The msm have become the handmaidens of bloggers!! Good work Kate and Ezra. The 'pulse of the nation' (I love that !) is taken here at sda. The msm is irrelivant except for laughing(at) to those of us who have found the real Canadian news outlets. Thank-you Kate, Ezra, Jack, Steven T. Angry (Steve J.) Darcy....you good people have saved my sanity.

I had a post up @ my blog on the subject on the 5th just about the time the story was being picked up by blogs everywhere.

My only mistake was that I must have misread the party memo as my post was offering free advice to Dion and the liberals to nip this in the bud before it grew into what it eventually did become.

Oh well, at least I got the other memo from party HQ and now I know the words to the national anthem.

Al

Every time a Liberal complains about unfair press coverage Traumerei plays on the world's smallest violin.

Kinsella and the Libs know all about viral campaigns, just look at the one they did with Day and his religeous beliefs. As far as Dion and the clarity act that is open to interpretation as to who actually wrote it. As for being a great Canadian, everyone said that about the Cretin and he gave Canada its most corrupt government ever.
Having said that, even if Dion gives it up he will still take his orders from Paris just like the Cretin with Iraq, and the first thing Martin did was go to Paris to kiss Chiracs arse and get his instructions.

I just have to laugh when Liberals complain about "viral campaigns", or media bias, or how unfair it is to talk badly about them.

It is kind of funny when the shoe is on the other foot.

Warren, sweetie - if you are here reading this post at all, (which I suspect you are), think about what you are saying before you make a fool out of yourself.

Think about Stockwell Day and dinosaurs and wet suits - think about Stephen Harper and supposed NRA funding - think about all the "scary" innuendos that the Liberals and the media have "leaked" that have become the urban legends of politics.

It just hurts more when the pins are sticking in the Liberal voodoo dolls.

When I erad Warren's little "petulant" rant one saying came to mind.

There is no one more righteous than a reformed whore.

"Wornout Kinsella" . . . well past his best before date.

Kettle calling pot black in his case.

Kinsella is clever/smart but not smart enough to cover the fact he is also a Smart Ass.
As Harper proves to be the best hope for Canada's future the Liberal hacks will become more petulant.
Their shovels and hatchets are at the ready. With nothing else to offer they'll dig their own graves.

As far as I know Stephen Harper and Preston Manning drafted the Clarity Act after the Cretin fell on his ass on the referendum. The Lieberals took it over as another great idea they never thought of. Kinsella, as the MSM do, keeps repeating that Dion was the author of the Act.

Does anyone have the real information on what version is the real one on this or can point me to a source to nail this down?

OT Here: I watched the PM yesterday Blast the Bloq for playing political games in the form of threats to topple the Gov't over the Aphganistan War. Now we all know that the bloq & NDP together could not do this together but with the Liberals yes they could. I was very proud of the PM in his strong vocal response of using our Men & Women as political pawns.
He said it right, These men & women are putting their lives on the lines because we sent them there to give a country a chance to be free of tyranny.
Now the thing is Where in the MSM do you see this as a headline? So far I have only seen "PM not calling an election" & a byline on him blasting the Bloq.

Alas,i think Warren has decided to to the Lieberal party line about being united.As another poster on here said,Warren,if your reading this(and i'm sure you are, try putting the story about the anti-semite crap at the Liberal convention on your blog).

I've admired you in the past for calling a spade a spade when need arises but you seem lacking in not addressing this topic in detail on your blog.

So far this week the MSM has gushed on about Dion's stellar record on the enviroment and his penning of the clarity act.

Next week we can stay tuned for Dion's invention of insulin and his singular ability to split the atom.

By Christmas we should expect the story of his birth under a star.

Frankly I'm amazed anyone still follows the demented mumbling of this elderly political chameleon, but Kinsella never fails to make the irrelevant into some dark Conservative conspiracy.

Dion is a French Citizen..that is fact...Harper or the vast conservative internet conspiracy did not make him do this...they just reported what Dion should have been honest enough to talk openly about...but he never thought he'd ever have to justify this to a western Canadian voter block so the French citizen thing remained a buried card he pulled when he needed it to gain voter empathy in Quebec. Typical Liberal/political slight of hand...no less no more...and he got caught ...all the net did was spread the news faster than counter spin thingines like Kinsella could contain it. Perhaps this is what confounds Warren...at any rate I expect to see WK front and center crusading for the inevitable Liberal policy push to control/shut down internet freedom.

If there is any "viral" infections on the web it is Kinsella's mindless/endless exhibitionism, rambling missives and elitist musings.

Just as some people would object to a Canadian PM having dual US citizenship, I am bluntly opposed to any future PM also being a citizen of France. I object to the way previous Liberal Leaders based their foreign policies on the interests of France and Iraq (Hello JC) and Stephane Dion should disassociate himself from a country that blows up Green Peace boats. It did not take Mr. Levant to stoke my disgust for the foreign policies of France.

If Mr. Dion does not want the public to ask about citizenship, should we next debate his thoughts on the appointment of non-politicians to Federal Cabinet:

From Wiki:

On January 2, 1996, Shirley Maheu, MP for Saint-Laurent–Cartierville, was appointed to the Canadian Senate. In anticipation of a by-election triggered by Maheu's departure, Jean Chretien appointed two new "star candidates" from Quebec -- Stephane Dion and Pierre Pettigrew -- to cabinet positions in his government. On January 25, 1996, Dion was named Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Pettigrew was named Minister for International Cooperation, and both were sworn into the Queen's Privy Council for Canada.

Mr. Dion did run in the next by-election in a safe Liberal riding. It does not eliminate the fact that his Go*father JC appointed him to Cabinet, in a manner which Liberals would now define as un-demo-cra-teek. Did WK object to the appointments at that time?

I recall watching Kinsella giving evidence to a parliamentary committee as well as at the Gomery commission and was impressed with his mental capacity.
Very adept in his ability to parse words meant to obfuscate.
Which was reminiscent of Clinton parsing what "is" is.
His memory seems lacking however in how MSM helped him destroy Stockwell Day.
Different ox being gored.
That was then (Day), this is now (Dion).
Sadly, despite his keen mind Kinsella is not able to shed his support for the most corrupt political party in Canadian history or its dual citizen wannabe PM.

