Does this really shock anyone? We are talking about the Liberals remember. They will stoop to anything to get exactly what they want. You can change the leader but you sure can't change the controllers behind the scene. They always get their man.(JC and fishing trips with Dion).

Nice to see anti-Semitism alive and well in the Party of Inclusivity.
Ethnic block voting is an important issue in all political parties. Take a look at the jockeying for the East Indian vote in Surrey and Delta, B.C.

Soooo...I wonder why terrorists are supporting the Liberal party?? The same reason convicts and criminals support the Liberals I suppose. It appears that the Libranos are willing to appease any criminal organization (including their own). During the American midterms we had terrorists cheering the victory of the Democrats, then...Howard Dean gives the keynote speech for the Liberal leadership race. Kind of makes you wonder if terrorist organizations are working behind the scenes to influence elections in "Democratic" countries.

Painting Liberals generally with this nonsense is like painting the Conservatives generally with outbursts by individual members. The Liberals generally have been shameless and immoral in scaremongering for political gain. Lets hope conservatives do not descend to the level of Liberals here. There is a problem here, but I suspect the Liberals feel it as a problem just as much and lets hope hey do something about it.

Wasn't it the columnist George Weston who reported that the Martin govt. lost the "Hells Angels" vote.

Gee, even the Hell Angels criticizing the LIEberals as "@#$#%#$%##$@*(*& hypocrites!".

Must be pretty bad when even the Hells Angels criticize the government.

So Satan's minions won't vote LIEberal?

Anti-semitism at the LIEberal party, that is about right. During the WWII the then Liberals were the party of "none is one too many" when it came to Jewish immigration. Looks like they are going back to their roots.

Cultural ethno centrism alive and well in the multicultural LIEberal party.

Maybe the new Liberal commercial could be "Nine out of ten terrorist organizations support the Liberal Party." The TV commercial would have pictures of Jiihadists with their face covered and suicide belts on proclaiming.."I am a Liberal!! Alleuah Akbahr Mohammed!!"

Murray,

If this were an isolated incident then one could safely write it off as a couple of nutbars....every party has them.

But this isnt isolated....there were numerous incidents at the convention, there were all of the blog comments from midlevel party functionaries....plus other circumstantial evidence from appearing at Hezbollah rallies.

There is a specific disturbing undercurrent of anti semitism, or at best anti israeli (they are different) sentiment in the Liberal party and there is a definite concern about ethnic politics in the Liberal party.

The Tamil issue is the most egregious example.

I still wonder why Ahmed Khadr warrented attention from the prome minister but Bill Sampson, Ms Kazemei and Mahar Arar did not? Contributions and votes is the allegetion. It certainly is why the post Tsunami water filtration sideshow went to Tamil territory over the objections of the host government....talk about sovereignty issues....

There is something rotten in the Liberal party and it wont go away till it is cleaned out.....

I was appalled to hear of this. This is supposed to be the party for all Canadians. Apparently it is only the party of elitists and left wing agendaists (new word).

I guess being married to a Jew in the Liberal Party is akin to treason on some level.

It appears the the Liberal Party of Canada has changed its suit by electing Stephan Dion, but it is still filthy underneath and in need of a bath.

Nine out of ten terrorist organizations support the Liberals. Almost choked on my corn flakes. Good one....accurate too.

Can you imagine the hue and cry if this came out about a Conservative leadership convention; blocks of "ethnic" (read antiSemitic) delegates torpedoing a candidate because his wife is Jewish?

One can only hope this plays well for the CPC, as news filters through the Jewish community of the antiSemitism permeating the Liberal Party, the one-time default home of Canada's Jewish community.

I wonder if there is some kind of fundamental change going on in the Liberal Party. To my knowledge, the Jewish vote in the large cities of Toronto, Montreal etc - is traditionally to the Liberal Party.

Is there a hard left shift in the Liberal Party, where they seem to be merging with the NDP, which is scrabbling to keep from being swallowed by the Liberals? And is this shift, which is the younger generation, made up of rabble.com type anti-Israeli views? It's a common error to merge anti-Israel with anti-Jewish.

That is - is the Liberal Party changing its nature, from the grassroots up? Is the old guard aware that the Party is being changed from the bottom up, rather than by top-down decision making? The Liberals are now no different than the NDP in almost all issues.

Dion is a socialist type - with his empty rhetoric of a focus on 'the environment, social justice and the economy' - issues which ALL governments, no matter their political ideology, are involved in all over the world. But, his claim of private ownership is an attack against the NDP (and Bloc) which also claim them as their own.

But they call the CPC Nazis.

The usual apologists for the Libs in the MSM (G&M, CBC, Torstar) are burying this story, as per usual whenever the ugly side of the Liberal party surfaces. Only CTV, surprisingly, has run with it, as well as the story about Graham comparing the CPC with Nazis.

Somehow, the story of Harper kicking a chair at the CPC convention generated more news than this. Wonder why....

I noted on the convention weekend that the cameras panned the crowd and there sat Mohammed "All Israelis are targets" El Masry.

According to Tarek Fatah:

Two rookie MPs, Omar Alghabra, a Muslim, and, Navdeep Bains, a Sikh, held the strings of as many as 400 delegates in the Kennedy camp. When the time came, these delegates moved as a bloc to Mr. Dion.

How is it that two rookie MPs can hold the strings of anything?

odie441....this surprises you?Ummmmm...seems to me they did the same thing way back in WWII with a boatload of Jews.Guess they don't teach history in school anymore.

I look forward to Warren K's comments on this whole mess within the Liberal Party.

He would be horrified by these accusations. He has acted on them in the past, I suspect he will in the future.

Be interesting to know who that person was a delegate for. And be interesting to see the candidate denounce what was being done.

Without clear condemnations then the contiuing stench of anti semitism will linger within the Liberal Party of Canada.

The embers continue to smoulder, this issue isnt done yet, and the MSM are doing their favourite party no favours by not exposing it. If it is all backroom then the cockroaches will continue to multiply.....

