That's a wonderful way to get people on your side.
Who does he think he is?

Linda wrote,

"Who does he think he is?"

Isnt it obvious...DR David, F*c**ng, Suzuki, and he is not a loser.....

(reference to Jerry McGuire)

Propagandize the children, when the adults won't listen to your message. Worked for the Nazis, so, in that time honored tradition, carry on Dr. Goebbels.

David Suzuki has come to believe his own press clippings, wherein he KNOWS, the way, truth, etc. He has lost any semblance of objectivity, and sounds more like a religious fanatic than a scientist.

If his "end result" is influenced by a business arrangement with Maurice Strong and company, then Suzuki is a despicable creature. Otherwise, he's merely blinded by his own sense of self righteousness.

Anytime anyone places a political argument before students without a balanced counter-argument there should be an outcry. Politics has no place in the classroom. Children are not equipped intellectually to deal with political argument.

I've gone after my local school a number of times for teachers bringing politics into the classroom and in each case it was lefties doing it. What's with the left and enviro-porn crowd, that they think nothing of bashing kids with their message, yet they'd go nuts if anyone right of centre did the same. Talk about a religion.

I've no idea why, but we have a copy of the Calgary Herald in our mailbox this morning - the headline blazed across it is, "Suzuki says premier unfit to lead Alberta". As far as I'm concerned, he can leave our province and never come back - he's not welcome here. His speech to elementary school children in such a manner is the same as using that psychotic-looking kid in the Greenpeace ad.

This fanatic has no place speaking to our children.

I should maybe mention that I'm a high school teacher, and have on numerous occasions encountered kids spouting this kind of leftist political garbage, obviously regurgitating what was force-fed to them, as they immediately backed down when quietly presented with counter-arguments. It's amazing to me how little these kids are taught HOW to think, but they are certainly taught WHAT to think. It reminds me of one kid who came in receiving an excellent mark on a social studies project titled something like, "Why George Bush is a jerk". We are failing our children terribly if we don't protect them from being used as pawns in these political 'wars'. The grown-ups are supposed to be hashing this out, not using the children as cannon fodder.

I found Suzuki repulsive even before all the hype of all things Kyoto..he is a media-whore,and this latest attempt to brainwash KIDS,should be alarming!Why is he being allowed to trash PMSH/Cons. to a bunch of kindergarten kids? This tour is looking more and more,as part of the Lib.election campaign,and should be labelled as such.Dion is useless as a leader,and Suzuki is the mouth taking over,as Dion is no longer credible as environmental "saviour".I see in G&M,that Holland is going to Alta.in March..that should be interesting,as a tour of Fort Mac.will be included...maybe some of the "boys" out there can put him to work,earning some "izzy monies"

Dr.D. is starting to behave more like Bono everyday. Cruising around in a "Carbon Credit"bus
making pronouncments to the great unwashed. living on Quadra Island where he has a lecturn built on the front of his property.

Lecture us no more , Dr. Bono!!

http://www.cbc.ca/national/rex/rex_061017.html

Just dropped a letter into the letters to the editor section at the Herald.

Calgary Superintendant of Schools:

Dr. Brendan J. Croskery

ChiefSuperintendent@cbe.ab.ca

Now that Suzuki , has retired from the CBC and no longer has his taxpayer paid platform from which to pontificate, he is just an angry old man , and will become even more agitated as more people question his "snake oil" preachings.

... eventually someone is going to call him out and he will likely "lose it" and further discredit himself.

The federal government can declare an organinzation illegal or terrorist or words to that effect. Can a Prov. Govt do the same. If so, Premier Stelmach should immediately declare the Suzuki Foundation a dangerous organization and ban all future speakers from said org from Alberta. I wonder if he used the 800.+ dollars to offset his carbon emmission and sent it out of the country. If a parent threatened their child that way they would have Social Services at their door to take away the kids. Every Albertan should write the Minister of Ed to have this guy and his message banned from talking to our kids.
I wonder how many of those kids he scared are going to give up their X-boxes, i-pods, computers etc. Christmas shopping next year should be much cheaper for parents, if no electronic devices are on the list. Is he scheduled for any other appearances in AB. They should be cancelled NOW.
How long before some lawyer is defending a young offender for destroying a display of video games etc, with the defence, But Your Honor, he listened to Suzuki and was trying to save the planet.

