What can be done about a media so intertwined with the Liberals in so many aspects? Even their livelihoods are tied and intertwined with the LPC.
They've been wined and dined and fed the easy stories for decades of Liberal rule.
They have spouses,family members and friends who have acquired jobs throughout the Establishment.
It's more important for them to guard their turf, scruples be-damned.

The Conservatives are playing against a stacked deck at every turn.
It's enough to make one's stomach churn to listen to Duffy, Newman et al.

Those of us who have time to pay attention know what they're up, let's spread the word.

Don't get me started on Susan (why dontcha find another hairdresser?) Delacourt and her TorStar sidekick, Jim Travesty, with whom I had an e-mail sparring match in the past few weeks. "Total Entitlement" could be their by-line or "Above the Crowd, No Need to Explain," etc.

I actually caught Mike Puffy Live the day he had Holland on, and marvelled that he didn't appear with anyone who was going to actually grill him. The Liberal leader from Alberta seemed none to happy with Holland's remarks about Alberta's oil sands, but both being Liberal, Holland got off pretty light. Of course, Stuffy's a died-in-the-wool LPC cheerleader, so he let Holland off lightly too.

G*D'S TEETH!, as Glenda Jackson playing a riled Queen Elizabeth I would bellow. What a whacked out country Canada is, ill-served by a pip-squeak, intellectually and fact-challanged media. What did most of us do to deserve this?

I know, I know. We voted in Pierre Elliott Trudeau and his Lieberal rogues rather than Robert Stanfield, the best prime minister Canada never had. For the record, I smelled a rat and never voted for the Liberals. Fat lot of good it did me...

It's so obvious and shameful. The MSM is a slimy group of insiders bent on regaining their control of the "Message". It would be a benefit to all Canadians that we spread this post all across Canada. I sincerely hope other bloggers get involved.

It's going to take a concerted effort to counter the (mostly) compromised, mediocre media. This kind of story just motivates me to send another $100 to the CPC so that they can keep running the anti-Dion ads. Seeing as I'll (eventually) get $75 back through the tax system, this is the most effective way for someone like me to stick it back to the Libs and their apologists. Hopefully, semi-sympathetic media like Adler will now twist the knife a bit more whenever they get the chance. Start by dumping that predictable pap purveyor, Jim Travers from his radio interviews. Find new ways to trap loose cannons like Holland into revealing more of the Liberals hidden agenda. Bring on that idiot Rodriguez so that he can explain that ridiculous 'Kyoto Implementation Bill', give us all a good laugh.

We need FOX News Canada.

Why is it not obvious to everyone, Duffy and Newman and all the dead head reporters will always protect their Liberal pals?
They cut off Conservatives and allow the Libranos to cut in and rant on. Freaking Duffy with his Cherubic smile, (ya, right),conveying the message "aren't our Liberals clever", always the last word, always right.
Problem is, what can be done about it?

They're so entwined with the Liberals there has to be some inbreeding by now.

Just get the point of view that Czech President Vaclav Klaus made, out to all the y2kyoto propagandists, including Harper's gang.

The Conservatives have been given a gift by Holland and they should run with it, 'HIDDEN AGENDA'.
We can claim "SCARY" at the same time. What could be more scary than Liberals being led by a Marionette, with Chretien and Operatives behind the curtain?
That's scary.

On the first day of April Baird should do a talk show in Montreal and hint at "nationalizing" Quebec's "over producing" hydro power so all provinces can share in the "clean power revolution" Kyoto targets demands...Baird could state that someone has to step in to tell Quebec that they can't just keep trippling production of James Bay power and endangering the natural habitat "just so they can give the excess power to the Yanks as fast as they can make it"...

....also equalization transfers will be withdrawn and allocated to meeting Kyoto targets because Quebecers said this was their 1st priority...of course this does not include the PMs home province of Alberta which is exempt from Kyoto taxing.

Then put on your ear muffs on so the media din does not destroy your hearing.

