Get over there and vote: I did about an hour ago. Very gratifying.

How would you know that?

If that question's for me, Warren, please clarify.

bloody assholes, leave it to the glop to be tasteless enough to play politics with that tradegy.

How would you know that?

Because, young chimp, humans are more intelligent than Liberals.

Very gratifying to see that GobnWail could not wait to pander to the no brain socialist liberal audience.

The poll leads with a question that gets it all wrong.

The tragedy is that all the other students were unarmed and had to stand around helplessly waiting for the cops to arrive. Virginia Tech doesn't allow guns on campus. As if that did anything.

Gun control only makes people more dependent on the state. Just what the fascists and socialists want.

"does Canada need to enact stricter gun controls..."
Maybe people read the question this time? I have two skeptical liberal takes on this - as most of the kool-aid drinkers reaction I've heard has been in favour:

1. People realize gun control simply meant that the firearms were registered and would not have prevented the Dawson incident...
2. Canadians realize their country already has very strict gun control and that America should follow their Northern neighbours' lead because Canada supposedly has less shootings...
3. Canadians have stopped drinking the liberal kool-aid

I hope it's 3 or the more neutral 1 interpretation, but I believe that most smug, self-righteous Canadians believe the answer is 2.

Read the agenda: "enact stricter gun controls to prevent similar incidents here." No leading you by the nose here.

Forget the tautologies; answer the question. How would you know the Globe didn't expect those results?

Warren does ask a valid question in his round-about way. Maybe PMSH and his Bushchimps have infiltrated Canukistan's second most pravda publication, and they have a hidden agenda to really steal the leftie's plans and turn us all into good little plebians?

Well, I guess Warren's not going to clarify his question.

Warren, how would I know that voting was a gratifying experience?

1) It actually felt that way to me when I clicked the NO button.

2) It also felt that way when I saw that "my" side was in the majority.

That's it.

Your point?

P.S. I just read your latest post. You said, "How would you know the Globe didn't expect those results?"

I implied no such thing in my post. (See above.)

What IS your point?

(Jan 2006) Gun bill gets shot down by panel (to allow right to carry on Virginia campuses)
roanoke dot com ^ | orig Jan 2006 | greg esposito

Gun bill gets shot down by panel HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee. By Greg Esposito 381-1675

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818450/posts

Warren thinks some one actually cares about his questions!

OMMAG....don't we all care about his questions, because reading his questions actually show his state of mind(s)to the rest of us?

If it was my son or daughter sitting in this loser's line of fire, I would want them to have the option and ability to blow this scumbag away first. Simple as that.

I can see The GLOBE AND MAILS' headline tomorrow:

"ONE IN THREE CANADIANS WANT STRICTER GUN CONTROL!!!"

Any bets?

How about granting "Right to Carry" weapons permits to all school teachers and university professors/instructors who wish to obtain them. A stiff competency test would have to be instituted and passed before the permits were issued. Post the information outside all entrances of all schools stating that all classrooms may be manned by someone in authority carrying a concealed weapon. It would not matter if only a few teachers/professors/instructors availed themselves of the oportunity because the potential intruder would have no way of knowing whether or not he faced someone carrying a weapon. It would take some courage by all schoolteachers to accept this as they would become the first targets. I cannot think of a more effective dis-incentive to would be shooters that would involve less infringement on everyone's freedom of movement and that could be instituted relatively quickly and at less cost.

I'm not giving up my firearms just because some deranged piece of trash shot up a campus. I just hope this does not create a cascade effect of further shooting sprees.

Man, if I were a teacher with a gun in a classroom, I'd be so tempted to shut the annoying kids up...

Unfortunately there are no easy answers for a tragedy like this. The fact is that banning guns is an infringement of freedom, while increasing security in schools would work but quite costly given the comparatively rare number of incidents(historically) at these schools that would ultimately detract from the educational experience.

Of course, if I were a parent or a friend of a victim, I would say that we should bare any cost or burden but we have to ask ourselves whether it is feasible.

