"Even the most cynical and pessimistic of my friends will say that while he doesn't believe this mission will succeed, he hopes to the bottom of his heart that he's wrong. The NDP seem to want to stack the deck to prove themselves right, at the expense of both the Canadian and Afghan people.

For shame. FOR SHAME!"

For sure for shame!!

But, but, but, the blessed, sacred NDP MEAN WELL. How, can anybody possibly criticize them when they have such good intentions? They are did this for the CHILDREN, and to expose the evil conservatives for being evil and engaging in war and warmongering.

If this is illegal; then the law must be changed, and the evil conservatives must be jailed for treason, war mongering, and child abuse; the NDP must be hailed as brave courageous heroes who can do no wrong. All praise the noble, heroic NDP!

Just more proof that libby/layton are taliban lovers and should be called afganophopiacs, as they have a demented fear of our troops winning the battle. I shall hold libby/taliban jack responsible for any future deaths of our troops.
How much more of this treason and govt by opposition can PMSH take. Lets have an election and clean house of all ndp mps. And, how many more idiots are the liberals going to nominate.

The left in all Western countries wants us to lose against the islam-fascists because they see them as fellow anti-capitalists. They were rooting for the USSR, Mao and Pol Pot before.

They don't have the wit to realize these people are from the 7th centruy and don't even recognize capitalism. Everyone is just infidel, including the stupid Taliban Jack.

How about a wall and a blindfold.

I used to have a limited amount of respect for the NDP. I NEVER agreed with any of their policies but the NDP of old at least had some small amount of tact and honour and love of their country.

The "new" NDP under Taliban Jack have become one of the most disgusting entities to grace the political scene since the Librano family. That these people would so gleefully and smugly sell out Canadians to gain political favour with the extreme leftard fanaticals in this country is beyond sickening. The only thing that sickens me more is that these two parties still garner a not so insignificant amount of votes from "Canadians" who must also be as hateful of this country as these turncoats are.

I could go on, but am sufficiently incensed to know when to stop.

This is far more serious than the commenters understand, but mostly for the civil servant. There in fact may not be simply an ATI breach, it may be far more serious, if ANY of the information was classified at any level. If any of it was classifed at the SECRET level, then the dippers are in doo-doo as well....

Mary T,

"...be called afganophopiacs, as they have a demented fear of our troops winning the battle."

Shouldn't tha be Nikephobiacs, as they fear vitory?

Western Canadian,

You had the bright suggestion:

"How about a wall and a blindfold."

...but this raises the thorny politically correct question: Should we allow him a last cigarrette?

email sent:

Dear Mr. Layton,

I am more than shocked that any Canadian, let alone a Canadian political party would knowingly break the law by leaking to the press government talks with the United Arab Emirates in joining the effort in Afghanistan. You and your party may not agree with the war, however, a treasonous and illegal act is another matter. You have willingly put the success of your country's effort in Afghanistan in jeopardy. More so, you have willingly sabotaged the efforts of Canadian soldiers. I hope and pray that you and your party will be held to account on this matter. You should be ashamed. This matter is beyond politics. It is beyond being immoral and unethical. It is an act of pure hate.

p.s. I will be sure to circulate this information to a wide group of friends and colleagues in Toronto. Good luck with the next election.

This is a VERY serious issue and leftie heads deserve to roll. (Not in Canada. Pity.)

But, Wimpy Canadian, your punch line is a fine laugh. Thanks!

The NDP's Taliban friends will have better opportunities to kill Canadian troops thanks to the NDP. NDP'ers like to see Canadian troops killed because it feeds their self righteousness. Bastards.

In reading the newspaper article, I think this is old news, and no longer holds any opsec importance. Maybe a little over-reaction here...

Slightly off the topic at hand, but has anyone besides myself watched the PBS presentation of "American at a Crossroads?" The ten-hour presentation was excellent and well done. Worth the time taken to watch it all.

Mike

Yes, the NDP acted irresponsibly. The real point here is, any attempt to secure success in Afghanistan, more troops, equipment, partners, is seen as an "escalation."

Obvious tactic. Fight tooth an nail any attempt to place proper resources, including reconstruction, in Afghan. Then lo and behold, announce the mission is a "failure," so troops must come home.

The problem with this politicking is our troops ar being put in danger. It is unethical to maintain a plan of action is failing when you are doing your best to sabotage any chance at success.