Pity.

Kinsella is fun to read and has been especially so when on the outs with the Liberal establishment of Martins boys.

Now it would appear that Chretiens boys have retaken at least some control and Kinsella and others are coming back home. Mission accomplished, it seems.

Kinsella does not have the greater good in mind, other than how it affects the Liberal party and his mentor/idol Chretien. Looking through Kinsella's tinted glasses while keeping that in mind and you too can enjoy Kinsella.

Volpe also had dual citizenship. Maybe that's why it was never really brought up by other Liberals. Volpes team were the dirty tricks people after all.
enough

Fascinating article by Kinsella. He seems to be having some difficulty dealing with the power of the internet.

Prior to the internet, when the media was controlled by the state directly or indirectly, (through ownership or regulation) liberal journalists had a virtual monopoly on the dissemination of information.

Now that the playing field is leveling, conservative journalists are able to exercise the kind of influence that used to be the exclusive preserve of liberals. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, Kinsella is crying foul. Too bad, Warren.

Warren who???????

Bourque surely must inflate his readership numbers. Nealenews, then Nationalnewswatch replaced Bourque for me. Bourque probably counts each screen refresh or some such trickery.

Interesting that Kinsella would use an allegation from eFrank when he is such bitter enemies with them. Hi warren, bet you are here also.
enough

My problem with Kinsella's article is that it essentially argues that we're not allowed to question a wannabee prime minister's holding of two citizenships. Instead, we're supposed to get down on our knees and sing praises to the great Stephane Dion.

Kinsella spends all his time attacking the critics and telling everyone they MUST accept Dion's Frenchman status. Anything less, and you're a member of a vast right-wing conspiracy.

The issue is this: Can a man who wants to be prime minister also be a citizen of France? I think most Canadians would say no. The manner in which Dion, Kinsella, and other Liberals have reacted to this has only served to make a one-day story into a one month story, and growing.

Right after Dion became leader, he could have issued a quiet press release stating that he would renounced his Frenchman status. Alternatively, he could have held a press conference and said he loves Canada so much, and he wants so dearly to run it, that he will be more than happy to stop being a Frenchman.

Instead, they circled the wagons, and we just get to have a whole lot more fun with this issue for a lot longer time. Thanks guys, you make great needlessly blown-up controversies.

enough & Dennis:

Precisely, the internet is leveling the playing field and it is not beholden to moneyed interests which control the press; that used to hold sway.

In short, the internet gives true freedom of speech and thought, rather than the MSM which is best described as "managed thought".

The anachronistic MSM will still be around but it won't have the same ability to 'brainwash' the public to believe that there is only the LIEberal way of looking at the world and anything else is unCanadian.

"I AM CANADIAN" but not necessarily LIEberal.

I'll drink to that.

Read his article again in this light....he isnt decrying the tactic. He isnt saying it was wrong. It is more insidious than that. He is speaking as someone who knows the dark arts and has used them and is trying to discredit this as a tactic he could have used. Thus taking the air out of it.

He likes Dion, is on board with Dion and will advise him. Dion is Chretien guy, less so than Rae.

Warren is just playing his games to the best of his ability.

But I still think Warren could have written an article denouncing the Liberals who circulated that terrible pamphlet on Rae and made those comments to his wife. I am hoping there is some behind the scenes manouvering but there certainly was no problem denouncing Teglidi (sp?) or any of the Liberal bloggers that got caught....

Back to the task at hand, the Dark Prince is just doing what he does. He is trying to defend his charge....I think there is still disorgnaization on the liberal side, they arent ready for an election and the CPC war room will eat the Lib war room alive right now....even the NDP war room will as well.

The libs made an "interesting" choice.

Warren has never focused on one big fact and that is the Federal Liberal party has made corruption into an art form. A scribbler like kinsella needs to be almost "born again" if he is to make the leap from rhetoric to fact.
Alas, that leap would be just to far to jump.
For those who care about little things like "truth" and "honesty" two choices remain.
Challenge his every dishonest scribble by writing to his publisher or turn him off.
For myself turning him off is easier.

No surprise seeing Kinsella move effortlessly from Chretien apologist to Dion apologist. For more on all this, listen to Charles Adler here ... Bring up Thursday, Dec 14th, 1 pm ....
7 min mark: Sheila Copps re 33 % women candidates
11 min mark: Clip of Dion press conference
15 min mark: Adler slams Dion's speaking skills
19 min mark: Callers weigh in
34 min mark: Kinsella interview

Viral campaign.
"It smeared a man who, truly, did not deserve it.
a man whose allegiance to Canada "we do trust"

Says an Adscam Chretien fart sniffer.

It's a virus when someone points out what Dion was and is. Dion was a seperatist, (for now a liberal), and a citizen of France.
Warren shows a sinister dark mind to characterize this as he did.

It must be dark times to be a lib.

Should have thought of that before flipping the keys to the big red machine to a citizen of France who worked to break up our country, and is a player in the largest theft by a political party in Canada's history!

If that's viral, libs are cancer.

I love you,
You love me,
We're a happy family,
with a great big hug,
and a kiss from me to you,
Won't you say you love me TOO!

I love you,
You love me,
We're best friends like friends should be,
With a great big hug,
And a kiss from me to you,
Won't you say you love me too

Bourque once hosted an image from my server on his front page. He has also linked directly to SDA as the main headline. I can say with some authority that I doubt he has more readers than SDA does.

Of course, he could prove the suspicious wrong by setting up a simple sitemeter on his front page and allowing the readers to see for themselves.

I agree with stephen's comment; this is a diversionary tactic, to divert attention from the real problems in the Liberal Party and try to create and paste yet, again, a 'hidden agenda' image onto the Conservatives.

The fact is, there is no 'hidden agenda' of the CPC; that's a virus created by the Liberals to discredit the CPC and frighten the electorate.

And it's being used, now, as a diversionary tactic to deflect open and evaluative criticism of Dion and the Liberals.

As posters on this thread have commented - what about the Liberal tactic in their convention, of anti-semitism against Rae? What about their support for Hezbollah? That's not even hidden within the Liberal ranks; it's open. They are trying to hide it.

What about Dion's citizenship? Why can't Canadians discuss and evaluate the nature of dual citizenship within a Prime Ministerial role? Is the topic off-limits according to the Liberals? Why?

