watched Sunday's Question Period today on CTV to hear Minister John Baird, but he was interviewed by Giggles Tabor and didn't get asked anything of note.
Cut to Craigie, but he was totally involved in his orgasmic bout of self-gratification again; kept on and on about "Harper's stylist cum spiritualist."

And I mean ON and ON... Is this really the issue we plebes in the imaginary socialist country of Canada should worry about?

Check it out at Offset World. It's simple just sell credits to whomever will pay you. There is no way to measure any effect whatsoever, so why not get in on it? It's just snake oil folks. Gore does it and Suzuki is one of his ad-men. You can do it too!

Offset World

Remember HIV/AIDS? Remember when everyone in Hollywood would wear a red ribbon at every award ceremony and if they won they would thank their courageous gay friends - all of whom had AIDS - and then everyone went on with their lives. I miss the good days, before Global Warming.

I wonder how much longer the MSM will be able to put this GW scare garbage on the front page before people get sick of it.

"I'm quite disappointed that there have been NO 'Happy Earth Day'greetings yet here at SDA!!"

Most folks will probably ignore the fact that today is Earth Day but not me. Nope, I’m a sadistic bugger. I pledge to spend at least 4 hours designing and building the sign that I’m going to use to protest Al Gore when he visits Calgary tomorrow.

It’s not much, I know, but we’ve got to think globally while acting locally.

The whole Chicken Little campaign will go down in history as irrefutable proof of what we say herein about the stupidity, guillibility and mental disorder of the left.

Soon enough the alarmist campaign will run out of steam. Something so crazy and so opposed by the silent majority cannot sustain itself and will just quietly go away, like so many other fads.

People, when they realize that they'll lose their livelihoods if our governments go along with the Kyoto madness, will oppose the more extreme ideas being pushed, preferring a balanced, sane, safe approach.

The mainstream doesn't like extremism, after all.

Any loss of jobs in Canada will be more than offset by the jobs created in the "new green economy." What this economy is,we don't know. How many jobs will it create,we don't know. What companies will be leading it,we don't know.What will they be manufacturing,green technology,of course. What is green technology,we don't know. Will it be tax-payered subsidized,we don't know.Just trust us,says steffette,lizzie, and davey boy,it is the only way to save the planet.A vote for us is a vote for the future.Ka-ching.

I've decided to build my own line of cars and open up my own production plant. These cars will have the best fuel mileage of any car never built. I plan to build none of these cars on a yearly basis, but based on my plants output=0, i should be able to make billions.

Before anyone starts getting critical both Al Gore and Maurice Strong have decided to invest in my company. A grand opening ceremony is planned for next week, and will be attended by Stephane Dion. There will be free hot dogs for everyone(knife and fork provided).

Also, throwing partisan politics aside, Elizabeth May has agreed not to attend after backroom meetings with Dion.

Re: carbon credits represent the value of doing nothing, which should actually have a cost, such as increasing pollution, as ET and others say.

Well, that didn't stop the tulip mania in Holland either, where people lost their wealth speculating in, get this, tulips. Carbon credits are the tulips of the 21st century.

How will the first world develop truly clean technologies (not the sequestering garbage), where we can once and for all convert from carbon fuels, if we send our wealth to nations like China that will use it to build coal-fired generators?

As for Africa, apparently they can sink into a cesspool of aids, malaria and grinding poverty, prevented from using their natural resources to modernize.

http://www.mytelus.com/new_homepage/

Harper vs Suzuki

We dont' celebrate Earth Day here. Instead, we give a moment of silence for the victims of Lenin.

The inflationary pressure of this system is worrisome to say the least. Forget the extra costs involved in purchasing credits, but add to that the volatility of said market and the reduction in production....I think I'm going to call my bank on Monday and lock my mortgage rate for 10 years.

Good one paulstuff. Reserve two of those marvellous cars for me! They won't take up much room in my garage, and the mileage can't be beat.