That's OK. This stuff can all come out in next election (soon I hope); the result will be only one federal political leader surviving election.

Guess which one.

wimpy cdn, whatever, they have a fear of Canada winning. We can be thankful that these idiots were nowhere near power during WW11, or WW1.
During that time, doing the same thing, they would be treated as spies or with acts of treason. At least we know svend wont be around to hurt canada, he is going to france. Will dion vote in the french election on Sunday. Will the civil servant who released these documents be fired and charged with something. First Holland steals and now libby. Both acts supported by their leader.

Damn Wimpy, I guess I just didn't think that through.

This is serious anywhere else but Canada.

Taliban Jack the Dipper and his gang do have their heads up their butts but still can do damage.

Even the Natives wouldn't be laying claims to this land if the Dippers had been around with power during our two World Wars.

Sabotage, Treason, does anyone know the meaning of either anymore? WHO THE HELL DIED AND GAVE THEM POWER?
WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?

If you drop the "L" off of the name Layton, and but in a "S". What does that spell?

I think it is also treasonous that the Liberals constantly demand the Wajjid Khan make "public" a confidential report on the Middle east which is for security reasons and of the utmost confidentiality to protect our troops and the individuals who provided sensitive information to him.

How absolutely despicable the Liberals are trying to score political points by degrading a man (Khan) who wanted to contribute to this country in a non-partisan way and for that Dion kicked him out of the Liberal caucus.

For the Liberals the "party" and "power" ALWAYS comes before the country.

I applaud Mr. Khan for standing up to this hateful barrage of cornered wild dog venom from his former "Liberal associates".

For the sake of accuracy, two things:

THE NDP DID NOT BREAK THE LAW. For one, they obtained it under the Access to Information Act. For another, the ATI only protects CONFIDENTIAL discussions with foreign governments. Apparently, these were not, since the government itself chose to release the documents.

THE NDP DID NOT SCUTTLE THE NEGOTIATIONS. Read the article - the talks took place in January! Old news.

A little overreaction here... Criticize the politics, but don't make ignorant accusations about law-breaking and treason.

The left in this country has completely disintegrated into a pack of treacherous racist hyenas in the past few years.

Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore is absolutely right when he says the end of the cold war dispersed communists bent on destroying western capitalistic democracies.

This is clearly playing itself out in the environmental movement and the acts of subversion like we see here.

The left in this country no longer deserves to be recognized as a part of the political spectrum because it has now fallen off the map.

The left no longer stands for anything other than the destruction of the capitalist system it despises.

Jack Layton and the NDP have committed and act of subversion constituting treason and those that did this should be jailed.

For shame is only for starters. Downright treacherous if not outright treasonous.

The processing of access to information requests must be a whole lot better than it is and with accountability formally required - particularly where it affects defense/law & order/security. The Liberal dominated civil servants in any department have the opportunity/capacity to subvert anything the gov't wants/intends to do if they so want to do this. Apparently they have and will continue to do so with little or no accountability.

The publication by the MSM of this type of item as well as others such as the Rapid Fire series (where the guns are) in the Ottawa Citizen are at best totally unconscionable. Torch's comment of not really blaming a vulture for sticking its head into a rotting carcass is soooo apropos.

Ny God when will we start slamming some of this traiterous 5th column trash in the slammer...or give them a session in Gitmo to explain their fascination with Canada's enemies.

Time to take action...this act of mindless treason deserves charges and serious jail time.

Sent today to ALL Members of Parliament. Letter to editors of all local papers to follow.

Dear Mr. Layton;

Bombings caused mass murder in Madrid, London, Bali, Buenos Aires and other locations around the world and people at large began to ask, "where are the voices of moderate Islam"?

Today, via http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=1b8c80d4-231e-4e63-bd26-a85647faec97&k=81131&p=1, we learn that the United Arab Emirates were prepared to offer not just words, but real and concrete 'on the ground' action against the malignant forces of the Taliban. How did we learn what should have remained 'background' talks between two soverign governments? Not surprisingly, through the loose lips of NDP MP Libby Davies, whose opposition to any kind of military action is greater than her allegiance to Canada and democracy.

