Canada will still look more grey and wrinkled ... as growth based on immigration (mostly of adults) is not equatable with growth based on births. The demographic pyramid will still be skewed unnaturally towards supporting social security ...

Our great grandparents knew better: immigrants have to be assimilated, not patronized with self righteous multicultural mush. It's the western intellectual heritage and its system of values that made our societies worth living in in the first place, and multiculturalism just slows down the necessary (and beneficial) process of absorption. The so-called anglosphere is still the best part of the world to live in, as the pattern of immigration itself shows, and we can stop flogging ourselves for being what we are anytime now. We're doing a lot right.

Nothing can ruin a Country faster than encouraging
new immigrants, many having no history with our way of life, into cultural ghettos and paying them to do so.

Multiculturalism and Charter Rights could prove to be our undoing. It's a toxic mix. It will give us things like Sharia Law, something many immigrants came here to escape.

For me it is all quite funny as I predicted many years ago that embracing people in large numbers from cultures alien to our own would cause a de facto qualitative change in Canada at a whole lot of levels. In about 1970, perhaps 1969 , over a period of about 4 or 6 weeks, two east asian or Indian women climbed the Peace Tower and hurled themselves off to make a large and uninviting puddle on the tarmac below, right where the Centre Block Front Steps exist to this day . Thereafter, Canada grounds and Gardens or the Ministery of the Centre Block or something firstly put up wire grating, so no one could actually get out of the bell tower platform anymore, just look thru the wire, then they replaced that with plexiglas.
Now, in and of itself, not very exciting, and of course lots of people commit suicide, not just East Indians ... but the manner of their suicide and the reasons therefore were cultural, and they caused a change , be it ever so minor, in a Canadian building.
Now by today's lights, what with stabbings in the Montreal Metro by Haitians, and shootings on the streets of Toronto by Spanish Town Jamican gang members, it seems like small potatoes, but as your doctor will say when you go in sick as with a flu and you say "I felt fine at breakfast and then ...." and the Doctor will say "Well, everything starts somewhere". Your flu started sometime after breakfast and the beginnings of qualitative changes in our society began about 1968 with the inculcation of the Trudeau visionary.
Now, at every level, be it the Nomads in BC who have gone world wide with their crime, or the Honor Killings of BC and Hamilton and Toronto, we're reapin' the whirlwind.
Thing is, everything ends somewhere too. WASP society becomes ......? What ? Extinct for sure... but what rises from the ashes ? Babel ?
Anyway. Long as I get my CPP. and OAS. Thats what we really need them immigrints for .

Thanks to Liz J: I forgot to take a kick at the Charter of Rights when I was at it earlier. We could help ourselves a lot by monitoring judicial appointments and raising a fuss every time some Liberal jackass appoints a lefty loon to the bench. No more Louise Arbours, please.

This is the price you pay for a massive kleptocratic government that needs to constantly expand its tax base to meet its revenue needs.

I laugh when I hear Liberals like DeYawn natter on about "sustainability" when the only thing that natters to these thugs is expanding the size of government and feeding the expansion with fresh revenue streams... seems that everything the feds want to discourge they tax to death...they have taxed the 2 parent family into oblivion then whine when a stagnated population growth does not meet their tax revenue needs in personal taxing...call in some Immigrants to feed that taxation leviathan and watch the homogenization of the culture.

...first the decadant socialism of Europe fell to cultural homogenization because of the greed of their governments now Canada...just a side benefit of kleptocratic transnational progressivism.

The radical elements within Canada are very small but they have both money (foreign backing) as well as Supreme Court sympathy. A very bad combination.

They have the mentality and to coerce/intimidate their own people and think nothing of it. If there is a will, they can be controlled - just as the proposed $300/year increase in garbage pick up was - but the will is still lacking.

The Calgary alderman (according to the HR web site) is still a sitting adjudicator on the three-member-panel of the Calgary Human Rights Commission Office. Her term expires in May/07.

When the flag of Hezballah can fly unchalleneged at a rally in the City of Calgary (as it did in Aug/06), how much clearer does it get. This is a far greater incursion than the pavilions at the cultural fairs of the '70's.