The tactic used by Kinsella, to deflect attention from these issues of concern about the Liberals, is to raise the false virus - which they created in the first place - of a 'hidden agenda' of the CPC. Of course, declaring that your opponent has a hidden agenda is probably the easiest and most reprehensible tactic there is. That's because - you cannot, ever, provide any proof of this agenda. It's hidden. You just set up a mob emotional fear - against your opponent. That's disgraceful.

So- back to the real issues. What about Dion's dual citizenship? Should we permit our elected representatives to retain such? Remember, the Canadian citizenship act, unlike that of the US, does not require renouncing allegiance to a foreign state. In Canada, you can retain your allegiance to, let's say, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan..and also, be a Canadian citizen.

Liberals call that 'progressive'. It's a 'Liberal value' (oh - they have self-defined themselves as progressive; I think that adjective is invalid and besides, a qualifier ought to be bestowed not self-given).

I think it's a muddled perspective, which refuses to evaluate and make choices and instead, cops out of choices and accepts all options as equal. Put the fire out, watch it burn - it's all the same to a Liberal relativist. The Liberals are not progressive; they are relativists.

And - there are other problems. What about the anti-semitism within the Liberal Party?
What about returning the millions stolen from the taxpayer? When will the Liberals do that?

What about being honest and acknowledging that Harper and Manning came up with the idea of the Clarity Act - and that Dion just carried it out, on the orders of Chretien?

What about being honest and telling us where the tsunami millions promised went?

What about being honest and telling us that Kyoto isn't about lowering CO2 emissions; you can get out of that requirement by massive transfers of money to the 'developing nations' - who are exempt from both pollution and emissions controls?
So, Kyoto won't lower global CO2; it won't lower Canadian CO2; it will simply send taxpayer dollars to other nations..that's money that we can't use to actually build more climate-friendly systems!!! So, Kyoto is actually decreasing our ability to clean up our environment!
How about being honest about that?

While reviled for his tactics, kinsella usually gets grudging respect for his skills. But it's important to remember he and his mumbling overlord chretien enjoyed electoral success during times of a divided right and a compliant media. I wonder how they would do now? Or how skillful he really is?

Divide amd conquer.... sounds familiar?

No comments allowed on the Prince of Darkness's site of course, he's a "liberal", just the party line.

Why is someone, so connected, so inside, to the "Oui Oui, we stole millions" Prime Minister , given so much truck in any political discussion.

How does someone who was paid by these corrupt sons of bitches, get any respect at all, who cares what sleazy libs think, why are they in the National Post bitching and moaning about the size of the hole they themselves dug!?
The National Post is losing it!

" Conservative bloggers -- most of whom couldn't be counted upon to recite the lyrics of O Canada without professional help "

Good post,ET. Why do so many "intellectual giants", like WK, stoop to childish remarks like the above, is it the nasty little boy inside? Psych majors, help me on this one? For me, this type of crap defeats the credibility of the debater.

Are there any Liberal spokespersons who don't try to manipulate the MSM? Most of them are masters at it. I'd compare them to Joe Goebbels, but that's a Liberal schtick.

KINSELLA....LOVES PUNK ROCK......OR WHAT I CALL IT.....PUKE ROCK.

AS FOR COMING BACK TO THE LIEBRAL FOLD AFTER HELPING TO TRASH MARTIN.
THAT ALSO SAYS ALOT ABOUT THIS MAN AND HIS PARTY.
SAD.......VERY SAD.

THAT'S MY OPINION ON HIM.

AND ANOTHER THING.....HE IS A BIG SUPPORTER OF MAGUINTY!!!!

SORRY ABOUT THE LARGE CAPS....OFFICE COMPUTER.

The Liberal party and their minions, over the years, have successfully hypnotized and dumbed down the Canadian electorate so much so that the Liberal party could run a squirrel for PM and people would vote for it. Sad but true.

The flaw in all this is that dual citizenship is perfectly legal and harmless.

My brother-in-law has dual citizenship, Canada and Ireland. He doesn't give a flying rat's ass about Irish politics nor does he desire any Irish influence on Canada. It's more for future considerations such as maybe retiring in Ireland.

Dion is a slimebag of the highest order but this dual citzenship flap is just conservative viral fueling rightie altruism.

ET:

Honesty and LIEberaldom are mutually exclusive concepts.

If one is a relativist there is no such thing as an objective truth; it is whatever you decide it to be.

LIEberals would attempt to violate the laws of physics, if they thought they could get away with it.

LIEberals don't want analytical discussion of their policies any more than they want the Conservatives in office. The game is simply about power and rewarding friends and supporters; end of story. ADSCAM has taken away the veil on this chimera chameleon.

Sighting the chimera was a sign of storms, shipwrecks, and natural disasters. But unfortunately for the LIEberals Chimera was finally defeated by Bellerophon with the help of Pegasus, the winged horse, at the command of King Iobates of Lycia. There are varying descriptions of its death – some say merely that Bellerophon ran it through with his spear, whereas others say that he fitted his spear point with lead that melted when exposed to Chimera's fiery breath and consequently killed it. Another story is that Bellerophon chopped off the three heads of the Chimera, and it fell to the ground dead.

So at this point in the epic battle for Canada we can say the the Chimera ate one of its own heads, by Paul Martin devouring Chretien, Stephen Harper playing the role of Bellaraphon has laid waste to the head of Paul Martin. What remains is for this modern day Bellaraphon is to lay low the final head of LIEberaldom's Chimera.

Unfortunately, for the LIEberals, PM Stephen Harper has got game in his Conservative horse Pegasus. Expect to hear the 'hooves of thunder' as
as a real democracy begins to take root, as it did in the Athens of old.

The opening for this battle, has already been announced; Senate reform.

Real democratic choices is what petrifies the LIEberals.

Another mark on Kinsella's character is his unwavering support for the person who was leader when the corruption unfolded.
Chretien can say he knew nothing of it, so too his Ministers like Gagliano, and even the gar they are now gilding, Dion,he certainly put in place the framework to ENABLE it. He and Martin were tossing money for power. If they were not aware of where it landed, they were willfully ignorant or grossly incompetent, probably the former.