According to the 'Freedom of Information Act', this material should (1) not have been released and (2) knowing that the information received was exempted under FOI, your member, Libby Davies, knowingly and willfully released the information to the press for public dissemination. She and you, must have known that it would be if not damaging, at least unhelpful in securing support for the Canadian military by another soverign nation. Characterizing this as a "Bush-style' troop surge", is a disgusting, inaccurate and willfully misleading slur. We are not committing more troops, we were inviting a coalition of Muslim led governments to join us in liberating and rebuilding Afghanistan through UN sanctioned and NATO led operations.

The publication of documents through FOI, following diplomatic discussions with the UAE is unconscionable and may result in the breakdown of a first opportunity to bring Muslim support against the Taliban terrorists (or would that be 'freedom fighters' in the NDP lexicon?). I cannot believe that a member of your party would so jeopardize not only the efforts of the brave men and women of the Canadian Forces, but that they would sabotage an opportunity for a better life for Afghanistan's beleagured people. This is rank politics at it's worst and can only contribute to the further decline of the NDP amongst all but the most misguided and ill-informed of Canadians.

Yeah, hard to see how this is illegal, unless the Access to Information guys goofed, in which case it's probably their heads that ought to be made to roll. It's worth finding out about though: so where to look and who to ask?

Somewhere along the line western civilization has lost that line between what is a political point and something that can or will be detrimental to the country. Dippers, Lieberals and the Democrats in the US have lost sight of that line and anything that advances their agenda trumps the common good and safety.
This is akin to the politically correct movement that crosses the line between respecting others and bending over backwards to placate any real or imagined slight.

well said Randy,Bang on.

As albertaman stated Greenpeace founder Moore stated about Radical infiltrators in the Enviro-movement, he talks about this in The Global warming swindle. Just look in your own backyard on your municipal councils, more & more activist are getting elected & in Canada are protected under the charter.
Wake Up Canada before it is too late, there is still time.

If a clerk gives you change for a twenty when you handed her a fiver and you don't give it back, is that illegal? If you get something from a government office that might be considered sensitive,and you don't verify that this should be public, is that illegal?

Also, the fact that the talks were in January is immaterial. Whose to say there are no more talks scheduled or that other parties are going to be approached? As the leader of a country who would like to keep any talks and discussions private, I'd certainly think twice at talking to a country that pastes everything on the front page.

Excuse me? They released documents that HAD BEEN LEGALLY RELEASED.

I'm no fan of Taliban Jack and his hordes, but somebody is manufacturing a story here, and it ain't the Dippers and the MSM.

I wonder who the troops, their families, relatives and friends will vote for. I would love to hear the PM demand the resignation of libby immediately. Time to turn the tables on the libs/ndp terrorist lovers on demanding apologies and resignations. Would also love to hear talibanjack defend her.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6579487.stm

well the Taleban are using 12 year old boys to do their beheadings now, maybe Taleban Jack will negotiate with them

why only a century ago this kind of treason would be finished at the end of a rope right out just off the front lines.

if he wasnt Taliban Jack in some peoples eyes he has certainly earned it now.

The CONSERVATIVE government is ultimately responsible for the release of these documents. If these talks were so secret and so sensitive, why did the government release them? Looks like another smear campaign perpetuated by brain dead sycophants of the Conservative party.

NDP position on Afghanistan:

We want to support the troops by:

(undermining their safety and doing our best to sabotage any chance of success)

- bringing them home. Any questions? Bottom line - NDP and assorted socialists have zero credibility on military issues.

Mike in White Rock, excellent series and really shows the rise of muslim fundamentalism. These guys are on the march everywhere, intimidating, fomenting trouble, bombing, threatening and killing.

Irshad Manji speaks of the beauty of islam yet is attacked verbally, daily death threats and intimidating meetings with the muslim head guy in Canada. Their subjugation of women is terrible. That scene of the whole room in Yemen dressed in black burqas was unreal. Beauty of islam, guess you had to be there.

The government did not release the documents. Some spy in the FOI dept did it. Probably a dipper or liberal.

For years it has been a gut-feeling of conservatives that the left-liberals, socialists, Western Marxist idiots, useful idiots such as lberia, anti-semites, nihilists such as Potvin, et al, would ally themselves with Muslim Islamist terrorists.
That alliance has now been formalized, agreed to, and now is being practiced openly in Canada, in Parliament, by Taliban Jack Layton-NDP, et al.

MayDion, Hezbollah Coderre, et al, are their aiders/abetters.

What is to be done?

"Arise and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time." - Winston Churchill.

Stand for freedom and democracy; stand with Prime Minister Harper and Canada's Armed Forces.