Hopefully the Sask Party will soon succeed in SK and both the Alberta Party and the Alliance Party will become appealing to a whole lot of Albertans by the time of the next election.

It is time for a sea change in terms of Extreme Political Correctness (and the root facilitators) yet it is understandable why few people seem ready to grab this tiger by the tail and hold on. It could be dangerous.

Just on radio - Manning and some others have just announced the formation of the Alberta Stewardship Coalition - buying into the color green in a big way while our cultural fabric is shredding. Rather points out the priorities these days. 200 people at the inaugural meeting last night including the AB environmental minister.

You are right Kate. I should have included that.

Andrew Coyne et al seem to consider immigrants a bunch of colourful minor characters in their urban, sophisticated world. But what happens when the minority becomes a minority? Those cute, colourful Disney characters won't take very kindly to many of the habits and beliefs Coyne takes for granted.

A true conservative would say: let's eliminate 50% of the social safety net and then we won't need immigrants to prop it up with their alleged taxes. That way we preserve our culture, reduce the nanny state AND get a tax break.

But then he isn't a true conservative and neither are most members of the so-called Conservative party, blogosphere, etc.

Like illegals in the US who dont' want to be American citizens so much as "Mexicans with benefits", the cowardly/thoughtless Canadian conservative is generally a "socialist with a better job and a sense of humor."

"Majority." Duh. Coffee. Preview.

Immigration not needed for decades,

Canada’s population will increase every year until 2030 with no immigrants whatsoever says StatsCan.

http://no-libs.com/?p=1520

Kathy Shaidle
Steyn rocks, Coyne pebbles at best,

Well, Coyne is a conservative only to the extent that he wants to 'conserve' the WWI-WWII centralist infrastructure of Canada focused around Ontario-Quebec and run out of Ottawa. He isn't a genuine conservative with the idea of smaller government, more individualism and decentralized gov't powers. And he, like John Ibbitson, defines 'minorities' as benign participants in a multicultural festival.

I think a major problem within Canada, and the West (Europe) is multiculturalism - which is entrenched in our Charter and which nullified the rights of the individual in favour of defining people within homogeneous closed groups. These groups are isolated entities with self-defined and untouchable unchangeable codes of belief and behaviour, which are given priority over common beliefs/behaviour and laws. There is no requirement, indeed there is a rejection of collaboration, assimilation and commonality.

In addition, we have, along with this focus on the isolate dominance of cultural groups - defined as 'nations within a Holding Nation' - we have set up the Holding Nation (Canada, France, Germany, etc) as just that. It is an empty structure that holds 'real nations' or 'peoples'. As such, these internal 'real nations' operate within their own views, laws, beliefs - inviolate and non-collaborative - and use the Holding Nation only as a geographic site AND a BANK.

So- since we have demolished the structure of the nation state, changing it to a Holding Site and Bank - then immigrants coming here naturally view it this way. We have done this. We have set up our charter to define individuals only within cultural and ethnic groups. We have privileged these groups over the individual. We have rejected a national integration

Then, the development of the Welfare State, with everything paid for by the taxpayers, means that immigrants don't have to integrate. They can live off welfare as refugees for years. They can, operating within those closed communities, set up black market economies. The old period, without the Welfare State, meant that immigrants had to integrate and work with others.

I don't think it's the fault of the immigrants, but of the infrastructure that we have set up - and that the immigrant communities now, of course, lobby to protect and promote.

What strikes me is that by thier actions, organizations and tactics, todays immigrants have realized that Canada is up for grabs and they will use any means to get it.

When my father brought us to Canada from England in the 1970s, he first had to line up at the Canadian embassy in London to secure a job. When he arrived in Edmonton and the employer went belly up, he and his fellow Brits were told they had to leave the country. Fortunately, my father secured another job immediately, working in the Arctic for an oil company. The rest went home.

This, essentially, is how a free market determines immigration levels. The needs of a company directly influence the number of people arriving in the country.

