Update - Showing keen political instincts right out of the gate....
He snapped when a reporter raised New Democrat MP Pat Martin's opposing opinion on the matter: "He may keep his opinion to himself. I am proud of who I am, and I am fully loyal to my country. I think I have proven it, and no one will question it.[...]
The issue appears to be an emotional one for Mr. Dion, who cut off further questions about the matter by repeating the phrase "end of the story" several times. During the media scrum yesterday, he told reporters to "move on" to other questions when it was repeatedly raised.
Ezra's article was stupid. Is he trying to defeat the Harper government? If I were Harper and the Conservative party I'd be doing everything that I can to disassociate myself from Ezra Levant and the Western Standard because they are nothing but a liability.
The word on the street is that Ezra's going around calling himself a "liberal" these days, which is rather incongruous for a man who publishes what purports to be "Canada's only Conservative Magazine."
Posted by: Bob at December 5, 2006 8:32 PMoh no. it is a misinterpretation of Dions fine English.
he didnt mean Canada first , then France ?
he must have meant Canada only. mais oui?
Posted by: cal2 at December 5, 2006 8:41 PMBob , Dion's duel allegiance's has nothing to do with allegiance to PMSH; it has to do with Canadian citizens. We cannot have a PM (should he ever get the job - and he claims he wants that job!) who has TWO passports. He is a citizen of France! How would he behave if France brought over another De Gaulle to rant and rave about Free Quebec, Vive La Quebec! Give your head a shake.
Posted by: Jema54 at December 5, 2006 8:44 PMWhy should this surprise anybody? I mean, what other country in the world allows a party sworn to its destruction to have seats in its government. What would be so different with a French ( as in Fwaaannnccce) PM ?
Posted by: Justthinkin at December 5, 2006 8:45 PMIn days gone by Dion was a sovereignist. Is the Clarity Act crafted by him just an act?
Posted by: Bruce Randall at December 5, 2006 8:51 PMThis is turning out wonderfully. Dion is too politically tone deaf, or just plain arrogant, to realize this is a liabilty. Fact is, i think most liberals know it, but they don't want point out the emperor's lack of pants.
I hope he talks about it often, indignantly, and in his mangled English.
Bob - do yourself a favour and Google "classic liberalism". Just because today's progressive liberals have bastardized the brand doesn't mean they own the term liberal.
Posted by: BBS at December 5, 2006 9:02 PMDion clearly has deep ties to Canada. I don't doubt that. However what's good for the goose is good for the gander. GG had to give up her dual citizenship under the Liberal party well, then so should Dion in the interest of continuity. Mind you I'm hoping he doesn't, because that is frankly one more nail in the coffin.
Posted by: Fergy at December 5, 2006 9:14 PMThe Clarity Act was drafted by Stephen Harper and Preston Manning in collaboration. Dion has merely claimed it for himself as Liberals always do.
Dion holding French citizenship could be an issue of conflict of interest IF he makes it to Prime Minister.
France is one country which has not been the best friend of Canada. On more than one occasion they have advocated for the breakup of our Country.Currently they are not pulling their weight in Afghanistan to aid our soldiers in the
dangerous zone either. It will be interesting to see if they change their position when our French regiment, recently deployed arrives on the scene.
Closet Liberal BBS lisped: "Bob - do yourthelf a favour and Google "clathic liberalithm". Just becauthe today'th progretttthive liberalth have bathtardithed the brand doethn't mean they own the term liberal."
With all due respect, jarhead, I shan't be taking poli-sci lessons from the likes of you today, mmm-kay? Debating and fuzzifying the meaning of words like "liberal" and "nation" is for twenty year olds. I'll tell you what liberal isn't: conservative.
Ezra did everything short of call Dion a "frog"; it reflects poorly on all right wingers and makes getting a majority government all the more difficult for the CPC. So I ask again: is Ezra trying to get the Liberals elected?
Posted by: Bob at December 5, 2006 9:19 PMLiz J you are correct, does that not make Dion's commitment to Canada more questionable?
Posted by: Bruce Randall at December 5, 2006 9:36 PMSo, Boob, what if Stephen arper were a dual Canada/US citizen?
Would you stick to your (hemp) guns?
No, like most Bolshevik leftists, you have no principles, only enemies you want eliminated.
Posted by: Doug at December 5, 2006 9:36 PM"I'll tell you what liberal isn't: conservative."
Thank gawd for that, I don't think my wallet could take it.
Posted by: multirec at December 5, 2006 9:38 PMEzra is correct in his op-ed. Bob, the study of classical liberalism and its meaning is not just for 20 somethings. It is what conservativism stands for. By the tone of your condescension you would do well to study Ludwig Von Mises.
www.mises.org
I'm loving this as a liberal, you guys are really grasping.
