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January 30, 2007

Y2Kyoto: The Documentary

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Posted by Kate at January 30, 2007 10:02 AM
Comments

$$$$$$$$$

Who pays for this tour?

Enquiring minds would like to know.

Posted by: gl1800 at January 30, 2007 10:18 AM

Greg Weston has a new name for dion, that will probably stick, in his story re the ads.
dion=Dr Did Little

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 10:21 AM

There is a piece that was in the National Post in January on the effects compliance to the Y2Kyoto is having on the EC and it's not pretty. This is where individuals like David Suzuki are trying to lead this country. Read it and weep.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=03445f57-0777-4554-ac7c-ec63cb073223

Posted by: Lakeshore Observer at January 30, 2007 10:25 AM

Is David Suzuki a terrorist?

He is pretty close to that label in my book!

Posted by: Mel N at January 30, 2007 10:28 AM

I hope someone will be following the great david with a digital camera and posting pics of him breaking environmental rules, especially what he drives or rides in, what he is wearing and what he eats. Of course none of the above will cause any GHG, energy, waste etc. Sorry to see Anne Murray in the fray.
Income trusts will be the topic today, and Harper is getting heat for a broken promise. Time to list all the broken promises of the liberals, no wage and price controls, no raising excise tax on gas, no gst, no NAFTA, national daycare, to name a few. Add to the list.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 10:31 AM

Thanks for the link Lakeshore Observer. I'll be sending it to a few higher purpose persons.

Posted by: greenmamba at January 30, 2007 10:33 AM

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!"

All brought to you by the Big RED Rooster and Chicken Little.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at January 30, 2007 10:42 AM

Che Suzuki. Hillarious poster.

Wage and price controls, Mary T? Do you really have to go back to the mid-70s to find broken Liberal promises?

Posted by: cherenkov at January 30, 2007 10:56 AM

"Remember headlines late last year such as "Greenhouse gases help make 2006 warmest year ever"? What didn't get reported was the fact those doom-laden records were based on only the first 11 months of last year. When the temperatures for December were added to the mix last week, 2006 turned out to be the coolest year in the past five."

In the meantime, based on mantra repitition in the media, the unwashed masses believe there's apocalyptic climate change happening right now and unless we all do something, we're all going to die.

Western energy generation, transportation and manufacturing infrastructure is Satan. And Kyoto is the messiah.

Wooeee. Meanwhile Gore, Strong, Chretien, and the rest of the UN mafia are investing in China, as dollars from the purchase of Zellers coupon carbon credits pour in - all of which China uses to build 500 more coal burning plants.

This is rackateering, no?

Posted by: irwin daisy at January 30, 2007 10:59 AM

Suzuki must be challenged to a public debate with Singer. Would Suzuki accept?
Gore has refused to debate with Singer.
The following dates back to 1997/1992. ...-


SEPP News Release:
Physicist S. Fred Singer Challenges Government Scientists to a Public Debate on Global Warming
Calls on Congress to Set the Time and Place

WASHINGTON, D.C., OCTOBER 30, 1997
[Excerpt:]
A bit of history:

On January 27, 1992, then-Senator Albert Gore was scheduled to appear on "Larry King Live" to discuss the global warming issue. When he learned that Dr. Fred Singer had been booked to appear on the same program, Gore backed out, saying that he "could not appear under those circumstances." The segment was canceled. A week later, Larry King agreed to let Gore back on the show, alone and unchallenged. ...-
http://www.sepp.org/Archive/Publications/pressrel/challenge.html

Posted by: maz2 at January 30, 2007 11:10 AM

Yep, sure makes a lot sense to send carbon credits to China to build more coal fired plants.
Only idiots with a VESTED interest in that human rights abusing country would be able to close their eyes to such outrageous waste of our money.

If Kyoto isn't the scam of the century, it's close to it.

It's fitting that so many washed up and dried up celebrities and politicos hop on the bandwagon of all the Lefty causes. Nothing to give and nothing to lose. It's over.

Posted by: Liz J at January 30, 2007 11:18 AM

FYI - the "Che Suzuki" photo isn't altered, other than for colour enhancement. It's from CBC archives.

http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/archives/05-06/hostalbum/hosts.html

Posted by: Kate at January 30, 2007 11:19 AM

While the bus is polluting the environment, Suzuki will be flying in his ozone builder, the new Focker Wolf II special. Here come da bus!

Posted by: Davy Snoozooki at January 30, 2007 11:20 AM

Yeah...Gore is such an easy target for his hype and hysteria making that I can't believe the press can ignore it.

When he was on Leno promoting his crappy flick, he started off by saying something to the effect of, "The debate is over, all scientists now agree that global warming is a fact."

Just last week, I was skimming through my old copy of Rush Limbaugh's "See, I Told You So". To my amazement, Rush quotes Gore in May of 1993 of saying the exact same thing.

So, for 13 years, Gore has been declaring the debate as being finally over. That's a long time just to get the word out that something is finished.

Posted by: bryceman at January 30, 2007 11:21 AM

Awesome poster Kate...could ya print some up so I could put one on the back of my gas-guzzlin suv??Anyone else reminded of Kim Jong Il,by that photo of Suzuki? Now that's scary!

Posted by: Sammy at January 30, 2007 11:21 AM

Dr. David is the poster boy for Stephane Dion's

"substanability"


where we all get a substandard way of life as he idolized in Cuba.

