let me get this calculation right for every 5 degrees we get 2 more children. so with a half degree per century we will get .005 degrees per year or 0.01 extra kid per night/per year,

as an old rig hand used to tell me, I think that would be within the "margarine of error".

would be worth a gubmint grant or two.

When your 'issue' is warming, you just got to go 'global' Kate?

Watch out for those nappy fires! Keep your extinguisher handy.

Of course if you want to accelerate 'global warming' a few nukes will get you there quicker.

Rational 'madness' coming to your home soon.

Oh and BTW, CHEERS :)

So, Helen Lovejoy has become the Mother Sheehan of climate change.

so as the world continues to cool, which is what is actually happening right now and fewer children will be admitted to hospitals, we can save megatonnes of money by shutting down unnecessary wards and needing excess nurses & doctors.

Cool !! Maybe my taxes wil go down enough so I can afford a new Hummer

Don't confuse journalistic sensationalism with science.

Put this one down with The Knights of Nix
"I'm a lumberjack" and the Angus Podborney and the giant blancmanges consuming Englishmen so that a Scotsman could finally win Wimbledon [apologies to Andy Murray]
It was a Python skit right?

I think alot more kids are going to be suffering here is why

When the really hot summer days come, you know like the ones we get all the time, normal temperatures? Remember those? Plus 30 celcius, well we are all gonna let little Johnny and Susie bake(as well as ol grandma) becouse we are all going "green"

So here I am, sweating with no AC, with no more right guard because the scent might offend someone,sitting in the dark not spending any money on gas, to go somewhere like a movie or eating out. Or in any way else contributing to the entertainment economy.

Nor am I watching TV creating any sort of advertising revenue for sponsers.

Cannot read the newspaper or a magazine That cost energy so I will not contribut to that.(well it was dark remember)

Can't go online anymore because my monitor uses power and I need to use, what was that 75% less than in 1990?

I can't go to the local park anymore, what with the dandylions and the skeeters(as well as the punks but that is a topic for another day)

Cannot drink beer anymore because well, the carbon cost of growing, brewing, transporting and keeping it cold is just too much to justify(but ya know...I see lots of bottled water...who do you think drinks that stuff?)

I sold-no wait I still have it, the govt just made it illigal-my boat, but can't use it either. Too much wasted carbon.

My point is, follow what Kyoto is supposed to be and we will all be in the dark and you can't do ANYTHING anymore! It will send a kid in Australia to the hospital!

So when we went to the Carribean to work and the year round temperature changed from the variable temps of Canada to, like 83 almost every day, our daughter should have had more fevers? Funny how we didn't notice that.

"Cannot drink beer anymore because well, the carbon cost of growing, brewing, transporting and keeping it cold is just too much to justify(but ya know...I see lots of bottled water...who do you think drinks that stuff?)"

OMFG!!!! CO2 is used to carbonate beer! What the hell are we going to replace our beer with when it goes the way of the Dodo because of the Kyoto carbon tax that's going to be applied to it!!!!

New conspiracy theory: Wine snobs are behind the implementation of Kyoto to rid the world of our lovely beer. Bastards!

Warning to Australian Liberals who fear for their children over-heating due to global warming.

If you note that in Equatorial Africa where they have had ultra warm weather dating back to prehistoric times ... their children all appear to be burnt completely black.

Is that crazy enough for ya?

Ask Al Gore about this phenomenon ... he knows everything for sure.

fond childhood memories:

coming home after a saturday all day on the toboggan slope, thumbs so cold they had no feeling or movement.

I learned after about 4 or 5 times to NOT put my hands on the full blast of hot air from the huge air duct right over the converted gas furnace in order to prevent what ma told me was chill blanes (sp), an itchy uncomfortable sensation from the sudden temp change.

the next time it happened was when I was in to scuba diving and would come up out of 50 degree water into the hot beach sand and sun and get red splotches all over my legs.

so it would seem in the area of climate change Im all set !!!

This is slightly off topic but is relevant to Kyoto. Fast Eddie Goldenberg, as reported at Macleans site, has explained how Canada came to give its Kyoto commitment in the first place.

"I believe that the signing of the Kyoto accord in the face of vigorous opposition served to galvanize public opinion to bring it to where it is today in Canada," said Goldenberg, who served as Chrétien's chief of staff in 2003. "In the long run, that will be far more important than whether we can meet all the short term deadlines in the accord.">>

The punch line:

A longer-term study was needed add strength to the findings, Dr Lam said.

On a related note...

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Simple solution to the problem. In future, upon receiving a paycheque, note the after tax amount. Write a cheque in that amount payable to the order of The People's Republic of China, in care of Liberal Party of Canada.