Just thinkin is quite correct when he says this goes way back. In 1939 the gvt of Mackenzie King refused landing to the ss st louis and the ship returned to europe. Over 600 hundred souls perished in the holocaust because of the federal liberal government at the time. Other countries did the same, but that doesn't make it right.
My worry has been that the Liberal party hides dirty linen under the carpet rather than clean it up. When anyone does that the problems keeps comming back and back.
Why can't they clean their house openly and honestly?
What could be wrong in admitting a serious problem and then correcting it?

G&M comments re Dion and his French citizenship favor his keeping it. I wonder if Canada broke out in war, would Chirac pay for Dions evacuation. Now we see liberals are against the Jews, is that a surprise, with Iggy's campaign manager supporting the Hezzies. Wasn't it a liberal government that refused to let a boat full of jewish people disembark and sent them back to the ovens. Liberals have been anti-jewish forever. Maybe the Jewish population will finally realize this and change their vote. And for all those trying to defend Dion for his french citizenship, all the rest in the House with dual citizenship are not trying to be the PM. As for Ted Morton, he was not chosen so it is a non issue. Ezra is not the only one mentioning this, he is the first one to write about it. Regardless, Dion has waited too long, and got too emotional over it, for cdns to trust him. His stmt, if it becomes a problem I will give it up. Hey, it has become a problem, and when you give it up you are telling us Harper can win. That is what you told Manbridge last night.

funny how you always seem to find an undercurrent of anti-semitism running beneath the surface of the Left

"odie441....this surprises you?Ummmmm...seems to me they did the same thing way back in WWII with a boatload of Jews.Guess they don't teach history in school anymore."

Naw not really, I guess my feigned regret was a good performance.

As for history, that answer is NO. I am teaching my kids about Canada's involvement in WW I, WW II, Korea etc. My youngests teacher called me and asked me to stop "opening up old wounds" as this knowledge was not conducive to a productive learning and nurturing environment. She also explained that this type of history leads to ill will between nationalities.

I told her to go to hell, and that my kids know and will continue to know of the sacrifices made by Canadians (of all colour and ethniticity) that fought in the name of freedom.

Ryan,

Well since Israel stopped voting Labour de-emphasizes its socialist roots that is correct.

It is a relatively recent phenomena, say last 20 years or so.

Bang on, Ryan!

Hilarious. I guess the dual citizenship thing didn't have the legs we were hoping for.

Kudos to PMSH for killing the SSM debate at last.

Maybe it's time for someone to say publicly that the Globe & Mail and the conglomerate who own them are basically a source of lefty bullshit and the enablers of decades of Liberal Government corruption in Canada.
A safe haven for the likes of Graham.

Peter Mackay - so it is said - made an insinuation that BS (his ex-lover) was a dog. It's all over the news for 2 weeks. We are told by the Liberals that it is proof-positive there is a deep, underlying pathology in Conservatives that makes them despise all women - everywhere. It proves, so they say, that conservatives want women to be lower-class citizens; barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen. Somehow, the MSM does not protray this as a stretch.

The Liberals show time and time again that they are the very bigoted people that they claim Conservatives are. They show their contempt for people based on race, ethnicity, and (in this case), religion. As someone who has lived in the ridings of both Irwin Cotler and Paul Martin, I can tell you that anti-semitism is alive and well in Montreal (very large Muslim population that out-weighs the Jewish establishment). They don't come out and say it...but they always support Muslim causes because it gets them more votes (which is the only reason Liberals exist). The concept of right and wrong be damned - I want my MP pension.

Codere protesting under a flag of Hezbollah - I don't think it was even mentioned in the national news. A "Rae is evil because his wife is Jewish" campaign in Montreal - this will blow over because its the Liberals (and business as usual - at least in Montreal).

But, Mackay takes a shot at his ex-lover - that makes national headlines because hey...it shows what is hidden in the evil heart of every conservative...and that's much more important than what Liberals wear on their sleeves.

The Liberals have been equivocating at the UN on Israel for years and lately in Lebanon regarding Hezbollah’s terrorism. There are intolerant forces in our society but spineless Liberals would never stand up to them. Some prominent Jewish Liberals have announced their conversion to the CPC .. .Gerry Schwartz , Heather Riesman. Many others have probably quietly done so.

Liberal multiculturalism uses political correctness as a weapon. This has resulted in our society be muzzled when we hear anti-Semitism or intolerance of various kinds. Liberals stand for nothing. They are reaping what they have sown.

If Bob Rae is truly sorry for the mess that he and his Dippers created in Ontario now would be a good time to declare his complete conversion to the principles of Conservatism. Conservative Foreign Policies of encouraging capitalism and democracy are the only long term solution to the intolerance that Arlene Rae experienced.

Now we are beginning to see the fruits of the 'Just' multi-cultural society that the Liberals have been shoveling at us for years. If history teaches us anything it is the fact that multiculturalism doesn't work and that assimilation needs approximately 200+ years to implement. If we are to learn anything from this latest incident we should remember a quote from a famous parliamentarian, "This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning."

antenor...i disagree...if the libranos and moonbats did not artificially prop up cultures, they would assimilate within 2 to 3 generations...as did all new cultures b4 librano muli-culti crap came along....i know, my father could not speak a word of english(italian immigrant), yet all 8 of his children are anglo non-hyphenated canadians....including over 50 yrs service in the CF

Bob Rae " aghast and hurt"

those are new emotions for a dipper.

usually its "shocked and dismayed"

or "disappointed and outraged"

or in the case of Jack Layton "entitled" which is now an emotion created in Canada.

They are only called the Liberal Party because the National Socialist Party was already taken.

Muslims vote and run Liberal/Democrat, because of shared values.

Israel is Dion's stumbling block, lets put it in front of him as many times as possible.

Liberals are the diversity, multicultural, and inclusion party as much as 'Islam is the religion of peace.' Let's crush the racists and bigots.

