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February 8, 2007

Mark Holland's Cirque De Syncrude

Via David Akin, paraphrased;

He was for "consequences" for the oil industry before he was against nationalization, before he was for "limits" on oil sands expansion before he was against limiting expansion, before he was for a "cap" on oil sands emissions before he was against a cap on expansion, before he was against growth of the auto industry plant in his home riding that has no hope in Hell of expanding, and he is for Albertans who are also for him.

Faster, please.

Another, somewhat longer transcript. Holland's serpentine backpedalling act was nearly as good on Mike Duffy Live.


Update - Conservative MP Diane Ablonczy (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, CPC) : "Mr. Speaker, a Liberal has slipped up and given Canadians a glimpse of the Liberal's secret agenda."

Previous posts.


Posted by Kate at February 8, 2007 12:16 PM
Comments

There will be consequences for backpeddling.

Posted by: shaken at February 8, 2007 12:52 PM

What I didn’t like was Duffy and Fife helping to resuscitate the image of Holland in their banter afterwards.

They were falling all over themselves as to how Holland was a brilliant young man and “Cabinet material” … I felt like asking them …are we about to see another Damascus conversion and floor crossing? How’s he going to get into Cabinet?

Posted by: nomdenet at February 8, 2007 1:14 PM

Soooo,,,in "Lib-speek" the non nationalization of provincial resources is "capping", or "Restricting" or "regulating" by Ottawa stomping into their jurisdictions....er uh I mean "co-operating" with a made in Ottawa policy in exclusive Provincial jurisdiction?? Ahem! Yes I see the difference 8-/

I wish the reporters were a little more aggressive in making Holland explain how he thinks that the exclusive constitutional right of the provinces to "cap-regulate-control" their natural resources can be directed by anyone other than the constituents and governments of those provinces.

This whole clomate change kyoto hobby horse the Libs are riding is soooo divisive and soooo unneccessary...as well as imposible for Ottawa to enforce.

Holland can take his "consequences" and use them for a suppository....probably the most dangerous thing about the left politicizing environmental issues and science is that once corrupted, valid environment concerns get lost in the hysteria over politicized issues.

I applaud Harper for trying to channel all this lefish climate hysteria into making concrete efforts in tackling real pollution and environmental conservation issues.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 8, 2007 1:27 PM

Technology will keep the oil sands from killing Canada'a obligations to cut Co2 emissions, according to Dion and company. But what if it doesn't? Then what do the Lib's propose? Hmm, direct intervention perhaps? A little nationalization?

The Lib strategy is to whip Alberta to buy votes in Toronto and Quebec. Co2 emiisions are the most politcaly correct way to do so.

Posted by: Cardstonkid at February 8, 2007 1:37 PM

Duffy, Fife et al were merely praising twit Holland as an guy with Ministerial qualities, whatever the hell that is in the Librano Party. They'll be forming a fan club and giving him lots of air, which he's full of.

Having mouthy Holland on with the Liberal provincial leader was some kind of debate now wasn't it?
Duffy can be all smarmy and sweet but his colors show through, he can't help himself, and he too is full of himself, the "Old Duff" indeed.

Not sorry, I'm just sick of the lot of them.

Posted by: Liz J at February 8, 2007 1:46 PM

Interesting. How very big of David Akin to react to the indignation of right wing bloggers. Is it just me or does anybody else get the sense that David is somehow annoyed at the pesky right wing bloggers who had the gaul to question the focus of the MSM?

It seems that he is grudgingly responding with his above linked post. Regardless he did respond and for that I'll give him credit.

I was busy last night and did not catch any of the big three national broadcasts. Can anyone tell me if any of this line of questioning of Mr. Holland made the airways or was this not newsworthy.

I did catch Puffy Live and as Nomdenet noted, Puffy and Fife did their best to pass this off a a junior MP who made a rhetorical slip and was learning from the experience. I guess this absolves Dion and the LPC of any hidden agenda...nothing to see here folks....move along.