I have faith in our kids and here's one reason why:
During a recent "brown"winter I was driving my 8 year old to school (we live in the country). He was debating me about global warming like a young Suzuki, refusing to consider any viewpoint other than his own. When he got home off the schoolbus I had a list prepared for him of previous "brown" winters dating back as far as recorded weather records went. He dismissed the evidence as irrelevant.
This winter, which has been very snowy, as we're making the same trip, the enviro-nazi gestures at the landscape and snorts "Hmpf, global warming!"

This story just pisses me right off. I live in Calgary and if I had my kids in this school they would be moving to another one next week.

Fortunately in my son's school one of his teachers told the class that Al Gore lied. And in my daughter's school at least they are seeing both sides.

What a bunch of sheep in that auditorium...they were the classic polite bunch, but someone should have had the balls to point out what a pompous ass jerk-off Suzuki is.

And for those who thought Stelmach would be a no-name patsy...looks like he might come through for us.

/rant off

Next time the Fruit Fly is in Calgary I think I'll throw some carbon-neutral vegitable matter at his limosine. ;-)

What a horses ass...and check out the openly biased politics in the school admin. who allow a political hysteric like the Fly to propagandize a partisan message to kids who can't vote yet!...seems like child abuse to me soviet style.

I guess I wouldn't mind so much if the same school had the head environmental egineer from Suncor in to explain some of the new environmental technologies being used and designed for the sands...but we know that won't happen. Having had first hand experince with the mindset of the dogmatic partisan liberals who inhabit the Calgary public system, I know what the game is....politicization of the learning process and partisan indoctrination on a pervasive almost subliminal level.

This is the school board which once(before Daniell Smith straightened them out) wanted to sanitize all the school texts used to be "gender neutral"....don't think Calgary has a public school system insulated from pervasive politically correct indoctribation...it is among the worst in Canada for left-wing partisan politics in administration...I know, I have butted heads with them.

I am sooooo glad I got my kids out of the Calgary public system....you can see what's happened...partisan politics/ideoligies has infected the major Alberta city school boards as a counter to the public will who elect conservative governments...now they are indoctrinating the next generation of Alberta voters with Lib-left dogma and partisan politics at an early suggestive age...kids this age do not need to be instilled with partisan political biases any more than religious or cultural biases...why kill a child's joy of naivity? Adult pressures come soon enough...it's absolute evil!

Hey WL, if we are lucky the kids will rebel against the teachers (like we did) and reject all this crap.

Especially when we they see all the teachers driving into work in their SUV's.

And have you even heard what he was saying to these kids?

As reported in Edmonton Sun:

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Suzuki, who was invited to speak at Calgary's Altadore elementary school and accept $835 collected by the students for his foundation, asked kids what Harper's main priority was after being elected last year.

"The only thing he cares about is getting re-elected with a majority government," he said, adding any of the PM's pledges to preserve the environment are cynical ploys to that end.

"I don't believe there is a green bone in Harper's body - he has never, ever indicated he cares about the environment."

He told the room some of his message was directed at the adults, because the youngsters don't vote and Harper and other politicians don't care about them.

"It's up to your moms and dads to ensure your futures and livelihoods are part of the agenda," he said to about 185 students ranging from kindergarten to Grade 6.

Following his presentation, Suzuki received a warm round of applause, prompting the geneticist to note it was coming from oil-rich Albertans.

Later, with reporters, Suzuki slammed the province's refusal to rein in the development of the oilsands, which produces massive amounts of greenhouse gas.

"Albertans have always had the highest standard of living in the country.

"Why do you need all this out-of-control expansion of the oilsands?" said an angry Suzuki.

"It's insanity ... it's crazy."

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Looks like he now thinks he is qualified to judge sanity of individuals as well as predict global warming.

If *I* was the headmaster/principal of that school I would have taken back the check - or told the bank to stop payment.