The thing about Canada's role in reducing GW is that even if we buy into the Suzuki/Gore/Dion 'rainmakers' philosophy we are still going to end up like King Canute. Canada can begger herself to buy carbon credits and after we send our last job and dollar overseas the tides will still rise. We have to look at a real solution and it sure isn't carbon offsets. If we want to have a real solution and prevent further escalation of the so-called GW problem then we have to do two things immediately. First stop all foreign aid to third world countries: by subsidizing third world economies through charity we enable a burgeoning birth rate in areas of the world that people sustain themselves. Secondly we must immediately cease immigration across the board; we can no longer import refugees and immigrants from areas of the world that are unable to sustain their way of life. If the earth is a finite resource then it goes without question that Canada is a finite resource. As long as we keep bringing in refugees and immigrants we will keep building houses and highways thereby reducing the life sustaining arable land that our future generations will require. We must come to the realization that Canada must be the "Future Ark" of mankind and as such it may be time to rise the gangplank. Sarcasm on/off depending on your point of view.

Excuse me missed a 'cannot' text shoud read "in areas of the world that people cannot sustain themselves in."

Onw way that Kyoto will improve air quality in Canada is by greatly reducing the number of people driving to work.

Well, I for one am going to do something for Earth Day. I plan on hosing down a hippie. Then I'm gonna make him get a haircut. Nothing better than a nappy-headed Hippie for Earth Day.

Earth Day was originally about cleaning up pollution, a worthy cause.....now it is about this mania regarding CO2

pundit

it has nothing to do with it- dork.

the whole place was covered in water 50 years ago and for thousands of years before that, and for 25000 of the past 50000 years it was covered in ice.

Jeff said earlier.....

"I would respect the enviromentals sooo much more if the focus was on pollution, clean water and presevation/replanting of both rain forest and boreal forests.

This, on a world wide scale, is a far more pressing environmental concern, in my opinion."

I agree. We can also add overfishing of the oceans to the list.

There are many worthy issues being ignored for the anti-science cult of man-made global warming.

Just trust us,says steffette,lizzie, and davey boy,it is the only way to save the planet.A vote for us is a vote for the future.Ka-ching.

-wallyj

-Hmm... that sounds familiar. Goes with the violin music I'm imagining...

"We are progressive. Never mind what that means; it's something good. Trust us. Never mind that you've found that you can't. This time, just trust us. Harper's the boogeyman. Tories are banshees. Liberals are flawless and can do no wrong."

Fugeddaboutit. We trusted these guys too many times already, and each time they betrayed our trust.

Pundit,

Have you ever been to the area in question? This is nothing new, except that the water is not receding at a "normal" pace due to to higher than "normal" snow pack, higher than "normal" ground water levels, and a rapid thaw.

Better to be silent and be thought a fool, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I am celebrating earth day by cutting my grass with an electric mower. Also cooking a roast in a slow cooker. Later I will be golfing 18 holes and driving around in my electric golf cart.

I have some carbon credits to sell; was wondering about e-bay.

When you start looking at the parallels to the ramp down of 1929, especially about market strength built on empty paper, one had better be advised to keep your investments liquid and tangible. There'll be a lot more people looking for a lot fewer jobs, and fewer still able to live off the land, and you know the EI benefits won't be there...

My "earth day" celebrations started by reiterating in public ( thanks to SDA) that :

1) Kyoto is a self destructive economic policy not a environment policy

2) Bought charcoal for the Bar-BQ this evening

3) Raked the yards and burned the leaves and deadfall

4) put some fresh methane-producing sheep poop on the garden beds and worked it in as the crops are 2 weeks behind due to ground frost hanging on too long this year.

5) Drove the 1/2 ton to the store and bought "carbonated" beverages (to serve with the Bar-BQ beef)

6) Enjoyed the first sunshine and shirt-sleve warmth we have had here in 5 months.

7) Relaxed under my slow-to-bloom peach tree where both I and the tree looked forward to the extra degree of warmth promised by the global warming apostles when it arrives in the next decade. ;-)

No question ... Kyoto will be the answer to Canada's growing labor shortage.

Also the answer to the promoters of world government who want the West's money evenly distributed around the world so that everyone on the planet has about twenty dollars and a gray blanket.

