Joe Lieberman is a class act, a principled man, which is why he was booted out of the Democratic party which says everything about the sad state of political affairs here. Before we can defeat the Islamofascists, whom are never going to fade away in my or my children's lifetime, the more compelling task at hand is putting a stake into the heart of the rot that lefties have done to our culture for the past 40 years.

The '08 election is probably one of the most important in our history.

ya Kate, but ya know, theres something grandly and profoundly and inordinately WRONG with the cia boys cutting their teeth by arranging the overthrough of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leader of iran in 1953. and the plopping of the palahvi despot (much friendlier to amurcun in'trests si?)

'what goes around comes around, fat in the fire, karma, comeuppance etc etc, aka meddle meddle meddle'

and all you fans of the non-mullah shah, remember jimmy cahtah was his biggest fan aka 'politics makes strange bedfellows'.

I know why you blindly support that dufus Kate!

There was something profoundly wrong in France also. During WWII.

robert b.

Yes, some of past U.S. actions in the Mid-East in the last 54 years (including the invasion of Iraq) were dumb, unprincipled or both. What's done is done. Your undisguised glee at the mess the Americans find themselves in now suggests that you're malicious as hell and not exactly a deep thinker.

Do you really believe that it would be in Canada's best interests if the religious lunatics in Iran acquired nuclear weapons?

Do you find the present clusterfuck in Iraq pleasing because the U.S. got a bloody nose? If not, what is your solution? Walk away and let the faithful butcher each other in even greater numbers until the Iranians move in and sort things out to their satisfaction?

The Yanks haven't always been on the side of the angels but, they did keep the Soviets off of most countries' backs (including ours) and they are the only serious defense against Iranian control of the Mid-East and the valves of the world's biggest source of energy.

Would a little lip-smacking satisfaction at Uncle Sam's humiliation really be worth crippling the economies of America and Europe? Do you think that little ol' Canada would be immune? Are the people of Israel expendable? Does the spectre of Muslim countries now creeping towards modernity being overrun by the nastiest and most repressive forms of Islam cause you no concern at all?

America may an imperfect champion but, in a dreadful world, it's all that stands between us and the evil ideologues of radical Islam.

Ignore those two early troll/commenters Kate, as your more serious readers will also. We are in for a long haul to overcome the threats of the Islamofascists but I am old enough to remember how bleak things looked in World War II. We had faith in the indomitable Winston Churchill and then also Franklin Roosevelt. The Islamofascists are dangerous but inherently weak compared to our forces fired up by righteous indignation. Your troll readers have no conception of that term, "righteous indignation" or any idea of the power it gives to those who possess it. Good on you for your posting this item and good on Joe Lieberman for his remarks. May you both be fired up by indomitable righteous indignation to help us through these dark times of the threats to our very civilization.

The lefties are still mad because their hero's,the Soviets, were defeated by the bad Ronald Reagan.The democrates find it more lucrative to keep their enemies than defeat them so that they can keep building weapons with union workers.

I'm beating an old drum here, but I think the basic problem is that the left hasn't learned anything in forty years and is still stuck in habits of thought that were rightly condemned for their absurdity even back in the sixties. Every war is Vietnam, and that's bad; every action of any sort taken by the US is motivated by economic greed, that's a given; and so on, you know the drill. I've had to listen to it since I was about five, and so have you. It's adolescent outrage morphed into thin-lipped certainty: we're right because we're the good guys and we have the authority of Noam Chomsky to back us up. Well, good luck with that. Senator Lieberman is quite right in thinking there's something deeply wrong here, and I'd suggest that the problem is that the left is shoving the circumstances of the current decade into a mental shoebox that's now some four decades old and one that wasn't very serviceable even back then. Look at how interest in Chomsky's work has revived. Remember those war protesters in Nathan Philips square a few years ago who were wearing Che Guevara t-shirts? Good God. Nothing's changed for these guys, and so they don't get Islamism: for them it's just another example of the big bad West getting what it deserves, and any enemy of western capitalism is an ally, or at least an object of brotherly empathy. The specifics of the threat in question don't get examined, or if they do, it's through a lens of antiwestern leftist ideology with the foregone conclusion that the west deserved it. These guys won't see that Islamism is different.

As for the hysteria about President Bush and the Republican Party in general, just think back to the eighties and recall the way President Reagan was treated by the left: exactly the same. The merits of any particular action or proposal were never rationally assessed; it was simply assumed that they were wrong because Reagan was taking or making it. Political discourse on the left usually consisted of making cheap jokes about Reagan's intelligence and declaring that everything he did was perpetrated on behalf of the greedy capitalist class. Familiar, eh? The left is rerunning an old movie, and the rest of us are fools to listen. The hysteria is louder because there's more media, of course, but otherwise it's really just a flashback to one of those bad acid trips you had when you were a kid.

robertbullocks!!! interesting post. Did you write that while living in the 1970's? No? Was that written as we all live and breathe today? Hello, you brazzen putz!!!! How about stepping into today's real life as we are living it. You might be a great history prof but when it comes to what is happening today one might think that you are stuck in a time warp.

freedom isn't free

thank you one and all

they're stuck on stupid !?