Today it is very different. Bureaucrats in Ottawa decide what kind of people the economy needs. And as with most things they do, they're mostly wrong. Canadian companies can't use engineering degrees from a university in China, not because they're racist, but because the degree has no standing. That's why the engineering student from Shanghai is working as a security guard. Much is made of all the doctors driving taxis, but the press rarely reports that most of these doctors have failed a very basic Canadian exam which is but a precursor to being considered a doctor in this country.

Furthermore, more than half of immigrants are family class, most usually family of the immigrant who is now working as a security guard.

It's no surprise then that more than half of immigrants who have arrived in the last decade go straight below the poverty line.

Immigration is a good thing for a country, but only if market forces are allowed to work. And that's not happening.

Oh, bloody hell. Richmond, BC doesn't "look" like BC. Give me a frickin' break already. Did Richmond, BC "look" like BC 100 years ago when it was mostly covered in forest with the mix of Europeans and Japanese working canneries along the river? Or did Richmond, BC "look" like BC in the 1950s? I guess you're choosing the 50s snapshot in time -- hey, hold it right there, Richmond -- perfect!

As for which culture is superior, well, you can't help but notice that the medical and engineering student bodies have lots more Chinese (and the bird courses are full of whites). And the downtown Eastside has a disproportionate amount of whites vs Chinese -- by a long shot. Aw, now let's here us whiteys say, oh but that's because those Asians just study all the time... It's called hard work, people. And when they assimilate (play hockey in Richmond sometime), they keep that work ethic and inject it into our culture. I see it every day at the software company I work at in downtown Vancouver (and while being worked over along the boards at the rink).

In my original blog post I raised the idea of looking at immigrants not by sheer numbers but by culture and asking (again, the unaskable) what do they contribute or take away from Canada?

Is it a good idea for American to welcome (sort of) so many illiterate peasant class Mexicans or more educated and sophisticated Russians, both of whom have a deeply ingrained culture of graft? How might that transform civil society?

Have you ever had a Japanese plumber and if not, why not? What are the implications for the Canadian workforce when some cultures prefer some lines of work but not others?

Personal ads in South Asian "desi" publications in Canada often stress subtle gradations of skin colour as a factor in potential marriage partners, which in turn reflect castes. Isn't this "racist"? Shouldn't there be a Human Rights complaint filed about this...?

Had we known that a large number of Italian immigrants would import Sicilian mafia culture (both the mobsters themselves and their resigned victims in the community) would America have been so welcoming? We've romanticized organized crime to such an extent that we dismiss them as "colourful characters", all part of life's rich pageant or the subject of dark humour. I personally don't find extortion terribly amusing.

I dunno. Silicon Valley has its share of immigrants (approximately 50% of Santa Clara County has something other than English as a first language), and they assimilate quite well. What I see, in general, is immigrants who speak English as a second language and do their best to speak it as well as they can, children of immigrants who speak English as their first language and their parents' language as their second, and grandchildren who usually speak only English.

I'm going to be politically incorrect here, and observe that the immigrants from, say, India, Korea, China, Taiwan, and Japan, who have typically gotten good educations in their native countries and are coming to the United States to take technical and professional positions, generally assimilate better than those from the rest of the world.

It's important, I think, to note that those who demand special treatment are going to be the ones who get covered by the peabrains in the media. My neighbors, born in China but speaking nearly perfect English, with a two-year-old who can already identify every letter in our alphabet, aren't news. Taxi drivers in Minneapolis who refuse to carry passengers with bottles of liquor are.

Peter Jay makes some good comments. What and when is the "canada" we are talking about?

Identity is a fluid thing. I am not the same person I was 15 years ago. Certainly not since he birth of my child. Canadas identity changes over time.

The problem with muticulturalism is there is no incentive to assimilate. Quite the opposite, they are encouraged to retain their old values, lifestyles, hatreds etc. Never makes sense to me that someone leaves the old country and yet refuses to embrace their new country. Why leave?

Yes, I have had a Japanese plumber. 2nd generation Canadian, member of immigrant families that integrated rather than held themselves apart from the rest of Canada.