Of course they themselves .. the Gores, Suzukis, Stongs, Demarais, Cretiens etc. along with the the rest of the UN crowd will keep their whisper jets and heavily secured air conditioned homes.

And enjoy that great day there WL M Redux. I will do something similar.

There is much talk out there that we have to control population, and as humans expel c02 every time they breath, I think stopping immigration to reduce co2 is a good start. Then, lets ban all tourists, they expel that dreaded pollutant, and use energy in all their activities. Think of the water saved by hotels not having all that laundry to do. Also all the flushes not flushed. The energy not used by hotels to cook and clean, tremendous. Many litres of gas would be saved by workers not having a job to go to. Some idiot in Ont is talking about using clotheslines instead of dryers. Think of the trees needed to make those clothespins. Today DS has a column in the Leth Herald, complaining about the fishing trawlers and the fact when a boat goes over the water it is disturbed, mud is racked up and takes ages to settle. My contribution to earth day, washing 6 loads of laundry and using the dryer, leaving the lights on in the laundry room, using the computer for my accounting backlog and tax returns for clients. Constant pot of coffee on, dishwasher going and 3 tvs going.
Let us know how gore makes out tomorrow.
Saw dion imitating Judge Judy today on QP. Have not seen the ad anywhere but on newman/qp. Is it running anywhere. Those conferences are planned years in advance. Who set the date for the one in Montreal and when was it done.
How big a footprint did dion leave phoneing, faxing, e-mailing people in 182 countries to come to montreal. How much energy was used by all the planes to get them here. What did it cost the city to protect all those dictators. Did he buy offset credits to pay for it. We deniers need to know.

new Survey over at CTV: would you be willing to pay a carbon tax 70 oercemt,

Yeah, EarthDay plans = Non-polluting everyday plans, including a big fish and chips with creampuff dessert at restaurant later.

Sundays are so demanding. = TG

well, I started off with a breakfast of kippers. Then off to the dive site, 100km yon, in ye olde trusty Jeep 4 x 4.

Nice dive, although I certainly don't want CO2 buildup in that situation. Then back home. Fire up the Barbie for a T-bone. Do much the same as WL REdux in the garden.

The only Earth I thought about was that in my vege4table garden, and how to improve itas quality and the appropriate spray to rejuvinate the lawn.

Oh, also came up with the slogan "Save the planet - Collect the set!"

O/T Did Monsieur Dijon vote today?

But, wait, David Suzuki assures us Canadians willing to pay carbon tax. After all he has checked with all his moonbat friends.

On other hand, CTV poll disagrees:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate

Oh yes, moonbats, this is an UNSCIENTIFIC poll. But, so is Suzuki's "argument."

Funny how Dionsky and his fellow moonbats are so sure Canadians don't like Harper and want to save earth just like him; but, of course, we don't want an election, which will decide issue, over this. And anything else for that matter.

I guess we'll have to wait for Dionsky's ninth position on Kyoto and the environment. Let's not forget either his "Marshall plan for Afghanistan."

Maybe he and Layton should go to Afghanistan instead of France (2 weeks late), and actually talk to the troops, so as to be sure they are supporting them.

Please, please, let's have election as soon as possible. I'm sick of Dionsky, Mayday, Taliban Jack and Dr Fruitfly telling us what Canadians think. I for one am willing to take a chance and find out for sure. Why aren't they?

More sightings of Moonbat-Alien reported.

Fruit-fly moonbat on the loose. Dangerous enviro fanatic intent on despoiling your wallets, your youth, your country. Alias: Drosophila Gaiaus Moonbattus. Last seen/heard in CTV's Executive dining room despoiling escargots, snails, and earthworms.

Suzuki: Take your carbon tax and shove it where the fruit flies can't reach it.
...-

Canadians Ready For A Carbon Tax: David Suzuki
(ctv via national newswatch)

The thing with the whole "Carbon Market" is that it's total hypocrasy and the reason why all these "Chicken Little" environmentalist are full of crap. How do you justify a Carbon Market when it's sole purpose is to allow industries or countries to continue increasing their emissions at a cost. If the sky is falling then the only answer is reduced emissions and technology leading to that. No other cost is acceptable, nor should it be.

