Let's remember that Gen Hillier was appointed CDS by the Liberals - on February 4th, 2005.

So the Libs appoint Tory stooges to Deputy Minister level positions? If only ....

...i vote - gong show.

Kate: "Is Stephane Dion running a party, or a or a gong show?"

The military has a word for what Dijon is "running"... The CAF refer to it as a "Cluster FXXk"

Perhaps Hillier can confirm this ;-)

...actually maybe i vote for the Liberals as

- Hogan's Hero's.

"I see nothing, hear nothing, KNOW nothing."

well, I can say for a fact that the rot started the day turdeau became PM...the military was the librano/moonbat/dipper whipping boy from that point on....it would not be a stretch to say that the idiot libranos are directly responsible for the deaths of over 100 service personell due to shit ass equipment purchases....the libranos talk the peace-keeping talk, but they walk the chickenshit walk

The military were never deprived of finances, how dare Gen Hillier.
Besides, whats wrong with green cams in the desert?

before any of you idiot liberals attack me, my brothers and I did over 50 years service, including tours in the Golan, Cyprus, Somailia, NATO, 3 tours in Alert, North Atlantic Navy, etc, etc, etc....so I know exactly what I am talking about

yup, Gong show.

Coderre is outraged! He says the Lieberals "Proposed Billions for the Armed Forces". This is a true statement. They "Proposed Billions" but they didn't deliver. This is the norm for these folks. The same Lieberals signed Kyoto, and "proposed" to meet its commitments. They "Proposed" to kill the GST, they didn't do that either. Of course they also "Proposed" to pull out of the free trade deal with the USA, but they couldn't get around to it.

Leberal proposals do not buy anything other than moonbat votes.

The one thing the Lieberals did do right is taking on Gen Hillier. He is too smart and tough for the Lieberals and they are catching it in the teeth as a result. Looks good on them doesn't it?

Lived through it, don't need Codsrear to remind me.

Glad to see Gen H hasn't changed since he was my CO... The man likes the truth, plainly spoken.

Which automatically eliminates the possibility of him being a liberal "prop".

Coderre must have a twin brother. One man can't look that greasy!!!

"The military has a word for what Dijon is "running"... The CAF refer to it as a "Cluster FXXk"

Perhaps Hillier can confirm this ;-)
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux "

I believe the correct Cdn Army terminology is GCF

Group Cluster Fxxk

Closely related to SNAFU, usually caused by REMF's

No doubt it's a Gong Show going on. One look at that stupid little puffed up prick, Coderre tells it all.
The Liberals gutted the Military, it's a well known fact. Hypocritical Liberals like Coderre just don't recognize truth, it's a foreign concept.

Hillier is the best Chief of Staff our Military has had in memory. Telling it like it is in plain English/French is what you get from him and if that disappoints the likes of Coderre and company, tough!
Down with Jackasses.

Kingstonlad I don't think you go back far enough. Deffinbaker started the rot. Pearson through Hellyard took the pride away. Trudeau excellerated it. As x RCN I lived through Pearson, didn't survive Trudeau's reign of terror

Help me out here, Is Coderre the guy that Marches with the Hezbolah?

he is a video of the insipid lying puke that was general under the liberals.picked out of CBCpravdas own archives.

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-723-4320/conflict_war/somalia/clip10

sorry hit the button too fast.

He is General Jean Boyle- not fit to carry Hillier jockstrap.

and yes Coderre is the Hezbolah march man.

I remember a news photo Frank mag used on its cover during the chretien era - Da boss was on a tank, military helmet on backwards. Caption was:

"Oh, dis beeskeeping is givin' me an 'eadache!"

thanks Cal2 :
So we now know liberals favour lax terrorism laws, march with outlawed groups, Hate the military as we have always known but just confirms, This Socialist Liberal piece of crap should be gratefull for what he has in canada & gratefull for our forces who have had to endure the shit pieces of equipment the socialist gave them.

tony...you have a little more time in than me on the planet...I can only reference what my brothers and I lived through....turdeau hell

I was there to kingstonlad, the liberanos ALL belong on the end of a rope

I wonder when Borat Dion is going to put the gag order out on the rabble.

"I haf to speek for de party as too manny of the MPs know not what they say, uz canadien pipples must 'ave been control by uz de guvern mint an listen what I say not to dez minister what say de bad sings"

I have already e-mailed my buddies current serving(inc. my son-inlaw)& ret.
Iam sending a e-mail to my MP Larry Miller Cons. demanding an apology in the House from that Socialist piece of Hezzbolah loving Turd.
Flood your MP's Demanding an apology

Coderre isn't too politically savvy by any means. That's alright, he's exposing his party for what it is.

http://splatto.net/blog/?p=443

Kingstonlad,

You walk the walk, best post of the day.