This is guaranteed to lower the global temperature.

No animals were harmed during the preparation of this comment. Thank you.

First, blame everything on global warming. It's far easier than having to think about stuff.

Then make a lot of noise to try to make someone else change their evil ways, whether or not you have evidence that they were a problem in the first place or that changing will make any difference.

Problem solved.

can we get this person an honorary membership in the Liberal party / DavidSuzuki.org / greenpeace / mo strong chinese car company?

CO2 is used to carbonate beer!

Actually, the end results of yeast beasties eating sugar are C02 and alcohol.

A well-made beer is therefore naturally carbonated with C02.

A Molson or Labatt "product," on the other hand, has to be artificially pumped full of C02 because they spend far more on advertising than on their widget.

Who would believe there is so many people in the scientific field that have very little or no reason.(brains). I guess a degree means you passed the test, it doen't mean you are smart. Most of these studies start with the answer they want. Sad but it must be true.

Note to Reid on beer and wine. CO2 is a natural product of fermentation for beer and wine. Wineries vent to the atmosphere as it is fermenting. Breweries capture the CO2 and reinject into the beer before it is bottled. The CO2 is released when you belch. (Or beer farts too).

No Reid, wine is made by fermentation too. The natural results of fermentation is roughly equal amounts of alcohols and CO2.

All alcohols are made in this fashion be they beers, wines, or spirits.

Sorry but it's obviously the non-drinker crowd who are pushing Kyoto.

Cheers,
lance

"It really demonstrates the urgent need for a more thorough investigation into how exactly climate change will affect health in childhood."

Yes, and I'm just the guy to conduct that study. I have several children, I know several people who have children, I once was a children, and I'm a whiz at reading a thermometer, digital or mercury.

My bid is 50 million, cheap at twice the price.

Yep;the greenies have been on a bit of a downslide these last few weeks:That being after their last big juggernault campaign worldwide that got everyone off their Wheaties and on to Tums.
Not to want to let such good hype go to waste or for Joe or Martha Citizen to come to their senses and say "Hey wait a minute,are you pulling my leg...Greenland was a Club Med destination at one time before cars,wasn't it?"....the environmental doomsayers are gonna drive their point home wiyh the most holy of holies scare tactic (drum roll please)...OUR KIDS!!

Now don't waste a second folks...Urgency is required .
Just send a cheque or MO now to the address at the bottom of your screen or better yet phone this 1-800 number and arrange for timely deductions drawn weekly on your paycheck.

Remember you to can have peace of mind knowing that you've helped a child.

Note to self:

I recently had to pay $3000 to have my dog's toe amputated because of a squamous carcinoma in the nail bed.

Although the procedure served to resolve that pesky "excess disposal income problem" I was experiencing, I attributed it to happenstance, fluke or just a roll of the dice.

With Kate having posted the topic material I now know the truth...my dog's problem was directly attributable to Global Warming.

Who knew?

disposal = disposable

Kate, don't you know that you are totally insane? I mean insanely funny!
Now here's where I think we're headed with this. We all have "ecological footprints", right? So we must use less energy, right? So the smaller the footprint the better, right? So why not all just kill ourselves, right? Or better yet, why not all kill as many others as we can on the way out, right?
IT'S ALL INSANITY

Another drop kick for science through the goal posts of crazy.

Gawd, Kate, I hope that you're keeping this stuff for an anthology.

In April 2006 the price ton of CO2 emissions was 30 euro (European Union Emission Trading Scheme ... EU ETS). Now it's €0.85.

The solution to the baby combustion issue is easy and cheap - just buy a carbon credit ... if your real paranoid by two. Makes a nice present (baby shower, birthday, Christmas ... etc). Watch their eyes light up when they see that piece of paper that saved their life.

http://www.euets.com

er ... make that - "buy two"

Okay I feel so much better now. Apparently I can pay a small fee (co-incidentally to an Australian company) in order to save the world from my cat's flatulence, and also a modest fee to make granny "carbon neutral".

Whew....saving an entire planet can feel sooo rewarding.

click here for link

The Champ rushes his serious ill and feverish son to the Emergency Ward.
After an endless wait Dr.Lawrence Lam, a pediatrics specialist emerges from the examination room.

Champ: Doc can you tell me what’s wrong with my boy?

Dr. Lam: Yes I can Champ. His fever is caused by Global Warming.

Champ: I said pardon me?

Dr. Lam: Your sons fever is caused by Global Warming.