The truth is that the Goracles propaganda is really just an overblown advertisment for his own carbon trading business .... and no sees this!!!

These guys have brainwashed a whole generation of kids and young adults ... That's scary!!!

Surely Suzuki meant to say Gaia-damned economists. Why is Baird wasting his time to talk to that egomaniac?
I was thinking of starting a weight-loss clinic where the clientele could purchase food credits, but Algore looks as if somebody beat me to the punch. But just imagine it: you could have your cake and eat it.
I will mark Ulyanov Day by not excercising and downing Beano. http://ajpgi.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/272/5/G1028

Interesting blurb over at Bourque(in Heard at Hy's section) Mentions possible merger between Greenies/Libs,Suzuki and May are playing Dion like a fiddle,and he's blissfully unaware.Theory is,that Dion will get all green party support,increased numbers for Libs.will get the non-impressed Dion detractors on side.This would cut off Iggy/Rae at the knees!Interesting..but how many Greens/Libs would support this.Lizzie would get Deputy Party leader.Hmm,wonder what reward Suzuki would get?

Speaking of reducing emissions through technology.
www.thermalenergy.com...tmg(v)

Hey Wimpy- Fer God sake kippers???
Jesus, whenever my mother would cook those for my Dad, my brother and I would literally have to leave the house! I have never smelled anything so bad in my life until I came across a cadaver that had been roasting in the sun for several months. Kippers and dead bodies have something in common, believe me.
On the other hand, T-Bones are sweet.

Check out the poll on CTV today - would you be willing to pay a carbon tax ????

The whole Carbon Credit nonsense is another Dutch tulip bulb frenzy/South Sea Bubble waiting to happen. I highly recommend "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" -- written in the 1840s; nothing has changed.

Purple Avenger, you must have been at Suzkuki's home for dinner!

Suzuki won't be happy tonite!According to G&M,this Earth Day,that shows canadians #1 issue is environment..turnout for the BIG parades,sit-in's whatever..in Quebec,few thousand turned up..to hear Duceppe say 'Canada is getting rich off oil..and Quebec pays'..HUH???
In Ottawa-approx.300 show up to the Hill..mostly 'youth'..meaning moonbats.
In center of universe(TO)complete with Jack and Olivia on bicycles..250 turn out for parade!
don't the Gay Pride parades do WAY better thann that??????????

AL GORE why dont this wussie want to debate over this global warming is it the fact he,ll be proven a liar and all time jerk

David Suzuki assures us Canadians willing to pay carbon tax but that is rather a regressive move. Instead, Canadians should be encourage to buy carbon credits. To that end, I am offering genuine Texas_Canuck Carbon Credits to all Canadians at a reasonably price. Plus NO GST or sales tax! I pay the shipping too. Order within the next 24 hours and I'll throw in absolutely free an unauthorized biography of David Kowasaki titled: "Everything I Learned About Economy, I Learned From Fruits (Flies)". Operators are standing by.

Key Words: Find Earth Day's Dirty Secret*. Hint: Ira Einhorn and corpus delecti.
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Arkansas Earth Day draws thousands
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"Earth day celebrated with belly dancers at the Clinton library. Truth is stranger than fiction." (Comment)...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821777/posts

'nother comment:

*Did Ira Einhorn show up with his dead girlfriend in the truck? He is the one who started Earth Day.
(Google can find all you need to know.)

The arrogant self proclaiming god - Susuki said today on Question Period that "Canadians are ready for a carbon tax".

"We met over 30,000 Canadians. They recorded over 500 personal statements about what they would do if they were minister for the environment," Suzuki told Question Period co-host Craig Oliver.

"And I'm telling you, they want carbon taxes."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070422/green_qp_070422/20070422?hub=TopStories

Well if anyone sees this man, Suzuki, can someone please tell me that born and raised Canadian DOES NOT want carbon tax!

His 30,000 canadians were school children, who Suzuki likes to scare.

Shame, shame on Suzuki. He is a vile monster.

This man, Suzuki, uses tons of fuel to travel in order to spread his propaganda.