I'm sure Holland can develop into prime LPC cabinet material...he only needs to become more "nuanced" when stating his positions. Because LPC politics is all about nuance.

Syncro

Posted by: Syncrodox at February 8, 2007 1:52 PM

Someone asked how Holland would get into cabinet?
Let's consider the source of those musings, Duffy and Fife of the MSM cabal, they're busy working to get the freaking Liberals back to power that's how.
No one can get back at those partisan wags, they cover their asses at every turn. Only a little bit of the "other" side gets heard.

Posted by: Liz J at February 8, 2007 1:53 PM

"What I didn’t like was Duffy and Fife helping to resuscitate the image of Holland in their banter afterwards."

And also Tonda McCharles, late of the CBC, now of the Star. Amen, nomdenet.

Holland also showed poor judgment by participating in a CBC documentary about the leadership, in which he admits prior to the vote that there is a deal between Kennedy and Dion. Kennedy was widely quoted denying the existence of such a deal after the vote. But then Kennedy's future cabinet material too, so why challenge him either?

http://joantintor.blogspot.com/search?q=mark+holland

Posted by: Joan Tintor at February 8, 2007 1:55 PM

Can you imagine the hooooooowls of indignation if an Alberta MP had come out and said:

" Quebec, we are going to nationalize your hydro output so we can build an east west grid"

"If you don't agree, there will be consequences"

Posted by: Fred at February 8, 2007 2:19 PM

It is indeed a circus!
After the better part of a week spent running away from the Holland story these bozos come out trying to run a PR damage control campaign for the twit.
Well CTV is still getting government subsidies and CBC depends on them.....let's pull the freekin plug NOW!

Posted by: OMMAG at February 8, 2007 2:28 PM

And who did Duffy have on his show representing Alberta? Why, the leader of the Liberal party of Alberta. Some dork named Taft, I think.

It's a surprise to me that Alberta even has a provincial Liberal party. Do they even have any seats?

Posted by: irwin daisy at February 8, 2007 2:41 PM

Watching Mike Duffy Live is akin to sitting in on afternoon tea.
Everyone knows their parameters and all is so disarmingly smug.
I guess its all about "don't rock the boat ; we're all in the know aren't we " (said as a forgone conclusion) and " we'll all get through this minor unpleasant setback and then things will get back to normal "(meaning a Liberal election victory).
Ha! Don't these deluded individuals who peddle 'The Canadian Values' realize that there is no going back whatever the outcome of the next election.
These people need help: To be saved from themselves

Posted by: Simon at February 8, 2007 2:46 PM

Just proves libs not ready for Prime time.


If Harper is true to form he will deliver a deal soon that solves the issue....ie "I am here today to announce the building of a carbon sequestering facility funded in part by the Federal Government, the Givernmet of Alberta but largely by the participants in the oil sands.

Our environment is too important to play political games with, so while the Liberals and the NDP issue threats and take no action Canada's new government quietly went about working with the province and the industry to get things done."

Wouldnt shick me at all to see an announcemnet like this in the next few months.....btw not endorsing the sequestering technology as I have no idea if it works, but it is used as an example.

Of course Coyne will flip at the government spending....:->

Posted by: Stephen at February 8, 2007 3:02 PM

i'm waiting for '22 minutes' to send up The PuffDaddy.

maybe a long wait, as they don't want to spoof their own (read liberal loving, MSM maritimer).

Posted by: aj in calgary at February 8, 2007 3:04 PM

Thanks Liz J, but you beg another question.. How could Duffy possibly cover his ass?

Posted by: nomdenet at February 8, 2007 3:06 PM

I had the same feeling as many of the previous commentors. Duffy handled Mark Holland with kid gloves. They all tried to brush this off as a one time error in judgement. No one mentions the fact that he spouted the same garbage on teh David Rutherford Show at 770 Calgary. If you want to hear it is in their audio vault at 10 am on Fri Feb 2.