Champ: Well I just lost it! I snap, I head fake him with a bed pan and the moron goes for it, then an upper cut and a flurry to the solar plexus. Straight right to the jaw and he's out.
How's that for “His fever is caused by Global Warming for ya? “

I love this blog....

so what your saying is, I can have my beer in post Kyoto, all I got to do is buy carbon credits?

Or just not burp or fart?

Cool

dmorris,with your well documented qualifications above,I now trust you more than Suzuki...you are my new Global warming GOD !!!
Catch the article on CNEWS Science page..Suzuki Blasts PM Over Global Warming..and guess who he's speaking to??
Article states:EnviroMENTAList David Suzuki savaged PMSH over global warming in front of a gymnasium full of elementary school students and their parents on Friday.
Later,he furiously lashed out at Albertans,calling rapid development of the oilsands "insanity",and a "disaster"
Suzuki,who was invited to speak at Altadore school,and accept $835.collected by students for his foundation asked THE KIDS,what Harper's main priority was after being elected last year.
"The only thing he cares about is getting re-elected with a majority government" he said,adding any of the PM's pledges to preserve the environment are cynical ploys to that end.
"I don't believe there is a green bone in Harper's body-he has never,ever indicated he cares about the environment"
He then told the room,some of his message was directed at the adults,because"kids don't vote",and Harper and other politicians DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM !!!!!!!!!"
This was a group of kids from KINDERGARTEN -Gr.6!!!There's more to article,but I have to go projectile vomit now! Way to scare the kiddies,you half-wit!There's a bus leaving town in half hour....be under it!

oh yeah,forgot to mention..article also said Suzuki was "clearly agitated" as his hopes of an environmental change of heart under Stelmach have been dashed!

It truly defies the imagination the length to which charlatans will tag themselves to the “Global Warming” hoax in order to get their pathetic papers in print. All in the hope that the government money spigots will open in their direction. While the proponents of the crumbling theory of man made climate cry for opponents to be striped of credentials, this blatant attempt to abuse is the real reason why some who claim to be scientists should be subject to scrutiny.
ME

But David Suzuki wants to take us back a few centuries and live off the land like happy little peasants, while he and Al Gore travel the world in luxury.

Happy little peasants don't produce greenhouse gases because they rely on firewood for fuel, burn garbage, clear forests to grow poorly fertilized crops and drive around on carts pulled by belching oxen. But they meet Kyoto targets.

john @ 5:12: I'm still laughing about Global Warming and African kids!

Good thing I'm not a greenie or I'd have actually believed you.

Happy little peasants don't build jets or air traffic control systems or satellite networks. I'm not exactly sure if Suzuki has really thought this through. When the lights go out, the toilet won't flush and his bigscreen TV becomes an expensive piece of modern art how or where will he pontificate.

The story says the temp is rising and children are dying. So the inbred knuckle-walking cons come out to cheer each other on over their denial of the environmental facts, and exchange a self-congratulatory pat on the ass for excessive ignorance and stupidity. They remain clueless to the mechanisms of global warming and find comfort in groups that belittle the scientists that bring news that they find disagreeable to their uninformed biases.
Let’s face it, dead children are ok for cons as long as the oil continues to flow. How odd that American cons hold the same ideology in Iraq; so long as the oil flows, what are a few dead foreign children.
The fumes from the tar sands must be getting to what’s left of their con brains.

http://www.liberal.ca:80/players/player_e.aspx?id=84

How much did your parents pay for that education, Albatros?

Albatros just proved a point that I have tried to make for years. The most effective weapon against smug, overbearing, semi-educated global warming enthusiasts is good old-fashioned ridicule. The potential results of their lunacy aren't a bit amusing but, as individuals they're funny as hell so, sock it to them.

Hey Albatross, what did you do today to stop killing children in Australia?

Thank you Kate for not deleting Albatros, I haven't laughed that hard in a while. What an idiot!!

What a pathetic little mommys boy you must be albatros, never left the house and started a business or what causes your hatred of progress and those who create wealth. How many people do you employ, are there many that depend on you for a living, have you ever risked any CAPITAL, {scared you} on anything other than mad magazine and millie vanilli cd's. Clowns like you can post all you want, Canada is full of little justins who have never created any wealth just like yourself. Crawl out of mommys basement and get a job there is hope, I started with nothing, am now worth 3m + so get up poopsie get mommy to zip up your parka and get at it. Get er done boy and when you have a pocket full of money you will be a lot happier person. No body works for a poor man , try not to be that man.

jeff. A bit of advice for ya buddy.Burping is optional "BUT" farting is a must. If one does not release "the gas" it forms little bubbles in the blood stream , flows through the system and stops behind the eyes. The result is a shitty outlook on life, which might be albatros's problem. Come-on albatros let one or two good ones go.

