Congratulations to the opposition - they all learned a new word! (and part of the learning was to use it in a sentence at least once).

If Liberals don’t like our ideology, it must be because they think theirs is better .. Ergo, they have an ideology too.

Unless … as utopians they believe in nothing.

But choosing to believe in nothing is also a belief .. in nothing.

Doesn’t all this simply mean that the Liberals are basically incapable of thought .. period!

They may get to use it in an election campaign too.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070214/kyoto_3rd_070214/20070214?hub=QPeriod

This may or may not be considered a money bill. (The invalidity suggestion that the conservative made to the speaker today suggests that it may be classed as one)

I think the conservatives will just ignore it as an empty bill (as martin did) atleast until the budget is brought down.

Anyone want to bet on whether we are in an election campaign by the weekend??

We could have one great big drinking month... I wonder if we will all survive it.

Since Stephane Duion is an Atheist he may be a poster boy of the old saying " He who believes in nothing will fall for anything."
In his quest he apparently studied Marxism and was sooo enthralled by this that he did his University Thesis (in France as a new French citizen) on Marxism.
Before abandoning Canada for France, however, he was a Quebec separtist.
And now he worships at the alter of world wide social engineering and wealth redistribution called "Kyoto".
Maybe Dion's obsession with the word "ideology" is because he is still seeking his own communist/marxist/socialist/one world government utopian formula to hoist on the rest of us.

Since CPAC got a tad possessive of their on-air material used by the Conservatives, from the Liberal convention, will they tsk-tsk at 'You-Tube' for this too?

Hmmm - looks like "values" has been replaced by "ideology" - trust the Liberals to find a word that is even more vague so that you can pretend that you stand for something when in fact you are just blowing smoke and hoping that you can sucker enough people to vote for you.

Well it is better than "fundementally" I guess.

liberal left Ideology has infitrated every nook & cranny in Canada Appointing their Socialist freinds into the judicial system, High ranking government positions, creating laws that are left leaning ideology, Creating their Socialist Bottomless Pits programs. Therefore forcing more & more stress on Honest Hardworking Taxpayers to the point that they are caring a debt load that has reached an all time high. Canadians have been Taxed to the max to support these Left ideologies.
Canadians are awakening to these & other facts that they have been bombarded with these Socialist ideologies & seeing that the liberal Socialist only care about one thing, themselves.
Canadians are seeing that they have a way out as quite evident in recent performance polls on PM Harper.
This country needs a majority Conservative government that can turn it around.

Its better to be a party of ideology than a party of idiotology.

I'll bet the Conservatives just ignore it,for now.The opposition will whine and moan,say that it is what all Canadians want and threaten to take it to the people,but will stop short of bringing down the government.Simply because they know for all the retoric,and as voters become more aware that Kyoto has serious economic consequences.Any party with all the unaddressed issues facing this country who puts us into another election based on simply fear mongering environment theories and what appears to be a document more to do with a wealth transferring socialist experiment knows that they will be playing with fire.Or to put it another way,they have been watching the polls and now is not the time unless you are PMSH.

Will Jason publish dions thesis like he did Harper's letter. We should all read that thesis, and I don't think canada is ready for an atheist PM, as much as they say religion is a non issue. I can see the ads and cartoons now, don't believe in anything, fall for anything. Dion's religion is Kyotology, but instead of passing a collection plate, he wants the whole economy.

This technique comes straight from Orwell. "Newspeak" I believe? Accusing others of being what you are. Sorry, I can't give a quote, gave away my copy of 1984.

Best to ignore it. Nothing more boring than one way banter. Let them opine among themselves, waller in their own crap. We know what we stand for. We are proud of what we stand for and we are not going to argue with desperate fools about our "ideology".

How is "ideology" pronounced in "Dion Speak"?