The best you can do?
this wont hurt dion, mark my words.
There will be no national outcry.
You guys just look like youre throwing anyhing you can hoping it will stick.
And in the meantime helping us.
Please keep it up.
Posted by: george at December 5, 2006 9:47 PMShould a citizen of France be Prime Minister of Canada ?
Yes (97) 24%
No (308) 75%
Don't know (6) 1%
Total Votes: 411
...-
Survey at Bourque
Posted by: maz2 at December 5, 2006 9:52 PMMark Tewksbury called PM Harper a "redneck" live on national tv at the liberal convention. No liberals seemed to have a problem with that. Imagine the outcry if the conservatives got somebody to go on live tv at one of their conventions and call Dion a "frog"? Is that not a bit of a double standard?
Posted by: TJ at December 5, 2006 9:52 PMWait just a minute. Unlike all those sweaty-balled, third world dictatorships that are constantly wrapped up in internecine tribal warfare... patriotism and citizenship are cornerstone values of Canadian society. Or has that changed as well?
Stephane Dion says it's not worth talking about.
Posted by: neo at December 5, 2006 9:53 PMDidn't Conrad Black renounce his Canadian Citizenship because he wanted to enter the British House of Lords but Chretien wouldn't allow it, even as a dual citizen? This led to Black selling his Canadian papers because a foreigner could not have majority control. This led to the liberal Aspers taking control of the then conservative National Post and most of the good writers such as Mark Steyn leaving. This led to most Canadian conservative readers going through major intellectual withdrawal until SDA came along.
So why can't Conrad Black be a dual citizen of Canada and mother Britian while being in the British House of Lords yet Monsieur Dion can be Canada's PM as well as a citizen of France?
Posted by: Fritz at December 5, 2006 9:54 PMWhen will Dion not only give up his French citizenship but also admit he did not write the clarity act. Manning and Harper did. Liberals stole that along with all our money. Why can Dion get away, as did Martin, with saying I know nothing, re Adscam, but they are outraged that the head of the RCMP says he knew nothing. If he resigns, wait for the tell all book, to come just before the next election. See Danny Williams is having his own money scandal in NFLD. No wonder he needs more money, his people stole from the taxpayer. Then we have the Childrens Aid theft in Ont., and AADAC theft from Alberta. Also an official with gaming in Alberta stole 75,000. from bingo and casino profits.
Posted by: maryT at December 5, 2006 10:08 PMForgot about that football player and his theft of over 300,000. Isn't anyone watching the henhouse with all those Foxes in charge.
Posted by: maryT at December 5, 2006 10:10 PMThe bottom line is why does Mr. Dion need French citizenship? Is he planning to move to Europe anytime soon? What is he hiding? And is Power Corporation involved yet again?
Unfortunately, Harper can't make an issue out of this because the media will pillory him as a "far-right" "neo-conservative" "anti-French" activist and he is the Prime Minister - so he must appear 'Prime-Ministerial' and beyond reproach. But this is fair game that the media and particularly Layton(who stands to gain seats on the issue) should be hounding him about.
Posted by: Ace at December 5, 2006 10:16 PMMaybe Quebecs plan is to become part of France once they separate. This way Dion already has his citizenship ready.
Posted by: TJ at December 5, 2006 10:20 PMPlease don't insult our new Dauphin ... long live Dion.
Posted by: ural at December 5, 2006 10:27 PMWhich MSM journalist will ask the Question they were so eager to ask Harper back at the last election.
"Hey Stephane, do you love Canada?"
My guess it will NEVER happen!
Posted by: Joe Molnar at December 5, 2006 10:29 PMCanoe poll :who would make best PM: 1384 votes
Harper 59%
Dion 17%
Layton (like that would ever happen) 6 %
None of above 17%..(same as Dion)
wondering tonite,about the big Ontario Childrens Aid rip-off,all the stolen money that should have gone to needy kids.Why isn't that front and center,instead of every twisted word out of Dion's mouth.Hmmm,cover-up?Another Gov't agency screwing up big time.Also Ont.Hydro rip-off,$8000,for leather jacket? Company credit card abuse etc.(see G&M comments),but Libs continue to make excuses.C'mon Steve..clean it all up,open up the books on any and all Gov't agencies.I'm sure there is another huge scandal just below surface,that Cons.are saving to drag out before election.I hope so!
Why hang onto this French citizenship? Good question. One would only want it if to fall back on. France is well-known as a republic that has yet to truly acknowledge that it has had to relinquish control of its former colonies. They continue to meddle in the affairs of their former colonies much like they did in Quebec when the FLQ crisis was ablaze. Makes one wonder if Dion is a fifth columnist for the Gaullist regime...like P.E.T.