Hey Elvis Coderre: don't forget to bring yourself and yours sideburns to the Elvis festival in Collingwood, usually the third weekend of July. Some of the guys may be willing to come up from Borden to check you out!

Cretin and Mo Strong in China trying to make Cretin a billionaire trading with the communist party while trying to destroy the Canadian auto industry over here via Kyoto.

Started with the Tri-Service and went downhill from there. Seems to me that all we have to do it put CDS General Hillier and Coderre in the same room for a few minutes and it's solved.

Although Joan's invite to Collingwood with a side trip from some of the folks at Borden sounds pretty good.

And the results at 12:56 p.m. West Coast Time is that Kingston Lad is in the lead for best post of the day.

Great stuff!! Nice to see more people willing to support our Military.

Regards,
Pat

A man with balls, EGADS that concept scares the mascara of these girly-men known as lieberals. Rick Hillier walks tall and calls a spade a spade, we would be proud if Alberta could claim him, he can't be from Ontario or Quebec, too much of a man, don't know what province he's from but its gotta be on of the few where parents teach their kids lying is wrong. That's another scary concept to lieberals like codpeice denny.

"Coderre defended the party's legacy, saying that the Liberals under Paul Martin proposed adding billions to the defence budget."

The road to oblivion is paved with good intentions like proposed billons for defence...child daycare, kyoto, etc. etc.
Thank goodness Martin and his moonbats were ditherers or they would have sunk us further than they did.

All of us, past and present Military know that we were a necessary evil to Trudeau and Cretian. We were like kids, seen, but not heard. Only when the Liberals needed a diversion and a chance to show the world that Canada was a player in the world would they call us out and send us to all the shit holes in the world so that the Government could pound its chest and say how great Canada was. The rest of the time it was crap. Most in the Military knew we were in trouble the day Cretin was elected. Helicopters were gone in a heartbeat. 14 years later and still waiting. The CDS at the time wanted the Helos and said so. What happened to him. He retired and the retired CDS was brought out of retirement and given the job. 93 convinced me that come or high water I would never vote Liberal. I've even considered NDP except for Layton. Too bad Peter Stopher and Alexa support that clown. For Military support they are next to no one. At least Harper had the guts to face the troops in Afghanistan and show that he cared. How often did Cretin or Martin go?

Second your comments Don, but the same back in the late '70s and early '80s. I love the Lib's thinking: "We're the open minded, internationalist, globe-trotting, sophisticates for making your lives hell, you're the evil, narrow-minded, mean-spirited, churl for pointing it out."

Denis Coderre should step down as the Liberal defence critic.

Denis Coderre forgets that Canada has had back-to-back mega surplus's, starting in 1997!

Denis Coderre should go talk to our regular men and women in uniform. Or they just an inconvenient truth for him?

Go Hillier! My family members, who are currently serving in the military, really appreciate this gentleman.

I wonder why there is not much noise about another atrocity that the libranos have introduced: the anti-money laundering legislation. The financial institutions must report wide range of customers activity to the federal government according to the AML law. The suspicious activities include almost all transactions with cash and many with money orders... Suspicious is when a person has more than one bank account and more than one insurance policy... The finance industry is crazy about AML, guess the sanctions are severe. Still not much coverage about that invasion in privacy. Essentially, the banks, insurance companies etc. are supposed to report everything that falls within the definition of suspicious activity regardless of any privacy policies and of course without a warrant. Paul Martin's baby monster.

Bartinsky:

Rick Hillier was born, raised and educated in Newfoundland...personally, I always found Newfies to be quite staight-shooters...

*throws a "r" up to previous post*

Codere: the Liberals had A PLAN for Billions
He should have stated the truth, Had NO Plan, No Plan, No Plan, No Plan, Just More Empty Rhetoric.

"Regi Patriaeque Fidelis"

General R.J. Hillier, C.M.M., M.S.C., C.D
Chief of the Defence Staff
General R.J. Hillier, CMM, CD

Born in Newfoundland and Labrador,

General Rick Hillier joined the Canadian Forces as soon as he could. Having enrolled in 1973, he graduated from Memorial University of Newfoundland in 1975 with a Bachelor of Science Degree. After completing his armour officer classification training, he joined his first regiment, the 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's) in Petawawa, Ontario. ...-
http://www.cds.forces.gc.ca/pubs/bio_e.asp

kingstonlad, tony, Free, and Don. (If I have missed anyone formerly in the Service, my apologies) Although I can't speak for the rest of the people I have enjoyed having dialogue with on sda,( and I bet the majority of them agree with me), we all owe you guys a debt of gratitude for your service and unselfish commitment to Canada you certainly have my respect and admiration. Thanks for your insight.
God Bless!
Jim in Calgary

Aaron:

The legislation that you are referring to is an extension of the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act that was enacted in 1991, under the Mulrooney government. I know that because I helped to write it and shepherded it through the legislative process. The amendedments that came in a few years ago had wide support among all parties. If you had comprehensive knowledge of how wide-spread the money laundering problem was (and is) in Canada and the protection (for privacy of innocent people) in the current laws, I truly believe you would not have posted as you did.