Leftists have for decades gravitated towards easy government jobs that pay well - like teaching. And naturally they do their best to indoctrinate students to think exactly like they do, because teachers are too narrow minded to even consider diverse opinions usually. The effect of decades of soft headed left leaning bureaucratic teaching has been this - a great many people are unable to distinguish right from wrong in the big picture of politics.

(Back under your bridges, trolls!)

Lieberman for President, regardless of party!

Santayana: "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

In 1937, a British public, still reeling from the memories of WWI, chose a phony peace at Munich, and set the stage for the greatest conflict we've ever seen.

In 2007, an American public, still reeling from the memories of Vietnam, are ready to choose a phony peace in Iraq, and set the stage for a nuclear war that will make WWII seem like a childrens' play.

Was it just 15 years ago that we were so care-free that we could smirk at presidents being fellated by their interns? I have two young girls, and I wonder if they will ever have the chance to grow up and have families.

As a teenager in the early 70's, I coined the term "bomb fever" for the feeling that life might end at any moment - not just for me, but for everyone around me. During the 90's, I thought that term could be retired. Now, I'm not so sure.

CHURCHILL was WORSE than BUSH... One of Adolph Hitler's top intelligence officers defected and escaped to England well into WW2. He knew all the Nazi secrets at the highest levels and would have been a treasure for the Allies. However the British promtly shot him at the airport and sent his body back to Germany. Winston Churchill took a lot of ridicule for it and he played the role of a dummy, You could even compare his actions to a modern day (dumb ) George W Bush. However it was one of the most brilliant moves of the war. For several years , the British had converted 26 top German spies operating in England and used them in a complete double-cross system that made Normandy such a success. If the German defector had been allowed to live, the Nazis would know to no longer trust their England operatives and the double-cross would have failed. It took over 40 years before this info was released. I can guarantee you that in spite of how it looks from the outside, Bush and his team are not dummies, they know the enemy and how to deal with them . In 40 years from now we may well judge American actions as quite clever in spite of how it looks to us civilians at present.

Philanthropist -- I couldn't agree more and have for one hell of a lot of years now. A teacher friend of mine was threatened and ostracized within the lib/left teaching fraternity for daring to go against the leftern way. He retired ten years ago, I can just imagine what it's like now.

America may an imperfect champion but, in a dreadful world, it's all that stands between us and "

well zog, they bloody well KNOW IT too, can get away with 'bombing them into the stone age' seeing as alternatives are even worse.

so why does it have to be a choice between deplorable opportunism and grinding tyranny?

jist askin' !!

robertbullocks!!! interesting post. Did you write that while living in the 1970's? "

dear different: the answer is yes. Ive been reminding the audience of the deviousness of amurcuns via cia meddling for some 30 years now, they still do it and they still get up to their necks and more in quagmires because they are obsessed with the short term.

they insist on jumping into the bear cage to retrieve their baseball and then blame the bear for overreacting. get it? nah, youre too stuck on defending uncle sam waving the flag of liberty aka hey kid I got some good news and some bad news. the good news is youre free of saddam's oppression. the bad news is youre dead from the 2,000th air strike against your city.

get it?

Joe Leiberman is right on the money. He is showing real courage and leadership.

If this 'surge' works - (even if it doesn't work I'm sure that Bush is working on other plans for democracy in the middle east) - the democrats are in serious trouble in the next election.

I see a Giuliani - Rice ticket or maybe a Giuliani - Leiberman ticket.

I forgot to comment on Churchill.

Most Irish guys have a huge dislike for Churchill - because of the treachery he displayed against the Irish during WWI (even though he wanted and needed the Irish to fight for Britain) and during the fight for independence. His story was that the Irish were too stupid and drunken to manage themselves.

He threatened Ireland repeatedly during WWII - because Ireland decided to be Neutral.

Today, Ireland has the highest GDP/capita in the World. Everyone in the North with a brain is heading South and Ireland is even financing the North - and totally dominates it economically. The British GDP/capita is the same as Germanys. It is 30% less than Ireland - and NI is performing even better than the rest of Britain.

"there is something profoundly wrong... when opposition to the war in Iraq seems to inspire greater passion than opposition to Islamist extremism. "

sarge was gona say ...there's something profoundly wrong when a american senator cares more about the needs of isreal than the needs of america. old sarge would like to say he cares what happenes to all them iraqis being killed left and right by us and each other, but sarge is considerably more worried about what this shit war is doin to america. sarge wonders why you kanukistani shits think iraq will go better for us than it did for old england in the 1920s or the french in algiers in 1950s? just think of it...not one mid eastern country ever successfully held by a colonial force. sure is too bad once we pull out and we will have to pull out one day, them iraqis will sell that oil for euros and that will be the end of the us and canadian economies. them trillions bush will spend on the war and stealin caspian sea oil coulda been spent severing dependence on the mideast oil or buy back dept from the chinee. hopefully old bush will save a few dollrs and take yer tar sands so sarge can continue to drive his golf cart down to get the paper, and change over his 300 meter army quaification targets as they seem to keep gettin all full of holes on a regular basis

Sarge, the subject at hand is the wise words spoken by a good man.
You obviously have some kind of a problem, but cant you find a thread more pertinent to whatever it is thats bugging you?

sarge here. wise man or neocon shill? that c@cksucker lieberman will go down in history for exactly what he is.

sarge would add...so why the hell DO you people hate america so?

sarge here...I furgit tu take mah medicine...mah wife dun give it to me now....it all O K now...Bush not Hitler.

no, you are right, bush aint hitler. hitler was a real war hero, and up to a point, quite a bit smarter.

