Missing "l" on ".html" in the link, Kate.

Prisoner abuse in Afghanistan?
CONSIDER THE SOURCE AND TAKE NOTE OF THE PERSON MAKING THE ACCUSATIONS.
What are his links to inside information?

Since when do people fight in battles and not come out with a few battle scars?
We are fighting people who routinely chop off people's heads, their called terrorists.

What lengths people will go to discredit our Military! The NDP and Liberals, hypocrites all,are first onto the "story" and the Media hoards are lapping it up.
The last straw is equating it with the Airborne abuse scandal of years ago. Outrageous.

We should worry about what's in and going on in this Country, including what's sitting in the Opposition seats in our Parliament.
What a sorry lot.

Thanks - linke fixed.

Thanks for the tip, Vitruvius.

Whether or not one of our soldiers beat up a detainee aside - the investigations will determine that in due course - what amazes me is that a law professor's "working hypothesis" (his words, not mine) are front-page news in some of the most influential newspapers in the country two days running now. And the potential Canadian abuse isn't even his main thrust; Attaran's big concern is the fact that we hand over prisoners to the Afghans and Americans without checking up on them afterwards.

Which means that even if his sensationalist allegations against Canadian soldiers prove false, the story will continue to have legs because of his and the media's dislike of standing Canadian policy.

I'm going to be putting up a more detailed post on this issue over at The Torch later today.

This crap was all over cbc yesterday,biggest offender was Van Dusen.Asking Lib.mp's if they smelled a cover up.Never wait for the facts to emerge Julie,never let an opportunity to slag the military,PMSH,the Cons,get away from you!Nevermind the fact,that you have zero credibility,but I guess what happened with your co-worker and her blatant lies (Lawand),didn't teach you anything.You,Boag,Newman etc.are disgusting pieces of trash,and I would assume anything that comes out of your mouths is garbage...that has been proven time and again.

It's interesting that the allegation that 3 detainees were slapped around a bit in a war zone merits sprawling front page coverage in the Globe. But, for example, the fact that a pedophile released after a couple years goes on to abduct and rape a child usually warrants a mention on A9 of same paper, if at all.

Is the one more important than the other? Only to the low brow imbeciles in the press.

never call them terrorists the MSM cannot relate to what you speak of. In the MSM they are called insurgents, rebels, opposition forces,taliban fighters.

I wish some of these journalists would imbed themeselves ala George Plimpton style and witness these terrorists on their mission.

Abuse is one of CBCpravda's main lines , it is used more often than "critics say"
Its covers everything. residential school abuse(do your homework) , prisoner abuse( where is your base?), spouse abuse.(28000 hits on the pravda search engine)

however, getting your head sawed off by a Taliban is a statement by insurgents.

Military probes abuse allegations in Afghanistan.

Last Updated: Tuesday, February 6, 2007 | 10:36 AM ET
CBC News

Military officials are investigating allegations three Afghan prisoners were abused while in the custody of Canadian soldiers.

The allegations come from University of Ottawa law Prof. Amir Attaran, based on government documents he obtained under the Access to Information Act.

The University Professor is of course a Muslim, more than likely put up to this by the hissing snakes at CAIR.

He alleges two of the prisoners have cuts and bruises on their faces, which proves that they were abused by the military. Not that they received a couple of scratches while resisting arrest.

Of course the fact that one was arrested for posessing bomb making materials and another for spying on our military has nothing to do with it.

They are Muslim afterall, so due to Islamophobia and profiling, they must be innocent. Even in a war zone. Even with feral savages who blow themselves up and cut off the heads of innocent civilians. Etc. Etc.

Posted by: irwin daisy at February 6, 2007 12:44 PM

In the past, Amir Attaran would have been arrested as an enemy spy. His purpose is not so-called 'human rights abuses'. That is his clever cover. He is using our laws and values against us, in order to support the jihad.

(The enemy infiltrator known as) Attaran's last effort was to have the Geneva enemy combatant rules applied to jihad prisoners. The problem is jihadi Islamofascists, especially the Taliban, are not recognized soldiers of any country's military. So, in its present form, the Geneva rules do not apply.

But, obviously, he's still trying to cripple our military effort any way he can.