Posted by: "Biff" at December 5, 2006 10:48 PMWhich MSM journalist will ask the Question they were so eager to ask Harper back at the last election.
"Hey Stephane, do you love Canada?"
My guess it will NEVER happen!
Posted by: Joe Molnar at December 5, 2006 10:29 PM
Shouldn't it be the very one who asked this of Harper in the last campaign? Where is this person hiding? Why aren't they asking that question of Dion?
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at December 5, 2006 10:49 PM
This issue is my pet peeve. If Dion becomes Prime Minister with dual citizenship he cannot possibly have his complete loyalty to Canada. If this is allowed then who is next and where will their allegiances be. Now, you cannot call me a bigot because I also have dual citizenship and it is not right that someone in this powerful position is not just plain Canadian. It's damn well dangerous. Let your imagine go on this one.
France is not a friend to Canada and has not been for almost as many years as I've been alive and that's a long time. Look around and see how many other nations are represented in our House of Commons. Scary eh.......
Posted by: jypsy ontario at December 5, 2006 10:54 PMOn the topic of dual citizenship
I believe Ted Morton is a dual U.S/Canadian citizen. Should this impact which portfolio he is likely be offered? At least Dion is addressing this publicly and the background is coming forth.
I don't think we should have a Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs who is a dual citizen, yet it could happen.
Posted by: calgary clipper at December 5, 2006 10:59 PMThanks for the laugh Bob, best I've had in a while.
Posted by: BBSq at December 5, 2006 11:06 PMBob and George have no real connection with reality. That Dion will not give up his French citizenship is just what the doctor ordered as far as PMSH and the Conservative Party is concerned. This is just the issue that could propel the Conservative Party to a majority government. Plain and simple - Canadians will not accept a citizen of France as their Prime Minister. The Conservatives are going to have a hay day on this matter. I cannot believe that a party with the history of political successes that the Liberals have enjoyed over the years are going to stand by and do nothing about Dion's dual citizenship.
Either he drops the French citizenship or the Liberals will loose big time. Mark my words. What utter rubbish that Dion's loyalty is "100% Canadian first". It should be "100% Canadian and ONLY Canadian". Until he does that he and his party are dead in the water.
Posted by: a different Bob at December 5, 2006 11:13 PMYou can't tell me that Harper being a Leafs fan isn't more serious a problem to Westerners than Dion maintaining citizenship of France is to Canadians. And the former doesn't appear to be a problem, does it?
And, finally, Conservatives totally rock at winning polls on the internets. OMG!! LOL!!
Posted by: Crabgrass at December 5, 2006 11:16 PMRegardless of all previous posts there is no circumstance that any Canadian in English speaking Canada will support a Prime Ministerial Candidate that has sworn allegiance to France. (The term English Speaking Canada is a deference to linguistic actuality not ethnic racist actuality.) I shall FIGHT, literally to the death, anyone who quibbles.
Crabgrass,
I hate to point out the obvious (actually I savour it like fine wine), but
Conservatives kinda won a REAL poll too - it was called the FEDERAL ELECTION.
"OMG!!LOL!"
Posted by: mitch at December 5, 2006 11:46 PMMitch, if you're content with that victory, we can in fact all be happy.
Posted by: Crabgrass at December 6, 2006 12:09 AMWhat Dion does not realize is that even though HE knows he is 100% Canadian, his French citizenship simply makes many people uncomfortable. I think it has to do with public figures not just having to be without a conflict of interest, but needing also to "appear" to have no conflict of interest. To some people this simply looks like a potential conflict of interest. Being only Canadian is also an important symbol. I don't mind so much about dual citizenship among Cabinet Ministers, etc., but a Prime Minister I think need to be only Canadian.
Posted by: Linda at December 6, 2006 12:19 AMLay off the dual citizenship question until the election. Don't give the libs any reason to make him publically renounce his french citizenship. Pretend it doesn't matter, then spring it on him.
Reading the comments in the g&m re dion. A lot of hatred for Alberta in Que and Ont. They are all voting lib because of him, claim he has got rid of the sleaze. And there is Volpe sitting in the front row. Masse appointed as his campaign manager. JC pulling the strings. Can't wait for the english debate, being translated for english viewers. Harper did well in the French debate.
Reminds me of years ago when it was said a dog could run as social credit and win. My sons friend had a St Bernard dog called Sam. You guessed, my son and a couple of others got nomination papers and supporters and Sam Bernard was put on the ballot as a social credit independant. They went all out, put up posters, and lawn signs, VOTE SAM. Everyone wondered who Sam was, where was he from etc. You should have seen the faces and heard the laughs when Sam appeared at the debate. Hey, Sam got 10% of the vote. Reminds me of liberals.
