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November 14, 2006

Garth Turner Unedited (bumped with update)

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Nov. 14 Update - Turner Holds News Conference - CTV has the transcript of his remarks;

Maverick MP Garth Turner said Tuesday that he is resigning from the Conservative party after being told he would not be permitted to seek a Tory nomination again.

"Me me me me, me me me me me me, me me me me me and me me me me me," Turner announced, adding, "Me me me, me me me me me. Thankme."


BBS has analysis.

Posted by Kate at November 14, 2006 3:59 PM
Comments

Hilarious..and dead on!I used to have some respect for Turner,and would check out the blog frequently,but it has recently been "all me,all the time",and a pity-party for one.Talk about an egotistical,spoiled brat,and it is truly getting tiresome.You really nailed it with this post!

Posted by: Sammy at November 13, 2006 10:47 AM

You mean you actually went to the spoiled little boy's website? I gave up on the whiner when he was crying over not getting a cabinet post. Looks like the right call was made there.

Posted by: the bear at November 13, 2006 11:03 AM

You may have missed...

"Now that I'm kicked out Steve is a poo-poo head".

Although there is the "More Me" link...it's probably there 5 or 6 or 20 times.

Posted by: Kitchener Conservative at November 13, 2006 11:24 AM

Go quickly, make haste, click over to Garth Who?'s site.

Garth bares his partisanship; it's pure, pristine, unadulerated egoism.

Me-My-I has an extended entry entitled:

"my partisan nakedness" [sic]

...-

Posted by: maz2 at November 13, 2006 11:25 AM

Maybe Garth and Ignatieff could form a party based on common interests.

Ignatieff, putting the "I" back in politics

Posted by: Stephen at November 13, 2006 11:29 AM

I have taken to reading blogs from those opposition positions for a bit, to see how far apart on issues we can be.

I have followed Turner's blog to see what the fuss-up was all about.

I might never understand the opposition folks, but with Turner, oh my gosh...trust is such a bear to get back!

Impossible I'd offer, at the team player level he demands.

Posted by: Buffalo Bean at November 13, 2006 11:30 AM

As usual Kate - Right on!!!

Posted by: Albertagirl at November 13, 2006 11:31 AM

deleted - off topic -Ed.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at November 13, 2006 11:43 AM

you should here him when he stands in front of a mirror . . . :)

Posted by: Fred at November 13, 2006 11:52 AM

Oh, me, oh, my...

Geez... this dude craves attention as does Elton John, doesn't he?

Why doesn't he go to the Liebrano$$$? I'm sure they'd be very tolerant of his independence and penchant for saying whatever he wants about whatever and whomever he wants. Imagine the things he'd expose about the Liebrano$$$...

So the Liebrano$$$ can have Garthie! Hope they let him in... he's a helluva Trojan Horse...

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at November 13, 2006 11:54 AM

300 words
I's take a comanding lead 14 to 7 over my's. Me's trailing far behind with only 2.

Posted by: Cal at November 13, 2006 12:12 PM

lol.

Posted by: Bob at November 13, 2006 12:17 PM

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1163371809363&call_pageid=970599119419

Looks like Garth's feeling a little left out again

Posted by: paulsstuff at November 13, 2006 12:32 PM

Garth Turner is a joke, he should join the circus.

Posted by: JDot at November 13, 2006 12:47 PM

Garth Turner is such a clown. All that's missing is the clown getup.

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at November 13, 2006 12:59 PM

Turner really is a joke, however, he' just one minor avalanche falling of the conservative iceberg.

I wonder how many other righties will fall into the icy waters of Canadian independent politics as CPC popularity thaws.

Posted by: David Brown at November 13, 2006 12:59 PM

I wanna talk about me, wanna talk about I, wanna talk about #1, oh my me my!
Toby Keith could have written that for garth.

Posted by: Polly at November 13, 2006 1:05 PM

Can't say I exactly understand. Isn't the purpose of a blog to write about oneself, or one's opinions?

Posted by: Eugene Chan at November 13, 2006 1:13 PM

I would put this post in the pre-emptive innoculation category. Pillory the messenger before the message gets out. It can be effective and it's smart, get the focus on the messenger and maybe it will keep the focus off the message or at least water it down.

Of course, Garth is all about Garth. He was before he ran and was cheered for by all of the naysayers up above and he is after.

He hasn't gone all out against Harper either, but probably equal doses for and against, just as he did before. He's certainly not a kool-aid drinking, talking points regurgitating conservative, that's for sure.

