They obviously have a lot of love for their children. Here is to ensuring their future.

"Baby Boomer"

Thnx Kate.

I need a new keyboard now. Can't get the coffee out of the old one.

Hey wait a minute...Isn't that pacifier chain made of C-4???? Clear the nursery!! Call the bomb squade to disarm this toddler!!

I'll comment here as there is no thread for the Maher Arrar settlement[..]

[remainder is deleted - off topic. read below - ED]

Ok, i have a question. When my kids were little, i couldn't get them to leave their hat,s, gloves, shoes, socks, and clothes on.How do they manage to get their kids to keep that attire on?

Golda Meir said Islamic terrorism would stop once they started loving their children more than they hate ours.

Theres another cartoon out there showing a pregnant muslim giving birth to a bomb. It should have been the cover of Mark Steyn's book.

Pissedoff, if you don't vote Conservative, don't complain about dhimmitude afterwards.

NOTICE

"I'll comment here as there is no thread for the..."

NO YOU DON'T.

I've deleted the followups, because they not only exposed me to libel, but were off topic. Now, clean up your collective acts.

I provide reader tips posts for a reason. If you can't use those threads, then find another blog for your discussion that has the topics you want.

Just wondering, is this boomer raised in a daycare center.

They love death, pure and simple. After all the hugging and kissing about how lovely Islam is, after it is all stripped away, there's a huge death cult mentality that's alive and well in Islam. Any cult that advises it's members that the only way to achieve positive entrance to heaven is to die in Jihad...well, enough said.

Baby Boomers......still laughing.

Pat

This photo reminds me of the other notorious one that made the news around the world a couple of years ago. It was of a small Palestinian child, 6 mos. to a year old, whom his parents dressed up in a miniature suicide bomber's outfit. White robes, a green (the color of Islam) headband, and a belt with small imitation sticks of explosives.

Now THAT was pornography.

I considered titling this post "Dead Baby Before Picture"

Ah, they blow up so fast these days.

This picture and some of the comments here make me ill.
My heart breaks for a child who deserves a decent mother and father. Not the fucking ingrates it would appear he has.
How do you even contemplate doing this to your child.

Hey, don't worry, Harper is not going to lose any REAL Conservative votes. It's just a bunch of lying Liberals spouting off. Conservatives know this whole SNAFU happened with the Liberals at the switch and Harper has no option but to do the right thing to set this matter to rest.
Having a Leader who leads and gets things done will take some getting used to.
The usual subjects would like to say it's for Muslim votes but according to the Liberal's fifth column, the MSM, they tell us the Muzzie vote wont go to the Conservatives because they feel they favor Israel, they can't have it both ways.

What an innocent little "Boomer", already getting groomed to fit the mold. They love their children so much they indoctrinate them with enough hate to motivate them to go off to martyrdom with a big boom for Allah.

I cannot help but hear again the words from the muslim student in Ireland who said to Trevor Owens, "this is not an ideology, it is a mental illness".

The next jihadist-recruiting-movie title, or is it the caption under the photo, in the baby album, depicting baby's first steps:

"Dead Baby Walking"

???

It is hard to look at the pictures of those precious little ones knowing what their parents plan for their future...it breaks my heart...what kind of parents...??
Is this going on in moderate mosques in Canada?

I'm starting to think that sterilization is the only answer.

And don't give me the Hitler thinking stuff. Jews didn't strap on bombs to kill innocent people.

OT but a poll that we should look at.

http://www.londonfreepress.com/

if it is happening in any mosque in Canada, that mosque is not 'moderate'

Forgive my naivety but whats with th kid/bomber connection? I see pacifier, burnoose and a headband.

Am I missing something...maybe I need more sleep?

kingstonlad...you are so right...I should have used CBC's well worn phrase...'so-called' moderate Mosque.

Kate...for eastern pauls sake and the rest of us...since there is no 'story' with the pictures when we follow the link..."commemorating Marytyrdom"...were these pictures taken at a cermony of dedicating the little ones to grow up to 'die young for Allah(Mohammed)'?
we want to make false assumptions here...

eastern paul. The title is Baby Boomer. You know, the generation born in the 60s and now nearing retirement, and facing the fact that the govt doesn't owe them a living, and upset that they can no longer demonstrate against anything and everything, as those hip replacements, knee replacements, aids, fried brains due to drugs, make it difficult to get around.
What trick did your mind play on you to read baby bomber.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13967

Not for the weak hearted people but this site is not the sanitised version. If you can stomach it, this site has pics from the Beslam atrosity, to kids being brainwashed for allah.
Northbaytrapper, I definately think that you shouldn't link to this if your stomach is weak over this pic.