This is coming out now because there is going to be a Spring budget. The newspapers are all over it because of the impending election. The Libs are trying to take a page out of the Dems playbook...they are going to try to make the same arguements and somehow equate the goings on in Afghanistan with those in Iraq. Prepare to see our brave men and women and the work they do get dragged through the mud for Liberal public gain and a media storyline all the while "supporting" our troops.

It should be of even more concern Attaran has a professorial tenure at one of our Universities.

How about we demand a reverse investigation, investigate the accuser? Let's hope it's already in progress.

This is one of the more troubling "stories" we've had and even more troubling that the Lefties of all colors are marching with it.
Who's bloody side are they on?

"In the past, Amir Attaran would have been arrested as an enemy spy. His purpose is not so-called 'human rights abuses'. That is his clever cover. He is using our laws and values against us, in order to support the jihad."

Are you making this assumption based on his name? I've done a fair bit of Googling and I can't turn up a single hyperlink that links this fellow to Islamic extremism.

The research I've done shows the man to be highly intelligent (he holds both law and science degrees) and highly principled. He's definitely not your usual lefty as he is in favour of the use of DDT for combating malaria and he has criticized Doctors Without Borders on occasion, which is anathema to most on the left.

I think the real villain here is the Canadian media, which is distorting Mr. Attaran's complaint.

What the MSM should be concentrating on is questioning the motives of the oppostion and this professor in bringing this crap forward. Additionally, this all happened under the LIBS did it not? Where were they. How does this reflect on the current government?

Once again the MSM is displaying its HUGE left wing bias and seems to not care one iota for being fair and balanced.

We need a FOX Canada. I'm sure the CRTC would never OK it but maybe someone could get a video newshow going on the net. There are still many people who prefer to watch someone tell them what is happening as opposed to reading. I'd really like to see a fair and balanced news program get going in this country. I'm sure it would clobber CTV and CBC in the ratings as FOX news has done in the states.

Amir Attaran himself should be investigated.

cbc plays "abuse card" against Cons.inaction again this morn.A Lib.mp..replete with hangdog look,accusing PMSH of ignoring allegation of abuse by Celil.Dopey Dan McTeague saying that PMSH should make direct call to China,instead of doing nothing..says it was all over G&M,so it must be gospel! Don't I remember this same dork slamming PMSH for speaking out about this same file????? And were these same Lib.mouthpieces not the most outspoken about PMSH "meddling" in this same countries affairs? Talk about waffling!

My heart goes out to the girls and guys that just came .What an awful way for the media to say 'welcome back'. All the more reason for us to do it ourselves the right way.

So when will we have to pay those poor terrorists millions of dollars. Arar set the example and the libranos feel so sorry for them. Send jvd to Afgan and put her out there without the protection of our troops. Maybe those poor terrorists who want to cut off her head would at least give her a decent hairdo. What is it with liberal reporters, they have a thing against hairdressers. Did some union go on strike years ago and she is still supporting them by not crossing a picket line to get her hair done.

Odd how this claim of abuse comes just after the Arar Cash-4-life settlement of $10.5 million dollars for "Alleged" torture , CAIR-canada was behind forcing the Inquiry by threatening us with a $400'000'000.00 dollars law Suit for what Arar's homeland of Syria Allegedly did to him .
Arar and his lawyer insisted that an Apology and financial redress was not meant to assign guilt and blame against Canada, but now we see that that's exactly what CAIR is posting on their website , plus , they now allege that Zaccardelli had to quit because of his actions in causing Arar to be deported on false evidence.
The Al-Qaeda manual makes it clear that the first thing to do when caught by the western Security forces is to Allege Torture while in jail, it then coaches the Jihadists to get a Muslim on the outside to start a smear campaign to taint the Trial and any evidence , it also endorses holding Justice-marches for the media to film as to give creedence to the claims of torture, after all.....non-Muslims will see the rallies and assume there must be torture because who would lie to the media and Government about Islamophobia and racism that lead to torture in jail.
Arar's wife followed the exact stragedy and Taliban Jack was suckered into this scam that failed to detail Arar's activities prior to selling his home and fleeing Canada for Tunisia , Arar was denied entry to the USA and Jordan was the only Nation that would take him in on a flight from JFK.
The whahabbi based CAIR canada that tried to bring Sharia-law to canada will be part of a Arar "Victory" dinner on the 14th and it will promote a Scholarship for Law students in Ottawa that fight for Human Rights in canada , so just connect the dots and see how the whole Arar affair and CAIR's crusade to impose Sharia-Law on us has all the fingerprints of Al-Qaeda .
CAIR has ties to Hamas and Hezbollah fund raising and stands to benefit from Arar's Millions which are tax-free , Layton and Chow should be arrested and charged with treason for their aiding and abetting the terrorist org.'s that fund raise in canada as a charity fighting for Justice.
Lets demand an Inquiry into the alleged Islamist Mosques in canada that are alleged to have terror cells allegedly plotting to slaughter us by the thousands , oh wait , islam means peace and Chretien assured us there were no terrorist in Canada.