Posted by: cal2 at January 30, 2007 11:25 AM

No I don't have to go back to the 70s, there are many much more recent ones, but I want voters to know that libs have been breaking promises since their god trudeau was elected. Whats the matter, you don't like to be reminded of the reason AB will never vote liberal.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 11:28 AM

as Patrick Moore stated in his interview with Penn in Vegas, the enviro movement was hi-jacked by all the displaced commies and socialists after the collapse of communism....these moonbat/dippers/whackjobs do not care about the environment, they want to bring down 'the man'....they are still living is some pseudo utopian socialist dream world, yet avail themselves to all the comforts provided by 'the man'....MOONBAT IDIOTS!

Posted by: kingstonlad at January 30, 2007 11:28 AM

If 'global warming' were true - what would be the downside for Canadians? A shorter winter? A longer growing season? Access to our Northwest passage? More trees?

The only downside would be if the government took billions more dollars off of our paycheques and sent it to China for 'credits'.

Unfortunately, no one can predict what the climate will do - we're just as likely to get an Ice Age as have a warm period. No one can yet explain why we've had Ice Ages and warm periods in the past.

Today's alarmists can afford to make movies and produce a 'scientific' paper every week, it's a pretty slick production. And indicates that there's too much money tied up in this issue already - they'll want to keep that coming.

Posted by: Philanthropist at January 30, 2007 11:32 AM

Loved the line in the Press release that says that people like Rick Mercer are lending their support because this is not a partisan issue!

Sorry, but I believe Rick Mercers support or participation automatically defines that particular issue as partisan.

How do these guys release this stuff with a straight face?

Posted by: ward at January 30, 2007 11:39 AM

From the link:

"If you were Prime Minister, what would you do for the environment?"

I would start by banning David Suzuki. All those hot air emissions he's been spewing are probably causing global warming. Sure, banning people sounds like a horrible threat to the freedoms we have become accustomed to as Canadians, but remember: It's worth it if it saves just one child!

Posted by: Sean at January 30, 2007 11:40 AM

We are going through an extended period of nice sunny weather out on the west coast. When we had those storms and winds it was all "Global Warming" but now that we have this unusually nice weather no one is mentioning the GW... funny that. I make sure to start off all my phone calls with cursing the global warming and saying that the we should be hip deep in water and growing mold like every other year....

Posted by: commsguy at January 30, 2007 11:46 AM

Mary: It's just that if you dig up examples from 30+ years ago, one might get the impression that you are running out of recent examples, which shouldn't be the case given abundace of boonbdoggle and inactivity from the last administration.

Phil: if Global warming is true, the effects wouldn't all be positive. More erratic weather, including more prolonged droughts on the praries, would be a negative.

Posted by: cherenkov at January 30, 2007 11:46 AM

Five hundred years ago our ancestors would have celebrated warmer weather because they could grow more food and live better. Five hundred years later the Enviromentalists want us to go back to living in caves.

Posted by: DDT at January 30, 2007 11:50 AM

If someone has the time and enterprise to set up a competing Youtube "If I were Prime Minister" group for more "diversity" of proposals - I'll be happy to make it a central feature here.

Posted by: Kate at January 30, 2007 11:54 AM

let's see, when I woke up this morning, the temp was -12. yesterday, -20, day b4, -22...consistently 3-4 degrees below our January average....if this is global warming, I want my money back....I was promised green, warm winters by the envirowhackjobs, so I drove my car, my boat, my lawnmower, all doing my share for global warming, and where is it???
I WANT A REFUND!

Posted by: kingstonlad at January 30, 2007 11:59 AM

Any Historical Geology textbook explains very well the reasons for the major warming and cooling cycles that were experienced in the past. North America was subtropical many times followed by iceages which covered most of the continent. This happened again and again long before humans arrived and will occur long after the human race has disappeared.

Posted by: Westerner at January 30, 2007 12:05 PM

Jason: Reread my post, as an old timer I reminded voters of how long the liberals have been lying to cdns and breaking promises. I specifically asked people to add to the list, meaning more recent promises broken. Dion's is making one now that if elected he would have honest government, and he has surrounded himself with those involved in all the corruption and scandal. So, that says he plans to break that promise also. The point is liberal PMs from trudeau, chretain, martin, have broken promises. There is a large population born after 1980 that are unaware of that fact. Considering there was a story out about the students entering university last fall have no knowledge of black and white tv, a test pattern, life without a remote control, hanging clothes on a line and other tidbits, why would you think they know anything about the liberals and their promise breaking record.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 12:08 PM

"If someone has the time and enterprise to set up a competing Youtube "If I were Prime Minister" group for more "diversity" of proposals - I'll be happy to make it a central feature here."

Joel at PTBC is really good at doing videos... I wonder if we could convince him.

Posted by: C. Little at January 30, 2007 12:10 PM

There are apparently two new books out and coming which reject human-caused global warming.

Fred Singer, physicist and Dennis Avery, economist, have written one that came out in December, "Unstoppable Global Warming every 1500 years' - a detailed examination of warming and cooling phases on earth.

And Henrik Svensmark and Nigel Calder have one coming out in March on 'The Chilling Stars, a new theory of climate change'.

These refer to solar intensity as the chief factor in the planet's continuous cycle of climate change from cooling to warming to cooling.

The Kyoto fanatics have removed climate change from science, because they reject dissent. When you take a theory out of debate and critique then it becomes dogma. Theistic dogma. Not science. They have moved into Kyotism as a new form of utopian Save the World. Akin to communism; same emotional appeal, same intellectual emptiness.

So- these two books are science; they are sceptical about humans as the sole or chief cause of the current global warming phase.

