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January 16, 2007

A Way With Words: Found In Translation

"A key role, uh, in how much money will fix, and how much jobs will make in a sustainable way."
Columnist Greg Weston sets aside the English-to-English translator the rest of media have been using to cover for Stephane Dion's mangled English;
In the same interview, Dion was recounting a conversation he once had with the Swedish environment minister, recalling he once asked her "why there are so much, uh, so good to combine a strong economy and environmental success.

"They pretend they will be able to be zero emissions for 2020. I'm not sure they will succeed, but in doing so they will not kill the economy."


Though his points are valid, I disagree with Weston that Dion's reference to "killing the milk cow" was simply an ill-chosen metaphor for the Albertan economy. I think it exposes a much deeper issue for the LIberal leader. Efforts to improve pronunciation will do nothing to broaden his understanding of Western Canada's historically troubled relationship with - and hostility towards - federal politicians whose fortunes are tied to the interests of Ontario and Quebec.

As badly as he speaks English, that's not the primary problem for Dion's prospects in the West - it's what we're learning in the translation.

Posted by Kate at January 16, 2007 10:01 AM
Comments

I doubt whether Dion will be Liberal leader for very much longer. The Liberals, as befits their nature, will be ruthless if they think he will could be a liability in their quest for renewed power. Dion has no "machine" in the party, unlike the Martin rock-crusher. Thus he can be dropped without too much internal strife. Watch for a deal bewteen Rae and Ignatieff, the sudden "retirement" of Dion to a plush sinecure, and for the Liberals to resume their clawback of power at any cost.

Posted by: Patrick B at January 16, 2007 10:40 AM


Never mind folk who are tied to quebec, who wants to be ruled by France?

Take your cheese and go,

Posted by: DrWright at January 16, 2007 10:47 AM

There's that "sustainability" jibbering again from the Fraco-commie. Dion burps it up like a looped audio file.

If Weston wants to do the public a favor as a "translator", he'll press Dion for a true definition of his "sustainability" concept.

I'll wager that definition (no matter how garbled) will include 3 things:

1) Eviceration of constitutional exclusivity of provincial jurisdiction over resources and private property.

2) A direct federal bureaucratic attack on Alberta's oil patch

3) Tax payer funded give aways to communist nations selling "carbon credits"..China being the prime carbon credit vendor he want's to put on our Kyoto "susrainability" vendor's list.

Stephanie..."sustain" this!! ( holding my middle finger up in a "sustainability" salute) ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 16, 2007 10:51 AM

"...federal politicians whose fortunes are tied to the interests of Ontario and Quebec."

Given the number of votes in those two provinces it's simply impossible to have a federal politician who isn't beholden to Ontario and Quebec. If Harper actually gives up 50% of our (Alberta's) resource revenues to correcting the "fiscal imbalance" then he's proven he's on the slippery slope to eastern appeasement.

Posted by: Sean at January 16, 2007 10:53 AM

The Lieberals will NEVER understand the West. Hard work and prosperity are foreign entitities to the socialists of the East. They (although not all) understand only one thing...the West IS the milk cow ripe for the picking(udder pulling??). I do not blame the East, I blame the sheeple of the West for not standing up and saying f&*k you to the East. Either treat us right, or we are gone.
Another 1.5 BILLION Western loonies for Queerbec? Is PMSH stupid, or just trying to get votes?? Thank God I am leaving this socialist/commie country...and yes...I have visited more countries in this world then most people know exist, and we are below "banana republic" status in most of them.

Posted by: Justthinkin at January 16, 2007 10:57 AM

So... Dion cannot effectively communicate to English Canada in its own language.

Remember what Liberals have always said about Preston Manning's inability to communicate to Quebecers in their own language?

Well, the shoe's on the other foot.

Don't hold your breath for Dion to even bother to pretend to take English lessons to improve his command of the language.

My... what an excellent choice the Liberals have made for the man they think will make them competitive in the next election.

I can see the gaffes already... no way will Dion survive the next election.

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at January 16, 2007 11:01 AM

Appease the east to get a majority. Then we can get things fixed - the real hidden agenda. Senate reform, top of list. Remap electoral districts to reflect new population distribution across geography. Stop cutting the cheese and free domestic markets. Make flows of our money into blackhole Crown Corporations quite transparent - where is that Tsunami money?

Can someone help translate into Quebecois "how dare you talk about easy money in the north when we all know that easy money is delivered in brown envelopes"?

Posted by: shaken at January 16, 2007 11:01 AM

China . . the major vendor of Kyoto hot air credits, the builder of a new, old technology coal fired electrical power plant EVERY week for the next ten years, the same China who has refused to even discuss Kyoto2 - except when it comes how many "credits" they can sell.

If global warming is such a threat to humanity, then why isn't David Suzuki camped out in Beijing slagging the Chinese ??

The great scam is running past redline and will soon blow a gasket.

Posted by: Fred at January 16, 2007 11:03 AM

I think Steff sounds like Borat.

"I make explosion in western piples heads"

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 11:04 AM

Well we got rid of Paul "Mr. Dithers" Martin... why not Stephanie "mumbles" Dion? ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 16, 2007 11:08 AM

I just watched Dion's speach to the T.O board of trade, I noticed that he made a reference to getting back to the way Chretian-Martin ran things, Now that should go over like a lit firecracker.
Ya that makes real good sense lets return to having our taxes go into Liberal Pockets with little teasers being handed out to keep the social activist happy.
I noticed also that he was trying very hard to speak slower in English, I guess he figures we will understand him better.

Posted by: bryanr at January 16, 2007 11:17 AM

cal2 said: "I think Steff sounds like Borat.

"I make explosion in western piples heads"

Now that's funny....Borat Dion :)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 16, 2007 11:20 AM

Good one Cal2. "Please to be giving me all your easy moneys or they will be making punishments on me."

Posted by: johnboy at January 16, 2007 11:24 AM

Borat Dion-


Cultural Learnings of Alberta for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Quebecistan

" can I put spy camera in Stelmach toilet?"

"there are many izzy jobs in Alberta , make the izzy money, labourers for mans and for womens - high living prostitute"

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 11:34 AM

Borat Dion:

"this is my wife...."

"this is my other wife...."

"this is my boyfriend...."

"this is my mistress....."

"and this one I have to pay for....but it worth it....SACRE BLEU!"

Posted by: Doug at January 16, 2007 11:39 AM

...while I like Greg Weston's columns, he's tending to sound a bit eastern biased with his recent ramblings. (Same with Ottawa Sun cartoonist Susan Dewar...pretty lame and slanted - well today's is ok, but usually bashes Harper.)

But Weston missed a greatest point...DrWright said in an earlier post (10:47) "...who wants to be ruled by France".

Bingo. Well at least for the Rest of Canada. Mind you Quebec might get her knickers in a knot thinking about that point too.

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Just some side information:
The Sun newspaper chain (Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, London) is owned by Quebecor company, one can wonder the amount of influence that comes from the cheque writers...?

Same with Canoe.ca who hosts the online Sun versions...their "Picture of the Day" for the past couple of years have been anti-Bush and anti-Iraq war.

Check today's Picture of the day...left column, midway down, shows a lady injured from a Baghdad blast.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Columnists/home.html

No wonder the MSM is loosing ground to readership.

Posted by: tomax7 at January 16, 2007 11:40 AM

Someone tell celine dion that the reason the libs are not in power is because of the way martin/chretain did things. On second thought, don't tell him, let him promise to bring back GroupAction, brown paper bags, bissons blackberry and many other things. Now the libs want an investigation into income trusts. Aren't the rcmp doing that re Scott. And, the new rules do not go into effect for 4 years, so why did anyone panic the day after the announcement. Will martins private doctor give back the ill gotten millions he made from the bank tip from scott. How about all the others who gained from goodales goof.
Dion wants to tax the hell out of albertans, but doesn't think corporations should pay tax. Is he a shareholder in CSL. Will martin have to pay taxes on his companies profits, how about magna.
Willl bs be in the shadow cabinet. Dion said he still has to make many phone calls, so how many of his caucus have said thanks but no thanks. Again today in his speech it was full of I want, I will etc. so those other sitting libs know they have no say. What a control freak and dictator.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 11:40 AM

Let me see if I get this:

I make sustainabliteee important issue in eeconameee by pulling cash cow we can lower emissions in oil patch benefiting me in getting votes in Quebec. Companeees that want to do more will get more from companeees that don't want to do more in sustainabiliteeee and we also give credits to China, to make better environment, like Europe. Also credits for tax for peoples who want sustainabiliteee and no climate change by buying fridges in their homes.