Steve J.-9.22am Save that gem and have someone ask dion about it when the libs start to complain about Harpers appointing someone to the senate, and then cabinet. Wonder why the msm didn't bring this up against the liberals. Also, wasn't Tobin made a cabinet minister before being elected. Lib do it good, Harper does it-bad. Maybe Layton will pick that up in the coming debates, to blast both leaders. Watch this info spread.
O.T. Another goof by a ctv babe. Prince William graduated today from military training. In reporting this, the babe said, his mother the Queen was in attendance. And this goof after days of media re di's death.

No, david brown; you are quite wrong about your assessment of both the importance of dual citizenship and the causes of the concerns of Canadian citizens.

First - the dual citizenship to which you refer is anecdotal; its reality and how it is perceived and held - pertains to only one person, your brother-in-law. Another person might hold the value of their 'other citizenship' in far greater esteem than your brother-in-law holds his Irish citizenship.

Second - and the key issue - is that the issue of dual citizenship is irrelevant in your example, for he is not seeking the highest office in the land - where he must owe allegiance to one authority (the Queen) and not to another authority. Dion is seeking to be the PM; that's a completely different role and therefore, his allegiances are of importance.

Third - some proof that this concern about Dion's citizenship is a 'conservative virus' would be appreciated; otherwise, you are just a part of a virus, yourself - a knee-jerk anti-CPC virus.

To David Brown
Re dual citizenship apparently Dion applied for French citizenship [in spite of his Mothers place of birth]
It is not unreasonable to expect the holder of the highest office in our country to have only one allegiance, and to demonstrate it to be so!

Actually come to think of it Stephane looks like a squirrel with a messy do.

I think the libs are always more comfortable with the leader having bad hair. pierres mullet, cretains and martins combovers, but they didnt go for the iggy quaif look, reminded them of turner

This is my third edit and attempt to comment here. I guess the topic sets off the filter. ;0)

RE: achieving maximum media penetration

Warren, take Kates' advice and start using google. Otherwise it is you who will be calling for a nurse as this widespread internet sickness will probably not be cured by Liberal quarantine this time. Former Chapters/Indigos/Coles customers who are buying Mark Steyns' book -America Alone- online now know that and so should you. Liberal nursing homes like the National Post and the G&M and the CBC will soon be reporting many, many more outbreaks. And this latest one on dual citizenship for a PM could prove fatal to the Liberals campaign to retake the office of PM, especially when compounded by all Dions' other political sneezes.

Warren and co. are just trying to make sure the msm bass line is a constant repeat of the same old Liberal themes.

I pledge allegiance to the brand of the Liberal Party of Canada. And to the diversity for which it stands, no nations, no God, divisible, with liberal taxes and judges forced on all (and paid by Albertans).

Empressario Warren proudly blogs his rock group named:

"Sh!t From Hell"

Now he should rename it to:

"LibSh!t from Hell"

Duel citizenship is the path to transnationalism. It is a tool of multi-culti relativism that Moe Strong and his high priests who worship at the temple of the undemocratic UN and the un-elected EU temple in Brussels.

Duel citizenship is the post –modern approach to the world used by the cultural relativists so that they can attempt to establish world government. It comes complete with UN control of the internet.

It has been politically incorrect to even suggest that there is anything wrong with being a tranzie instead of someone proud of the sovereignty of the country in which they were born or which they have chosen.

The irony about this duel-citizen virus is that Harper was demonized about shaking hands with his kids. The MSM said this proved he had no emotions and was unable to love Canada. That was a virus meme transmitted by the MSM trying to immunize contagious voters weakened by Liberal corruption.

I kind of feel sorry for Dion. I'd rather have an EU passport than lead the lying, patronizing, stealing, self-serving Librano$ to defeat any day.

(Note: I don't use 'lieberal' because my friend said it means 'love' or 'sweetheart' or something in German)

I guess WK is just a mercenary, which he makes no effort to hide. I haven't read his blog for quite awhile, it's rather puerile with respect to how cool he believes himself to be and unfortunately (sorry if you're reading this WK) rather dull to boot.

(Speaking of mercenaries, where are the Soldiers. On our Streets. I was kind of looking forward to that, they have some neat stuff).

How anyone with a conscience can be serious about helping McGuinty to be re-elected is beyond me unless, of course, he no longer lives in Ontario. Then it might make sense.

As for the MSM, they should be 'forced' to cover all the other facts and issues they ignore. Now I'd pay a dollar to see that!

Gotta love the not-so-subtle sniping at the 'sphere but it really sounds more like whining from the school bully who has become irrelevant.

Great post, Kate!

Hi Kate. I lost three attempts in the filter on this thread. Any chance you could rescue the last one? Thanks. I am thinking Warren used a lot of filter words in his column on purpose. hehe

Also IMO, Canadian citizens and residents should be required to file and pay taxes on their world wide income, not just their income earned in Canada. And dual citizens should not be PM. And PMs should be Canadian born.

calling conservatives unpatriotic????how much sand do u have in your combat boots WK?...ever stood on the line defending your country???u wannabe patriots make me sick...the day any of u libranos actually stand for something other than your grants and contracts, will be the day that you can question my patriotism....F#$% YOU A#$HOLE!!!

cough , cough , ahem .......OH CANADA ! .....?????.....shit , the evil genius is on to me .

Warren Kinsella has just had his 'kicking-ass' handed to him !! By Kate, by commenters, but most importantly, by ordinary Canadians.

WK is probably on the phone right now asking if it is possible to shut down certain blogs. 'Anybody at the UN got any ideas ?'

Way to go Kate !! I think we are seeing history !!

nomdenet:

You are correct about the trans nationalism issue. Wasn't it PET's son who recently suggested that nationalism is a parochial 'small minded concept'.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061026/trudeau_nationalism_061026?s_name=&no_ads=

Justin Trudeau has weighed in on the Quebec political debate, calling nationalism a small, old idea "from the 19th century" that has no relevance today.

Nationalism "builds up barriers between peoples" and has "nothing to do with the Canada we should be building,'' the eldest son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau said Thursday on Canada AM.

Therefore Canada as a political construct, a nation, is also 'dead notion'? We should tear down the 'maple leaf' instead? The last of the iconoclasts.
Hence the title of the latest book on Trudeau "Citizen of the World".

