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December 17, 2006

United Nations For Murderous Jew Haters

It looks like James Lileks wasn't far off the mark;

I left the mall and headed to the Element, which waited under a fog-shrouded parking lot light. Drove around on some other errand, listening to Hugh Hewitt, who seemed depressed. It was about Iran and Israel, I gathered; another day, another speech threatening to wipe Israel off the map. It’s interesting: if the Holocaust “conference” decides that the Holocaust didn’t happen, well, then the justification for Israel is specious and founded on lies, and the mullahs are justified in redressing a mistake. I have the awful feeling that terms, conditions and justifications are being set right before our eyes, and the putative leaders seem unwilling to acknowledge what most canny observers infer.

It’ll all make horrible sense. In retrospect.


Memri reports (read the whole thing);
On December 14, 2006 the Iranian news agency IRNA reported, in English, that participants in the Iranian Holocaust Denial conference, dubbed "Holocaust: A Global Vision," had announced the establishment of a "world foundation for Holocaust studies" and unanimously appointed Presidential Advisor Mohammad-Ali Ramin as its secretary-general.

According to IRNA, Ramin said that "one of the plans of the foundation is to assign a committee to find out the truth about the holocaust [sic], and noted that its main office will be in Tehran, and that it "will eventually be transferred to Berlin, once proper grounds are prepared."


Via Jules Crittenden, who writes;
An international center with a secretary general. Sounds almost like it could become a United Nations for murderous Jew-haters.

We already have a United Nations for murderous Jew-haters, Jules. It's called the United Nations.

Posted by Kate at December 17, 2006 11:59 AM
Comments

Good article at Crittenden's. Esp. liked this line,"Here's Mohammad Ali Ramin on the noble and tolerant traits of the Iranians and the perfidious and malicious wickedness of Jews,"

The irony of Ali Ramin's writing is so heavy, after one read, one will never need Geritol again. The man is positively cartoonish in his descriptions of the Jews.

Keep building those nuclear warheads, Israel, looks like you're going to need them.

Posted by: dmorris at December 17, 2006 1:36 PM

I feel as bemused as the alien on American dad. As he’s being hurt he always yells out: Why do they always kill the Jews".

After five attempts & many tries. Is this about the first Egyptian, try or the Assyrian, maybe Roman holocaust.

For a people who have ennobled our civilization by its laws, scholars, prophets. To have this much rabid hate leveled at them, is akin to the 80s devil in the daycares madness. Similar only this madness goes on & On in every generation. Its confounding to me. Illogical , with no reason.

There the best proof of a God for surviving, or the reason to think there is a devil, for the unreasoning hate or whole epochs.

If I where Jewish I would trust no group. They have been betrayed by all. For know real reason except there culture. Nuts is all I can say. Especially all the good, this people have done for the world. Of course they have there own bad apples as all folks do. I just don't get the rancor or urge to annihilate or eliminate these people? Heck Israel has to survive , we cannot allow this to yet again happen.
Its our watch!!!

The UN are the worst for this infection of evil. Both Canada & the US did nothing last time. Till the fascists came after them. As for France it has its anti-Jewish scandal every century it seems.

Now its so open it makes me ill. Means the world has forgotten or thinks it can. Leastways this generation.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at December 17, 2006 2:46 PM

Geez, talk about twisted.

(Another Mo) Ali Ramin has a mind only a leftist could understand. Wonder when French citizen Dion is going to suggest negotiating world peace with him?

Posted by: irwin daisy at December 17, 2006 2:52 PM

"If I where Jewish I would trust no group. They have been betrayed by all. For know real reason except there culture."

Heres something that might prove to be fodder for thought, provided you havent already made up your mind. Its on the beeb.

"A handful of Orthodox Jews have attended Iran's controversial conference questioning the Nazi genocide of the Jews - not because they deny the Holocaust but because they object to using it as justification for the existence of Israel. "

"Some of them belong to Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City), a Hasidic sect of a few thousand people which views Zionism - the movement to establish a Jewish national home or state in what was Palestine - as a "poison" threatening "true Jews"."

"A representative, UK-based Rabbi Aharon Cohen, told the conference he prayed "that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely the state known as Israel, be totally and peacefully dissolved"."

"In its place, Rabbi Cohen said, should be "a regime fully in accordance with the aspirations of the Palestinians when Arab and Jew will be able to live peacefully together as they did for centuries".

