As far as I am concerned, if you has a ballet and chose not to return it, that is not anyone's fault but your own, if you don't vote don't complain about the results

The Liberals are still hoping to cash in on the old time worn scare tactics huh. I think that finally even gullible slow thinking Canadians, especially in Ontario, have been able to move. As for the Liberals, they can't because they have nothing else to offer.

Why doesn't Dion just buy some yayo and snort himself silly. He'll make more sense once he's higher than a kite.

Using Mr Dion's argument, General elections ar rigged as well, since the ballot papers are numbered in accordande with Part 8 section 116 (3) of the Canada Elections Act:

"The ballots shall be numbered on the back of the stub and the counterfoil, and the same number shall be printed on the stub as on the counterfoil."

http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=loi&document=part08&dir=leg/fel/cea&lang=e&textonly=false

We got a ballot and never voted. Sold the farm 6 yrs ago, so didn't think we should vote.
As for tracing ballots. How many know your ballot in federal or provincial elections can be traced if one wanted to.Every ballot is numbered and could be traced to your name and number on the voter list. Someone should tell dions handlers that in the west, farmer's second language is probably profanity, not french.

That's brilliant Stephane! At best he's calling KPMG incompetent at worst he suggests they ran a crooked ballot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the numbered/traceable ballots were used to ensure only eligible producers (those with valid CWB permit books ) could vote. No?

Can anyone tell me what kind of turnout Steph generated?

If the CWB is so desirable, why is it that Ontario and Quebec producers are not lobbying for inclusion in this obviously benificial arangement?

If the CWB is such a great deal, does it not follow that it will thrive in a dual marketing environment by the sheer force of it's superior advantage and benefits to producers.

Would anyone care to guess what an audit of the CWB might reveal in the coming months?

Any idea who is really making the izzy money?

Despite Dion's feigned outrage and vacuous bluster, I would really like some answers to the above questions.

Syncro

Good Catch Colin: Using Mr Dion's argument,General Elections are rigged as well.

Democracy Dion that's what it is all about, Not Socialism.

The liberanos are terified at what is under all the rocks at the CWB. It will mke adscam look like chump change.

O/T While SD was in Sask. lately he had reason to call the front desk from his hotel room and he asked that they send up some 'pepper'. The desk manager, thinking of the Chretian 'pepper' incident , wanted to be perfectly clear about the request for 'pepper' so he inquired "Would you like black pepper or white pepper, sir?" To which SD indignantly replied 'I want toilet 'pepper'!

I guess will never be a Liberal, sigh,
Mr Dion says the CWB represents democracy.

It looks like the CWB will have to work for a living now.

Does anyone care about the wheat board, really ?
The farmers will still vote conservative no matter what. The votes are in the cities.

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There it is folks..what the libs think of all you rural voters(see comment by Federal Gossip)Out of curiousity,I checked out link to his/her blog for some credibility factor..NONE! Lots of trash..one headline/photo,says only'John Baird likes Boyscouts'..no story,no credibility,just the 'smear'that the libs.whine so much about.Hey 'Federal',..Bill Graham ring a bell???

First a stupid question.

IF the CWB sells wheat so cheaply how come wheat from china is being shipped into th center of North America to make (tainted) dog food. The price has to be atleast $1 a bushel lower than the CWB price to make it cheaper after shipping.

This is a stupid argument:
"If the CWB is such a great deal, does it not follow that it will thrive in a dual marketing environment by the sheer force of it's superior advantage and benefits to producers." - If you change the entire premise of what you do you should not expect results to stay the same.

Crooked ballot? 50-50... I can't believe that people would suggest that ballots shouldn't be numbered. Easiest way to ensure you don't get people copying them. 2 numbers the same? someone is cheating. Espically important when you put a ballot in someones hand for 2 weeks before they have to mail it back.

The voters list still concerns me. Why wasn't a proper list constructed before the vote? The government gave 3 lists from separate sources to ensure they had the most people they could that should be on the list. If that is the list though, why was KPMG phoning people to see which ballot to use??

"We got a ballot and never voted. Sold the farm 6 yrs ago, so didn't think we should vote." - another good example of the voters list problems.... the list was only supposed to extend back 5 years.

And ya I would like to see an audit of the books too.

QUOTE: numbered the ballots for this plebiscite".

What an ass! The organizers of the ballot also mailed out ballots to specific addresses and people, too. So what? Or does Dion want his minion's (Cherniak's) recommended "vote early, vote often" philosophy to be operative?

Of course the ballots were numbered. How else can you ensure a person votes once? Who received and compiled the votes, independently from the government? KP_MG. Does Dipstick Dion suggest KPMG is "tainted"? Perhaps "Professor" Dion has a better method?

No, I thought so. Just another pandering Liberal at the plate.

"Can anyone tell me what kind of turnout Steph generated?"

Can anyone help here?

Next thing we know, Stephane Dion is going to claim that the sun is just a big lamp hanging in the sky that gets turned off at night so we can sleep.

Marvellous! How quaintly childlike, the Liberal intellect!

This is just the voice of a partisan Canadian
yelling back at the radio - "Chuck Strahl speaks for me."

Responding to the above comments, by Sammy, I will be more than happy to take and gossip by all parties....though I have not gotten much from the conservatives. I am aware that Bill Graham was a cross-dressing and dancing at gay clubs, but the guy is retired now and that was in the past.
Don't let the liblogs logo fool you for a second, even though I normally vote liberal.

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Send your goodies to federalgossip@mts.net
I post everything !

I would say there was around 350 there yesterday give or take. Hope that helps

Yes, we sold 6 yrs ago, but didn't sell all our grain-wheat/barley for a couple of years after sale. Should take 3 years to sell your farm to reduce the amount of tax your pay. If you have auction proceeds, capital gains and grain sales all in one year it is hard on the bank account come April 30th. So, yes, we were eligible for a ballot.

Barcs has shrill concern over the mechanism that set farmers free and yet ignores the decades of oppression he and others like him imposed on their neighbors. Gulag gaurd Barcs whining about his loss of control over his prisoners is both priceless and disgusting to watch.

How many Sask farmers returned ballots, for or against, and what percentage of those farmers =350.

Bryan...That helps put perspective on the size of the remaining gang members. Thanks.

Mary T... My folks are going through the same process. You still have a valid permit book because you have not sold all your grain from previous crop years? Correct?

Your ballot was tied to the permit book?

Isn't it great when the theorists preach to the realists? I would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Syncro

A liberal's definition of an unfair election is one they weren't allowed to steal.

If a liberal wins by fraud, that is a fair election (cemetaries full of pets elected JFK.)

If a liberal loses a fair election, it was stolen.

A liberal can never accept that losing is fair. A liberal lives under delusions that they are infallable in their moral righteousness and anyone who questions them is inherently evil.

Antenor said:
O/T While SD was in Sask. lately he had reason to call the front desk from his hotel room and he asked that they send up some 'pepper'. The desk manager, thinking of the Chretian 'pepper' incident , wanted to be perfectly clear about the request for 'pepper' so he inquired "Would you like black pepper or white pepper, sir?" To which SD indignantly replied 'I want toilet 'pepper'

Good one, I falls off my chair laughing ;)

Liberano's only care about being in control.