I probably view things from a bit different perspective. No idea what your background as 'helper to write' that legislation was. I was intimately involved in actual enforcement of AML with its recent post-911 changes. It is absolutely clear that there are absolutely no safeguards for privacy of innocent people as you call it. In democratic society police must apply for a search warrant before it can seize the financial information of a person - under the AML your bank will pass information to the task force as soon as their automated system will select your name based on the criteria, defined by the task force and the bank's computer programmer's understanding of the AML requirements.

Speaking of 'washed' money, Bruce, I hear a lot of squawking about the new legislation regarding not refunding GST to foreign visitors. Probably billions were washed through the border as multi family groups with duel passports bought cars, boats, airplanes, gold...What a whopping big loophole that was - Mo money for the Mole Mo tse strong.
I agree with the above poster that Codare is better off staying away from 'scary' soldiers . He should stay with the cowardly terrorists and over 60 women. The soldiers would feel ill for days after a visit from that kind of filth - at this point, I think he should just stay away as a apology would be meaningless and revolting. He should not be in parliament but since he is he should be given no job and no pay.

Dion.....oh my goodness

Gotta say Staphane has definitely done this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE

what a joke

The fact that Coderre is defence critic shows the Liberal attitudes towards the military. Jack Granatstein, in his book, "Who Killed the Canadian Military?" says we all did it. Yes, mistakes were made by Diefenbaker, but let's face it, Trudeau civilianized the military chain of command, bought us obsolete equipment and cared more for votes than capability. Chretien cancelled the EH-101 contract, bought the civilian variant, the Cormorant, for search and rescue (unbelievable, ever wonder why they have rust problems right now?), took a $20,000 utility vehicle, let Bombardier assemble it at five times the cost of the actual vehicle, shut down two military colleges without consulting anyone and relying of dated figures, and ... well, you get the picture. Good to see soldiers like Hillier being blunt - we need more of that rather than yes men.

Aaron:

Since the judgment in the Tournier case in 1924, banks and other financial institutions have been able to trump their "privacy" contract with customers and disclose information about suspicious activities to the authorities. The specific instances that allowed banks to disclose otherwise private information were set out in the judgment as follows:

Where the bank is compelled by law to disclose the information
If the bank has a public duty to disclose the information
If the bank’s own interests require disclosure; and
Where the customer has agreed to the information being disclosed.

Since the 1970s, it was commmonly held that a bank disclosing information concerning transactions that were suspected to involve money laundering was in accordance with two of those four, the bank's own interest and the public interest.

The need for the 1991 law was due to the less than level playing field in the financial industry. The big banks in Canada routinely disclosed suspicious activity to the RCMP. Smaller institutions, especially the Schedule 'B" banks, rarely did. That led to some bizarre inequalities, for example: a branch of Credit Suisse in Vancouver was quite prepared to accept 16 banker boxes containing US $7 million from a "new" customer, and were only forced to decline the deposit when their corrrespondent bank (one of the big five) declined to accept the cash without information as to its origins (it was in fact drug money). Another "B" bank in Montreal was routinely accepting hockey bags full of cash from the Montreal mob...they accepted $44 million in deposits over the course of a year.

All of the "suspicious reporting" provisions were enacted in 1991. What changed with the amendments under the Liberals was the creation of FINTRAC and bringing in a requirement for mandatory reporting of cash and certain other transaction over the $10,000 limit, and including terrorism within the ambit of the reporting law.

Banks are still permitted to disclose information directly to the RCMP and many still do. FINTRAC can release information to the police, without warrant, if the police can demonstrate to FINTRAC that the person involved is involved in criminal activity or terrorism.

I have no fondness for the Liberal party, but if your objection is about the "erosion of privacy" issue, you are barking up the wrong tree in this case...

"...No idea what your background as 'helper to write' that legislation was..."

I was the Officer in Charge of the RCMP Proceeds of Crime program...

tomax7 has the right idea - definitely Hogan's Heroes. The trouble is, too many people are going after the role of Sergeant Schultz. Who would you say is Colonal Klink?

