You just know from the history of these staged political events that they had the ONLY liberal farmer in the province there.....check the guy further you'll find he's a party officer of some sirt. Frik this Lieberal media theater is growing stale.

The honesty of the Libranos never disappoints. Power, always, at any cost, by any means.

I think that you'll see someone other than Dion answering questions more and more frequently.

There is first the problem that Dion is totally and utterly incomprehensible in English.
And second, that he comes across as arrogant, controlling and vindictive in his answers to questions.

The Liberal Party is trying to reduce Dion's public 'ad hoc' presentations, allow only staged interviews that can be controlled for questions and don't put Dion 'on the spot', and reduce the requirement for him to, rather than simply repeat the Party Line, answer in a spontaneous (and incomprehensible) manner.

And on QP,Owly Oliver just touting Schizuki,as an ICON of the environment..then slags Khan for not coming on QP.EARTH TO CRAIG..world does not revolve around you.

Maybe Dion will ask for Goodale to stand at the podium with him during the debates as well. That's about the only way he'll avoid being skewered.

Has there been one public appearance where Dion didn't say something mangled/non-sensical, radical, or offensive?

That's exactly the point, mitch - that in every single public appearance, Dion has been, not only incomprehensible, but offensive, insulting, ignorant and arrogant.

The Liberal BackRoom Boys are trying to lessen his presentations by now always having a 'handler' around to immediately take over answering questions.

Watch - and you'll see that from now on, Dion is always accompanied by a 'handler' who takes over the discussion.

As for the leader debates - I wonder, I wonder, The Liberals will have to get out of them. I wonder how they'll manage to get out of them. If they can't, they'll reduce them to irrelevance. They have to. Dion is a disaster - not merely because he can't speak English, But in himself.

He's vindictive, arrogant, controlling and ignorant; he's highly manipulative - and that's just great for winning a leadership contest. But it's not 'just great' for being the leader of a country.

In the coming campaign will the liberal war room keep dion out of sight, like they did Truedeau for an entire election campaign. For such a wimpy looking guy, he does come across as arragant, my way or no way, and sends the message, if you don't support me or my dream team you are stupid. Body language and facial expressions tell a lot about him. He is a real control freak and scary and his hidden agenda is rape Alberta.

ET, spot on. Honest(?) Ralphie is Cretin's proxy to deal with Stephanie's hoof in mouth problem.

Mitch, I predict Dion will be skewered in the next elections debates in both English and French.

What about his continuing to be a citizen of France, I thought under French law a French citizen is not permitted to hold any political position, such as leader of the opposition, in a foreign country.

I want to secure a govt. grant to study the stupidity of lieberal voters. There must be someone that knows where you can get these grants,these morons must be studied and a paper written. Anyone stupid or dull enough to vote for this new liar Dion must be outed and shunned, this university asshole couldnt feed himself in a dumpster behind a Mcdonalds as he cuts a swath through the west with his sycophants in tow bad mouthing oil workers and farmers, f...ing arrogance of these humanoids amazes me.

ET Said" There is first the problem that Dion is totally and utterly incomprehensible in English."

yes but what he does mange to burble out tells me all I need to know...we got another arrogant, Quebec-centric Fancy commie college boy in the Librano hot seat again....personally I think Dion has the arrogance and ideological belligerence to push this global socialist UN crap on the west and he will be the spark that gets the western separation band wagon going...he learned from his mentor the Cretch and he only knows how ti use federal authority to bully through easten socialist agendas that are abhorant to the west.

Either he will be replaced when the Libs see their western support dwindle to nothing after Dion's national socialist agenda pissing us off or (if he ever gets any of his UN commie agendas in federal staute), Alberta will hold a bug-out party so fast it will make a Quebecois demigod's head swim.

Mitch said: "Has there been one public appearance where Dion didn't say something mangled/non-sensical, radical, or offensive?"

Is this not Deja vu? What other language mangling, gaffe prone Quebec demigod characature set this public image inti the cutesy ""petit gar" media image?

Who was Dion's mentor and laeadership sponsor? Who's agenda is he following? Contrary to the Liberal party BS about Dion being the neutral candidate to calm the war between the Martin and Chretien camps....Dion is pure Chretien school and Desmarais-powercor sponsored....we gots us another Powercor commie in the Librano leader's seat.

Fortunately, like all Liberal candidates, Dion carries around a litre of Jean Chretien's blood
for emergency spine-stiffening situations.

The trick, as with most "liberal juju"... is not administering an overdose.

Citizen Dion is now the muted/silenced puppet/dummy on Ralph's knee. It's an admission that Dion is a liability for the Liberals. Bah, oui.
BTW, Ralph learned his communication skills at Mother Corp.

Fact: Goodale is the de facto leader of the Libs. Prediction: Dion will be gone, sooner than later. Trust-Me Goodale will be the next Lib leader. ...-

Ralph's Credentials include:

Parliamentarian of the Year (2006): Ralph Goodale

(His voice is sonorous enough that as a student he landed summer work in Regina as a CBC Radio announcer.)

Unlike his clan, hers has roots in Saskatchewan Liberalism going back to the storied Jimmy Gardiner machine of the 1920s and '30s.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/27112006/21/parliamentarian-year-ralph-goodale.html

With the staged interview with Mckague: The LIEberals are sure newsMAKERS. They will do whatever they can to retain power.

Funny,when Harper made the bio-fuel announcement many Liberal's and Liberal bloggers ridiculed it saying bio-fuel was useless in addressing ghg.
Here's an example:

"Harper’s Biofuel Connection

I have to confess that I’ve always been a little skeptical about the phantom promise of biofuels, especially the most typical model used in North America based on the production of corn and soybeans. It’s frequently overlooked by many that cultivation of these crops requires huge quantities of fossil fuel for farm machinery, pesticides and fertilizer, not to mention that their mass production as practiced in North America is generally regarded as being ecologically unsustainable. Effects include massive topsoil erosion, pollution of surface and groundwater with pesticides, and fertilizer runoff. So why have the Conservatives chosen to focus their efforts, as somewhat limited though they are, on this particular form of alternative energy?"

Of course this same blogger made this post the day before.

"All well and good, but there are a few problems with the Conservative’s proposal… First, it’s woefully inadequate. Speaking in Winnipeg today, Stéphan Dion blasted it saying, “The Prime Minister has failed to seize a golden opportunity to make significant advances in the way that Canadians use fuel. By choosing to only mandate that Canadian fuels contain 5 per cent renewable content, he is not going far enough.” Dion has committed to increasing the ethanol content in Canadian gasoline and diesel fuel to 10 per cent by 2010. This is the highest level of ethanol that can currently be used in cars and trucks that are made in Canada without making substantial changes to the way cars are made.

So am i to assume Dion's bio-fuel announcement is twice as bad?

Check out the photo of Dion and Dryden in todays g&m. Does Ken ever smile. Is that frown frozen on his face. He had the same look in photos during the trip to alberta. Must be mad he isn't leader.
Every opposition has had a shadow cabinet, so why all the spin re dion doing the same. We know who will be in it, bisson, volpe, dryden, iggy, maybe goodale, and of course bs, fry, and some other women. Question is will goodale be included, or is he the next one to be asked to leave the caucus or find he wants more time with his family. Maybe he will appoint Rae and Kennedy, after all, Dion was appointed by Chretain without being elected and made a member of the Privy Councel. Then, chretain had to buy his election in the next election. Dion is being led by chretain and the martin chretain fight is still being fought.

If the Liberals have to get Dion out of the next leadership debate, it will be done.

Simple. The, in-the-libs-back-pocket, media will take a "poll" and "report" that the "people" no longer want live TV debates. Instead, a new formate. A taped, staged "speak-to-the-nation" format with "color-commentary" by Boag, Taber and Oliver.