Whoever made the comments to Ms Rae and produced the hateful e-flyer must be identified and disciplined. I am sick of the one-sided approach of the left v.v. Israel. For God's sake, Arab states and groups have made it clear they want Israel eradicated; Israel and Jews were attacked before statehood in 1947(?) and beyond, and "death to Israel" slogans are commonplace. Yet, if Israel lifts a finger to deal with these murderers, all we hear is how "disproportinate" they are being. Then I hear Stephane Dion characterizing the Canadians' trememdous work in Afghanistan as "killing Taliban, that is all." I wish to thank Mr Dion for moving his party to the left, essentially allying it with anti-Semitic forces. Unfortunately, this is not the tradition of the LPC, despite their shortcomings in other areas.

What does this say about Bob and Arlene Rae, that they would still continue to support the Liberals and act like everything is peachy keen?

Who is the scary political party?
Lie, Cheat, Slander, Steal
Liberals
Not my Canada

Did you guys not know that the CPC is behind this smear campaign? I have it from a very reliable source.

Don't worry about Bob... he's got that liberal juju now.

It's a sombre rite of passage for aspirants to Liberal Party greatness... the dark moment when you sell your soul to the devil. "But it couldn't have hurt that Rae defended Volpe's honour, offering public praise Thursday for Volpe's character and long service to the party."

I hope it is dawning on American and Canadian Jews the reality that the Dems and Liberals are not their friends. 60 years after the Holocaust, "never again" means until next time.

It's the vacuous and inept Dems/Libs that will give Iran time to get their Final Solution bomb completed. It's the Dems/Libs chasing the rabidly anti-Semitic Muslim voters without serious repulsion at their anti-Semitic attitudes. It's Jimmy Carter's new book that's pro-Palestinean, anti-Israel. It's Hollywood that funds Borat and his anti-Semitic shtick as humor.

Why any American or Canadian Jew is still voting for or funding Dems/Libs I do not understand?

To Kingstonlad, I hope you thanked your Dad. The point I was making and you inferred in part to it was that people like your Dad came to Canada and gratefully accepted the standards that were entrenched here. He wanted to be a part of the country. I worked with a great many Europeans in Toronto and they brought a wide variety of cultural differences with them in the fifties and sixties, but they left the old animosities in the 'Old Country'. Also they were too busy trying to make a better life for themselves and their families to worry about petty 'tribal' rivalries that existed in the 'Old Country'. Also they didn't demand their "Rights", they came here and rolled up their sleeves and proved themselves worthy of having their "Rights". Your Father, like mine, was not assimilated but he was integrated, and by integrating he proved his worth by his dilligence and labour. Your Dad and thousands like him have bestowed these rights to you. Unfortunately Liberal policies have diluted our "Rights" over the last fifty years. That is another story, this Rae-Jewish thing is only the tip of the iceberg. Once again be sure to thank your Dad and your Mother too.

"Why any American or Canadian Jew is still voting for or funding Dems/Libs I do not understand?"

my anecdotal evidence from observing my own family:

- Jews have swallowed the line that the Nazis were rightwing, therefore they personally could never be right of center/conservative

- liberal Jews are post-modern relativists who are basically against any notion that a Creator gave a specific plot of land to a specific nation

I had an epiphany on 9/11 and realized that anti-Jewism thrives on the polital left. My family can't stand that I have abandoned the left. I succeeded in convincing my parents to vote Conservative but the rest of them are stuck in the 60s. Hopefully more Jews are waking up to reality

Water finds it's own level.

ET,

I didn't know that the NDP are playing a game of Scrabble with the Libs for votes. I hope they're not cheating by looking in a dictionary...

As a fellow Toronto Jew, I can confirm that ex-liberal is exactly correct. The "Hitler was a right-winger" smear runs deep, as does the moral relativism encouraged by the Reform and Conservative branches of Judaism that dominate Canadian Jewry.

I don't know if the Jewish community will make a serious move to the Conservative party. Part of the Schwartz-Reisman crowd's change of allegiance undoubtedly has to do with who's in power. But they will certainly stop giving money to the Liberals, which will cost the Dion-led leftys HUGE in the pocketbook.

This is OT but should be brought to everyones attention. CBC Calgary just commented on Arar's stmt, with the wording saying perceived (maybe it was possible) wrongdoing by the RCMP. I thought by the coverage this last week it was absolute positive proof that Zac did do wrong along with many of members of the force. What happened, did the liberals and cbc wakeup to the fact that there are many bad secrets about the liberal that might come out in a tell all book. I expect that book to come out about a week before the next election, (I can wish). Was Holland silenced. Change of wording must have something to do with the lawsuit.

Seems to me that the NDP would be afraid of Bob Rae as Lib Leader too!

This is the funniest article I've read in a long time.

penny,

Sacha Ben Cohen, the actor who plays Borat is Jewish. I haven't seen the movie, but the intent of the Ali G Show(where the character of Borat originated) was largely aimed at depicting Americans as stupid, bigoted cowboys(a sentiment I'm sure everyone on this board including myself agrees with - *sarcasm off).

As a few posters have noted, liberal Jews are attracted to multi-culti, global brothership-type, 'anti-nationalist' type movements like communism (Trotsky, Marx) because of course they fear nationalist movements(NSDAP) which have historically scapegoated Jews for centuries (think Crusades and German pogroms).

Israeli politics is quite interesting in that there are pacifists both on the extreme left and extreme right. The Socialist/'shetl'/kibbutz Jews who refuse to serve in the West Bank for international brotherhood reasons (similar to the John Yoder Christian Left), as well as Orthodox/Hasidics who believe Israel should surrender because it is a secular state ordained by gentiles, and not the Israel foretold by Divine Intervention in the Old Testament by God. The idea is: if I get along with my oppressor, he shall save me(Moses).

That being said, there are lots of good 'conservative' Jews as well: the Chicago school of economics, Kissinger, David Frum...

A priest, rabbi and a minister walk into a bar...

Seriously, I have yet to understand how Jews got to be so evil and detested, but then again I don't see why any religion can dictate myths and lies as doctrine.