What I find morbidly amusing is that folks like Albatros39a, who refer to us as knuckle-draggers, are most likely Bachelor of Arts grads...whereas us "knuckle-draggers" are Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Applied Science graduates (myself, Vitruvius, Yoop, etc....sorry, I can't remember the rest of the SDA commenter's qualifications, but there's more).

Too funny! People who graduated having learned "basket-weaving" are calling engineers, university professors and scientists "knuckle-draggers"!

Hmmmmm....so climate changes causes sick babies and more babies cause climate change.

Because when you get right down to it climate hysterics hold human activity to be the evil in the world...the more people the more evil.

Maybe its the poopy diaper increase in GHG whats doin' it mate ;-)

And this weeks tinfoil hat award goes, again, to the junk science community for concocting another incredibly thin and hysterical hypothesis to scare the cash out of our pockets. ;-)

Here's my two cents worth. For the albatross' sake - I have a B.Sc. Degree and I am currently working on my B. Ed. after degree in order to become a high school biology teacher. I thus have had an excuse to research global warming so that I can be informed for my future students' sake. I will spare the details, but have come to this conclusion. Anyone that beleives that the science of APW has been settled is either misinformed or is deliberately lying in order to advance a political agenda.

btw - Something I never thought of before: Why are the ice caps on Mars shrinking? (It turns out that they are mostly water ice not dry ice.) Are humans on Mars burning fossil fuels? No. This is more evidence that it is the solar radiation that drives global (Earth and Mars) temps, not so much CO2. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/07aug_southpole.htm

albatros sounds like a poster boy for the public school system: the mushier brained the children become, the more the establishment blathers on about teaching "critical thinking skills".

And what good are such skills in this closed system, when the only ideas allowed are decreed by our politically correct overlords and enforced by their jackboots? albatros fits right in with these delusional hypocrites: he actually believes that his minuscule, biased opinions are valid. What a dupe! And thank goodness, there are places like sda, where critical thinkers may actually engage in critical thinking!

As for albatros's smarmy little ad hominem, I earned a B.A. when it actually counted--no basket weaving or film courses in those days!

Kate said: "How much did your parents pay for that education, Albatros?"

ROTFLMAO :-()

What ever the cost it was a waste. I didn't know the new arts degrees had "narcissism 101-102-103" ;-)

Ok,ok stop feeding the trolls!

Lookout: For the record, the smarmy little ad hominem about BA degrees was mine, not Albatros'. No offense was intended to BA grads in general...just those who preach to others about things that they have no educational background in.

How much HOT AIR is produced daily by big goverment politicians like AL GORE? what kind of tommy rot is this egghead trying to prove?

Kate said- “How much did your parents pay for that education, Albatros?”
They paid nothing, it’s all my own money that’s paying for my education. One thing that’s painfully obvious, it’s far more than was paid on your education.

randall g said- “Hey Albatross, what did you do today to stop killing children in Australia?”

Along with my day to day activities that reduce my and my family’s carbon footprint, I spread the word about global warming.

bartinsky said “What a pathetic little mommys boy you must be albatros, never left the house and started a business or what causes your hatred of progress and those who create wealth. How many people do you employ, are there many that depend on you for a living, have you ever risked any CAPITAL, {scared you} on anything other than mad magazine and millie vanilli cd's. Clowns like you can post all you want, Canada is full of little justins who have never created any wealth just like yourself. Crawl out of mommys basement and get a job there is hope, I started with nothing, am now worth 3m + so get up poopsie get mommy to zip up your parka and get at it. Get er done boy and when you have a pocket full of money you will be a lot happier person. No body works for a poor man , try not to be that man.”

Wow 3 million and never used a spell checker. No you are correct, I've never made 3 million and nobody works for me. My wealth only amounts to around 1.2 mill because I was too busy protecting your ass while I was in the Air Force for 25 years. But then again, wealth doesn’t mean wisdom does it.

Eeyore said- “What I find morbidly amusing is that folks like Albatros39a, who refer to us as knuckle-draggers, are most likely Bachelor of Arts grads...whereas us "knuckle-draggers" are Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Applied Science graduates (myself, Vitruvius, Yoop, etc....sorry, I can't remember the rest of the SDA commenter's qualifications, but there's more).
Too funny! People who graduated having learned "basket-weaving" are calling engineers, university professors and scientists "knuckle-draggers"!”

Hey, you’re a B.Sc, that is interesting. I’m afraid you should have taken a few more arts courses because you might have been able to comprehend the English language a bit better. I said, “knuckle-walking” and not “knuckle-draggers, there’s a big difference.