The other point I found somewhat disconcerting is the fact that Duffy was scolding Charles Adler for exposing Holland's true beliefs. Isn't this what journalists are supposed to do? I guess the MSM only tries to get to the truth when dealing with those scary conservatives.

As a little aside I looked at most of the comments at the Globe and Mail in regards to the Garth Turner Circus. The comments are overwhelmingly pro conservative and anti liberal. Hopefully this attitude translates into a majority for PMSH.

It amazes me how many of these Liberals can only comment on Stephen Harper being a control freak. they can't tell the difference between dicipline and control.

Posted by: Lakeshore Observer at February 8, 2007 3:06 PM

Mr Duffy did not play the follwing quote: "If they refuse to work with us....there will be consequences." So, he played softball with Mr Holland. I sent an email to Mr Hollnads riding Association and asked for "clarification". I'm still waiting for an answer.

Posted by: just-thinking at February 8, 2007 3:11 PM

As long as Duffy and Fife and anyone else strokes Mike Holland's ego to make him actually believe that he's brilliant and on his way to being a great minister someday, he will continue to flap at the mouth.

Mike Holland would do well to sit back, shut up and learn.....especially about the people out west, which he seems to know nothing about.

Posted by: anonymous at February 8, 2007 3:17 PM

What we are seeing, within the Liberal ranks, is effectively the totalitarian use of the environment. That is - the Liberals are using the emotional bonds of 'purity, Mother Nature' - to hide their moving into a totalitarian mode of governance. This mode will enable them to tax and remove monies from one part of Canada to bribe other parts of Canada. It's the same tactics as Adscam.

Posted by: ET at February 8, 2007 3:40 PM

This guy is like a cross between a windup doll and a bobble head that only spews out useless virile Liberal attacks. If he's like John Nunziata, as Charles Adler claims, then government members better don their protective headgear because you never know what this guy is capable of once his staffers wind him up in the morning.

Posted by: Scott at February 8, 2007 3:48 PM

No questions from Holland in QP today, and I didn't even see him. What happened to all the green ribbons on the liberals. Must have got the message green is the color of terrorists. In fact, it would be a true color for the liberals, they are out to terrorize all parts of canada except toronto and quebec. Iggy was again very condesending in his questions, and made a very uncomplimentary remark re Khan.

Posted by: mary T. at February 8, 2007 3:58 PM

I kinda liked how Duffy schooled him on what politics really is - saying that perceived distortions are in play and are simply "politics" and that your original words are what counts, not any clarification that comes a week later.

Duffy seemed to treat Holland like I would a co-worker's son on "Bring Your Kid To Work Day" - let the young lad try to work a tool or a machine then laugh about it and tell him that you'll be able to use that properly when you're older.

Posted by: alan at February 8, 2007 4:23 PM

Re Question Period in the House of Commons: Mr Ignatief is really scarey looking! He stands up very slowly, speaks very slowly, and looks really frightening, to me anyway. But have you noticed that other Libs sitting behind Mr Dion cannot help but grin while their exalted leader is asking a quiestion? They haven't a clue what he is saying and neither has anyone else.

Posted by: Shirley at February 8, 2007 4:30 PM

Keep an eye on CPAC in the 'wee' hours.

Last night they had the Feb 5th session for the newly minted Bill C-30,on the environment.

The CBC and CTV carried part of the to and fro with Baird today, as most will know.

CPAC hopefully will show the full sessions late tonight, and possibly repeat in the days ahead.

It is worth watching to see where the emphasis really stays.

Holland is on that committee.

Posted by: Buffalo Bean at February 8, 2007 4:33 PM

Duffy and the rest will paint this over with a big happy pink brush.

I expect that the libs will pull in the blatherers like they did with Trudeau when he was unpopular, they had other less hated puppets to puke out the message.

