February 27, 2007

Gorean Creed

From a commenter at Reason, we present the Gorean Creed:

We believe in Global Warming
the Sea-Raiser, the All-Powerful,
maker of tsunami and hurricane,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Cause, The Activities of Man,
the lowest of all creatures,
except the ones that are brown.

Gasses from Coal, not Recycling from Blight, true Cause from true Gasoline, made, not begotten, of Driving when One Could Walk; through Man all pollutions were made.

For us and for our salvation
Gore came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Nader
and the Virgin Chomsky
and became truly political.
For our sake he was un-elected
under Pontius Harris;
he suffered defeat and was retired.
On the third year he rose again
in accordance with the Documentatrians;
he ascended into Hollywood
and is seated at the right hand
of the Film Executives.
He will come again in glory
to judge the polluting and the recycling,
and his kingdom will have a biodegradable end.

We believe in Global Warming, the Destroyer,
and the taker of life,
who proceeds from the Car and the Industry,
who with the Suburbs and the Factory Farm
is worshiped and glorified,
by the prophets of GREED.
We believe in the scientists who agree with us
and our beliefs.
We accept the starvation of Billions,
for the forgiveness of environmental sins.
We look for the return to subsistence farming,
and the whole grain life of the world to come.


Posted by Jaeger at February 27, 2007 4:44 PM

Hey, that's fun. The only problem is - there are LOTS of apocalyptics, seeking out the ecstasy of a doomsday existence, seeking out the flagellation of themselves as self defined Sinners seeking Purification - who will actually wallow in this rhetoric.

Posted by: ET at February 27, 2007 5:26 PM

Obviously Catholic.

Posted by: Doug at February 27, 2007 5:32 PM

I read today that Gore has not really gotten fatter. He just looks that way because he doesn't exhale CO2--his contribution to saving the planet.

Posted by: George at February 27, 2007 5:34 PM

25 liberals did not show up for the vote, 2 liberals voted with the govt, coulter abstained.
This was a whipped vote and all libs were ordered to be there. Dion did not win his causus

Posted by: mary T. at February 27, 2007 6:16 PM

I listened to it. Yes, Dijon one the vote but lost the caucus.

Ha! Pontificatin' arsehole.

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at February 27, 2007 6:54 PM

ET, on an earlier thread you have called climate change both a religion and a cult, and have suggested it has been relegated to theological processes.

Well naturally I agree with you completely. However, I would think about it a bit differently.

If climate change is a pseudo-science, it is also a pseudo-religion.

For those scientists among you are disgusted with climate change, please, we beg of you, don't try to foist this monstrosity onto the followers of religion.

I understand that the ultimate truth of religion cannot be demonstrated scientifically. It has to be seen a little like a point possessing only position, only definable by reference to coordinated axes, that is, to secondary principles, which only pertain to it by accident, and are implied as our concept of it develops.

However, "religion" is enormously definable and must suffer critical scholarship to establish itself. Recently, we have had The DaVinci Code. Naturally, scholars of religion have pretty well demonstrated that it has no valid claims to the position that it would represent.

On the other hand, knowledge has come out about the Valentinians from Gnostic texts, and this has to be dealt with more substantively and can't be brushed aside so easily.

Religions have specific texts that have to be taken into account, and have been examined from the lens of history, archeology, geography, philosophy, and their claims have to be supportable so far as they are prepared to make them.

Climate change does not belong in this category. It is not religion. True, it may be a cult.

I would say it's more like the gothic subculture that is so in love with Anne Rice's vampires that they like to dress like vampires, live in an atmosphere of darkness and death, and will even go so far as to drink blood in order to assure themselves that they really are vampires.

Another cult that might be similar was back in the days when Erik von Daniken was advancing the theory that extraterrestrials had landed on earth centuries in the past, and that it could be proven by enigmas in archeology. (He later did jail time for fraud.)

And of course, I was around for the Harmonic Convergence, and before that it was the Age of Aquarius, and on and on through what Maurice Eliade called cultural fashions.