I find it funny that another liberano {federalgossip} is trying to up his stat counter by conning us to go look at his website. Nice try, but I wont bite and most of the rest here won't either.

I can't wait for the reports from Ms Fraser on all the crooked scummy thieving act the liberanos have done inside the CWB. Can anyone guess how much got skimmed and sent to to so tinpot dictator in Africa in the name of Canadian Steamship Lines?

I think the only thing all parties want it power.
Harper is acting like a Liberal more everyday, even the National Citizens (NCC) are dissing his budget.

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First, the crooked Liberals and the CWB supporters are throwing a tantrum about numbered ballots because it meant that they couldn't pull their usual trick of stuffing the ballot boxes (so to speak) to get a favorable result.
Sore losers.

'General elections are rigged'.
This has occurred.

And the crooked Liberals know more about that than anyone.

True story.

A senior citizen in Toronto went to his Liberal MP to get help on some hassel with the govt over his pensions or whatever.

The Liberal MP told him to go to hell because the senior did not vote for him.

Senior asked, how did you KNOW THAT?

Clearly the Liberals have always checked (fingered?) the ballots after voting, and Krooked Kingsley never bothered checking into these irregularities.
Even little Annie managed to 'find' a thousand votes or so in the dying minutes of an election to win one year.

That's how the crooked Liberal Party of Canada won so many elections.
Rules and laws are for other people, not Liberals.

You Con men are hilarious. Harper stabs Saskatchewan in the back on equalization, gives billions extra to Quebec - another 900 plus millions announcement today on aerospace - and wants the wheatboard killed at all costs, and you think he is doing this because he likes you.

Its American agribusiness whose interests Harper is serving, you stupid !WE$%RS.

Libs jail hardworking farmers,Dion attacks farmers and the electoral process, and poor Ted has to play the Bush card.
Who said 'liberalism is a mental disorder'?
anon#31

STEFFI's UPDATED CWB PRESS RELEASE

Just so everyone is clear on the impact of Flipper's plan to restore the CWB to monopoly status.

http://www.thiscanada.com/2007/04/02/steffis-updated-cwb-press-release/

ted: at least we won't have to feed you guys for free anymore if we can get to an open market. you don't have to have a lot of imagination to out perform the board in the barley market. i'm looking forward to the new rules. ritter will soon have to buy his own ticket to the liberal fund raisers from here on in.

"Its American agribusiness whose interests Harper is serving, you stupid !WE$%RS."

Sucks to be a lieberal right now, doesn't it Teddy boy?
Suck it up sunshine because PMSH is going to be around for a while!!
I love it.

I’ve recently concluded that utopians aren’t only on the left.

The National Citizens Coalition is utopian.

It doesn’t understand the realism of its own word “coalition”. Plus they can’t do math. Harper only has 125 seats out of 308, the rest are tax and spend seats elected there by Canadians. Ignore that and we’ll be in the wilderness for another 13 years.

Of course we want power, so we don't need a coalition. But we plan to do something constructive with the power, not just indulge in cronyism. Sure Harper is spending money, but the spending comes with a press release not a brown paper bag.

Power to Conservatives is about reversing the decades of Liberal rule. Power is needed to reverse monopolies so that Western Farmers doesn’t go to jail for not selling their products a monopoly.

There were 5 priorities in the last election there will be 5 more this time. If you don’t like it, vote for the power that Dion will give you because he stands for … ???

Ted,
CBC socialist like yourself are a riot. I know all the farmers responsible for 90% of the production in my area of birth in Saskatchewan and they are all thrilled to death over the vote. Typical of a socialist who want ignore the will of the people who voted set themselves free. The conspiracy theory that Americans are behind the vote is so ignorant it hardly deserves a response. A conservative principal is freedom with responsibilty a Liberal's is freedom not to be responsible. Eventually the principal of freedom with responsibilty wins as it speaks to higher human drive. Thats why we have seen Berlin walls fall and even countries like China more towards a free economy.

Responsibility! What a concept!!!

Syncro

While we are on the topic about rigging election, don't forget about Tina Keepers come from behind victory last year. While waiting for the reserve vote to come in, the NDP were ahead a couple thousand votes, the when the votes come in from the reserves , they were 97% for the liberals.
And wouldn't you know it, some reserves even had 100% voter turnout, isn't that great ???!!!

Oh, and on the reserve about 1 hour from my home, you are required to have a liberal lawn sign, or you don't get your monthly cheque. Heck, if that was the case, give me 2 liberal signs , just in case.

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Look, let's get a translation from De-Yawn e Franglish to proper rational English here...what the Librano Cherub is saying is that any "ballot" that does not favor Librano ideological fallacies is by default "tainted"....'Taint what we expected.....bwaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ahhh uh Stephanie you kill me. I bust a gut laughing at your transparent tomfoolery.

I'll take my chances with American agribusiness over Liberal (brown)bag men *any day of the week*.

[deleted - clean up your language - ED]

Tainted vote. Just liberal speak for 'fair vote.'

Way to go Ted! These rightwing nutbars amply prove that JS Mills was correct when he observed that not all conservatives are stupid people, but that most stupid people are conservatives.

Some goof thinks he has a chance outwitting the likes of Cargil and ADM when it comes to dealing on his grain.

Hurry to google nutbars to find out who JS Mills was.

"Tainted" ya that's good for a laugh coming from a liberal, The only thing that smells is the stench of corruption that has been covered up in this country. The monopolies, the foundations, the adscams all of these will hopefully come out.

Ted, you moron! you aren't an expert on the wheat board, an end to the board's monopoly was part of last years platform. It has been a long held veiw that the wheat board should go. When I was farming you would have had to pay me to grow wheat in particular and sell it to the board, and in the case of barley most of it already ends up on the open market anyway, and if the malt plants want it, I am sure they will make an offer in some way or another. On are farm we have never had any worse situations with the big American outfits rather than the Wheat board. I noticed yesterday that they left out the canadian players in the industry and will only talk about the American businesses up here

Albertaman, after the vote buying Harper is doing in Quebec at western Canada's expense, you won't me to buy the idea that you guys believe in principal and responsibility.

Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, you can't be fooled again. ROFLMAO.

Jake, judging buy what I see out of most Liberal types, I wouldn't go spouting off too much

One con supporter accuses me of playing the bush card - pulled it out of his ass I guess - and another calls me a moron and says that it has been a long held view that the board should go, and that he wouldn't grow board crops.

Long held by who? The same zeros who thought it would be ok to kill the crow because it wasn't fair to the CPR? The Cargil funded western wheatgrowers?

The farmers I know overwhelmingly support the board and wonder why so few ballots were cast. What proof does KMG have that the ballots were even mailed out?

The election is just another con on western Canadians. Just like Harper's equalization promise to Saskatchewan.