After the media has whipped themselves into a virtual trance lusting for Conservative blood...calmy announce that this was an April fools prank on the media courtesy of an idea by Mark Holland.

Do you think that the media could then connect the dots and feel even a modicum of professional shame for their obvious prejudices??.....Naaaa guess that's asking too much.

been around the block asks:

"What a whacked out country Canada is, ill-served by a pip-squeak, intellectually and fact-challanged media. What did most of us do to deserve this?"

>>We did nothing...nothing at all.

When we saw the start of a corporate-LPC dynasty forming in the '70s with single-minded kleptocratic statism as its agenda...we did nothing.

We did nothing because the coopted media said nothing....and we always do what the media tells us Canadians must do...which is; nothing.

If Canada starts to resemble a cold war era soviet backwater state, with political profiteering cabals and corrupt officialdom, decayed civil ethics all networked through a single party nepotistic political patronage system...it's because the media is part of it..the public's 4th estate watchdog was fed a thick steak to fall asleep while the nations was burglarized...just as Pravda was the smoke screen for soviet dysfunction...CRTC and direct patronge makes sure of a sycophant Canadian media tied by the purse strings to the existing Kleptocratic order.

If Canada elects that french swine, and thinks Alberta will sit still for another NEP, they have another thing coming.

We need to get tough with these filthy liberals. We need the fire wall around our finances.

Kate, it wouldn't matter one whit whether this became a big deal in the press or not. Eastern Canada doesn't care. To them, Canada starts at Morontario and ends in Queerbec. In Toronto, they wail and sob with fright if the power goes out. If they get 1" of snow it becomes a national emergency and the military is called out.

Those people are not fit to be our countrymen. They are arrogant, weak and stupid. It is time we let them know that.

Fox news Canada:

Now that would be a dream come true.

Harper and Co aren't stupid. You can bet your bottom dollar they know full well about Holland's remarks and have it filed under "election bombshells" for the day after the writ drops.

I think the media's bias may work an advantage for the CPC in this regard. Like most conservatives I abhor the media's liberal bias, and it is tragic that we don't have a truly objective media in the mainstream, but this is one case where I believe the media's purposeful silence will bite their preferred party in the a$$ later.

So while I'm disgusted that nobody in the MSM is headlining Holland's hidden agenda, I tend to think the news may actually pack more punch when uncorked during election time.

milch cow
One who is easily tricked out of his property.

Dion said Alberta and the oil sands were a 'milk cow'- no such words together. He doesn't read widely in Engish. Meant 'milch cow. Definition above.
Add this to the 'easy money' that is to be avoided in Fort McMurray. That is an insult to every hard-working person in Fort McMurray where the operative words are 'on time' and 'on budget'.

The MSM must not have heard this as no one has asked him to clarify what he meant.

Skipper

Right now Hollands remarks actually sit well with some. If you ask most Canadians where the gas in their car comes from my suspicion is they will say the middle east (soon to be known as the missle east)

This applies to Ontarions, Quebecers (who are smug in their electricity) and BCers...its on the other side of the mountains dontcha know.

Point, the CPC can really only use that scare tactic in two areas, Alberta, and in the business community, maybe the retiree community who have lots of money in resource stocks. The general population dont see the benefits or costs of this.

Hard issue to explain unless it is tied to some other comment. Once again I beleive the CPC will use it when they unveil a solution done with industry. Then they can point to Liberal inaction record and say, while they issue empty and irresponsible threats we get things done. Most Canadians will accept that message as reasonable and adult.

I tell you the environmental issue is a dangerous one, it comes and goes, likd of like....well the weather. Dion may be building his house on sand. Kyoto isnt the answer, even for those who believe.

And if we get a coolish spring and cooler than normal summer? What will be the answer then.....people will move out of crisis mode and back to, how much money is in my pocket, are the streets safe and how safe is my job....

I think strategically Dion is getting boxed in to a small area. The battlefield is being "shaped" in the CPC favour. The Liberal party still is not ready for an election. Question the CPC has to answer is do the want a long election or a short election. That is another thread though.