Posted by: irwin daisy at January 16, 2007 11:45 AM

Bend over Stiffane Dion is coming West to help us?
In true Librano fashion.

Posted by: MBGF at January 16, 2007 11:48 AM

Dion's "make easy money in Alberta" will stick to him like proverbial "S^*T" sticks to a blanket, particularly if Western Canadian talk show hosts wake up to what the the commie wannabe with French citizenship has in mind for Canada.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at January 16, 2007 11:54 AM

now borat dion wants to inject CO2 into the oilsands.

that should render alot of it unrecoverable, corrosive and untouchable.

the patch injects or disposes of CO2 where it is economical, practical and safe, and sometimes in the deeper horizons where it is miscible , even for recovery. sticking it in a shallow grave oilsand is a sure way to wreck something.

"is not the izzy money, izzy work so craved by pollytichuns , making the izzy life for alberta - and we being steal the moneys in quebecistan-"

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 11:54 AM

I agree that the problem with Dion is not, as Greg Weston is trying to trivialize, simply his 'pronounciation'. Nonsense. He can't speak English. Period. And it's both the structure and vocabulary - nothing to do with pronunciation.

But above all, it's what Dion is saying. He's authoritarian - deeply authoritarian; Chretien's authoritarianism of running the country from his office for his agenda is nothing to what Dion will do. Chretien attempted to cajole, bribe and buy his way to power. Dion is pure Force. Do it or else.

The Liberal party cannot 'dump' Dion. Dion himself wouldn't permit it; he'd fight it and he has the Chretien BackRoom Boys on his side.

As for Harper and Quebec - it is a FACT, that our political reality, via our constitution and charter, sets up Quebec as the lynchpin of governance. It gives Quebec, no matter its population base, a basic 75 seats. Its bilingualism sets up Quebecers as the majority in our entire civil service and unelected government authority. So, whether we like it or not, we 'have' to pander to Quebec, until the CPC gets a majority - and can begin to change this undemocratic structure which Trudeau and the Liberals set up.

The tactic of the Liberals now, is to take the light off of Dion. Keep him and his words and language problems in the background. Use a Greg Weston to claim that it's merely the problem of The Listener, for we don't understand his pronunciation. Make us feel guilty for not accepting Dion's inability to speak English (vs Manning's French) and his dual citizenship.

Then, smear any and all CPC members and actions; the Liberals must be moving bigtime into a smear campaign. They are doing this, to equate the Adscam publicity with ..whatever they can find about Conservatives. They'll be doing that a LOT in the next few moonths. The agenda. To make Adscam equivalent to whatever trivia they find out about the Conservatives.

Dion remains a centralist; committed to big authoritarian government, rejection of individual rights and responsibilities, the nanny state mode of existence - and lots, lots, lots, of emotional issues and rhetoric.

He's been talking about the 'sustainable economy' for years; it's a truism. All economies must be sustainable, both in fiscal and resource factors.

His only agenda is, like that of Chretien - power.

Posted by: ET at January 16, 2007 11:56 AM

want Quebec to leave?


Stop eating their cheese.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 11:56 AM

Weston's piece was an apologetic for Dion. Notice it was about Dion's use of English...not about the context of his statements. Weston will bend over backwards to find some way to bash Harper and the CPC (check out his comments re: Ambrose and the environment)but this op-ed was ever so polite toward Dion.
If Weston was reading SDA, why was there no mention of the Group Action 'slip' or the 'easy money' insult?

Posted by: vf at January 16, 2007 11:56 AM

Borat Dions speech this morning.

the part where he talked about how strong Jean made the country economically.

Funny how the Liberal’s alienation of our number 1 trading partner resulting in years of closed borders to beef and softwood lumber weren’t mentioned.---

"liberals make western piples head explode"

CBCpravda spends more ink and electrons on lactating mothers than they spent on two of the longest shutouts of western canadian products in history.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 12:01 PM

One would hope that the M S M stop "interpeting" dions "english" they did that for years for that little thug cretin let a consertive make the kind of dumb statements and see how quickly the leftys in the media savage them. The lieberals get a pass on their arrogance. One more reason to go to the blogs for the real news without the spin

Posted by: bubba brown at January 16, 2007 12:01 PM

"Two years ago, the respected Christian Science Monitor (CSM) did an in-depth analysis of the implications of this planned coal-fired plant construction in China, India and the U.S. It estimated these 850 plants will put five times more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than Kyoto is designed to remove, even if every other country, including Canada, miraculously hits its Kyoto target.

Even if new plant construction was limited to only those with a start date, it would still mean putting over twice as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as Kyoto, fully implemented, would remove." (Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun 16 Jan 07)

What would Mr Dion's reaction be to this? I have yet to receive a satisfactory answer to this argument: if global warming/climate change & injustice is such a catastrophic problem (4.5 billion "dead"), why is it OK to wait until 2020, and beyond (likely never) for compliance from China, which though second to the US in emissions, is growing theirs faster than any country.

Mr Dion, please spare me the Liberal/Trudeau "social justice" rhetoric. Why should Canada dismantle its economy, so China et al can burn up oil and coal?

I hope Canadians don't fall for this one.

I would like to debate Mr Suzuki, BTW. Are you up to my challenge, sir?

(I didn't think so)

Posted by: Shamrock at January 16, 2007 12:05 PM

Jeepers!! Damn CBC is covering Dion again this morning saying how he is going to solve greenhouse gas problem and Canada will make millions from it. These clowns don't even question him how he will do it or anything. They are treating Dion like he is already the PM. Makes me wanna wretch.

Posted by: johnboy at January 16, 2007 12:11 PM

Funny, but when I read quotes attributed to Dion in the news (except for Weston), his english seems to be perfect! I don't know what the problem is? /sarc off

Seriously, I think we need to pay close attention to the direct quotes in the news to see if the words are "unmangled"...if so, then the MSM are paraphrasing without saying so...I think this would be a bad thing for a journalist to do, no?

Posted by: Eeyore at January 16, 2007 12:12 PM

well, one un-intended consequence of citoyen dion's insult to the rig workers in northern Alberta will be the blow-back by the families of the kids who are "ruining our economy"...with the exception of the elitist trough wallowers, literally everyone in Ontario and the maritimes is related to, or knows personally, someone who is working in the oil patch....in fact, it is a bragging right if you have a son or daughter making the big bucks....I can just see all the moms at the rink discussing this, and asking why the emperor of France is dissing their kids....this one will cost him, no matter how much the MSM tries to make it go away

Posted by: kingstonlad at January 16, 2007 12:18 PM

See and get da cash at lib.ca. Bring da brown bags to da Milkman; wad's a cubble millions stolen, eh?

Da Cream of Da Wheat, la. It's da bumper crop for da Librano$$$$$$$$


January 16, 2007
Stéphane Dion Sets Out Plan to Strengthen Economy and Environment Together: “Smart Money is Going Green”.


Da Mole is at it, again. Cash for Sale at da lib website. L'argent pour tous. It's free. ...-

Posted by: maz2 at January 16, 2007 12:19 PM

flipping channels last night I hit the current CBC icon George Alphabetsoupius , they did a news run down thing that was a 3 minute US and Bush bash.

Heres hoping the yanks pull the defense curtain back from Canukastan , lets see the sustainability of the "not for profit " health care system and the welfare state when Canaduh and Quebecistan have to pick up their own share of the real bills.

Canada is like a nasty teenager - dissing Mom in front its "friends" and then running under the skirts or hiding behind daddies wallet or economic power.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 12:21 PM

kingstonlad...that's aassuming the hear about it! I'll ask again in case I'm misinformed here:
Did anyone see a report in papers or on the tube re: Dion and the 'easy money'?
The MSM is being very protective of Dionas usual...and Weston is doing it bigtime!

Posted by: vf at January 16, 2007 12:30 PM

To start off with, I am sympathetic to the argument that M Dion put forward about Lumber Mill scrubbers. Yes he is correct that if your government creates regulatons first that set a standard and technologies are developed to meet those standards you can sell them to others who follow your standard....whew that was a mouthful....

The above is a happy example of government regulation, there being so many sad examples. the government sets the table to create lead buyers. It can work, but only if the problem is real and the solution real. I would be curious how much of the scrubber technology development was subsidized by the Scandanavian government, how long they operated without other buyers? Once again it was based on them being first to do something appropriate.

On the negative side I see the old Bombardier fast train thing is ont he table again, this time lined up as environmentally friendly.

I wonder what the calculus would be of creating a line between toronto and montreal that had zero, and I mean non, land crossings....all roads need to go underneath or overtop of the tracks. How much C02 would be expended constructing that? along with all of the concrete creation needed for the overpasses and etc and how that would line up with flights between toronto and Montreal....would it be one days of flights, one year or 100 years?