Ted, you forgot to mention how Harper also screwed Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and BC to
buy Quebec votes. Keep forgetting those things and you might end up joining these idiots and voting for Harper.

who told you that the crow rate was a wonderful thing? It prevented business and other things from being created because it was a subsidy that made it cheap to move grain. The same people who opposed an end to the crow rate and so on are the same people who today oppose the wheat board being supposedly weakened (the NFU, Wayne Easter and so on) The sask wheat pool would surely oppose it if they weren't so weak and fighting for there very survival

Consumers should get a vote now. The Milk Monopoly maintains high prices and less choice for Canadians - so we should be allowed to vote on the 300% import tariffs for dairy products.

The Milk Monopoly wouldn't have to be disbanded, they could keep selling quota and raising prices on Canadian dairy products. But Canadians should be able to vote for the freedom to buy dairy products at about half the price from the US, that's all.

Jake, who was it that said, if you're not a socialist when you're twenty, you haven't got a heart; if you're still a socialist when you're fifty, you haven't got a brain.

Yeah, Jake take a look around, examine history, to find all of those "stupid" people who were conservatives - Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Putin, Amadmanjihad, Dionsky?

To Ted and Jake, anybody who doesn't agree with them is a "neocon" (new conservative?), and are "stupid."

Perjoratives rather than policy; smear rather than debate; power, power, power. The election can't happen too soon, in my opinion.

Thanks Shamrock, well said

Bryan, I know the crow was a wonderful thing because it cost me a lot less money to ship my grain, and because a lot more families could still make a living on a section of land when the crow was in effect.

But tell me what businesses it hurt, and how things are so much better now.

Tell me also how your towns are booming, how you are keeping your schools open and the condition your roads are in. Oh yeah, the NDP is at fault for the roads right?

Jake was so right. Conservatives really are stupid people.

And "supposedly weakened" nothing. Harper and Strahl want the wheatboard killed. But not out of any love for you bozos. His recent cheating of Saskatchewan shows you don't mean dick to him.

Personally , I prefer " NEANDERCON ". Gonna' be an awesome couple of months for slagging grits .

Bryan, I know the crow was a wonderful thing because it cost me a lot less money to ship my grain, and because a lot more families could still make a living on a section of land when the crow was in effect.

But tell me what businesses it hurt, and how things are so much better now.

Tell me also how your towns are booming, how you are keeping your schools open and the condition your roads are in. Oh yeah, the NDP is at fault for the roads right?

Jake was so right. Conservatives really are stupid people.

And "supposedly weakened" nothing. Harper and Strahl want the wheatboard killed. But not out of any love for you bozos. His recent cheating of Saskatchewan shows you don't mean a thing to him.

Sorry Shamrock,
Hitler is one of yours. So were Pinochet and Botha. So was that dude in Indonesia that exterminated over a million people. So was Rios Monte.
You want to do a numbers game. Bring it on.

Ted, you sound like a Calvert loving socialist to me, Your wife probably loves sucking up her union pay cheque as well. You probably only farm a pissy little 500ac patch and half is summerfallow because your too cheap to buy fertilizer. Why don't you sell your farm to a new generation farmer and get out of our way so we can make Sask. a profitable place to live. Also all the farmers you know want the CWB because they are just like you, Brainwashed NDP'ers.

How many people were farming a section of land when the crow rate diappeared? Not very many, the crow rate being removed forced people to become more innovative and they went into cattle and hogs and many other things. Now I am not argueing that I like massive hog barns and so on, but the grain had to go somewhere and until bse and the drought came along in th 02-03 things in the cattle business weren't that bad, you did okay at it and there was cheap grain to be had. Let's remeber that it was the Liberal government that cut the crow rate and gave us a portion of what it was actually worth. The conservatives under Mulruney were going to do it sometime in the mid eighties and they didn't have the backbone to stand up and tell the nfu and the wheat pool to get lost (among others) and while all of this may not be perfect, a very small percentage of the reason you can't live off of a section of land today has to do with the loss of the crow!

STAY ON TOPIC

And keep the language civil.

Farm boy, you are such a man. You farm sections and are superior to those of us who only farm a couple of quarters. You are such a man.

Remember this though when Mr Banker comes to take your land out from under your nose - you can't keep raping the land with pesticides and herbicides forever. Sooner or later those unsustainble "farming practices" are going to bite your ass off.

Last I checked, hitler's party was known as the National Socialist party, accordingly that makes him a closer fit to such wonderful instituitions as the NDP

Better check again there Bryan. Read a book on political philosophy. Or read that one Hitler wrote himself and see what he thought about
socialists.

Hey Ted, my memory fails me.

Could you tell me again how many Western grain farmers voted to make the CWB a mandatory institution in the first place?

Was it more than the 62% that voted to get rid of it?

Damn, I forgot excatly when that vote was held.
Could you tell exactly when they voted for it?

Ted, I have proven my point. Why can't people try a little change every once and a while. This is why Sask is stuck in such a rut. The CWB is just the latest example of resistance to change. If we all put our heads together we could make this place a real boom, but there are just too many people that just want to argue about trying somthing new. I hope Strall follows through on his promise for marketing choice. Because until you see there is better way, the complaining won't stop.

No one cares about the farmers, they don't equal alot of votes.
Also to respond to the person that wants to remove the 300% tariff for american milk should know that Canadians can't even send milk to the states at all !
That is why the 300% import fee.
I think I trust drinking Canadian Milk over US milk, and milk is still cheaper than Pepsi. I would rather support CANADIAN farmers and pay a little more.

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I regularly jump the border for eggs milk cheese etc. I dont like to pay way way to much for anything.

Remember folks voting with your wallet is the best way to get the best results.

Getting caught up in the semantics of "Fascistism" and "Socialism/Communism" is pointless and takes away from the good arguements being made.

Extreme left and extreme right political views shouldn't be thought of in a straight line fashion. Take the straight line and bend it into a circle. The further away from the centre you go, in either direction, the closer you get to each other. There was not much difference between Hitler's fascist Germany, and Stalin's communist USSR.

As much as I may be anti-socialist, I'd never make such a stupid arguement as to say that Dion or Layton are just like Stalin. And anyone trying to make an arguement that Harper is just like Hitler is a moron.

The shades of "left" and "right" in Canadian politics is not THAT far from centre to justify those kind of comparrisons.

"I regularly jump the border for eggs milk cheese etc."

And by the time you add up your time, and gas, it costs more !! LOL !!

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Rockyt, no western farmers voted for the wheatboard. However, quite a few of them must have lobbied the Conservative government of RB Bennett since it was one of the few things Bennet
did to help western farmers out during the GREAT DEPRESSION.

62% voting against the wheatboard?? You must be using that new con math that keeps diverting Saskatchewan money to Quebec and saying fair is fair.

Try 13%.

When a Liberal tells me it is something that I need, i am more than a little nervous about it. I can't help but wonder what the Lib's are concerned about if there were to be a change in policy, maybe they have something they are hiding

federalgossip how wrong can you be.

lets see first off fuel 1.16 a litre here in vancouver 2.69 a gallon across the border (thats about70 cents a litre)

butter here at safeway 4.99 a pound or fred myers at 1.69 a pound

I could go on but im sliding off topic.

