February 28, 2007

12 Percent Canadian Muslims Agree: Behead Harper

Some days one has just got to love the MSM filter ... you know, that screen that prevents information from reaching the public because this editor or that thinks that Canadians just aren't bright enough, or are too sensitive, or simply just don't need to know certain things.

What if I told you that parts of a poll contained disturbing information that was not reported because the high-priests of the MSM saw fit to filter out the "bad" and just leave in the "good":

Fully 12% of Muslim Canadians polled by Environics said the alleged terrorist plot -- that included kidnapping and beheading the prime minister and blowing up Parliament and the CBC -- was justified.

Predictably, the CBC managed to find a talking head -- in this case York University sociology professor Haideh Moghissi -- who dismissed this disturbing revelation.

"It's really negligible that 12 percent feel that the attacks would be justified,"
said Moghissi.

"I don't think it even warrants attention." Clearly, other news agencies and those who put the poll results on the CBC website agree with Moghissi.

But just how "negligible" is 12% of 700,000 people. Well, if Moghissi knew arithmetic like she knows denial, she'd know if this poll is accurate, 84,000 Canadian Muslims think it's justifiable to behead our democratically elected prime minister and blow up the very symbol and centre of our democracy!

Read it all HERE.

Cross-posted at Cjunk

Posted by Cjunk at February 28, 2007 10:49 AM

Read Lisa's column today in the Calgary Sun, or at Newswatch. Re Suzuki and his political rants across canada. She gives a phone #-1-800-267-2384- That is Revenue Canada, and if they get complaints re charities being political or partisan, it will start an investigation to delist them. Let's get calls from across Canada with complaints. She mentions how the Catholic Bishop in Calgary was threatened when he wrote a letter in the parish bulleting re some liberal policies. You don't even have to give your name. Make that call. With the way suzuki took after PMSH during his trip thru Alberta, on various radio interviews, or columns, he will have a difficult time to say his message is not political. If nothing else it might make all those car industries and oil industries to quit funding him. Oh, it also appears he has two very large homes.

Posted by: mary T. at February 28, 2007 11:19 AM

Well, as they say, a poll is a poll is a poll...and so on.

When you look at the small size of their sample population of Muslims (500) and their margin of error (4.4%) this reduces the validity.

However, I think it looks like a normal Bell curve scenario, where the majority of the sample population are in the middle 'hump' and the two 'lips' of the bell show us the two extremes on an opinion.

So, the majority of 73% said the proposed attacks against the Canadian gov't were 'not justified'. Then, you'd get about 12% at one end of the Bell curve that said they were indeed justified. So far, we've only got 85% of that sample population. Therefore, missing from the article - is the 15% at the other end of the Bell, who presumably said that the proposed attacks were really, really, not justified. [Or had no opinion?] Three sets of replies.

The lowest proportion, on one 'lip' of the Bell, were strongly in favour of the attacks. The majority, the 'hump' of the Bell were against the attacks. And, the next lowest proportion, the other 'lip' of the Bell, were possibly strongly against the attacks. Or had no opinion.

I'd say that's a normal representation of a population on just about any issue.

Think about other issues. I think it's possible that we'd find the same Bell structure.

Posted by: ET at February 28, 2007 11:23 AM

Next time they take a poll on justifying terrorism I hope they take names as well so RCMP can follow it up.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 28, 2007 11:33 AM

Islamophobe- someone whose ability to do simple math isn't overwhelmed by Politically Correct Insanity, i.e. 1.3- 1.6 Billion Muslims, say conservatively it's 1 billion. One tenth of one percent of 1 billion = 1,000,000 hijackers of ROP = a serious problem that we overlook at our peril.

Posted by: Terry Gain at February 28, 2007 11:34 AM


Isn't that about the same level of the support Canadians expressed in a recent poll for the NDP, Green and Bloc parties respectively? Does York University sociology professor Haideh Moghissi consider these percentages "insignificant"?

Yeah, right . . .



Posted by: David E. Brown at February 28, 2007 11:39 AM

I bet you'd get similar numbers if you asked Canadians if Bush should be hanged. Over 30% of Canadians in fact believe in witches. Over 10% believe the sun rotates around the earth.

When it is a theoretical question in a poll, lots of people will say lots of crazy things.

And as for the "filter"... I read those numbers in the Globe and the Post when the poll came out. What filter?