I guess he is too arrogant or too stupid to realise that in today's modern world we are in a digital age.

He could have used Video Conferencing, telephone, computers, and send his press release via email.

Someone should inform this ignoramous of our vast digital technologies.

I would like to toss my hat into the ring to receive carbon credit $$$'s; if anyone would care to send me some filthy luchre I promise to desist from an activity that could potentially generate millions of tonnes of green house gases annually. Furthermore I would make sure that they receive a handsome e-mail certificate with my firm and verifiable estimates of how much they've offset.
What do I offer as an offset to any CO2 that my enlightened donors may be generating?
I am a volcano worshipper and have spent considerable psychic energy recently in trying to generate my own local object of reverence here in southern Alberta. Given that volcanoes produce large and measurable quantities of green house gases and precursors to acid rain and can disrupt weather patterns worldwide and given that psychic powers have as much validity as many climate model (algore)rithms; I would promise to restrict my focus of worship to the link that Kate so kindly provides to the webcam of Mt. St Helens ( last major eruption on a May 18... my birthday; coincidence? I think not). Given the sure probabilities of my worship and rites being able to grow a volcano here in Canada and the harm that it would do to our Kyoto targets (for all those real effects would be anthropogenic after all) my restraining, at great personal spiritual anguish, from this potential for catastrophe must be worth millions of dollars per annum and the adoration of peoples everywhere.
P.S. I promise to use my newfound wealth only for good.
P.P.S. I will even share some with you Kate for your service in providing me with an alternative to creating my own personal volcano here in Forest Lawn.
P.P.P.S. If Maurice Strong is on the gravy train, why not moi?
But then, I'm no expert (except for this)
Sincerely,
Robert Albin
Calgary

I was out riding my bike today, listening to FM radio, the announcer said, "this is Earth Day because it's the equinox and the day is split evenly between 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness all over the planet".

Rattfuc: " ... Hey Wimpy- Fer God sake kippers???"

It's rumored that Homer ate these when he wrote the Iliad.

Just as an adder to the whole Kyoto dialogue. I am a retired executive from the PotashCorp and one of my responsibilties was the Kyoto file. I personally negotiated with the Liberal bureaucrats of the day and I can tell you that their whole stratgey was to meet its Kyoto requirements was through buying hot air from Russia and other nations. Their whole plan was geared to Intensities not total emissions.. Ie so many tonnes of CO2 for each tonne of Potash. Of course if we produce more tonnes of potash if out intensity raio was OK we were good eventhough out total emissions went up.

The Liberals as a government and ultimately you as a tax payer were willing to backstop our energy requirements to $ 15.00 MT of Co2. For the Potash Corp at that time meant about $750,000 per year which we would just add to the price of a tonne of Potash. Who pays for this... The Farmer and ultimately you as a consummer of food.

RL

anon...you're joking,right??? Please tell me you are

Mary T

There were approximately 10,000 delegates in Montreal for the 'Beyond Kyoto' meeting November 24 -28, 2005.

Delegates attended from all over the world.

A simplified estimate:

IF we assume the average one-way distance travelled by delegates is 1/4 of the circumference of the Earth; and the average weight of a delegate (with baggage) is 91kg or 200lbs (they tend to be a rather well-fed lot) then, if all come by scheduled airlines, we have an interesting computation:

10,000 delegates by 200lbs = 1000 tons.

Average distance of return trip = 1/2 the circumference of the Earth = 12,451 miles.
12,451miles by 1000 tons = 12,451,000 ton miles.

The average fuel consumption per ton-mile by commercial jet aircraft is 1.25 US gallons or 4.725L of kerosene.

Estimates vary depending on the C and H content of the fuel but burning 1L kerosene yields approximately 2.7kg CO2, or 12.75kg CO2 per ton-mile.

12,451,000 ton-miles of delegates → 158,843,632kg CO2 (158,843 metric tonnes or 174,728 short tons) or ~15.88 tonnes (17.47 short tons) of CO2 per delegate.

This ‘contribution’ to the CO2 content of the atmosphere didn’t seem important enough for them to stay home!