"Independent Farmer Sighting".

Will it enter the lexicon like Steyn's "Brutal Afghan Winter"?

Brava Kate!

I can't wait for a photo op of John Turner patting Stephane Dion's ass.

My take was that Dion was a defensive move by the Libranos, meant to keep Harper from getting more traction in Quebec and thus a majority, while they went through the ranks looking for a real leader that could possibly win election after next.

maybe ralphie was stopping beaker from talking about all the easy money the people in the oil patch are making. this waste of skin has the nerve to talk about something he knows nothing about(true liberal). my son works at fort mac ....14hour days up there for his "easy money" maybe beaker should put on a pair of carharts and try some real work for a change and then head back to his homeland....FRANCE.

B. Hoax Aware. Exactly.

The Liberals have to remove Dion from active debates. It's not only that he's incomprehensible in English. But it's that his real nature is apparent in open interactive discussion; he's manipulative, arrogant, ignorant, vindictive and extremely controlling.

So, more and more, we are going to see Dion presented on stage, giving only his preset speech. Questions will be dealt with by an ever-present 'Handler' who will step up to the mike and take questions. Dion will only appear in direct conversations in situations where the questions are predetermined, in preset TV interviews. Never, ever, in off-the-cuff remarks. His real nature is then revealed.

Dion is a disaster for the Liberals. Dion managed to manipulate his way to the leadership within a delegation of pro-Liberals, but, it's far more difficult to 'sell' himself in a situation less amenable to manipulation - ie - an election campaign.

So, the Liberal BackRoom boys have to deal with this disastrous new leader. They have to remove him from direct interviews, set up all public interactions within a tightly stage-managed format, always have a Handler there to take over the mike.
And prevent the debates. Or smear them to irrelevance.

The Liberal war plan, in my view, is to focus on the Cloud Dwelling ideology of Quebec - which wants its socialist lifestyle maintained. Dion will claim that he and only he, can leach out Alberta's wealth to give to Quebec. Dion wants seats, a LOT of seats, in Quebec.

And, the other agenda is to set himself up as Chief Pontiff and Imam of the new religion, the Kyoto Religion. The agenda here is to get obeisance not only from the many supplicants in Quebec, but also from seat-rich Ontario latte land. Dion wants seats in Ontario and he has to fight Layton to define himself as the Chief Pontiff of the Kyoto Religion.

With seats from the Bloc in Quebec, and Liberal/NDP seats in Ontario- Dion hopes for a minority gov't. The fact that he intends to split Canada into West and East is irrelevant; he has only one agenda. As he (and Chretien) said - the only agenda is Winning.
Not the good of Canada or Canadians. Winning Power. That's all.

Watch how Dion and the Liberals work.

Was wondering today,if this "win the west"tour of Dion's had been going swimmingly...why isn't Cheerleader Cherniak all over it?? Not one word! and if he does post on it..I'm just waiting for all you "easy money"crowd to be all over it.That is,IF he allows post to appear.

ET, to bad that you didn't have a column in a paper.
You really have a way of putting it in black and white! I think I will copy and save this comment. ET's bang on prediction!

Canadians will insist on understanding the product they are being sold by Ottawa.

We are living in an interactive age .. .witness SDA.
Witness the Apple Stores which are minimalist but interactive

I was in an Apple outlet in Toronto yesterday. It was jammed full with people of all ages and all colours. The presentation of product is incredibly minimalist, less is more. They have very little inventory on display, but it’s interactive. The sales force is very very good. I understand that Apple picks 1 out of every 200 qualified applicants to work in their stores.

Conservatives have to be like the Mac. Less is more. Stay focused but adapt to change.
We have to continue to keep our message simple. But we have to listen …as we have been for example on the environment. We have to tackle the problems of the nation in an interactive way that respects the voter like a customer. That’s what Apple does. It adapts terrific technology in a simple way.

Dinosaur Dion cannot be interactive. He can’t even speak English. For 13 years, Liberals have kicked all the problems of Health Care, Equalization, and fiscal imbalance forward to the next guy and treated everything with emotion not fact. Liberals are the opposite of an Apple store. They are all about emotional sales and no interaction with the customer.

Liberals tried to prevent change and became the frog in the boiling water that didn’t jump out while it could.

We can beat Dion the Dino .. we must keep it simple and adapt to change.

"That is,IF he allows post to appear"

Too true.Cherniak likes to make blatant allegations/smears and yet when you prove him wrong with links or quotes from the news media he won't allow the post.

Latest case in point:In regards to Khan's defection he is now trying to say Dion never issued an ultimatum.I tried to post Dion's official press release where Dion states he issued the ultimatum.

And the worst one for Cherniak is his ongoing whine that Harper mislead the media about talking with Dion on the nation motion.Several times i tried to post the interview on a New Brunswick radio station where Dion said three times Harper called him on the phone.And then when Dion changed his story to being called by the pmo.

Do you think they just go to the Nodice site to find their "independent farmers"?

Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me.

Bartinsky-Please let us know when you get your grant, I want to be on your committee. Perhaps the place to look is under the Arts grants. You want to paint/write,publish a new art form mural, the subject which will be-Our liberal PMs thruout history and their effect on the mindset of cdns.
If one can get a grant to produce a MEAT DRESS, POSE NAKED IN PUBLIC, your request should pass with flying colors. Just remember, the new color for libs is green as red means danger or stop.
As for the debates, watch for dion to make a big splash that if May is not included, he will decline to participate, or he will come down with a severe case of laryingitis minutes before air time and Chretain will take his place.

This is a good post/thread.

Damning for Dion.

I cannot help but get the idea that perhaps Ralphie Goodies spoke for the leader because Dion is not only inept with one of the two official languages; perhaps he's not as smart as we've been led to believe (perhaps he's an idiot savant whose only area of competency is exposing the stupidity of the PQ and Bloc, not that that's all that hard to do).

Perhaps Stephane is also too slow to formulate a decent answer to a question?

Hats off to Ralphie Goodies for his fine babysitting job of the Napsack-Toting Rain Man! I bet Stephane has a teddy bear or something in his napsack...

Like the speech-impaired Warren Kinsella has a purple dinosaur in his gym bag, which he carries with himself into TV studios for some reason...

It is clear that Stephane Dion’s has done such a poor job with the media that he now has others speaking on his behalf. He has single handedly wasted the honeymoon given to him and his Liberal party on a platter by the MSM by and his constant gaffes and his failure to sell his party’s platform.

Last week on QP, even Craig Oliver, who is by no means friendly to the Conservatives criticized Stephane Dion, saying that telling us that he will be the greenest Prime Minister is not good enough without telling us his party’s plan on the environment.

from Steffs news conferance.

fur sustanabull devulopmennt mr gooddale willbe make de annouwncement in advanced to our liberal farmars. the canadien whit boart will be de sole buyour fur dis bio fuel . if it tacks won and won half liteers of fuel to produce whit or rye or baarley for won liteer of fuels we can eggspect the subbsidies from de alberta oyal sands to pay fur dat.

yes there is a ad campaigned for dis wish will be ruin by de GroupAction unner mr martin .

The reason one is uneasy in Dion's lepredious presence ? Is that a person becomes exposed to the long forgotten feeling one got as a child in the dark. With the night horror's waiting, to pounce upon you from every shade or din.

He has nothing but distain for "commoners" as he see's them. Nothing but an endless thirst for power. Backed by corrupt collectivistic elites. Like Creitien as godfather, with Maurice Strong & power corp playing the Spider King. Canadians are only the tools for there convience. Beware there perverse tongues ,always causing divisiveness!

Canada as there fief. Milk cow, with a retreat if beset by exposure to there dark dealings by those with the power to gage them.