Oh, cripes, Ted, take off the partisan Liberal hat for once and admit that forcing anyone to sell to only one buyer is not in the interests of a free society.

Or, perhaps you don't like living in a free society, which would explain your love of that cuddly Venezuelan dictator.

Doh! I think I got Ted and Dr. Dawg confused. They're both dolts, but it turns out I've singled out the wrong dolt here.

Ted the CWB was brought about during the second world war to help out the brits. It had nothing to do with helping farmers and never will.

I still want a few rocks turned over so we can see the liberano slime try to hide from the light.

If the CWB is the be all , end all , best thing ever for Canadian grain farmers then why ?
1. Closed books
2. It is not inclusive ie: all Canadian producers are not subject to the CWB

Both questions have the same answer , methinks ...

Throw enough manure at something and some of it sticks Bryan.

How about a little less time speculating on possible wrong doing at the WB and a little more answering my questions about how much killing the crow has done for Saskatchewan towns, schools and roads?

While you are at it, tell us how many more farmers are on the land today in Saskatchewan than when it was eliminated, and how much land values have gone up.

Now some con is calling me a dolt. Quite the debating skill there.

Got a source for that claim FREE?

I'm not debating. I'm calling a dolt a dolt.

There should not be a debate on the Wheat Board. Based entirely on geography, it turns western Canadian producers into serfs, forcing them to sell to one buyer under penalty of jail and potential forfeiture of property.

You tell me how this is suitable for a democracy and a free nation.

Bill D., you ever hear of trade secrets, client lists and proprietary information?

Do let me know when Cargil opens its books to the public.

Ted me thinks that you don't do well with change, and you lack imagination, the crow transported jobs out of the prairies. Rural decline has been on the go for years, and the most recent surge by what I can see is do to the situation we are in do to people losing a lot of money do to frosts and drought and a lot of rain in the fall at in opportune times. There was a lot of money lost in the crop well before the railways got it.

Jake, I assume you are meaning the origins of the Wheat Board:

"The CWB’s validity as a policy instrument has always been controversial. From 1917 until the end of World War I, and again in 1935, the government established the CWB to ensure the orderly sale of grain under difficult conditions. In its original form, the Board was a compromise tool for increasing returns and stabilizing income, and was based on voluntary participation. In 1943, when agriculture and the supply of food to Canada’s allies once again became an important national goal, farmers’ participation in the CWB became compulsory."

http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/modules/prb98-2-grain/grainindex-e.htm

So, here you have an institution that was VOLUNTARY until war. Then, war was over, but big government doesn't want to take their hands out of the register and doesn't want to let Western Canada out from under their thumb.

Screw that. My family and friends are no one's serf.

try gasbuddy.com, for the rest go check out just about any grocery store south of the soviet canuckistan border.

Yukon Gold, you potatoe head. You aren't debating because you don't have the ability.

But speaking of dolts, dolt, why don't you tell us how well farms are doing in Montanna and North Dakota? They don't have the "wheatboard oppression" there so they should just be booming.

What's that you say dolt? They aren't booming. Montanna doesn't even have half of Saskatchewan's population.

Go figure.

WTF???

" Bill D., you ever hear of trade secrets, client lists and proprietary information? "

Proprietary ? .... Like we've got these suckers under our collective thumbs , how much will you give us ?

Montana has what? 10% of the land area of sask? Speaking of DOLTS!!!

Jake:

"In 1943, the federal Parliament amends the legislation to make membership mandatory, instead of voluntary. This action is taken in conjunction with the federal government’s efforts to provide food aid during World War II. However, the mandatory requirement remains in place after the war."

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/economy/cdn-wheat-board/wheat-board-structure.html

Bryan, I do fine with change. But some change isn't for the better. Killing the crow was change for the worse - not for eastern shareholders of the CPR, but certainly for western Canadians.

Jake, I put Hitler in there to prove your ignorance. Hitler only believed in private ownership of production, he still ran a command economy, not exactly hallmark of conservatism, which clearly you don't understand; hance the use by some of the term neoconservative.

How old are you anyway?

Yukon Gold,
I am not sure how you can restrain yourself and not punch people like Ted,Barcs or Jake squarely in the kisser. Even to a non farmer like me reading their socialist pap that contains no real justification( other than someone may not be equal) for continuing the system of oppression is disgusting. Good-on all you farmers who voted to set yourselves free!

Ted, once you agree that all of Canada should fall under the Wheat Board's jurisdiction, then maybe I'll bother debating.

Until then, I'll just remind you that discrimination is illegal in Canada. I'll also point out that Dan Quayle would be very proud of your spelling.

Sure you did Shamrock, sure you did. If you knew what you were talking about, and you obviously don't, you'd also know that Hitler's ecomomy was much less command orientated than the war economies of Britain, Canada and the USA.

How old are you anyway?

Remember CWB is a tool that Liberal Party Uses

Canadian Wheat Board Pays a Political Debt with Farmer’s Money
(August 30, 2004 - Airdrie) "The board of directors of the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB) are using farmers' money to pay a political debt to the minister responsible for the CWB, Reg Alcock" said Douglas McBain, President of Western Barley Growers Association, when commenting on the hiring of Avis Gray, Minister Alcock's re-election campaign manager, to lobby government for the CWB.
The political debt to Minister Alcock results from his not carrying out a promise to do a review of the CWB as a result of the $85.4 million the federal government was forced to pay to cover guaranteed initial payments in 2002-03. Bringing out details of the CWB marketing failure in 2002-03, when world grain prices were reaching record highs, would have caused considerable embarrassment to the CWB board of directors.

"Putting Avis Gray on the CWB pay roll is not any different than the CWB board of directors attending Liberal fund raising events using money out of farmers' pool accounts" continued McBain.

"With five government appointed members paid for by farmers today, and as the CWB is a legislated monopoly reporting to the federal government, why is a government relations lobbyist even required?" asked McBain.

Since the change from government appointed commissioners in 1998 to a board of directors which are elected and appointed, the CWB cost to farmers has grown by 15 to 20% annually.

"We ask that the CWB board of directors cancel the appointment of Avis Gray and put more effort into conducting farmers' business instead of initiatives which are solely self serving" said McBain.

Thanks for that link on the origin of the wheatboard Yukon. So... Ted was correct and Free was wrong.

Last time I looked, no reputable historian believed Canada was fighting WW2 in 1935.

Western Canadian Barley Growers - are they funded by Cargil too?

You're right Jake, all my university profs were wrong. You are so wise. Now be quiet and go to your room, it's way past your bedtime.

Shamrock, you must've slept through your university poli-studies classes, or taken them at the UofC. Or perhaps you just failed the course.

No poli-studies prof or historian in his or her right mind would claim that Hitler's Germany was a command economy.

Thanks for the quip Free. Now add the pops and areas of the Dakotas and Montana together.