Thats part of the problem... the principal. This guy should be run out of town. Send letters to the CBE superintendent of schools or to your MLA.

"A clearly agitated Suzuki " . . .

more like the Fruit Fly Guy has lost and is clearly demented.

They are getting more and more desperate, shouting louder and longer.

Meanwhile, bit by bit, scientists and researchers not on the IPCC UN payroll or travel to exotic places for meetings gig are exposing the flaws and outright deceits in the IPCC reports.

Where is the hockey stick ??

Who did the peer review on the original Urban Heat Island estimates ? (hint - they have the same names !)

Where is the original climate data set for North America and who "altered" i.e. created new data ??

The one thing that cannot be denied is the overwhelming success the CBC has had for producing arrogant,spoilt,privileged hosts & hostesses.Queen Adrienne and Dr fruitfly ,another example of your taxdollars at work.

In addition, he said our Premier was unfit to lead, when talking to a room full of businessmen.
If he gets out of Alberta in one piece, with no damage to his carbon emitting bus it will be a miracle. No gas station should fill him up and no hotel or restaurant should give him the time of day. We need a sheriff to tell him, get out of town and don't come back, ever.

Again. To find out where all the lunacy came from, google Maurice Strong.

You will see why the Canadian media is behind the fanaticism, why Kyoto is a Hoax, why the UN used a lie(hockey stick graph) to push the "agenda" and on and on and on ......

And besides Mo sits on Suzuki's board.

Another David Suzuki lie. http://stevejanke.com/archives/216779.php

B. Hoax Aware is SO right.
It IS fanaticism and there has to be a reason why they're trying to scare the public so much.
Uncle Mo shows up on everyone's board that can help him out. But why?

Polly - without meaning to be overly harsh, your anecdote about your son does not instil the slightest confidence in me. If a present cold snowy winter can change his mind, then what will happen in a warm summer?

Teach your child logic, clear thinking and a healthy dose of cynicism.

"Albertans have always had the highest standard of living in the country.

"Why do you need all this out-of-control expansion of the oilsands?" said an angry Suzuki

Oh Please...The people that settled here were as poor could be and worked diligently to become rich. When that was acccomplished Suzuki gov't raped Alberta with the NEP! This guy is a vindictive angry old fart with virtually no credability. Thankgoodness for all the methane and CO2 he produces travelling across this country he more or less only preahces to the converted.

The doc is surely educated and possesses substantial knowledge however Suzuki is living proof that you can still be an idiot and completely devoid of any class. The man is an asshole from the word "Go".

Hubris, sorry, Tenebris
Whatever made you imagine that my anecdote had anything to do with YOUR confidence in my son?

In thinking further about this story I cannot understand why someone, anyone, in the audience did not openly challenge him on the drivel he was spewing before a gathering of children. Here is this self-styled "envirogod" insulting the Prime Minister of our country in front of primary school children! I can absolutely guarantee you that had I been there I would have shouted him down and verbally beat his sorry ass for saying the things he said. Calgarians are much too polite.

The Red-Green brainwashing of your children by the likes of Suzuki is funded by big reduction of Greenhouse Gas emissions. Over 3766 households participated last year, we hope to have more than 4000 participate this year. ...-
http://www.seedsfoundation.ca/links.html

Lets get lots of letters to the calgary sun asking for his column to be cancelled.

Dr. Suzuki said: "I don't believe there is a green bone in Harper's body ..."

I certainly hope there isn't a green bone in the PM's body. Wouldn't that indicate some kind of toxic mould setting in?

Poor old Suzkooky, adding credence to the moniker
"The Mad Scientist". Let's make that the Mad Junk
Scientist.
An example of what happens when someone gets carried
away after researching and studying in one direction, no objectivity.
It happens with Religious Zealots, there is a comparison. They know the truth and the way. All others are wrong and wont be saved.
Pass the Cool Aid.

Suzuki has clearly lost his mind. After his latest childish and partisan outburst in front of those elementary school students, it will become difficult for anyone to take him seriously. He is just an angry old man who craves attention.

Writing as a retired classroom teacher and school principal, I have never had any MLA or MP, nor anyone who visited our school and classrooms for educational reasons indulge in any political partisanship such as Dr. D. Suzuki did in Alberta recently.