And now he has, or promises, something big. And obviously that has a lot of Conservative-supporters quite nervous.

As I've said, I think you may find that Garth on a weak leash is better than Garth on no leash at all.

Ted
Cerberus

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 1:21 PM

The Garth is The Garth.

Posted by: Philanthropist at November 13, 2006 1:25 PM

Eugene: Absolutely---and in doing so, it reveals the thoughts, opinions and ideas that swarm in a particular blogger's mind. Seeing that Garth Turner holds (held) an important position, I find it very informative to read these thoughts, opinions and ideas. It is certainly helpful in seeing where he stands on a variety of issues. But a blogger understands, or should understand, what he or she writes down and sends out to the world is open to public scrutiny. Otherwise, go out and buy a journal and a pen, write your thoughts and ideas down there and tuck them under your pillow.

Posted by: him at November 13, 2006 1:27 PM

RE: Turner mused, -In my partisan nakedness these days, I'm feeling pretty damn good . . .

That almost sounds like a Liberal hint. lol

IMO, one thing Canada really needs to reduce Garth, is emissions from cheesy, naked Liberal politicians.

Posted by: concrete at November 13, 2006 1:29 PM

I challenged Garth Turner over at his own blog. If this hasn't been about him all along, then prove it. Resign your seat and run in a by-election, which is precisely what you demanded of David Emerson when he went to another party. If Garth Turner does that, then all the critics will have been proven wrong. If he doesn't, then Kate's characterization is pretty much bang-on.

I see the media already salivating over Turner. They haven't mentioned the potential hypocrisy of not resigning his seat if he chooses to go Green. I hope some of them start doing their jobs. I'm not sure if I should start holding my breath, though.

Posted by: Dennis S.T. at November 13, 2006 1:30 PM

Ted wrote: "I would put this post in the pre-emptive innoculation category"

Well, you're mistaken. I've been thinking about doing this "screenshot" for some weeks now.

When Mr. Attention Seeker popped back into the news today, note that he didn't actually have anything to say. Just a "promise" to reveal something in the future - "... by God, keep your eyes on Garth because ...."

If that isn't classic attention seeking behavior, I don't know what is.

There's nothing special about today. Just Garth "me me me me me" Turner, being his self-absorbed self.

Posted by: Kate at November 13, 2006 1:32 PM

Even Terrell Owens has learned to be a team player these days.

Posted by: Joan Tintor at November 13, 2006 1:32 PM

The folks in Halton actually still like him a fair bit. He was elected to represent Halton.

Harper is who he is. I don't mind him too much. Not my favourite but he's what we have. I gave him a pass in March 2005 on that basis.

I'm not clear on the "secret" Garth revealed, maybe he coded it and will disclose his code on Tuesday. How Scary? An MP talking. To people. In Canada. I'm not making this up.

Posted by: M Hawkins at November 13, 2006 1:37 PM

Do you remember what happened to the Conservatives last time Garth Turner was an MP. In fact, he was Minister of Finance under Kim Campbell.

Because of his immense talents and political acumen the party was reduced to two seats across Canada!!!!

Turner seems like the kiss of death to any political party. I want to start a petition for him to join the Liberals.

Posted by: Shannon at November 13, 2006 2:04 PM

Kate: "Well, you're mistaken. I've been thinking about doing this "screenshot" for some weeks now."

I have no reason to doubt you on your word so I won't.

Kate: "When Mr. Attention Seeker popped back into the news today, note that he didn't actually have anything to say. Just a "promise" to reveal something in the future - "... by God, keep your eyes on Garth because ...." If that isn't classic attention seeking behavior, I don't know what is.
There's nothing special about today. Just Garth "me me me me me" Turner, being his self-absorbed self."

I'm certainly not going to disagree with that truism. Like I said, he is no different now than he was when being cheered for getting back into politics and getting back into government. Only now he's not on the team which for some means he must be against the team.

As for making announcements for he sake of announcements, Mr. Harper has become the master of that despite being the master at criticizing that type of politicking. How many times did he announce there would be an announcement about the environment? The press just eat that up too. Take his press releases and "announcements" and spit them out.

So at least we know Turner comes honestly by his announcements for the sake of getting attention.

Ted
Cerberus

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 2:06 PM

Ted you can take money to the bank that absolutely no conservative is concerned about what Turner is going to do.

There are however some liberals scratching their heads over rumours persisting that Garth is going green. Seems they may be concerned about the Green party getting traction in Ontario and watering down the lib-left base.