The evidence of the infernal marriage of our enemies is here:

The Islamist-Leftist Convergence

At Egypt ’s Al-Ahram Weekly, an account of a meeting with Muslim Brotherhood, Hizballah, Hamas, and Western Marxist idiots; I’ve used that headline before, but this is a truly mind-boggling example of Total Moronic Convergence™: Anti-globalists reach out to Islamists.

Source:
littlegreenfootballs

http://digg.com/world_news/The_Islamist_Leftist_Convergence_3

Which "spy" mary t? Let's have a name.

Sent to newspapers, coast to coast. Hope it helps.

Dear Editor;

Vancouver NDP MP LIbby Davies has released sensitive information between Canada and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) regarding a partnership to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan. Bombings in Bali, London, Madrid, Buenos Aires and other places around the world caused people to ask, "where are the voices of moderate Islam?" And now with an opportunity to engage Muslim based governments in the battle against militant Islamists, Libby Davies places her party and her 'anti-military' values against the safety of the Canadian Forces and the people of Afghanistan.

She then muddies the waters with a falsehood, calling these talks a "Bush-style troop surge". Ms. Davies knows we are not increasing the Canadian presence, but are inviting Muslim based forces to join a UN sanctioned and NATO led operation against a cruel enemy. In a speech on March 12th, NDP leader Jack Layton said of Canadian government policy, "The same strategy that led us into Afghanistan has deepened a rift between the Muslim and Western worlds. A rift that we could have worked to bridge." Why then, when the UAE and Canada were building a bridge to "Muslim and Western worlds", would Ms. Davies deliberately attempt to destroy the initiative through pre-mature public disclosure? Is the NDP's hatred of all things military greater than their love of Canada and any concern for the Afghani people? Is betrayal acceptable if the result is military, rather than more discussion? Is there a pattern here?

When coupled with last September's resolution by the Nanaimo-Cowichan riding association (subsequently withdrawn) which accused Canada's military of "acting like terrorists, destroying communities, killing and maiming innocent people" one might ask exactly where the NDP's allegiances lie. They may not be pro-Taliban, but they appear to be out of step with Canadian values of freedom and democracy

"If a clerk gives you change for a twenty when you handed her a fiver and you don't give it back, is that illegal?"

Sounds like 'dipper' reasoning to me. Hmmm, it's not illegal. Honesty is simply a construct of the bourgeoisie. Currency is a tool of the capitalist class. Ergo, keep the money and help smash western capitalism!

So the NDP want to be even more irrelevant than the RedGreens. Let us all show all of them the way to the trach heap of history.

Why is Ms Black not all in a tizzy over the non-NATO Australian "surge" in Afstan? Maybe she just missed it.
www.smh.com.au/news/national/more-sas-to-take-on-taliban/2007/04/10/1175971060087.html

Mark
Ottawa

New Democrat MP Libby Davies accused the Conservatives of trying to create a "Bush-style troop surge" in Afghanistan, referring to U.S. President George W. Bush's plan to increase American troop strength in Iraq.
The fact Canada was in discussion with a country outside of NATO to commit militarily to the war in Afghanistan was both unusual and troubling, she said.

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What I find troubling is how a over-weight Lesbian pro-choice gay-marriage supporter can side with a Shariah-law based group of men that would slit her throat in 2 second if she didn't don a Burka , also troubling is how NDPer's like Layton and Martin blame Trans-Fats for people being obese whuile Libby Davies still pounds the food into her mouth .
Keep in mind that the NDP has been in bed with a Militant Whahabi Islamic Org. that gets funding for the Saudi's to build Mosques and promote Shariah law in the West , CAIR-Canada was exposed as having ties to Hamas and Hezbollah fund raising and Dr.Sheema Khan from CAIR tried to silence David Frumm who revealed this on a Canadian Radio show, Khan( a.k.a. Con-job Khan )
demanded the CRTC pull the license for the Montreal Station for Islamophobic racist attacks the promote hatred and incite violence.
CAIR-USA has backed Maher Arar because he had a home near the Boston Aiport and was under survelence by the USA security forces who watched him meet with other Muslim males from a radical Whahabi based Mosque , CAIR-Canada was behind the $400'000'000.00 Lawsuit against us taxpayers .
Alexia McDonough is on record as attended a Pro-Hamas rally with Maher Ara's wife which was a fund-raiser in the guise of WAO ( Women against occupation) to funnel money back to Plaestine for the resistance fight , I've seen all this evidence and yet CAIR is allowed to speak for all Muslims in canada , and the NDP even had Arar's wife run for them in the Ottawa riding knowing she was a Pro-Sharia law Muslim married to a Sunni Muslim from Syria and a Draft-Dodger wanted for fleeing to Canada to avoid service at 19 years of age.