Posted by: Ted at February 28, 2007 11:47 AM

A poll from another place; no margin of error; no filter.

The results: 1.Terrorism is Good for Canadians.
2. Citoyen Dion and his Socialist-Liberals are soft on terror....-

In a vote of 159 to 124, the combined opposition* defeated a Conservative minority government motion that would have renewed the extraordinary legal powers of authorities to detain and interrogate terrorism suspects. MORE..(national newswatch)

The combined opposition* are the Socialists: Liberal Party of Canada, Bloc PQ, NDP.

Posted by: maz2 at February 28, 2007 12:08 PM

With all due respect...I don't think it's anything to get up in arms about. Isn't there some sort of rule of statistics that says, when polled, 6-10% of the population will answer in the affirmative to any question that does not contain a negative word?

So, even if you ask something like, "Do you have serious doubts that the Earth is round?", you will get 6-10% of "yes" answers....whereas, if you ask, "Do you have any doubts that the Earth is not flat", nearly all will answer "no".

Someone with more statistical experience help me out here.

Posted by: bryceman at February 28, 2007 12:13 PM

well I just called the revenooo canuckistan 800 number, got put on hold, then dumped into someone's voice mailbox which was full and did not accept the complaint.

redialing now ..... ah, muzak continues....thank goodness for speaker mode ......

ah, some liveware on the other end tells me to call back in an hour.

uhuh. and how many concerned citizens are also gonna call back in an hour and fill up the voice mailbox yet again?

aint technology wunnerful !!!

and a great big collective and individual UP YOURS to suzuki and his greenhouse gas spewing partisans.

Posted by: robertbollocks at February 28, 2007 12:18 PM

Speaking of polls, it looks like Canada AM has refused to post its latest poll promised on this morning's program. If you go to the Canada AM site they are still using yesterday's poll about Jesus' tomb being found.

The poll was supposed to be something like "Is the defeat of the anti-terror legislation good for Canada?"

Looks like someone at CTV nixed the anti-terror poll when they figured the results would insult their party of favour - the Liberals.

Posted by: Rob at February 28, 2007 12:30 PM

On the contrary, this is completely unacceptable. These idiots at CBC won't even dig for common sense when they are being targeted.

Posted by: Erich at February 28, 2007 12:31 PM

12% of Muslims say its okay to behead the Prime Minister?

In the words of my grandmother:

"Seit Ihr Alle verueckt, oder seit Ihr doch noch zum retten."

Are you all completely mad, or can you still be saved?

Oh yes, I forgot life is cheap in Canada where terrorists can blow up a plane load of people and somehow we still don't have any substantive answers. (cf Air India debacle.)

Terrorists in Canada? Nah.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at February 28, 2007 12:31 PM

Actually, bryceman, it's not about statistics but about question construction - and that's always problematic.

I always used to insist to my students that they must NEVER write a negative question. Never. It's too confusing. You'd actually get a percentage of 'yes' responses to your negative question, because people will answer 'yes' - they have doubts, primarily because the question is unclear.

Your first question is also problematic. 'Do you have serious doubts'.... I wouldn't allow the phrase 'serious doubts' in the question. Because that word 'serious' could throw some respondents; they might have 'doubts' but not 'serious doubts'.

It is not always valid to move from a poll about reality to actual reality. The two realms, the verbal (what I say or think) and the actual (what I actually do) - aren't necessarily identical. That's why we have freedom of speech.

Posted by: ET at February 28, 2007 12:32 PM

It pays to play golf with influential people, you know... Specially if you loose the right games at right time.

Posted by: Aaron at February 28, 2007 12:56 PM

I wonder what the response would be to the same poll question if the question were asked to only non-Muslim folks at Rabble. I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage was higher.

I wouldn't personally put too much emphasis on the poll results to sway my opinion regarding Islamic radicalism...the news broadcasts are satisfactory for informing me as to their radicalism.

Even if the percentage of Muslims that commit atrocities is very low and there actually is a large peaceful majority, when you compare it to other large established religions or racial groups I suspect you will see that Muslims are SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous than any other group on the planet.

Is a quiet and apparently-peaceful Muslim more or less a problem than a quiet and apparently-peaceful neo-Nazi? The leftists never seem to have a problem teeing off on neo-Nazis and speaking in generalities about THEM but DO have a problem with anyone doing the same about Muslims.