And yes, I did sign Sams nomination papers. Who says no to your kids. None of the kids could vote, were in grade 10, and got all the highschool students involved. They kept the secret. I thought they would all run for the Rhino party someday, but it folded. Bring it back.
Posted by: maryT at December 6, 2006 12:47 AMMel - he does not have a "sworn allegience" to France - he is a citizen by accident of birth - his mother is French. Not quite the same thing as someone who seeks citizenship in another country.
Here's a question - how many of you will vote for Dion if he renounces his French citizenship?
That is what I thought. The only place this is an issue is on the blogging tories, and none of you will vote for him anyway. The rest of us will base our votes on the real issues.
What a silly tempest in a teapot ! My first reaction to Ezra's piece in the Sun was to wonder if he's losing it.
So Dion's mother was French. So what? We don't select our parents and, even if we could, I seriously doubt that Dion had prenatal political ambitions.
I asked Ezra the question, over at Shotgun, if he had bothered to check French law to see if Dion even has the ability to renounce his birthright. No response, of course. Lots of counties don't recognize a right of renunciation. Does France? It was easy for the G.G. to renounce hers because it wasn't a birthright - just a form status acquired by marriage.
Anyway,I don't give a flying **** if the man is a dual citizen of France, Kazahkstan or Ooga Booga. He has amply demonstrated, in the last few years, that he has a stronger attachment to Canada than a lot of us Westerners.
Instead of making ourselves look like fools by taking cheap shots about trivia, I suggest that conservatives should be taking a hard look at serious matters - like his Suzukian stand on Kyoto or the fact that, sitting at the cabinet table for a decade, he was oblivious to the fact that Liberals in Quebec were making out like bandits.
My Dad was born in North Dakota. I have a daughter born in Australia and two grandsons born in Texas. With so much national impurity in my immediate clan, I suppose that, in Ezra's view, I'm a potential fifth columnist. Barf, barf, barf.
(Now my stomach feels better.)
What a silly tempest in a teapot ! My first reaction to Ezra's piece in the Sun was to wonder if he's losing it.
So Dion's mother was French. So what? We don't select our parents and, even if we could, I seriously doubt that Dion had prenatal political ambitions.
I asked Ezra the question, over at Shotgun, if he had bothered to check French law to see if Dion even has the ability to renounce his birthright. No response, of course. Lots of counties don't recognize a right of renunciation. Does France? It was easy for the G.G. to renounce hers because it wasn't a birthright - just a form status acquired by marriage.
Anyway,I don't give a flying **** if the man is a dual citizen of France, Kazahkstan or Ooga Booga. He has amply demonstrated, in the last few years, that he has a stronger attachment to Canada than a lot of us Westerners.
Instead of making ourselves look like fools by taking cheap shots about trivia, I suggest that conservatives should be taking a hard look at serious matters - like his Suzukian stand on Kyoto or the fact that, sitting at the cabinet table for a decade, he was oblivious to the fact that Liberals in Quebec were making out like bandits.
My Dad was born in North Dakota. I have a daughter born in Australia and two grandsons born in Texas. With so much national impurity in my immediate clan, I suppose that, in Ezra's view, I'm a potential fifth columnist. Barf, barf, barf.
(Now my stomach feels better.)
Lots of COUNTRIES don't recognize the right of renunciation. Sorry about that.
Posted by: Zog at December 6, 2006 1:44 AMShould a citizen of France be Prime Minister of Canada ?
Yes (391) 23%
No (1271) 75%
Don't know (26) 2%
Total Votes: 1688
Bourque survey
I wonder what the french reaction would be if a person holding french and canadian citizenship vied for the office of president?? would it even be allowed ???
No Gayle, it's not just Blogging Tories who have concerns with this, several Liberals and NDP members are concerned as well.
At this point it could be an issue for him at any time in this minority government. If a snap election gets called it could become quite the nightmare for him and the Liberals.
As a Conservative I say if he can't decide on the matter he has the option of letting the people decide in the next election.
Dion was the "Unity Minister" for AdScam Chretien.
Do Canadians want Dion as Prime Minister?
Could a Prime Minister with divided loyalties unify a country?
Dion has loyalty to two countries: France and Canada. Dion is conflicted in his loyalties.
Dion has quantified his loyalty to Canada: 100%.
Has Dion quantified his loyalty to France?
Is Dion's loyalty to France 100%.
Canadians need to know whether Dion has the
wisdom and courage
to guide Canada through the next unity challenge.
Canadian troops are dying in Afghanistan for Canada and Canadians.
Wisdom, courage, loyalty to Canada: sealed by their blood.
...-
"Decline of the Grit empire
Gone are the glory days. The only way back for the Liberals is to rise to the unity challenge.