These immigrants will end up integrating. The problem is it will be more like 3 generations before they identify as Canadian. It used to be if you were born here, you identified as Canadian.

Don't fool yourself Kathy. Virtually every wave of immigrants experiences this. Ukrainian immigrants lwere looked down on. Same with Irish, Italians.
enough

Coyne is a bit hard to categorize these days, seems to have taken a slight tilt to the Left.
Sort of think he's not solidly in support of the Conservatives. In fact I would not consider either him or Ibbitson True Blues.
Maybe they're looking for broader appeal as journalists, carrot and sticking both sides.

Personal identity may be a fluid thing, but cultural identity is less so. The individual changes when he or she becomes a parent - rather dramatically. But does culture or society change dramatically with every child born - no. However culture will change very dramatically with huge influxes of populations from other cultures.

It seems like every time this topic comes up people seem to confuse the history of peoples of different cultures coming to Canada as immigrants, and modern day Trudeaupian government enforced multiculturalism.

I have a European ancestry (German, Norwegian and French). I have essentially nothing in common with any of those cultures, because my ancestors left those cultures behind and became something new.

Quite frankly it is insulting to me that Canadian generosity is thrown back in our faces so unashamedly by some, while cheered on by many of the Liberal pursuasion.

I could scream about this problem all day long, but I haven't got the time.

One of the problems that this is engendering that is sometimes suggested, but has not been forthrightly discussed is the following:

Down here, the multicultural illegal immigrant problem threatens to separate conservatism from the Republican Party.

For decades, the Republican Party and conservatism have been synonymous, but this issue may cause a split.

Senators and Congressmen respond to powerful business interests in their states and districts.

Big business wants cheap labor and does not care whether it is illegal or not.

The large majority of American people want to retain sovereignty, culture, and do not wish to pay the staggering price tag demanded for social services for illegals.

Politicians, working as shields for big business, want the cheap labor despite the prices I've mentioned.

Regrettably, Republican politicians are as guilty of this as Democratic ones.

Outside of that, let me just mention that immigration has brought us
- La Cosa Nostra
- Russian mafia
- Columbian cocaine cartels
- Mexican heroine importers
- Jamaican Posse
- Yakuza
- Chinese Triad
- Yugoslavian organized crime
- MS13 gangs
- Cambodian organized crime
- Vietnamese organized crime
- etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum

There was a time (about 100 years ago or so) that immigrants, mostly from Europe, came over and became Canadians. Both my grandparents are in this catagory. They also managed to bring and keep the best parts of their heritage, whether it be their food, stories, song and dance, or language. Some may have still spoke their old language at home but it was english for the kids and when doing business. Today there is still signs of this melding as Polish Halls, Slavic Centres, Italian... you get the idea. There they don't pass on the old hatred and baggage from the old country but tend to celebrate and socialize. Many also raise money or actually have a business making food or some other cultural item. Lord knows I don't have the patience to make perogies on a regular basis. Thing was they did this so all Canadians can enjoy.
This contrasts with the immigrants of today who come over and the first thing they want and demand is their right to live as a XXXX in Canada and not as a (new)Canadian. Horse of a different colour to be sure. And, unlike a lot of hyphenated Canadians, my grandparents didn't go back to the "old country" on a regular basis or for most of the year. The Lebanon dog and pony show highlighted this difference of attitudes.

I wonder what the country would look like if god forbid Dion makes it in.

Can you imagine this dolt umming and ahhh ing at the G8 meetings... "can you hold on a second, im not really prepared.... Gart ? Gart? Where are you? i need help!"

Gives me the willies.

enough: they integrated because they were the minority.

But: in US cities and states when Hispanics are the _majority_ (and it is happening) they will have no reason to assimilate because there will be nothing non-Mexican to assimilate _to_. Math math math.

Do you really think all these Mexicans will feel like paying taxes to support Social security and social services for aging gringos? Or maintain the Alamo as a Pro-american rather than pro-Mexican monument? Or bother learning English or maintaining english street and road signs? or any number of little and big things most people don't even consider? It will be "press 2 for English" in a few years.