And if the thing is of such vital national importance shouldnt we just compel Bombardier to build it, I mean nationalize it, its the fate of the planet right? (I am being sarcastic just in case anyone is wondering) Certainly we should force the owners to stop taking dividends while it is being done, who owns it again? (this one is serious)

I will say though that politically speaking I suspect the argument that the government is missing out creating a green industry is one that will likely resonate, not saying it is correct but it will resonate.

I liked the Globe's take today that perhaps the tories are setting it up so they will adopt Arnie's plan for California, one that makes a little more sense. If you have to do something that would be soemthing I would explore.

Posted by: Stephen at January 16, 2007 12:36 PM

'Among other things, he (Dion) wants Canada to become a world leader in carbon sequestration, the process of sealing potential greenhouse emissions underground, in Alberta's oil sands.

"If we can make Fort McMurray a centre for sustainable development, we will be able to do it everywhere in the world," he said.

On transportation, he drew applause when he said: "I think it's time to consider fast trains in Canada. If we were able to have Montreal to Toronto, downtown to downtown, in three hours instead of five hours, how many of us will take the train instead of the plane?" (CBC 16 Jan 07)

Of course, Mr Dion, when government directs economic activity, everybody makes profits, right? NOT!!

Now I see the light; we will pipe CO2 into old mineshafts and hide them from the big, bad sun. Talk about leading edge technology!

Yes, Canada can lead the way in bridge and hybrid technologies. The Dion plan will not achieve this because he thinks we can cut our emissions BEFORE these technologies are developed, via some new government R&D "parternship" with business.

Is this guy for real? A cursory study of government R&D partnerships reveals abuse, waste and fraud.

Harper has a better idea - accept this issue as a long-term proposition, while telling emitters they will have to develop cleaner technologies (with government helping, not directing), without this obsession with CO2 when so many real pollutants are coming out of tailpipes, smokestacks and oilsands.

Yes, Mr Dion, explain to us how everybody is going to make megabucks, when at the same time we will be dismantling our economy.

Dion needs to take a course in Canadian Economic History, out of which came the "Staple Theory of Economics," where countries such as Canada, which have rich natural resources, and have developed a prosperous economic system by properly exploiting them.

With a wave of his dirigiste hand, Mr Dion seeks to deny our history; in fact he offers a revisionist history that says we are bad people for daring to develop our mining, forestry, energy and water resources.

It's better to lecture young people willing to work 14 hours a day in Fort McMurray, that they shouldn't be just going for the quick buck.

To applause, of course.

Posted by: Shamrock at January 16, 2007 12:37 PM

I would really like to see the PM go head to head with Dion in a debate. My opinion is that he would destroy him in English as well as French. Dion is such a little twit, that is being polite. I agree that the only good thing that comes out of the East is the sun!
It looks like when the next election is called, we will again be relying on Small Dead Animals to bring the truth out. MSN is probably coming up with some kind of a defense plan.....

Posted by: MaryM at January 16, 2007 12:38 PM

Jason Cherniak or Sheila Copps for next Liberal leader?

Posted by: Big Cherniak Attack at January 16, 2007 12:44 PM

Please Steve, shamrock,cal2, et.al. It is anti-Canadian to fight. You will be assmilated.Resisitance is futile!!!! Mssr's Dion and Turdeau the Younger are the way!! Cuba on a Canuckistan level will be achieved!!!Oh...and I almost forgot the Fwannnccce way too!!!

Posted by: Justthinkin at January 16, 2007 12:44 PM

Canadian Sentinel said My... what an excellent choice the Liberals have made for the man they think will make them competitive in the next election.

Actually, I don't think that the Libs were ever really happy with their choice in Dion and I don't think any Liberal with half a brain (i.e. the smartest Liberals) thinks he makes them competitive.

My feeling is that, at the Liberal convention, the "anybody-but" camps that were rallying against both Ignatief and Rae (you know, his wife is a Joo) fed off of each other and, in their fervor, they wound up electing someone that made no one happy.

Over the few days immediately following Dion's coronation, I got the distinct feeling that the Liberal membership felt kind of like one would when they wake up next to someone they otherwise wouldn't have - if they hadn't been so drunk the night before.

Good news for Harper in any case.

Posted by: bryceman at January 16, 2007 12:44 PM

Anyone catch the story re the Royal Bank. According to US laws, no one with dual citizeship in certain countries can open an american dollar bank account. No one from certain countries can work on american defence contracts, even in Canada. 24 were recently pulled from a Bell factory in Canada. RBC may face fines for opening such accounts for dual citizens. So far France is not on the list, but give dion time and he will mangle a stmt to make france dangerous. These laws re bank accounts were to stop terrorist money from sleeper cells, sympathizers etc. So, is all that money now coming to Canada.
But, how long will it be before the US bans cdn banks in the US, if they open US dollar accounts for dual citizens in Canada.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 12:46 PM

The thing is - the Liberals have elected a new leader who is unpalatable to the majority of Canadians.

Therefore, the Liberals are moving 'big time' into presenting Dion via the MSM - which are Liberal propaganda agents. That enables them to restructure, 'airbrush', and present Dion within a cocoon of propaganda. They won't let him out without a handler who will immediately step in to 'airbrush' Dion. Or, they will ensure that Dion is always presented, as an 'interpretation' aka Greg Weston, via the MSM.

Therefore, they will present 'his' policies via others on the MSM. Not via Dion, they will use others to explain and debate 'Dion's policies'. Not Dion.

Then, the policies will have to be presented as emotional entities - Dion will Save the Planet.

How will the Liberals deal with the election debates? They will HAVE to get out of them. They might instead propose a new style of debate, where the leaders simply read a text - and don't debate at all! They might have a panel debate the text! Above all, the Liberals have to keep Dion out of any direct question interactions. It's not merely that he's unintelligible; it's that he is authoritarian, thin-skinned and contemptuous of people who disagree with him.

And, his agenda is old style Chretien Liberal Party Power. Nothing for Canada. A centralist, Quebec focused, welfare state socialist and rigid anti-entreprenur, anti-individual, Big Government country.

Posted by: ET at January 16, 2007 12:47 PM

I don't think any Liberal with half a brain (i.e. the smartest Liberals) thinks he makes them competitive.
A Liberal with half a brain??? That would make him/her a Taliban Jack follower!!

Posted by: Justthinkin at January 16, 2007 12:47 PM

And on ctv this a.m.,following Dion's speech,Roger Smith struggles to find anything positive,so...he and Kate discuss Dion's "extreme makeover!" Has new dye job..complete with highlights! Betcha that will sway the RigPigs in Alta.The speech,was so vacuous,that follow-up coverage was a laugh.
Wonder why our little friend Jason is so strangely silent on all this ...he's hell-bent on Katching Khan,and not one word about Weston's column etc.
Interesting developments over at G&M.I have noticed the neg.comments re Libs,are starting to exceed pos.ones..and are actually getting posted.

Posted by: Sammy at January 16, 2007 1:13 PM

OT but: Pat Martin of the ndp is trying to prove that Khan was promised something to cross the floor. He is going after the problem of loans to the liberal riding association by Khan. This goes back to 1996 and fwd. Who ran the association, who failed to file the proper papers, liberal officers of the liberal riding. If Martin keeps trying to make something of this, he will open up the question, Is this normal practice for all liberal ridings, are they all behind in their paper work, have other loans by candidates not been paid back. Typical example of liberal corruption at the riding level. Martin is saying the liberals will not pay back the money to a conservative and if the conservtivs pay it it will prove he was offered something. Martin should take a course in accounting and business. The liberal riding of Khan's is responsible for all income and debts up to the day he crossed the floor. And why should the conservatives pay back for wrongdoing in 1996-2000-2004. Who is the money owed to-Mr Khan. Same with the income trust investigation, it will show how the liberals made mega bucks from scotts blackberry. Who and how are all the leadership loans being paid back.
We have known for years that the liberals mismanaged our money and put much of it in their own pockets, but we thought it was just at the top. Now, it is coming out it is acceptable practice even at the riding level. Now the liberal riding associatin of former member Khan has been delisted. What does that mean, no lib candidate there in the next election. The polls must be sending very negative results to layton and dion for them to be trying so hard to smear the conservatives. Lets call for an investigation into the activities of all 308 liberal riding associations, and delete all the dead from the voting lists as a start.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 1:21 PM

Time to dig up all the negatives comments about Mannings makeover and substitue celion dion in them. Why did he need a new dye job, has his many examples of oral stupitidy made him turn grey.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 1:25 PM

Dion's poor English competence is a gift which we must exploit to the fullest.