This is why our Justice system is a joke. Our prisons comfort zones for evil doers.

Dion is a carrier of this viral infection known as socialism. Like any disease it has its carriers, immunes, survivors & the dead. So many dead from this mental malignancy.

Yet this contagion has infected the Eastern Canada to a point where the true believers are delusional. Dion only facilitates there frenzy, with the promise of Utopia.

Threw surrender of our honor or word to allies. Fairy tales of the world dying, & other such illogicality treated as fact. Promises of imaginary wealth . Not worked for. Gain without sacrifice. All the pathologies of selfish children ,offered us with our own angst stained money, bought with the loss of adult liberties becoming forfeit. These personnel freedoms are not considered real by Dion ,& those who follow their attitude.

Make wrong right. Black is now green. Lower educational standards. No social mobility. Rights are a fancy to sooth the masses, only the collective archetype matters.

I feel for the sane Easterners left in the wake of this plague. The mad tumblers of misinformation cavorting about, twittering there nonsense every moment. To stem off any impression of reality.

It would drive the sane to despondency!!

Meanwhile he will kill this Nation, leaving a husk like Zimbabwe with no culture , no economy left. No law, tribal, split into factions all hating each other. Till the system degenerates like France is today. This is Citizen of France. Dions & company's designs.

A European socialist dying state. Backed by the EU anti-American interests. Plus the ever reliable bent Liberal party.

Make no mistake, for supremacy, these guys will do or say anything!

Alberta will leave. Where realists, not separatists. Looking to have this moon beam as a PM means where saying adios, if it ever occurs. This whitened gravestone, is a nation buster.

As for keeping Dion out of sight during the campaign - if Trudeau Junior runs, you can be sure that cardboard cutout will be the face of the campaign, keeping the droning pedant Dion well off to the side. I watched Dion with the Liberals' court jester, Rick Mercer, the other night. Dion was unintelligible.

Reverent Dream . . . umm, maybe you should cut back on the coffee, you sound like a liberal from last year. "If Stephen Harper wins he'll ban abortions and we'll go to war in Iraq! People will be rounded up and put in concentration camps!"

Sheesh. Take a deep breath. Even if Dion does win (unlikely) he isn't going to ruin the country. Alberta and Saskatchewan maybe, but not the country.

Cheers,
lance

With all the fear re global warming/freezing etc, what guarantee does dion give western farmers that we will not have a severe drought and limited production of crops for this new fuel. Does he plan to buy if from Iraq, the hated USA, or Australia. Has this possible cost been factored into his plan. Just heard Craig issue an angry blast at Khan. Good for Khan, to stay away from that show. Craig wants the report he wrote, I want dion to publish his 65 page report on his environmental plan. Taxpayers also paid for that, but no mention of that secrecy from Craig.
Remember, stay away from travel to Toronto, cdns get killed there, by guns.

cal2, "..if it tacks won and won half liteers of fuel to produce whit or rye or baarley for won liteer of fuels .." Dion.

Maybe not quite one and arf. However, 1976 U of M (for what it is worth) reseach showed way back then that it is not economical. More like comical.

But how long will Pinnochio Dion be able to sit on Giuseppe Goodale's knee?

On Question Period I saw Suzuki's bit as well. The master of all things scientific is comfortably and arrogantly sitting as the high priest of climate change, elected by the Canadian media. It's apparent that every politician, regardless of party must now worship at his knee. Baird has now paid homage and bowed low enough to be noticed by the exalted one.

But what is Pinnochio Dion and Suicide Suzuki not saying?

How about the most significant so-called greenhouse gas is not carbon dioxide - it's water vapour. And how about the fact that 70% of the earth is covered by water. Comparatively, somewhere less than 15% of the world is covered by matter and the means that is emanating carbon dioxide. Hmmm.

And of the 15%, let's see, are we to believe that coal plants and SUV's are effecting climate change more than ocean currents, carbon flux in the oceans, irregular solar flux, a wobbly earth orbit, an accelerating shift of magnetic north and periodic episodes of widespread volcanic activity? (The volcano Krakotoa emplaced the industrial equivalent of decades worth of ash and other pollutants into the atmosphere in less than two days).

In the Geological Association of Canada journal last year, a paper was presented demonstrating that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide appear to follow increases in temperature, not precede them. Ooops!

That's rock hard science versus Suzuki's soft salad pseudo-science.

Or, I wonder if the liar and the suicidalist understand the fact that because we've had a mild winter in much of the country, the burning of fossil fuels for heating has gone way down and so has the consequent emissions of carbon dioxide?

In leiu of mounting evidence and rational understanding, Kyoto is nothing more than a pernicious plan to redistribute wealth.

Pinnochio needs his nose cut off and Suzuki should commit Hari Kari.

Hmmm...CTV and Global TV describe Lonny McKague, a Liberal Party member and former Liberal MP candidate, in a Dion puff piece as "a farmer from Ogema, Sask." Makes McKague sound downright "Little-House-On-The Prarie"ish, eh?!

This is a very telling example of either total incompetence or extreme bias on the part of those two networks. While it MIGHT be a reflection of incompetence, I'm more of the opinion it's knowingly a lie-by-omission, a despicable example of propagandizing on the networks' part.

Lance:

Sheesh. Take a deep breath. Even if Dion does win (unlikely) he isn't going to ruin the country. Alberta and Saskatchewan maybe, but not the country.

Cheers,
lance

Your last sentance say's it all. I need say nothing else.

Happy Trails.

Lappier (sp) just announced that in his riding he is leaving a membership of 1000 and 50,000 in the bank. I thought that riding was a bell weather one, but if it only has 1000 members, that is less than many conservative ridings in the west. He also stated he thinks dion will not allow Justin Trudeau to run, he is saving that riding and Martins for his star appointments. Don't the voters of Quebec have a say in who runs in what ridings. He said the riding association will follow dions ORDERS. And they call Harper a control freak. Does dion have 308 people he plans to appoint as candidates, will the liberals of Que and Ont rebel at this dictator. I thought we had democracy in Canada. And what happens to dion if all or most of his choices are defeated. He should quit looking into the mirror and asking, Who is the smartest of them all, and getting the answer, You are my master, and believing it. And remember, the kyoto accord runs out in 2012, and will probably not be renewed. Perhaps Duceppe and Harper can make hay out of dions dictatorship antics, by telling voters, with us, you have a choice. Wasn't it quebec voters that got angry over Fortiers appointment to the senate and made a cabinet minister. Hyprocricy is the liberals middle name. Boy, did giggles get mad at Peter, constantly interrupting him re Khans report. Why let her see it to tear it apart and call it lies. She actually asked Peter if said report actually exists. Ask dion if his 65 page report exists and who paid for it. My wish is for dion to come out of the next election with a worse record than Kim.
Bet Sheila Copps is laughing at them all, and thankful she is out of there.

Even if Dion does win (unlikely) he isn't going to ruin the country. Alberta and Saskatchewan maybe, but not the country. -Lance

Close, Lance, but not entirely correct.

If Dion wins, he ruins Alberta (and probably the whole Western region). Once that happens, the whole country is screwed! Remember, Alberta does the heavy lifting for the federation, followed by B.C. If the West becomes "have-not" due to NEP II and some stupid commie agricultural policies of the Liebrano$$$, then the other provinces get no equalization, as they'll be equal anyway... equally screwed and in deficit!

The Liberals want to do to the West what they've already done to the once-strong-and-prosperous Atlantic region.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Re-electing the Liebrano$$$ would give new life and vigor to the separatist movements of the West and Quebec. And I, for one, wouldn't blame those movements. Who in their right mind wants to be part of a federation that's ruled most of the time by a criminal organization?!

Remember these words: the Liberal Party of Canada will destroy Canada if it gets re-elected time and time again.