.....
"Of course, as partisans, Liberals will ask
themselves today the fundamental political question:
Who can win an early election?
The more fundamental questions should be:
Who has the courage and wisdom to guide the party
and perhaps the country through the next unity challenge,
and who can rebuild the party in Quebec,
without which the Liberals cannot conceivably form a majority government?" ...-
Jeffrey Simpson
http://dynamitearchives.blogspot.com/
maz2:
This is ridiculous;
I do however think
it's important
that people
be tired of
this French citizenship meme
before the next
election.
Posted by: Crabgrass at December 6, 2006 8:03 AMBourque news.
Headline:
Dion Snaps Over Giving Up France
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost
Belinda says this is an issue (Dion citizenship),on National News last eve,so it MUST be so!She is the new go-to brain-trust for Lib party isn't she?? Read article in Nat.Post re same(link thru Bourque)When Dion questioned by reporters,he "snapped",said,"end of story",and that he doesn't appreciate being asked,and for reporters to "move on".Also said it would be "impossible"to give up Fr.citizenship.Hey,the Bloc support him in retaining it tho! Now,if PMSH talked to reporters in this dismissive manner,imagine the uproar.Oh yeah,that already happened..yet,o.k.for Dion to dismiss them,and their questions.
Posted by: Sammy at December 6, 2006 8:45 AMNo brainer for Dion. Give up the French citizenship. End of controversy.
Posted by: Spinks at December 6, 2006 8:57 AMStephane Dion has both Canadian & French citizenship and says "I think it is part of who I am -- my loyalty for Canada is 100%".
Would you support a Prime Minister with dual citizenship?
Yes
12.3%
No
87.4%
Other (email mornings@cfra.com)
0.21%
Total Votes: 941
cfra.com (Ottawa)
I think it is excellent that Mr.Dion holds citizenship in another country, not because I support him, but by keeping his french passport he shows his true colors...(tricolors?) and becomes a bigger target in the forest. I hope this controversy holds to the next election.
Should a citizen of France be the next PM of Canada? of course not... and this is why Mr.Dion should hold onto his 2 passports... hey why not 3?
Posted by: marc in calgary at December 6, 2006 9:35 AMMr.Dion is finished.
Even before he started.
Done.....
Who can stop Harper now?
Jacko?
nobody ....thanks Mr. Dion.
I hope Ezra and the rest of you question the loyalty of any future Jewish Prime Minister based on their right to return. I am surprised you haven't questioned whether Catholic PMs are more loyal to Rome than to Ottawa.
It's a little much to question the loyalty of a man who has been the clearest voice for a united Canada in the last 10 years because his mother is French. I sure hope this isn't the best you guys have.
Posted by: Peter at December 6, 2006 10:15 AMCatholic PMs are loyal to Quebec and Quebec only.
Trudeau, Chretain, Martin to name a few. Remember, Dion was elected 6 month after the referendum, and the liberals stole private members bill C341 and called it their own. This bill was given 1st reading in the House of Commons and blasted by JC. Had it been allowed to pass, there is the possibility there never would have been a que vote. Who authored C341-Manning and Harper. Check it out. It is in the records no matter how the public wants to believe Dion wrote it. The fact Dion and the liberals stole this will become common knowledge before the next election, and quebecers will know that again the liberals lied and stole for their vote.
So "Step On Schlong" wants to remain a citizen of Fwance and Canada at the same time. Great... what's next Howard Dean being appointed Step On's campaign manager?
Posted by: bullwinkle at December 6, 2006 10:27 AMThe real issue here is not Dions dual citizenship to France and Canada (a point I personally do not agree with either), the real issue , as I see it, is the Stephan Dion was in the inner circle of both the Chretien and Martin administrations. That makes him culpable in all the lack of initiatives from both..lack of Kyoto initiatives...lack of child care plan.....lack of ethics....NO lack of plain envelopes stuffed with taxpayers cash....need I go on?
Posted by: odie441 at December 6, 2006 10:32 AMLet's get this straightened out: Mr Dion DID NOT WRITE THE CLARITY ACT! HARPER AND MANNING DID - END OF STORY!
Mr Dion is a plagiarist - something the MSM should know a lot about - ask a few of them about it! I am sick and tired of the lies propagated on this issue - by the same MSM who do not seem to know how to get the "real story". Mr Dion seems to have a temper tantrum when asked of his loyalty. If French citizenship was of "no importance" to him, then he (in the political sense) should renounce it, without any tears. His reaction tells me otherwise - and I certainly will NOT VOTE LIBERAL in the next election, or any others following, if he is still the leader of the Liberal party and maintaining his French citizenship. One has to appear to have no conflict of interest, to be sucessful in the position he aspires to. As a politician, he should know that. Conservatives should grind the Liberals into the dust on this issue. We don't need any other appearances of a conflict of interest from the Liberals, we have suffered from their arrogance and sticky fingers for too danmed long. GET OVER IT LIBERALS - you are branded as CROOKS over ADSCAM. To continue along THAT vein after Gomery is pure, unadulterated stupidity - not even arrogance!