And yes, that matters when you are an old non-Mexican American who paid taxes your whole life and fought in WW2 just so that the 911 dispatcher you phoned can say "Que?" to you while you're being robbed or having a heart attack...

Do other people not think these thoughts or consider the implications of anything beyond "all those cool exotic restaurants"???

Please don't apply Ellis Island romanticism to the 21st century or you make a fatal error.

All I have to say about Dion is do we really need another Quebequois PM with an impenetrable (sp) accent?? What year is it again? can we not get over the whole "it is the Frenchies turn to be PM" thing?

I know: I am "un-Canadian". So be it.

Most of the credit for Canadians not replacing themselves the old fashioned way can go to the introduction of the Pill. One could have sex (okay make that two) without having babies. This delayed marriage and babies.
Governments spent money on areas that had not previously been government concerns. They raised taxes and used deficit financing to pay for the new programs. Government assistance allowed people to continue their “education” well past the historically normal age of marriage. Not everybody could cut it in fields such as engineering, medicine or law etc. so courses such as political science, gender studies etc. were put into place. (The engineering students at the U of C affectionately called The Faculty of Arts and Science “the faculty of Arts and Crafts”. )

There is nothing like having a baby to cut into the time required for ones own amusements. Besides “The Earth is already too crowed” theory allowed one to feel good about not making things worse by adding more children.
By the time many people got around to thinking about making their replacements, real estate for raising families was very expensive, taxes were high and two people were often required to pay the mortgage. That along with their “advancing years” was enough for many to have only one child or none.

So we are now stuck with importing our replacement Canadians (and lots of them) from countries that would not have been considered acceptable before. There are not a lot of immigrants available from the traditional European countries because they find themselves in the same situation as Canada, unsustainably low birthrates.

Monsieur Didlittle, there’s a sustainable development project worth investing in.

A Recent (January) Statistics Canada report found that in 2002, immigrants during their first year in this country were 3.5 times more likely than Canadian-born people to be low income. By 2004. the rate dipped a bit to 3.2 times. That's up from 3 times during the 90's.

The cost to the economy (us) of unemployed or underemployed new immigrants is about $5-billion a year.

Low income is defined as a family of four living on less than $26,800 a year.

A lot of this problem has to do with language and literacy issues.

Depending on their year of arrival, immigrants had a 34 to 46% probablitiy of being low-income.

So here's the Toronto Star having done a 4 part front page series on how awful it is that poverty is increasing, when the government (Liberals) were in fact importing it.

Based on these statistics I cannot see how most immigration is benefiting anybody now or in the forseeable future. Rather, it is increasing our taxes and reducing our identity and culture.

Obviously some regions are far better than others to obtain skilled, educated immigrants who would have the intelligence and courtesy of learning our language and culture first, and thereby add to it.

That's what the government must concentrate on.

I am always intrigued by the disconnect between fostering immigration and cutting back on green houses gasses and other environmental issues. The left appears to ignore that with ever increasing numbers of new immigrants, we are upping our levels of GHG. Now, I am not anti-immigrant, and I am a climate change "denier" -- whatever that means. I just wanted to flag that environmental stress (even things like, more cars, pressures on land use etc.) are factors that should be considered when determining appropriate immigration quotas.

The problem we find ourselves in today is a bit of a conundrum. Past Liberal policy of almost unrestricted immigration has changed the dynamics of the country. We have passed the tipping point of ever being able to "cut" immigration at the same time we are approaching the point where we are unable to sustain the "Canadian way of life". The Canada of the 50's and 60's, the Canada of the Judeo/Christian work ethic, the Canada that was once touted by the Liberals as the "Promised Land" has gone the way of the Dodo. We will never get it back but we have to consider whether we want to retain the semblance we have now or to continue to flush this country down the tube. The pioneers that created this came here for a number of reasons: space to live, freedom to worship, willingness to work and create a better life for themselves and their children. They spread across the continent and endured untold hardships to establish an idea that they believed in. In 400 years these pioneers and their descendants have created a society that the whole world wants to emmulate. We are now at a junction, do we take the road to the left and continue the slide we have experienced in the last thirty years or do we take the road to the right and try and get this country back on track? Decisions, decisions, decisions, do you think its easy to make priorities?