Also last I looked the US had a Senate that represents the regions fairly, not a federal government that takes money from the great plains region and moves it to Quebec.

I am glad someone brought up the crow rate.As the price of grain increased the percentage of the cost of freight got less and less under the crow. A small farmer may realize two or three thousand dollar return because of the crow but a big farmer could have savings enough to purchase a quarter of land every year which many of them did.The crow was a major influence on the depopulation of Sask.,even more than Alta or Man.

Ted

Western Canadian Farmers eh?

Syncro

I guess Jake stopped reading about a sentence too soon.

"...In 1943, when agriculture and the supply of food to Canada’s allies once again became an important national goal, farmers’ participation in the CWB became compulsory"

I'll paste it again so you can truly comprehend it:

" In 1943, when agriculture and the supply of food to Canada’s allies once again became an important national goal, farmers’ participation in the CWB became compulsory"

Albertaman, I don't want to make it sound like I'm a farmer... I'm not. My family does have a farm, however, and many of my friends are still on the farm. I just can't understand this ridiculous notion that a war-time act of parliament that made sure farmers didn't profit too much from their grain is still in effect.

Ted said: "Western Canadian Barley Growers - are they funded by Cargil too?"

Hey Ted, are you funded by the CWB, too?

Yukon Gold, the person who needs to comprehend it is the person who thinks that Hitler's Germany was a command economy.

But perhaps you need to do some comprehending of your own. Reread the sentence about 1935. Who was lobbying Bennett for the board?

Never realized that about the Crow rate Spike 1.
So when the crow was eliminated, instead of a net loss of about 50,000 farms in Saskatchewan, the number of farms in Saskatchewan grew?

It didn't?

WTF?

Sounds like another con job.

For Jake (after two minutes with google):

"In a economic sense, Nazism and Fascism are related. Nazism may be considered a subset of Fascism, with all Nazis being Fascists, but not all Fascists being Nazis. Nazism shares many economic features with Fascism, featuring complete government control of finance and investment (allocation of credit), industry, and agriculture. Yet in both of these systems, corporate power and market based systems for providing price information still existed. Quoting Benito Mussolini: 'Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.' "
http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/n/na/nazism.html#Economic%20Theory

Not that I care. Back to the real point - Dionsky is an ideologue, of which he accuses others of being - surprise, we are all "ideological." Dionsky actually said the CWB is free to farmers. This guy could care less what Sask farmers want, he is a socialist bent on centralizing Canada under his dirigiste wing, using the environment as cover; and, he is going to lose the next election big time.

Jake, you need to differentiate between leaders who will use democratic means and those who won't. Calling one conservative and the other socialist actually means nothing.

Dionsky, while marxist in his outlook, still believes in democracy. So does Harper and (virtually) every Western leader. Can you say the same for all socialist leaders?

It is truly a wonder that we take the time to try and debate with the likes of the Liberal trolls that continue to plague us on this site. Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder that seems to be incurable and Socialism is the handmaiden to it. Anyone that is so convinced that Nazism was not a command economy must have been educated at university by the likes of Stefan Dion. I think it was Herman Goering that once said something to the effect of "Guns before butter!"

Thanks for your honesty Shamrock, and for admitting your error - albeit somewhat indirectly.

As for Harper believing in democracy... I'm not sure he believes in it any more than Bush.

The Cons destroyed the Progressive Conservative party by less than democratic means, and now they are trying to destroy the Wheatboard to serve their corporate masters/funders.

Do all socialist leaders believe in democracy? Certainly not. But neither do all capitalists and industrialists.

Antenor, are you saying that someone who comes to this board to try and liberate people from ignorance is a troll?

If so, you certainly need more trolls here.

Read Shamrock's post just above your own where he found that I was correct and he was not. And take the time to educate yourself on fascism, nazism and socialism. Knowledge is your friend, not something to be feared.

Ted said: "Western Canadian Barley Growers - are they funded by Cargil too?"
Who cares who funds them as long as it isn't the Canadian taxpayer.
It is the Liberals who as evidenced by Alcock and Gray who want Canadian taxpayers to pay their bills for Liberal hacks.
Cargil is spending their own money and if you don't like their method of operation buy some shares and voice your disapproval Ted instead of the usual socialist whine.

Antenor,
Well said.
Churchill once said "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy". Orsaid another way" Philososhy of Failure of Jake, the ignorance of Ted and Envy of Barcs".
We know there is no basis for the argument that Ted, Jake and Barcs espouse other than ignorance and jealousy. They attempt to rationalize but never can point an actual good as their understanding of economics is that of a 6 year old.
What other possible motivation would disregard the freedom of tens of thousands of farmers in favor of a socialist relic of the past like the CWB.

Peter, you are proving JS Mills right in his observation once again. I'm sure Ted would buy shares in Cargil and try and influence their business operations if he could. Unfortunately,
for Ted and every other farmer who has bought their anti-wheatboard propaganda and machinations, Cargil isn't a publically traded company. Never has been.

What farmer worth his salt wouldn't know that?

Albertaman, you don't give a rat's behind about western farmers or you wouldn't misrepresent the numbers. Nice job quoting the aristocrat war criminal Churchill to boot.

Jake, which part of "Nazism shares many economic features with Fascism, featuring complete government control of finance and investment (allocation of credit), industry, and agriculture." - don't you understand.

Yes, Jake just keep re-stating your fallacious arguments; maybe someone will actually fall for them. Good luck. Bye.

It's been a slice but I've other things to do - like working to get an honourable man elected.

To our next Prime Minister, Stephane Dion and his western lieutenants, David Orchard and Ralph Goodale, guys who will actually do something of benefit to Saskatchewan.

It's been a slice but I've other things to do - like working to get an honourable man elected.

To our next Prime Minister, Stephane Dion and his western lieutenants, David Orchard and Ralph Goodale, guys who will actually do something of benefit to Saskatchewan.

Jake, Ted:

Fascists are to communists what Shias are to Sunnis. They are mutually hostile competitive forms of the same thing.

Fascists and Communists are competing (and mutually hostile) forms of Totalitarian State Socialism. Shia and Sunni are competing (and mutually hostile) forms of Islam.

It is incorrect to state that Hitler hated socialists. What he hated is Communists. The difference is vital for your understanding. It is common for competitors not to like each other very much.

Notice that Hitler's Fascists and Stalin's Communists got along just fine until Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back by invading Russia. Up until that point, the communists in the Unions of the west were militantly hostile to the war effort against the Nazis. There was even sabotage in munitions factories prior to Hitler's treachery (guess you get what you get when you chose such vermin for friends...)

Bottom line, statists of all sorts are all your people.

As for Harper "screwing" all the leach provinces, at what point in your miserable lives did you figure out you had a right to other people's money?

Saying that welfare provinces have a right to make more money than the paying provinces while keeping the free money you didn't earn is like a welfare bum demanding to keep the welfare check when they get a job.

You only take charity (which is what it is) until you no longer need it. Leaching parasites feel the entitlement to bleed their host to death.

Want more? Get a F'ing job.