Posted by: ancientvikingwarrior at December 6, 2006 10:51 AMIf Harper was a U.S. dual, the outcry from the MSM and the other political parties would be deafening...that is an obvious. However, I do agree with odie441 that the real issue is the horrendous record of the Libs for the previous 13 years. The rot, inaction and arrogance are so ingrained in this party and Dion will be the constant reminder.
Isn't just amazing that Duceppe don't have a problem with Dioons citizenship, He don't give a royal about Canada so why would he care about that.
New liberal slogan should be:
Do as I say Not as I Do
What i also find amazing is that there are i believe 41 MP's holding dual citizenship.
"the clearest voice for a united Canada"
That would be the one who is pledging to spread the French language throughout the nation.... but is silent on promoting English in Quebec.
Posted by: Kate at December 6, 2006 11:22 AMThis is far from trivial, as leftists on this thread are trying to make it seem.
The optics are glaring.
For Dion, the damage is already done. It wouldn't even matter if he gave up his French citizenship at this point - it would simply draw more attention to it, as well as questions. ie. If it's not such a big deal why didn't you give it up before? Or, why did you so stubornly hold onto to it?
It'll even draw more attention to his achilles heel - he can't communicate in English very well.
And, of course his loyalty should be questioned, he's attempting to become the CEO of Canada. To that end, everything should be questioned.
Posted by: irwin daisy at December 6, 2006 11:27 AMLook out Kate! Here comes the French language! Quelle horreur!
Can someone explain to me what is better evidence of loyalty to Canada: introducing the Clarity Act (even if Mr Harper rightly championed an earlier version of it) against the public outcries and private humiliations visited on Dion in Quebec or renouncing a birthright which he may not even be able to renounce? Standing up for Canada for 11 years or burning a passport he doesn't have? Nothing would please you people, I think, because this isn't about loyalty. It's about a smear.
Second, can anyone tell me whether they think that a future Jewish PM should give up her right to return?
Third, where do you all stand on Vic Toews "dual allegiance"? What of Ted Morton's?
Fourth, can someone explain to me how the Clarity Act is just a simple plagiarism of the Quebec Contingency Act of 1996 when it actually relies heavily on the Supreme Court reference of 1998?
Finally, am I the only one who finds it rich to listen to criticisms of Dion's English from Anglophones whose grammar and spelling in English are worse than Dion's?
Posted by: Peter at December 6, 2006 11:46 AMPeter, si Ted Morton voulait aller bien au premier ministre du Canada, il devrait renoncer à son citoyenneté américaine. Un cowboy ne peut pas monter deux chevaux allant dans différentes directions.
Posted by: Ed Minchau at December 6, 2006 12:11 PMRemember back when Ralph wrote a paper and it was discovered he plagerized it. What outrage across Canada. Well Dion and the liberals plagerized C341.
If Dion does renounce his french citizenship, he will be accused of caving. If he doesn't he will be accused of not being loyal to canada. But, liberals have never been loyal to Canada, just to the liberal party. Step on, (like that) says he is 100% loyal to Canada first. Who is he loyal to second. He also says he is loyal to his country, what country. How did those smart liberals let this guy get this far, unless they thought the msm would cover for him. Too bad, they forgot the blogs. The blogs will kill the msm in the coming election. What bombshells will Zac drop before or after he is finished. Iggy choked when saying they would win votes in al-----ber-----ta. Dion will choke on saying Canada. The damage is done. When english is allowed in Que, and the language police disbanded, maybe I will start to respect that province and the people leading it.
"It's about a smear."
Than there is nothing to worry about Peter, don't get your pantaloons all tres bunchie.
Just keep mumbling "end of the story" and dismissivly flick your hand all the way to the Priminister's office.
Running a Quebec professor of socialism twice as french as any other candidate in the next election should be a great strategy.
Stick to your properly registered and legally stored guns.
If Canada's election doesn't work out so well for double dealing Dion, than there's always his other country of origin.
Dion's citizenship is an issue. The issue is why? We know how he came to have it, but we do not know why he continues to want to hold it. Why would one who aspires to be the Prime Minister of Canada want to hold the citizenship of any other country, let alone one that has in the past meddled, unhelpfully, in the national unity issue.