Gotta agree with eastern paul on this one.
Just a picture of a Muzzie kid.The Baby Boomer line is funny though,I have to admit. I detest these bastards as much as the rest of you but to presume these people are raising a suicide bomber is a stretch.

This is so sad...but, I fear it is not the exception.

What's really sad is that images like this make me feel less sympathetic when I hear that children have been killed in a Middle East bombing (be it US air-strikes or one of their own home-grown suicide bombers). It seems that these kids are headed for nothing but misery and pointless deaths anyway.

These are the people that Libs and Layton want to make nice-and-cozy with. Meanwhile, if in Canada, a child is sent to their room, spanked, or made to do chores, they want your children to be removed from the hostile environment you present.

Hard to work up a "my heart breaks" moment. Sorry.

Mary t. I do not like your tone. The Baby Boomer can certainly still demonstrate, government does owe us a place in "the home" and our C.P.P. and our OAS payments. We bought it! So grow up. If you think we're the kind to have a cardboard sign and a doggie at street intersections, remember, WE stopped that Viet thingie. Be afraid!
(Plus we built this planet on Rock and Roll...and you people's sorry excuse for music is just that. Tasteless and lacking talent. Seriously. We listen to Much Music at the gym!)
Plus plus we're going to work 'till we're 72. It's the new 60 I hear.

Rattfuc have you never heard or seen the video of Mrs Khdar saying she would rather her sons become terrorist bombers, than stay in Canada to become a homosexual. Have you not seen and heard the videos of those about to kill hundreds, and have you not seen or heard the videos of parents of those dead bombers praising their actions, (while pocketing the 25,000 US, given out by Saddam)
Yes, they do raise their kids to kill. But, notice, all those advocating these kids to die for allah, they themselves stay out of harms way.

For all of the people asking about what connection there is between the kid and terrorism:

I don't claim to be an expert, but I think the give-away is the red-bandana. Isn't it supposed to be some sort of Islamic mark of a soon-to-be-martyr? Flight 93 passengers reported red bandanas on the hijackers. I am sure that there have been news reports that have mentioned martyrs wearing them.

Maybe it's not a symbol and all of this is coincidence...but that's what it had come to mean to me.

Yup. Quick Google search found reference to it...

Abu Dujaanah pulled out a red bandanna and tied it around his head. The Ansar said: Abu Dujaanah has pulled out his bandanna of death!

Source: 3w.gawaher.com/index.php?s=355846c2debf50ec9fff7ae0fe5e2c89&showtopic=36845&pid=387567&st=0&#entry387567

It is the "bandanna of death"

"It is the "bandanna of death""

Yep, I knew that. Still, this is the "Walt Disney" version. For your unadulterated version of pics, go to the link I mentioned above, It'll give you nightmares.

Guess the boomers can still demonstrate, big anti-war rally at the mall in Washington, with Jane Fonda back in the saddle, (or on the tank). They want the democrats to stop the war now. Bet they fail this time. Cindy Sheenans name is not mentioned as speaker, and neither are any presidential candidates there, of either party.
Come to think of it, she hasn't been seen or heard since she broke up a democratic press conference. I think it is great one can work till they are older, like politicians and senators and media anchors. The best part of it is that the majority of them are honest, can make change, say thank you, and treat the customer and client with some respect. Not so with many of the younger generation, who think I have to approve of their individuality, instead of being offended. My comment to them is, you offend me and there are other places to shop, eat, and be entertained.

In the film United 93 the hijackers are depicted as donning red bandannas as they take over the flight. Don't know, and perhaps nobody knows, if this was the case.

Multirec 2:25pm: I agree that the most soul destroying pictures of the fruits of Islamic Fascism are those from the massacre at the Beslan school. Our brave troops, and those of our allies, in Afghanistan sacrifice their lives to prevent similar horrors in Canada. A good reality check.