So I would say if climate change is a religion, it would have be seen as a religion only in the sense of pop culture... very much like witchcraft, something born out of the impulses of zealots, without antiquity, texts, references,history, archeology. The miraculous thing is that it now has Hollywood on its side, and Al Gore (of all people) has become its prophet.

Shouldn't a prophet have just a little bit of charisma?

Posted by: Greg in Dallas at February 27, 2007 7:11 PM

I followed the link to the discussion that the quote came from. It was amazing to see that hardly a global warming supporter on that thread could rise above either name calling or pandering to the "consensus" view simply because it is the “consensus”. I wonder if these folks, some of whom have science backgrounds, have read or looked at one single piece of research that's gone into the IPCC report. Nobody there could quote from or describe such, which makes it seem, to me at least, that they are simply taking the "consensus" position because that's what they've been told by the IPCC. Finding the actual research that went into the IPCC report is a tricky business ... it's out there, but not to be found in any catalogued sequential forum. Oh, you can find fancy little kindergarten graphs and all, but try to find the hard research that went into it … not easy at all. In the end, the nerds on that site don't know anymore than you or I or my pet dog about the empirical proof that is Climate Change theory.

Posted by: Paul at February 27, 2007 7:19 PM

Greg in Dallas:

Prophets usually have a charism, in ecclesiology.

But in this case the "Goreacle" is more motivated by "profit" and hence no charisma is required.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at February 27, 2007 7:28 PM

Absolutely brilliant. I especially like how well it matches the rhythm of the creed.

Posted by: Michael at February 27, 2007 7:30 PM

Given the hatred of Nader by most Gore fans, the reference to him rings false.

Posted by: James Kabala at February 27, 2007 7:30 PM

I wonder how much gore and strong and chretain and other kyotologists lost on the stock market today. I suppose that even tho this started in China, some will blame the Income Trust change for their losses.
I think dion not only lost the caucus today, but also the election. Layton will probably be able to use that exercise room and dion can go back to school.
I can see the election ads, using dion's own words and libs and msm calling them attack ads. The truth is not an attack.

Posted by: mary T. at February 27, 2007 7:40 PM

"It procedes from the cow fart and the sun..."

Posted by: kathy Shaidle at February 27, 2007 7:55 PM

Lame .... very lame .... illiterate ... very illiterate ... ignorant ... very ignorant ... no surprises here ... just mindless adherence to empty slogans.

Zundelesque behaviours from people who do not care what the future will hold for your children and grandchildren.

A Memo
FROM: The folks at smalldeadanimals
TO: Future generations
Ah .. there wasn't enough for both of us, so we used your share. Oh well, it's each person for themselves really, isn't it????

Posted by: leftdog at February 27, 2007 8:16 PM

Greg in dallas - yes, Kyotoism is a pseudo-religion, and is therefore a cult.

But one has to be careful of defining 'what is a religion'. I can accept Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism as 'religions' in the sense that they are reasoned and logical, if unscientific, examinations of the origin of life, of consciousness, of morality. An important aspect of these religions is their insistence on the use of reason, logic, analysis as approaches to understanding and using their ideas.

But they are not science; they rest on axioms which must be accepted as valid (eg the Athanasian Trinity) while science rests on axioms that must be open to debate, constant verification and open to disproof. This requirement for the acceptance of axioms is found in Kyotoism.

I have a hard time defining Islam as it now is, within this definition of religion because Islam specifically rejects reason. Islam requires reformation - to enable its practioners to use reason and logic.

Cults are without reason and focus only on emotion; cults require emotion because they operate by peer pressure and authoritarian leaders - and guilt. Cults really don't require basic axioms; the 'glue' holding their practioners together is the emotional bonding, the worship and fear of the leader.

So, I define Kyotoism as a religion because of its requirement for basic axioms of belief. I think your definition of 'pseudo-religion' is more accurate, because Kyotoism is also a cult, because it rejects reason and operates solely within emotional blackmail and manipulation.

leftdog - you are repeating mindless emotive slogans, clear evidence of your illiteracy about these issues.