We have groups of muslims that say the koran tells them to wipe out the Jews. We have the Canadian jewish community against the CPC for some redneck reason. Must be Heddi's burning crosses, I guess. There are "progressives" that think that the Christians are worse than the Jews and Islamists combined.

Life would be a lot easier if everyone just used their own head to make their minds up instead of blindly following their religious or political leaders.

Amen, pass the collection plate.

Just surfing dipperland and have been unable to find any discussions of the Bob Rae slurs.
I thought the NDP were the champions of the hard done by, inequality and all that kind of stuff?
Actually only found one Lib mention which was titled "This is not the Liberal Party" [except that it obviously is]

Texas Canuck, you must be from the Pat Buchanan-James Baker school of conservative moonbattery, where the world would be so much better if the Jews would just go away. Shame on you.

December 08, 2006

Shameful anti-Semitic slurs against Rae

Copy of anti-semitic flyer here:

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000751.html

Watching left-tards like Ti-Guy slithering in his usual vulgar fashion at safe blogs for other likeminded left-tards, while crying like babies because they were banned from certain blogs that won't tolerate their childish behaviour always makes me smile.

I'm still laughing.

Ha ha ha, Bob and Iggy thought this was about politics and policies, I guess they didn't get the memo that the liberal boys are nothing but a bunch of gangster thugs. At least Iggy can go back to Harvard, Bob sold out his NDP soul, kinda like Buzz. After this, how can we treat the liberals as a political party with Canada's best interests in mind. There isn't much difference between Hamas, or is it Hezbolla, in Lebannaon and Liberals in Canada. Trudeau, Mo Strong, started this cult, when do they bring out the rockets.

We don't have any proof that CPC observers at the convention were behind this, nor that Liberals were. Until we know for sure (and we may never), we should not tar either party with it.

Illustrative of the the Liberal mindset....do or say whatever you can to get or keep power.

This LPC is a house of corruption. It needs to be burned to the ground....if there are ANY honest Liberals they must be loosing a lot of sleep.

I've had the pleasure of growing up around Upper Canadian Liberals and they're all the same. Very anti-semetic Protestants of English ancestory. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the Liberals in Canada feel this way.

"anti-semetic Protestants of English ancestory"

It's kind of pathetic to see religious and ethnic bigotry in a thread about anti-semitism, particularly from people who can't spell it.

Maybe the renascent anti-Semitism of the Liberals is based on demographics. From 1997 to 2001, the number of Jews in the country increased from 318 to 329 thousands, while the number of Muslims increased from 253 to 579 thousands. I'm sure in the six years since (couldn't find later figures) that gap has widened considerably, given our immigration policies.

christopher: "It's kind of pathetic to see religious and ethnic bigotry in a thread about anti-semitism, particularly from people who can't spell it."

Yes, irony is all around...

Crabgrass,

It occurred at a Liberal convention, therefore its prima facie liberals.

However there's numerous witnesses to corroborate that this was organized by libs at the convention, including

Rae's wife (who the stupid delegates didn't realize who she was) was directly approached by known liberal delegates.

Pathetic try to pin this on the CPC.

Course given the vile nature of the conduct I can understand why you'd want to avoid supporting such a party.

But alas, it is your Liberal party.

Inciting racial hatred.

"In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990)." (answers.com)

Is the Liberal Party of Canada liable?

Are the creators/distributors of the "flyer" inciting racial hatred?

"We don't have any proof that CPC observers at the convention were behind this,"

Not just pathetic, clueless too.

I actually don't know this, but would it be easy to tell a delegate from an observer? "The delegate beat a hasty retreat" suggests to me that they in fact do not know who it was. That's rather key. Do we know who the witnesses are? I haven't been following closely, but I haven't heard any names at all. If any of this information comes out (again, maybe it has, but can you point me to it?), it would do much to lend some creedence to the story.

It's not really my Liberal party, but I do like what I'm seeing right now. It looks like we all have at least some time to make that decision.

Ace, I'm well aware that Borat is Jewish, He doesn't get a pass from me because he is. Given we are at war with a fascist ideology that at it's core wants to kill us, that Islamofascists are humorless thugs that would never appreciate his self-depreciating sense of humor, I think he and Hollywood are on a very slippery slope promoting his style of humor. There is no humor in anti-Semitism or in manipulating an image of Americans as idiots. It disgusts me that it gets exported overseas, like so much garbage out of Hollywood, for all of the world to misunderstand.

Canada is hotel to the world

duallys like Dion. notice the most common thread-libs and dippers except Myron.

Omar Alghabra (Ontario Liberal), with Syria.
Raymond Chan (British Columbia Liberal), with the United Kingdom.
Libby Davies (British Columbia NDP), with the United Kingdom.
Jim Karygiannis (Ontario Liberal), with Greece.
Wajid Khan (Ontario Liberal), with Pakistan.
Maka Kotto (Quebec Bloc Québécois), with France.
Pablo Rodriguez (Quebec Liberal), with Argentina.
Michael Savage (Nova Scotia Liberal), with the United Kingdom.
Mario Silva (Ontario Liberal), with Portugal.
Lui Temelkovski (Ontario Liberal), with Macedonia.
Myron Thompson (Alberta Conservative), with the United States.

Ya know, in a rational thinking nation, supporting the Jews who were provoked into their last conflict and mounted a surgical assault designed to minimze collateral damage, would be a good thing.

Supporting the islamo-freaks who use human bombs and "fire-and-f*ckit" missle strategies would generally seem to be a bad thing.

Then again, my mind does not apparently function (or not) like a Liberal's.