All visitors respected the students and understood that presentations must be unbiased and not political in nature.

Dr. Suzuki leaves himself without credibility as a scientist or educator, and becomes nothing more than a zealot and an opportunist without principle. He has lost his ability to distinguish between self-interest and the "Great Cause" to which he has devoted himself. He suckles on donations to his foundation while preaching the wickedness of his donors and disrespect for our legitimately elected government(s) to children captive at school.

I have had snakes in my classroom, and I would much rather have had them visit visit us than Dr. Suzuki.

What a small, mean, morally challenged zealot he has become!

Hoax B ware asks: "You will see why the Canadian media is behind the fanaticism, why Kyoto is a Hoax, why the UN used a lie(hockey stick graph) to push the "agenda" and on and on and on "

Wel for the life of me I can't understand why the Sun chain even give The Fruit fly a pulpit for his crap...I hope the editorial staff os at least the Calgary Sun tell him to:

A) mind his own business and clean up his own province before offering innuendo about ours

B) Show some class and not take vulgar political grandstanding/profiteering into a classroom with impressionable kids.

C) find another paper to publish his asinine political messaging.

Personally, I don't think there is a sane bone in suzuki anymore. Murtha has lost it in the US, and now Suzuki has really lost it and shown us what insanity really looks like. Re algores oscar tomorrow, of course he will win, but as a climatoligist said, it should be in the science fiction category. He will run for Pres in 2008, saying he is answering the call of his deciples, and by Nov 2008, most sensible voters will have discovered he is still full of crap. Will he kiss his wife tomorrow, on stage.

I think what is happening to Suzuki is that after wearing, for so many years, the mantle of white environmental knight, he expected people to continue to take what he had to say at face value. The difference being his past messages were invariably seen as well intentioned but more important did not have that much of an impact on the daily life of the average Canadian. Right or wrong - it didn't make much difference. He worked on the periphery of politics.

Now that he has inserted himself in the middle of a highly political issue that has the potential to adversely affect each and every Canadian and his message is under intense scrutiny, he is withering under the heat of the political limelight. I'm sure he is shocked at his treatment by what used to be, if not an adoring media, at least a fairly passive one.

Broad acceptance of his message in the past left him unprepared to face the challenges to a message that, given the consequences, cannot be taken at face value. His ego has taken a huge hit prompting the increasingly aggressive behavior we have seen from him recently.

It's sad to see somebody reduced to getting his political message out through elementary school students. But considering experiences of the past couple of weeks, it's a perfect venue. No challenge.

Well done Dr. David Suzuki. The ones who need this spelled out to them are the children and the parents of those children. It'll be their world when this generation of money hungry knuckle walking cons finish screwing it up.
Sorry but these posts prove that in an Albertans mind money comes before anything else, even children.
Suzuki is right, Harper and Stelmach are unfit to lead during this environmental crisis.

Jan, I like how you put that.
As a kid I enjoyed Suzuki's stuff...interesting & informative.
As the self annointed pastor for Earth...not so much.
I don't have a burning desire to commit economical suicide while Canada, with all our evil ways, contribute 2%ish to the warming problem.

As my son says "Hmpf"

The principal probably with the able assistance of his/her teaching staff is responsible for this.

In this time of political correctness you can be assured that the school board has guidelines as to what is appropriate for discussion with students.

One would expect that if somebody is presenting a biased argument that the teachers would question that view for the benefit of their students education.

This is obviously not the case and exposes the public education system (in this school) as no more than a school for indoctrination. Little wonder then that savvy parents are avoiding enrolling their children into such a system.

Let the socialists continue this, then hear them squeal when enrolment drops and schools are closed - as is already happening in Vancouver.That will solve the long term problem.

In the short term if I were a parent of a child at Attadore school I would be writing to the superintendent of schools advising him of my decision to commence home schooling.

One of my favourite High School memories was a speaker coming to our school spouting out some leftist garbage - I can honestly say I have no recollection of WHAT the message was about, but we had shop teacher (Industrial Arts) who was a bit of a loose cannon (totally my favourite in the faculty) who let loose with a couple of zinger questions that totally threw this person one their backside.