Posted by: ET at February 27, 2007 8:37 PM

"I read today that Gore has not really gotten fatter. He just looks that way because he doesn't exhale CO2--his contribution to saving the planet."
I had to paste that in, that was an amazing comment, keep up the skepticism!

Posted by: the constant skeptic at February 27, 2007 9:34 PM

With no deliberate attempt to gore anyone's pet ox... and the certainty that I will anyway because the topic is religion: I propose a definition of religion wider and less forgiving than ET. Put as simply as I can, religion is any philosophy or system of beliefs that once adopted, is used to provide answers to questions of morality without reference to the actual facts of the matter, and which will permit no dissent. Anything that lets you stop thinking, because a higher authority than yourself has given you all the answers already, is both a religion, and dangerous for that reason.
I am not dealing with the concept of spirituality here, nor the existence or non-existence of God. How each of you choose to find meaning in the universe is your own, deeply personal right, and so vastly important to your own existence that you don't dare farm it out to anyone else.
You can believe in a supreme being, and ask what God would have you do with your life without making a religion out of it, but the moment you cast out your unmarried pregnant daughter - or kill her - because that is the proper Whateverist thing to do, as preached in meeting and written in the Book, then you are no longer a thinking human.
If you think about it...all philosophies anywhere on the political spectrum have the danger of becoming religions, if the practitioners stop thinking for themselves, accept without proof the words of their authorities and assume that all questions have already been answered.

Posted by: T.Robert Wolfram at February 27, 2007 11:02 PM

I sometimes ask people to name for me the world's eight largest religions.

Invariably, people can answer 4, 5, or 6 of them, and after that they come up blank.

Of course, I do this as just a parlor-game way of pointing out how little so many of us actually know about religion.

In the interest of shortening this, let me just say that Karl Barth and Paul Tillich are often seen as the two most important Protestant theologians. Naturally, you would get some argument about this, but any educated person would understand that they are two of the most eminent names in theology.

My favorite is Paul Tillich, and here is the way he started his essay "Invocation: the Lost Dimension of Religion:"

"Being religious means asking passionately the questions of the meaning of our existence and being willing to receive answers, even if the answers hurt. Such an idea of religion makes religion universally human, but it certainly differs from what is usually called religion. It does not describe religion as the belief in the existence of gods or one God, and as a set of activities and institutions for the sake of relating oneself to these beings in thought, devotion, and obedience. No one can deny that the religions which have appeared in history are religions in this sense. Nevertheless, religion in its innermost nature is more than religion in this narrower sense. It is the state of being concerned about one's own being and being universally.

"There are many people who are ultimately concerned in this way who feel far removed, however, from religion in the narrower sense, and therefore from every historical religion. It often happens that such people take the question of the meaning of their life infinitely seriously and reject any historical religion just for this reason. They feel that the concrete religions fail to express their profound concern adequately. They are religious while rejecting religions. It is this experience which forces us to distinguish the meaning of religion as living the the dimension of depth from particular expressions of one's ultimate concern in the symbols and institutions of a concrete religion..."

Perhaps someone might wish to read the essay. Now as I said above, this is the position of one of the two most eminent Protestant theologians in the contemporary world. And we have not touched on the philosophy of religion or on religious phenomenology, where I spend most of my theological endeavors.

Once you get into it, you realize this is a huge subject and a very profound one that does not lend itself to easy conceptualizations.

Posted by: Greg in Dallas at February 28, 2007 12:03 AM


Don't leave me hangin' man...just what exactly was it you were tryin' to say?

Posted by: snoopdoggie at February 28, 2007 12:31 AM

Off the top of my head - top eight religions (not in order):

1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Buddhism
5. Sikhism
6. Judaism
7. Jainism
8. Taoism

The only other religions I know are Zoroastrianism, which is really tiny, and Confuscianism, which is more of a civic set of behaviors and values. I have a nagging feeling that I've missed an important one...

Surely most people know at least this many religions!