That Holland follow-up interview ought to be posted on as many blogs as possible. For example:

Reporter: ...are you willing to say now that you did or did not mean nationalizing the oil industry?

Holland - I absolutely didn't mean that, and that's a complete twist and perversion of what I said. What I said was that everybody has to be part of the solution here" NOTE: what the heck does 'the solution' mean???

Holland - I mean, what they're trying to do is to get it so that no one can even tlak about limiting the oil sands expansion'.

Reporter, - You want to limit the growth in the oil sands?

Holland, No, what I think we need to do is to take, as we've said with all large final emitters, that we need to have caps"

Reporter - Do you want to cap growth in the oil sands?

Holland - No, what we're doing right now is we have the Natural Resources Committee making a series of recommendations...NOTE - he's passing the buck.

Then, he says 'What I'm saying is that five times expansion of the oil sands is inappropriate'. Note how that contradicts his earlier statement where he DENIES that he wants to 'limit growth in the oil sands, and where he denies that he wants to cap growth in the oil sands.

Holland was asked if he thought the auto industry also ought to be capped. He replied

'Absolutely. I would say the same thing of the five times expansion of just about any industry...

And asked - 'do you think that growth in the oil sands is inappropriate...and replied...that 'growth in the oil sands that would result in greenhouse gas emissions that would negate our ability to meet our international commitments is not acceptable'. Which, if you deconstruct the blather - means - No growth in the oil sands.

The MSM Liberal mouthpieces won't carry these blatant contradictions and agenda.

All the above is neither here nor there: bottom line, do you even trust the Harperites to not do Kyoto Lite, with all the attendant damage that will cause to the economy? The point is, kyoto is a sham, it does nothing for the environment, yet even the Conservatives are pressing on with "caps" or controls on industry. What a collosal waste of effort and money, it makes no sense. And after the Income Trust kick in the teeth, I don't even trust the Conservatives any more than I would any other policical party to blow off the Kyotoites and tell the world we will NOT submit to Kyoto! They are all idiots.

Holland never said the word "nationalize". Perhaps the MSM is not reporting this is because it's a non-story...except in paranoid right-wing minds. Where's Harper on this so called "issue"?

Well, Iberia, just re-read the interview with Adler. Here is a FEDERAL politician agitating for FEDERAL "controls" on the provinces' resources and industrial development. Not the FEDERAL purview, that is PROVINCIAL territory, so what does he mean by "controlling", in this case a PROVINCIAL jurisdiction - in resource development? What method would a Liberal government use, most likely taxation, such as the wellhead tax imposed by Trudeau's government on ALberta crude in the first NEP. Wake up man, this is all about FEDERAL control of everything - statism, collectivism, what ever term you want to place on it does not matter. It is STATE control from Ottawa on everything, you want that? You trust your "state overseers" to do the right thing for this country, then you would be a fool!

Iberia - is this an act?

Really, you cannot be this obtuse. Holland was asked a direct question about whether a Liberal government would nationalize oil sands. The word "nationalize" was not implied. It was specific.

In not immediately rejecting that word, he left a door open that any responsible reporter would have investigated.

Any move by a federal government towards nationalizing a province's natural resources would be an "end of Canada" move. And yet Mark Holland - natural resources critic for his party - left that threat on the table.

Today's Edmonton Journal is running a 1/4 page editorial by Mark Holland justifying his comments and claiming that his words have been "misconstrued for political purposes".
I wonder which slick Liberal backroom hack wrote this. It is chock full of Liberal weasle words, restates Liberal lies and, once again DOES imply that a Liberal Federal government would take action against a Provincial resource for the "environment". Keep digging Mark - the hole is getrting deeper. And, the media outlets handing you the shovels are absolutely showing their own hands.

Mark Holland is really over reaching, both as an individual and a parlimentary actor.

I remember him as a callow youth assisting Dan McTeague, learning the game so to speak. He lake any formal or practical training in law, business, science or communications.