Posted by: gimbol at November 13, 2006 2:10 PM

Garth Turner has always been Garth Turner: opinionated and egotistical (among other things). However,he was in trouble (and he knew it) the moment he rightly questioned Harper's ethics and accountability for the cabinet appointments of Emerson and Fortier.

It has now become quite clear that in order to remain in good standing with Harper one must never question The Great Leader or offer one's own opinion. A boot licking sycophant is the only thing he will tolerate; mean spirited pettiness is what you get if you don't kiss his butt. Fortunately, most Canadians can see this and it is reflected by recent polling numbers. I think it says a lot that a leaderless, corrupt party ranks almost as high as the Conservatives.

Stephen Harper and the Conservatives: working for official opposition status.

Posted by: lberia at November 13, 2006 2:17 PM

"Ted you can take money to the bank that absolutely no conservative is concerned about what Turner is going to do."

I'd be broke if I relied on that. Judging from the comments here, the comments Turner gets on his own blog, the three letters Turner mentions in the article, etc. it does indeed seem like a lot of conservative folks are generally concerned about what Turner does.

Ted
Cerberus

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 2:17 PM

Ted,

The only post I see in the "pre-emptive innoculation category" is yours.

Posted by: ural at November 13, 2006 2:22 PM

Well he said he had some "distrubing" news to share.

Perhaps it relates to the letters he received from the PMO. Perhaps he is going to say there was some comfy fur offered, highly doubt that, something about the lack of committment on a green plan, or somehow "The Garth" (trademark) has been offended somehow.

Turner is a Conservative by nature, fiscal at least, but yes he is a bit of a showboater. Cant imagine him in cabinet, he'd be leaking everything everywhere.

Posted by: Stephen at November 13, 2006 2:24 PM

Turner is nothing more and has never been anything more than another old "red tory" weasel obstructionist hiding in the weeds waiting to do what he can to hurt the "real" Conservative cause.

Hint: Real Conservatives are not socialists; never have been...except in Kanada.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2006 2:28 PM

How is Turner a socialist??? I must be missing something..

Posted by: Stephen at November 13, 2006 2:41 PM

Iberia,

Conservative leader is an oxymoron as they don't lead; they dictate. Harper is no different, his caucus is a closed shop filled with loyal boot lickers. You can always tell the ones who question and make suggestions...they're the ones banished to the back pew of the holy church of conservatism.

To stay on topic...

Blogs are all about the individual 'me', witness the head and shoulders pic and the gazing at the unlit tailight of the Japanese bike pics in the left frame of this blog.

Conservatism by it's very own nature is unilateral and only exists as a brief respite when Liberalism goes over the top. Unilateralism is Bush's undoing and will be mini-Bush's failing as well.

Posted by: David Brown at November 13, 2006 2:51 PM

Wow. A blogger talking about himself? Shouldn't he be talking about someone he knows nothing about?

Yeah, you wouldn't want an MP to tell the public who they are, and what they are working on, that's why Solberg shut his blog down.

Posted by: Saskboy at November 13, 2006 2:58 PM

“Fortunately, most Canadians can see this and it is reflected by recent polling numbers. I think it says a lot that a leaderless, corrupt party ranks almost as high as the Conservatives.”

If this is true then it does say a lot.

A lot about the electorate in the “vote rich” areas of Canada and a lot about those that champion a corrupt party.

Posted by: Cal at November 13, 2006 2:58 PM

At least Garth was upfront about the travesty of the Income Trust backflip. Solberg had nothing but weasel words. My own MP, Cummins, hasn't replied to my letter, nor did the various insiders whose blackberry addresses I found on Garth's website.

It's nice to have a voice in Ottawa.

Posted by: kakola at November 13, 2006 3:07 PM

A lot of the comments on Turner's blog oppose him for the same reasons many on this blog provide - his narcissistic focus on himself and his constant assertions that he, alone, is right.

As for your comparison of Turner's pre-announcement that he will make an announcement - with that of Harper's regular pre-announcements, Ted (Cerberus) - this is an invalid comparison. A PM must inform all interested citizens (not just the press) of important issues that will be announced. This enables them to assign some staff members to cover that announcement. That's professionalism.

Turner is not the PM or even a leader of a party. Therefore, he's doing what he's always doing - grandstanding and seeking the limelight.