That one picture is reason enough why we must win this War. If not for only our children’s future but theirs as well. From the maniacs of the world wide human death cult.

That they feel this way about their children is disgusting. To bad we have our own slithering bunch ,with even less principle. Their day is about to be swallowed by events at last with information , allied with there own pig headedness.

Plus I do sense a coming rebellion against this assault on life or its symbols. Usurped by these vultures.

That Socialists here would not even have a child, just an abortion to proclaim their fidelity to this adoration of murder. Which I see as two sides of the same coin. By similar mentalities employing different dogmas.

Both are the enemies of civility & existence.

The goals are the same . Utter control of individuals in all capacities by an elite.

This child represents the proud example by ant-life monsters, of future genocide, not growth or fecundity. Renewal is not a goal they share.

What better way to corrupt the image of innocence. With which we as human beings associate with the new future? This is evil folks , plain & simple.

Just my opinion

"I agree that the most soul destroying pictures of the fruits of Islamic Fascism are those from the massacre at the Beslan school"

Bart, actually if you scroll down and go to the next page(there are 5 of them I believe) you get to see all the beauty of extremism, from Beslam to babies dressed up as suicide bombers. From the decapitation of Nick Berg to the execution of a woman in a soccer stadium. From gouging out eyeballs to mutilating Americans. From cutting their babies heads in a ceremony, to throwing an IDF soldier to a mob.
It is horrific what people will do as they chant "god is great".

the best strategy remains to make it all MoM violence all the time.

Get the Shia murdering the Sunni, the Arabs going after the Persians etc. Just like the Palestinians have been doing to each other in the name of Allah

They hate each other so much it is quite easy to get them going at each other with knives, guns, bombs and anything else they can get their hands on. Help the Saudis get a nuke so they can have a go at the whack jobs in Iran idf they decide to not make electricity with all their peaceful nuclear technology

They are too death loving to figure out they are being had.

As long as they are blowing themselves back from their current 10th century mindset to the stone age and not bothering us, will anybody actually care ??

Anyone else see the irony of the "pacifier" in this child's mouth?

"Anyone else see the irony of the "pacifier" in this child's mouth?"

Mmmm, notice that the one end of the pacifier is open? Probably to hook a grenade onto.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070127/ts_afp/pakistanattacksblast;_ylt=AgECJFuieTlKPGiRacamjD5vaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-

You have to give it to extremists though, they don't discriminate, they bomb everyone, theirs included.

Deveber in Saint John

I suggest you read this before you pat yourself on the back for the "Viet thingie".

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26631

uh, make that baby BOOMers.

the pacifier is to get them used to the appearance and feel of a grenade pin.

there are THOUSANDS of children in playgrounds in the ME sporting the name 'osama' and not because it just happens to be another arab name. how many germans born between 1933 and 1945 have 'adolph' on their birth certificate? sad.

Multirec at least you have to give then credit for giving women, children, civilians and muslims the equal opportunity of being bombed. Isn't that
what dions idea of social justice is.

Groan...you guys are unbelievable.

My comment at 206pm should have concluded "we DON"T want to make false assumptions"

"Groan...you guys are unbelievable."

So, Paul, what's that comment relieve you of? Any further thoughts on the culture and aberration of a photograph like that? You think a toddler with a pacifier in a terrorist outfit is more "unbelievable" than the reaction of civilized people to it on this site?

If you could get your sorry uniformed butt over to Little Green Footballs, a site documenting this phenomenon, you would find that that kid's twisted warmongering(abusive to the civilized) role modeling is repeated all over the ME.

I'm only pointing this out because it is the essence of how dopes like you think, or don't.

Pull the chain and the baby blows.

Do you think we can get an Iris scan for future refernce off the picture; or maybe some DNA if we get the dummy from his mouth. He probably won't need it in 10 years.

revnant:

WOW.

could I interest you in some umm, 'mind meld' like on star trek?

does anybody know a reference, a very convincing case that the 'Allah' of islam is the same chap as the 'Yahweh' of judaism and 'God' of christianity?

I got serious doubts on that now.

that affirmative would be ghastly and cause to pretty much give up on all our tomorrows.

The overall tone of these comments suggests that all Muslims are raising their kids to be terrorists, which is not the case(obviously) and the title here just doesn't do it for me.