"To our next Prime Minister, Stephane Dion and his western lieutenants, David Orchard and Ralph Goodale, guys who will actually do something of benefit to Saskatchewan."

Our next prime Minister, Stephanie? Man, the one thing the left is good for...a damn good laugh!!

Just one last post see that I now must respond to.
Shamrock, you've never set foot in a university class room have you?

What part of "Yet in both of these systems, corporate power and market based systems for providing price information still existed," didn't you understand?

Also, the Alberta Socreds tried to administer credit. Did Alberta have a command economy? Were the Socreds trying to bring it about?

The Reform / Alliance Chuck Strahl Announcement last Thursday stated the CWB was not wanted is a skewed and utterly perverted process. The Reform Alliance announcement demonstrates an absolute and complete loss of faith in the Canadian Farmer and a huge blow to Western Canada. 3/4 of Western Farmers want the CWB in one form or another to stay yet the Conservatives say they want it to go? Can you say Weapons of Mass Destruction ? Probe Research and Ipsos Reid say Manitobans and Canadians want the CWB, every farmer I have spoken to wants it the only people that do not are the died in the wool Reform /Alliance types who do not want to part company with Harper and his extremists. Minister Strahl is absolutely disgraceful and I think the Reform / Alliance types are giddy on power and are trying to goad the Liberals into an Election with this kind of misinformation.

Ahhh, I knew it. Jake is just a kid extolling the virtues of socialism while living off his parents' gain in capitalism.

Irony, thy name rhymes with "Booniversity student."

Hey, Browners, if Canadians want the CWB, then they can have it. Just make sure it reverts to its original mandate -- an option-in marketing board.

Until then, you do not have the right to tell ANYONE they can't sell their own product.

Browners.

Rhetorically speakin....Did ja come by the name honestly?

Syncro

Back on topic:
How can Dion make an accusation like that without a reaction from KPMG?

Jake,
" Albertaman, you don't give a rat's behind about western farmers or you wouldn't misrepresent the numbers. Nice job quoting the aristocrat war criminal Churchill to boot"
It is bad enough that you support a system that oppresses the rights of farmers but to call one of the Greatest men of the past century a War Criminal. If it wasn't for the likes of leaders like Churchill you would be sucking the botttom of boots of the Nazis. I would be willing to bet that you think the same of our veterans who killed Nazis and enabled ungratefull pieces of ---- like you to feel free enough to spew your socialist crap.
Churhill would have hated a WB in peace time and would think Dion as a weak kneed dweeb made in the likes of the Hitler appeaser Chamberlain.

It still boils down to FORCING Ontario and Quebec farmers to be under the CWB rules.

I have stated from the beginning of this debate, if it is such a good deal then place ALL wheat farmers under the board. I guarantee that within two weeks of bondage under the CWB that it will be dismanteled. [After a few Ont. and Que. farmers are jailed.]

Either put ALL farmers under the CWB or give ALL farmers a choice.

After all the grain is suppose to belong to the farmer, let them decide.

Interesting fiction Warwick. You must be another Con.

Fascists weren't at all socialist and weren't just hostile to Communists but all socialists including democratic socialists. They were the people Hitler went for first before the Jews and gypsies. His hate for them was the same sort of hate an objectivist, Harperite or Republican might have.

Einstein was a self-proclaimed socialist. You give me anything similiar by Hitler.

You also reference the Hitler-Stalin pact. You should be happy Stalin got it... or you'd be speaking German. Stalin saw the dark clouds rising and wanted to enter into mutual defense pacts with France and England but they rebuffed him completely. The pact did nothing but buy Stalin precious time.

Spanish civil war anyone?

As for being Saskatchewan being a leach province, Ontario has leeched for years, the provinces have the Constitutional right to their natural resource revenues, Quebec hydro revenues aren't taken into account, and ALBERTA got to keep its natural resource revenues and receive equalization when it was just getting going with Leduc.

The claim that the cap was imposed to keep welfare provinces from getting more money than paying provinces is another Con job since Quebec already gets more than Saskatchewan and Newfoundland.

Quebec just matters more to the Conservatives than the west. Just like the Liberals.

This board is like the hotel California. I had family die fighting the fascists Albertaman, and rather than thanking that war criminal Churchill who favoured the incendiary bombing and destruction of German cities, and after the end of the war the execution of the entire German army officer corps, you should be thanking Joe Stalin and the 20 million Russians who gave their lives to keep you out from under the jackboot of fascism, a jackboot rightards like you want to bring us under.

Like Harper and the Cons, Hitler was also a law and order, get tough on crime and criminals kind of guy. He also kept his promise to the desert fox the same way Harper kept his to Newfoundland and Saskatchewan.

That must mean Hitler was another con man.

I agree with the leftards - what could be worse than people who are directly affected by gov't decisions, in their own business, having a say.

G*D damn the conservatives (or anyone else) for asking ...

I see that, once again, Godwin's Law has been shown to be ironclad in its application.

There's a couple of Communists here trying to spread false propaganda about the CWB, farmers and democracy and to demonize the Prime Minister just because he's not a Communist, too.

The vote is over and the verdict is rendered.

They don't accept a democratic vote. Being Communists, that's not a surprise. But Dion not accepting a valid, democratic vote, just 'cause? Very bad sign. For the Liberals. Dion's antidemocratic. Like all Communists.

So what if those who wanted to keep the CWB didn't vote? They could've. But they didn't. Their loss. If there were that many who favored it in the first place, which is doubtful, as one would've expected them to show up.

Look, if Dion were to win the next election (he won't), and reinstate the CWB's monopoly, that is proof that he's a Communist. Think about that. State monopoly on industry, no democracy... Commie.

Calling others stupid when oneself is stupid is projection for the purpose of deluding oneself into false confidence in one's dogmae and in the brainwashing one has suffered.

Calling us stupid, in the minds of the useful idiots, helps them to falsely perceive us to be stupid and wrong. That is delusional, and delusion is a mental disorder.

Guillible, naive, nonthinking people like those who've been manipulated into spreading the lies as on this thread are a primary cause of much of what's wrong with Western society today.

It's over. No more CWB. Get used to it. Move on.

Jake, you're back here extolling the virtues of your good old uncle Joe Stalin? I thought you were off getting Stephane Dion elected?

Not going so well, huh? Get used to it. The way you think, life is going be a whole crapload of disappointments for you.

thank GOD for that Yukon Gold

Extolling the virtues of uncle Joe, hell no. Correcting con disinformation, you bet.

Life time of disappointments - not after the next federal election.

Canadian sentinal - there was nothing democratic about the wheatboard vote, at least nothing in the normal, as opposed to GW Bush election stealing, sense of the word nor in the fascist Strahl's interpretation of same.

And in two years besides having a democratic Senate, Congress and President, Canada will have a democratic ie. Liberal Prime Minister, and reinstated Wheatboard protecting western Canadian farmers. Harper can go back to being a mouthpiece for the NCC and you rightwing nutbars can crawl back under your rocks.

Hey cons, what's a Browner?