"G&M comments re Dion and his French citizenship favor his keeping it. I wonder if Canada broke out in war, would Chirac pay for Dions evacuation. Now we see liberals are against the Jews, is that a surprise, with Iggy's campaign manager supporting the Hezzies. Wasn't it a liberal government that refused to let a boat full of jewish people disembark and sent them back to the ovens. Liberals have been anti-jewish forever. Maybe the Jewish population will finally realize this and change their vote. And for all those trying to defend Dion for his french citizenship, all the rest in the House with dual citizenship are not trying to be the PM. As for Ted Morton, he was not chosen so it is a non issue. Ezra is not the only one mentioning this, he is the first one to write about it. Regardless, Dion has waited too long, and got too emotional over it, for cdns to trust him. His stmt, if it becomes a problem I will give it up. Hey, it has become a problem, and when you give it up you are telling us Harper can win. That is what you told Manbridge last night."

Wow! Every time I read something by "maryT" I cringe for SDA. She's almost singlehandedly lowering the tone of this site.

Shorter Kate: "Whaaa! It's a vast global conspiracy against teh jooos!"

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure, Kate, it gets more believable every time you and the rest of the "Israel First" nutbars say it. This Canadian Press story is a crock and I seriously question the gullability of anyone who buys this steaming turd retail.

Dennis Prager a talk show host, columnist and Jew wrote and article about why most Jews are liberal:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/04/25/explaining_jews,_part_v_why_are_jews_liberal

In the last American mid-term election American Jews voted 85% for the Democrats even though they are more anti-semitic than Canada's liberals.

"The Canadian Jewish Congress has condemned the flyer and blamed Khaled Mouammar, president of the Canadian Arab Federation for circulating it. The federation has, in turn, accused the CJC of making "a pitiful attempt to discredit" it and has denied producing or distributing the flyer.

Nevertheless, in a release Thursday, the federation supported the content of the flyer."

That is the part that I think everyone has overlooked so far. They didn't write it, but they sure wish they did. Whatever group (winkety blink) wrote this certainly has the support of the Canadian Arab Federation.

would it be okay if Mr. Dion was a dual citizen of Israel?

Bravo odie441...missed the regret :). I tell my grandaughters about the wars, and what their grandfathers and great-grandfather sacrificed so that they can argue whether they can listen to their Ipods in school or not. As for that teacher, I think that is a misuse of the word "teacher". Old wounds? Guess he/she never heard about learning from our mistakes, and how those that don't, are doomed to repeat it!

Ex-liberal: "would it be okay if Mr. Dion was a dual citizen of Israel?"

No. Nothing would be okay. I guarantee it.

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JJM, something tells me that MaryT is a little wild-eyed. It has become apparent that someone who agrees with everything that Kate infers can indeed damage the brand.

"I'm well aware that Borat is Jewish, He doesn't get a pass from me because he is."

I agree...

jjm & crabgrass - what you can't handle the truth.
Must be liberals. The only person who could be our PM and hold dual citizenship is one of our Native leaders. I am not wide eyed, just someone who has been around a long time and has a very good memory, especially of past liberal actions against the Jews. Has canada ever refused to let a plane load or boat load of muslims disembark, to be returned to their country to be blown up by some idiot with a death wish. Also, those saying the conservatives called Arar a terrorist in the house of commons. It would be in Hansard, please find it. Today Day challenged the liberals to do find it. Libs better be careful or the truth will be brought out, and it will not look good for Graham, the ambassador to Syria or backroom libs.

i did post that in angry
Another looser
Maher Arar – dual citizen Canada & Syria. And US could not decide so they took 51% he was Syrian. And they ship him there – now ---cry baby cry……

"I wonder if there is some kind of fundamental change going on in the Liberal Party. To my knowledge, the Jewish vote in the large cities of Toronto, Montreal etc - is traditionally to the Liberal Party."

The fundamental change is that there are now a lot more muslims in Canada than jews. They don't need the jewish vote if they can get the muslim vote.

mbaron

"Crabgrass":

Check "maryT's" last posting.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Nuff said.

Given that this is the first time I have commented on this topic, I will provide full disclosure. I am neither Jewish nor Arabic. I was born in Alberta to second generation Canadians, ancestors British.
In the last ten years I did spend a year as the Chief of Liaison to the Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai of Egypt, dealing "up close and personal" with Egyptian and Israeli officers on a range of matters. I was also involved closely with the Palestinian issue.
I will tell you that when you are dealing with mid-East relationships, there is plenty of blame to go around. No one is guiltless, no one is entirely guilty. When you see the blatant anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli dialogue that characterises the current position of the Liberal party, it is obvious that they have "lost the bubble"; they no longer have the ability to differentiate between rhetoric and reality; and they have no interest in the truth. The situation at the convention does not surprise me. Too bad.

Anyone recall that during their convention Ken Dryden crying out "I want my Canada back".

Well Ken, how do you feel about your Liberal comrades now? Is that your Canada?

Let's face it.

The Liberals' Canada is just a mess.
anti-mom/dad/kid families
anti-having babies
anti-Jewish
anti-CPC
anti-Harper
anti-Alberta
anti-accountability
anti-responsibility
anti-protecting 14-year-old kids from sexual predators

Aunty Sicko.

Over at Cherniak's he has posted a statement by Dion. Funny, but the statement says that the dissemination of Anti-Semitic material at the convention was a terrible thing (blah blah blah) but nowhere does he say that it was a Conservative plant or a Rovian conspiracy. He seems to believe the incident actually happened and was perpetrated by (gasp) Liberals!!

I guess we'll soon see the apologies from the many posters here and, of course, on the many LibLogs for falsely accusing Conservatives.

Crabgrass

An anti-Semitic flyer was recently distributed at the Liberal Leadership Convention

Or, was it really a fake, ordered by Steven Harper, and distributed by a CPC "plant?"

Did the Conservatives fake the flyer? We don't know. They're not saying. (sarcasm off)

Give your head a shake!

RLP - Could you point me to some of the dialogue that you're referring to?

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Even with respect to whatever might have happened at the convention, so far we have "a delegate" and "Rae team insiders" purportedly reporting what is being bought in bulk as the truth here.

The Canadian Arab federation denies distributing it but agrees with the content.
Okay... I don't know anything about them, but does it matter?
Is there a tie to the Liberal party in there somewhere?