Posted by: cal2 at February 8, 2007 4:49 PM

Watching PuffDuffy leading the pack in a chorus of "Kum By Ya, Oh Lieberal" was truly disgusting. And what is with the "cabinet material" references anyhow? Does it mean that Holland is as dense as particle board because the only realistic way he can become cabinet material in parliament is by crossing the floor (at the soon-to-be erected crosswalk).

Scary part is that if Fluffy was the only source of news you had then you would come away with an entirely different outlook on what you thought were all the facts.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at February 8, 2007 4:52 PM

HOLLAND HAS BEEN SILENCED. He was in the House today, no voice. STARK CONTRAST from his usual daily rantings, that's the glaringly obvious change.
But hey, that's ok, he's a Lieberal!!!! If that were to happen to a Conservative the LEADER of the party would be called a CONTROL FREAK!!!!
Damn Bastards! DION or his MANAGER(S) is/are CONTROL FREAKS>

Posted by: Liz J at February 8, 2007 4:57 PM

mike duffy and robert fife havn't me a lieberal ass yet they couldn't get their lips around, holland is just one more. Go ahead you stupid media people, champion the stinking, thieving perverts in the lieberal party until you get them back in then watch them start nep#2 and watch the economy tank you self loathing self hating media morons will pull your aprons up over your 2 faces and scream for it to stop, and if there are any of you worth a pinch of shit you'll be at your avowed enemys doorstep looking for a job, in the U.S. I hope they piss on all of you.

Posted by: bartinsky at February 8, 2007 5:12 PM

I'm not sure what I desire more...
1. Idiot Liberals like Holland spouting off the PC doctrine that gets votes in Ontario and PQ that would lead to a Liberal majority raping Alberta and us responding by divorcing the abuser by becoming an independant republic...or...
2. Idiot Liberals like Holland spouting off the PC doctrine that people in Ontario, PQ and the Rest of Canada would see through that would lead to a Conservative majority and becoming a true free nation with a strong economy etc.

Is it me or does Mark Holland look like Cosmo Kramer's younger brother?

Posted by: "Biff at February 8, 2007 5:18 PM

It is so good to hear that Marky Mark has stopped parading around in his green shorts. :)

Posted by: Joe Canuck at February 8, 2007 5:23 PM

Mike Duffy to Holland, "you had me at hello Mark".

Posted by: multirec at February 8, 2007 5:41 PM

Geez, Louise.  Somebody musta peed in Paul Wells' cornflakes this morning.

I wonder if he'd refer to the next premier of Quebec as that "barking new premier"?

Posted by: Garth Wood at February 8, 2007 5:42 PM

Bairds announcement of no carbon trading and no money being sent out of the country for fake carbon credits would have been greeted with glee by anyone but our fifth column media.

Posted by: cal2 at February 8, 2007 6:17 PM

E-mail your comments to Mike Duffy at Duff@ctv.ca

Posted by: westerner at February 8, 2007 7:28 PM

E-mailing Mike Duffy would be a waste of time. It may give him pause IF he got enough negative ones.
No way he'll ever change his leanings. Don't expect an answer either unless you tickle his ego.

Sadly, the majority of the Media in Canada is Liberal/Left. They've been fed the easy stories and wined and dined for years and are not about to be weaned easily and without malice.
They're not worth a pinch of coon shit collectively and definitely a waste of time to count on for the un-spun facts, they just don't know how to be straight with the facts.


Posted by: Liz J at February 8, 2007 8:00 PM

Garth said: "Geez, Louise. Somebody musta peed in Paul Wells' cornflakes this morning.

I wonder if he'd refer to the next premier of Quebec as that "barking new premier"?"

Don't sweat the flyweights...Wells is as popular as a yeast infection west of Rosedale.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 8, 2007 8:44 PM

Mark Holland's arrogant talk about nationalizing the oil industry and his mealy-mouthed denials (hey Mark why don't you just call all us ignorant rednecks who aren't smart enough to comprehend the words flowing out of your frothing mouth?) reminds me of the two hillbillies from the Ottawa Ozarks that thought they could take over and run the oil industry in the 1980s.