Posted by: Jan at December 6, 2006 1:02 PMDion has caved, he will allow a free vote of his caucus on SSM. I am fed up with all his press conferences being translated, and all questions are translated to french before he answers them. This will be his undoing in the majority of Canada. Sort of like those posting here in french, he will be ignored.
Posted by: maryT at December 6, 2006 1:20 PMCitizens. Of three nations. In our PMO. Believe it.
Posted by: shaken at December 6, 2006 1:38 PMWho was our Jewish PM. As for the others mentioned, they are not trying to become the Prime Minister of Canada. The leftist liberal kooks defending dion are beyond belief. Those who use wrong spelling and grammar in their posts are not speaking on national TV, trying to impress Cdns with how smart or capable they are. Soon, I hope, the msm reporterettes will tire of being insulted by him when they ask questions. It was said he had a bad temper, and in less than a week he has shown it. Eventually it will get the best of him and canadians will see what a poor choice he would be to lead canada. The best thing about all this is that it is showing the bias of the CBC and CTV and GLOBAL. Many of us remember the crap they said about Harper and Manning and their french skills. Even belittled that darling BS. We will continue to bring up every example of their bias, from Mannings geeky look, to ridiculing him when he had a makeover. Dion is walking in very dangerous shoes.
Posted by: maryT at December 6, 2006 1:44 PMThe important question is, Ow's ee look ina vest ?
Posted by: richfisher at December 6, 2006 1:55 PMHarper dropped a bombshell in ? period, Zac has resigned and his resignation has been accepted. Liberal caught with questions re who knew what and when. Ask those questions of liberals re adscam. Who knew what and when. Maybe Zac will finally let the cat out of the bag.
Posted by: maryT at December 6, 2006 2:32 PMHas Harper commented on this?
Posted by: Gayle at December 6, 2006 3:29 PMLevant::Bull’s-eye on our backs | December 6th, 2006
While the nation’s eyes were on AdScam, federal Environment Minister Stephane Dion quietly made an announcement about the Kyoto Protocol.
Quebec, he promised, will only have to bear 7% of Canada’s pain to implement the pact.
Quebec makes up 24% of Canada’s population, but it is guaranteed 33% of the seats on the Supreme Court. Quebec receives 45% of Canada’s equalization payments. Fully 62% of the Liberal MPs from Quebec are cabinet ministers or parliamentary secretaries. The Canadian prime minister has come from Quebec for 96% of the last 37 years and 100% of the last 12 years.
But when it comes to lifting the load, well that’s another story. That’s why Dion announced — in Quebec and in French of course — that Alberta and Saskatchewan would be picking up most of the tab on Kyoto.
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H/T: “Frosty” (and there’s lots more)…
o Note: When I read something like this it makes me angry. It’s so unfair and it’s far past time to rectify the situation. My father years ago said “Let them go.” I disagreed then but I’m having second thoughts now, more along the lines of “Boot them out!” If indeed Dion said those words to Quebeckers he is far more dangerous that I ever imagined to my way of life and frankly, I wouldn’t miss Quebec. Would you?
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jack's newswatch
Well Kate, this post has really brought out some low-wattage intellectual opinion. The kind of stuff that leaves us wide open to the moonbats.
Embarrassing.
I'm no big fan of either Dion or the Liberals but the comments I've been reading here do very little for the Conservative cause.
And the dual citizenship thing is truly a red herring; surely folks are not so thick as to honestly believe a Canadian who happens to have French citizenship will simply become some sort of high-placed stooge for the Palais de l'Élysée once he becomes PM? Pull my other leg.
Has it occurred to anyone that it does not really matter whether Dion is a French citizen?
What matters is that he's a Canadian citizen - and as PM would thus be entirely subject to Canadian legal strictures in terms of loyalty and national security.
Oh, and "maryT's" vituperative comment about Catholic PMs just left me gobsmacked. Come off it.
Posted by: JJM at December 6, 2006 6:04 PMMaz2-no I would not miss quebec. I would not miss all those mps who don't speak english. I would not miss no bilinugalism in Alberta. I would not miss most telemarketers calling in their french accent. I would especially not miss those idiots in que who spit Albertans in the face. Dion lost a lot of potential votes in the west today with his stmt re the CWB. To get a majority dion needs to pick up 51 seats plus hold all he has. Those 24 in AB and 14 in Sask would look nice to him. Him wanting to defend the CWB, when Trudeau said Why should I sell your wheat. We remember things like that. Wonder if farmers in que, ont and the maritimes would do if they were forced to become members of the canadian wheat board. Our farmers want the same rights as those farmers. After all, cupe union members have to get the same benefits all across canada. Would they accept 30% less because they work in AB or Sask.