"A Montreal-based pro-Palestinian group urged Liberals..[not to vote for Rae]" Could the same group not urge CPC members to vote a certain way at some point? Would that prove something?

Last paragraph: "The smears have raised broader questions..." Smears.

Is there anything more concrete than my chicken scratch summary here? Do we have even the name of a single soul willing to substantiate any of this?

I'm not trying to be difficult here. Can anyone point me to something more compelling than what I've gleaned from this piece?

Is it possible that Kennedy knew about the flyer, and that possibly one of Raes supporters was going to take it public on TV at the end of voting on second ballot. If that happened, Rae would get the sympathy vote and possible put GK out of the race. He pulled a fast one by dropping out of the third vote. Could this be why, his camp was full of muslim delegates (400)which was half his vote. The liberal party will not be united for a long time, until they get trudeau the 2nd. Gee, cbc must of lost their love for Dion, haven't seen or heard from him all day.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MUSLIMS.

mezba said...

Is it purely about the optics then? I would HATE to see him fold over this.It will be an insult to all dual citizens who are 100% loyal to Canada but hold on to their original citizenship due to sentimental reasons.

It will also be a sign that Ezra Levant[Western Standard]

the nutcase has power. ...-

(Posted at a Lib blog)

Maybe of topic
But can someone explain to me why we have a bank in Canada?
Food one
Why?
Are they taking me for ride?

NCF TO, I just reread my comments and no where does it even elude that "where the world would be so much better if the Jews would just go away" as you wrote.

I gather that reading comprehension wasn't one of your best subjects in school. If you are going to try and slam me then try to understand what was written.

mbaron

It doesn't get much clearer than what you have said and it is a fact.

Thanks to decades of the Liberals pandering to most all of the dynamic minority lobbies in order to get votes to sustain themselves up to now. The less moderate (?) Muslim lobby has primarily gone to the Liberals as they believe it is the best long term way for them to go - not to grow Canada, but to impose many of their own values rather than integrating. It is all about power.

They are becoming increasingly more politically active, have the financing, and have inherited the vehicle for power (totally gratis) - all of the legislation that has here-to-fore been passed to protect 4 million uni-lingual francophones as well as the other strong minority groups that have supported them in a joint effort as being the best way to ensure their own group's interests - imposing their own mores/values on the ROC. It has put the ROC into this extreme political correctness mode - either acquiesce or face going to a human rights tribunal. Total insanity - about 30% minority of a country driving the entire socio/political engine of the country.

With the next huge wave of immigration expected to arrive from India - so will another power lobby emerge that has the interest in, and the financial backing to pursue political influence to impose many of their own mores/values rather than to integrate.

The question is - what to do? The first step in problem solving is awareness and far to many in the ROC have just not got to this point yet.

off topic:
Hydro one
Again they caught thief
All CEO are like that?

RLP - When you see the blatant anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli dialogue that characterises the current position of the Liberal party, it is obvious that they have "lost the bubble"; they no longer have the ability to differentiate between rhetoric and reality; and they have no interest in the truth.

Man, that is a poignant statement! Sadly that is the state of politics today. Win at all costs. Even if it means selling your soul.

Crabgrass,

Do we have even the name of a single soul willing to substantiate any of this?

Mrs. Rae isn't good enough? Conspiracy for sure.

BTW: When I go fishing we try to go where we know there are fish.

I would have also thought having a NDP leader for the liberal party would have been enough not to choose him ... NDP/liberal same thing.

The suggestion that CPC observers were behind this is beyond credulity. I am sure they would not be capable of pulling something off like that, for starters. But I also find it difficult to believe this is some systemic problem within the Liberal party without much, much more to go on. Sure there appears to be, and I hear from disappointed inside sources, that religious and ethnic-based politics is happening, but that is a long way from what is reported here. I also find it somewhat dubious that a delegate would not recognize the wife of one of the two lead candidates and, in addition, would make such statements to someone he did not already know. It seems the matter should be explored thoroughly, but it is way too early get on the soapbox, either way.

Ural, I'd be glad to discuss this, if you're up for continuing.

Pretend for a moment that someone who claimed to be representing you told Mrs. Rae something pretty ugly. Do you think you might ask Mrs Rae "who was it? What camp were they from?" This is not a silly question.

Mrs. Rae indicated that a delegate told her not to vote for Bob, and upon her identifying herself made a hasty retreat. This person did NOT want to be identified. Your guess is as good as mine. It seems that you're confident it was a delegate, and beyond that, if it was a delegate it provides all the evidence we need that the Liberal party is rife with venomous anti-Semitism. I'm just saying that it's a pretty rash judgement, especially on something so damning. Does that make sense?

I asked earlier and got no reply, is there a way to distinguish delegates from observers?
Anyone? I'd love to know this (I think it's really important) and I don't.

Ural, when you say that he Liberals and NDP are the same thing, I assume that you mean you'd never vote for either. Myself, I would make a distinction, but I guess that's why we all vote!

Any thoughts?

Jacques Parizeau and his "ethnic vote" comment... simply google it.

Whew...just checked in on the weblog awards thing...Kate, with over 700 votes, and her closest rival has 72...

VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN...well, as often as once every 24 hrs, that is...

Well Crabgrass, you have me convinced that it was a CPC plant and not some anti-semitic Liberal delegate (really now, is there such as thing)who would engage Rae's wife at the convention.

I going to become a liberal based on comments...now go away, you have a convert

Crabgrass,

It's been awhile since I was at a convention (never made it to a political one). I recall everyone wearing badges ... needed one even to get lunch. I remember glancing at badges when I was talking to those wearing them. Everyone had badges. Maybe things have changed.

Your better off going to rabble.ca if you are seeking someone to agree with you.

Crabgrass: If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are its a duck. This looks to be typical of the Liberal mindset.

To try to suggest that neither the LPC or CPC should be held to blame for this campaign because there is no proof of who was behind it is ludicrous in the extreme. The CPC has publicly stood up and supported Israel when the rest of the world (except the US) denounced them. The Liberals were actually supporting the terrorists.