Funny, that.

Posted by: Eeyore at February 28, 2007 12:57 PM

Oops,my post above should have been in the Sask thread. Sorry.

Posted by: Aaron at February 28, 2007 12:58 PM

Blowing up the CBC and beheading its inmates? Sounds like a damned good idea to me! At least the Islamists got SOMEthing right!

Posted by: John Lewis at February 28, 2007 1:07 PM

Citoyen Dion could be counted amoungst the yea to behead Harper crowd.

so far he has done everything else to try to unseat him.

Posted by: cal2 at February 28, 2007 1:09 PM

Yesterday the Huffington blog had to remove comments from vicious posters saying too bad re the attack on the VP. What hate americans have for their country. The democrats are discovering that most americans don't agree with their plans to cut off funding, or legislate defeat in Iraq.
Suzuki has an 11 yr old girl out flogging his message. She says impose a carbon tax now. Does she even know what a tax is, let alone a carbon tax. We need a law to protect children under the age of 16 to be used for propaganda, and their parent's should be charged with child abuse if they allow this.

Posted by: mary T. at February 28, 2007 1:09 PM

Ahh BCF had this story a week ago sheesh.

Posted by: Blazingcatfur at February 28, 2007 2:02 PM

Count me as one of the 12% of Canadians who agree that beheading muslims is OK.

Posted by: itlog95 at February 28, 2007 3:15 PM

Muslim taxi drivers at a US airport are refusing to take passengers if they have, or smell of alchol. Religious freedom or some crap. The result of this is for non mulims who don't want to ride with a muslim driver are telling said driver, I have alchol in my suitcase. It is then the muslims who are discriminating not the non muslim. Have muslim teachers, doctors, nurses or whatever, refused service to anyone who may need their services if they have had a drink. What about guards in police stations in charge of the drunk tank.

Posted by: mary T. at February 28, 2007 3:20 PM

Fair is fair ...

They want to behead out prime minister.
So we want to bare-head a soccer player.

That's fair isn't it?

Posted by: John at February 28, 2007 3:51 PM

CTV has their poll up

Was the defeat of the Anti-terror legislation the right thing for Canadians?

Yes (25 %)

No (75 %)

Posted by: Don't Want To at February 28, 2007 4:56 PM

Someone beat me too it... I hope they start with the CBC...

The Irony, the Irony

Posted by: Fred2 at February 28, 2007 4:59 PM

Not all muslims in canada are blood thirsty savages thats a pualtry 12%

Posted by: spurwing plover at February 28, 2007 5:00 PM

if 12% is accurate I think that is more people than our entire armed forces. better buy a koran.

Posted by: jmorrison at February 28, 2007 6:02 PM

I think the Liberals could have set the stage for a major voter spanking. If there's any terrorist action on Canadian soil, Canadians will remember which political parties turned their backs on our country's security.

It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

Posted by: Martin B. at February 28, 2007 7:07 PM

spurwing plover

that pualtry 12% represents a potential 84000 (that's eigty-four thousand) terrorists, that's not just significant, that's damn scary

Posted by: GYM at February 28, 2007 8:04 PM

The actual number of people who would actually carry out a terrorist attack is likely tiny ... but any number over 5% who support the notion of doing so, means that a very large potetial network of support exists. It means that in the very least, there are way too many who would be willing to look away or harbour the handful who would do the deed.

Posted by: Paul at February 28, 2007 10:00 PM

Judging by some of the anti-Harper vitriol on this site, I'd bet that a fair number of Canadians would answer a poll saying that Harper should be beheaded. They would only mean it in jest (I hope). I think the same effect is taking place here.

Posted by: KevinB at March 1, 2007 3:26 AM

When Steffi and the Fiberals first rose up to shut down
the anti-terror legislation enacted after 9/11...
I thought -- "the whole world is going mad" --
but it looks like that doesn't include the Australians.


Posted by: neo at March 1, 2007 8:34 AM

Ted: "I bet you'd get similar numbers if you asked Canadians if Bush should be hanged."

This type of sceculative twaddle I just love in "Progerssives" why even poll when we have preconcieved notions we are tying to justify with skewed number games....just publish the analysis nad drop the expense of polling...hell we know what they're thinkin'

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 1, 2007 9:20 AM