Jake,
The 20 million Russians died after they were betrayed by Hitler and had no choice but to fight him. They were allies up that point you lying piece of revisionist----. Typical of socialist revising history to suit his twisted purposes. It wasn't only Churchill that ordered the bombing of Germany it involved all the allies including CANADA. The pattern of a Liberal is again obvious. The conservative identifies with the victim of the crime and acts to support the victim. The Liberal identifies with the criminal and finds excuses why they committed it and why they shouldn't be held accountable.
In the case of the CWB we support those that want freedom you support those that want keep them in chains.

Albertaman, you are either completely uninformed on the origin of the Hitler-Stalin pact, or it is you who is the lying piece of. Typical of a con to revise history to his twistered purposes. And it certainly was Churchill who pressed for the fire bombing of Germany's cities and the civilians in them and after the war, the execution of the German Army officer corps. Stalin and FDR put the kibosh on that one.

In the case of the wheatboard, we support the farmers Harper wants to hang out to dry so American agribusiness can take over and run things like they do in the US. You support american agribusiness.

Farmers vs American-agribusiness.
Progressives vs. Conservatives.

On the subject of crime, you support victims so long as they are middle class and clamouring for more law and order like you do. If they are poor, you don't care a bit and would rather they also committed crime so you could put them in prison.

In the heat of debate I referred to Strahl as a fascist.

While I believe he knows nothing about prairie agriculture and is doing what he is doing not out of concern for any farmer but at the behest of American agribusiness, that his wheatboard vote was anything but democratic, and that his interpretation of the voting results is completely skewed and untenable, I clearly crossed a line and wish to apologize.

Mr. Strahl, the comment was unwarranted and undeserved. Sincerest apologies.

I can't believe there are actually people who believe in the state imprisoning people for selling their legally-grown, perfectly legal crops all by themselves. In Canada.

I think such people are either Communist propaganda agents...

Or "useful idiots", brainwashed and manipulated into propagating the propaganda imposed upon them, perhaps by Communist propaganda agents, foreign and domestic.

Of course the vote was democratic. Only a delusional international socialist would claim it wasn't.

And calling someone a "fascist" for putting to a vote that which concerns the people voting and respecting and implementing the verdict is another leftwing brainfart.

The verdict has been rendered. It will be respected and implemented. Farmers can now exercise their liberty as guaranteed by the Charter and anyone who dares to go "fascist" and reinstate the state monopoly and imprison farmers for exercising their Charter-guaranteed liberties, as Stephane Dion obviously would, is therefore a Communist. I therefore believe Dion to be a communist, for communist is as communist does.

My Canada rejects communism.

It is decided. By the very people it concerns.

Move on.

I haven't read through all the comments yet, and maybe someone has made this point, but a few years ago when the Liberals did a farmer plebicite on wheat and barley marketing, the ballots were numbered. Perhaps Mr. Dion ought to be reminded of this....

"3/4 of Western Farmers want the CWB in one form or another to stay yet the Conservatives say they want it to go"

So if it were an option in an open market system, your "3/4 of Western Farmers" could join - the rest will have the option just like their peers in Eastern Canada.

It's called Freedom of Choice, Browner.

Do I understand this correctly? We have a commentor who is defending Stalin and Stephane in the same breath?

Sweet!

The guy seems to me to be a true hardcore liberano oops communist oops totalitarian control freak oops NAZI!!!!

I guess they are all the same to those of us that are into things like FREEDOM.

Just think my father did 2 tours in Korea fight scum like this.

No, Kate, you misunderstand. But thanks for cleaning up the multiple posting. Albertaman was saying I should thank the war criminal Churchill for not liking the boot heels of the nazis. I said he should actually be thanking Stalin and the 20 million Russians who died fighting Fascism, the guys who actually won the award.

His hero is Stalin and Stephane and his enemies are Churchill and Harper. Churchill is a war criminal and Stalin is the Western world's savior.
This punk has to be living in Dion world of playtime academia where no perpetual adolescence is a way of life.

FREE, your father participated in an imperialist war Canadians had no right to be in. And you have no right to compare him to a Vet from the first or second great wars - just wars where democracy and feedom actually were at stake.

I had relatives die fighting in those great wars. They didn't die so Harper and Strahl could sell out western farmers for their agribusiness friends and justify their doing so with the bogus results of a bogus vote, or cheat the west to buy votes in Quebec.

They died so we could manage and determine our affairs with democratic government and free and fair votes, and live relatively prosperous lives.

"there was nothing democratic about the wheatboard vote, at least nothing in the normal, as opposed to GW Bush election stealing, sense of the word nor in the fascist Strahl's interpretation of same."

There's iberia, a, steved - but this pretzel brained moonbat takes the cake. How many different ways can you dissect this statement? What does it say of the mental condition of the 'person' who wrote it?

"Stalin and Stephane in the same breath" may be the only logical connection this retread has come up with. Afterall, Stephane was admittedly a Trotsky Communist.

Don't you rightards ever get tired of lying or are you just real poor at understanding anything but the most simple of ideas?

No where have I said that my hero is Stalin. The guy was a meglomaniac, murderous, thug and dictator.

What I said is that Stalin, and the 20 million Russians who died when Hitler marched east,
won the war against the Germans. While America might have been able to win it with nukes if they had enough time, they may not have had it if the Germans had as easy a time conquering Russia as they thought they would and were again able to divert their resources west.

We'll never know. What we do know is that Russia's contribution to winning the war was immense and Chuchill's contribution was not.

Wow Jake: you sound like a complete idiot!
Abraham Lincon abolished slavery and there were still (slaves) who wanted to be slaves, just because they knew nothing else!
like dogs returning to their own vomit!
Today, you couldn't find one that would want to be a slave!

It's been pointed out that only western canada is forced into the cwb.
you call that democracy...i call it slavery!

You can return to the vomit if you want.
I'm not looking back
the air is smelling fresher!
Have at'er Chuck
the majority have spoken!

Jake, Jake, haven't you gotten Stephane elected yet? What happened to your Harper is Hitler slogan? I thought you had me there - both Harper and Hitler were against price controls.

The moonbats are really blowing a gasket these days. Projection is the order of the day. So far as I can detect they have two campaign ideas - stop a Tory majority and prove the Tories are just as corrupt as they used to be. Jake, surely you jest with your David Orchard endorsement (now I know where US agricorp comment from). If you want to talk about an ideological contradiction, look at Mr Orchard. Hang in there Jake, keep up the false bravado as long as possible, keep up the wacko Churchill war criminal and Harper Hitler (or is it Bush?) comments. That'll get your man elected. Sorry, Dionsky is a spent force right out of the gate, with his statist vision, keystone cops team and power for policy approach. Projecting Tories as worse than Liberals won't work, but by all means keep trying. Of course, we're willing to give Dion a pass on the looming Sponsorship charges (Not, and there will be more) and Hollandgate is just around the corner (which was goofier, this or his Oilsands comments?). Maybe you and Mr Orchard (he's a Liberal now, where have I been?), think the B-team can pull this off. I don't, and until the Liberal party admits it is still corrupt and hopelessly biased to Central Canadian interests, then renews, the A-team will not return and power will be impossible

The cons seem every bit as hopelessly biased to Central Canadian interests as the liebrals, and based on the wheatboard election and those floor crossings, as corrupt.