The man simply cannot communicate, and the Liberals know it. That is why others quickly move to stand in front of him to answer for him. That is extremely bad. It shows that he cannot speak for himself. And if he cannot speak for himself, how on earth can the reasonable person expect he'd possibly be able to speak for Canada and Canadians, including on the world stage?

The Liberals are treating their leader as if he has a disability. But it isn't a disability at all- Dion could've long ago mastered English in no time at all. And there's no indication that he's even trying now. Probably because he doesn't care about English Canada at all. Just Quebec. And he actually used to be a separatist! How do we know he isn't going to revert?

But all that aside, whether he's a great Anglophone speaker or not, the fact remains: he has so little to say he might as well just keep his little lips pursed like he usually does, tightass-style. Yep- he rarely ever smiles, and where's the MSM criticism of that? They ridiculed Harper for being stuffy, staid, boring, unsmiling, unemotional. Why do they leave Dion alone, despite the fact that next to Harper, he actually looks like a somber funeral director?

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at January 16, 2007 1:26 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/16/dion-toronto.html

Thanks DiDi!

Posted by: OMMAG at January 16, 2007 1:36 PM

The only people offended by the "milk cow" comment were those ready to feign outrage at Dion over anything.

Posted by: Rob at January 16, 2007 1:47 PM

Those offended by those offended by the "milk cow" comment are simply feigning outrage over anything not said by Dion.

How's that for Liberal logic?

Posted by: Doug at January 16, 2007 1:50 PM

Wasn't Landslide Annie implicated in a deal similar to Khan's? I believe the MSM never even made mention of it?

Posted by: johnboy at January 16, 2007 1:50 PM

"feign outrage" spit...! if you work for a living and you are not angry with the crap dion came up with you must be one of those "dead voters" off a lieberal list. You haven't seen anything yet rob

Posted by: bubba brown at January 16, 2007 1:55 PM

ET,

Dion is a "sombre funeral director."

Maybe, but I get more of the impression he's been dug out of the ground a little more recently to haunt us all.

Posted by: Ace at January 16, 2007 2:09 PM

Sorry ET, I should have addressed my post to Canadian Sentinel.

Posted by: Ace at January 16, 2007 2:18 PM

Does quotation marks in a story not attribute an actual quote from a person? Is there not a way to indicate that the quote is not a direct quote? Such as "...we must go... further afield"

We definitely should be bringing this up with newspapers when quotes are not actual quotes.
enough

Posted by: enough at January 16, 2007 2:21 PM

mary T:

The Khan "story" is a non-story. He followed the rules, they may owe him money! The real story is Khan crossed the floor to the Conservatives therefore the MSM and Lying desperate Liberals and even a Dipper are trying to create some stir in a slow season.
It has nothing to do with the Conservatives at any rate.
QUESTION IS, WHY WAS THIS NOT BROUGHT FORWARD WHEN HE WAS A LIBERAL?

Posted by: Liz J at January 16, 2007 2:35 PM

Dion says his centre piece is Kyoto.

Kyoto was the brain child of the United Nations.

Maurice Strong, a Canadian, is the man behind the scenes at the UN.

Benon Sevan was just indicted in a New York (home of the UN) court.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243909,00.html

" ..Former U.N. Oil-for-Food chief Benon Sevan has been indicted in New York federal court for allegedly taking bribes under the program from Saddam Hussein's regime, U.S. authorities announced Tuesday. "

Maurice Strong was also investigated for involvement in the Saddam Oil-for-Food scandal for cashing/endorsing a million buck check from Tongsun Park, another UNer.

www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/003346.html

Where is Strong now ??

If the Canadian Media does not cover this story, are they liable ??

Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at January 16, 2007 2:39 PM

Willl Greg translate Dions stmt, I want a profitable government/liberal party. So, he want GroupAction, working for a living is bad for the economy, buying hot air from China for billions is good for the economy, and to follow martin/chretains agenda. And, how has he insulted all the gropups he has spoken to since his election, by saying the one today is his first MAJOR SPEECH AS LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION. I thought he made a major speech in AB and in Winnipeg but I guess he was just practicing his english. (need much more practice). I can't believe the negative lib comments in the g&m re his speech. One commentator asked if the promise to have in investigation into the income trust change is not a red herring to take the heat off the coming RCMP report on same thing re scott and goodale. Also lots of comments re kyoto and the phony science. Maybe things are changing, even the cbc tried to put a question to dion on what sustainabily is and would cost, and he answered in mumble jumbo.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 2:51 PM

enough
I also noticed the perfect english CBC quoted S. Dion as saying. Do they think they will get away with this forever? Using quotation marks? It's way to obvious that they are helping him out. This mans spoken word is almost unintelligible yet his words between the quotation marks are perfect english. How can CBC get away with that!

Posted by: Bruce at January 16, 2007 3:05 PM

Why would the Libranos vote for Kyoto and then do nothing to meet the targets? The Librano intent was to install a perpetual funding mechanism for party loyalists,elite and the party itself with Kyoto. Money sent out of the country to pay for hot air credits would pass through this organization, the appropriate cuts going to bagmen to funnel it to the above.

Posted by: kada at January 16, 2007 3:05 PM

Warren Kinsella, Dion's supporter, has his s*** in a knot again,

Kinsella; "... And, since we are playing question-and-answer, do I actually care when I am delisted on someone's blogroll, ever? No, I do not. Other folks (SDA comes to mind) obsess about "traffic" and that kind of crap, but I don't: thus the lack of RSS feeds and the like. If folks read it, great. If they don't, great. This ain't how I make a living, believe me. "

Oh, is that right Warren ?? I remember after that nut-case convention of Liberals you posted how high your blog traffic was. And your quarrel with the old media types like The Star and how their traffic (circulation) was dropping. No obsession here, eh ??

It bothers you big-time Kinsella that sda has it all over you. Kate has handed you your ass many times.

And another thing. I bet Pravda didn't have an open, un-edited comment section either !!

Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at January 16, 2007 3:09 PM

The Toronto Star has a front page online section, with Dion claiming that Harper's forthcoming announcement of environmental actions is a 'ploy to get votes'.

Now wait - wasn't Dion's trip out West and his statements about 'easy money' (which means the worker has no basic rights to that money) and 'spreading the wealth' - wasn't that 'all a ploy to get votes'. From Quebecers???

Isn't Dion's current hug-a-tree environmentalism a 'ploy to get votes'? After all, during all his years in the Liberal gov't - did he ever do a thing for the environment? Did he reduce the emissions? Didn't Dion make a speech in 2004 that he wasn't going to harm industries, both the western oil and the auto industries?

Didn't Dion also say, like his mentor Chretien, that the basic agenda of being a Liberal was 'winning'? Isn't that 'all about votes'? Nothing to do with principles?

Posted by: ET at January 16, 2007 3:18 PM

From Tuesday's Calgary Herald (article not available on-line) ... _How Dion could win the West_ by Rudyard Griffiths of the Dominion Institute ... "To succeed in the Hurculean task of rebranding the Liberals in time for an election that could come as early as March, Dion needs to make a grand gesture--a signature move that shows he has remade himself and the Liberal party in a completely new mould. Specifically, Dion should throw the polls, the pundits and caution to the wind, and run in Alberta in the next election ... In terms of a seat ... he need look no further than Anne McLellan's old riding, Edmonton-Centre; a seat the Liberals lost by a mere 3,000 votes in 2006 ..."

This has almost a zero chance of happening, chiefly because, IMHO, the biggest strategic negative (for the Liberals) would be that Dion would waste too much time campaigning in Edmonton, instead of in Southern Ontario, Quebec and B.C., where the closest battles are again going to be fought.

Posted by: Calgary Junkie at January 16, 2007 3:21 PM

Hope Warreny kept that barney doll..sounds like he needs a cuddle...boo hoo!

Posted by: vf at January 16, 2007 3:28 PM

QUESTION IS, WHY WAS THIS NOT BROUGHT FORWARD WHEN HE (Khan) WAS A LIBERAL?

Liz J., I know your question is rhetorical and we all know the answer.

But it's even worse since it is a fake issue. Khan was perfectly entitled to use loans to finance his campaign. The LSM is really just masquerading a potential issue as a real issue. This would only be a real issue if Khan defaulted on the loans. Which, to date, he has not.

Posted by: Bart F. at January 16, 2007 3:31 PM

Gave up on Kinsell's blog long ago but B hoax's comment tweaked my curiosity. I looked at Kinsell's blog and came away laughing. Kinsella is like Artie Shaw on the old Rowan and Martin Laugh-In. He just forgot to complete the quote, you all know the one with Shaw in the German army uniform and saying "Wery interesting..... but STUPID, Ya! Kinsella forgot the "but STUPID, Ya!"