Posted by: Paul at February 28, 2007 12:57 AM

The one that was nagging at me was Bahá'í Faith.

Posted by: Paul at February 28, 2007 1:00 AM


I can't understand you with all that foam comming out of your mouth.

Posted by: missing link at February 28, 2007 1:42 AM

It is thought Gore may be getting into the Presidential race at some point. He better hope he doesn't get found out ,or called out on his Apocalyptic Climatic/Environmental flimflam before he can use it to drum himself to Office.

He refused to appear on a TV show with anyone of
opposing view so he can't be too sure of himself if he can't debate his 'cause'.

On the petty side, he is fatter, probably eating too much of the old Southern staple, biscuits sopped in gravy. Sounds like a recipe to dull the mind.

Posted by: Liz J at February 28, 2007 7:50 AM

It is thought Gore may be getting into the Presidential race at some point. He better hope he doesn't get found out ,or called out on his Apocalyptic Climatic/Environmental flimflam before he can use it to drum himself to Office.

He refused to appear on a TV show with anyone of
opposing view so he can't be too sure of himself if he can't debate his 'cause'.

On the petty side, he is fatter, probably eating too much of the old Southern staple, biscuits sopped in gravy. Sounds like a recipe to dull the mind.

Posted by: Liz J at February 28, 2007 7:51 AM

I can now see the direct cultist influence between the global warming cult dogma and the Gaia worshipping globalist sect which created it...the great mother earth nature cult of tree and sky worshippers (Gaia) which sprang from a well heeled congergation of "global transormationalists" who met in a Crystal pyramid temple on Moe Strong's Colorodo ranch 2 decades ago. Strong who commissioned and drafted the earth charter and encased it in a mock effigy of the Judaic arc of the covenant ( Strong's roots are Judaic so much of his new age religion mocks the trappings of Judaism)is still deeply involved in this occult global tranfomationalist Gaia worchip Mumbo Jumbo.

The dogma of this cult ended up in the earth charter, UN sustainabuility documents and as the driving force behind Kyoto Protocol and climate change junk science.

Moe spreads his Gaia church globally without the knowledge of the useful idiots who unwittingly adopt Gaia when they adop it's faith-based science which amounts to sympathetic magic from Gaia dogma.

The new green paganism is sweeping media and leftist ranks like a new "revolutionary cause" and this is as planned because Gaia and climate disater dogmatism has roots in global communism as does its creators ( Strong/Gorbachev/Gore-Armand Hammer).

So the new green/left religion reflects all of its creators personality traits.

“The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments.”

— Maurice Strong

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 28, 2007 9:40 AM

Here's a great quote I just saw - they were relating it to business and companies and the stock market - but it applies to all this apocalyptic future warming stuff.

"It is very difficult to make an accurate prediction, especially about the future." - Niels Bohr, Nobel Prize winning Physicist (1885-1962).

Posted by: cconn at February 28, 2007 10:20 AM

Kyoto is a cult.

-Gore, Suzuki, Strong are the Hapsburgs of Spain leading the new extremist theology
-The UN is their Vatican
-The parliaments and congresses of Canada and the EU are their cathedrals
-The universities are their seminaries and the profs and scientists their priests
-The corrupted "peer review" system are their Vatican scholars defining what are heresies and what are scriptures (and rewarding and punishing the priests accordingly)
-The media are their conquistadores of the inquisition

Those who question the "one true path" are to be declared heretics and punished.

Posted by: Warwick at February 28, 2007 12:06 PM

Anybody remember the name Paul Hellyer ???

This guy was Trudeau's Minister of Defence. Guess what he is promoting now.

" ..Paul Hellyer, 83, is calling for a public disclosure of alien technology obtained during alleged UFO crashes -- such as the mysterious 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico -- because he believes alien species can provide humanity with a viable alternative to fossil fuels... " (Ottawa Citizen)

Can you believe this ?? Canadian Federal Liberals are a haven for nut cases. We have our work cut out.

And we thought Gore and Suzuki are fried !!

Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at February 28, 2007 12:24 PM