He has no depth at all. It amazes me that this is the best the Liberal Party of Canada

I see Kate's SDA as a proto-type for what the CPC needs to bring forward for the next election. When we see what Kate does with the resources of an individual we can imagine what is possible....... a news outlet that combines video, audio, text, opinions, and editorials that focus on the biased output of the MSM. (updated in realtime)
How would CBC react if it's National's nightly offering was anylized for honesty.How would MSM journalists react if all of them were targeted with the same "search for integrity" What would happen to their Liberal message if they knew their every word was being perused for bias and that perusal was available for everyone to see.

Harper just made a major announcement re the environment with the setting up of a new ECOFUND, so each province can use the money to assist in projects in their own areas of concern. He stressed each province has different priorities and will make their own decisions. Then he said, This money will be available for Quebec and other provinces, as soon as the new budget is passed in the HofC.
This announcement was made in Quebec, with Charest by his side. Brilliant using the threat, no budget, no money. He mentioned 350 million for Que. What will duceppe and dion do, vote against the budget, so in a campaign Harper can say, The liberals are against Que getting money for cleaning up air pollution etc.

JRB; "He has no depth at all. It amazes me that this is the best the Liberal Party of Canada "

Well you;ve hit on a core genetic trait of partisan liberalism;

1) Avoid substance at all costs. Substance is not sexy and debating in this area can reveal how very shallow you and the Lib religion are.

2) Substance is not needed when BS can drive political victories.

MSM cracks are showing. Jim Travers, of all people, thinks Harper has done well since the summer. In fact, on Adler Live, Charles said Dion reminded him of the guy in the posse in a western movie, who gets killed right away. Travers replied that if the movie was about Dion it would be called "High Nine." The media are changing their tune somewhat, though not fast enough. My prediction is they will turn on Dion on the carbon credits to Russia issue. Canadians, save the Suzuki and anything but Tory crowd, will not tolerate $60B being paid to Russia, knowing not a single molecule of CO2 will be reduced. Dion, along with Layton and Duceppe, have skewered themselves with their idiotic, we must comply with Kyoto line, which would have to include emission credits.

It's hard for Duffy et al to defend their buddies when they commit political suicide. I'd love to have an election on Clean Air vrs Kyoto; especially given Tories have host of other issues and policies to discuss, unlike the gang of three.

BTW, Iberia, Holland was asked if Libs would consider nationalizing the oil sands. He did not rule it out, in fact he inferred it could be a "consequence" if Alberta didn't cooperate. C'mon, Iberia, what do you want? Holland isn't quite stupid enough to outright confirm Dion is considering it. The inference, and attendant threat, is clear, whether you see it or not.

If you are wondering why Canada deserved all this, start looking at primary and secondary education! Your children are being indoctrinated at every turn, fed garbage methodologies and outright nonsense, males oppressed and converted to female behaviour... It is too easy to be a teacher - we need too many, so the standards are lowered. My son's teacher banned the word 'killed' from the class lexicon, no violence in the stories please - swords are bad, flowers are good. Tell that to a 10 year old, whose age demands good deal of violence - he's learning to be a man. The teacher immediately gets tipped by the [good] girls about everything manly the boys do, be it plaing in the snow or behind the portables (banned) or making paper airplanes.

I like the suggestion that the PMO is laying in wait on the likes of Holland and Dion's green scarf crowd.

Aside from screaming in the House and scruming in the foyer of the HOC, to turn even 1/10th of the so-called sunlight on Holland that Minister Ambrose had to tolerate will reveal an individual that is neither accountable, experienced and any sense of country, never mind its history.

I am very interested in more information about those $60B of CO2 credits to Russia. Where can I read more?

The sad truth is that Canada will send 60 billion dollars to Russia and that will not change our(Canada) pollution of the atmosphere one iota (nothing).
When will the Greens give their head a shake.

"Kate, it wouldn't matter one whit whether this became a big deal in the press or not. Eastern Canada doesn't care. To them, Canada starts at Morontario and ends in Queerbec. In Toronto, they wail and sob with fright if the power goes out. If they get 1" of snow it becomes a national emergency and the military is called out.