Don't think Harper is off the hook , when i read that Liberal MP Khan joined harper's Government i was shocked because I saw MP Khan on a Video with Mark Holland at a Mosque meeting after vandalism to the Mosque and Khan is on video taking the Mic and stating that tghe Quran and Allah allows for "Revenge Attacks" to those harming Islam or Muslims , Dan McTeague also took the Mic and denouced jesus as the Messiah just to appease the Muslims right before the June 2004 federal Election.

Jack and Libby chose a bad time to be treasonous , Friday was Hitler's Birthday and Sunday is Lennin's Birthday which was hijacked in 1970 by the Peacenik Communists opposed to the Vietnam war .
Layton looks like Lennin and Libby is a big as 2 Hitlers .

Oops: "surge" is Libby, "clear escalation" is Dawn talking tanks.
www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/print/CTVNews/20070412/gates_oconnor_070412/20070412/?hub=CTVNewsAt11&subhub=PrintStory

Mark
Ottawa

Bring those journalist up on charges of treason and have them all shot at dawn

The NDP and the Taliban--a letter of mine in the "National Post" today:
www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/editorialsletters/story.html?id=c04140a3-2ab1-4959-9a77-9c1fdb38b9db

'Choose your Churchill

During Thursday's debate in the House of Commons on Canada's mission in Afghanistan, NDP members advocated the withdrawal of our troops as soon as possible and suggested that, rather than fighting the Taliban, the solution to the war is to negotiate with them. The NDP's national defence critic, Dawn Black, quoted Sir Winston Churchill in support of this position: "To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war."

Ms. Black would seem to be unaware of Mr. Churchill's statement after the 1938 Munich Agreement with Adolf Hitler: "Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war."'

As a friend said to me in a message, maybe Ms Black "...has a piece of paper from Herr Omar promising peace in our time? Besides Afghanistan is a little country that is very far away about which the NDP knows nothing."

Mark
Ottawa

MAry T asks a good question:

"Will dion vote in the french election on Sunday?"

MAry T asks a good question:

"Will dion vote in the french election on Sunday?"

As I said over at the Torch:

These were documents released by DND right? presumably an analyst or a lawyer would have flagged this document and brought it up at the weekly ATI meeting between the Minister's office, the CDS and the DM. It isn't just ATI staff that review these things, in every Department someone from the Minister's office reviews each page before approving their release.

It should also be noted that every document released by DND is available to ANYONE (Canadian or foreign) at the DND reading room in Ottawa. check here for a list of recently completed requests: http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/daip/new_e.asp?sel=atip

If the government did mess up, then dozens of people would have been involved.

I think that everyone here should calm down, isn't this a good news story for the government after all? Now there are other countries willing to join the fight, how do you see this as bad?

[deleted - clean up the language. Threats of violence are not permitted here.. ED]

The more it changes, the more it stays the same. Read some of the Tommy Douglas speeches in the House of Commons in the mid-late thirties.

Same kind of brainless nonsense.

email sent to all Libbers/Dippers,etc (sorry.forgot you lberia)

Re: Release to press of confidential foreign Canadian talks with the U.A.E.

If you won't stand behind our troops here, please go stand in front of them in Afghanistan.

The enemy: Islamic Evil Incarnate; in the flesh.

Churchill said that Islam is the most retrograde force in the world.

Read here; see Islamic evil here:
...-

Muslim Brotherhood Leader Calls for Attacks Against West

While the Muslim Brotherhood’s Western enablers mount an Islamist charm offensive in the US, doing their best to portray the world’s most pervasive Islamic supremacist group as “moderate” and “non-violent,” back home in Egypt the “general guide” of the Brotherhood, Muhammad Mahdi ‘Akef, is calling for attacks against the US and Israel.

The darkened callous on his forehead is the mark of the true fanatic; it comes from zealously grinding his forehead into a carpet, 5 times a day for many years. ...-
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Jim Whitehammer:

The small dead minds here are too busy frothing at the mouth to listen to common sense.