Ted, isnt that the pot calling the kettle black.

Liberano's accusing anyone else of the crimes they commit makes me laugh and make me make sure I vote. Unlike the liberanos, I will only vote once, not the liberano "vote early, vote often" mantra.

Jake - Ted - Lothar - please pick a name and stick with it. If you're going to comment here, refrain from the pretense of playing two roles on the same thread.

Thanks Kate for exposing Ted-Jake-Lothar. Typical Liberal snake resorting to lies and deception.

Ya Kate, direct hit, right in the midships!
Thanks!

I knew you'd out me eventually Kate. I was just wondering what was taking you so long.

Perhaps like some of the other cons, you are somewhat slow on the uptake. But that would not be my first guess.

Perhaps you were just thinking you'd give me line to hang myself with.

Conservative and compassionate just don't really seem to mix.

So have you all figured out who JS Mills was yet?
He could teach you all something about freedom, liberty and democratic votes.

"Typical Liberal snake resorting to lies and deception."

Hissing, yet mentally challenged snake. It keeps biting itself.

"Perhaps like some of the other cons, you are somewhat slow on the uptake."

Perhaps because most law abiding and decent people still have a hard time fathoming what depths of deception and crime Liberals are willing to go.

Irwin, you are so law and order you can't even dissassociate the concepts of "decent" and "law abiding" from your mind can you?

Or put more simply so you can understand it, for you all anarchists and libertarians must be indecent or evil?

But of course, you were not so law abiding as to condemn the anti-wheatboard bootleggers I bet.

Sure makes himself look like the slime that he is.

A liberano doesnt seem to understand we all want truth and honesty and are sick of the lies and deception.

Go crawl back under the rock you slimed out from under.

It doesnt matter how many time you repeat the lies TED? there still lies.

Truth, Justice, oops those are American ways. A lying scumbag liberano wouldn't have anything to do with stuff like that!

...and I didn't even get around to freedom and the fight against tyranny.

"So have you all figured out who JS Mills was yet?
He could teach you all something about freedom, liberty and democratic votes."

Sorry neoNDP (uh, I mean Liberal, or is it Ted etal?), I don't know who JS Mills is. He sounds a bit like John Stuart Mill, who wrote about liberalism. You really must take better notes; take some advice from someone whose spent a few hours in a university classroom. You might want to explore further what Mill said about freedom, about jailing people for selling a crop they paid to produce on their land, or about making private delivery of healthcare illegal. Mill likely wouldn't have seen the "utility" of those approaches.

I'm not sure what JS Mills would have said.

"Posted by: Ted/Lothar/Jake"

Maybe you can start your own blog, there's already three of you to log on and debate.
Fool.

As I said earlier, it keeps biting itself.

It's kind of pathetic thing to watch.

"It's kind of pathetic thing to watch."

But don't you think it would be amusing to read a Ted/Lothar/Jake blog?

Ted: Harper=Bush/Hitler, anti CWB jackboots, blah blah blah
Lother: You're so right Ted! Your wisdom is awesome!
Jake: You tell them Ted. Lothar, have you lost weight?
Ted: Thanks guys, beer's on me tonight. Bartender! One beer and three straws please.
Ted/Lothar/Jake stares in the mirror, winks and points at himself while sing a Billy Joel song..."Don't go changing, to try and please me,
I love you just the way you are."
Nah, you're right Irwin. It is pathetic.

Gee, where did he go? Must suck to get outed like that. HEHEHE

Three Faces of Eve,
Don't let the door hit you on the ass.

Wow, Shamrock corrects a spelling error but seems to have missed the message.

The few hours you spent taking uni were not well served if you think Hitler was a socialist, or that JSM would oppose medicare or the wheatboard, or endorse the "wheatboard election" Strahl et all conducted.

You inbred billhillie cons bore me. You haven't got the brains or balls to take Harper to task for his lies and I've got better things to do... like help get Dion elected.

Feel free to stop by my blog and make a post any time: consfascistsmoronsandotherassortedarselickers.com

"like help get Dion elected."

I love it when Sybil says this.
You go girl!!

Atta boy Mr.Split personality. Why don't all three of you go crawl under the rock you came from.
I never ceases to amaze me what kind of slime these Liberals are made of.

Funniest. Thread. Ever.

"Maybe you can start your own blog, there's already three of you to log on and debate."

Too late. That model has already been copyrighted by Meaghan Walker Williams and her 7 other on line personalities.

NeoNDP is fun and tiresome all at the same time. I make a point about John Stuart Mill, and he/she/it rebuts with personal attack, or better still, makes up what he wants my argument to be.

Sounds like a LPC Liberal to me. The liberal John Stuart Mill would be very disappointed. Sorry, but you get a D on your paper, only because I'm told poli sci depts don't give Fs anymore, except to climate change deniers and neocons. God you're pathetic.

Sounds like you need to spend way more hours in a classroom, any classroom. Anyone who mentions coherent policy in the same breath as David Orchard needs a lot of help.

"Too late. That model has already been copyrighted by Meaghan Walker Williams and her 7 other on line personalities"

I didn't know who Meaghan was (before my time), so I googled her.

Wow. Kate, I do believe that's Robert Bollocks in drag!

Ted, you poor boy, or girl since you hidden your other medical problem, schizophrenia has run deep in the Liberal party since the days of Trudeau.

Multiple languages
Multiple personalities.
Multiple answers.
Multiple bloggers.

62% of grain farmers want to be able to remove the CWB out of their lives when they want.

Only delusional Liberals read that stat any other way.
Maybe one of the three of you will discover that truth some day.

Actually Shamrock, it is you that would get the F or the D... from a political studies department.

You were the one propounding the notion that Hitler was a socialist. When it comes to error, that's major.

And JSM would be very proud of the way I've been handing you guys your asses on a platter. He had no use for conservatives either.

NeoLibNDP: Why bother, but OK. You'll have to show me where I said Hitler was a socialist. I didn't. I said he wasn't a socialist because he believed in private ownership, but he wasn't a conservative either. He was a fascist. God you're an idiot. Go ahead and call Hitler a conservative and link his ideas with Stephen Harper. If you get a passing grade on that paper, then we know, at least on your bird course, that the university system doesn't require objectivity, fact, or judgement. You have none of that. Same goes for your views on JSM. Infants declare themselves winners of arguments where they have no clue of the context. Frankly nobody cares. Fun, though. Wonder what JSM would think of David Orchard. Can't wait for your answer to that one.

"Infants declare themselves winners of arguments where they have no clue of the context."

So true Shamrock, although I do believe you're wasting your time with these three.

True, multirec, I am wasting times with the triple (at least) split Lib personality. It is fun, though to nail them. OK I won't repond to neoNDPLibfailedstudent anymore. Have a Great Easter and God bless.