Those people are not fit to be our countrymen. They are arrogant, weak and stupid. It is time we let them know that.

Posted by: Jim at February 12, 2007 9:04 AM"

Jim, that's probably too much of a generalization. But it is true that the majority values in eastern Canada are different from ours out west. There are many notable exceptions on this board and similar forums, but the vote-rich centre of the country seems to be unable to give up its socialist and cultural marxist treats and promises, and seems to accept as gospel anything that the Suzukis and Gores feed them, through the mediation of the MSM. We lost the opportunity to participate with the US in missile defense because of the predominant eastern ethos, and now we're looking at the possibility of more interference in the major western resource sector in support of the Kyoto religion being taken up so fervently in the east.

We need to deal with this in a number of ways, but in light of some of the earlier comments here, two of them are:

1) putting together a western tv presence, perhaps in partnership with someone like FOX, that would help counter the usual pro-Librano/Dipper spin on most of the national media and hold liebral politicians to greater account;

2) through media such as this blog, and through western policy centres like Frontier and Fraser, start seriously examining the benefits of western secession from this Canadian polity that needs to drink so much of the hemlock of cultural marxism and insist on passing the cup to the rest of us. (The suggestions of Janice Stein that would basically have the proto-marxist Canadian state controlling the Catholic Church are really frightening.) And start getting this discussion of the benefits, problems and processes of secession out to as many people as possible.

Why can't we stop $60B in its tracks? If we pay it to Russia, $20 would be pocketed by Putin and his closest friends, $20 will be wasted and they would not be able to account for the rest of money.

Aaron, I have relied on MSM for this info; also, Mr Baird made reference to this fugure, which he stated was somewhere between $50 and $60B.

I believe an alternate approach is to use nuclear power without selling credits (use the money right here). Our heavy water Candu reactors can use spent fuel rods (one light water reactors spent rods can fuel three Candu reactors). This is a huge market for Canada. Here is our chance to make $megatonnes, without destroying our economy or shipping money offshore. Of course, we would not be compliant with Kyoto, given the lead time to build reactors, such as 10 - 20 to replace natural gas in oilsands:

http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/180615

We have the best, safest nuclear reactors in the world that actually use nuclear waste. This is our ace in the hole. My NDP friends on the west coast have no problem with this approach. I've been told NDP supporters in Ont still crusading against nuclear power there. Funny how Dion OK with nuclear power in BC interview, but not in Ont. Hmmm.

"They are arrogant, weak and stupid"

The corresponding view, of course, is that all albertans are ignorant rednecks, too dim to make a living wihout the blessing of oil up to their butts, who spend most of their time bragging about how clever they. Yee. Haw.

But that's just stupid bigotry and I don't agree. BTW, not too sure i want to be your countryman, jimbo.

Before you dump on the idiots in Ontario too much (I'm one of them...yes, I left the door open for an insult), consider the potential that a person's opinion is strongly influenced by the media. In Ontario, most of the newspapers and all(?) of the TV outlets are liberal-biased...is this the same in Alberta? Is it possible that the media outlets (particularly newspapers) have a better balance of Liberal / Conservative bias?

As Will Rogers said "All I know is what I read in the newspapers". It may not be that Ontarians are inherently stupid...it may be that we are more liberally programmed. To get the more of the morons in Ontario on-side, address the overwhelming liberal bias of the print media.

The Tory MP's should be sending newsletters (previous Liberal MP's did that) to all of their constituents identifying their take on all of the issues clearly and succinctly to bypass the media. They should include a booklet outlining the issues in more detail...such as the impact of Kyoto, and the war in Afghanistan. The newsletter can be partisan but the booklet should be as non-partisan as possible, including an honest pro and con assessment...let Canadians decide for themselves.

PMSH needs to go to the public directly about this upcoming vote and make a plea to all opposition MP's to the effect that Canadians DO NOT WANT ANOTHER ELECTION, so don't force one by voting for an unachievable motion that the Government cannot reasonably support and that the Liberals have previously admitted couldn't be achieved. Take a principled stand on the issue and show that you are considerate of the public's dislike of another election.