Well now that we have torn everything down, exactly what would one like to build. So we should swear allegiance to nothingness? Thank you for this intellectual cul de sac.

The Quebecois are a nation, so Parliament and most of LIEberaldom has informed us. There are some 640 First Nations in Canada. Thus we are a political nation of many nations it would appear.

As Justin Trudeau would have it, the Canadian identity is to have no identity. From obscurity into irrelevancy. Hardly a motivating force for a political entity known as Canada.

Sorry Concrete - I chose the last one instead of releasing all three. The use of words like v i a g r a and o n l i n e are certain to grab your comment.

Hans, I think that the revulsion by Europe against “nationalism” is what has screwed up the thinking on campus and on the MSM since the Wars. The intellects on the Champs-Élysées wrongly concluded that nationalism caused the Wars.

They were wrong. Fascism causes wars. Democratic countries do not attack each other.

I might get into trouble for saying this and I can’t really defend it with facts. But I also think the Jewish community decided to join the multi-cultis because they felt that nationalism had not worked out very well for them. Jewish people being industrial and articulate found their way into the MSM, Hollywood and on campus. They became successful and rich in America and thus you have the Sulzbergers running the New York Times as tranzies … just a hunch.

But the good news is that Blogs are circumventing the MSM and the NYTs is no longer the only news fit to print, we are democratizing the media.

So maybe we cam kill off duel –citizenship, mulit-cultis and their weapon political correctness. Then maybe Canada can become a real sovereign country again.

Concrete:

Canadian residents ARE required to pay tax on world-wide income.

Is there any significant difference in Canada's democracy to the conflict of interest of elected officials having dual citizenship with a country like France or having dual citizenships with more nefarious cousins like Iran, Syria or North Korea? Should single citizenship be a requirement for proof of allegiance for those that are elected to serve in high public office? If a Canadian soldier dies under a PM with dual citizenship, what country did that soldier actually die for given his leader's multiple allegiances?

Just up on latest musings.

Maybe WK is fleeing the 'sinking ship', with the rest of the rats. His was very strong words of the media estab.

ET,

"you are just a part of a virus, yourself - a knee-jerk anti-CPC virus."

First of all I am not anti-CPC nor anti-conservative. If you were to read all my posts you would realize I am anti-paranoia, anti-nonsense whether liberal or conservative.

There is far too much paranoia on both sides of the fence which simply put is counter productive to good government. Paranoia is the real enemy and knows no political leaning. Making decisions based on fear has got this country in the mess it's in today.

There is far too much rhetoric in these posts about 'shoulds' and 'coulds' clouded by massaged facts. Dions dual citizenship is one of these shoulds, as in, the PM of this country should have only one allegiance.

FYI, I will be voting CPC in the next election but will continue to slaughter sacred cows.

Thanks for the morning smile. Warren's article made me laugh. I then found myself reminiscing about that moment when Paul Martin defended Belinda's crossing as unrelated to the upcoming non-confidence motion and then to what must have been Martin's most embarrassing moment ever, the press could not suppress their giggles.

The "kicking ass virus" is running its course and now he has the flu.

nomdenet:

http://cgibin.rcn.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

The above weblink would put the lie to the proposition that nationalism/fascism was the cause of the Wars. Communism is still the all time champion killer, and not necessarily the European variety.

Systems of thought that propose exclusive and rigid conformity are the cause of a lot of grief.

This why PM Stephen Harper is correct in tackling the Senate issue as it is currently dominated by about 2/3 Liberals; which objectively for a democracy is extremely unhealthy. I don't think you would get 2/3 Liberals in the Senate if you held a vote today. It would be just as lacking voter equity if it were 2/3 of any other party.
The Libs are just in a snit because its their ox getting gored.

As if an unelected Senate is some sort of 'sacred cow' in a democracy. PM Paul Martin would put up the Not Withstanding Clause in the Charter on a moments notice without thought or debate. But to suggest real democracy in a democracy is "Mon Dieu" unCanadian.

The attack on PM Stephen Harper, during the last election, was that he was 'unfit for office' according to LIEberaldom. The electorate disagreed. Moreover, it was to be the end of Canada as LIEberals knew it.

The Libs are now behind "citizen of France", Dion because their strangle hold on legislation in the Senate is at issue. PM Stephen Harper adroitly exposes the undemocratic nature of the Senate and the Libs cry foul, knowing full well the voter debacle of ADSCAM will tow them under on this issue. PMSH has the Libs neatly boxed in, with no where to run or hide. How can you be against more democracy when the party has been indicted with voter fraud via Adscam?

The libs get some of their own medicine with "citizen of France" Dion, and get simultaneously hit on undemocratic activities via Senate reform back dropped by ADSCAM. If the Libs think PMSH is not a shrewd tactician, they will soon be tasting their further political reverses.

What goes around, comes around.

Funny, how that happens isn't it?

WK master of spin for Chretien, has a whirl on the turntable himself. Let us know when the dizzyness stops. Merry Christmas WK!

I am eligible for Russian citizenship as my parents were born there. I do not have dual citizenship as I have not applied for it and filled out the necessary paperwork. Dion did Apply and was granted his French citizenship. I hope Harper eliminates dual citizenship, one reason he could use, is that if Arar did not have dual citizenship the Americans would have sent him back to his country of citizenship, be that Syria or Canada, and we would not be seeing his name every day in the news, or having to give him millions of out tax dollars to settle his suit.

Bruce, how long does it take to establish residency? I think it is six months and one day in a taxation year. Also the key bit is that all citizens should be taxable. Canada seems to have an overabundance of people abroad who are carrying a Canadian passport and it is in becoming a -passport of convenience- for many, only to be used when Canadas' services can benefit them.

That shot by Kinsella about Conservative bloggers being unable to recite the words of O Canada grinds me: where I work, I'm the only "out" conservative, and not only do I know the original and revised words of the first verse, but I can recite most of the second and third as well. I can also explain the heraldic significance of the Maple Leaf flag, and the differences between the 1922 and 1953 Red Ensigns. The liberal types I know, the supposed "real" Canadians, don't know and don't care about that sort of thing.

Leftists have created their own 'ummah'. Your citizenship doesn't matter, only your trans-national, hard left 'religious' affiliation does.

Kinsella took the bait.