Susan Delacourt's comments, while on with Don Newman today, on the media panel discussion regarding General Hillier's recent comments:

" ...I don't want to go too far on this, for fear of walking out of here, but I do think that we have a disturbing thing going on here, or it feels like we do, with the RCMP. Whether it's...it's people who carry guns getting political and sidling up to the government.

I think it makes everyone a little bit nervous.

It makes me nervous..."

So, there we have it coming back...'people with guns in the street'....

Delacourt should be ashamed of herself for making that implication. That woman is implying that Conservative minded people are running around with guns and might shoot people of Liberal bent like her and her ilk. She owes an apology and it should be demanded TODAY. That is outrageous to say the least.
Question is who is going to demand the apology?
Certainly not her employer.

She's doing worst than that. Her comment about "sidling up" suggests that the military should remain at arms length from the control of a civilian government.

If Don Newman was any type of a good journalistic commentator, he would have called her up on it. She should have been asked to explain herself and apologize! But, we have our precious CBC, paid by our tax dollars, as the Liberal propaganda machine. They have lost any news reporting credibility!

I wrote him a letter:

Sir,

As a resident of a Peter Miliken’s riding I am familiar with the Liberal party. That in mind, I think you were out of line calling General Hillier a "prop". You have to remember that you can be voted into your job; many other jobs you can be hired for but the only way to make it to CDS it to be appointed after many years of military service. A General in the Canadian Army can only become a General by promotion through the ranks and many courses. These courses, not only cover military matters but international matters and policy development. To call a General a "prop" of the serving government is an insult to this man, and every other General in the Forces and the years they have spent in the service of Canada and the international community as a whole.

As we are bringing partisanship to the Army I will be sure to do my part. When Canadians stop me on the street to thank me for service I have done, I will be sure to tell them that if they really want to thank me to vote Conservative in the next election.

this opinions are mine and no way reflect the Canadian Military.

gawd I hate Liberals, liberal philosphy, liberal policies.

Vive la Revolution.

Hmmm,

Wonder why almost the entire complement of our soldiers vote Conservative while all the criminals in our jails vote Liberal.

Must be a causal relationship there...

"Regi Patriaeque Fidelis"

Faithful to King and Country

Maz2... Hussar?

Zip
Regi Patriaeque Fidelis
Audax et Celler
On Ne Passe Pas

Liberals have policies?

1. my brothers and I truly appreciate the thanks

2. the majority of weapons on the streets belong to criminals, and they all vote librano, especially since it was Milliken who lobbied so hard for the prisoners right to vote...so stick that up your ass delacourt, u socialist biotch

Susan Delacourt tonight on Politics said she was nervious about guy with guns ( Mounties & Army)getting close to politicans? Guns in the streets next?

what sane person, in this country, would make a statement like that...she makes it sound like we are Argentina or Venezuala, where you have whacked out tin pot's in wacky uniforms brutalising civilians....UNFRIGGINBELIEVABLE!!!

In a democracy, the military is not supposed to meddle in politics.

The Conservatives have to share the blame when it comes to screwing the military: Diefenbaker and Mulroney certainly did not improve things. And while Hillier may be happy that the army and airforce are getting lots of new stuff, we still haven't got the manpower in Afghanistan to accomplish what the government is asking.

As I mentioned on another thread, Codere's wife is trying for the liberal nomination in some riding.
I wish the cbc would have shown pics of him with the hezzie flag from last summer. He is just upset that because of the new emphasis on our military his terrorist friends will have a more difficult time taking over the world.
If that had been a conservative you can bet it would have been all over tv.
I was gone all day, so have lots to catch up on. I will say that I left my computer on, plus the lights on in my office. Was I bad.
And to top it off, my transportation was a big ford van. Mind you, there is no way we can get a w/chair in one of those hybrids. But, you should have seen my grandsons face when he saw his new manual chair, and his repaired power chair. Talked about how he traded in his chair for a new one, just like grandpa does his car. His mode of transportation does have zero emmissions.

Meddling in politics and speaking the truth are not one and the same.

I know I'm a little late to the conversation,but I also heard Delacort on Neuman,my mouth dropped!She said PM likes to be close to people with guns. On Duffy,Scott (beer&popcorn)Reid said Afghanistan was the Conservatives Viet Nam.Connection?

What were the liberals going to buy, more subs from great britain. I blame liberals for that sailors death.

We are perfectly aware that the Military has been neglected by successive governments since Zombie Trudeau,including Mulroney.
Hillier was not meddling in politics by speaking the truth. He's looking out for what's best for his men who we are asking to put their lives on the line. What the hell is so wrong with that aside from putting small buffoon Coderre into a hissy fit?

At any rate, I still can't get past what Susan Delacourt implied on Don Newman today. How can we ignore that? That's pure vengeance, journalism at it's lowest ebb.