IMMAGRATION http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&pr=goog-sl

Found this, don't know how factual but an interesting read when you subtract 80% and substitute Canada for US of A.

Vasko Kohlmayer's point is utterly correct, and his patriotic stance towards his host country is entirely commendable. I'm just not sure that -- outside of Muslim populations, anyway, and maybe a portion of the Caribbean community -- the "complaining immigrant" is all that common. And to the extent such characters exist, what they might be demonstrating, if we notice, is not so much a refusal to accept the values of the host country as a fulsome integration with some of those values.

In other words, as the broad left roars along in an attempt to right wrongs wherever they can find or create them, it's inevitable that a good percentage of immigrants will be pulled into the cultural slipstream. It couldn't really be otherwise.

So when, for example, poorly-performing -- by first-world standards -- populations of Caribbean-born people in the ghettoized areas around the GTA are comprehensively told that their failures are the host country's fault, and that their own unhappiness about their living conditions is final living proof of an ongoing social crime against them, they will certainly find that a far more compelling narrative than the alternative one.

And on the Muslim side of things, when the left's agitating spokesmen make the continuous case that The West is the collective oppressor of the rest of the world -- and in effect suggest that the very existence of the host country's values are an encroachment upon the immigrants' beloved homeland, and therefore the immigrant himself -- this narrative too will find a natural home amidst the displacement that often characterizes first-generation immigrants.

The language of complaint and demand and entitlement, and angry calls for accomodation are very much western phenomena. Kohlmayer himself points out that the only place in the world where such complaints as he posits in his examples are tolerated or taken seriously, or even considered realistically utterable is in the progressive West. This, to me, more than hints that the social-justice plaints are acquired here, and nourished here.

Say, nothing hammers a point home like anonymous anecdotal evidence from nowhere, so take this: when I lived in Vancouver -- a hothouse of lefty sentiments if there ever was one -- I never once heard a (non-politician) person of Chinese descent complain about what the government did or didn't do for them. Those complaints were almost inevitably from white people, usually speaking on behalf of others less well-off and less white.

Such spokepeoplepersons' assertions of injustice don't gather so much around foreign-ness (Kohlmayer, unless he spoke, or wore platform shoes and a polyester suit at the horseraces would never be identified as a foreigner) as around dark skin. Some complaints are surely justified by the existence of actual present-day racism, but a whooole lot of it is redolent of the well-known overarching narratives of our native-born -- albeit ultimately British, in most cases -- lefties who reflexively climb atop the mountain of corporeal suffering in this world and then, enjoying the view and the stature their self-description of that view affords them, appoint themselves as the spokesmen for the historically oppressed.

To these crusaders-for-justice, the fact that there is relatively speaking a dearth of real oppression (as Kohlmayer noted) in the progressive West is moral-stature-threatening because they require, and inevitably acquire, for their personal political cause, victims. These people will never -- never, they say -- accept such appropriate moral demotion as realism and a sense of proportion would provide. And any union between these people and immigrants is really not a good thing.

So greet your immigrant neighbours by presenting them with a nicely-framed-to-the-point-of-being heirloom-worthy photo of Stephen Harper. Learn to say "He knows what time it is!" in their native language.

I'm not even joking.

Kudos to EBD. Bang on right.

Kathy,
The US is slipping into the trap that Canada did with multiculturalism. Politically correctness with ebonics has led along the way to giving credit cards and drivers licenses to illegals.

We have immigration policies to manage the flow of people to our country. When we allow in criminals, never deport anyone and open the door to all who show up we debase our citizenship.

In the late 80s in Vancouver there was a flood of asian immigrants. There was great social upheaval and change. It ended up being just manageable. Now, this is part of what makes the Vancouver region great(let's not discuss the kooks in city hall).

The Liberals and lefties in general have all these great sounding ideas. The problem is most are not practical and they have no clue how to implement them. This is the mess we are in now.