So did the MSM. I think that's great. Both the accusers and the defenders will keep this thing top of mind through the next election. It's a sound bite with fangs.

I'm fond of the term - the French citizen surrender monkey.

It's a bit redundant. But it's a simple (and historically accurate) reminder that everybody can acknowledge if not agree with. Especially given his position on Afghanistan (and more so, ie: pro Palestinian, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. - collaborators like the Vichy regime? Heh).

He's caught in a trap. Even if he agrees with Ignatieff and unites the Liberals behind the Conservative position, he's still doomed.

David Brown:

"I will be voting CPC in the next election."

Your first publicly admitted conversion, Kate.

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Dion's Vichy Liberal regime.

"Dion's Vichy Liberal regime."

Irwin, truly classic irony; given that Bill Graham recently tossed out the Nazi slur at Conservatives, whilst all the "anti-Zionists" were slagging Bob Rae's wife for being Jewish.

Concrete:

You are a "deemed" resident of Canada, regardless of your citizenship if you stay here for more than 183 days in a year. But it gets more complicated for Canadians earning money abroad. RevCan takes into account factors such as if you own a home here while abroad, if your spouse stays here, if you maintain a Cdn drivers' licence etc. From my understanding often a ruling based on your individual circumstances from CRA is required (not a happy prospect). Most of my acquaintances who have worked abroad for extended terms have simply assumed that they were not residents and did not pay taxes, but to my knowledge, none of them were audited, so I dodn't know if they were right or not.

By the way Kate, this link has been posted over at NationalNewsWatch (the gopher still looks dead, though)

Soccermom said: "The Liberal party and their minions, over the years, have successfully hypnotized and dumbed down the Canadian electorate so much so that the Liberal party could run a squirrel for PM and people would vote for it. Sad but true"

I'm glad to see that not all commenters here suffer from the delusion that the CPC will bury the Liberals. Myself, I don't really know.

"...the Liberal party could run a squirrel for PM and people would vote for it..."

Not a bad analogy, given that squirrels are often described as being "rodents with great press agents".

Kinsella seems to be taking his last gasps as a spin doctor... can hardly deal with the fact that he no longer has a monopoly on spinning. Poor Wornout Kinsella. At least he seems happy with his new hair transplant, seeing as he got rid of the stupid baseball cap.

(Yo, Warren, baby, maybe ya should focus on "Poop from Heck" or whatever ya call it and leave the spinning to those who can do it effectively...)

And I just love watching Kate keep on yanking down Wornout's pants in public with her pointing out how fullacrap he is, like the thing with the hits/visits differences in website stats and now this. It's just like Ann Coulter's exposing the moonbat Al Franken as fullacrap in his own accusations against her... yep... Kate's numero uno! :)

For the record, before Wornout wrote his NP piece, I did the following post wrt Dion's being a Frenchy and having been a separatist... there's a cool pic of a cheese-eating surrender monkey with a beret worth stealing, too:

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/12/new-lib-leader-swore-loyalty-to-france.html

Oh, yeah... I'm ripping into Stephanie... oops! Stephane Dion... just as hard as I ripped into Mr. Dithers last election... whenever he BSes, I'll have something to say about it, so keep an eye on the Sentinel. ;)

This is way better than yelling at the TV!

isnt stephane dion now officially from three nations. Canaduh, Kweebek and Franse?

Great Post Kate.

Warren is just sticking up for his boy. But it really irked me when he said most conservative bloggers can't recite the Canadian Anthem.

This is what I can't stand about liberals, they think that only they are Canadian and the rest of the people who don't buy into "Government should take care of everything" are well, scary.

Anyway great post Kate keep up the good work.

"the Liberal party could run a squirrel for PM and people would vote for."

Instead, they've opted for a surrender monkey.

Ya, the Liberals really care about Canada, they're so patriotic and sing the National Anthem with gusto at every chance at the same time they sold all we were built on down the river.

The nerve of apologist Kinsella knows no bounds or reason.

To say the Liberals are by some miracle united after choosing Chretien's air freshener, Dion, is nothing but pure stinking bullshit.

You clowns are the only people who give a shit.

To David Hand who was asking for a bit of background on Harper and Manning being the real authors of the clarity act.

Here are two links to Hansard.

Keep a mental note of the dates and what Harper says about how the Liberals almost handed the separatists a victory.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?pub=hansard&mee=93&parl=35&ses=2&language=E

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?pub=hansard&mee=93&parl=35&ses=2&language=E

Don't worry Dumbfuck, Kinsella gives a shit, and the majority will as well come the next election.

BTW, appropriate moniker, couldn't have chosen a better one for yourself.

Concrete, I think you’re reacting to the fact that Canadian taxation is dependant on residency not citizenship. In other words a Canadian citizen who is not resident in Canada does not pay Canadian income tax on non-Canadian income. I understand the US system is different in that there is an element of taxation for non-resident US citizens. I agree with you on a philosophical basis, that the Canadian passport bestows a privilege on the holder that should be attached to some reciprocal responsibility.

Crabgrass said: “I'm glad to see that not all commenters here suffer from the delusion that the CPC will bury the Liberals. Myself, I don't really know.”

I have the same creepy feeling stemming from the fact that liberalism is an easy-sell to lazy brains because it’s the path of least resistance. When otherwise good people are faced with the effort of being accountable for something, they will often instead choose the specious tenets of the lying, power-hungry sleaze that form the foundation of the LPC. How do we overcome this factor of human nature?

I enjoy reading both Warren Kinsella's and Paul Wells blogs. They were both praising Dion as the great future leader prior to the leadership convention. Post-convention comments from these journalists are a bit heavy on the sugar, as both, especially Wells, are somewhat self-congratulatory.
While not in a conflict-of interest, I do believe that Wells and Kinsella must remove their rose coloured glasses. If they continue to do P.R. for Dion they will begin to lose their readership.

Kinsella should know... he's always saying he wrote the book!

As for American taxation of non-resident US citizens. You only BEGIN to pay 'offshore' taxes AFTER the first 70K.... but ya still gotta file every year!