"If Don Newman was any type of a good journalistic commentator, he would have called her up on it. She should have been asked to explain herself and apologize! But, we have our precious CBC, paid by our tax dollars, as the Liberal propaganda machine. They have lost any news reporting credibility!

Posted by: Catherine at February 16, 2007 6:58 PM"

Those self-absorbed, entitlement-minded, "celebrity" journalists that appear on cbcPravda have forgotten what reporting actually is. They blissfully continue the same liberal spin they've been parrotting for years, and rarely ask a challenging question that might actually be relevant to the story they are supposed to be covering.

Do they even realize how irrelevant they are becoming? If they weren't propped up by taxpayer subsidies, they would have been consigned to the outer darkness a long time ago. From today's NP:

"There are probably more Canadians who complain about CBC television than actually watch it.

The public network, which was already in ratings free fall before its month-long 2005 staff lockout, has seen its viewership numbers drop even faster since. On a typical evening, under 700,000 Canadians tune into the Ceeb for any part of prime time, down from about 900,000 prelockout and over 1.5 million a decade ago.

Ratings both for original CBC programming and programs bought from abroad are pathetic.

In 2005, when the network's mini-series Trudeau II: Maverick in the Making attracted an average of just 500,000 viewers per episode, CBC executives pronounced that unacceptable. The irony is, compared to the shows and documentaries CBC has aired since, Trudeau II was a mega-boffo, runaway, smash hit.

Last fall's mini-series on the FLQ crisis, October 1970, attracted an average of slightly more than 100,000 viewers. One episode brought in just 58,000. That is very likely the number of Canadian viewers who, at any one moment, have had the batteries in their remotes run out and are unable to change the channel until they can fetch replacements...

...If it weren't for Don Cherry on Saturday nights and Rick Mercer on Tuesdays, the network might actually have more employees than viewers."

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columnists/story.html?id=e72dd2b5-300b-4258-9c5f-653ab10987b2

Get on over to the g&m poll and vote
Did Rick Hillyer go overboard (or too far )
Yes 41%
No 59%
Lets get that up to 90% NO.

#1 Thank you to the military in this dysfunctional family called Canada. I have no idea how you proud men and women have kept your composure as long as you have, being sent out in helicopters that would be rejected for tours of Victoria Falls in Africa, Being sent to shitholes around the world with targets painted on your backs, thank you. I like so many other Canadians couldn't believe that the ontario/quebec morons kept voting in the money thieves, the lieberals. There was always lots of money for the military if these stinking thieves were not loading bank accounts all around the world with money that should go to the military/ RCMP/ anyone who could contribute and not feminist lesbo pigs and the lieberal fart bottlers like Kinsella/Reid etc. Thaank god we have a man with balls in power now and with a majority govt. just think how proud Canadians could be in the future.

Anyone watching lmotp. How many. Have heard nothing about it since the first episode.
Maybe codere could appear and apologize to the muzzies for our military killing terrorists.

The Prairies, the prairies, now where did I read something about Coderre and the Prairies, oh yeah, this was it -

July 2002- Small Minds in a Bigger World
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
]New Canadian Immigrants to be forced to live in boondocks shock.
Immigration Minister Denis Coderre is demanding new immigrants to Canada live only in remote areas of the country where the populations are falling. As the population crashes in the Maritimes, the Prairies and northern BC soon they will be filled with shivering Koreans, Chinese, Hindus and assorted others.
A new five year 'virtual internment' for new immigrants is proposed and due to be phased in as soon as politicaly possible. A new card modelled on old South African 'passlaws' could be issued restricting them from going anywhere near the cities.

I didn't see politics tonight on CBC. I was busy volunteering with my kids minor hockey team. If what I'm hearing is correct, then Delacourt owes the men and women of the RCMP and Military an apology. How dare she imply that we are puppets of the Government and would take to the streets to enforce Marshall Law. Not her words, but thats what it sounds like she was implying. The people I know in the Military spend endless hours volunteering with youth organizations, food banks, Childrens Wish Foundations and many other civic minded charities. For her to insinuate that we would ever become despot thugs or Brown Shirts for a dictator is reprehensible! She has a chance to retract her statements. If she chooses not to, she has not only insulted the current members of the RCMP and Military, but all who served before us, including the 100000 buried overseas who died so she could speak such filth. She should spend some of her Star salary and go to VIMY Ridge. Maybe then, after seeing the monument and expieriencing what power the site has, she might actually feel how it is to be Canadian.