I'm speculating, but I think that the political scene is going to get very bad, and that these types of accusations are going to increase. I think it's part of a Liberal strategy. Consider the situation.

The Liberals are in a bad situation; they still have the Sponsorship scandal hanging over them. They attempt to deal with that by denigrating people who bring up the topic as 'fixated', as obsessive etc. ie, according to the Liberals, Adscam MUST be forgotten.

Then, they are in trouble with Dion. He's not 'marketable'; no-one is buying. Since they don't have a marketable leader - then, how will they achieve their only goal - Winning Power/

I think they are therefore moving into a strategy which will denigrate in an emotional, hysteric and non-dialogic manner, everything the Conservatives have become aligned with. Rather similar to their Negative Ads - which were manipulative and malicious and pure emotion. Outside of evidence, reason.

So- since the Conservatives have become associated with Afghanistan, the Liberals are going to go all out, to denigrate that activity. Watch for more allegations, innuendoes etc etc.

Emissions and pollution? They've been doing that with Kyoto - ignoring their own lack of policies, and inaction. Mark Holland's strategy of closing down and taxing Alberta is, I suggest, their basic plan. But the reaction was so violent in the blogs that the Liberals immediately silenced him. Remember, the Press is theirs - But, it's still their basic plan.

I'm going to suggest that the Liberals are going to increase the Negative Allegations - about everything. The agenda will be to put the Conservatives in a constant state of Defensive Reaction. The Liberals are trying to control the agenda.

And the MSM is their assistant. Consider that Harper made an extremely important speech yesterday outlining future plans for the gov't. Did the MSM cover it? No- they were focusing on Garth Turner and Amir Attman. And don't think that that wasn't carefully planned.

A smear campaign against Canadian troops is carried out by our media without questioning the source of the smears, he's given the benefit of the doubt - no questions asked. But the bastards in our media would never give our own troops the benefit of the doubt.

Leftist professor paradigm:

Terrorist = Innocent until proven guilty

Soldier = guilty, no trial necessary

MSM = standing for the oppressed everywhere, even the suicide bomber (after all, he is only railing against years of imperialist rule)

The behavior of the media and Opposition on this "story" is just too much to take, it's the bottom of the barrel, even for politics.

Philanthropist, you are right, they are bastards.
All the while they are spouting "we support the troops". They are liars and hypocrites.

Yesterday was another example of Media priorities, bumping the PM and giving the dog and pony show featuring Dion and Turner the big coverage and it means Nothing to Canadians, it's stupid political hi-jinx of amateur order.
God help Canada.

Prof. Amir Attaran, I thinks 6 weeks basic at Petawawa and a trip to Afstan is in order, and not as a concientious objector. Maybe you will get more of an appreciation of things local, from a combat soldier's and the local Afghani's perspective when you are on the receiving end of all those poor "insurgents" that you weep for.

I was amazed that it was in end of the world headlines above the fold in the globe.

Given that they are allegations etc it would have been more responsible to have placed this below the fold and give 1/4 page to 1/3 of a page max.

Serious allegations, treat them as such. One cannot help but wonder if there is an agenda at work.

If true punish those who engaged in it....if false I expect the Globe to publish in headlines as large.....Abuse Allegations Big Lie

same shit, different decade...just as predicted by me on SDA...they did the same thing to my brother on his return home from Somalia....wait for the howls of indignation from the moonbat/librano crowd...by the time they are done, the NDP will be floating a motion calling the troops terrorists(uh oh, already been done)...MOONBAT IDIOTS!...GO ARMY!

excellent summary of the good professor here . .

http://splatto.net/blog/?p=415

I have more concerns for voter abuse by the liberals, ndp and bloc.