For heavens sake don't dis Dions english.

Remeber what happened when a campaign ad made fun of Chretiens slur and slanted face the bleeding heart of this country flocked to him in droves.

Not saying that being bleeding hearts is a bad thing just that; That is who we are and if you use those tactics you will lose and rightly so.

I speak french albeit very badly but when offered the chance at least I try and Dion should be afforded the same leaniency or you face the spectre of alienating the french population not only in Quebec but all through out canada from Newfoundland Labrador to British Colombia.

Mr. McKague was Ralph's best man at his wedding. An independent farmer, should of asked him also about the CWB or does he hope to sell his wheat to the ethanol, bio-fuel industry?

"That is who we are and if you use those tactics you will lose and rightly so."

Wrong. Screwface had a disability and the PC's gaffed on using it. Make no mistake, screwface used it to his utmost advantage.
Dion has no disability other that he didn't take the time to learn proper english, says alot about him.
Bleeding hearts my ass. Where was all the indignation when the media slammed Harper on everything from shaking his son's hand to his paunch?
Bleeding hearts? More like lazy brains waiting for CBC to give them their opinion for the day.

Do they mean if the liberals had a uncontestable majority for 26 years in a row (instead of only 13), that they might actually keep some of their promises?

NL Expatriate. The ratio of French people West of Ontario is minimal.

And as has been pointed out, Chretien's speech in both English AND French was mangled - and he certainly made the most of it. It enabled him to slither out of answering any question. He played the victim to the hilt - 'da liddle guy from Shawinigan'. Heh; he's an oil billionaire.

The fact that you speak mangled French is irrelevant. You aren't setting yourself up to be the Prime Minister of a country where 80% of the population speak English. If Harper could learn to speak excellent French, then, Dion could learn to speak passable English. He has chosen not to. It isn't that his speech is mangled; it is incomprehensible.

And when you do understand what he's saying, you can only be shocked at his ignorance, his arrogance, his contempt for people.

Alienating the French population - in Quebec? My dear boy - that French population is, in the vast majority, not interested in The ROC except as a trough to sustain their socialist lifestyle.

hang out your willy for biofuel

http://www.businessandmedia.org/news/2006/news20060105b.asp

biofuels make no sense. in Dions word "dis woold be nonsence"

http://www.environmental-expert.com/resulteacharticle4.asp?cid=21293&codi=6668&idproducttype=6&level=7

google biofuel inefficient and you get more hits than Stronach bimbo. both are true.stronach bitch gets more hits so my MSM logic , votes for things make them true.

Has anyone seen anything in MSM about Dion's fiasco in Alberta re: "easy money"? The lib media is doing him a big favour again by not showing this. But they are quite ready to have Goodale's best man(you know that for sure john?)speak for the farmer's.
I agree with the comment about Dion's accent, and inability to speak good English. The fact that he says strange things is more of an issue than how he speaks.Belittling his accent contributes to a divide as much as his lame statement about easy money and the milk cow.

I just saw David Zuzuki and Craig Oliver on QP for CTV, Dave's last line was very informative, he said that a great deal of the momentum of the Kayota hoax depends on how long the media can keep up the force feeding program. This begs the question: 'Who is picking up the tab?'

It also blatantly illuminates the (false) claim to anti biased reporting that the CTV claims as one of their precedents. Craig was all smiles for Dave.

Question:anyone else notice that link to Lib.Leadership race,and convention still prominently displayed sidebar at G&M.In case you haven't already had your fill,head on over for refresher.

vf - people are not belittling Dion's accent; they are criticizing him because he can't speak English. It's not his accent; it's that he can't say an intelligible sentence in English. Don't forget, 80% of the population of Canada speaks English.

And then, when you figure out what he's said - which means replacing the mangled words, the totally 'new' words, the lack of grammar and the incoherence - when you figure that out, by then, you realize how he has insulted you, belittled you, insisted that he is The Supreme King and that All Must Obey Him. That's quite something.

The Liberals are stuck with him; even if he loses the next election, he's arrogant and tenacious; he'd never resign as leader.

Their only tactic in dealing with this, is..speculation...to attempt to get the votes in Quebec and the Ontario latte areas. They'll ignore the West except to use it to show how and where they'll get the money. If they can get the seats from the Bloc in Quebec, and LatteLand in Ontario and a few Maritime - then, they'll have a minority. But they must, must, above all, get those seats in Quebec.

Watch the Liberals over the next few weeks. He's got to be Priest of the Kyoto Religion to get both Quebec and LatteLand. And he's got to Bash the West to get Quebec. He's also got to turn against Afghanistan, be anti-American....

The NDP, of course, will fight them for the LatteLand seats. And the Bloc will fight for the Quebec seats. Interesting. Their main opponents then, are these two parties. Not the Conservatives.

I saw question period too. The whole thing is enough to make one barf.
Suzuki did not present one single fact, just a pile of hyperbole. He slagged Rona Ambrose, Prime Minister Harper, And was condescending to Baird.
Oliver fed him his cues, and was obviously delighted with the answers
The next segment was with Ruby Dhalla and a dipper (forget the name) which was even more biased.
Looks like the media are trying hard to elect the next government as they said they would do.

Anyone remember a week ago when Kinsella,Cherniak,and a bunch of other Liberal hacks were whining about Bourque getting paid for his headlines,and alleging the Conservatives were doing this under the table as dirty tricks?

Well,one of the things they eluded to was how the blog dailycanuck never sold its headlines,even though it was a daily dose of Dion praise/Harper bashing.

Doing a little research,i found that the dailycanuck is produced by superblogs publishing inc,who in turn is owned by The Element Agency.

Here's the website.Check out the clients list and particularly the head of the leadership team,Don Millar.

http://www.theelementagency.com/main.html

Seeing as the Liberal party is paying this firm who in turn post praising stories od Dion while slamming Harper every dait looks like Kinsella et. al. should try and explain this partisan advertising which is not attributed to the Liberal party.

Dion is going to need someone to be at his side to translate his garbled English to plain English. Maybe the Venerable Ralph could fill the bill, Ralph speaks English only but it may fall under some Official Languages Portfolio.

One thing you gotta give Ralphy, he gives the appearance he is in charge of whatever and really has great knowledge on all manner of subjects don't you know.

Who's the Leader? You'll have to go behind the curtain for the answer, don't get tangled in the strings.

what on earth is going on in Venezuala? Chavez now adopting strategies of the 'madman from tehran'??
thank (fill in the blank) we have PMSH....with lame duck GWB, we are going to need serious leadership going forward...if Chavez funds any terror in this hemisphere, it becomes a whole new ballgame...

Dion's mentor and Mesiah, Suzuki on The Weather Network;

To his credit, Chris Sinclair asked Jacuzzi a couple of questions, albeit soft ones.

CS; but some people do not buy the man-made-calamity-thing ??

Suuker; ah, naw, just a infintestimal minority.

(Translation; a minority of Media types don't buy the scam, all others are suckers for it. And the vast majority of other Canadians can see through the Hoax.)

CS; why did you change from calling it 'global warming' to climate change' ??

Suuker; ah, well, ah stutter stutter, ya see global warming is just warming but CG can mean anything, .. sorta.

(Translation; If we kept calling it GW and it got cooler, well, we would look stupid.Ya see, GW can mean colder too. Aw huh.

Now we just don't call it climate change any more neither. Nope.

At the UN meeting in Narobi last fall we introduced 'Climate Injustice' Ya see, if the climate does not, in fact, change out side of the natural variation we can say, ya, but, the poor socialist and dictatorist countries cannot live as well as the Democratic Free countries of the world.

So to hell with Medicare and education and all that. You Canadian working stiffs have to give your tax dollars to the likes of Castros and Coffi Annans and Putins of the world. And of couse the CBC, who made me famous.)