Well done Kate, Kinsella is no match for informed bloggers. His comments only cement in my mind how "holier than thou" these fiberals can be. What unmitigated gall. His remarks re. The National Anthem are totally inappropriate, and he should be taken to task on it. As to dual nationality, I have the right to dual nationality but I choose not to have two passports. I travel on a Canadian passport even when I visit the country of my birth. Dion should give up the French passport immediatly, I think it is a snobish thing and once again "holier than thou", this time against the French people of Quebec...

Kinsella has one big problem- he was working for the Adscam crew. In the end, it really makes him no different than a run-of-the-mill Mob lawyer. Sure, he didn't do the dirty deeds, and he didn't have first hand knowledge of the on-going racketeering scheme, but he has chosen to remain loyal to those who were in it up to their elbows. And, given that he is a lawyer, he can't plead ignorance to the fact that it was racketeering. Just because there are no actual racketeering references in Caadian law, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

WK is a lawyer(we know what they do best).

When will the "Shit From Hell" hit the fan on this?

80 posts and counting Kate.....

Noticed the link from NationalNewsWatch, Yaoza!

I heard Kinsella yesterday on Adler and stood in awe of the crapulence.

I guess we can expect another "daisy chain" as far as communications go.....

Punk.

Syncro

Is Warren picking up the soap for Stephanie?

I suspect that Warren Kinsella speaks to a lot of swing voters. Ignore his music and save your eardrums. Ignore his sentiments and suffer politically at the next election.

Warren is a smart man. But actions arent always what they appear to be.

Yes he is supporting Dion...notice his latest...worrying about who took the picture of Dion jaywalking.....who cares

Other than Warren making it public is his way of warning them off.

1) Harmless tactics
2) Anyone who is silly enough to get caught on this standard campaign is an idiot
3) Anyone who backs off based on WK's warning isnt worth their salt as political operative.

Now, WK doing this is a sign, which he has admitted, that he CPC war room is in operation and being successful.

Warren is trying to protect his charge, as apparently contradictory as it may appear.

As always, never get off their throat once you are on it.

We are supposed to accept the following, according to WK (and his fellow Chretienites):

- Dion is really a great guy
- his dual citizenship is not an issue, just evidence of a conservative "virus"
- he was a really great environment minister, except that he did nothing, then he was only in the job for less than a year
- Cdns are excited about this new leader
- he was Lib's first choice, except that he was fourth going into convention; no contradiction here.
- he wrote the clarity act, without any help
- CPC didn't actually "win" the last election, because they only got 37% of the vote. Only Lieberals are allowed to claim victory with less than 40% of the vote, don't you know.

When WK waved the barney doll, proving he was an anti-religious bigot, he proved that dinosaurs did indeed roam the earth the same time as man.

Got news for you Warren, the electorate will decide Libs/Dion's fate, and if his dual citizenship is an issue.

Bruce, there is a huge difference in being required to pay cdn taxes on world income, and filing and paying them. Big shock comes when they discover that their US income must be converted to cdn funds, especially when the exchange rate was around 30%. Then you have the US companies issuing cdn T4's with the exchange rate factored in, only to have rev canada do it again. Takes months to get it straighted out.

glasnost asks: "When otherwise good people are faced with the effort of being accountable for something, they will often instead choose the specious tenets of the lying, power-hungry sleaze that form the foundation of the LPC. How do we overcome this factor of human nature?'

Pray.

And listen to Friday Night Blues and Beer at Dust My Broom.

A guitar player locked his keys in the car.
It took him an hour to get the bass player out.

At an old salon on a street of faux stags
There at a table dealing brown bags
Sat the dirty mangy dog that named me Sue

Bernie,

LOL....very good.

I sent Warren an e-mail asking him how he would feel if Stephen Harper was a duel citizen of Canada and the United States. I also mentioned that I was offended that Dion could not speak English nor be understood by the majority of English speaking Canadians. He came back with "so you take exception to his heavy accent"?No answer to my question soooo I just had to e-mail him again with the question of citizenship. To date have no reply back from the man of "great intelligence", speaks volumnes doesn't it?

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/

Kate: This is being covered today on National News Watch - SDA Beautiful!

Soon it will be mandatory for all cdns to show a passport to fly into or out of the USA. Wonder how many immigrants of muslim origin will get a cdn one, not a syrian, lebenese, or whatever country of convenience they are from. Use a cdn passport just once, lose you right to dual citizenship. And, why would Arar want to travel thru or over the US ever again, unless he has been lying to all of us suckers for years.

Just so everyone is clear, Dion received his citizenship when he was a minor, i.e. his parents applied for him.

Anyways, who needs facts or perspective. Why believe a man who faces endless scorn in his own province for his defense of Canada is loyal to Canada when you can point to the fact that his mother applied for citizenship for him.

It's just so small and petty.

Peter Loewen

I’m not blaming him for getting it. That’s what was done then.

This is now.

Duel citizenship symbolizes multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism does not work. Even Tony Blair and the Labour Party “get it”.

Being a PM of Canada and carrying the citizenship of France is unacceptable. We’re tired of being Hotel Canada. We do not want to be “citizens of the world”. We think being hyphenated Canadians is no longer acceptable.

A PM carrying 2 citizenships is not going to go down well with voters. But since I’m a Conservative, I hope Dion holds the same “perspective” as you do and let the chips fall where they may on election day.

Yeah, Dion is nothing like people who hold Canadian citizenship as a convenience. Sorry.

But, if you want to base a campaign on slandering the patriotism of a man who has defended Canada every minute he's been in public life, fine. We I you I wouldn't be too keen were on comparing the records of Harper and Dion in the defense of Canada over the last 10 years.

No I’m not slandering his patriotism, I’m question his judgment and ability to change with the times. Now that cultural relativism is clearly deemed to be a mistake by a growing portion of our population; even new immigrants are against it.

We’ll be basing the campaign on Dion’s inability to be nuanced (I used to think that was a natural state of mind for Liberals) enough to recognize that his duel citizenship is symbolically sending the signal that he doesn’t agree with or understand how the world has changed post 9/11. That change is most eloquently articulated by Blair, a Labour PM no less, when he talked about the need for “integration or leave”.

Canada needs to grow up. It is not a colony of Britain or France or the USA. We need to start defining ourselves much more clearly. But having a duel citizen Leader of the Loyal Opposition symbolizes that we’re still living in the past.