I think you are also suggesting that perhaps this didn't happen? A copy of the flyer is available for review and the CIC is making statements about it...if it didn't happen, there's a lot of fuss about nothing.

You may as well carry on with this reasoning...the CPC probably killed JFK too.

Crabgrass, the following is from CTV:

Sources close to Rae say that his wife, Arlene Perly Rae, was approached during last weekend's convention by a delegate who didn't realize she was the candidate's wife. The delegate told her not to vote for Rae "because his wife is Jewish."

Now if you are questioning this, then you are (a) calling CTV a liar, (b) calling Mrs. Rae a liar, or (c) doubting Mrs. Rae's ability to differentiate between a delegate and an observer.

One would expect that Mrs. Rae might have had some experience regarding the latter.

So which is it Crabgrass?

A gift from Arafat to Dion and his wife: Montreal Gazette.

"Or the gift that Yasser Arafat* gave the couple before he died."

*Yasser Arafat.

Joanne, it is (c), but I'm not suggesting that Mrs. Rae is less capable of making that differentiation than anyone else. That's why I asked whether it's easy to distinguish. If a person did want to cause some mischief, how hard would it be to impersonate a delegate? It has become apparent that in some circles, the mileage would be superb.

John, I myself am not convinced that it was a CPC plant by any means, and I did not claim that it was. My asking the question is being interpreted as a hostile act here. If you want to be fair, have a quick look at my questions and let me know if you have anything for me to chew on (oops, insert joke here!).

Crabgrass, o.k. Then we obviously need to get someone in here that is knowledgeable and trustworthy as an information resource. That would have to be someone in the Liberal party of course, who was at the convention.

So we need a knowledgeable Liberal in a position of authority who will tell us the truth. Why does that sound somewhat oxymoronic?

Yesterday, i read that there was a pro-Palestinian web site that was advocating that Liberals do not elect ANOTHER ZIONIST leader.
Sorry, cant remember where it was, im looking...............

To those who doubt the story: MOHAMMED ELMASRY WAS AT THE CONVENTION! Did the CPC plant him in the room, too? The fact that this unapologetic Jew-hater's presence was tolerated makes the whole flyer issue pale in comparison.

The Libs have bent over backwards to attract "progressives". This ios what you attract when you do that.

Re delegate/observer. All conventions etc have registration desks. Remember the fuss because western delegates got there late due to flight and weather delays and couldn't register by the closing time. All those who get into these affairs have badges, Delegate, visitor, press, or other designation. Of course with all those red condoms being used by females in red thongs it is possible someone lost their identification. Still, the person approaching Mrs Rae had to have had some kind of id on. Did you not watch any of the 24/7, everyone had on a tag of somekind. How many times did anyone ever see the wife of any candidate pre convention. I asked many times if Iggy was married. Chretains and Martins wife were seldom in the media. It is very likely that one did not recognize Mrs Rae.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a liberal apologist. But, consider this; isn't it possible that there are some racists/bigots in the LPC, as I'm sure there are in the Bloc, NDP and CPC. My point is there is no evidence any of our political parties have a "racism problem," though I certainly feel these individuals, whatever their affiliation, must be identified and disciplined. It is not acceptable to label an entire group based on a preconceived, prejudiced view. We should all be together on this issue.

Shamrock, my only comment to that would be...where was the indignation then? We were forced to watch the convention 24/7 by CBC and there wasn't a single "shocked and appalled" statement by anyone about the shocking flyer.

As this didn't even seem to cause so much as a ripple at the convention, it mustn't have been too much of a shocker for them...or so I speculate.

The Liberal Party;

treating with the sworn enemies of Canada and Western civilization; indulging in political blackmail/extortion with the enemy within Canada.

Dion may now be a hostage to the multi-ethnic factions whose support was crucial in seizing the power at the centre of the Liberal Party.

The Liberal Party would impose upon Canada a Prime Minister, namely, Stephane Dion, a socialist, who is a citizen of a foreign country, France.

If elected Prime Minister, Dion would carry the fight to the dissolution of Canada.

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DELEGATES AS AGENTS FOR ETHNIC INTERESTS

Just seven days after choosing a new leader, Liberals have a problem that isn't Stéphane Dion.

His first-week reviews, while not entirely flattering, glow in contrast to retrospectives on the peculiar process that made him an upset winner.

It's clear now that unusual forces

shaped a convention that contradicts conventional wisdom.
...

A significant number of delegates went to Montreal

as more than Liberals,

or even Canadians

— they went as pressure points for ethnic and foreign interests.

Groups with ties to Sri Lanka's complex conflict are being singled out for their aggressive tactics.

Ignatieff organizers say one Montreal faction put the price of its support on a future Liberal government

establishing a consulate in the area fighting for independence.

And Rae supporter Tarek Fatah this week exposed

detailed discussions with Tamils allegedly

offering to trade votes for a promise to delist

[Tamil]Tiger guerrillas as terrorists.

(Travers at the TO Red Star)

...- ...-

Vijay wrote:

Sikhs to Iggy
Saturday, December 2nd, 2006

more Sikh supporters of Kennedy have moved over to Iggy,

this is in addition to the other Indo-Canadians who have moved to Iggy earlier.

We are working to hear on a deal on something big

with the Tamil delegates, who will hopefully come over to Iggy, addiing another 75 delegates.

I have been hearing that some […]

Sleep well tonight, tomorrow it will be a sin!
Friday, December 1st, 2006

Sleep well tonight and go easy on the free booze. Tomorrow BB pin messages will start zapping around making deals between candidates and bloc voter groups.

There are over 60 delegates from the Tamil community

and hundreds from the Indo-Canadian community

that all the top 4 have been vying for. I’m sure there are […]

Imagine if someone walked up to you at and started abusing you and your heritage.Do you think if they were wearing a badge you might identify what they were?
At a convention there is a lot of down time with not much happening.I would bet that Mrs Rae got hold of an aide or two and tracked the individual down and subsequently identified who the person was.I would also suggest that the Liberals do not want this issue investigated at this time as it deflects from the new leader

Mohammed Elmasry was there? Wow. Mark Steyn's book is starting to look quite prophetic.