You can add ronrob to the exmil list. Was in the Airforce when it was the RCAF. Got out when trudeau kicked our Rs

In his 13 years as Prime Minister, the Chretin didn't pay a single visit to National Defence Headquarters, even though it is less than 500 metres from Parliment Hill - and he would have had to drive past it on his way to 22 Sussex Dr. As I recall, Harper made his first visit within weeks.

I've 22 years in, Regular and Reserve force combined, and will likely 'pull pole' for the last time in the fall.

Hillier is 8CH?? Never knew.
Both that little pony and Q Vics niece and everyone with the badge love him. A CDS from Petawawa?? From our Hussars? Chain mail on his dress? Beauty, eh.
I remember being in the field back in the Trudeau days, running out of blanks and having the sergeant tell us to go bang bang.
The Yanks would say Charley Foxtrot under the Libs.

Just like your typical liberal whinny wussie he prefers to blame someone else

Coderre interviewed by Rob Breakenridge here ... bring up Fri Feb 16 ... 6 pm ... fast forward to the 46 minute mark.

Completely unfair!!! You can't judge libs by what they did ... you have to judge by them by what they said they were going to did.

Dion needs to start showing some leadership and rein in his MP's, they are hurting the Liberals more than they are helping. Coderre is a prime example, he might have made the news, but Canadians understand that Hillier's statements had nothing to do with politics, only truth. Coderre should be called on his marching with terrorists. Dion is soft on terrorists, the proof is Coderre, marching with Hezbollah.

What is Delacourt's point. She's nervous because someone (RCMP, military) who's supposed to defend her is armed? That is suspicious. I'd be nervous if they didn't have guns.

The Canadian combat arms and the RCMP do not, have not, and will not, interfere in Canadian political affairs. They are entitled to advocate for their mission though. If the Liberals were in power, he wouldn't have been allowed to make that comment, upon pain of dismissal.

But the Liberals aren't in power anymore, and that's making them crazy; hence the gong show we are witnessing. Liberals need to face reality. They aren't coming back anytime soon. What little policy they have is poorly thought out, (Kyoto bill suicide pact with Layton, Duceppe; anti-terror bill expiration; loss of Buzz Hargrove support,etc)and choosing Dion as leader was a mistake. The LPC will be back, just not right now; they need to renew. With Harper's momentum and Dion's rookie mistakes, we could have a majority CPC government by the end of the year.

Count me in as exmil. I served during the Diefenbaker era and he was much hated by us. However, hind sight is 20/20 as they say and I think he got the usual conservative reaming from the MSM of the day. I remember the reduction in value of the Cdn $, pegged at 92.5c. You'd think it was Global Warming, but all was OK when it fell to 60c under Critien.
He canned the Arrow and for that was despised in the RCAF. Despite Dan Akeroid's characterization in the B movie, the Arrow was a super expensive single role bomber chaser of the 50's and not the versatile fighter the new cold war/Peacemaker military needed.

Coderre is a typical "Pepsi", I saw was lots of them in Quebec in the second world war. No guts, and they favoured the enemy, Trudeau with his German helment, the same as Coderre with his Hezbollah flag. If, there was an open season on Libranos, I'd beter be careful, I'd hope I'd be on the start line when the season opened. DKT

Don Newman's media panel: cbc.ca/politics/

Go to Friday's archived video, and go in to about the 45+ minute mark. Delacourt follows Travers abundant comments.

More on the "who is in charge here?" question - Iggy doesn't back Coderre - "they both use colourful language"

Check out the Richardson link

What REALLY pi$$es me off about this story? Hillier spoke, eloquently, for 16 minutes about valuable lessons learned over the years. Canadians that don't surf or didn't catch it live hear about his "partisan" remark.

What a crock.

I'm another ex military man who experienced other decades of darkness in the 60's and 70's, RCAF, when that commie Turdeau was around and before when Hellyer was Defence Minister. It was the same then as the 90's.......At least the Liebranos are consistant! Hopefully we will never have to endure another "decade of darkness". As for that fat Hezbolah loving puke, Coderre, hope some military people tape a dirty smelly jock strap over his mouth and send him on his way. As for Delacort, I'm filing another complaint with the CBC Ombudsman. I have just finished a pissing match with Whitten over the phony secret oil sands meeting that another puke, Guy Gendron put together and the CBC broadcast in Quebec only.

Sent via e-mail to all MP's"

Dear Members of Parliament;

I note that Liberal MP Denis Coderre has publically called Chief of Defense Staff, General Rick Hillier, "a prop for the Conservative party" after General Hillier described the 1990's as a 'dark era' for Canada's military.

Would this 'prop for the Conservatives' be the same General Hillier appointed by the Liberal government in February 2005? And would this be the same Denis Coderre MP, who was a 'prop of the Hiz'bollah' during a march in Montreal last year?