Posted by: ET at January 30, 2007 12:20 PM

Dr. Did Little Dion has diddled with Suzuki's works in the past. The horror. The plagiarism. The stink. The copyright of it all. Dr. Did Little Dion is an intellectual thief, a fraud, a hoaxer.
Dion exemplifies the Treason of the Intellectuals....-


Part of Dion environmental plan changed after blog report

SCOTT DEVEAU

Globe and Mail Update
Liberal leadership candidate Stephane Dion's campaign hastily changed part of the candidate's environmental platform as posted on his Web site
today after a blog reported that parts of it were almost identical copies
— without attribution —
of a David Suzuki Foundation paper published the previous week. (complete article from G-M by subscription; firewalled by G-M for fee$)

Posted by: maz2 at January 30, 2007 12:28 PM

The whole media Kyotopalooza media hype job banging the IPCC drum about the release of the next report is really about Kyoto 2.

Current Kyoto targets are, in comparison to those in Kyoto 2, quite small. Doesn't matter that nobody is making their current targets, the big cookie is to prepare the ground for the next round of discussions.

They hope to panic the herd into committing to massive UN mandated world government programs.

I think they have goofed up - they are moving too soon. The reality of Kyoto 1 has come to impact on people yet. Of course everyone wants to "save the world" but the associated costs, when revealed to be high and not equally shared ( hello China and India) the tide will start to turn back to common sense.

Taliban Jack & Enviro Lizzy Mae scream "make industry pay". Go ahead, industry will just pass the costs along to consumers. Shut down the 30% of Ontario's electrical supply that comes from coal and then ask the tens of thousands of workers that get laid off because their factories closed if they still are "green". Uh huh.

When the price of electricity goes up 60%-75%, when the gasoline price doubles, when everything made from petrochemicals doubles in price, citizens will be somewhat less likely to offer unconditional support.

The Kyotoites, the Hockey Stickistas have made a serious error by stampeding the herd to early.

It will be loud and crazy, but stay cool folks. Saner heads will prevail.


Posted by: Fred at January 30, 2007 12:30 PM

Richard Gwyn-Tells us Why We Care in todays Red Star...We care because we are socialists and Global Warming is the 'ultimate collective cause'. Hard to argue with that.

snip-So all that remains for us to devote ourselves to is individualism – our personal needs and wants. Which is never enough. Humans are social animals. We live in society, not just in our own cave or condo.

Combating global warming is the ultimate collective cause. It's about doing good, not just to ourselves but to our grandchildren. It's about doing good not to and for just our own country, but to the globe itself.

Lastly, it is, in a way, the answer to terrorism. Terrorists just want to end the lives of as many people as possible. We want to try to preserve life.

I may be wrong. But when was the last time so many Canadians cared so deeply about something so remote from their personal interests – unlike health care?-

Posted by: concrete at January 30, 2007 12:37 PM

Hans, "The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling" and "The Sea is Rising, The Sea is Rising".

Chicken Little and Charlie Tuna, Chicken of the Sea, two of Dr. DidLittle's talking critters.

Posted by: shaken at January 30, 2007 12:44 PM

Again does anybody know who is paying for David's
Tour?

Posted by: RJ at January 30, 2007 12:52 PM

I believe I read somewhere recently that there was a genuine warming period during the Middle Ages that afforded the masses to thrive, read population boom, and contribute to a cultural great leap forward so-to-speak. Wars and sieges notwithstanding of course. So maybe these things do come in cycles.

Posted by: Phil at January 30, 2007 12:55 PM

A real scientist would never say that the debate is over. To be a scientist is to be a skeptic. If your theories and the data to back them up are so sound then you should be encouraging others to try and find holes in your theory. This is how science works, or should work. The blog Climate Audit by Stephen McIntyre is a good read.

Someone should remind Suzuki of something he should have learned back in University:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Posted by: kmn at January 30, 2007 12:57 PM

Does admission to this schlocky cult horror bomb include a barf bag for those with any sense of reason?

Seeing how this is another hysterical preachy Canadian bomb that can't recover costs from private sector box office and DVD sales, I guess its up to the national film board to bail out the producer and CBC to endlessly run it as a "documentary"....followed by endless running on the Canadian sat and cable "specialty" channels who must tow the line to CRTC and it's repressive Can-con broadcast laws ....the real horror of this horror flick is you can't get away from it and you can't stop paying for it no matter how much it makes you sick. ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 30, 2007 12:59 PM

If it weren't for the CBC, Suzuki would likely be just another psycho-babbling watermelon from the Left Coast and largely unknown. He might have had to block roads or commit other terrorist activities to gain enough prestige to attract the US corporate (useful idiots) foundation dollars that now fund much of his anti-industrial revolution.

Whenever the question of continued public funding of the CBC is raised, think of Kate's poster.

Posted by: John Chittick at January 30, 2007 12:59 PM

Dr . Dave was a "bug scientist" and entymologist, actually a genetics prof. who worked with that most complex genetic specimen, the fruit fly.

after that he was an announcer on radio and tv.

he is a self proclaimed expect on most everything else.

Posted by: cal2 at January 30, 2007 1:04 PM

The wackos want to protect seals, whales, sharks, stinkweed, the enviroment, ssm, gaylifestlyes, swinging clubs, liberals, terrorists to name a few. Why are they so against protecting unborn children, family values, and Christianity.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 1:15 PM

So we accept the idea that the earth is warming -- the most important question is whose fault is it and can we do anything to change the situation. I want the answer to this question: Mars is also warming. Does that not indicate therefore that the SUN is mostly responsible for the ever warming earth? And what can we do to control actions of the SUN? Maybe I should ask Dion about this, I'm sure he'd have an answer!!

Posted by: Shirley at January 30, 2007 1:21 PM

John said:"If it weren't for the CBC, Suzuki would likely be just another psycho-babbling watermelon from the Left Coast and largely unknown. He might have had to block roads or commit other terrorist activities to gain enough prestige to attract the US corporate (useful idiots) foundation dollars that now fund much of his anti-industrial revolution."