"hitler was a real war hero"

Get your head examined idiot.

"There is something profoundly wrong" with that troll called sarge. He gives real ex-sarges a bad name.
I wonder if sarge is related to BullyBob BullBalls? Maybge it's his alter ego.

Back on topic, anyone who still cannot see that the MSM controls the news (and views) probably never will. Now take your Soma...

"hitler was a real war hero"

Get your head examined idiot.

Posted by: multirec at March 15, 2007 12:53 PM

uh, multi?

check the World at War thames production. the part where the triumphant wermarcht comes home from sweeping across europe, having righted the wrongs of versaille where the loser in 1918 got blamed for the whole t'ing.

cheering, waving, adulation for the WAR HERO hitler and a sense of relief that they dodged a bullet and that a conflagration wasnt in the future.

now this'd be 1940s eh, pre-stalingrad etc.

hitler WAS a war hero at that time. 'hero' depends great deal on 'which side'.

(drool) uhhhhhhhhhh......sorreeey, i dun took mah medukashun now two....yup, ahm just uh marks-is boot liquor lahk thu rest of the trolls heeyer.

Robert: I really don't care what ze germans thought of hitler prior to the 40's, as I recall, history tells us that he was an evil man bent on the annihalation of jews.
I think that I'll believe history books on hitler's profile.

(drool) uhhhhhhhhhh......sorreeey, i dun took mah medukashun now two....yup, ahm just uh marks-is boot liquor lahk thu rest of the trolls heeyer.

Posted by: robertbollocks at March 15, 2007 3:47 PM "

an obvious attempt at identity theft here folks !!!

p.s. thanks whoever did it, now I can do the same thing under many many pseudonyms for as long as I choose. heh heh heh !!!!

on the other hand, multi who is not posting an alternative blogname, typically and cleverly ignores the factoids that the example of vichy france, and of holland which sent the highest proportion of its draft age men into the GERMAN infantry, ie said wermacht, shows how popular naziism was early on.

and the refusal of other western nation to allow Jewish emigration from germany onto their soil, including dear ol' canukistan, shows how unpopular jews were around the world at that time.

get off the soap box multi, flip back a couple chapters in your precious history book.

"get off the soap box multi, flip back a couple chapters in your precious history book."

Nope, I don't have to. I'll go out and ask people who hitler was, what do you think the answer will be? That he was a hero before the 40's?
Go back to calling cops and taking pleasure in their loss, it's about all you're good for.

most of what is posted here is bullocks, complete and total, lieberman lost a primary and despite being given the oppo. of a V-P spot on a former presidential ticket that s.o.b. typical ego pol stuck a finger in his own party's eye. and anyone who thinks that Iraq was a necessary war is an idiot, and that doesn't mean that the dems support fanatics. Assholes.

You're right - Lieberman has no business being in the Democratic party. But he didn't abandon them - they abandoned him.

I think it was Margaret Thatcher who said, referring to the Labour party in the 1980s, that it was the Conservatives' duty to hold on to power until Labour regained its sanity.

Thank God for Tony Blair!

sarge here. old hitler was a odd and murderous duck but that boy survived 4 years i n the trenches, ypres the somme and got hisself two battle injuries and won two iron crosses. if yall dont know that sarge thinks ya should crack a book now and agin . sarge also thinks old hitlers ww1 war record far surpasses that of the little american commander bunny pants who spent the war 1st in the TANG saving texas from the vietcong and just plane old bein awol from the AANG. hitler volunteered for combat old bush avoided combat. really pretty simple.

"sarge here. old hitler was a odd and murderous duck"
Odd and murderous duck...That's the way to explain a evil madman who exterminated how many jews?
What a dipshit.

The lefties never learn, they still got their heads in the two holer ( like the one behind the cottage ) looking for truth. Their type only. So Senator Leiberman is quite right there is a foul smell from the left.To disagree yes: but to hate? To me those who spout hate must be an enemy. Hate should not be in politics unless you are a moron.

he was an evil man bent on the annihalation of jews."

(pssst: multi: herr hitler KNEW how measure the pulse of the nation; antisemitism has existed THOUSANDS of years, hitler's personal views towards jews is IRRELEVANT to the fact he used the world wide rampant historical anti-semitism as yet another means to stir up trouble and generate support. he simply knew just the right things to put out there at the right time to get that popularity meter maxed.)

focussing exlusively post 1941 does a disservice to future generations who need to be vigilant against the sort of cultism that hitler used.