This whole story is just another Conservative smear tactic to try and make an opposition party look bad. Dear Fat Leader can't get his party's polling numbers up so he's trying a different version of negative advertising.

lberia,
There is no need to fabricate stories to make the opposition look bad both Layton and Dion do a magnificent job of that all on their own.
Like this story for example.
I am afraid trying to smear the left would be like kicking a skunk. The smell of corruption and deceipt is already so strong getting too close just soils our clothes.

When the moles name is public, the spys name will be also. To all of us who have written to papers or e-mailed, or phoned the ndp offices, please let us know if letters are published or calls and e-mails responded to. Bet few, if any are. Just have to keep their in boxes filled and their message machines filled.

Can I bring some sense to the people here or is this impossible? Like all documents released under ATI there should be a big stamp in the top left corner that say "Released under ATIA, information unclassified" it then becomes a public document available to EVERYONE, no restrictions whatsoever.

For those alleging some sort of bureaucratic conspiracy, keep in mind that Gordon O'Connor's office has to approve every page of every document released. That's right, a conservative staffer saw this document and knowingly released it to the NDP.

By the way, what is the "Freedom of Information Act" that you keep referring to? it's called the Access to Information Act.

If you are so mad you can contact O'Connor's office 613 996 3100 or DND ATIP, toll free 1 888 272-8207 or atip@forces.gc.ca

lberia: Whatever you may think, Damian Brooks of "The Torch" (where I also post) is not, as far as I know, a partisan Conservative--though I suspect he is small "c" as I am.

The Conservative Party has zero to do with what appears at "The Torch". I have never been contacted by the party; I don't know about Damian but I doubt it.

"The Torch", when Damian set it up just over a year ago, was intended to be a non-partisan blog dealing with Canadian defence issues. I, when posting, have certainly taken the Conservatives to task when I thought it justified. A couple of examples (there are more):

"The Goose Bay boondoggle"
toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/10/goose-bay-boondoggle.html

"Stupid Conservative defence promises"
toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2006/08/stupid-conservative-defence-promises.html

However the absolute and craven disregard of the NDP for facts about Afstan, and the morally bankrupt tergiversations of the Liberals on the issue, have driven Damian and me to be perhaps rather more political in posting than had been the goal. Needs must.

Mark
Ottawa

Mark:

Another poster here, Jim Whitehammer, has given a detailed explanation of why this issue has nothing to do with the NDP being "traitors." Regardless of whether or not Damian is taking his cues from the CPC, he is wrong to accuse the NDP of sabotage. If he is angry about the release of this information, he should direct his anger towards the people who initially authorized the release. Otherwise this just looks like another CPC orchestrated smear.

iberia: "...this just looks like another CPC orchestrated smear." Can you not accept the very strong likelihood that it is not? That individuals get, for their own personal reasons, very upset over what the opposition parties in this country are doing? Have you even bothered to take a look at "The Torch"?
toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/

This is what Damian wrote about the Conservatives and Thursday's "debate" on Afstan:
toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/04/because-some-liberals-think-its-good.html

"The Conservatives summoned all the outrage and hyperbole they could muster, and hurled it across the Commons. They were offended. They were righteous. They were patriotic. They were mostly buffoons."

This was my quick summary:
toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/04/choose-your-churchill.html

"The House debate on the Liberal motion to end the combat mission as of February, 2009, was relentlessly partisan, generally dismal in quality, and mostly ill-informed."

As to the Conservatives:
toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/04/if-everything-goes-according-to-plan-in.html

"The government, from what I saw, failed to hammer home the "exit strategy" that Minister of National Defence O'Connor has outlined. I cannot but wonder why."

Do you think the Conservatives "orchestrated" that?

Mark
Ottawa

"Can you not accept the very strong likelihood that it is not?"

Yes, I can. That's why I said it "looks" like a smear, not that it "is."

iberia: The situation remains that the post can only look like a Conservative smear if you have not taken the trouble to examine the source.

Clearly you did not. There are arguments that can reasonably be made, but yours are made only out of attitude, ignorance and laziness.

Mark
Ottawa

Guess who gave the NDP the info about the talks with the United Arab Emirates? .... the Harper Government!