In reality the cbc and ctv have abused cdns much worse than any soldier has abused a terrorist with a bomb.

CBC news had Lewis McKenzie on this morning....Heather the Hairhelmet Hiscox was doing her level best to smear the Canadian military as the retired General spoke common sense about the hysteria of the media and certain academics!
Absolutely disgusting behaviour by the CBC talking hair helmet.

Watching the protests against certain speakers, watching so called prof. try to inflame cdns against the troops, and numerouse other insane ideas coming out of the universities of canada and the US, I am beginning to wonder if the taliban killing teachers and burning schools is such a bad idea. We should be able to fire these idiots and expel the students. And the worst part is, some of these idiots might be the future liberal, ndp, leaders or mps.

I agree with Roger, who stated above that this is right out of the Al-Qaeda terrorist hand book.

Why do we drop everything and scramble to investigate at the faintest hint of an allegation by a muslim, when the shoe is on the other foot,we are all intolerant islamophobic bigots and racists?

Supposedly the good professor got his info thru the freedom of information act.

Since I don't imagine a file comes available thru that particular channel overnight, what will the media and the Liberals do when it turns out the alleged abuse happened while the Liberals were in power?

If this allegation turns out to be frivelous, our Al-Qaeda sympathizing professor should be sent a very large bill by the government.

I don’t see anything from googled info about Attaran that he has ever supported Islamofacism. Maybe the professor is being naively sincere when he says that he acting as a human rights advocate and hopes that he is wrong.

“Attaran also started the international campaign, which involved hundreds of scientists and Nobel laureates, to restore the indoors use of DDT in malaria control, and is credited with drafting the compromise in the Stockholm Convention which prohibited the ecotoxic use of DDT in agriculture, but allowed the life-saving use of DDT in public health.”

But the MSM is also sincere about its agenda and they’ll take things wherever they can find them.

The Toronto Star

“The allegation, if substantiated, could rock military morale and further undermine public support in Canada's dangerous and controversial mission in Kandahar.-- ---Since 2002, 44 Canadian soldiers and one diplomat have been killed there”

The Globe and Mail

“a full-blown board of inquiry yesterday to probe detainee treatment in Afghanistan as a political storm shook Ottawa over allegations that captives were beaten while in Canadian custody.”

CBC

“Forty-four soldiers and one diplomat have died since the mission started in 2002.”

I honestly do not know what the problem is.

Ok, a few prisoners are slapped around. If it is that much of a hassle, simply take no prisoners, shoot every SOB.

Julie Van Dusen't give a damn about Canada's military, and works for a Crappy Bent Corporation that seems to have no concept of the magnitude of what we, in Western democracies, are up against at the hands of Islamofascists in the ME and here.

Of course Julie Dusen't: She and her CBC colleagues are ensuring the trashing of Canada's democracy, and as she has no respect for it, she is blind to what's really at stake here. (Her strawberry blonde fright wig would actually benefit from a hijab--but I digress...)

I found it interesting that when being interviewed on the CBC about his intervention on behalf of these three Muslim detainees in Afghanistan, Professor Amir Attaran said that such an intervention could be entered into by "a lawyer like me or an ordinary citizen." He obviously thinks he's not "an ordinary citizen"--extraordinary perhaps?

I'm damned annoyed that he's wasting everybody's time. Perhaps he'd like to look into the atrocities the Islamofascists are perpertrating against Canadian forces and the deaths of Canadian soldiers at their hands: We're talking deaths here, not bruises and cuts. He lives in Canada and, presumably, is a Canadian citizen, so perhaps he needs to take his Canadian citizenship more seriously. If he tried to do something like this in a Muslim country, I wonder how far he'd get? Maybe the nearest jail...?

When the Vancouver police drove some guys to Stanley Park and put the boot in I don't recall the national media giving it blanket front page coverage. Why? Because most normal people realize that sometimes abuse will happen in stressful occupations and that as long as the authorities deal with it properly, it's news but not front page news.