(Acknowlegement to Multi-Media Translation services.)

NDP can win votes from the Libranos in Quebec by backing Quebec's 'nation within a nation/have it both ways' aspirations , and promising to tax the bejeebers out of the Western energy bonanza in the name of the environment to subsidize more union jobs in La Belle Province. And then there's the whole middle east thing... He doesn't really have to worry about alienating Trawna... they're not awake anyway... too stressed making sure they get to the Daycare center to pick up the kids before the surcharges kick in to pay much attention to anything.

Have to agree with most here, Dion can't win a majority. For an educated man he has no style, no grace, and, if he were a Western Conservative, would be referred to in the MSM as a 'redneck".

With the Libs stuck with this clown for the forseeable future, one has to wonder when Stephen Harper will get the invitation to an audience with Mr. Demerais. His policy is, if you can't beat 'em, buy 'em, so Harper should expect the call soon.

Hope he's able to resist the offers from the "King" of Canada. Seat on the board of several of Demerais' corporations, at a healthy stipend for each?
Hmmm, could add up to big money, Steve, maybe you'd better rethink this "integrity" thing.

ET writes:

"He's vindictive, arrogant, controlling and ignorant; he's highly manipulative - and that's just great for winning a leadership contest. But it's not 'just great' for being the leader of a country."

Similar words have been used to describe Harper.

Judging by hysterical comments and ad hominem attacks coming from conservative bloggers against Dion since he won the Liberal leadership, it appears as if you all are ready to crap in your pants. But then again, maybe conservatives have a reason to worry: last time around they barely won a minority against a feeble, corrupt Liberal government; this time, with a new leader, anything could happen. Liberals don't have to win many seats in the west in order to get back into power.

dmorris:

Is Peter Mackay still dating Sophie Desmarais?

It's all about the environment. Action on that front has never been more URGENT since the Conservatives came to power. The sky will fall if they don't act.
Never mind the Liberals did nothing significant for ten years AFTER they signed Kyoto.
All the mouthpieces and high priests of clean air are suddenly coming out and preaching gloom and doom with the ready aye ready airspace of the MSM.

Lorrie Goldstein sums it up well in his column today in Toronto Sun "Hysteria Heats UP". READ IT!

The Liberals elected Dion as there leader, despite his failure at English. This despite the fact that they should be courting the west. Or, do they want to? It seems to me by electing Dion, they have sent a clear signal that they don't care. The Liberal attitude is, as Scott Reid let everyone know, "Alberta can blow me."

This guy cannot speak English, the language of the vast majority in Canada. I believe this shows contempt for the west and in fact all English speaking Canadians, given that it's the law that you have to be bilingual to get a fed job in this country.

I doubt Dion had ever bothered to travel west of Ontario prior to joining the Liberals.

He's also condescending and arrogant. He seems to ignore the fact that his party is not the government. In fact, by his recent statements, he seems to be assuming that the current state of affairs is an abhoration and the Liberals will assume their rightfull place as the natural governing party. - almost advising Alberta to prepare - defacto.

On top of that, despite criticism and ignoring what is morally right, he maintains his French Citizenship. This is extreme arrogance and contempt.

Canadians have every right to make issue of his glaring and obvious faults. He wants to lead the country and therefore represent us. However, his shortcomings prove that he and his party are only interested in representing themselves and the usual Liberal status quo of arrogance, corruption and progression into becoming a socialist state.

"Similar words have been used to describe Harper."

Sure, by liberals and the moonbat media throwing shite at the wall and hoping it sticks.He's scary and fat as well.

"this time, with a new leader, anything could happen. Liberals don't have to win many seats in the west in order to get back into power."

If Canadians are dumb enough to vote that decay back in as the governing party, I can't say that I will blame Alberta if it throws up a firewall.

"Similar words have been used to describe Harper."

They just weren't used by Dion, at least not in English.

And it ain't ad hominem if it's the truth. Watch him fry under the media glare and perhaps despite it.

BTW, it's not fear, it's loathing.

Iberia - the criticisms of Dion aren't 'ad hominem'. Kindly check what that term means. The comments on Dion's personality are criticisms. Valid criticisms, based on his words and actions.

What are some, just some, of his words and actions that have led to such commentary? This is barely a month since he was 'crowned'.

1) His immmediate name-calling, after his becoming Leader, of Harper as 'far-right, mean-spirited, control-freak'. None of that is valid, since there is no evidence for such a description. Therefore, he was engaged in the reprehensible act of defamation.

2)His treatment of Khan, with his insistence that Khan not work for 'the government' but only for the Liberals'. This partisan perspective ignores that the Opposition has an important role to play in GOVERNMENT and is not just the 'Power-in-Waiting'. In addition, other committees exist made up of members of all parties.
Dion ignores that the electorate sent a variety of parties to parliament; not just the winning party.

3)His self-references to 'Harper asking for his advice on the 'Quebecois-Nation' Motion - when this was untrue. Truthfulness is a requirement, don't you think?

4)His ignorance about Kyoto, which is a money-transference scheme and not a pollution-emission control scheme. His manipulation of the electorate, many who have moved into this new Kyoto Religion, in order to get votes.

5) His treatment of the West - defining their work as 'easy money'; stating that he will set up a carbon tax etc. He insulted all these workers.

6)His expectations that the West will fund the East (ie Quebec). He's creating an East-West divide and that is open to criticism.

7)His statement that he will insist on an equal number of women running in Liberal ridings. That is authoritarian (control-freak?) and ignores the local riding wishes. This is open to criticism.

8)The fact that he refuses to discuss, validly, his dual citizenship. His invalid 'appeal to pity and emotion' claim to that citizenship is that it 'reminds him of his mother'. That's an invalid argument. And, it is disturbing that he insists that 'his' Liberals are only allowed a partisan loyalty to the Liberal Party (Khan)while he, Dion, is allowed a dual loyalty to two different countries. For someone aspiring to be PM, that belief and his assertion of it, is open to critique.

9)His inability to speak English. This is serious; it's not trivial. More than 80% of the population speak English; Dion can't even get an articulate sentence out in that language, ie, it's not his accent; he can't speak English. That's insulting. Harper has made great effort to learn French - for the 20% who speak that language. Dion's inability is therefore open to criticism.

10) His blaming Harper for environmental problems - ignoring that the Liberals were in power for 13 years, signed Kyoto with a 6% reduction far above Canadian economic and technological capacities; that he, Dion, was Minister of the Environment; and that the Liberals had NO, NO, NO plan to reduce emissions but were planning to send billions of taxpayer dollars overseas as 'guilt money'.

Those are just ten items. In one month. Dion deserves every critique; it's rare to find someone so utterly inept. One has to be astonished at the Liberals for choosing him. Now, they are doing their best to 'deal with him'; he's got handlers to do the talking, for instance. Watch for more.

OT, slightly.

That other spouter of hot air, Taliban Jack Lay+on, will be in Saskatoon on Thursday for a booksigning at McNally Robinson. 11:00-12:30.

I've been saving junk mail from him for over a year, none of it ever opened. I think I'll go throw it at him!

French citizen Dion to Canadians.
Let Moi, I, I, I, make myself clear.

Moi, I, Moi, am the Emperor/L'Empereur of/du Canada.

Moi's/My words are Law.

L'etat c'est Moi. I am Emperor. ...-

Dion: Punish energy firms who don’t reduce emissions
‘If you do the right thing, you pay less’
By The Canadian Press

CALGARY — Federal Liberal Leader Stephane Dion says Canada needs penalties for energy companies that don’t reduce carbon dioxide emissions and water use, especially in Alberta’s booming oilsands region.