A point overlooked by many. Soozie is funded by special interests and when he speaks or propagandizes it is not as a private citizen but the head of a funded lobby goup...Call it a foundation if that makes him feel "sanitized" for taking money for his advocacy but it is lobbying by any definition....I think Suzie should be regarde as such and come under legal guidelines for professional lobbyists...to start His foundation should be paying for the weekly time slots on CBC he uses to advocate for his patron's agendas.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 30, 2007 1:25 PM

So our Environmental Czar was first a Bug Expert who found he was losing his main subjects due to changes in the environment?
This explains what set him off scrambling in all directions. He has done plenty of research on larger subjects, sex lives of some Jungle animals etc. That would probably be about the time of his nude pose with a fig leaf covering his hardware.

God forbid Suzuki should reincarnate as a Fruit Bat and eat up all the research of his humble beginning.

Posted by: Liz J at January 30, 2007 1:26 PM

When I was a little boy I actually thought David Suzuki was a great scientist and wanted to be just like him.

What a difference three decades makes, however.

Saw him on the tube the other day being interviewed and stuff. To my disappointment, he sounds as if he just blindly buys into the politically correct belief amongst scientists, leftists & the MSM that man is primarily responsible for all global warming and all climate change and can therefore, by spending tax dollars radically differently, for example, taking the money away from national defence and spending it on whatever as long as it's "environmental" stuff. Yes, he suggested this.

He thinks that we can influence the weather more likely than we can influence whether the Axis Powers will someday succeed in taking over the world.

I'd rather protect the Free World with what money there is now than blindly spend it on an environmental utopian paradise fantasy and risk having the Axis take over the world once we no longer have the ability to fight them off.

I'm afraid Suzuki has lost it.

*Sigh*...

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at January 30, 2007 1:27 PM

Here is a recent exchange of emails I had with the Suzuki Foundation. I have erased the name of the correspondent, but he seems to be the front man. I have the distinct feeling I have been brushed off. Can't figure out why:-).


-----Original Message----- From: Len Pryor


Why does the Suzuki foundation feel that human activity is the main
factor in "climate change"?

Len Pryor

Mr. Pryor: Thanks very much for your inquiry.

The preponderance of scientific findings and study -- more than 900
peer-reviewed scholarly articles and instances of research --
establishes a definitive connection between human activity and climate
change.

It's not so much that the David Suzuki Foundation "feels" human activity
is the main factor, more that scientific fact has proven human activity
is the main factor. You can find some of the scholarly articles about
the subject through this link:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar%3Fq%3Dhuman+activity+and+climate+chang
e%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26oi%3Dscholart

Also, Elizabeth Kolbert's 2005 three-part series in The New Yorker
magazine, "The Climate of Man," explains the link between human activity
and climate change. That series also served as the basis for a book by
Ms. Kolbert, "Field Notes From A Catastrophe," about climate change and
human activity.

I hope this is helpful


Thanks for your prompt reply.

When the Suzuki Foundation points out that over 900 articles of
research establish a definitive connection between human activity and
"climate change" (the new PC term for global warming) it skilfully
infers as fact that human activity is the main cause. Almost nobody
denies that the climate is changing. There is much evidence that human
activity has a miniscule influence on the change. You can find some of
the scholarly articles about the subject through this link.
http://www.friendsofscience.org/

I am sure that perusal of this site would be as informative for you as
perusal of the site to which I was referred is to me.

Sincerely, Len Pryor

Mr. Pryor:

The Friends of Science is a discredited group which is at least partly
funded by a number of petroleum companies for political ends.

Here is a story which explains the difference between Friends of Science
and actual scientists: http://www.charlesmontgomery.ca/mrcool.html

You may also find this story from yesterday's New York Times
informative:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/weekinreview/14basics.html?_r=1&ref=en
vironment&oref=slogin

This story from The Atlantic magazine from 2000 looks at some of the
issues inherent in climate and policy:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200007/global-warming

Here is the chapter on the science of climate from Sir Nicholas Stern's
recent report on the economic impacts of the planet's rising
temperature:
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/9A2/80/Ch_1__Science.pdf

Sincerely

I certainly do want to see an environmental clean up, but lets work on
clean air first. That does include carbon and sulphur scrubbers to
reduce air pollution and will reduce to some extent the carbon dioxide
emissions that have sent so many people into a tizzy. There are many
polluted industrial sites that need to be cleaned and restored.

I have consulted some of the sites you indicated, but haven't had time
yet to look at them all. I intend to do so.

You mention that the Friends of Science is a discredited group. By
whom, may I ask? I think your answer will not surprise me. I suppose
the fact that they get some funding from industry and oil companies
destroys their credibility. The same has been said of the equally
disreputable Fraser Institute. Nasty people to say the least.

Now that you've brought politics into it, wasn't a fugitive from the UN
one of the chief designers of the Kyoto agreement? Wonder where the
loot from that scheme was intended to end up. Certainly not to anyone
who dared to challenge that warped little game. The poor dupes (dopes?)
who have fallen for that one are the real danger to our physical and
economic environment.
The money wasted on Kyoto will not be available to be applied to real
clean up, but nestled in the pockets of the ilk of the "oil for food"
scam. Maybe even some "green" groups.

However, let's not forget that CO/2 is not toxic, but essential for the
survival of plant growth. If mankind reduces atmospheric CO/2, too much
plant growth will start to die off and possibly by the end of the
century many vegetative species will be extinct, and threaten our
atmosphere and environment. Isn't that a silly line of thought? Almost
as bad as some other panic inducing pap that is being foist on an
unsuspecting and gullible public.

Sincerely Len Pryor

P.S. Ever check out the possibility that solar activity might be a
factor?