Can't remember the substance, but I do remember as all the kids around me were nodding and "uh-huhing" we were all enlightened once some balance was restored.

Students are not taught to think nowadays. They come to school and are fed from the commie trough. Nuff said.

"albatrosa,b or whatever. Your name completely matches whatever is attached to your brain. Tell me, would you agree to have a person oppossed to Suzuki's point of view show up to your kid's school and, not only take a different stance than the idiot doctor but personally attack him and all others who think like him (and you)? Come now, turn about is fair play, no? I can't wait for your answer.

Sorry albatros a to z. I can't let you get away that easy. PMSH in his just over a year in government has done SO much more than your "all hat and no cattle" liberals on the environmental file. Talk about a bunch of absolutely phoney fakes!!! They sure talked a great game but did SQUAT!!!! Come on alby! Give us just one dog biscuit! What did Citroyen Dijon do? Just one thing, Alby! Just one thing, please. No more bullshit. Just give us ONE

As I said before,I think this Suzuki tour is just the start of Dion's campaign...Suzuki taking money from the kiddies,and brainwash attempt earns him my "Most Like Joe Volpe" award.The more I think about this stunt,I can't believe no one there stood up to this garbage.
Any of you good Saskatchewanites go and see Dion on his visit to your province?Saw photo in tonites Wpg.Free Press of Dion down on the farm..I think he was checkin out the cow farts.There were also 2-3 articles attacking Jim Prentice (Phil Fontaine),and bunch of women at conference of First Nations women at U of W.
You know,after much pondering on why I detest Libs.so much,is that the majority of the male mp's aren't "real men".They are wishy washy,metrosexual poofs,and they just creep me out.I am NOT homophobic,that isn't it..but I love real men,hardworking,honest,manly men,that will fight for what they believe in,and Libs stand for everything,and nothing.Whenever I see John McCallum,I just want to throw a brick at the t.v..he is the slimiest,creepiest of them all...even Sen.David Smith,with his whining voice,induces "fingernails on chalkboard" cringe.Not a one of them moves me to feel respect or trust..and now throw Suzuki,and those Amnesty International Geeks in (Alex Neve,and that Jim guy from Ont.)...see the pattern here?They are attempting to "neuter" Canada,and it makes me ill.
Too much time on my hands tonite,but this has been weighing on my mind for a long time..any feedback??

Bob said - "Tell me, would you agree to have a person oppossed to Suzuki's point of view show up to your kid's school and, not only take a different stance than the idiot doctor but personally attack him and all others who think like him (and you)? Come now, turn about is fair play, no? I can't wait for your answer."

Would I be opposed to him, if I knew his stance was to tell children that we are not harming the environment and that global warming wasn’t mans polluting that atmosphere with excessive CO2? Damb straight I’d oppose him because the fact is global warming is aggravated by mans activities on the planet. Why would anyone want somebody to come into a school to feed the children pseudoscience, just so some special interest groups can sell oil and get rich on the backs of the future of those children? You don’t give equal time to liars in schools so they can mislead the children, you teach children the facts.

Bob said - "PMSH in his just over a year in government has done SO much more than your "all hat and no cattle" liberals on the environmental file. Talk about a bunch of absolutely phoney fakes!!! They sure talked a great game but did SQUAT!!!! Come on alby! Give us just one dog biscuit! What did Citroyen Dijon do? Just one thing, Alby! Just one thing, please. No more bullshit. Just give us ONE"

So the only thing Harper has done out of his own free will is to try and destroy Canada’s commitment to Kyoto, drag their feet on anything that threatens his beloved tar sands and bring out that little joke of his that he called the “Clean Air Act”. The only time that the cons do anything real for the environment is when the opposition forces them to. Then the only real plans that they bring forward is resurrect something that was put in place by the Liberals and cancelled by the cons when they got into power. It’s funny when cons say the Liberals did nothing because that nothing is what the cons end up resurrecting, like Energuide.