Perhaps they are all secretly aware that the GW effect of CO2 ‘maxes-out’ at less than 1/10 the current concentration of ~380ppmv, but can’t admit it because that scientific fact conflicts with their scary message.

anon wrote...I was out riding my bike today, listening to FM radio, the announcer said, "this is Earth Day because it's the equinox and the day is split evenly between 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness all over the planet".

Well, I'll be hornswoggled!....didn't know there were two vernal equinoxes (equinoxii?). FM announcer must have gone to dipper school.

Nope I wasn't kidding, that's what the radio jock said, I was on my bicycle so I memorized it as best I could to subsequently immortalize the words on the internet. Let's face it, it was only a disk jockey on a pop music station, perhaps bucking for a CBC job some day.

Pd -- I do not believe they will ever be exposed in our lifetimes. We will be duped into paying tons of money -- likely tumble into a recession or depression -- but the perpetrators will slip out of town. When the temperatures start going down (as they are predicted to do in 2012 if not sooner) environmentalists will congratulate themselves that we have stopped the climate disaster in time. Actually -- I think the whole scam will be discovered, but not until we are all long dead.

Looks like the Kyoto stuff is really coming to a head. I am wondering if this is an appropriate issue on which to bring down the government. I think it is a particularly meaninful one. The Cons have the only common sense approach to this, in an election context people might seriously listen -- and heaven knows there is a lot at stake. Dion could possibly come through with a substantial number of votes if there is any sort of unite the left thrust . . . but if Dion were to actually win, then I would find a degree of perverse pleasure in seeing the economic disaster that unfolds as we meet our Kyoto targets. I know this sounds awful, but I am so sick of the Suzuki crowd mindlessly carrying on about this stuff it would be good to see them get what they are asking for. (Better, of course, to see them thoroughly exposed and appropriately trounced.)

The only thing the greens have to sell is carbon credits and fear.
Anybody who has spent any time at all studying the pros and cons are not fearful and anybody who wants to buy 'carbon credits' having fallen for the lies of the likes of like Al Gore and Suzuki deserve to go broke! ( and isn't Suzuki sounding strident these days. WHO is paying for HIS mouth-What's Moe Strong got on HIM!?) ( For that matter wonder if Moe and George [as in Soros] have joined forces to scare the beejesus out of everybody.
More people should be listening to Baird and Baird and the government should be spending less time on this nonsense and more on getting tax cuts right and much more plentiful.
But that would be too damned easy, wouldn't it.
Somebody pushes 'Global Warming' buttons and like parrots around the world all of a sudden it is THE most important issue ever.
I wonder how those vessels lodged in the ice off the Grand Banks and Labrador feel about all this 'warming' .. I am willing to bet most people don't believe this assinine nonsense nor are they willing, as Suzuki says, to pay for it.
We absolutely must not fall for this fraud. It will be the absolute death of not only the Western economy but our entire way of life.
And THAT ain't NO lie!

A couple of things come to mind, "deisel Davey" has a "gut feeling" does he? Perhaps a visit to the john and a nice big bran muffin every morning would help. If anyone hasen't noticed "ordinary canadians" that is tax-paying folks who haven't spent their whole lives either in a very privelaged tenure in a university, or sucking on the crusty teat of the C B C have had about enough of "the sky is a-gonna fall unless you-all start writing cheques to my foundation" You are just a whiney little pain in the ass Davey and this hard working canadian whishes you would get a real job.By the way the sea is rising?? have you sold your waterfront Davey???? Just asking.
Bubba the hard working boilermaker wrote this.

If you want to see what the enviro-sleezemongers and liars are really up to, ask them if they'd agree to a dollar-for-dollar income tax cut for carbon tax trade off.

If they care more for the environment than socialism, they'd be happy to trade income tax for targeted consumption tax.

Consumption taxes are more economically effiecient than income taxes. They harm the economy less.

I bet the "greens" are more like watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Pukie Suzuki should celebrate earth day by keeping his mouth shut and cutting off all that HOT AIR and the same to AL GORE and the rest of the green cry wolf wacks