The comment below yours is a great example of how brilliant-and civilised-some people are who post on this site are. Your totally awesome namecalling is the icing in the cake.

Dopefully yours,
Paul

robertbollocks:

From my vantage point. Allah is the Devil & Mohammad is his messenger.

Re-read my post after you know what real Christianity is. Not what you have seen on TV peppered in socialist dogma. The NT is a start. Maybe you might even get what I said.

By the way start by discerning between Churchianity compared to Christianity

Anyway a picture like this just confirms how twisted people can become & what a real effect no matter your beliefs on religion are.This is evil with the waif of decaying corruption of the human sprit about it. It has ugly ripples of degeneracy, that feed into a society foundation.

Something the MSM misses out on, because they think its irrelevant or just an opiate for people. Nice try by them for moral relevancy, but it doesn’t cut the mustard though, in real time.

Its why they cannot see the Ocean form there own reflections. A lot of news is religious based. As are world movements, including most cultures world views. To deny them as a factor. Is truly the act of the mad.

As Jesus said . Man cannot live by bread alone.

By the way, Happy Trails

Nicto Varrata klatu

"all Muslims"?, Paul, you know better than that. And, I presume your statement relieves you of examing just how terrorists are raising their kids, the pervasiveness of terrorism in the Muslim world and the normal responses of civilized people when they view those images.

I'm saying this because it again underscores how dopes like you think or not think.

This photo reminds me of the other notorious one that made the news around the world a couple of years ago. It was of a small Palestinian child, 6 mos. to a year old, whom his parents dressed up in a miniature suicide bomber's outfit. White robes, a green (the color of Islam) headband, and a belt with small imitation sticks of explosives.

It is hard to look at the pictures of those precious little ones knowing what their parents plan for their future...it breaks my heart...what kind of parents...?? Is this going on in moderate mosques in Canada?

Kate...for eastern pauls sake and the rest of us...since there is no 'story' with the pictures when we follow the link..."commemorating Marytyrdom"...were these pictures taken at a cermony of dedicating the little ones to grow up to 'die young for Allah(Mohammed)'?

This is so sad...but, I fear it is not the exception.

I don't claim to be an expert, but I think the give-away is the red-bandana....It is the "bandanna of death"

That one picture is reason enough why we must win this War.

Mmmm, notice that the one end of the pacifier is open? Probably to hook a grenade onto.

the pacifier is to get them used to the appearance and feel of a grenade pin.

...a toddler with a pacifier in a terrorist outfit...

You're all wrong, save for Paul and Rattfuc. The photo gallery depicts a majlis, a Shi'a ceremonial gathering commemorating the martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali, grandson of Muhammad and the Third Imam. This gathering takes place as part of the Remembrance of Muharram, a period of intense mourning and religious observance for Shi'ah Muslims, and leads up to the Day of Ashura (occurring this year on January 30th).

Sorry, no hate-filled indoctrination of Muslim infants, no anti-Western propaganda, no terrorist implications. While the National Review's description of "Commemorating Martyrdom" is technically correct, it's interesting how, in the absence of proper context, the images were so grossly misintepreted here. Given the religious significance of the event, "baby boomer" turns out to be a rather insensitive and offensive remark.

I don't understand the title of this post, 'Baby Boomer,' nor Kate's alternate title, 'Dead Baby Before Picture,' and the 'Commemorating Martyrdom' link isn't much help, since it only sends one to a series of Fars News Agency pictures of a similar kind.

These pictures were presumably taken at some kind of Iranian religious event commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussein, the third Shi'ite imam, who died about 1400 years ago.

Such religious events have been happening throughout the Shi'ite world over the last several days, including in Iraq.

Imam Hussein is a major figure in Shi'ite Islam, and his death--a 'martyrdom'--a major event they obviously consider worthy of annual commemoration.

Where is the connection between the picture Kate has posted and a 'dead baby,' 'terrorism,' 'death cults,' etc.?

Exactly who is being "spectacularly obtuse" here, Kate?

Read my update.

sarge here. comemorating the death of imam hussain? is he one of them damn dead slaughtered minor radical martyrs like john the baptist or a major terror player like imam jesus christ?

ol general here, cld someone get me a clue, cuz i are real dum, need it bad but doncha think writin cute makes up fer it?