Of course we don't need more gun regulations. The worst shootings happen in "gun-free zones" because there is no defense. But common sense rarely prevails. Consider this quote by Virginia Tech Spokesman Larry Hincker, in January 2006, after a bill giving VT students and employees the right to carry guns was rejected, "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Who cares if they have stricter gun control laws or not?

If I want to own a gun I will simply *BUY ONE* - legal or not.

It doesn't matter to me what Liberals or the CPC/Liberal-lites are concerned about.

Is anyone aware of a university where students or faculty are allowed to carry concealed weapons? If so have there been any incidents of shootings at these campuses?

I was sitting with 2 Americans when the shooting was reported on CNN in a restaurant for lunch. All of us voiced our concern for the families of the victums and then we started talking about gun laws here verses there... we concluded that if a person has the means and want of a gun, it doesn't matter where you live...

Enough green will get you a gun regardless of what side of the border you live on.

What we really need to do is find a way to stop devaluing life and instill in the public that everyone is responsible for their actions...

These incidents will continue to happen... nothing anyone can do short of taking every single weapon away from the public (not going to happen)... there are a lot of screwed up people out there and just as many disfunctional parents, boyfriends, girlfriends, teachers, counsilers, doctors, and not to mention everything out of Hollywood screwing them up.

Regardless, tougher laws mean nothing... when the Liberal appointed judges won't impose a sentence that matches the offence what's the point in tougher laws?

UV was a "gun free zone" ruling out all possibility that a faculty member, adult employee, grad student, anyone that could have exercised his 2nd Amendment right, got his gun out of his car, desk, locker could have assisted these kids. It's pretty obvious local law enforcement weren't up to the task. Lots of time went past without help being there for these kids.

I'm not saying that was even a possibility this morning, but, I'm not dismissing it either.

There are so many questions to be answered, we'll see.

This tragedy is sickening, and the Globe and Mail is disgusting. Shame on them. A police state or an armed society, that is the choice we have. Let's hope we avoid the police state.

Mope and Wail is already screwing with the results.

Canada has some of the most strigent gun laws in the world, the Grope and Flail can't change that.

Erm, folks, I do believe Warren was referring to the original post ("I don't think they expected these results").

It's almost time for Alby to show up and claim that the meanies at SDA have manipulated the results, like they did to Suzuki's poll.

As of 02:07 AM, the poll results are:
yes - 6034 34%
no - 11960 66%

I didn't get a chance to vote in this poll. Although, like I posted in a previous thread, I joined the NRA today with my first 1 year membership. There's my vote.

I went back to the G@M and found the poll and voted 'No'. I thought they removed it.

It's been fun lately to watch the Globe and Mail website. The comments sections close and then disappear when there are too many conservative comments. Look at yesterday's Hijab story as an example.

One of the best professors I had in university was ex-Canadian military. Strict classroom, no bs, ran it like a boot camp. Loved it.

When I worked in Arkansas the owner of the resturant I most frequented wore a side arm. Felt perfectly safe. Had the best ribs and pie I've ever tasted. (Sorry Mom).

How about having teachers who are ex-military and armed.

i want to get the tank ....my gov't cannot protect me
can i?

Someone interviewed a young man, from jail, who had killed several students when he was 16. He commented that he was really unaware, tho he should have been, that when he shot those people they would not get up again. After all, in video games one can shoot and kill a person/thing over and ovder, and they always get up. Maybe we have to teach kids what death is.
OT, but we need some humor today. Rush L, on reporting the death of Don Ho, said one can't use that word anymore, so he kept saying Don bleep.

Taking Warren's question seriously (though I know I shouldn't), I would offer the following response for him:

If you were to objectively read and parse the text of the poll question, it would be fairly obvious that the question was written with the expectation of a positive answer. As noted by Blackadder, the heart of the question is should Canada "enact stricter gun controls TO PREVENT similar incidents here"...the implied understanding in this question being that IF stricter laws were enacted, THEN similar incidents would be PREVENTED.