To date, the media has been wildly supportive of GW because the reporting of catastrophes (real or forecast)makes compelling copy and increase reader/listenership. Fortunately, the case has been made and there is very little doom left to publish that will not be redundant (boring) or wildly over the top and shrill.

Forecast: The media will begin to focus on a new topic. That new topic will be about conflict. The media will begin to search out and publish the conflict between Righteous GW believers and scientists who disagree. This new focus will be rich ground for journalists to plow. No one can stay on top forever so Gore and Suzuki make an irresistable target for the media to bring down. Furthermore, Gore/Suzuki and the IPCC gang have deliberately tried to supress dissent. Even a clumsy, lazy unmotivated reporter can locate solid scientific evidence to make this cabal look bad. Voila, great new angle for the media to beat to death.

Gore, Suzuki and the IPCC have peaked in influence. The GW mania has peaked. Its all downhill from here for the forcasters of doom.

Might I remind y'all, as Kate asked at 2007-02-23.11:34, "Please avoid taking troll bait". Perhaps, instead, you might attempt to reduce negative influences on SDA's signal-to-noise ratio, and instead simply enjoy Monty Python's Albatross sketch, available here: youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U

Albatross is a troll from the yahoo boards.His favorite modus is to pose questions and then answer under another sock puppet name..He is also one of the primary reasons the yahoo boards are being reformated.As Kate said there be trolls out there and Alby is the worst.

While environment minsister, Dion won 3 fossil awards. These were added to 41 fossil of the day awards won by Liberal environment ministers between 1999 and 2005.

You were saying albatros?

"Damb straight I’d oppose him because the fact is global warming is aggravated by mans activities on the planet. Why would anyone want somebody to come into a school to feed the children pseudoscience..."
Posted by: albatros39a at February 24, 2007 10:34 PM

(I posted this in a different comment thread, but I guess he didn't get back to it)

An open question to albatros39a:

Since you should be up to a direct scientific question, by your own claim ("because I’m a fourth year undergrad in; can you guess? It’s in environmental science") I have a question you might attempt to address.

I have asked this question of a number of scientists, and pseudo-scientists, who are unequivocally in support of the theory of AGW, or ACC. I always get an abrupt change of subject, or an all-of-a-sudden need for them to see someone they just spotted on the other side of the room.

So, what do YOU think. Approximately 10,000 years ago the northern part of the North American continent was covered by an ice sheet that, in places, was over two miles thick, and which had a southern edge that extended south of the Great Lakes region. It was so thick, massive and extensive that it caused the crust to *sink* in that area. The crust in the Great Lakes region is still, to this date, rebounding from that massive weight.

At that time (approx. 10,000 ya) there was very little population by man, very little burning of fossil fuels, no industrialization, and no evidence of any massive disruptions of a geological nature (i.e. Deccan or Columbia sized plateau basalt eruptions, or massive bolide collisions).

So, what changed at that time (circa 10,000 +/- years ago) that would have warmed the climate and caused the melting of such a large ice mass, and it's retreat back to the polar region? A retreat, btw, that continues today.

There is also ample evidence of elevated CO2 levels in the distant, and very distant, past. What created those?

You know... just askin'.

BTW... what exactly IS that thing hanging around your neck?

I remember reading in one of Suzuki's books a question he posed to the head of the Canadian Humane Society regarding hunting and his thoughts on the practice. The answer to Suzuki's question was more or less that it was the result of bad breeding. I recall wondering what Suzuki thought of that?

I no longer wonder.
He really is just another "noble" ass hat worshiped by dingbats and those too young to know any better.