Liz - interesting that some NDP MP's are talking about it - haven't heard anything from Liberal MP's so do not know what you mean there (unless you refer to Stronach's apparent comment that it will be an "issue", which is not the same thing as condemning it and demanding he renounce his citizenship). Resounding silence from Harper and the conservatives though... Perhaps this is because several conservative MP's hold dual citizenship.
Though there is a distinction between an MP and a PM, at the end of the day they both are sworn to represent the interests of Canadians, both at home and abroad. If you take this position with Dion, you must be consistent and at least agree that no MP with dual citizenship can sit in Cabinet, nor can they sit on any committee that deals, even remotely, with international issues. This will of course severly curtail the career aspirations of many MP's, but we do need to be consistent and apply our standards equally.
You know, there are some real issues upon which the conservatives can attack Dion. Harper is a smart man - my guess is he will concentrate on those.
I think JJM and Gayle are Liberano$$$$$. You can tell by the way they write, plus the look of their noses.
Posted by: Peter at December 6, 2006 8:46 PMMaybe Stephane is a closet islamist.
In that case, a french passport would come in mighty handy, eh? Save a bit of time in the long run, really.
Posted by: amused at December 6, 2006 9:04 PMOh Peter - and here I was thinking it was our articulate and well reasoned posts that gave us away. I should have known it would have been the nose...:).
Posted by: Gayle at December 6, 2006 10:55 PM"Sort of like those posting here in french, he will be ignored."
MaryT, here is what I wrote, in English:
"Peter, If Ted Morton wanted to become the Prime Minister of Canada, he would have to renounce his American citizenship. A cowboy can not ride two horses going in different directions."
I wrote it in French because I'm a smartass.
Posted by: Ed Minchau at December 7, 2006 2:05 AMDion: French citizen hopes to be the first foreign Prime Minister of Canada.
Dion: Canadian citizen hopes to be the first foreign President of France (Napoleon, the Corsican Corporal, was Emperor).
As Dion has said: Impossible/Impossible.
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Dion’s insult — to France
National Post, Canada - 14 hours ago
Some will say, now that Stéphane Dion’s possession of dual Canadian-French citizenship has been brought up in such timely fashion, that Mr. Dion should ...
But actually there is another party with an even more significant cause for concern and vexation: France itself. ...
. But look at the matter from the perspective of France. If Canada really has 100% of Dion’s loyalty, how much is left for his other country? [France] The math is not difficult.
[It's been done here at SDA: answer is zero/l'oeuf = 0%] ...
It’s insulting and hypocritical for the opposition leader to insist upon his right to enter France, live and work there, partake of its public services, and seek the protection of its laws — but to directly imply, on the other hand, that he feels no special attachment to it, is not required to consider its interests, and will not defend it.
The sad fact is that it probably didn’t even occur to Mr. Dion that there was a contradiction here. ...- (national post)
Posted by: maz2 at December 7, 2006 9:39 AMChop...chop...the axes fall....
Gumdrops
Heads are rolling this morning at Liberal Party headquarters. National Director Steve Mackinnon has resigned. It remains unclear whether Kim Doran, currently Director of Organization, or John Arnold, the Director of Finance, will also fall to the purge. Names on the short-list to replace Mackinnon include ex-PMO'er Brian Guest, Dion campaign manager Mark Marrissen, and former party director George Young. Benefits to the lucky appointee include the opportunity to bend elbows with Don Newman and Jane Taber in the martini bar at Hy's. Developing. ...-
Bourque
I'm just listening to Dion in QP this morning (afternoon). Boy it sure would be nice to have another Prime Minister that is impossible to understand. The only way to understand this guy is if he speaks in French and has a translator.
Also helpful would be a translator to go from Dion's socialism to realism.
eg: "we will re-instate the CWB" = "we will not surrender the governments right to have a pool of jobs where we can appoint patronage positions and a pool of money that we can pull cash out of secretly"
Posted by: johnboy at December 7, 2006 2:23 PMCoyne to Dion: Choose your country;
Canada or France?
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What does 'citizen' mean?
Andrew Coyne, National Post
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But even in this country, we understand that it is necessary sometimes to choose. It is unlikely, as others have pointed out,
that Mr. Dion could have been elected leader of the Liberal party were he also a member of the NDP.
Can it be otherwise for the leader of the country,
that he should also be a citizen of another?
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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columnists/
Let me get this straight. If Dion keeps his dual citizenship, he loses maz's vote, and if he continues to be from Québec, he's losing MaryT as well. This can't be good.
Posted by: Crabgrass at December 7, 2006 11:24 PMcrabgrass, dion never had my vote to lose.
Posted by: maryT at December 8, 2006 9:19 PMMary - I think that was the point.
Posted by: Gayle at December 9, 2006 2:22 AM