Posted by: Antenor at January 16, 2007 3:34 PM

"Yes, Canada will cut Megatonnes of Emissions, But we will also make Megatonnes of Money" Dion, Board of Trade Breakfast Toronto

Sound's like another Liberal Pyramid Scheme?
When a Liberal promises Megatonnes of Money, Run as far as you can with your wallet in hand.

Posted by: bryanr at January 16, 2007 3:46 PM

Wasn't that Arte Johnson? Damn!! Just dated myself!!

Posted by: tower at January 16, 2007 3:49 PM

Calgary Junkie, isn't that the same seat she won by a mere 12 votes in a previous election.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 3:57 PM

Re: French citizen Stevy Dion's carbon trapping underground - that is a Conservative idea, one that the msm would not give Rona Ambrose enough air time to articulate.

The speaking correct English thingie - garbled, mangled English worked for the Cretin (sorry, Cretian) so why not use that again? In a different way?

Joe Molnar nailed it, Kate caught it (see her post) and I am in full agreement with Joe's assessment. The msm is going to 'speak' for French citizen Dion. Remember when msm declared that they were the new opposition - I think it is now official.

Picture this - twit Dion, with his innocent ,oh so meek, geeky, cutsy turns on English ad homans - see how cute he looks? But wait 'he is smart and sophisticated too'!! After all he is French! Is he really French? How much Celtic or Saxon blood is trickling through those veins? Where, in France, did his mother originate? Maybe he is Italian or German in origin. Most people I met, in France, were dark haired people. Things that make me go hummm?

Personally, I could care less if he is blond, brown, purple or green but that French thingie seems to be the selling ticket for the msm. The 'take' seems to be that the French people in Quebec are pure bred and the ROC is full of a bunch of mutts - esp. Alta. In other words, we are good for regular working stiffs but we can't be 'shown' because we lack the pedigree. If I am wrong, please correct me.

PET was seen as a dilettante (like some French nobles who escaped with their heads during the French Revolution - they took off and cut a wide swath with dash and daring around the world...so the stories go..) but he was not French and he was not brave...that was all fiction. PET was kicked out of USA for drifting ashore after a little stint in Castro's army got too rough for the little fellow from a rich papa in Quebec. Not much dash there..except what the media fabricated.

Now wait for it ..French citizen Dion's story...breathless in the Yukon..it is 20 below so breathless is izzy.

Posted by: Jema54 at January 16, 2007 4:00 PM

Tower, you're right, I must be older than you are to get the band leader and a 60's comedian mixed up.

Posted by: Antenor at January 16, 2007 4:00 PM

CBCpravda with the most reliable of sources.


http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/16/castro-chavez.html

im about to do a search on pravda for cretians proof the proof the proof, instead of what he really said.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 4:00 PM

that didnt take long , its "proof" the CBCpravda has been translating the unintelligable from the overlords and natural governing party for a long time.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/09/05/iraq_pm020905.html

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 4:04 PM

"Didn't Dion make a speech in 2004 that he wasn't going to harm industries, both the western oil and the auto industries?"

Yup. And if I recall correctly, it was around the same time that Ontario automakers were exempted from having to meet their required Kyoto emissions reductions.

Posted by: Smarty Pants at January 16, 2007 4:06 PM

Rob,
You hitched your wagon to an idiot and you come over here to complain. Go home to your blog where comments are as frequent as Toronto's Stanley Cups.

Posted by: Albertaman at January 16, 2007 4:06 PM

Noticed today,that link to Weepin Warren Kinsella's blog is gone from Bourque also.

Posted by: Sammy at January 16, 2007 4:15 PM

Mary T, yes "Landslide Annie" was always a close winner in Edmonton Centre. Thanks to dead voters, bused in voters, her many lawyer friends, massive pre-campaign spending on billboards, etc. And I'm convinced she also cashed in a favor during the 2004 election with (then Health Minister) Gary Mar, her ex-student in law school at the University of Alberta. Gary might have manouvered to get Klein to muse out loud about Health Care reforms (which never came) shortly after the 2004 federal election. If anything, Dion will tease reporters about this 'running in Edmonton Centre' idea. Much like Kennedy mused about running in Winnipeg. All talk, and no action.

Posted by: Calgary Junkie at January 16, 2007 4:22 PM

such a venerable institution as CBCpravda should be careful with the quotation marks. did anyone hear anything like this report wrote and "quoted"


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/16/dion-toronto.html

da proof is da proof is da proof

"the piple of kaybec cannot stand the piple of alberta make dis izzy money and waiss it on there themselves instead give it to uz.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 4:25 PM

why does one detect sympathy in this peice.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/16/ressam-sentence.html

pravda on a roll today, Im doing the "dog to its own vomit thing" keep going back to the cbc site despite how revolting it is.

here is an idea, pay quebec 1.5 billion in equalization, but sell cbcpravda to finance it.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 4:29 PM

Is S. Dion another protegee of M. Strong?