Yoop, nobody denies that there is a natural cycle to the climate, due mainly to the Milankovitch cycle changing the solar insulation received by the earth. But many other mechanisms are involved in climate change too, like volcanoes, continental drift, solar activity and even the occasional asteroid smacking into the earth. The problem this time is the rate at which the temperature is rising. It’s something that has not been seen before in the climatic record. We are indeed in a natural warming cycle, I don't deny this, but the rate at which the temp is rising is the problem. It's not supposed to be getting this warm, this quickly and the natural ecosystems on the planet cannot compensate for the sudden change. Ecosystems respond at a rate similar to that of evolution and if it can’t keep up, it dies like we are seeing with the polar bear. So even though there are other things that have caused climate change, the earth has never experienced man pumping his CO2 into the atmosphere.
The real kicker for Alberta and most of the prairie region is that as they continue to extract oil from the tar sands, and ignore the changes, they could end up losing their entire agriculture industry. No more Alberta beef, no more prairie wheat and no corn to grow to produce ethanol. In fact, anyone living between the Cascade Range to the Manitoba-Saskatchewan border will quite possibly be living in a desert in less than 50 years. The glaciers that feed the western rivers will be gone so the rivers will simply dry up. To complicate matters, as temperature increases the subtropical high will move further north dramatically decreasing precipitation in the rain shadow of the mountains. As the subtropical high moves north, the polar front will moves north allowing dry continental air from the south turning everything from Texas to Fort St. John to Yorktown to become an extension of the Mojave desert. To the east and north of this region will become the new Tornado Ally.
Whether you want to believe it or not, western Canada has the most to lose from global warming.

So albatros eh. Yoop is the guy I would pick to go to your school and present the other side of this issue. You would oppose his right to do that because it is pseudoscience etc... Yet you gladly debate him on this forum. Interesting. I at least give you credit for engaging in the debate whereas Suzuki, in a completely inappropriate forum, absolutely ridicules and insults those who question his omniscient knowledge. What do you want albatros, total and complete adherence to your science or can we have a debate without the insults?

Bob, Suzuki was invited in to give a talk, not a debate, and the parents came to listen to him talk. He gave them what they came for.
Debate is one thing, but purposely feeding children false information is completely different animal.

albatros - did anyone really go there to hear his vitriol about how Stephen Harper doesn't care about them, and the like? Is Suzuki capable of letting his science do the talking rather than his condescending, paternalistic, I'm smart and your not kind of talk? I can see why you like his style. Yours is much the same. It is the same style that dismisses an opposing opinion before it is even heard. It is the style that would love a real debate providing there was no one arguing on the other side.

Issues usually have more than one side or aspect to consider. For you there is no other side. It is game - set - match with no referee. As long as the Suzuki's and albatros' of the world continue like they do, we who value a thorough search for truth will continue to keep calling you for what you are - demigods.

You have this false belief that yours is the only truth. "feeding children false information is a completely different animal." "False information"! Really, Says who? Says you? Oh I forgot - you are after all omniscient. Who is anyone to challenge you? Well albatros - there are many brilliant scientists who directly challenge what you and the Suzuki's of the world are telling us. I note that the main difference between them and you is that they seriously question your conclusions while you say they are deliberately giving us false information. For you there is and never will be any debate.

I am scratching my balding pate as I try to understand why you and your ilk would attack Stephen Harper when in 13 months he and his government has done more to advance the environment agenda than the Liberals did in the previous 13 years. Can you begin to explain that to me? And I will bet that you and David will line up one behind the other to vote for your Liberal candidate in the next federal election. In fact, you might even vote early and vote often!
Give your freekin a head a big shake. Sheeeesh!!

Whether or not they agree with what he said, they came to hear Suzuki speak and he spoke.
About Harper doing anything for the environment, I answered you in a previous post above.
As far as global warming is concerned, I speak empirically on this subject, it's happening and it's measurable. Scientists around the world agree overwhelmingly global warming is human induced and as I said, Alberta has the most to lose from it.

albatros39a posted the following:

"But many other mechanisms are involved in climate change too, like volcanoes, continental drift, solar activity and even the occasional asteroid smacking into the earth."

As I mentioned before (but you conviently ignored):How many of these mecanisms have occured in this latest glacial recession: i.e. in the last 10,000 years?

"The problem this time is the rate at which the temperature is rising. It’s something that has not been seen before in the climatic record."

With this I totally disagree. Could you please provide some peer-reviewed citations that actually show data for the last 10,000 years that prove your statement. Or, are you referring to man's 180 years of recorded climatic record, as opposed to earth's 5 BILLION YEARS of climatic record?

"... it dies like we are seeing with the polar bear."

The polar bear is dying? With an increasing population over the last several decades, the polar bear is actually dying? Again, could you please provide a citation that actually uses properly collected and interpreted data that supports your claim.