Eeyore: try reading the "Redmonton Journal" or the Calgary Herald, neither are paragons of right wing thinking. We have our socialistas here as well. If you want redneck news read the Edmonton or Calgary Sun, if you like hokiness. Our Tv stations are feeds from Troronto via CTV or Global, (I won't mention the CBC - I just spit on the ground on them) the local stations carry local news, just like everywhere else, but the "national" fabric comes out of central Canada. And as for idiots in Ontario - they might like to consider that their kids are now working here in ALberta - hell, I've been here for 30 years, born and bred Taronna! Check the licence plates driving around Calgary today, lots from the 416/905 area, so there must be a few smart ones bailing out on the socialist/control freak world of Duhlton McSquander. Plenty of oilmend downtown are from Ontario, you'd be hard pressed to find a true blue Albertan downtown, we are all from somewhere else.

What's your point? Autoworkers are better employees? Do you think that just because we are fortunate to have oil & gas riches our jobs are worth anything less? Or are you another snide Ontarioan who thinks all that we do is work for "izzy money"? Come out and do my job, it isn't "izzy money" it's 24/7 in all weather. Besides, I seem to remember that oil was discovered around Petrolia Ontario only a hundred years ago, gas wells today are drilled from barges in Lake Erie to fuel industry and heat homes in southern Ontario, that had or has no value in your opinion? That smug, smarmy, snobby SOUTHERN ONTARIO attitude does not go over well even in the more remote parts of Ontario, go visit North Bay, Sudbury or Red Lake, they don't like you any more than we do, sport, I know because I worked in those areas in the mining business.

"" How long would it take for the Globe and Mail and CBC and even CTV to plaster Baird's threat across its news pages? A week? Or a minute?""

Exactly.
Th amazing thing is that there are still people who claim that the same media are unfair and biased against the LIeberals!

just-thinking: I wasn't trying to suggest that you have NO liberally-biased newspapers...I was ASKING if there are AS MANY as here. My own ignorant expectation was that there was likely a better balance of right and left-leaning newspapers in Alberta compared to Ontario.

By the way, I'm one of the "smug, smarmy, snobby SOUTHERN ONTARIO" folks...I just happen to be conservative. ;)

Hey Eyore,
I lived most of my years in southern Ontario and now I look over there and think "What the heck happened to you people?"
I think it had something to do when they voted Buffalo Bob and the Goat Herders in. Glad to hear they still have a few sharp conservatives. How you breathe with all of the socialist laden air there, is beyond me.

As another Ontario conservative, I am amazed that there has not been more support in the west for a separation movement. The media and the Lieberals have had a cozy relationship for decades now. They wouldn't even blink at the suggestion of nationalizing the oil industry (NEP) again, if there were no major political consequences. If there were a stronger separatist movement our west, the people in the east would take notice. I think it would, frankly, scare us more than the treat of Quebec separating. Two things would happen: 1) The west's issues would get more attention and consideration; and 2) If the Governing Party of Canada did push through another round of punish-the-west legislation to pander to its eastern base, the western provinces could actually pull the plug (Thank Jean for the Clarity Act). I'd move west in a heartbeat if we could get out from under this perpetual socialist cloud that portrays a midle of the road party like the current PCP (Kyoto lite, tax cuts that are all but invisible, spending way above inflation, etc.) look like the far right. Please, you westerners - Get Moving before it's too late!

Susan exhibited her great math skills today in her story on the new committee to oversee the appointment of judges. 33 named, 16 of them with conservative ties, and she says over 50% partisan appointments. In QP today that was picked up, also, and everyone has forgotten that during the liberals reign it was 100% liberal on every committee, judgeship, SCC and many more, and qualifications was based on how much money you gave, even it was recycled from brown paper bags. Hey, another adscam trial is starting today with the selection of a jury. Great timeing if an election is on the way.
And wasn't it the opposition that vetoed Harpers choice for a man to oversee all appointments to get it out of committees. Now they blame him for breaking a promise by not doing that. Just because Martin appointted someone vetoed by the opposition, they thought Harper would do the same thing, so they could pounce on him.