Ellis Island romanticism aside(squalor, disease, quarantines?), integration rather than multiculturalism is what we should focus on. Making immigrants Canadian not hyphenated Canadians.
enough

"Outside of that, let me just mention that immigration has brought us
- La Cosa Nostra
- Russian mafia
- Columbian cocaine cartels
- Mexican heroine importers
- Jamaican Posse
- Yakuza
- Chinese Triad
- Yugoslavian organized crime
- MS13 gangs
- Cambodian organized crime
- Vietnamese organized crime
- etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum"

And you would have had none of these - or at least very minor anmounts, had not the authoritarian fools outlawed certain drugs creating a black market demand which these groups filled.

I understand that all major scientists believe that population has to be reduced on the globe as we are not in a sustainable basis re resources, physical, social, for food production, for infrastructure ad finitum.
Canada should just stop all immigration except for those who speak one of our official languages, have money, a profesion, and are of good health. This is not being racist, it is just stating we have enough people but if it is to our best interest to take an exceptional person as an immigrant, we will do so.
We have to start looking at Canada's best long term interests and a good way is to start shedding the old shibboliths
1. Canada was built by immigrants and we allcome from immigrants. SO??? Name a country in the western hemisphere not settled by immigrants?
But what has that to do with future immigration policy?
2. We have to get away from the govt. propaganda that said our demographics were going to consign us to hell if we did not have immigration. They just wanted voting blocks that can be relied upon to vote for whoever let them in.
3. That bigger is better. The richest countries are some of the smallest-Switzerland, Norway, etc. India and china with the most people are the poorest per capita.
4. We need workers. Latest figures show the cyhclical building trades want workers. [Wait till our oil sands plants are working, all those workers will be cut by 75% The next goup complaining are the service industries. yeah right, the pay is so lousy that too many went to the oilfields.
Stop immigration NOW.

Most of the credit for Canadians not replacing themselves the old fashioned way can go to the introduction of the Pill. One could have sex (okay make that two) without having babies. This delayed marriage and babies.

Immigratrion has nothing to do with birth rates, if it does why have we never stopped importing people even though our birth rate alone since confederation has been enough to increase the population.

Sure it's been slight of late but without immigration it's still going up.

Like my post above says with no immigration statscan expects the population to go up for at least 2 decades, 2 decades with 0 immigrants. But I'm guessing in that time we will still have immigration foisted on us like it or not.

So the pop is replacing itself it always has but immigrants vote liberal!!!!!

The canadian birth rate is not enough. Neils rant about stopping immigration would be disastrous.
1. Immigrants 1st generation have a high fertility rate. Take out the immigrants and our rate of 1.5 would be even lower.
2. As the baby boomers start to retire where is the work force that will support them? Shrinking tax base remember.
3. The baby boomers have not started to die off in great numbers yet. Stopping immigration would result in population decline as the demographics dies.

Canada has huge empty spaces. We cover so much land with little population. "I understand that all major scientists believe that population has to be reduced on the globe as we are not in a sustainable basis re resources, physical, social, for food production, for infrastructure ad finitum." Developed countries have no problem with overpopulation. Are these the same scientists that all agree on global warming?

enough - the key is selecting, which a host country has the perogative to do and should, who gets to be the immigrant. The days are over for America/Canada as the destination en masse of the Great Unwashed - uneducated, unskilled and now refusing to assimilate.

Hispanics aren't our best choice here. I say that for lots of reasons supported by statistics and my own personal observations having lived a decade in a border state. They do not value education with a higher national drop out rate than blacks, assimilation is limited, skills are very low level, a dependence on gov't is the mindset......

Why not more educated Asians, Indians, Russians(fed up with Putin) and Europeans that are fed up with their lack of options under socialism?

Muslims, sorry, but Islam is incompatible with our liberties. The Dems love the Great Unwashed as new fodder for their victim agendas, anyone feisty and risk taking wouldn't be an asset to them. Immigration is a good thing if it is for the common good rather than the crass infusion for your voting block.

Well all I can say is "I am unaware of any other previous immigrants that held up signs and said your children will be muslims, or we will rule over you.!"