"Documents obtained by the opposition New Democrats, UNDER ACCESS TO INFORMATION LAWS, indicate that Col. Fred Lewis, deputy commander of Task Force Afghanistan, met Emirates military staff over a five-day period in January to discuss "the feasibility of a bilateral agreement."
-International Herald Tribune-
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/20/america/NA-GEN-Canada-UAE-NATO.php
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Okay, the NDP had information on the discussions between Canada and United Arab Emirates - and they got the documents from ... the GOVERNMENT OF CANADA!!

Yup .. they paid their $10 and filled out an FOI (freedom of information) form and took the papers to the House and asked a question.

And you want to put blindfolds on people - stand them up against a wall - and kill them??

Nutso city over here folks!!

'Loose lips sink ships' - Jacko and liddy would have been sent to the jailhouse in the 1960s they would have been sent to the gallows in the 1940's.

Who do these fools think they are? Do they really think that we will tolerate having our countries war plans blasted all over the globe for our enemies to use? How many soldiers could die because of their treasonous stupidity? Why should we allow them to be in the HOC? IMO they must be removed from the HOC and access to the airwaves at once. What else do they know? These people are not honorable and no 'fault' whitewashing can remove the ugly yellow stain. My country has been attacked from the inside- he who attacks Canadian soldiers attacks all of us - these two and anyone else who is too fanatical and stupid to know when to keep their mouths shut, must be shut up - in a sound proof room in a jailhouse.

Jema are you talking about the Federal Goverment's loose lips for giving the information to the NDP through a freedom of information request? Why are you still frothing at the mouth????????

those guys (NDP) are from iran!!!!
they want us dead!

Which "spy" mary t? Let's have a name.

Posted by: lberia at April 21, 2007 3:58 PM
Iberia what's you name?

leftdog - you only read one line of my post. Nothing excuses them; and I ask the question again: what other confidential information do these two have access to? ALL MP's are surmised to be loyal to THIS country. Our soldiers should never be comprimised for cheap politial propaganda.
Or..is that okay in your world?

George, you can call me Lavrenty.

Mark:

Your pal Damian over reacted. Now you're over reacting in your defence of him.

Take a deep breath, hold it, and when you exhale say "ommmm." Repeat 10 times. Now, doesn't that feel better?

what other confidential information do these two have access to?

As citizens of Canada, "these two" have the same access as all who are willing to file an Access to Information (ATI) request and pay the nominal fee.

In case it hasn't been made clear already, it's the Department of National Defence, in accordance with Canadian law, that has placed (quite rightly) this information in the public domain.

The phrase "confidential information," furthermore, appears nowhere in the CP story and, frankly, amounts to question-begging: if the department's officials had good grounds to withhold the information about the meeting, they would have done so, again in accordance with the law.

That they did not withhold the information suggests it was neither confidential nor sensitive: indeed, if the CP story is correct in its recounting of the situation report of Brig-Gen Tim Grant, the Canadian government *would want* people to know about the UAE's Afghanistan involvement because, according to the report, it would "provide a Muslim face to International Security Assistance Force operations, providing a counterpoint to insurgent rhetoric."

Sadly, the overreaction of posters on this site bespeaks an almost total lack of familiarity with the ATI process, as routinely facilitated by DND.

Too bad for those interested in informed discussion of the issue.

here is his handle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrenty_Beria

these are his spouts.
now turn lberia over
and his brain pour out.

...and I thought lberia's real name was TRAITOR!!!

It isn't just ATI staff that review these things, in every Department someone from the Minister's office reviews each page before approving their release.

True, but even so I do wonder if from time to time something slips past due to the volume of requests that come in on the Afghanistan file. I know at some dept's/agencies staffers working on Afghanistan are spending at least as much time trying to process ATI requests as working on their standard duties - the former comes first owing to legislated timelines and political optics - and I can imagine a stray boner getting through.

Traitors (both media and politicians) should be tied to a poll, given a blindfold and a cigarette and shot at dawn.

That we no longer execute traitors was step one in our decline as a people and a nation.

Electing the traitors just sealed the deal.

For the record, i checked out the comments section of this post because i was pretty sure (given this site's track record for ignorance and delusion) that the NDP really didn't do anything illegal. And dammit if i didn't turn out to be right about that.

And regardless of the fact that absolutely nothing was illegal or treasonous, right-wing goofballs remain insistent that their political enemies be lined up and shot.

Keep on typing your hateful, murderous, deluded ravings. More evidence to show the rest of Canada how the brains of Harperlovers are shrivelled, ugly, poisonous things.