You silly silly bigots.
Any lynchings lately? Torture an Arab for Christ? Or is that tomorrow that you freaks of nature do that?

"You silly bigots."

The last defence of the intellectually challenged.

Nomdenet:

I don't think holding citizenship granted to your mother from France makes one any less Canadian or committed to our country. And I don't think it is terribly well related to multiculturalism.

As for Blair, the point of his speech was not that immigrants have to give up everything and become British down to fish and chips and bad teeth. It was that they have to accept British values, possess a command of English, and respect equality. With which no one in their right mind would disagree. But, anyways, I just don't think Dion's dual citizenship is any more symbolic than John Turner's; that is, it is a fact of his birth.

I should not imply that you are questioning his patriotism or loyalty. But certainly Levant and Worthington are, and they are doing so with no evidence of action, just the suspicion that he might be disloyal because, you know, he's French. Just like a bigot would imply that a Jewish prime minister might be conflicted because of her attachment to Israel. It is without substance and certainly without merit. That is, it is prejudicial. Let's not hope it's the best everyone can do.

Peter,

John Turner was pre 9/11. IMO, that would be totally unacceptable today.

My point is, the world has changed. I used to be pretty much a transnational in my thinking too. When I get new info, like an better understanding of what we’re up against.. .Islamofascism.. I’ve change with that new info.

IMO, the Dion thing is about symbolism not patriotism. Cultural Relativism must end, some cultures must die out or reform. Meanwhile we need strong nationalism not transnationalism. Plus we've got plenty to cope with in Canada in terms of founding "nations" and distinct societies. Enough.

OK, I see your point (and I sincerely thank you for making it again). My question: why/how does Dion's dual citizenship indicate that he is any less committed to Canada? And what evidence do you have beyond his citizenship? What actions has he taken to demonstrate that he is not loyal to Canada?

Because if it's just that you think he will be disloyal, or if it's that you don't like the symbol of it, then that's your problem and not really his.

Now, a hypothetical. Given that we are in this war against Islamofacism, do you think a Muslim could be prime minister, or would they be sending the wrong 'symbol' in the current state of affairs?

One poster mentioned a Jewish person being loyal to Israel, now we have a question about a Muslim.

There is, fortunately, separation of church and state in Canada, so a person's religion should not affect their ability to represent their constituents.

The question about Dion is not whether he's a great guy, or a patriot, or of a particular religion, in my opinion.

It's about whether someone with dual citizenship should hold a high political office, most particularly that of Prime Minister of Canada, in the unlikely event that the Liberals win an election.

I believe that a federal politician should not hold citizenship in another country. Whether it is France, the US, Bhutan or Australia is irrelevant, the risk for conflict of interest is obvious. I'm not saying that's the case with Dion, necessarily, but thinking generally I don't like the iea.

Caveat:

There is an obvious similarity between those who question loyalty based on birthrights and those who question it based on religion. In both cases it is prejudicial and simple.

Peter what duel citizenship symbolizes is transnationalism or multi-culti or cultural relativism a la Moe Strong and his Koffi-like tranzie buddies.

What the world needs now is strong representative, elected governments. Not institutions representing us such as the un-elected UN. Not the EU form of rule with un-elected representatives in Brussels. Coincidentally that concept has been pushed hard by France, Dion's other citizenship.

The transnationals and Islamofascists have something in common:
The goal for their respective world movements is not based on representative, elected government. These two movements are partnering, informally because they do not hold representative democracy in high esteem. Tranzie thinking dominates our campuses and it dominates the MSM.

Carrying duel citizenship symbolizes tranzie thinking. Being a duel citizen and running to be Canada’s PM is my problem, your problem and Dion’s problem.

As Blair has now finally made clear, if you want to immigrate to the UK you must assimilate to its values of separation of church and state, equality of the sexes and so on,
If we are to allow duel citizenship of our PM’s and other high office holders, then our immigrants will be rightfully asking us “assimilate to what?”

You’ve asked a good question: could a Muslim be our PM?

I’d like to ask a Muslim like Salim Mansur that question. Along with this one:

If a Muslim believes in the separation of church/mosque and state, can they still be a Muslim?

Dion’s duel citizenship IMO is not about his commitment to Canada. It is about his worldview. Does he still believe in cultural relativism? If he were to denounce that, then I think he’d have to follow up symbolically with making a statement that duel citizenship no longer works.

Finally this ties into the whole concept of how we’ve let ourselves become Hotel Canada. If you want to be a Canadian citizen you should pay your taxes on a world income basis and pay your Medical insurance, don’t just show up when you’re sick or when the despots in your homeland start wreaking havoc. We're tired of being Hotel Canada and we can’t afford it.

The time has come to end duel citizenship for Canadians. It’s OK to grandfather those that already have it. .as long as they aren’t running for high office in the land.

So you don't think we should have a Muslim as a PM as a rule?

I think we've now reached the end of our conversation.

“So you don't think we should have a Muslim as a PM as a rule?”

Where did I say that?

I have some questions about it. Even Muslims, such as Salim Mansur a political science Professor at U of Western, have questions about their own issues within their un-reformed religion which is due for enlightenment like Judeo-Christianity has gone through centuries ago.

I will tell you who should not rule – Liberals that are so utopian that they can’t handle a question about their worldview.

I think Dion might fall into that category because he doesn’t even understand the symbolism of duel-citizenship

See you at the polls, we’ll let Canadians decide.

By the way, I just noticed this thread about Dion's citizenship on your blog.

I posted the info to the Globe's website on December 2nd. It seems like the editors took about an hour to consider the truth of the post before they put my post up. After I posted this, I posted several more similar items about Dion's citizenship and a lot of people called me a liar. My posting on the Globe and Mail's webpage got a lot of attention on December 2nd. But I don't really care who put the press on to this item. I just don't want Dion and his cronies (note Chretien) to win the next election. The thought of him winning is frightening. Here is what I said, as well as the link:

You (Lisa Jones of the Celtic nation within a nation, from Canada) wrote:
And oh - here's an explosive little tidbit for you English Canada. Dion is apparently also a citizen of France. Are you seriously considering electing him to run CANADA??????? And why doesn't the media report this stuff. Canadians have the right to know if their potential future leaders have loyalties and CITIZENSHIP to another country. Or doesn't the media know about this?
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