Mark Holland has gone silent. Not a word from one of the biggest mouths in the Liberal fold.
His role was to attack, Pitt Bull style.

What the hell happened? The guy doesn't even take part in 'Statements by Members' pre QP.
Sure hope his dog House is heated, Global warming has left us for an extended period.

The Liberals with their crony’s the MSM remind me of two Aides victims who think if they keep up enough intercourse their curse of a disease (Conservatives) will go away.

They only sicken each other more in this disco of the dead. For dying are both institutions. When is anyone's guess. Before or after Alberta leaves is debatable.

We will not forget this . Just another nail in their own coffins. The MSM is fast becoming irrelevant. My advise or ward. Buy your neighbors a computer. Send like I did letters to your MP's. Over this shameful Holland Blackout. Shame the papers that have shut up.

This Country is in deep trouble when omission becomes the order of the day. For ideological if not monetary reasons. Obviously truth means nothing to these charlatans, called the press.

The quiet by our own politicians bodes ill as well. Ed made an effort, but we need a cannon not a dog whistle to wake the Nation to this faction.

As one poster put it we can’t have a Fox Canada too soon. The National should be chucked & a real news dissembler to replace these dogmatic, ego juiced odes to socialism.

Just my opinion.

Iberia suffers from the most extreme degree of leftist mental disorder. Perhaps a ten year vacation to a really nice, comfy, padded room will help to sooth what ails him.

Notice all the flak that the Harper has recived over the income trust decision. It is rarely reported that the ndp and the bloc also support thier decision and only the liberals are against. Also last week,liberal finance critic mcgollum was asked if the liberals would reverse the decision if they regained power. He replied that they would have to study the issue. What crap. They know the issue,they would just have to line up thier friends to recieve maximum profit and then they would change it.

Ahhh, Bruce...your mommy is letting you use the computer again, I see.

Kate:

Obtuse? No, just not paranoid...which is what people are when they begin to infer things from what is NOT said. Furthermore, if what Holland said was so inflammatory, why isn't Harper on the attack? Where's the Conservative party? Are they part of the vast Liberal/Left-wing/MSM conspiracy?

In an interview with David Akin, Holland has categorically denied plans for nationalization:

"REPORTER: Your comments made a lot of people out west nervous. Are you willing to say now that you did or did not mean nationalizing the oil industry?

"HOLLAND: I absolutely didn't mean that, and that's a complete twist and perversion of what I said. What I said was that everybody has to be part of the solution here..."

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/2/8/2718851.html

So, I suppose Holland means what he doesn't say but doesn't mean what he says?

If anyone needed any confirmation that this has become a Religion that brooks no decent. Read from the black well of the meddler in print in my opinion. Bill Kaufmann "Socialist at large" column. It sounds positively like where to back burning, like its 1199

http://calgarysun.canoe.ca/NewsStand/News/Columnists/Kaufmann_Bill/2007/02/12/3596069-sun.html

Was listening to CBC news on my drive to Campbell River this early AM (CBC may be bad media, but they do have good reception), listening to a discussion on the 'spin' that government - particularly Stephen Harper's government - attempts to force on an otherwise fair and balanced media.

The only talking heads apparently available were Sue Delacourt, that old whore Jim Munson (former broadcaster, advisor to Chretien and now Liberal Senator) and another reporter (Kim Someone) from the Toronto Star. Both Delacourt and the T.S. reporter took particular pains to paint the National Post as a 'bought and paid for' corporate entity, a tool of the meanspirited and duplicitous Conservatives.

Boy, it's a small bathtub and there's hardly enough water for all to slake their collective thirst.

I agree with Gord Tulk above. We need a Fox Canada channel. I would be willing to donate to such an endeavor.

Iberai "So, I suppose Holland means what he doesn't say but doesn't mean what he says?"

Idiot, go back to your sandbox.