Eeyore, I, like you, have been forced to live with unbalanced "reporting." To some extent, we are stuck with the MSM as it is now, probably into the next election. Mr Harper did get them to come around, so we are still in good shape overall. V.v. this issue; once it is verified who wrote and distributed this e-flyer, then, yes, the MSM should go after the Liberals. I wouldn't hold my breath, though. Thank God for the blogosphere, who likely will unearth the details and hopefully force the MSM to act.

James Travers has an article about the ethnic pressuring during the election. The link is on National Newswatch. Also check out Daimnation!

Interesting post there containing a message from an email apparently sent out by Mr. Elmasry: "More Canadian Muslims than ever before will help determine Liberal Leadership Outcome."

And "...one Kennedy delegate organizing among the Muslim community sent out a letter to the country's mosques, asking for Muslims to vote "en masse" for one candidate."

Just a simple question,if someone a little more comp.savvy than I am could help.How many msm articles were there on "Doggygate",as opposed to this far more serious,anti-semitic incident?I find it appaling,that stories related to Libs(of the negative kind),seem to be hidden mid-paper,or small caps..compare this to the OUTRAGE over the most miniscule thing that the Cons.do,be it good or bad...and the good is just never good enough,not enough money thrown at useless programs,msm drags out anyone they can find to slag it all.More than tired of this,and wish there was at least 1 major t.v.outlet,that would just tell the truth..or is that too much to ask?Who knows,people might get to like it!

Looks like the liberals should adopt BS's plan, one vote/member and no conventions. Who selected all those delegates of one ethnic background. 14/riding. Are all ridings in Ont and Que made up of muslims, tamils etc. Now I know it is always done, that busloads of instant members jam these types of meetings. What is wrong with the grass roots acting. Maybe the ordinary liberal has left the party, to be overtaken by these other ethnic groups. There must be a list of registered delegates somewhere. Then there were all those people waiting to be appointed to replace those that didn't get there for one reason or another. Who were they and where did they come from. If they were from the west how did they get there when planes were cancelled or delayed due to weather. If the PM can cancell SOWs and other programs, can he ammend/cancel/abolish the multicultural act, or stop funding to these groups. Still haven't seen anything on cbc re the supposed massive rally by waa today in Ottawa.
I also await to see if Arar has given up his Syrian passport, and if not why not. It was that country that supposedly tortured him, probably by making him sleep with the light on and watch Mercer reruns. That is the first thing he should have done after landing on cdn soil, as should all of his family. Besides, as a muslim he made a very stupid decision to go to Syria and travel thru the US so shortly after 9/11, and have his syrian passport with him. If I recall, all americans were very touchy for several months, and many still are. Arar has had his 15 minutes/months of fame, time for him to go away, maybe to Syria. Has he had any contact with that country, via mail, phone, e-mail etc since returning to Canada. Is he still being watched by somebody, maybe the NSI in the US.

The Liberals know what they allowed into the country under their tenure. They know where they are settled and have been successful in electing members from those ridings. Areas of Ontario and before Adscam, Quebec is all they needed to keep power. The Western Rubes could go to hell.
It's so totally astounding how the Jewish people continue to flock to Liberals in spite of how much anti-semitism is apparent, not only now but historically.
If the incident with Rae's wife happened at a Conservative convention the headlines would be in all newspapers across the Country.

Sammy said... "How many msm articles were there on "Doggygate",as opposed to this far more serious,anti-semitic incident?"

Sammy, the media were able to report that Peter MacKay, a cabinet minister, said "you already have her", when MacKay referred to Belinda Stronach as his dog. If a liberal of comparable prominence were to say anything of the sort in front of a whole whack of people, I guarantee that the media would be all over it.

While I'm here, how do you feel about the fact that MacKay doesn't have the integrity to admit what he said?

MaryT, I sincerely hope that your most recent post does mark your finally hitting bottom.

"If a liberal of comparable prominence were to say anything of the sort in front of a whole whack of people, I guarantee that the media would be all over it."

Posted by: Crabgrass at December 10, 2006 01:17 AM

How about Bill Graham comparing the Tories to the Nazis? Just happened this week and no real outrage. The Post reproted it on it on page A6 of the Saturday paper. Do you think Nazi analogies are acceptable discourse?

Wow, fag-haters lecturing people about the evils of discrimination. Isn't that cute?

Far as I know all the Rae are Jewish or of Jewish stock with jewish corporate connections which are pro Israel...so what?...well in context of the new liberalism ( AKA Lin-left) "Jooooos" are no longer to be trusted because of the international zionist network which supports the imperialst-zionist states of Israel and the US and which wage war against innocent Palestinian people and the sacrosanct Muslim world.

Liberal dogma has adopted the anti zionist screed of the wackey paleo-Marxists in the terror camps of Arabia...good to see the Liberal creed devolving socially, culturally, intellectually and philosophically as expected.....and their new friends have a lot to do with the latest acceleration into Liberal politiclly correct bigoty.

Poor Warren Kinsella is at a loss for words respecting the Arab lobby that gerrymandered the Liberal leadership race.

He's more interested in bemoaning the 'manufactured' (his words) identity crisis Deon left himself open to by retaining his French citizanship to please his Mom. How quaint to evoke your Mom when commiting political suicide.

Dion has been lamed up at the starting gate like Old Paint. Nothingh left for Dion but the glue factory once the Harper Juggernaut put's it foot down.

Dion is the mouse that roared. Harpers Elephant in the room will simply step on him.

The poor man hasn't even got the courage of his convictions by blinking on his French citizenship.

Anyone willing to compromise that much so quickly will be eaten alive by the Conservatives.

Dion will provide enough cannon fodder to ensure dis self-destruction at the ballot box.