Canadians are on to the desperation and misrepresentation of Liberal MP's and they will be exposed at every turn. The complacent and complicit media are no longer our only source of information and the spin will be revealed at every opportunity.

Mr. Corderre should be ashamed of his unwarranted and foolish accusation. General Hillier and the members of Canada's armed forces deserve an apology.

Denis Coderre stated that the Liberal spent 13 BILLION between 1999 and 2005. Huh? What was purchased during this time for 13 BILLION? Maybe someone should ask him to elaborate on this?

Maybe someone should do an audit.

The following is the letter I sent to the CBC and Don Newman:

On Friday, during the Politics program, I was quite dismayed by Susan Delacourt's comments about her fear about people who carry guns.

Maybe this panel should have asked why did our military was ordered to go out on dangerous Bosnia missions during this period of military cuts.

Do these panelist not care about our men and women in uniform?

Don Newman should have immediately called her on this. But, because he didn't, it doesn't surprise me. Quite obviously, Don Newman and the CBC have their own hidden agenda.

It would be most appropriate for Susan Delacourt and Don Newman to issue an apology.

Harper should demand huffed up small Buffoon, Coderre, apologize to CDS Hillier, he was totally out of order.
Who the hell is running the show in that Liberal Party anyway?
They made one big boo boo having Pablum Rodriquez present the Kyoto Bill, it's on it's way back to bite them already. The truth about the whole Kyoto Scam and it's consequences is finally coming out.

Kelowna, Paul Martin's death bed concoction will be another boo boo. People are starting to wonder where all the money to Natives is really going and if it is solving any problems other than tossing money into a black hole.

I cant wait for the Auditor General to get into the Dept. of Indian Affairs.

this is the most bloated bureaucracy since the Vatican and ripe for a major shakedown.

Re Delacourt: That's what Liberals do best: fearmonger.

Susan Delacourt should be more worried about the Fashion and Hairstyle Police getting her than ordinary cops and soldiers with guns.

Apparently Delacourt and Newman(how does he talk without opening his mouth?)were more comfortable with soldiers armed with snow shovels clearing the streets of the centre of the universe.

surely the lowest day in the history of the Canadian military. ( was that under the libs?-while they were buying the primeministerial showplane Airfarce 1)

Delacourt has a selective memory. While she apparently is not comfortable with men with guns cosying up to the current government, she apparently has no problem when the Liberal government politicizes those same men with guns and uses them, repeatedly, to remove firearms from lawful citizens, the last bastion of protection from governments who would use arms against its citizens.
NWEST is busy targeting large personal collections of firearms in private hands. OPP, RCMP and other ERT teams are happy to assist the Liberals in removing these collections, at gunpoint, if necessary.
Delacourt needs to come clean as to what she is really afraid of: men with guns, or, men with guns who are not her men with guns. Someone has to explain to her that you can't suck and blow at the same time.

I was over on the huge G & M comment thread re this issue this a.m. and too many of the commenters there are unbelieveable. From a basic inability to process the facts of who said what in the article, to wide-eyed, foamy mouthed, blatant military conspiracy theories, the idea that these people may constitute any significant proportion of Canadians is concerning to me. I know we all have free speech here, but when people who are blithely ignorant of major facts start laying blame, there's just no telling what conclusions they may reach. How about the number of people who are proponents of the 'why do we need a military anyways' theory? I can't help asking if they have any concept of what it means to maintain Canadian sovereignty or any understanding of what is going on in the world today. God help us, if this is what Canadians have come to! I prefer to hope that more and more Canadians are waking up to the mess that this country has become and will sign on to pragmatic, positive change. I guess only time and the next election will tell.

Yesterday, when I voted the G&M poll question asking if CDS Rick Hillyer had gone too far in his remarks about the decade of darkness something like 10 thousand votes had been cast and the score was 57% for the No side and 43% for the Yes side. Today the score is roughly 44 thousand votes cast and and the situation is reversed with 81% for the yes side and only 19% for the NO side. First I asked How can this be but now I get it. Lieberal moles at work again. How pathetic.

The G&M Polls tend to achieve the desired results for the Editors on any subject. No surprise.
Toronto, Leftist Wasteland, think the Army is only needed for emergencies like removing snow.

Coderre and his ilk are not even worthy of protection with such attitudes. Playing the cheapest of political games at the expense of the best CDS, Hillier, who is the best we've had in memory. He was NOT partisan. He spoke the truth and it transcended Party lines.

We are blessed with the best Prime Minister in memory and the best Military Chief of Staff in memory. It's killing the Liberals in ore ways than one.

WildRose, I couldn't agree with you more except for your statement, "I know we all have free speech here [Canada?]". We do?