Mr. Pryor:
Those are all interesting point. I don't have a response to any of them,
mostly because I'm not familiar with the information you're citing.

I'm sure we'll both learn more as more research is done and more facts
become available.

Sincerely

That's all folks, yibidee, yibidee, yibidee.

Posted by: Len Pryor at January 30, 2007 1:27 PM

Plenty of Libs and lefties have used the 'foundation' title for pet projects no accountability and no results...with all the loose Liberano money trails, it shouldn't be too difficult to find out who is paying for this trip.
Great poster Kate...are you taking the credit?

Posted by: vf at January 30, 2007 1:30 PM

Hmmm,is there free "beer and popcorn"with the movie??? Just wonderin'is all.

Posted by: Sammy at January 30, 2007 1:30 PM

Oops- meant to say that climate change, according to Suzuki, could be influenced significantly if we'd just spend billions on environmental stuff rather than on military readiness, etc. Lost my train of thought- am recovering from pneumonia which I had over the weekend... still uncomfortable, and that does distract the mind...

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at January 30, 2007 1:31 PM

The environment, global warming is the current "CAUSE CELEBRE". It did not just suddenly appear; it has been a fact of life for us all since the start of the Industrial Revolution in the 19th century. We live and congregate closer to each other than during tribal, hunter/gatherer times. Mostly because that is where the jobs are, in the factories, power plants and mines that produce the every increasing quantities of product that we want to make our lives easier than our forefathers...

I can accept that because of this and other human factors that we are modifying to some extent global weather, CO2 and H20 vapour levels; however I have a real disdain for WHY it is the energy producers fault and why they should be taxed or otherwise be made the fall guy. If we did not want this energy for our vehicles, home heat, plasma TV's et al then business demands that it would not be produced.. No company will invest in a losing proposition (at least not a viable corporation with shareholders).

If we really believe that we as a global community is responsible for the rapid change in the climate, then there is no solution that will be successful without India and China on board and as discussed in the NP article cited in 'Lakeshore Observer's' comment.

It bothers me too that the creation of greenhouse gases is the focus of the environmentalists... What about the lungs of the earth.. The massive deforestation that is occuring to create farmland, lumber for our homes, paper et al.
What about the over fishing of the worlds oceans and the usage of the deep ocean trenches as a garbage dump.

I can agree that the green's will challenge that we have to start somewhere. Perhaps that is true.. and I look forward to seeing David Suzuki arrive in Calgary on an environmentally friendly Ass, speaking to the hoardes without the the electrically operated sound system and doing so standing on a tree stump in Princes Island Park using natures natural air conditioning...

Certainly, I for one do not want to get on this hysterical bandwagon where Canada's 1% of the world's population is going to drive us all to 3rd world status to allow the other 99% to continue to maintain the status quo. Canada's involvement in leadership on this file should be to bring everyone on board first, then take action... We do not want to experience first hand the problems in Europe created by an ill conceived Kyoto accord!

Posted by: NorthernLight at January 30, 2007 1:43 PM

But do Matt Damon and Sean Penn support it?

Posted by: tom at January 30, 2007 1:56 PM

The climate change argument is like the train that has already left the station. I happen to think humans are not responsible (.15% of total GHGs) for warming, if it even is happening. It doesn't matter.

Canadians have caught the environmental bug. Sure, right now it's mostly warm and fuzzy. The media, however, will skewer any public figure who challenges the warming dogma. That's why Dion is trying to nail Harper with this "he doesn't believe in the theory" outing.

Stephane, no s**t. Harper will reframe the debate to reducing emissions, to ultimately transitioning from carbon fuels to some other (electric, nuclear, cold fission?) energy technology.

Harper also knows that Kyoto will do little if anything to meaningfully reduce CO2 emissions, but if we don't get off carbon fuel, China, India and the rest of the modernizing world will cause an environmental catastrophe. He has already said this is a very long-term transition (50+ years).

Energy technology is the quiet high tech right now. Canada, if she plays her cards right, can truly be an energy superpower. That is our heritage, as staple providers to the world. Our standard of living depends on it, and Harper knows this too.

I think he is doing a pretty good job of "stickhanding" so far, eh?

Posted by: Shamrock at January 30, 2007 1:58 PM

From the forthcoming autobiography of Cardinal Suzuki:

“Teach a boy to fish and you feed him for the rest of his life. Put that boy in an interment camp and he will side with the fish for the rest of his life. “

Posted by: Cal at January 30, 2007 2:08 PM

What on earth do Anne Murray, Randy Bachmann and other assorted musicians and sports figures have to contribute to what should be a scientific debate on global warming? Suzuki's tour looks like nothing more than a travelling circus, replete with plenty of feel-good cheerleading and little else.

Posted by: Dennis at January 30, 2007 2:42 PM

Randy Bachman has burnt more jet fuel hauling his overweigh arse around then my family of six.

This is starting to look like the South Park episode where the hippies put on a 10 day music fest to "fix the world"

as Rex Murphy put it "Lecture us no more Mr Bono"


http://www.cbc.ca/national/rex/rex_061017.html

Posted by: cal2 at January 30, 2007 2:51 PM

Is this just another version of Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters or Tom Wolfe's Electric Koolaid Acid Test, or perhaps Canada's own 1970 cross country Festival Express rock tour?
Sounds more like just another "BE IN" from the recipients of the great pioneer television experiment Howdy Doody / Razzle Dazzle crowd.

Posted by: Simon at January 30, 2007 3:17 PM

Have you noticed that the folks who maintain that human activity is THE culprit in climate change never, ever, mention the Sun?

Basic common sense would place the Sun's output as the number controller over our climate.