I am not sure of the real intent of this picture. Is it a religous event? Is it a suicide bomber in the making?

If this is a suicide bomber in the making picture then it's intent is purely political and probably intended for western consumption.

Suicide Bombing stops when it doesn't work as a tactic any more. It's that simple. I don't buy the religious angle because almost all religions have used suicide bombers.

I've not heard of a successful suicide bombing in Israel in the last year. Israel changed their strategy.

Bush is sending 20,000 more troops to Iraq. This is exactly not what suicide bombing was supposed to acheive (and it's supposed effect to drive world public opinion). If this troop strategy is successfull, I think it is going to be just like Japan in WWII, and suddenly you'll see many fewer "kamikaze's".

"These people are sick,..."

Palestinian children encouraged to go to jail

Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) member Issa Qaraqe told Ynet of an increasing phenomenon of Palestinian minors deliberately provoking IDF soldiers at checkpoints in order to be arrested, and thus receive shelter in Israeli prisons....

"How can one explain a parent who not only isn't sad that his son is in jail, but rather, encourages him to go there?" Qaraqe queried.
"These people are sick, and it indicates the severe deterioration of Palestinian society over the past year." ...-
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3357313,00.html

conn writes, "I don't buy the religious angle because almost all religions have used suicide bombers." In context, one must assume s/he means in the way Islam uses suicide bombers: on a regular basis, using women and children, to kill and maim as many innocents as possible, to make martrys of the killers, now, in the 21st century. I guess if other religions do or have done the same thing, conn's got a point.

Evidence, conn? (I originally made a typo and typed cnn: Freudian slip, perhaps.)

And BTW, the tactic's been thwarted in Israel, not because the religious fanatics have had a change of heart, but because the Israelis have decided to add significant muscle--of course, drawing criticism from the usual suspects--to their defences.

I find this attempt at religious equivalency dishonest and altogether offensive. E.g., How many deaths by Christian suicide bomber--or any other means--do we hear of during Easter celebrations around the world? Putting Easter aside, how many Christian suicide bombers have killed innocent bystanders anywhere? (Some equivalency!)

I've just heard on the news of a slew of suicide bombings in Bagdhad during a religious festival. So, conn, why the soft pedalling re Islam and suicide bombers? You still "don't buy the religious angle"?

That baby looks awfully suspicious. It clearly belongs in Gitmo. And don't let it's "I can't talk yet" act fool you, it's merely a ploy to the weak willed moraly relativist left for sympathy.

I read your update, Catnip.

You seem to suggest that these little tots are ceremonially dressed to die for Islam in the fashion of the revered martyr (though accounts differ as to whether his head was buried with his body or somewhere else).

That would make merely it a colourful "ethnic" display where the boy babies are held aloft by weeping mothers, dressed in not-dead-yet costumes, and that this has no cultural correlation whatsoever to the mobs of young men who can be later persuaded to strap on martyrdom belts to wage war against the infidel.

I stand corrected.

Somehow 'A' and other morally superior leftists feel that because this is a Shiite ceremonial gathering commemorating the martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali, that "in the absence of proper context, the images were grossly misintepreted here. Given the religious significance of the event, "baby boomer" turns out to be a rather insensitive and offensive remark."

Ergo, because of context, any remark posted here condemning child martyrdom is "rather insensitive and offensive."

Perhaps. But I suppose that can be forgiven given the daily deluge of pictures, documentaries, news and what Islamic teachers are saying. Like this recent statement from an Australian Imam:

"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam," said Feiz in the video, reported Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper. "Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid. Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

Context has always been a method of taqiyya for Muslim leaders who say such outrageous things. Of course this particular Imam claimed that he was quoted out of context as well. It appears 'A' and others on the left agree. Apologists, appeasers and supporters all of a child sacrificing ideological cult.

Any remark condemning child martyrdom (unless it is in an agreed on and approved context) "is rather insensitive and offensive."

I would think universal condemnation of child martyrdom regardless of context is a moral imperative. And anything less is not only insensitive and offensive, but monsterously evil.