What is it about these nutcase megalomaniacs that keep crawling out the rotten wood down east?

Posted by: rockyt at February 8, 2007 8:47 PM

Hey Biff:

Holland could be Cosmo Kramer's brother, but he actually reminds me more of Gary Oldman's Dracula or Buster Poindexter of "Hot Hot Hot " fame. And don't forget the young Bowser of Sha Na Na.

Posted by: Cicero at February 8, 2007 9:55 PM

Don't they have any throat specialists in Ottawa to treat Hollands lost voice. And Harper is supposed to be the control freak. Wonder how garth is taking this muzzling of a liberal, after all his crap about Harper not letting anyone speak. The fact holland is quiet is proof that the liberals are afraid of the fallout of his words. If they don't agree with him, he should be made to apologize for embarassing his god dion.
His words will be repeated like the beer and popcorn stmt. Even Stelmach repeated them today.

Posted by: mary T. at February 8, 2007 10:02 PM

To read another article By Mr.Adler on the subject of the Mark Holland Blackout. With the media 's lack of interest, till the Blog explosion forced them too.

Thank you Kate for being one of the focal points of that eruption.

This is a great article & it seems he himself is not too keen on the MSM any more. He got bit. Now he knows the feeling. Bet this changes his programs a might as well. Its an exclusive at Bourque.

http://www.bourque.org/notes.html

Posted by: Revnant Dream at February 8, 2007 10:41 PM

mary T..Dion wouldn't/couldn't be the control freak...in fact it liiks like he has been muzzled.Any guesses on who really holds the puppet strings in that group?
Bottom line:
-hint of cheesy sexist exchange in HoC(no threats to anyone else in Canada..all over MSM for a week or more.
-blatant comment on Lib policy with poteential affect on many Canadians: blips in the papers,and interpretation by 'Duff and Fife Inc'.
Let them try to deny bias.


Posted by: vf at February 8, 2007 10:47 PM

And wasn't it holland who first made a remark/question about a dog.

Posted by: mary T. at February 8, 2007 11:22 PM

sry fr speling errors...fatigue!
Holland or Mcguinty?

Posted by: vf at February 8, 2007 11:27 PM

Mark did look quite sullen in QP today. While Marlene Jennings was ranting in french, Mark could be seen behind her, eyes rolling as if he might fall asleep. Was not allowed to have his ten coffees as usual before QP. Slows him down a bit.

Posted by: Soccermom at February 9, 2007 12:39 AM

I am looking at a June 18/1990 issue of The Alberta Report, with the cover story of Clyde Wells saying I HAD TO REFUSE TO AGREE. re meech lake. Harper should do the same thing, have a press stmts, explaining all the economic and other disaster in the wings if kyoto targets are met. Explain how it would affect everyone, and how buying credits would in no way reduce ghg and end by saying FOR THE GOOD OF ALL CANADIANS, I HAVE TO REFUSE TO AGREE WITH THE LIBERAL PLAN TO DEVESTATE CANADAS ECONOMY SO MO STRONG AND HIS ALLIES CAN POCKET THE CARBON CREDIT MONEY.
So, we have another cdn supposedly being tortured in China (our liberal friendly country) How much will he cost us.

Posted by: mary T. at February 9, 2007 1:08 AM

Soccermom, Holland looked a bit groggy, sedation maybe? After all, the MSM call him a Pitt Bull and Pitt Bulls are not willingly docile.

I'd want to have a very strong sedative to sit anywhere near Marlene Jennings, she's one obnoxious puke.

Posted by: Liz J at February 9, 2007 8:08 AM

How long will holland have to sit in the corner.
Three cheers for Diane, I knew there would be a response when the opportunity arose. Wonder if Newman will comment on it. I also wonder if the msm would be giving wall to wall coverage if all the comments in We will not Forget, were supporting quebec separation.

Posted by: mary T. at February 9, 2007 1:44 PM
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