But......admitting that would remove the leverage and the hysteria from the issue.

People who can't win at the ballot box looking to create a panic that allows them to foist their hardleft ideology on everyone.

(as mentioned earlier, the manufactured hysteria over climate change/global warming buries more important issues such as deforestation and overfishing.)

Posted by: Robert in Calgary at January 30, 2007 3:28 PM

Have you noticed that the folks who maintain that human activity is THE culprit in climate change never, ever, mention the Sun?

Basic common sense would place the Sun's output as the number controller over our climate.

But......admitting that would remove the leverage and the hysteria from the issue.

People who can't win at the ballot box looking to create a panic that allows them to foist their hardleft ideology on everyone.

(as mentioned earlier, the manufactured hysteria over climate change/global warming buries more important issues such as deforestation and overfishing.)

Posted by: Robert in Calgary at January 30, 2007 3:28 PM

Sorry about the double post, things were acting odd.

Posted by: Robert in Calgary at January 30, 2007 3:29 PM

Kate: There have been a lot of comments containing facts and very good arguments against the politicization of the environment posted to SDA. That together with your posting of topics and facts would make an interesting introduction to this whole business for newbies as well as combating the envirofascists.

"A roadkill guide to climate change and Kyoto"

I know it's probably too time consuming - but just an idea, for what it's worth.

Posted by: irwin daisy at January 30, 2007 3:39 PM

An enormous barrage of press and publicity to push this line.

10 years to fix the planet.....well its either true or this is about crisis creation. I would like to see what the waypoints are that tell us we are on the road. How will I know 3 years from now that we will be only 7 years away from disaster....what are the signs and indicies....guess what there arent any that can be stated other than there will be weird weather....climate porn.....What are they going to say if the ice cap is bigger in 2007 than 2006?

What will be said if the we dont have a recor breaking summer in 2007? My bet is that the ice cap will be larger in 2007 than in 2006 and that the summer will not be record breaking heat. But we will have hot days, and humid days.....and I bet somewhere in Canada they will have record heat FOR THAT DAY, but overall..now.

In Toronto, last summer was great, no record heat, pleasant etc except for a normal couple of weeks when it gets really muggy.

This is a big con and needs to be resisted for at least 2 more years when the data will definitely not support irrevocable global warming.....

Posted by: stephen at January 30, 2007 4:11 PM

Ah lemme see now David.

If I were Prime Minister I would..

Shut down Ft Mac and send thousands of gainfully employed young men and women home to dwell in the dispair of EI forever.

Build nuke power plants based on Russian technology to replace all coal fired generation right across Canada.

And finally raise the cost of gasoline ,diesel and home heating oil to $50.00/litre to discourage wasteful usage like home heating and basic transportation.

You and me is gonna be pals David.

Pals I tell ya..Pals.

Posted by: Pinkneck at January 30, 2007 4:35 PM

Gulp! Vancouver Sun front page (as viewed from a newspaper box):

BC may become overwhelmed by climate refugees from places like Bangladesh, etc.

This seems to be an amazingly well orchestrated campaign.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 30, 2007 5:20 PM

Joke'll be on them, I say. Since Vancouver will be underwater and everything.

But things are looking up for Saskatchewan!

Posted by: Kate at January 30, 2007 5:49 PM

Read this:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/176382

Imagine, Stephen Harper called Kyoto a socialist scheme:

"It would take more than one letter to explain what’s wrong with Kyoto, but here are a few facts about this so-called “Accord”:

— It’s based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends.

— It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants.

— Canada is the only country in the world required to make significant cuts in emissions. Third World countries are exempt, the Europeans get credit for shutting down inefficient Soviet-era industries, and no country in the Western hemisphere except Canada is signing.

— Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.

— As the effects trickle through other industries, workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD.

— The only winners will be countries such as Russia, India, and China, from which Canada will have to buy “emissions credits.” Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.

— On top of all this, Kyoto will not even reduce greenhouse gases. By encouraging transfer of industrial production to Third World countries where emissions standards are more relaxed, it will almost certainly increase emissions on a global scale."

How damning. I guess the TorStar has outed him.

Perhaps Citoyen Dion can rebut his arguments. What a laugh when Dion accuses of not agreeing with the "science" of global warming.

Tell the truth, Dion. Human induced (loading) global warming is a theory at this point - unproven. Even so, many "experts" think it is true, so their opinion constitutes "consensus."

Don't argue there is scientific basis for human-induced climate change; it is an opinion.

Once again, Mr Harper has trumped Mr Dion on the environmental file dealing with pollution (with CO2 reductions as a nice bonus) emissions, that we need a realistic action plan, not Dr Didlittle (Greg Weston in today's Sun).

I was originally wary of running these ads (keep your powder dry), but now I see their value.

Though I question their veracity, I am curious how the next "poll" will play out.


Posted by: Shamrock at January 30, 2007 7:19 PM

Have you noticed that the folks who maintain that human activity is THE culprit in climate change never, ever, mention the Sun?

Yep. The sun is only relevant to lefties in that they think that it rises and sets on them alone. The fossil record tells us that we've had severe climate changes in the past before humans.

The coffers of global socialism needs these apocalyptic fund raisers to transfer wealth. Remember when AIDS would kill one in four of us? Being a behavioral disease that wasn't very realistic. How many billions are down the African AIDS rat hole by now?

If we are lucky enough as democracies and intelligent people to kill socialism finally, the MSM, retake our colleges, and restore real science maybe next decade we can start rebuilding the legacy of the Greeks, Judeo-Christian principles, Newton, Galileo, the stuff that doesn't matter any more.

Scary, isn't it?

Posted by: penny at January 30, 2007 7:31 PM

Kate...be the first to market the T shirts!