"If you do the right thing, you pay less; if you don’t do it, you pay more," Dion told a Calgary radio talkshow Friday. "The ones who are doing that will be rewarded and the ones that are not doing that will be penalized in the market where they need to be competitive." ...-

"You will have a regulation that means . . . the industry will have to decreases their emissions by 10 per cent," he said as an example. "If you are able to decrease it by 15 per cent, you may sell the extra five per cent cut of emissions on the market to the ones that are unable to reach the target."

Dion also took aim at oilsands giants, saying he would like to remove generous royalty incentives if firms didn’t meet emissions targets that would be set by the government.

"What I will do is I will say to them, ‘I will remove it from you unless you have much lower emissions of CO2 and much less use of water.’

"So they will have an incentive to look for the best technologies and the best industrial processes."

"This is what they are doing in other countries, in Europe, and in some U.S. states now. It’s starting and it’s working very well. It’s time for us to do that in Canada as well," he said. "Your competitors will have to pay you if you are doing the right thing."

Dion said his regulations would be demanding, but reasonable. They would be based on what he planned to do as environment minister before the Liberals were defeated by the Conservatives in the last election, he added. ...-
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/552554.html

"What I will do is I will say to them, ‘I will remove it from you unless you have much lower emissions of CO2 and much less use of water.’

And 'they' will go...Huh?

Hell, the media can't even quote this bonehead in English.

A GW poll heading toward an unintended conclusion: http://rm.angusreidforum.com/?cid=178&rs=GgEnGW Was 59/41 yesterday; now 47/53.

There is a very enlightening article by one Doug Christie of The Western Separatist about Stephane Dion printed in March of 2001 when Dion was the Unity Minister. About 3/4 of the way through we see Ralph Goodale speaking for Dion in Sask.

http://www.westcan.org/westcan/WSP/Mar01wsp.htm

Wow, the rednecks are alive and well on this site! Too bad your Nancy-boy Harper is going down the toilet. Maybe someone should have told him how to wear a cowboy hat.

"the rednecks"

How is anything that's been said here, qualify anybody as 'redneck?' Or, is it that some commentors are from the west, and you're a bigot?

"Too bad your Nancy-boy Harper is going down the toilet."

How did you deduct that from the polls? Oh, you don't deduce, my bad.

"Cowboy hat"

Harper was born in Toronto and spent his early years there.

'the banana'

May I suggest you stick it where the sun don't shine?

Thanks maz2..Is that the only paper/media that carried anything about his Alberta 'talk'?
ET: I understand what you have said about Dion...he will hang himself...
iberia...we all know lot's has been 'said' about Harper...are you still looking for those soldiers on your street...in Canada...who's making it up?

By the way, it's interesting to see how manipulative Dion's tactics actually are. Go to Wikipedia, to the article on Dion. Then, to the site on TALK and discussion - which is where the various authors discuss and debate what should be in the article.

It seems that Dion, at one time, when he was Env't Minister, was actually pro-industry - both automotive and oil (the big emitters). He 'caved in' to the auto industry; he told the West that the oil industry was vital for the Canadian economy. And he didn't have any intention of the environmental agenda harming those industries.
That was back then -

Now? Now he's totally reversed his stance. So much for principles and integrity. Now, he's all about the religion of Kyoto, and he's going to Punish the Oil Industry and Punish the 'emitters' of sin and evil.

What's going on? My view is that he's manipulating the electorate. As is usual. He's out for votes. From the Quebecers and the Ontario Latte Crowd. This Get Tough On The West is exactly what Quebec wants to hear; they want that western money; and Ontario Latte-Drinkers want to hear that also; it appeases their guilt as they drive their SUVs throughout the town (I live in Toronto).

Fascinating to see the manipulative tactics. Go to Wikipedia, but to the Talk section...

Can anyone point to any article etc where dion has used the term-WE, The liberals will, or am I right in concluding he only says I will tell them or MY dream team, I will appoint candidates. Isn't that a perfect example that he is a dictator, and all the kyoto dogs will follow as if he is the pied piper. Talk about an arrogant control freak. That is scary, not what Harper says or does. Just wait till giggles gets her orders on who to have on her show and what to ask them.

Dear ET
I do respect and agree with what you are saying,but I think we have to give the Liberal dogs (kyotoesque)more chain, before we tell them they are at the end of their rope(chain).
The more Celine speaks the better it gets (sound bites galore,in our streets ,in Canada.

Kate - Can we get ET's 06:56 PM comment more widely published. perhaps in an expanded form?

The late Senator Stan Waters definition of a "redneck": Someone who works out in fields producing food for all the fat asses who don't.

Banana, if you are going to insult me "redneck" is not a good starting point.

As for Dion, his abyssmal English is fair game. He is much harder to understand than Jeancula. Just don't criticize in a way that makes Dion look like a victim.

I don't think Dion is working on some sort of machivellian plot to screw the west. I think he is just really, really clueless about the west. And about a lot of other things.

ET:
4)His ignorance about Kyoto, which is a money-transference scheme and not a pollution-emission control scheme.

Indeed, it is. I saw a global warming special on the Fox News Channel, and EU enviromental minister Margot Wallstrom said (I'm paraphrasing): "Kyoto is about leveling the playing field economically"

The Euroliberals are upset that the US economy is kicking the hell out of Old Europe's statist socialist economy, and want to knock down the US a peg or two.

"And it ain't ad hominem if it's the truth."

"Iberia-the criticisms of Dion aren't 'ad hominem'. Kindly check what that term means. The comments on Dion's personality are criticisms. Valid criticisms, based on his words and actions..."

Er, Irwin Daisy and ET, I'm afraid the criticisms mentioned by Iberia are ad hominem ("He's vindictive, arrogant, controlling and ignorant; he's highly manipulative"), even if they're true. You'd do well to check the definition again yourselves.

But what you have to do is distinguish between fallacious and non-fallacious ad hominem arguments (even when the claims are true). They are fallacious if you think they prove that someone's policy is wrong. Thus, for example, even if Stephen Harper is 'controlling' and 'arrogant' (which I don't think he is), it still doesn't mean that his policy on Afghanistan is wrong. In the same way, even if Dion is 'controlling' and 'arrogant' (which he may well be), it still doesn't mean his policy on the environment is wrong. These policies are rightly evaluated on the arguments, not on the character of their proponents. You'll notice that Kate is very good at focusing on the arguments, which is why she is so effective.

However, ad hominem arguments are non-fallacious if you take them to show the degree to which someone might be competent to discover and implement the right policies in general. So if Dion really is vindictive, arrogant, controlling, ignorant, and highly manipulative, it is very likely that he will be an incompetent leader (and have the wrong policies in general). But this wouldn't prove that any one of his policies is wrong.

ET: His ignorance about Kyoto, which is a money-transference scheme and not a pollution-emission control scheme.
Toontown reply: Indeed, it is. I saw a global warming special on the Fox News Channel, and EU enviromental minister Margot Wallstrom said (I'm paraphrasing): "Kyoto is about leveling the playing field economically"
The Euroliberals are upset that the US economy is kicking the hell out of Old Europe's statist socialist economy, and want to knock down the US a peg or two.

THAT is EXACTLY it.

BTW, a while back I read one of those dreary paint-by-numbers apocylyptic pieces in the International Herald Tribune (name?) and for the first time saw the give-away phrase in print: I was gobsmacked!

Here's the sentence and phrase: Global warming is history's best example of "market failure".