Neturei Karta believes the very idea of an Israeli state goes against the Jewish religion.

The book of Jewish law or Talmud, they say, teaches that believers may not use human force to create a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah."

"The main thing, he argued, was not Jewish suffering in the past but the use of the Holocaust as a "tool of commercial, military and media power"."

"In what many other Jews would consider the height of naivety, he commended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for wanting "a secured future for innocent Jewish people in Europe and elsewhere"."

Wierd, eh? In all fairness:

"And I think, frankly, even among the Hasidic world, by and large Neturei Karta are regarded as freaks," the Orthodox rabbi told the BBC News website."

Posted by: old hack at December 17, 2006 3:09 PM

I am just scared at what is happening in the world. It almost looks as if WW11 is starting up all over again. It makes me wonder if there is going to be a world left for my grandchildren to live in. According to the Bible there will be, so be it. Peace on Earth to everyone and a very Merry Christmas to all.

Posted by: Ron Dickinson at December 17, 2006 3:27 PM

"It almost looks as if WW11 is starting up all over again"

You're a little behind the times Ron. WW111 has been going on for quite some time now.

Posted by: multirec at December 17, 2006 3:30 PM

FIX THE UN OURSELVES: Set up a web site called the Democratic Societies (DS). Invited members: all countries cited by freedomhouse.org as democracies. Rent tiny office (or mail box) across from UN. Organize webcam meeting, invite all UN reps of Democratic nations to attend (via webcam). Invite democratic NGO’s to monitor. For those countries not sending official rep, post invitation on web site for ANY citizen of that country to act as interim rep. Hold a virtual meeting, elect a chair, and begin drafting a constitution. Follow “Robert’s Rules of Order”. First meeting: Bill of Rights for DS. Issue press releases, and hold DS votes on EVERY UN resolution, to provide DS counterpoint opinion. Initial funding: $1 from every DS web site visitor. Ask big blogs to help.

Posted by: DemocracyRules at December 17, 2006 3:46 PM

Why should we have anything more to do with the whole rotten UN its time to evict this nest of vipers from our shore

Posted by: spurwing plover at December 17, 2006 4:35 PM

Re: The Guardian Cartoon:

It would appear that somewhere in hell Joseph Goebbels is still producing cartoons and emailing them to Martin Rowson.

Unsettling that a western newspaper would allow the publication of something so appalling.

Posted by: Bart F. at December 17, 2006 4:40 PM

Why would the conference want to set up a "world foundation for holocaust studies" if they don't even believe there was a holocaust?

I used to wonder why Islamic countries got along so well with the Soviets. The majority of islamic governments had soviet military equipment. I suppose we are seeing a similarity again in the lies it titles they use. A government which calls itself a "Democratic Republic" was invariably a communist dictatorship. Sounds like a free country?

Posted by: GreyOne at December 17, 2006 5:06 PM

"Holocaust studies will be transferred to Berlin"

In Hitler's old bunkers no doubt.

Gee, I wonder what Angela Merkel will have to say about this new development?

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at December 17, 2006 6:04 PM

multirec, sorry WWIII was won by Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul in 1989 when the wall fell.

WWIV has ben going on since the PLO and their fellow thugs (nearly all of Islam) had an itch to start another reconquista on the infidel world.

Posted by: Doug at December 17, 2006 6:23 PM

"You're a little behind the times Ron. WW111 has been going on for quite some time now."

What the...how did I miss WW3 through WW110? That's a lotta wars...

Anyway you gotta love Ahmadjinads style. "world foundation for Holocaust studies" just sounds SO much nicer than "world foundation for re-writing history". The USSR tried the same thing many a time. Check out The Commissar Vanishes for a preview of what we can expect from Iran.

Posted by: Alex at December 18, 2006 12:26 AM

My line in the sand is Israel's right to continue to exist. I don't care what else goes on in the Middle East. I am not Jewish but I will fight to the death anyone who denies them their state. Residents of those lands that composed the UN mandate to Israel were promised full citizenship within that Independent State of Israel. Many accepted that promise and prospered within Israel and even voted in representatives in Israel's parliament. To this day after almost 60 years those non jews live and prosper without violence in the peaceful state that is now Israel. Israeli's were immediately attacked in 1948 by surrounding states and Israel has been defending itself ever since. Those residents who left the Israeli offer were among the main violent antagonists and became refugees. Their coreligionists and compatriots never ever supported them to relieve them as refugees until international historical revisionists began to feel sorry for them.