Eric said- “Here's my two cents worth. For the albatross' sake - I have a B.Sc. Degree and I am currently working on my B. Ed. after degree in order to become a high school biology teacher. I thus have had an excuse to research global warming so that I can be informed for my future students' sake. I will spare the details, but have come to this conclusion. Anyone that beleives that the science of APW has been settled is either misinformed or is deliberately lying in order to advance a political agenda.
btw - Something I never thought of before: Why are the ice caps on Mars shrinking? (It turns out that they are mostly water ice not dry ice.) Are humans on Mars burning fossil fuels? No. This is more evidence that it is the solar radiation that drives global (Earth and Mars) temps, not so much CO2.”

Simply fascinating Eric, a B.Sc. in what, biology? Funny thing I’ve had an excuse to study global warming too, because I’m a fourth year undergrad in; can you guess? It’s in environmental science! Oh and some thought it was an arts degree didn’t you. Sorry, wrong Eeyore, WL Mackenzie Redux, and lookout, not this time, no cigar for you.
Now about those shrinking ice caps on Mars. Are you referring to the articles published by “James M. Taylor”? The same James M. Taylor the works for The Heartland Institute? The same Heartland Institute that gets it’s funding from the Philip Morris tobacco company and fights for smokers rights? Oh yes and what was that other company they get a lot of their funding from? Oh that’s right, it’s Exxon Mobile, isn’t it?
Heartland Institute includes Walter F. Buchholtz, a lobbyist for Exxon Mobil and Thomas Walton, an executive of General Motors Corporation.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41#src8

Oh yes, that link from NASA http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/07aug_southpole.htm
Oh that is fascinating too. You should try reading it Eric. The whole thing this time.

"So the smaller the footprint the better, right? So why not all just kill ourselves, right? Or better yet, why not all kill as many others as we can on the way out, right?
IT'S ALL INSANITY

Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2007 8:34 PM"

So the suicide/homicide jihadi bombers are merely Gaia worshippers ahead of their time!

Who would have thought?

Hey, they've already begun.

Cooling The Planet, One Person At A Time

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/001141.html

"Oh yes, that link from NASA http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/07aug_southpole.htm
Oh that is fascinating too. You should try reading it Eric. The whole thing this time.

Posted by: albatros39a at February 24, 2007 7:01 PM"

albatros39a,

Taylor wasn't refering to *annual* changes in the polar caps, but a trend of *cumulative* changes in the polar caps, and what that might suggest. Never short stop your research, just because you think you have found the support for your position and thusly need look no further.

From NASA:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html

"And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress."

If the pedigrees of benefactors are to be questioned, such as you have done in the case of The Heartland Institute, I would guess the pedigrees of the benefactors supporting the various pro-AGW groups should also be examined. Want to guess where some of the pro-AGW scientists (and in this case I use the descriptive scientist with reluctance) are getting their funding.

BTW, I simply must ask: What IS that thing hanging around your neck?

An open question to albatros39a:

Since you should be up to a direct scientific question, by your own claim ("because I’m a fourth year undergrad in; can you guess? It’s in environmental science") I have a question you might attempt to address.

I have asked this question of a number of scientists, and pseudo-scientists, who are unequivocally in support of the theory of AGW, or ACC. I always get an abrupt change of subject, or an all-of-a-sudden need for them to see someone they just spotted on the other side of the room.

So, what do YOU think. Approximately 10,000 years ago the northern part of the North American continent was covered by an ice sheet that, in places, was over two miles thick, and which had a southern edge that extended south of the Great Lakes region. It was so thick, massive and extensive that it caused the crust to *sink* in that area. The crust in the Great Lakes region is still, to this date, rebounding from that massive weight.

At that time (approx. 10,000 ya) there was very little population by man, very little burning of fossil fuels, no industrialization, and no evidence of any massive disruptions of a geological nature (i.e. Deccan or Columbia sized plateau basalt eruptions, or massive bolide collisions).

So, what changed at that time (circa 10,000 +/- years ago) that would have warmed the climate and caused the melting of such a large ice mass, and it's retreat back to the polar region? A retreat, btw, that continues today.

You know... just askin'.

Bob, Suzuki was invited in to give a talk, not a debate, and the parents came to listen to him talk. He gave them what they came for.
Debate is one thing, but purposely feeding children false information is completely different animal.

Yoop, the answer to that question was posted here. http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/005638.html

Any climatologist or environmental scientist would have been able to answer that before you could have finished the question. I'd say that you asked the wrong "scientist".