Who Pays for this Socialist Kyoto Pipe Dream, Well the Socialist will argue that the Oil & Gas sectors will pay heavy(Mark Holland pay or else), so in turn the O&G will have to charge more to their customers which inturn will put a finacial burden on the consumer. Consumers will demand more from their employers But in order to meet the employee demands the Business sector will have to either layoff workers or increase their products price, so the person that wants to purchase their products will not be able to afford too, therefore less demand on manufactured product will result in plant layoffs/Closures & so on & so on ........
I guess in the longrun the air will be clean as no one will be working anyways & towns, cities, county gov't, Provincial Gov't & The Canadian Gov't will all be bankrupt, No one will be able to pay their taxes.
So then what will we do, we will all be healthy, but broke, What next?
There will be an uprising one that the world has never seen, Anarchy & strife people will turn to the leaders in a ray of hope only that hope will make Hitler Pale in comparison , Socialist Will have succeeded A New World Order Will Emerge.
Sound a little crazy, Think about it Thats basicaly how Hitler & Mussolini came to power after the world recession of the 30's

When the opposition parties start yammering in the House of Commons about the Tories ignoring their will, Stephen Harper should just start blasting them right back about the Kyoto scam.

Talk about carbon credits and the billions they will cost, and some of the countries that would benefit (China, India, Brazil) without having to reduce emissions, and the fact that Canada's emissions don't have to go down as long as we are willing to part with billions of dollars.

That should hopefully quiet all the socialist morons in the House that are hell bent on ruining our country.

bryanr: carrying on from your conjecture...

The Chinese are a very intelligent people. Mao forced industrialization and has created a powerful industrial force in the world. Unions and socialism has already killed a significant amount of North American industries and forced the production to other countries. Kyoto will force any remaining industries out of developed nations and into developing industrialized nations...such as China.

Hows that for cornering the market?

re QP today and the Speaker's decision on the private members Bill. Did I understand it correctly--the government is to allocate the money for implementation of Kyoto if the Bill passes? If so, how democratic is that?
Also I think Szabo's Point of Order was interesting. Are the Liberals backtracking on their support for Kyoto now that Chrysler has announced massive layoffs? After all, this impacts Ontario the most so if it can be linked to Kyoto, how will this affect the Liberal vote base??? Me thinks Dion has stepped in the doodoo big time with his rants pro Kyoto. Finally reality hits him right between the eyes--implementation of Kyoto will have an impact on the lives of voters--Chrysler is just the first of many more to come.

It would be nice if all socialist's would be quiet, however judging by the past I doubt that will happen. Usually the more outlandish the idea, the more they scream in favour of it.

"liberal left Ideology has infiltrated every nook & cranny in Canada Appointing their Socialist friends into the judicial system, High ranking government positions."
I wrote a letter to my liberal candidate on the insane justice system, stressing that we need accountability and even sited cases. Elected judges would be a great start, this would give us an opportunity to throw the bad ones out (one strike the judge is out) more laws are not the answer we have enough on the books already. To make a long story short, he even brought this up in parliament surprising for a liberal. Got a reply from the minister of justice and quote” The Minister role precludes him from commenting on individual cases.” Our justice system is based on the important constitutional principle that judges must render their decisions independently free from improper influence or interference.”

So the "honourable" MPs will force our Canadian Government to respect the Kyoto Protocol.

So what can Canada do to meet the Canadian Kyoto targets. We all know that in February 2007, the Canadian emissions are at least 35% over our Kyoto targets.

The liberals and NDP and Bloc say that our car manufacturing must change to "green" cars. OK, but, do these geniuses realize that it takes years to re-tool? So what then in the meantime, as we can't continue to emit? Shut down all car manufacturing!

Is that enough? Of course not! We will still have individuals driving normal cars. OK, ban all personal vehicles!

Is that enough? Of course not! As we need electricity and in Ontario we have coal fired generation. So we need to shut down all coal generated electricity, including in Ontario!

Is that enough? Of course not! So let's shut down the oil and gas production in Alberta, Saskachewan, Nfld, Nova Scotia, which does generate revenue for Canada, including wealth transfer to Quebec, and the Atlantic Provinces.

Is that enough? Of course not! So now we are getting into carbon trading market. Well, now we have found the hidden agenda! Wealth distribution scam. Why do you think the Bloc are salivating for a CO2 trading market to be set up in Montreal, Quebec?

So I ask you, "Honourable" MPs, why are you trying to screw Canada, with this legally binding act?

I'm a very very scared about what this bill will to us, the Canadian workers.

Someone should purchase a decent 'spell checker' for that blogger. What the hell is 'idealogy'?? Sheeesh!

I'd be willing to bet Harper will ignore the bill if he doesn't like it. He has a tendancy to listen and then do what he was going to do anyway. I hope he would do that.

The Kyoto motion passes.