The Strong Scent of Tyranny
by James L. Hirsen, J.D., Ph.D.
reprinted from Covenant Syndicate, Volume 2, Number 75, 08JUL98
Once upon a time, his name was cautiously whispered within the dark confines of a militia group meeting or two. Today, Maurice Strong is up front and center in at least two recently published mainstream magazines. In September of last year, Mr. Strong was the subject of a cover story in National Review. Amazingly, the first feature story of 1998 in Forbes stars this same ascending world figure.
Strong has emerged as one of the most powerful and enigmatic figures on the international scene. He wields considerable influence in the areas of business and politics. Twenty years ago, The New Yorker magazine described Maurice Strong as the man upon whom "the survival of civilization in something like its present form might depend."
As of late, this billionaire Canadian businessman works simultaneously for the United Nations as Senior Advisor to the UN Secretary General and for the Rockefeller and Rothschild's Trusts. He is Director of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, Senior Adviser to the President of the World Bank, Chairman of the Earth Council, Chairman of the World Resources Institute and Co-Chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He was Secretary General of the 1972 Earth Summit in Stockholm and the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro.
In addition, his credentials include membership in the UN funded Commission on Global Governance. This body's 1995 report called "Our Global Neighborhood" contained a number of ominous proposals including the establishment of a global tax, UN control over "global commons," expansion of the powers of the World Bank, expansion of the jurisdiction of the International Court, removal of U.S. veto power in the Security Council and creation of an Economic Security Council to oversee the world's economy. Clearly, the implications of such proposals were intended to move us towards the creation of a world government infrastructure. Unfortunately, they also necessitate and precipitate the decline of U.S. sovereignty.
Strong's business arrangements have been equally convoluted and diverse. His dealings have involved major U.S. oil interests as well as influential power brokers including Saudi arms merchant Adnan Kashoggi and Canada's Power Corporation.
Currently, Strong is attempting to control a potential scandal involving Molten Metal Technology, a hazardous waste firm known for its ties to Vice President Al Gore. Molten Metals has surfaced in the Senate hearings on campaign financing due to questionable contributions made to Gore's campaigns.
Strong has complained that "the United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological health" and has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the redistribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the Third World.
Strong has supported New Age movements in the U.S. and once helped finance a second ark in preparation for the next great flood. His many global activities are orchestrated with the philosophical bent of a long time believer in the establishment of a new world religion.
Strong has instituted what is ostensibly the global headquarters for the New Age movement at the foot of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his wife run the Manitou Foundation and call this center the "Baca." It is an international collection of alternative religious beliefs. Located at this New Age mecca are a subterranean Zen Buddhist center, the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a facility for Native American shamans and a Vedic temple where devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess.
The Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the Kissingers, the Rothschilds and other international bureaucrats conduct regular pilgrimages to this center for global spirituality.
UN watchers place Maurice Strong on the top of the short list to become the next Secretary General of the United Nations. No one is better positioned or as well connected to achieve this increasingly powerful position.
We can smell it coming. When values decline as they have in the last twenty years, the continuity of civilization requires that a substitute order emerge to insure societal stability. If we are not careful, this substitute could take the form of tyranny. Perhaps even a secretary general with greater powers than any predecessor has heretofore been vested. Sort of a king of the world.
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National Center For Public Policy Research
http://www.nationalcenter.org/DossierStrong.html
Dossier
A publication providing succinct biographical sketches of environmental scientists, economists, "experts," and activists released by The National Center for Public Policy Research.
Maurice Strong
Maurice Strong is a senior advisor to United Nations' Secretary General Kofi Annan. Annan has appointed Strong to lead U.N. reforms, positioning him to be the next U.N. Secretary General. But placing Strong in charge of U.N. reform could pose a significant threat to the American way of life as Strong has used his position to centralize power in the U.N. at the expense of national sovereignty.
Strong, a native of Canada, grew up during the Great Depression and lived in poverty. He was able to escape poverty and became a successful businessman. During the 1950s and 1960s, Strong was involved in the oil and utility industries and was quite successful. By the time he was 35 Strong was president of a major holding company, the Power Corporation of Canada. As successful as he was, Strong nonetheless felt the need to embellish his achievements. According to National Review, Strong claimed to have had a $200,000 salary when he left the Power Corporation of Canada. But the magazine was informed by an official with the Power Corporation of Canada that Strong's salary was in fact $35,000 upon his departure.
In the early 1970s, U.N. Secretary General U Thant tapped Strong to organize and direct the Stockholm Conference on the Human Environment. The conference came to be known as the first Earth Summit. In the following year, Strong became the first director of the U.N. Environment Program. These two U.N. positions marked the beginning of Strong's methodical march toward global governance.
Strong's most significant role at the U.N. to-date has been his position as Secretary General of the 1992 U.N. Conference on the Environment and Development, the Rio Earth Summit. In the opening session of the Rio Earth Summit, Strong commented: "The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." Interestingly, Strong had initially been blocked from participating in the conference by the U.S. Department of State. When Strong learned of this, however, he persuaded then-President George Bush to overrule the State Department.
Strong is also involved in the U.N. Education Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). Through his work in UNESCO, Strong promotes Gaia, the Earth God, among the world's youth. Strong is also the director of The Temple of Understanding in New York. He uses The Temple to encourage Americans concerned about the environment to replace Christianity with the worship of "mother earth."
Strong also directs the U.N.'s Business Council on Sustainable Development. Under his leadership, the council tries to affect peoples' lives through U.N. policies that attempt to reduce the availability of meat products; limit the use of home and workplace air conditioners; discourage private ownership of motor vehicles; encroach on private property rights; and work to reduce the number of single family homes.
Selected Strong Quotes
Strong on national sovereignty at the opening session of the 1992 Earth Summit...
"The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." -Maurice Strong at the 1992 Earth Summit.
Strong responding to a question by a reporter asking why he gave large donations to both political parties in the United States during the 1988 election cycle...
"Because I wanted influence in the United States." -Maurice Strong quoted in Saturday Night magazine.
Strong on the impending global environmental catastrophe...
"If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization
to collapse." -Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine.
Strong discussing the role the Earth Summit would play in the emerging system of global governance...
"[The Earth Summit will play an important role in] reforming and strengthening the United Nations as the centerpiece of the emerging system of democratic global governance." -Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine.
Strong discussing his political inclinations...
"[I am] a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology." -Maurice Strong as quoted in Macleans.
Strong discussing the effect the Great Depression had upon him...
"[The Great Depression left me] frankly very radical." -Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine.
Version date: September, 1997
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EDMONTON JOURNAL p. A12
If Martin truly respected the West...: ...the last person he should make senior adviser would be Maurice Strong
Wednesday 16 July 2003
It's all well and good for prime-minister-in-waiting Paul Martin to say he will respect the West once he becomes Liberal leader.
Indeed, it's refreshing, if not encouraging, that he told the Vancouver Sun in May that "No matter what else I do as prime minister, if (western) alienation is the same ... at the end of my term as it is now, I will not believe I have succeeded."
That almost makes it sound as if acting on the West's desire for more respect, less meddling and an all-round better deal from Ottawa will be one of his government's highest priorities.
It's heartening, too, that, also in May, Martin pledged at a Liberal fundraising dinner here in Edmonton that "never again (will) the Liberal party come out of Western Canada without a substantial number, if not a majority, of seats."
This is heartening, not because I actually hope the Liberals win more Western seats in the next federal vote -- I don't. Rather, it's just nice for a change to hear a prominent Liberal do something other than dump on the West, and Alberta in particular, in order to win votes somewhere else in the country.
Jean Chretien has seldom shown more than indifference to the West, and frequently has displayed open contempt.
During the 2000 federal election, the Chretien-led Liberals blatantly misrepresented Alberta's timid health-care reforms in their national campaign ads. Whipping up resentment to Alberta would buy them votes in central and Atlantic Canada and stunt the Canadian Alliance's chances there since the party is so closely associated with this province and region. So what if the accusations weren't true?
Of course, Chretien also confessed to preferring to do business with people from Eastern and central Canada. Albertans, he sneered, were a "different" (read: morally inferior) breed of Canadian.
Even just this past spring, Chretien shrugged off Western concerns by saying "regional discontent is inevitable," meaning he had no intention of wasting his time even trying to solve western alienation.
Martin's soothing words are a giant step forward. But to say all that he has is one thing. To actually do something about it is quite another -- particularly something that might be unpopular in central Canada. It will take more than being in Calgary "a lot" and wearing denim shirts to the Stampede that sport "I (heart) Alberta beef" stickers.
Martin's first concrete steps are far from encouraging.
Last month he began speculating about holding the next election in June 2004, or earlier. If he does that, Alberta and B.C. will not receive the four new House of Commons seats they are owed -- two each -- as a result of their dramatic population growth in the 1990s.
When Alliance leader Stephen Harper charged that this looked a lot like the old Liberal strategy of "Screw the West, we'll take the rest," Martin promised to try to get the Commons to move the creation of these seats ahead, to a date before the writs are issued. But such an I'll-try promise is as meaningful as my pledges to start dieting ... tomorrow.
The announcement last week that Martin was courting Maurice Strong -- the first president of Petro-Canada and the godfather of the Kyoto accord -- to be senior environment adviser in the Prime Minister's Office is more than concrete enough to eradicate any and all goodwill Martin's comforting words to date may have purchased.
If he wants to placate the West, the last person -- the very last -- Martin should invite to be a senior adviser is Maurice Strong. Strong is an unreconstructed Trudeau-ite, which may make Liberals giddy with nostalgic glee, but is unmitigated bad news for Westerners.
Strong may not have been present at the birth of the National Energy Program in 1980; but as the founding president, chairman and CEO of Petro-Can from 1976-78, he was there at its conception.
Strong enthusiastically supported Ottawa's first major intrusions into provincial resource management, such as the elimination of deductions for provincial resource royalty payments from federal income taxes. The Liberals and Strong euphemistically called this "revenue sharing," because it took income that would have gone into investors' pockets and oil companies' bank accounts in the form of tax rebates and "shared" it with the federal government, which forcibly kept it in Ottawa.
Strong also favoured heavy federal subsidies to Petro-Can for frontier exploration. These gave the federal oil company a competitive advantage over privately held oil companies, with the hope the "Canadian" company would eventually control the lion's share of new oil reserves. Eventually, private oil companies were forced by the Liberals to sell a portion of their successful explorations to "Ottawa Oil" as Petro-Can was often known.
To people who are suspicious of the market and have no clue of how wealth is created (such as the majority of federal politicians of the past two generations), Strong has been seen as a business genius, even a new breed of executive who combined social justice and environmental concern with making a buck. Never mind that he did both mostly by milking taxpayers or using his connections to yoke his competitors.
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Friday, in his own words, I'll examine Maurice Strong's two current obsessions: "global governance" and radical environmentalism, particularly his involvement in the Kyoto accord.
[For that part of the series, see:
Champagne socialist full of bubbles
Maurice Strong profits from pushing leftist ideas
Edmonton Journal, Friday 18 July 2003, p. A18
"Economic growth is not the cure; it is the disease."
—WHS]
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Lorne Gunter
Columnist, Edmonton Journal
Editorial Board Member, National Post
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EDMONTON JOURNAL p. A18
Maurice Strong & Paul Martin, Part 2
Champagne socialist full of bubbles: Maurice Strong profits from pushing leftist ideas
Friday 18 July 2003
"Economic growth is not the cure; it is the disease."
That is Maurice Strong's take on what is wrong with the world, today, and what is the greatest threat to the environment. Everything that is wrong can, in Strong's mind, be traced to three sources -- industrialization, wealth and free markets. I'd add a fourth -- Christianity -- except Strong never quite comes out and blames it for the world's ills. He merely hints at it with statements such
as "We are all gods now, gods in charge of our own destiny," which he made in his autobiographical 2000 book Where on Earth are We Going?
Actually, Strong's three sources of evil are really just one source -- Western civilization. Although he has reaped enormous personal profits from the Western ways of business and life, Strong has been a lifelong biter of the hands that feed him so well. In 1990, he even mused about a possible revolution against "industrialized civilizations."
What if it were concluded, Strong romanticized, "that the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? ... Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring this about?"
Strong wasn't exactly speaking for himself in this daydream. His nightmarish scenario involved a "small group of ... world leaders," gathered together at a semi-private conference, who decide to overthrow the established political and financial orders "in order to save the planet."
But he was not speaking for himself, either. Strong revels in telling fawning audiences that he is "a socialist in ideology," but "a capitalist in methodology." His socialist core would explain his attraction to revolutions against rich, industrialized civilizations.
And his membership on a dozen international business and environmental organizations would explain why he thinks such a revolution might spring from a small, semi-private gathering of world leaders.
Those are the circles Strong runs in. They are the people he knows. Undoubtedly, as he has sat through literally hundreds of such gatherings, he has occasionally marvelled at the amount of power represented by the leaders in the room, and speculated on what might convince those leaders to suspend democracy and diplomacy, and join him in the top-down coup of his dreams.
If the idea of a revolt against power, privilege and wealth, led by the most powerful, privileged and wealthy strikes you as a bit incongruous, then you need to understand two more things about Maurice Strong: He has made his fortune, reputation and influence out of peddling radical leftist ideas to the international jet set, to champagne socialists like himself, who very much enjoy what rank and riches have given them, but who despair the consumerism and capitalism they see in those beneath them.
The other piece you need to the Strong puzzle is his contempt for ordinary people and the institutions that give them control over these leaders. Strong thinks only superior mortals who run in his circles and share his philosophy are fit to decide how the world should be run.
Only once has Strong lowered himself to stand for public office -- in the 1979 Canadian general election that saw Joe Clark's Tories squeak into power. But he couldn't even bear to see that through to election day.
According to an eye-popping indictment of Strong's smug contempt for democratic accountability, in the book, Fight Kyoto, Calgary journalist and lawyer Ezra Levant points out that Strong withdrew as the Liberal candidate in a Scarborough riding one month before voting day because he found his "constituents' priorities were parochial."
Strong is a founder of the Council on Global Governance; the author of the Earth Charter (earthcharter.org), that he wants to be not only the supreme law of the planet -- replacing national laws and constitutions -- but a new "Ten Commandments," as well.
Strong is or has been a board member with Earth Council, the World Wildlife Fund, the David Suzuki Foundation, the United Nations Environment Program and two of three of the UN's big world environment gatherings -- Stockholm in 1972 and Rio in 1992.
The 1997 Kyoto accords sprang directly out of Strong's Rio conference in 1992, with Strong having a hand guiding the accords to fruition all the way, as a special adviser to the UN secretary general, periodically with the status of undersecretary general, himself.
Levant claims Strong has "never stopped pressing for a world where the UN's resolutions would be enforced as the law in every corner of the Earth." And Strong has made it clear he sees no harm in carbon taxes, air travel taxes and financial transaction taxes that raise billions or even trillions annually to fund a super world bureaucracy where he and others can influence world affairs without every grubbying themselves by seeking approval from -- ugh -- voters.
This is the man Paul Martin wants to make a senior economic and environmental adviser in his PMO. But that's no surprise, either. Levant details how Strong hired Martin to be his personal assistant at Montreal's Power Corporation, even before Martin had left university, and later helped Martin get his stake in Canada Steamship Lines, the company that is the source of Martin's personal wealth, not to mention his pride and joy. Martin's enthusiasm for Strong's counsel goes way, way back.
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Lorne Gunter
Columnist, Edmonton Journal
Editorial Board Member, National Post
"Canada should have enjoyed the culture of the French, the government of the English, and the know-how of the USA. Instead, it ended up with the government of the French, the know-how of the English, and the culture of the USA."
—John Robert Colombo
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Posted by: just-thinking at January 16, 2007 4:33 PM