Now, with this story it's different. Why? Because it feeds the idiotic trope that all war is bad and soldiers are sadistic -- ergo we must not be in Afghanistan.

It's the usual fare of anti-war and, more generally, anti-Tory, agenda-driven propaganda masquerading as journalism.

It's a crock and deserves our utter contempt.

Prisoner abuse coming to Canada, I'm amazed it took so long with your MSM more deranged then ours. And, that's saying something.

The jihadis slobs we have at Gitmo weren't picked up in quaint local tea houses, they were hardened jihadis captured on the battlefield. What the Dems and their MSM cohorts want are visits from mom, home cooking, a social worker and attorney assigned to each, and sympathy for their issues.

We could never have won WWII with today's moonbats. Horrifying, isn't it.

I'm with GaryinWpg, just shoot them dead as you find them since the liberal MSM moonbats are too cowardly to embed themselves with the troops they can only speculate.

I agree with ET; anyway, it's hard to argue after watching QP yesterday, where several backbench Libs were criticizing the government for spending $500 on hotels for date with Condelezza Rice.

This is rich, Liberals lecturing anybody about misuse of taxpayers' money. BTW, have they paid back the stolen money yet?

What else do Libs have besides an allied MSM. Their leader projects zero warmth, charisma or real-life intelligence. So, they must go negative, and we ain't seen nothing yet.

Can't wait for the budget debate. Harper is mopping the floor with these guys. Their "you don't believe the theory of global warming" went nowhere, just like the "letter."

I see the worm turning. Bill Good on CKNW Vancouver said this morning that he thinks Stephen Harper is a convert to global warming. Good said that was just fine, he is too, and he wants to know what the policies are now, not the beliefs of the past.

Maybe one of these days, the Libs and going to talk policy, and not retract it 24 hrs later.

Once Harper snookers Dion on environmental policy, the Libs risk being reduced to small regional rumps in Halifax and Toronto.

Layton, Duceppe and Harper are going to rip Dion a new one at the debate. Why, because he is firstly and easy target (he will get soooo mad), and secondly, Layton and Duceppe wish to counter his MSM free ride to win back their vote.

That is, if there is actually a debate. I don't see how Libs can bring Dion forward. Even after a year of MSM airbrushing and image consulting, it won't matter. I don't think Dion has any depth to his thinking. That's why he limits himself to rhetoric, environment platitudes and false bravado.

I am sure the good professor has an equally large file of correspondence with the Iranian embassy calling for the Ayatollah's resignation over the actual and horrific torture and death of Zahra Kazemi.

Watch for more of this clown tomorrow - he probably wants to lead the investigation.

What an absolute joke this guy is.

Go to A Step to the Right (Blogging Tories):
http://splatto.net/blog/?p=415

for a very illuminating background on this Professor Amir Attaran. 'Seems this isn't the first time by a long shot that he's questioned the Canadian military.

I'm with chip: "It's a crock and deserves our utter contempt."

This issue has disappeared in MSM. Why, because they didn't want to risk another "guns in our cities" fiasco. Doesn't matter; soon they will find another scandal to smear the Conservatives whilst absolving the Liberals of any transgression.

Guys, not so fast on Amir Attaran!! If he is a leftie, then he's the first leftie ever to be honored as a lecturer at the American Enterprise Institute. That's the think tank where Cheney, Rumsfeld and other American neocons call their intellectual home. Apparently he has lectured there:
http://www.aei.org/events/type.upcoming,eventID.678,filter./event_detail.asp

Googling some more, he works closely with Roger Bate, who is a fellow at AEI. I mean, this guy is siding with the neocons, OK?
http://www.aei.org/publications/fn.Amir,ln.Attaran,id.0/pub_byauthor_list.asp

Attaran's worked at conservative think tanks in England:
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2003/2003-12-04-01.asp

I do not want to make too much of this, but Attaran's the guy who brought back DDT from the dead and has the greenies screaming bloody murder about it:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Malaria_and_DDT

The right has to be careful. A lot of people think that the right is only about bashing terrorists, but that is crazy. It is also about free speech and even human rights. This guy is using free speech, and if what he says pisses people off, that is no reason to be against him. He sounds like an opinionated guy, who sometimes is on the left and sometimes is on the right. We need more of that in Canada.