Posted by: Mel N at December 18, 2006 1:31 AM

Mel N

And then we must ask why Palestinians and Arabs get to pay the price for German crimes. One would think that the logical thing to do after something like the holocaust is to punish the country that instigated it, instead of sending jews into the lair of a people whose animosity towards judaism is, according to many folk on this site, well documented. The Germans really got away with it didnt they?

Nope I m not anti- Israel. Just asking the most logical question around - shouldnt the perpetrators be punished? It certainly makes more sense than throwing Jews into an area that has legendary levels of antipathy towards Judaism.

Posted by: old hack at December 18, 2006 2:09 AM

"old hack":

Even accepting your addlepated reasoning, you are stuck firmly - and pointlessly - in the past tense. Israel has existed since 1948: close to 60 years.

It's well past the time for debating whether it should have been "created" or not.

It makes as much sense as arguing that the "White Man" should never have set foot in the Americas.

Posted by: JJM at December 18, 2006 2:30 AM

... sending jews into the lair of a people ... throwing Jews into an area ...

What the heck are you talking about? You make it sound as if Jews were newcomers to the area, that they hadn’t lived there for 3,000+ years.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at December 18, 2006 8:21 AM

Corrupted ideals at the UN?? You expected something differnt?? Cummon people, this is an organization which has the number one human rights violator on its security council as well as the world's number 1 and 2 arms dealers....is this a peace making body or a war making body??

Perhaps the secretary General will replace Cuba with Iran in the human rights committee so antisemitism can become an adopted ideal of this bizzaro world institute.

Gimme a break we should have stuck a fork in this baked road-kill back in the 80s when it proved useless to control Bosnia and most of its members were profiteering on wars and insurrections all over the globe.

The UN is obscene bureaucratic excess...it is bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy and if these parasites EVER get the authority to tax us....look out world! Mankind's potential will be smothered by a thick skinking blanket of corrupt, redundant bureaucracy.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 18, 2006 10:41 AM

Corrupted ideals at the UN?? You expected something differnt?? Cummon people, this is an organization which has the number one human rights violator on its security council as well as the world's number 1 and 2 arms dealers....is this a peace making body or a war making body??

Perhaps the secretary General will replace Cuba with Iran in the human rights committee so antisemitism can become an adopted ideal of this bizzaro world institute.

Gimme a break we should have stuck a fork in this baked road-kill back in the 80s when it proved useless to control Bosnia and most of its members were profiteering on wars and insurrections all over the globe.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at December 18, 2006 10:43 AM

The Role of Holocaust Denial in the Ideology and Strategy of The Iranian Regime
MEMRI ^ | 12/14/06 | Yigal Carmon

Today, December 14, 2006, a symposium titled "Holocaust Denial: Paving the Way to Genocide" was held at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. MEMRI President and Founder Yigal Carmon spoke at the symposium.

The following are his remarks:

The persistent Holocaust denial of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad raises a vital question that needs to be addressed: What function does this denial serve in the ideology of the Iranian regime and in its strategy? The answer to this question bears cardinal importance to the future of the State of Israel.

When we, at The Middle East Media Research Institute, collect and analyze the statements made by Ahmadinejad and others in the Iranian regime, we can distinguish two major goals, both of which lead to the same conclusion: the Iranian regime's Holocaust denial is not a manifestation of irrational hatred, but a premeditated and cold-blooded instrument to achieve its goals.

Denial of Israel's Legitimacy

The first of these goals is the attempt to deny any legitimacy to the creation and continued existence of the State of Israel as a safe haven for the Jews after the Holocaust....-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1755212/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 18, 2006 12:35 PM

I think Old Hack has the second part of the conference's agenda firmly in view. If there was no Holocaust then the formation of Isreal was specious (to paraphrase statments made at the conference). The second part is: if this conference decides that there was a Holocaust, their next complaint is that Isreal should be part of Germany and not it's current location.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Posted by: Chris at December 18, 2006 12:40 PM

One can only hope that the headquarters of this organization is in fact transferred to Berlin. Everyone associated with it would be instantly arrested and prosecuted for Holocaust denial, as David Irving was in Austria.

Posted by: John at December 18, 2006 10:16 PM

You can't criticize Isreal. You can say anything about anyone but the Jews.

Posted by: ok4ua at December 20, 2006 6:07 PM
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