I think Mr. Dion as Liberal leader, is a gift we should all embrace...
really, there's so much to work with here... I say, "hand the man a mike!" and lets all watch the train wreck.

Does anyone think that former UN head of Oil for Food Mr.Benon Sevan is going to "sing" for Mr. Maurice Strong? ... or am I hoping for too much? the dollar value isn't so great, only $160,000 but the information he bleeds would be worth all that and more...

Posted by: marc in calgary at January 16, 2007 4:38 PM

Cal2: too funny!
Good on Stelmach for turning down a photo op with the soon to be ex-leader of da libs. In tour face steffie, there is NO easy money.

Posted by: Jim in Calgary at January 16, 2007 4:50 PM

Anyone here know what Cretiens' business interests in China actually are ? Is it on behalf of Power Corp ? Or is he helping his new comrades (or old ones such as M. Strong ) set up the corbon markets ? No sarcasm , I want to know what that little scumbag is up to over there .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 16, 2007 4:50 PM

carbon markets , my bad .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 16, 2007 4:52 PM

Should be in your face steffie
/grovels and shuffles backward
//had a bad case of cant spall

Posted by: Jim in Calgary at January 16, 2007 4:52 PM

This may be a good time to bring billionaire George Soros into the picture.
Soros, another Bush hater may well be in a position (according to knowledgeable US analysts)to help trash the US dollar with cohorts like Mo Strong currently said to be dealing in China.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at January 16, 2007 4:52 PM

To be fair to the MSM they have to make a buck selling newspapers and to quote Mr Dion verbatim would result in unintelligble reading.
They will however ultimately create more problems for the Liberals because once the masses hear Dion they will shake their heads.
Dions' lack of English language will probably be enough to do him in.

Posted by: ian at January 16, 2007 4:54 PM

Re: ET's post:

"How will the Liberals deal with the election debates? They will HAVE to get out of them. They might instead propose a new style of debate, where the leaders simply read a text - and don't debate at all! They might have a panel debate the text! Above all, the Liberals have to keep Dion out of any direct question interactions. It's not merely that he's unintelligible; it's that he is authoritarian, thin-skinned and contemptuous of people who disagree with him.

And, his agenda is old style Chretien Liberal Party Power. Nothing for Canada. A centralist, Quebec focused, welfare state socialist and rigid anti-entreprenur, anti-individual, Big Government country."

Posted by: ET at January 16, 2007 12:47 PM


It just occured to me that with the proper handlers, a shaved monkey could become the next Liberal leader. And, he wouldn't come with all the ingrained arrogance, contempt, and biases that the previous leaders had. Oh sure, the Shaved Monkey might throw a few turds at the audience once in a while, but still, that would be a huge improvement over what we have seen from that Party over the last several years.

:))

Posted by: Joe Canuck at January 16, 2007 4:55 PM

you people are truly unmerciful: looped audio file, borat, stop cooking with cheese, SD the STD wait that one was mine..., toilet cameras, mao tse strong, theres no end to it.

and the MSM getting caught in the crossfire.

jeezuz the entertainment value alone is worth it !!!

time to call an election !!!

Posted by: robertbollocks at January 16, 2007 5:35 PM

Calgary Junkie: Wonder if I am guilty of election fraud or something. My grandson and his wife life in Annies riding. We discussed the election and they don't follow politics too much and new nothing about Annie, and thought they would maybe vote for her. I casually told them that if she won by 2 votes they were out of the will. They went out and worked very hard against her. Dion is going to bloc Justin Trudeau and G. Kennedy from being candidates, they are not his star wannabes. Dion would not have the nerve to run in Alberta. His brains might tell him he has a chance but it is a no brainer. 68% of cdns don't think he will ever be PM, 57% want Quebec out of Canada. Real true liberals, who were not at the convention, or delegate meetings must be hanging their heads in shame and embarassment. With dion as leader who would admit they were a liberal, especially in AB. Nice to hear that his speeches in AB were not major ones and his audience was not important. Do you know what or how much a me-gaton of money is.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 5:36 PM

I cant help it , everytime I see Dion , I think of this one.

think Dion asking for a job.
substitute Stelmach for ladies and substitute alberta for camel or goat and you have it in a nutshell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6aW-kgTuOU

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 5:40 PM

Dion's environmental rhetoric is almost word for word a duplicate of his 2004 talks on the environment. The same 'sustainable economy' which is an unclear reference to his opinion that the economy ought to sustain the environment. He, of course, doesn't say how.

In one speech in 2004, he refers to 'wind power'. Then, silence. No policies. He suggests that selling Petro Canada might lead to an investment in wind power (2004).

The fact that the Liberals were, in 2004, 20% above their 1990 CO2 levels rather than on the way to 6% below - he didn't want to talk about in 2004. Or now. But, as I said, his current 2007 rhetoric is remarkably similar to his 2004 rhetoric. It didn't work then, and now, he still has no policies.

He is suggesting Rules, ie, Lower your emissions or else pay a fine. But that's not a policy; that's a threat. And, he is in favour of 'purchasing credits' - where a country whose emissions exceed this quite arbitrary limit will 'purchase' credits from a non-industrial country, whose emissions obviously are low since it doesn't have the factories etc...This means giving that country MONEY, which they will use to put up ghastly, cheap, polluting factories. How does that solve anything?