Iberia, do some math. Dion has 100 seats now, after defections plus martin is seldom there. If he wants a majority he has to win another 54 seats. Where will they come from. He has 1 seat in Sask, none in Alberta and a few in BC and the maritimes. Even if the conservatives lose all their seats in quebec, that only gives him another 10, if he were to win them from the bloc.
Ontario will not go 100% liberal, so the seats aren't there. Will layton lose all his 29 seats to the libs, I doubt it. Vancouver will split with May & layton fighting for the green vote, and the conservatives will come up the middle. The wheat board issue will not convert farmers to the conservatives in the west. Ontario non 416 voters will have seen Harper is not scary, and keeps his promises so will not switch to the crooks. And also remember, there is another scandal waiting to break re adscam. Dion talking about we need GroupAction will remind Que how he and chretain bribed them for votes, giving them a worse name in canada than they had. And as many of his candidates will be his appointed women, who will lose, plus others not running again it will be a test of if the seats are liberal or the candidates. So, where is he going to get the few seats in the west he needs. 54 is a lot of seats, plus keeping all he has. Dream on. It aint going to happen. Dions war room should tell him, he needs western seats and you don't win them by bashing them. I don't believe Que will ever elect 75 liberals again nor will Ont. elect 100 liberals. However, alberta will elect 29 conservatives and we have a premier who has never belonged to the liberal party aka Ralph, or a liberal wannabe aka Dinning. Plus we have Ted Morton and all his supporters, who in effect elected Stelmach, and he knows it. So Iberia, where will he get the few seats he needs to win.
We will have another minority government, only a larger Harper one.

msiebert - I beg to differ. The criticisms I directed against Dion are not 'ad hominem'. They are valid criticisms of Dion, backed up by supportive data which enables me to come to those unfortunate conclusions about his character.

The term 'ad hominem' has only one meaning - and it refers to a fallacious tactic of argumentation.

Argumentum ad hominem - means that you attack the 'defender of the issue' rather than the issue. It's a misplaced focus.

If I understand you correctly, you seem to think that a non-fallacious 'ad hominem' argument means a criticism of someone's character (competence)as to their ability to implement a policy. I disagree. That's not 'ad hominem'. That's a simple criticism of their character and their ability to implement policies.

I think that you are assuming that if you critique a person - that's defined as 'ad hominem'. I disagree.

'Ad Hominem' is a specific term, with only one meaning - a fallacious tactic of argumentation which focuses on the character of the individual (irrelevant) and ignores the issue.

ET - I wasn't criticizing the arguments you gave. I thought you did a fine job of giving what in most cases were non-fallacious ad hominem arguments. If you don't want to call them 'ad hominem', I won't insist on it, and I have to admit that after a cursory glance at google, I found very few examples of ad hominem used in a non-fallacious sense. However, I did find this one, for example:

"Ad hominem fallacies are very common in political fights, where candidates attack each other's character, rather than their platform or accomplishments. Sometimes, these type of arguments make sense -- If a candidate has a long record of reneging on promises, it is reasonable to argue that future promises may not be kept. However, it is not valid to argue that a candidate's broken promises in the past indicate that his or her position on welfare reform is untenable."
http://cygnus-group.com/CIDM/reason.html

But even so, I won't insist on the sematics. As long as we agree that claims about character do not prove a particular policy wrong, but simply suggest bad leadership in general, then I'm happy. Of course, some criticisms are worse than others. Churchill was pretty arrogant, but this didn't stop him from being a good leader for the time.

CTV just reported that Dion will probably leave Goodale out of his "shadow cabinet",citing the fact Ralphie never supported him at the convention.So much for the "unified" party eh.

If they need a new puppet to speak for Dion how about angry Ken Dryden,he of the year-long i want my Canada back hissy-fit.

I suggest that Dion sits on Chretiens knee when giving any further speeches. I have a feeling that Dion could count the "golf" balls in Chretiens "pockets" while doing so.

Dion is providing more entertainment than I could have ever hoped for. Since the CTV or pravda won't I wish some enterprising blogger would get out on the street and find some liberal voters to enlighten us as to what it is that makes the Librano party so great.

Hello ET
Hey now hes Hominen let not get gender into this too .Celine has given us enuff ammo,thus far .I just want us to reload our clips .So we are ready for a nice steady salvo when it counts(election)and not wear our barrels.
Me thinks the Liebarals are (rite now)covering ground with land mines to blow up at a later date (sound bites ,etc).
So I think it is better to hold our fire,your points are valid(just don't allow them to rearm.
Latert Peter

ad ho·mi·nem
Latin.
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

(from dictionary.com)

Re: Lib Voters. I live in Toronto but grew up in Winnipeg, so I have some insight into the 416 Liberal voter. Simply put, ALL people here feel superior to everybody else in the ROC. The Libs cash in on this. It is subtle and pervasive. If you say 'Nuclear Theorist' they say 'ooh' but when you add 'from the U of Sask' they grimace. Like--'I guess they let hayseeds get doctorates there'. It personally took me YEARS to get past the 'from Winnipeg' stigma. Anyway, the whole city (I think the same goes for Mtl and Van) has a country club superiority complex that the Libs and local media are able to exploit. In Toronto, the libs could do 10 adscams and still win, simply because voting for another party (esp one rooted in the west) is seen as uncouth (and so 'common', darling). And it's not just the snobby sectors of society. ALL Torontonians see the ROC in the same light as other people imagine squalid Mexican bordertowns. If it were a racial rather than cultural prejudice, TO and the other metros would be up there with pre-apartheid SA in terms of blind bias.
Anyway, I hope this helps. Give up on Toronto. Mulroney won seats because of Trudeau fatigue and the fact that he was more urbane than Turner. Harper will never, ever win a 416 seat, even if he solves global hunger and cures Cancer.

Martin was Mr Dithers, and he couldn't shake it, Taliban Jack seems to be sticking so should we call the opposition leader-celinedion McCarthy.
But, who will pull his strings, sounds like goodale might be out, so will be Bergan.
For those born after 1980, and wonder who the above are, google the names.

maryT:

I doubt Dion will get a majority, but there are a few ridings out there where the difference between winning and losing last year was only several hundred votes. If the Libs took 11 seats from the Cons, they would have won.

All the western provinces and the territories together add up to 95 seats. Ontario alone has 106. The next election will be interesting.

I just have a hard time imagining how anyone could be so stupid to vote Liberal or NDP for that matter. Do we really need another 4 or 5 yrs of another French fascist commie PM we cant understand?

"he will be the spark that gets the western separation band wagon going"

We'd never get that lucky.

Im waiting for the Auditor General report on the Department of Indian Affairs. Theirs is the longest entrenched bureaucracy next to the Vatican.

Maybe Steff can declare all natives as part of the environment.

"We'd never get that lucky"

Well Jose - you just keep on thinking that while you watch the "milk" get turned off at the tap. Then come back and tell us how well Canada is getting along without Alberta.

I have never been a western separatist, but I am really, really getting sick of those redneck, neo-con slurs that you and many others like to hurl in our direction all the while gladly sucking the milk from the teat.

Well - Jose, sweetie - perhaps you should try thinking about what this country would be like if the "milk" dries up. Me thinks would wouldn't think yourself so lucky.

Jose; you would be well advised to look again at the milch cow on Kates site only now its oil.If the Libs get back in power they will put in a "Canadian Oil Board" so that one oil company wont be able to be greedy selling their oil and all the oil companys will benefit just like us farmers with the CWB

Er, "Jose's" comments could be read as those of a Western separatist who sees Dion as the gift that keeps on giving, but doubts whether that would be enough.  In other words, Jose's comments are actually ambiguous.

And, as a self-declared "reluctant separatist" (or as one poster on another forum once called me, a "Stain on Canada"), I'm not so sure Jose would be wrong.  It seems that Westerners in general -- and Albertans in particular -- will tolerate virtually unlimited amounts of economic and political abuse from Central Canada for reasons which are essentially sentimental.  Many of my fellow Albertans are perfectly aware of how Central Canada sneers at us, but seem to believe that it's our job to continually "take one for the team."  Apparently we view ourselves as more magnanimous and patriotic than Central Canadians, even while we're angry at them.  In essence, that's our excuse for inaction on so many fronts.