Posted by: OMMAG at January 30, 2007 7:35 PM

For anyone who's interested, here's the list of the David Suzuki Foundation's Honorary Board Members:

Margaret Atwood
James Burke
Dr. Paul Ehrlich
Peter Garrett
Gordon Lightfoot
Anita Roddick
Sting
Maurice Strong
Dr. E.O. Wilson
Sir Edward Goldsmith
Raffi Cavoukian

Dr. Tara Cullis, Founder and President of the David Suzuki Foundation, is billed as "An award-winning writer and former instructor at Harvard University."

Dr. Cullis is David Suzuki's second wife, who he married in 1972.

Severn Cullis-Suzuki, "active in environmental and social justice since she was a child...closed a Plenary Session at 1992’s Rio Earth Summit with a powerful speech to the political representatives, and in 1993 she received the UN Environment Program's Global 500 Award. She is well-known for her work as a writer, speaker and television host, and is co-founder of the Skyfish Project."

Severn Cullis-Suzuki is David Suzuki's and Tara Cullis' daugther.

Posted by: 'been around the block at January 30, 2007 7:49 PM

Vancouver will be underwater,of course! Buy future oceanfront property in Sask.now. When the icecaps melt the water levels will be about the same as they are right now. A little experiment,Fill a pitcher with as much ice as possible. Top it up to the miniscus(as full as possible). When the ice inside melts,measure how much has spilled over. Oh my,maybe that oceanfront sask. home wasn't such a good idea.

Posted by: wallyj at January 30, 2007 7:51 PM

Sorry, 'forgot to mention that Dr. Cullis and Severn Cullis-Suzuki are both Board Members of the David Suzuki Foundation.

Posted by: 'been around the block at January 30, 2007 7:52 PM

I figured that the David Suzuki Foundation's citing of over 900 scientific articles that, supposedly, unanimously support the theory of man-made warming, wasn't telling the whole story (Len Pryor's post above, January 30, 2007, 1:27 p.m.).

This from Lorne Gunter's National Post article, one of the links above confirms it, in spades:

[begin quote]

If you saw Al Gore's propaganda film, An Inconvenient Truth, you may be familiar with Naomi Oreskes, the University of California social scientist who claimed to have found 100% agreement among climate scientists. In a much-quoted article in Science magazine, Ms. Oreskes claimed that of the 928 scientific paper's whose abstracts she reviewed, not a single one disagreed with or raised objections to the man-made warming theory.

Not reported though -- because it doesn't reinforce the climate catechism -- was a review of Ms. Oreskes' report by British scientist Benny Peiser. He found that Ms. Oreskes had failed to examine nearly 11,000 other climate reports that may or may not have supported her conclusion. And even among the 928 she carefully selected, only 2% "wholly endorsed the view that human activity is driving global warming," while several "actually opposed that conclusion," even though Ms. Oreskes claimed their support, too.

[end quote]

Comrade Suzuki's Canadian Caravan is nothing more than a Wild West Show, with snake oil, huksterism, and all.

Posted by: 'been around the block at January 30, 2007 8:01 PM

It drives me crazy how members of the MSM can't discuss the real purpose of Kyoto which isn't to decrease meaningful pollution by any amount but to transfer billions out of our pockets to crazy polluting so-called developing nations. I agree that we should do something about pollution of our land-base, waters, and air (especially in the cities) but we don't have to do it at the expense of our economy and Kyoto is a load of crap.

PS climate change has been occurring since the beginning of time and humans are stupid enough to want to try to stop any kind of climate change from happening? The whole idea is laughable. The person who commented about more droughts on the prairies should really go talk to a geologist because there have historically been 50 year droughts on the prairies (of course there weren't people here but the evidence lies in the soil profile). All of this before so-called "global warming".

Pollution caused by humans is bad but the one thing that I'm certain of is that climate change happens and I'm not sure that I buy that humanity should try it's darndest to keep the climate exactly the same because what if this is a naturally occurring phenomenon and we're screwing it up by trying to cool the earth? Isn't that as bad as humanity causing global warming in the first place? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: KM at January 30, 2007 8:08 PM

Dion is going to retrofit Stornaway. How much will that cost the taxpayer. He is turning a bedroom into an exercise room so, as he said on global, his successor will be able to possibly lose weight. Is that or is it not an attack. And what if that successor is layton, or duceppe. That stmt made after being questioned re the critical ads being run, and he said he would never stoop that low, it is not his style. Another case of foot in mouth, isn't that fatal.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 8:26 PM

Well the Globe finally got to one good point today. NO EXEMPTIONS

Even if you believe that Global Warming is a consequence of man made industrial activity you should absolutely oppose Kyoto. Not including the number 2 and number 4 CO2 emitters in the treaty was ridiculous.

If you believe CO2 is a Satanic Gas then it must be stopped everywhere.....oh shoot I emit CO2 when breathe out, I guess better kill myslef for the sake of the planet

Posted by: stephen at January 30, 2007 8:32 PM

Proof if any was needed. You can find conmen in any profession. This one has been on the public dole for so long, he thinks he has a job.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 30, 2007 9:07 PM

To show how much the average voter knows about co2 lets encourage the g&m to have a poll with these questions.

How much co2 are you responsible for emitting into the air on a daily basis.
lots
none
don't know

I think none would top the votes.

Anyone else get the e-mail from someone fwding a message from some group advocating that every cdn turn off all electrical power in their home and office for 5 minutes, feb 1st, at the same time.
They say the amount of energy saved by this action would reduce ghg by x amount.
My question, what happens to the surge at power stations at minute 6. How long would it take to power up every computer, engine, appliance etc. Bet more than was saved. I deleted it and refused to fwd to 5 friends. This request started in TO, so watch for problems feb 1, 1:00p.m.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 9:28 PM

The main architect of this scam Kyoto is hiding in China, to afraid to fly into the U.S. All his cronies are either in jail or on trial for theiving and lying, and the msm buys this global warming religion like it is the koran, coming from these shady dorks. You are judged by the friends you keep.