But - the NDP blogs (eg rabble) are working feverishly against Dion. They are aware that the NDP is really the most vulnerable in this situation. Dion's agenda is to take the vote away from the NDP in Ontario. And away from the BLoc in Quebec. That's his strategy. He has only ONE agenda, our Dion. Winning. Power. Period.

No policies and no interest in Canada. Just winning.

Posted by: ET at January 16, 2007 5:54 PM

a megatonne of money would be less if it were tonnies or loonies than paper.

perhaps Dion can suggest a new coin , Im thinking along the lines of the pink ribbon commemorative quarter- this one could be copper with a hole in it for prostate cancer.

and when quebec separates we could send them the holes as their share of the surplus.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 5:58 PM

Trawna Star online headlines;

'Green' Harper a ploy: Dion

Dion unveils 'green' platform

Dion re-affirms Kyoto goals

pot tells kettle, i'm more green! LOL woo-hoo

Posted by: aj in calgary at January 16, 2007 6:15 PM

"If global warming is such a threat to humanity, then why isn't David Suzuki camped out in Beijing slagging the Chinese "

Can't you just see the effect of a Japanese-(Canadian) dissing China, given their history!

Posted by: dmorris at January 16, 2007 6:15 PM

just-thinking's post has reference to the Rockefellers.
The Liberal Party has deep connections/links to the Rockefellers from the days of W.L.M. King, longest Prime Minister of Canada.

King's modus operandi was: Walk softly and carry the big Quebec stick; appease Quebec in all things; divide Canada and conquer. It has worked for the Liberals. They are looking to repeat the process.

This is the plan-method being implemented by the Liberal Party today. Milkman Dion is the current frontman. However, Dion, is expendable. The Party rules. ...-

CanadaInfo: William Lyon MacKenzie King
William Lyon Mackenzie King was born in Berlin (later renamed Kitchener), ... King worked as a labour consultant for the Rockefeller Foundation in the ...
www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/government/king.html

Posted by: maz2 at January 16, 2007 6:17 PM

cal2: "Want Quebec to leave? Stop eating their cheese."

Love it! haha!

Posted by: tomax7 at January 16, 2007 6:18 PM

I scrolled through the 96 comments. Nobody hit the best part of the Weston article...

"One of our favourite Internet blogs, called Small Dead Animals..."

Oh, and it's... stop eating their fromage.

Posted by: Moose Javian at January 16, 2007 6:36 PM

CBCpravda put me in a mood today. maybe its manopause.I cant listen to the 1010 radio for fear of going postal before the 14th street bridge.

But the whole milk , dairy cheese bit just brought up another point- whenever there was a humanitarian crisis Canada used to send powdered milk to Africa. most Africans cant digest cows milk- they dont have the right enzymes.( species or race?)

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 6:46 PM

cal2 .... "1"
dion .... "0"

Posted by: marc in calgary at January 16, 2007 6:58 PM

There appears to be some truth to the 'stop eating their cheese' scenario.

I'm a westerner and as such believe in spporting the West first,Canada second etc.

Now I'm not a fanatic about this but I think it makes good economc sense.

Having run a small construction contracting business for most of my life likewise again I've had a tendency to support Western Canadian building suppliers establishments.

One of my select suppliers in BC and Alberta which stocked a vast amount of Western Cdn. produced inventory,was sold to a Quebec outfit just recently.

The disturbing part for me is the removal of much of the western homegrown inventory from their shelves to be replaced with primarily Quebec produced items.

I suppose some would say that its all part of Canada and therefore alright.

Myself I can't support that sentiment.

Call me disullusioned,I prefer the term Dedicated

Needless to say I try to do my buying through more 'Western' friendly suppliers as I believe its important.

Posted by: Simon at January 16, 2007 7:34 PM

I have boycotted Que products to the best of my ability for 15 years. Got rid of the last product last week. With grandchildren selling magazine subscriptions I renewed my readers digest for years, but when the last one run out I cancelled, along with a note stating if they ever moved their head office out of Que to contact me again, but as long as liberals elect stupid leaders like dion, and que votes bloc and liberal, count me out. I do notice that the magazine has lost a lot of advertising over the years. Come across an old 1980 issue the other day, and what a difference in pages of ads. Now, if it wasn't for the recipes they would have nothing, and I don't use the recipes.

Posted by: mary T. at January 16, 2007 8:14 PM

Greg Weston ought to understand. We in Alberta understood Dion completely. Including his dealing's with PMJC of late. Oh, we know exactly what he's up too, & what his looting would entail. It may have been a slip of the tounge . Calling us a Milk Cow, but you Easterners come with that posture naturally .
Like pigs to slop.

The swindle diversion continues . With Quebec ever the darling. I have news buddy. Where having a baby, boom while you leftists are going extinct. Just like Europe.

Who can believe the press again after they allowed ad scam & all the other scandals to flourish by covering them up?

They wallowed in the liberal pork fat, while this Nation was starved by pillagers in the name of collective equality. They continue to deny the veracity of the leftist putridity. While rolling about in the simulated mud bath of their former Masters. The black rain of odium, continues unabated towards Conservatives or Libertarians.

The MSM stood by gamboling with this lewdness, while a Country died. But it was very, very good for you eh?

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 16, 2007 8:45 PM

The problem may not be so much Dion failing to understand Alberta, but rather him thinking that he's getting zero seats there anyway, and precious few anywhere nearby, and deliberately failing to understand the West and playing the anti-Western card to try and pick up more seats in the East.

National unity, and wanting a party that doesn't play parts of the country off against each other, may end up being the number-one reason (of many) to vote Conservative and encourage my Ontario neighbours to do likewise.

Posted by: Anthony de Boer at January 16, 2007 9:00 PM

MSM reporting Borat Dions speech today as his first major speech.

apparently they would like to forget

"the malk cow"
"da izzy money"
"da canadien whit bort"

and "da new NEP for alburda."

Posted by: cAL2 at January 16, 2007 9:08 PM

Poor Kate...paying for bandwidth so that people can come to SDA and recycle their childish insults and empty rhetoric.

Posted by: lberia at January 16, 2007 9:26 PM

just entertaining the left because they dont entertain us.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 9:34 PM

for those who dont know lberia is not I beria its L beria , naming himself after this guy....


http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/1791/beria.html

he is a resident lefty that cant resist the draw of a smalldeadanimals.

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 9:43 PM

Cal2:

Entertaining, but not in a good way. And what do you have against my nom de plume? You're not going to get all politically correct on me, are you?

BTW, you trying to make people go blind with your link?

Posted by: lberia at January 16, 2007 10:19 PM

Dion this afternoon repeated the 'easy money' crack in an interview on ROBtv. No chance of misinterpretation or mistranslation. One can only hope that the people's notoriously short memory will last at least as long as the next election.

Posted by: Imethisguy at January 16, 2007 10:34 PM

If we stop eating their cheese, will Dion ask: "Ooo cut de cheeze"?

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 16, 2007 11:18 PM

From comments section G&M:The Liberal Party could take a giant step toward cleansing the Canadian environment,and bringing in social justice,PLUS,win significant support in the west,by introducing a policy to totally eliminate itself!!! Loved it!

Posted by: Sammy at January 16, 2007 11:29 PM

sorry, I think the link is all red for a reason.I think mr L. Beria was working on genocide, he would have found himself kicking at the end of a rope in Iraq had he been born in a different time/space coordinate.


entertainment ,but not good.

Ill tell you what doesnt entertain me , the idea that we subsidize to the tune of a billion bucks a network (CBCpravda) that services nothing but the left. a shill for the liberal party. their polical affiliation is so entrenched that the true left NDP feel left out.

according to polls CBCpravda is watched by 7% of the population, giving 4.1 to the family average
thats a billion bucks for 563000 households or $1740 a house. Add that to their or your cable bill if one finds it so entertaining , not to my T4.

this blog was established by Kate because she didnt like to be classified in the great CBCstatement of " what Canadians think"

Posted by: cal2 at January 16, 2007 11:30 PM

Iberia said: "Poor Kate...paying for bandwidth so that people can come to SDA and recycle their childish insults and empty rhetoric."

Is the pot calling the kettle black? Methinks you doth protest too much.

Besides, Iberia, why should only you have all the fun?

Posted by: Shamrock at January 17, 2007 1:08 PM

remember its not Iberia its lberia , small L. named himself after the russky lefty.

Posted by: cal2 at January 17, 2007 1:39 PM

Greg does a hatchet job on Khan today in the sun.

Posted by: mary T. at January 18, 2007 10:35 AM
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