If Dion gets elected as PM, I predict (with so-so confidence) that he'll implement policies to screw us, but I also predict (with a high degree of confidence) that, should he do so, we'll bend over once again.

It is, unfortunately, what we do, how we envision our place within Canada.  A type of self-imposed mental slavery, if you will...

Jose and Celine pretty much sum up what's wrong with this country. Milquetoast intellectuals looking down upon the unwashed hoardes with a smug superiority that can only be fostered in our finest tax funded institutions of leftist indoctrination.

Yep....a bunch of socially backwards ignoramuses working 14 hour days operating and managing millions of dollars of equipment in all weather on oil and gas wells that can run as high as 400,000 ppm H2S (just a hint Jose 500ppm will kill you in a few minutes) and all this for the privledge of paying somewheres in the neighbourhood of $45,000.00 per year in income taxes.

My last year in the patch I logged 2900 hours and 110,000 km on my truck. For the sake of comparison the average 9-5er will work 1700 hours a year.

Easy money indeed. You may want to ask yourself for whom?

Enjoy the milk for now because you may just get what you wished for.

Arrogant, ignorant, assholes.....Get a f***in real job.

Syncro

"attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument."

How about assasinating both? Go back and check the comments.

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For all the Toronto bashers, there are some of us who are not 'latte' drinkers. I realise we have way too many centre/left, moonbat/left and just plain marxist/filth/left here. But what can you do? These creeps come here from all over the country for the jobs, handouts, parades and protests. It's like a permanent cockroach convention. I was born, raised and have lived here all my life. The town hasn't always been this way. Remember Protestant Toronto? It was pushed out to the 905, or further. The collapse of Montreal due to the separatists and then the resulting economic boom drew these types from all over the country. It also drew the Liberal/left voting immigrants.

Ok, I've convinced myself. Toronto blows.

But remember, there are a few of us here fighting the good fight and attempting to appeal to rational thinking voters.

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Dion uses Kyoto as a stick. No explanation required. If you're not for Kyoto, you're against the planet.

Harper MUST call him on this. It must be explained. Average voters don't have a clue, therefore they are falling for Dion and Layton's lies.

Iberia-libs got 102 seats, plus 11 = 113 seats. And you say they would have won, go take a math course. 129-11= 118. There is no hope in hell Dion will get 11 more seats in the west. Now we read today in the Lethbridge herald that easterners prefer a 1000.00 tax cut IF it is tied to purchases making your home more green. So, if you don't go out and buy new appliances, furnaces etc you get no tax break. Harper would give you a 1000.00 tax break with no strings attached. How many cdns, can afford to buy a new car, new appliances, new insulation, new windows etc. at once. Seems dion is trying to force cdns to make purchases to keep the Ont manufacturing industries busy creating emmissions. And where will cdns get this money, as dion says working and making money is not good for the economy. Poll in the g&m today, Do you think Canada would be better off without Quebec. Guess how I voted.

"Jose and Celine pretty much sum up what's wrong with this country. Milquetoast intellectuals looking down upon the unwashed hoardes with a smug superiority that can only be fostered in our finest tax funded institutions of leftist indoctrination"
Syncrodox

Agreed, but...
I think Jose has self identified himself as a socialist who lives in Europe, in earlier discussions.
He is not Canadian.
Of course he wants us Canadians to follow the Euroweenies misguided trip down the rabbit hole of history, misery loves company.
I appologize if I've misrepresented your identity Jose.

maryT:

Actually on election night it was 124 to 103. A difference of 11 seats would be 114 to 113 for the Libs. My math is fine, thanks.

"Actually on election night it was 124 to 103. A difference of 11 seats would be 114 to 113 for the Libs. My math is fine, thanks."

So you take for granted some of the close ridings the Liberal's won by a few hundred votes will remain Liberal but close votes with the Conservatives winning could swing.

Explain your logic.

And don't forget to add in the ethnic votes that are bleeding from the Liberal's.The Jewish community alone looks to make a few close ridings swing to the Conservative's.

Under DiDi's so called leadership we can rest more assured each day that our Team will be winning an outright majority in the soon to be held election.

paulsstuff:

I never claimed it would would happen, I'm just pointing out that it's just one possiblity.

Good arguments on both sides of the question.

ET - I think we should be careful in our criticism of Mr Dion. The last thing we need is to give him reason (valid of otherwise, doesn't matter) than us rednecks are just being anti-Quebec.

I think he will use this, not because it's true, but because he will have little else. His environmental chats have been disastrous so far.

He may try to play the anti-US/Bush card to portray PMSH as mean-spirited pro-american imperialist. That one is getting a bid old too, especially given Mr Harper's performance with world leaders in general (quite positive IMHO).

Let's keep our powder dry, though not give this guy a free ride, but bear in mind the MSM will jump on any hint of "poor Stephan, a victim of the Quebec-haters." (insert Conservatives, especially PMSH).

Our message to, Ontario in particular, should be that Dion is dividing Canadians in order to get their vote. Don't let him get away with it!

By swearing in time it was 125-102, and now the libs have 100, with martin mia most of the time. I wonder how many of those conservative seats in Ab will go lib, when they won most of them by HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh margins. Even annie couldn't win once all the dead people were removed from her voters list, and people had to vote in their home ridings, not where they had their office. We need the new election canada boss to really go over those voter lists. One place to start would be for Revenue Canada to inform election canada of all taxpayers filing final return. The sin numbers and health care numbers should also be removed from the system. Of course this would hurt Volpe in the next election. If election night had resulted in a tie, who would be trying to get floor crossers. Still waiting for the 11 seats in the west the conservatives will lose. Libs might even lose goodale in Sask. He is really a lonely little petunia in the onion patch. Watch to see how full the liberal seats are when the House resumes. If they are mostly empty you know dion is afraid of an election or he would have his caucus there to defeat some bill. Will Garth Turner be re-elected as anything, but I bet Khan will be. There are some areas of the country vote because they think their mp will get them fed handouts, mainly in the maritimes. Knowing it will probably be another Harper minority

Mary T;
I posted almost the same post as you did re: the intention of the Liberanos to funnel the $$$ collected from Canadians for Carbon Credits to Mo tse Strong and his outfit in China. This was intended to be the new Liberano 'carbon credits scam' to get money for nothing for the Liberano bank fund, IMO. I had not read your post here when I posted above and I had not read this speculation anywhere else. I sort of joined the dots....had you read anything about this idea somewhere else?
I would have given you credit for the thought had I read your post here first. I just thought I would let you know that I was not claiming your idea as my own.
BTW, I think your idea is bang on.

Jema54-I have been asking that question re credits for several years, at political forums, letters to the ed ect. The fact that Strong was involved was enough for me. And, I have also jokingly said that I wanted to be the broker for buying and selling these useless credits. I also had comments posted in the g&m re this, and boy, did I get blasted. There are brokers for everything, lumber, grain, cattle, you name it, so it just made sense there would be a broker for the credits. Once Strong disappeared from the UN oil for food scam and went to China, and Adscam broke I like you connected the dots. I still want to know how buying hot air from china for millions of our dollars with no reduction to production in canada will lower ghg. Some radio hosts and columnists have also made anti kyoto remarks. Remember this started in 1996 with Strongs Earth Summit and ends in 2012. The libs had several years to get their plans in place, but something happened on their way to steal our money-they lost an election and global warming hit the fan. People started to wake up and question the msm and then the internet took over.
The more we refer to credits as hot air, more will wake up. We want to know what this hot air will cost, who will set the price and how much did Strong plan to keep.