The media response will be to avoid the following:

- that the Liberals signed Kyoto years ago, and again ratified it

- that in those years the Liberals did nothing to meet the targets

- that as a result of the failure, severe economic consequences will result (any reference to ecomonic effects will be relayed as conservative allegations - "the CPC says that the targets are unachievable", none of the "experts" that they site when handy will be called upon to authoritatively speak of the economic consequences. The economic disaster of compliance will be kept safely within the confines of a mere conservative allegation.

The media cannot put the motion into the above context and risk exposing it as one of the most cynical, callous political moves in Canadian history.

And so the Liberals will be given free reign to play games with the jobs of millions of Canadians.

Watch agenda journalism at its worst unfold in the next few days.

Right on cue:

From the CP - all of the above elements satisfied, including the mere allegation of economic consequences:

"The government calls those targets – a six per cent drop from 1990 levels – unattainable and dangerous to the economy."

And not only is the Liberal inaction not mentioned, it implies the Tories put us in this bind:

After citing recent Tory environmental initiatives add this:

"This after the Tories killed a host of pro-Kyoto initiatives created by the previous Liberal government that failed to halt a steep climb in carbon emissions."

See that history recreated right before our eyes. Damn those Tories for stopping the effective Liberal implementation of Kyoto targets.

George, I thought Szabo's run-on point of order was rather curious, too. It did seem he wanted this Bill C-288- to be sent to committee.

It is in committee that they could have made amendments to 'soften' the blow that having to follow the whole Kyoto Protocol to the letter, will bring.

Will there be any Liberal Senator with enough persuasion, or common sense, to do it...cause an amendment to be added?

And Catherine, I believe Pablo Rodriqez exactly had that in mind...note which MPs have been pushing for Montreal to be named the centre for carbon trading. It is all too cute.

What a brilliant video.
I guess something had to fill the "fundamental" vacuum Paul Martin left behind...

Though I know that the Liberals' excessive and obssessive use of the word ideology and ideological are their simplistic and idiotic (I almost said "ideological") way of scaring the H*ll out of the Canadian electorate who may be looking favourably upon the CPC (an ideology implies a narrow, authoritarian, hit-you-over-the-head agenda, dontcha know?), I find that it's the Librano$ who are scaring the H*ll out of me.

There's a point at which this kind of transparent fearmongering backfires. Head for your bunkers, Libs, because I don't think it's going to take Canadians very long to figure out what you're attempting here.

You're the scary ones. You're the ideologues--'just too bad you've totally run out of any useful ideas. All you know how to do anymore is call others names. Grow up, eh?

Libs can yap all they want - who cares? Nobody is listening. Two events just this week have helped seal their fate, and a possible CPC majority:

1. massive layoffs in auto sector. Just see what happens when "externalities" are posed upon them.

2. Al Queda has declared war on Canada's oil commerce with USA. It's not enough for Americans to get out of ME oil, Bin baby says they can't have ours either. Obviously, this is retaliation for our troops in Afghanistan (sigh). After all, AQ named Venezuela too and they have many troops there, right?

Great article in Post today. Points out four areas where Dion is sinking like stone:

- Afghanistan hypocrisy
- Kyoto hypocrisy
- terrorist law extension hypocrisy, and
- women in elections hypocrisy.

While Mr. Harper can ignore it, there will be court challenges. I can easily see Ms. May, Mr. Suzuki, Polaris, and the Sierra club taking the government to court.

The Liberals have again screwed us. Thank you in advance for giving me an opportunity to lose my job.

Catch the cbc national later if you missed it and catch the panel. Funny, the backtracking re kyoto targets and the cost. One panelist says what if Harper presents a bill that says, to meet the targets and the bill just passed we will, shut down all coal plants and auto industry in Ont., shut down all oil sand activity in Alberta, no more travel by mps to their home ridings, limited miles allowed by all cdns, and as that will only possibly meet half our targets, we are budgeting 10 billion dollars/yr for 5 yrs, to buy carbon credits from China and other countries, which they will use to build co2 emmitting factories.
Most of the panelists think dion has dug himself into a hole and handed Harper a real gift. One even wondered if the conservatives didn't have a mole in the liberal caucus, to have them come up with such a stupid law. With the job cuts today, that could be used as a start to meet targets.
Wonder if Pablo will be re-elected. Some think no election till much later, after Harper tells cdns what it will cost them, and tie failures to liberals 13 yrs of inaction, and 18 mos of dions doing nothing. Naming a dog kyoto will not do it.
Chantel and Andrew C feel dion has given harper a gift, and if Charest wins, Duceppe will stick to Harper like scotch tape (chantel)

Im enjoying Buzz howling like a dog tied to a hayrack.