That is why, Warren, we "know" that the G&M wouldn't have expected the results. Okay?

They could easily have asked a less leading question, but they didn't. They are either: 1) sloppy journalists; 2) people with a poor command of the English language; or 3) writers with a leftist agenda.

Hmmm...actually, after having read what I just wrote, I think it is: 4) All of the above.

Canada has banned automatic pistols, semi-automatic pistols that can be converted to automatic, and semi-automatic military assault weapons for some time. So the G&M poll is not really very telling, one way or the other. A "No" might well simply mean that the respondent is aware that current laws are sufficient to prevent a Virginia Tech here.

In Virginia, on the other hand, (from the National Post):

BUYING A GUN IN VIRGINIA - No waiting period. - Would-be purchasers do not have to undergo safety training before buying a gun. - No guns for children under 12. - Individuals under 18 years old not allowed to possess handguns or assault weapons without the permission of their parents or under authorized supervision. - State police perform criminal background checks in addition to the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System check. - No checks on people buying weapons at gun shows if sold by private individuals or collectors; many of these transactions are cash and carry. - No restrictions on sale or possession of military-style semi-automatic assault weapons, such as the AK-47 and Uzi. They are as easy to buy as hunting rifles. - No restriction on the sale or possession of rapid-fire ammunition magazines capable of holding up to 100 bullets. - Gun owners do not have to register their firearms. - There is no state system to identify and disarm felons and other prohibited people who might have owned guns legally in the past. - No more than one handgun may be purchased by any one person within 30 days. State keeps record of such sales by licensed dealers; no records on shotgun and assault rifle sales, or handguns sold by private individuals. - Anyone can get a permit to carry a concealed loaded handgun in public. Residents of other states don't need to notify local police if they are carrying such guns.

I don't like the Canadian gun registry, by the way--that sort of "gun control" is just expensive optics. But Uzis on demand? I don't think so.

The talk here is for the most part the usual adolescent chest-thumping. Smarten up. Cooler heads need to prevail when this sort of thing happens.

"bloody assholes, leave it to the glop to be tasteless enough to play politics with that tradegy."

Does that comment refer to bloggers and commenters as well?

CTV is running a similar poll..

Is it necessary for Canada to implement stricter gun-control laws to avert mass shootings at educational institutions?

Yes 557 votes (48 %)
No 613 votes (52 %)

I see Dr. Dawg's point, however, in this case, the lack of gun control in Virginia did not contribute to these murders. Surely this sad little gelding would have found himself a gun somewhere on the eastern seaboard of the U.S. (I hear you can even purchase them illegally in some places). The utter defencelessness of the student population and the staff of VT made a man with a gun all powerful. One handgun, operated comeptently, would have prevented dozens of deaths. The biggest lesson to be learned from this is that the state simply cannot protect the individual citizen in all, or even most, circumstances. Rely on it at your peril.

Seems like a relatively idiotic question...the US has a capus nutter so do we legally repress moose hunters and target shooters.

I wager that most people drawn to answer such a poll in the affirmative are totally uneducated on what existing firearms law is or was....and not one of them can produce any empirical data to suggest that the current form of gun control legislating has had any impact on mass mureder/terror attacks.

So the GLobe poll proves that 38% of the population are retarded and the CTV poll proves an even greater 48% of the population are retarded. Apparently these safety conscious people believe it is better to be defenseless and you should cower behind a desk and hope that the the cops get there and don't hide behind their cruisers, like in Columbine or that the person next to you gets it and you can successfully play dead under their body. Thanks for your help bleeding hearts. I'd rather take my chances facing the gunman down with the Glock in my briefcase but as this is Canada, I guess i'll throw a rock at him.

This is a good opportunity remind everyone how well the police in Montreal handled the recent shooting there. by running to the sound of the gunfire without hesitation they may have saved many lives.

Yes
(36%) 7638 votes
No
(64%) 13560 votes

Seems the no side is faltering a little.