I agree Irwin,
And not a peep about the link I provided. Scroll down and you'll see many a baby dressed the same way but with a little more pizzaz, bombs strapped to them. What a surprise!
Horrific crimes from bombing London to A little documentary on Nick Berg, director's cut.
Instead what we get from the left is, "it's a ceremony, you guys are sick, not all muslims are blah blah blah".
Dhimmi's at their finest.

C'mon you guys, you're way over the top on this.
You'll never find a more right-wing redneck than I am but for G++d sake, give it a break. It's a friggin' baby dressed in Muzzie mufti. That's all!!!
You can speculate 'til the cows come home but unless you can read the minds of those in attendance, you are just guessing at the implications of all this.
I contend that when you do this, you are no better than they are.
Please give it some thought. I would hope that the commenters here are made of better stuff than that.

Scale back the rhetoric. There's lots to be wary of when it comes to rabid extremism, but this ain't it.

My mom used to dress me in a Yogi Bear costume, bet never once did she hope I'd grow up stealing picnic baskets.

Hmmm, Rattfuc, Yukon Gold, and I seem to be agreeing on the same issue. Maybe I'm wrong about this whole global warming business. Apparently, hell has frozen over.

Rattfuc and Yukon Gold,

Did either of you read the two posts before yours?

Actually, for more fun, visit the 'spectacularly obtuse' link Kate posted at the top and read the comments.

"Actually, for more fun, visit the 'spectacularly obtuse' link Kate posted at the top and read the comments."

Yikes. Say what you mean Kate, spectacularly obtuse...How about incredibly stupid! Now that I've visited that moonbat's site, I need a shower.

That would make merely it a colourful "ethnic" display where the boy babies are held aloft by weeping mothers, dressed in not-dead-yet costumes, and that this has no cultural correlation whatsoever to the mobs of young men who can be later persuaded to strap on martyrdom belts to wage war against the infidel.

Kate, you seem to suggest that there is a “cultural correlation” between participation in this religious event and later proclivities towards suicidal fanaticism. And yet this majlis is a core aspect of Shi’a Islam, so what exactly is your solution? If, as your post and subsequent comments imply, you believe that any child, when raised under even a moderate, mainstream version of Islam (such as that depicted in the linked photos), will somehow be primed towards radicalism, then you're effectively saying that the problem is with all of Islam and not merely its extremist strains.

Kate "I stand corrected."

The devil was *this* close to putting on his ice skates before he realized you were speaking tongue in cheek.

Still lots of fighting going on in the west bank, Gaza Strip. Isn't that the area the world and the U.N. insisted that Israel leave, as it would solve all the violence in Palestine. Another black eye for the UN. Soon deaths will reach higher than the DDT scam. Lebanon is also on fire, another area the Israels at the worlds and UN urging, including the ndp and liberals, left, to solve all the violence. Think of those places when you think getting the troops out of Iraq and Afgan will solve problems instead of increasing them. When will the traitors in the US and Canada wake up and quit supporting the terrorists.

uhh, how is the second picture different then Catholic flagellants?

And I think there are other ceremonies that have babies in costume.

But then, I'm not a Calvinist or a Bigot to fully understand either side of this argument.

Kate: Being generous enough of spirit to acknowledge that bloggers and commentors more open-minded than myself have bettered my appreciation of this gentle commemoration of the beheading martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad), the best way to express my gratitude is to assist the readership here to expand theirs. More photos of Ashura, this taken in Pakistan.

And here's the Roman Catholic version (scroll right for more). What's your point, Kate?

"But then, I'm not a Calvinist or a Bigot to fully understand either side of this argument."

Actually, you shouldn't be either. Islam is a supremacist political ideology masquerading as religion. It's first victims, of course, are Muslims. Muslims are not of one race, but a creed.

Islams perfect man for the pious to follow is their prophet Mohammad.

Even a tertiary study of Mohammad in the Hadiths will show you an inherently evil man who personally gave the command to murder more than 600 civilian Jewish men at Trench, where he had them beheaded one by one, taking more than a day. Afterwards he admonished his men to rape and pillage. Later selling all the widows and daughters into slavery. But not before keeping the prettiest one to add to his harem.

He married a six year old, Aisha - consummating the marriage when she turned nine. One of his companions married Aisha's niece when she was four.