His unreasonable demands onto a failing industry have left him as the enemy to the union boys,nervous as a whore in church and having to watch his back. but CBCpravda still interviews him like he is important, he is small potatoes in the current situation.

Read "Atlas shrugged" by Anne Rand to see the impact of a government program with no rational forethought.

Just went to read the comments in the g&m on this new bill, says 570, but if you go to read them you get, post first comment.
Some rather vicious comments re AlQs threat to our oil industry. Some blame Harper for sending troops to afgan for this. They forget, Martin and the liberals sent them, without thinking it thru, just like they signed kyoto without any thought.

Mary, I have been thinking along the same lines. Introduce the "Kyoto Implementation Bill" which contains the draconian economy-destroying measures necessary to succeed in complying with the opposition's bill. Announce that the Conservative members will not be voting for it, and if it passes, the government will immediately dissolve parliament, resign and force an election. A man can dream.

Dont mean to nit pick but its Ayn Rand

Heard dion got a new dog, a poodle ... calls him Iggy.

Dion has a new pit bull-Scott Bisson raised his voice today. Still no Holland. Dion is now in favor of some senate reform, wants 10-15 year terms, no second terms allowed. He says he wants to protect Alberta so is against elections. How is he going to protect Alberta when he is working hand in hand with OBL to destroy our oilsands. Did OBL make his recent threats after Hollands rant, or did he order the rant. With 50 thousand muslims in canada thinking terrorism is ok we should be worried. As long as they stay in Toronto and threaten the cbc, I guess they can do their thing. Just checked the poll in the G&M re judges. Only 32% think we have good ones,
Another thing Harper should put in that bill is, no more funding for the cbc or any cultural or sp interest groups, and the saved money will be used to buy carbon credits from China to meet our targets. As they have been advocating for this for years, they should not complain and be happy their wishes are being met. That might get JVD so upset she would go back to her scarry hair. Wonder why she changed it, must read SDA.

There are several comments and items across the net saying Harper should call Dions bluff by introducing a draconian bill. We should let him know that we agree with it, and send ideas as to what should be in it. Talk Radio should be a hoot tomorrow. The public has to be made aware of the dangers, before an election campaign. There is not enough time then. If Harper and Baird, and our conservative mps got a few thousand e-mails of support it could make it happen. Years ago Manning called Ques bluff about separating, time to call Dions and Laytons. I for one am tired of their tactics. Make them you know what or get off the pot.

another G&M poll gone bad.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v5/content/poll/pollResultHub?id=52652&pollid=52652&answerid=64372&poll=GAMFront&save=_save52652&show_vote_always=no&hub=Front&subhub=VoteResult&vote=64372

Any chance that Paplo, Dion or Iggy will wake up tomorrow and say, I think we may have awakened a sleeping giant.

Liberals piss me off a lot, but you know, that Ruby Dhalla is kind of hot.

A valentines poem for Ruby

LIBERALS PREDICTED ALMOST HALF A MILLION JOB LOSSES IF KYOTO WERE IMPLEMENTED

It's here:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=9c126e34-1a54-4f64-bae8-7206dc8af570

That is huge, and it should be everywhere.

The Libs are apparantly OK with a massive ressessionary layoff, as long as they can try and force Harper to do it. And to no effect - all the while the real emitters, China and Russia are exempt.

Kate, is this not seperate post worthy.

There are huge arguments AGAINST Kyoto, let them begin. Time to take on the Leftoids and really shake them out. Uncle Moe and his gang of Opportunists have to be called to heel.

How the hell they could push to follow Kyoto to the letter and, at the same breath, be all concerned about the Auto Industry? It's proof they are bereft of brains capable of rational thought.

We have to take them out to an Election. They want to kill the terror bill as well. We'll have one huge disaster of a Country if we don't put them right out next time.

Do we want a Country or just a collection of States, Balkan style? The Liberals are pandering to all and sundry,spurred on by Multiculturalism and enabled by the Charter. They do whatever it take to gain power with no scruples to get in their way, no sleazy deal too low to pass up.

Let's have at them.