Posted by: bartinsky at January 30, 2007 9:50 PM

Watch for the EU to pull out of Kyoto, as it is killing their economy. People woke up to the fact that meeting targets would affect them personally. They bought the lie, only industry would pay. They forgot industry provides jobs, and other necessities of life.
Everyone knows kyoto targets can't be met but strong and chretain had a plan to scam millions. JC signed kyoto, and the entire cabinet including dion knew nothing would ever be done except transfer money. But, something happened, chretain lost to martin, martin lost to harper. Now, the libs have to do everything in their power to get back and pretend to believe in kyoto. They get Harper to turn green, and when he starts to do something, anti dion liberals will have an awakening and discover kyoto is bad and harper & dion knew it but tried to ruin canada anyway. New leader, Wahlah, liberals back in power. Hows that for a conspiracy, makes more sense than the one blaming Bush for 9/11.

Posted by: mary T. at January 30, 2007 11:07 PM

when is Borat Dion going to admit that his

"substanable development" means cutting back the heat by 25%, cutting back driving by30%, increasing fuel prices by 30%, increasing payments to china and india by 200% for nothing.

suzuki and the other jet set will have us all living in substandard substanable subhuman conditions ala Cuba whilst the they and Al Gore jet the world.

Posted by: cal2 at January 30, 2007 11:09 PM

if CBCpravda had the balls they would preface this with - this is the truth- the liberal kyoto is a money transfer scheme nothing else.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/30/harper-kyoto.html

Stephen should come out tomorrow and say that no money will be sent abroad for kyoto crap period-its the law.

Posted by: cal2 at January 30, 2007 11:14 PM

Bartinsky says: "The main architect of this scam Kyoto is hiding in China, too afraid to fly into the U.S." Anyone notice that this same individual also sits on Suzuki Foundation's board? Anymore questions about who is funding Suzuki's dog and pony show?

Posted by: Linda at January 30, 2007 11:25 PM

"Analysis of vertical air photographs taken in 1959 and 1974 reveals that a total of 48 km2, involving 3.3 km3, of ice calved from Milne and
Ayles ice shelves between July 1959 and July 1974. In addition, Ayles Ice Shelf moved about 5 km out of Ayles Fiord. It still occupied this exposed
position in July 1984.
"

http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic39-1-15.pdf

It seems like this rascally chunk of 4,500 year old ice likes to move around ... I can't remember if it was global warming or cooling at the time.

Does anyone remember any of the MSM scientists reporting this 20 years ago? I can't seem to recall the media stir.

Posted by: ural at January 30, 2007 11:33 PM

Mary T, You connected the dots - this was yet another Liberano scam to rob Canadian taxpayers. Every criminal Liberano thug is in the window all Canadians need to do is open their eyes and look!

If a person listens to the people 'concerned' about 'climate change' - don't any of them have a life?- you will find that they have no answer to why they are 'concerned'. Why do they believe in something that expensive for no obvious reason? I think that, deep down, the whimpering 'climate cultists' are pea green with envy when they see the young people of Alta, working hard and building themselves a future;( izzy mohony in al bert ha) cultists are always cowards; they envy and resent those who have grit and courage. They can never compete so they aim to destroy.

Never doubt, ever, that Y2Kayota is NOT about climate, it never was, it is about bankrupting Alta; the thorn in the Liberano hide. The Western Canadians (especially Albertians), with the help of the sane in the East, stole Liberano dreams of a luxurious future life lots of money and control over thousands - all free of charge! Canadian taxpayers were going to pay via carbon credits funneled to Mo tse Strong in China.

It was all planned.

If the Liberanos ever win another election they will be ruthlessly dictatorial; this country will never have another election and all citizens here will be working for you know who over there. Now that is something to be 'concerned' about IMO.

Posted by: Jema54 at January 31, 2007 12:20 AM

Foul Weather

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/001031.html

A cartoon - well worth a peek.

Posted by: ural at January 31, 2007 3:30 AM

Commenter at Jack's Newswatch re The Weather Hoax/Scam...-


One of the other BT bloggers posted a series of 4 or 5 vid clips from a video from the “Freinds of Science” group. In those clips, the climatologists were very vocal in their objections to ‘current’ and ‘accepted’ data regarding climate-change. They totally be-bunked the hockey stick graph, and also the CO2 vs. global temperature graph. During some of the coldest periods of the earth, the CO@ levels were 5-8 times higher….and usually lagging behind current temps by 300-600 yrs or so. Their basic point is the relationship to global temperature is not influenced by GHG, but that GHG were determined by temps. Also, they very clearly stated that earth’s global temps are constantly changing…always were, always have, and always will. Enough with the “Global warming is real” B.S. In 5 years, it will be the “the global cooling is real” hysteria coming down the pike next.

The level of hysteria is directly linked to donations to groups like the sierra club and ilk….when donations dry up, some new calamity will emerge….save the whales, old growth forests, burrowing owls….harp seals….see a trend?

If you get suckered into believing this GHG and Climate change hooey, then you are way more stupid than you think. Just the change from global warming to the now more sell-able climate change shows a shift in the environmental group’s marketing strategy: “Warming only works for us when it gets hotter, therefore, we change to CLIMATE CHANGE, then we can bamboozle them even if it gets colder.” Wake up people….you are being lied to!

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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=climate+cancelled&search=Search

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