They need professors with guns, or would that make universities more unsafe.

Maybe they need to try and allow thoughts commonplace in the rest of society where it's permissable to say post man, woman, etc etc.

maybe if they weren't so intent on marginalizing men....

Or should I stop blaming the victims and just say if we had capital punishment,...

you may be right matt.

A friend and I have a theroy on polls/surveys etc.

In a 2 answer question as the poll was you can get 1/3 of people to agree to anything. I dunno why.

Watch the polls out there if you don't believe me. Most of the questions that allow for 2 answers will have the losing side somewhere between 23 and 43% no matter how outrageous the question.

1/3 of our population is completely whacko. Unfortunately it is not the same 1/3 on each vote.

Tell the assholes at the Globe that we DO have stricter gun laws than the US and it STILL happened here!!!

We are, once again, reminded of the removal of traditional morals from Western culture. This shooting is a result of a lack of self-control and a lack of respect for others.

Many on the right have previously pointed out that it is people and not guns who kill others. For example: guns don't kill people, abortionists kill people. This thread visits the familiar disputes of the past. There are many on the right who correctly point out that "gun control" contributed to an increase in the death count in this incident. There are also many on the left who correctly point out that "gun control" in Canada has contributed to a decrease (even in per capita terms) in these types of incidents as compared to American statistics. There are, after all, different situations and results vary from situation to situation.

However, the debate misses the main point. Consider another situation that has a similar disproportionate allotment of weapons. Let us suppose the man had been armed with the weapons he had and the other students and instructors had been disarmed as there were. In this hypothetical case, let us now change one or two things. Let us presume that this man simply had a reasonable amount of self control and was able to overcome his anger. Or let us presume that this man had an unusual amount of rage within him but held onto enough respect for others' lives that he visited a gym, put on some gloves, and "worked" on the bag for an hour or so instead of directing his anger at others. Or let us presume that he had both a reasonable amount of self control and a reasonable respect for others' lives. Had either of these two things been different, we would not have known the name of Seung Hui Cho.

The refusal of this man to control himself and his anger and his lack of respect for human life is the cause of the Virgina Tech trouble yesterday. If we had a greater sense of personal responsibility within our culture and if we both expected and demanded the same amount of personal responsibilty from others we would not even entertain a question such as the Globe's. I did not vote.

The fact that the Polls have been showing 33% would vote Liberal is proof enough how out of the loop people are on what's going on and more importantly what HAS gone on.

Any wacko or criminal can find a gun somehow if they're determined to do so. Laws do not enter into the equation. A hunter's rifle would never exact the carnage done at the Virginia College.
Registering a gun will tell you who owns the gun after the crime is committed , any fool can see it in no way prevents it.
So we see the usual people up yelling for gun registration and tougher gun control. It may be a good idea but it won't prevent deranged persons acquiring them.

See even you canadians oppose anymore rediclous gun control laws but knowing how liberals whos brains are the size of a mini M and M they will call for more stupid gun control laws becuase their tiny little brains cant be used ever

Wow. Jocks with guns. Closing time at the campus pub. Sheer utopia, innit?

In Israel, schools stopped being terrorist targets after they armed the teachers. They were no longer "soft targets".

"Wow. Jocks with guns. Closing time at the campus pub. Sheer utopia, innit?"

Much better the status quo, and only the nerds have guns eh dawgy?

Dr Dawg, athletes are a problem in your world?
Do you think a nerd pushed that desk in front of the door?
Name one "jock" shooter Dawgy.

Didn't the Mayor of Nagasaki (spelling bad sorry) get shot and it is basically impossible to own a gun in Japan? If the intended target was different, would the gun laws not have stopped it? That was not mentioned on the CBC.

Google 'Gun Control in Great Britain' and 'Gun Control in Australia'. I rest my case. For the rest of Wendy Cukier's lemmings out there, the cliff is that-a-way.

It was GUN CONTROL that lead to this incedent and you candians can see right through the lies from the liberal left