As far as I've noticed, the Charter has been used very selectively to protect the free speech rights of only certain Canadians. I know, because I'm a Canadian whose free speech rights are very much proscribed, compared to what they were a decade ago--that is, if I know what's good for me. I self-censor all the time because I've seen people like me, who have reasonable disagreements with the politically correct status quo, jackbooted by the powers that be many times over.

E,g., I and batb posted here last week about Janice Stein's recent idea to deny tax breaks to any churches that don't toe the feminist/gay activist, "Charter values" party line. She means it. (I notice that not one other sda poster seemed at all interested in this discriminatory suggestion of Professor Stein.) One shouldn't need to be an orthodox Christian to be concerned about this ominous initiative to exclude an identifiable group of productive, loyal Canadians from state approval. Remember Pastor Martin Neimoller's poem about the Nazis and "useless bread eaters"--this is one version:

"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t
speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist.

"Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak
up, because I wasn’t a Jew.

"Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t
speak up, because I was a Protestant [these days: unbeliever].

"Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Check out who's got free speech rights in this country. It sure isn't all of us. Re free speech rights and the right to live as a free person, traditionalist Christians of many denominations are the Canadian canaries in the mine. Google Chris Kempling, Scott Brockie, and Calgary's Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry. Also check out Rory Leishman's fine book, Against Judicial Activism.

Maybe people feel safe because they're not orthodox Christians. I'd say, "Don't feel safe. Don't stand by and allow fellow Canadians of good will to be harassed and bullied by the state." Why not? Completely overlooking the ethical question, "Your turn is coming".

Once the power of the state is allowed to arbitrarily override the freedoms of certain citizens, all citizens are at risk.

For the facts:

"National Defence critic is Liberal with the truth/Feuding at Fort Ottawa?"
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/02/national-defence-critic-is-liberal-with.html

Mark
Ottawa

lookout: There were many posts anti stein, but most were bought up on other threads. I myself did, but suggested instead of going after churches etc, a better idea would be to make all contributions to wildlife, peta, greenpeace and any environmental group, non deductable.
The reference above, first they came for the---------, the first time I saw that was in a movie theatre, as a very young girl, during a news brief. Forget what they called them, but they were shown before every show. Several men and women were standing on a corner in London, and as each stmt was made, someone was taken away, leaving a lone person there to be taken away. I have never forgotten that. Who remembers the name of that corner of some park where anyone could get up and say whatever.

mary T

Hyde Park (Speakers Corner)

Lookout, point taken re free speech. Actually, I printed the Janice Stein article to give to my sons, one of whom is taking a university class on democracy, with a good bit of attention to media. He swears his prof is a raging socialist and he comes home from class fit to be tied, sometimes. The information was a sober warning of where we could be going in future. I also know that I have had to refrain from saying anything like "thank God" when speaking with some of my clients - seems to just raise their hackles for some reason.

mary T, I missed the other threads, I guess. I agree that there seem to be many groups, which do far less good than churches, which are allowed charitable status.

WildRose, we're on the same wavelength here. I wonder what your sons think of Janice Stein's proposal. I actually emailed her with my objections: 'haven't heard a word. No surprise.

Grandad, thanks, just couldn't remember the name. Does it still exist. Used to be some good rants that showed up on the news. About ever six months someone was predicting the end of the world due to our sins. Global warming hadn't been thought of yet.

Lookout, what do my sons think of Janice Stein's proposal?.....they think she is absolutely nuts and just wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels. It didn't take them long to perceive that she is targeting a positive influence in society and the results of implementing her plans would cause further mischief.

It seems that people like Stein have fairly selective memory in that they preach about the problems which have arisen out of religion, but fail to remember all the good accomplished. They forget the everyday people who, due to their religion, feel called to serve and quietly work to assist others around them.

Bruce:
You totally missed the point, that AML has been implemented across entire financial industry only as of lately. The implementation is automated, therefore subject to errors and glitches in computer programs, data entry errors etc. It does not really seem to concern you, that information is passed w/o warrant or subpoena, but that's normal for your occupation and I don't blame you.
Ask 100 people in the street what they know about AML and 99 will say 'what?' Out of 10 from a 1000, who would know, ask them if they can be reported to police for making 10 $100 deposits over a month. I am sure that 9 will say 'no' and will be wrong, as 'there is no limit on the minimum amount to be reported'. Also ask them, can they be reported to RCMP if they buy and cancel life insurance within 6 months. They will be equally surprised, that many insurance companies will report them.
It's not the idea that I am opposing - it is the implementation. Specially the part where it is 1) automatic; 2) the actual policies are up to the institution and 3) everyone, who might have known and did not report is a criminal. Too many are incriminated to a great measure, just like the bill C-68.