Mohammad went on to do other things that would make Charles Manson look like a saint. Not to mention creating a book and ideology which has spread untold bloodshed throughout the world for fourteen hundred years.

Ignorance is no excuse for having an opinion based on altruistic feelings rather than facts.

'A' there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as Moderate Islam. Welcome to Dar al Harb.

'A' there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as Moderate Islam.

Isn't the form of Islam practised by moderate Muslims in effect "Moderate Islam"?

The best article I've yet read on the Islamic immigration question. It succinctly explains the left/right divide that we recently saw flare up in Kate's 'Baby boomer' picture post.

Translator’s note: In this article, author and philosopher Kai Sørlander writes about the divide between the proponents of multiculturalism and immigration, whom he calls optimists, and the xenophobes and Islamophobes, here labelled pessimists. Below is my translation of the article.

Naïvists and Human Nature

Kai Sørlander, Author and Philosopher

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When democracy let the optimists succeed in classifying the pessimists as xenophobes and Islamophobes, it embarked upon a catastrophic course. And the media who have aided to maintain the illusion bear a particular part of the blame, says the writer.

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Political discussions often take place on two levels: a substantial level where the parties have differing opinions about some concrete issue, and a secondary level, where the aim is to get your political opponent classified in a way that implies that you yourself are right on the substantial level.

The rest is at gatesofvienna.blogspot.com

A: No, in western slang they'd be called backsliders. In a pious Muslims vocabulary, they'd be called apostates. I suggest you do some reading.

Irwin Daisy: No, in western slang they'd be called backsliders. In a pious Muslims vocabulary, they'd be called apostates. I suggest you do some reading.

Apostates are apostates only if they themselves denounce their former religion. An extremist Muslim labelling a practising moderate Muslim an apostate is nothing more than name-calling. It doesn't discredit the moderate's form of Islam in any way.

I find it odd that you've in effect taken it upon yourself to tell moderate Muslims everywhere--whom you admit exist--that whatever form of religion they think they're practising is, in fact, not Islam at all. That requires a level of arrogance on your part that boggles the mind.

Of course, you'll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Qur'an or the Hadith out of context and claim that these reflect the "real" Islam. And then I'll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Old Testament out of context and, using your own logic, claim that these reflect the "real" Christianity. Why don't we just skip that part, and you tell me straight out why you feel you're qualified to tell moderate Muslims themselves that their interpretation of Islam is bogus?

More blood spilled.

Iraqi Shiite children
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"Of course, you'll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Qur'an or the Hadith out of context and claim that these reflect the "real" Islam. And then I'll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Old Testament out of context and, using your own logic, claim that these reflect the "real" Christianity."

Hey quote the OT all you want. Christians are meant to follow Christ. Admittedly, they haven't always done a very good job of it and throughout history have abused their faith and Christ's teachings.

Similarly, Muslims are meant to follow the life example and teachings of 'Islams perfect man,' Mohammad. I don't need to cite passages from the Hadiths, etc. to once again explain what an unbelievably evil bastard he was, by any objective viewpoint.

But, just for fun, lets do a direct comparison between Mohammad's actions and Christ's addressing a similar matter (that can't possibly be taken out of context):

Everybody knows the story about the adultress in the NT - "Let he without sin cast the first stone." Well, lets see how Mo handled the same situation. A pregnant adultress was brought to him and he sentenced her to death by stoning, but graciously allowed her to give birth to the child first. When it came time to stone her, one of Mo's companions, Khalid, threw the first stone and got splattered with blood and he cursed her. When she was dead, Mo said a prayer over her. (from the Hadiths)

If moderate Muslims were to follow the example of Mohammad, they would not be moderate. Therefore they are backsliders, and called apostates by those Muslims who do follow the life example of their prophet. For example, Hirsi Ali still considers herself Muslim, yet she has been categorized as an apostate by her own co-religionists. There are other moderates who do not walk in Mohammads footsteps and who do take a stand against much of what Islam teaches. But look at what happens to them, when they go public - they are most often kicked out of their mosque, lose their Muslim friends, are threatened with death and become a pariah, fearing for their life.

Comprende?

Hey Steve Farter, rather than posing as a Conservative, why not admit the obvious - you're a typical Liberal with a brain stunted in early adolescence mocking your own ignorance.