"So even though there are other things that have caused climate change, the earth has never experienced man pumping his CO2 into the atmosphere."

What would be your good guess as to the amount of CO2 that was pumped into the atmosphere by Mother Nature during a large, sustained volcanic erruption? Where did that CO2 go, afterwards? Do you have ANY idea how much CO2 is *sequestered* in the carbonate rocks of the earth's crust? Any idea how it got there? In Fact, have you considered ANY of the geochemical aspects of the earth's past as they relate to your claims of today?

And from a later post:

"As far as global warming is concerned, I speak empirically on this subject, it's happening and it's measurable."

Of course it is. It has been going on for 10,000 years and three months! Now, how much of a *measured* EMPIRICAL record for that 10,000 years can you supply so that we can ascertain both cycles of flucuation and rapidity of change within that time frame.

"Scientists around the world agree overwhelmingly global warming is human induced..."

This is an out-and-out lie perpetuated by the media and the proponents of AGW and ACC. The agreement among scientists IS NOT overwhelming, and there is much more dissent amongst and within the scientific community than you or others are willing to acknowledge. Why don't you entertain a bunch of that dissent, and address those issues specifically, with real, verifiable data, instead of droning on with the presently acceptable PC mantra? If you are, as you claim, a soon-to-be scientist then you should understand how that applies, should you not?

a different Bob:

You said: "So albatros eh. Yoop is the guy I would pick to go to your school and present the other side of this issue."

Sorry. It won't happen. It is too easy to ask simple questions, to which they have no answers, either simple or complex. They cannot afford that exposure.

Yoop, at least most of us are quite willing to let him and his ilk have their say - which is quite different from what they would let us do. To them we are no more - no less than liars.

"Yoop, at least most of us are quite willing to let him and his ilk have their say - which is quite different from what they would let us do. To them we are no more - no less than liars."

Sooner, or later (and I'm betting later) the general population will come to the conclusion that the so-called scientists who have a closed mind and an agenda are more danger to their health and economic advancement than anything else they have to fear.

When that realization is finally achieved it will set the acceptance of real science back several decades.

I'm sure you note that none of them ever want to address where the big ice cube went.

"As I mentioned before (but you conviently ignored):How many of these mecanisms have occured in this latest glacial recession: i.e. in the last 10,000 years?"

No the answer is up there for you to see. You figure it out. For example, is it likely continental drift will affect climate change in 10000 years? No, so it's continental drift. Is it volcanoes? No, though volcanoes have affected the climate in the past few hundred years as in the Little Ice Age and the after effects of Mount Pinatubo, this time though it's not volcanoes. Any asteroids? No, nothing that big. Solar activity? Not enough to account for the climate change we are seeing.
I'll give you a hint. Think precession.

"Could you please provide some peer-reviewed citations that actually show data for the last 10,000 years that prove your statement."

Yes I could, there's plenty of publications dealing with paleoclimatology and if I get time I'll find a couple and post them.

"The polar bear is dying? With an increasing population over the last several decades, the polar bear is actually dying? Again, could you please provide a citation that actually uses properly collected and interpreted data that supports your claim."

Goodness man are you really that ill informed? Even George Bush has recognised what the polar Bear is going through right now and wants them on the endangered species list.

"This is an out-and-out lie perpetuated by the media and the proponents of AGW and ACC. The agreement among scientists IS NOT overwhelming, and there is much more dissent amongst and within the scientific community than you or others are willing to acknowledge. Why don't you entertain a bunch of that dissent, and address those issues specifically, with real, verifiable data, instead of droning on with the presently acceptable PC mantra? If you are, as you claim, a soon-to-be scientist then you should understand how that applies, should you not?"

It's overwhelming and you're in denial. I'm getting the sense you are employed in the oil patch.
http://www.ipcc.ch/

If you go to the Mirriam Webster dictionary and look up one of the definitions of the word "albatross" it reads " something that greatly hinders accomplishment". That pretty much puts into context for me. Yoop, if you want to continue with this bag of air, you go right ahead. I've got better things to do with the rest of my life.