And, I don't think that 'a lot' of Conservatives are concerned about Turner; there are lots more than the total sum of those on this blog and who posted on Turner's blog. There may be prurient soap-opera interest, which is the only interest he is now able to attract - but, there is no genuine or respectful or intelligent interest. Those are two different types of interest!

Posted by: ET at November 13, 2006 3:10 PM

You said it Kate................

Posted by: OMMAG at November 13, 2006 3:16 PM

I'm going to make a prediction about what Garth Turner is trying to do here.

It looks like he's decided to go Green, yet he needs a reason to distract people from the fact that he won't resign his seat, which is what he asked of Emerson. So he's going to accuse Harper of all kinds of unprecedented measures in kicking him out of caucus, hoping it will give the media enough to chew on without pursuing questions about resigning his own seat.

Knowing how much the media is dependent on Garth Turner as a source of news, real or otherwise, it just might work.

Posted by: Dennis S.T. at November 13, 2006 3:17 PM

Give me a break, ET.

Example: The Conservatives whined about about the lack of a Liberal plan for the environment for over a decade. Yet they really were just using that as a foil and had no plan of their own. After getting elected they were very surprised at just how much Canadians had actually believed them and took them at their word. Pressure mounted last March for some details - any details at all - of this made in canada solution that had been promised for so long. Problem was that they didn't have clue what they wanted to do. Unfortunately, that wasn't a good enough answer to the public.

So what did they do... back in March 2006?

They announced that they would have an announcement about their environmental plan in ... October 2006.

But that is just professionalism, I guess. ET, do you think that that was enough time to "assign some staff members to cover that announcement"?

The press of course even put it on the front page as "news". And these are supposed to be the liberal biased media.

I will grant you that it was different than Turner's announcement. Turner's announcement was intended to generate interest and focus on him and what he had to say. The Conservative announcement (in the case of the environment) was intended to distract everyone's interest and focus on the fact that they had nothing to say.

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 3:21 PM

It's one thing to announce your intentions about policy, it's another to keep announcing your intentions about yourself, which is what Turner is doing here.

Even when the government does it, they give you something: a made-in-Canada plan, use of intensity targets, etc.

Turner? You'll just have to wait for the "disturbing" details. The soap opera continues.

Posted by: Dennis S.T. at November 13, 2006 3:27 PM

david brown- your criticism against 'blogs are about the self' is invalid.

Blogs are the creations of one or a few individuals. In some cases, they permit comments; in other cases they don't. But their agenda is to discuss issues of interest to the blog-owner. So- what's your point? You could equally say that patented inventions are 'about the self' because the patents list the names of the inventors.

How do you know the nature of Harper's caucus? You call them 'loyal boot-lickers'. How do you know this?
Could you define the nature of the Liberal caucus - which kicked Parrish out for disagreeing with Martin, or the NDP, which kicked out a woman (name?) for disagreeing with the PartyLine on SSM? I'm curious how you know enough to define the CPC as 'bootlickers'.

Also- your definition of the Conservatives as 'unilateral'. Could you provide proof of this? I'm sure you realize that your assertion isn't proof.

Also- I'm sure you know that sometimes multilateralism is the correct tactic in coming to a decision -- as in the Softwood agreement which includes both Canadian and US gov'ts and provinces and key industries.

Other times, it's bilateralism - as in the Afghanistan mission, which included the Liberal Party. Or multilateralism, because this is a NATO operation and Canada is a member of NATO.

At other times, it's multilateralism, in their stance against violent crime which is supported by large cities, many citizens, and police - but not by the Liberals or NDP.

At other times, its bilateralism, in the agreement with Quebec to finish Hwy 30- something flung out for years by the Liberals only at election time but never actually agreed on.

At other times, it's bilateral, such as the income trust decision, required because so many of the big companies, such as BCE, were moving to remove their profits from taxation. Rather similar to Martin's moving his shipping company out of reach of Canadian taxes. Taxes, by the way, aren't an evil; they pay for such things as our health care, our roads, our education.

At other times, its unilateralism, such as Harper's courageous insistence at the francophone meeting that criticism by that group of the Lebanese war had to be even handed and not just and only against Israel.

So?


Posted by: ET at November 13, 2006 3:35 PM

Ted - your are 'mixing metaphors'.

Environment is a 'big issue', an emotional utopian issue, for many Canadians. It's filled with lots of misinformation, apocalyptic disaster scenarios and equally, utopian futures When All Will Be Well.

Any gov't therefore has to inform Canadians that they are working on this high-interest and highly publicized in the MSM issue -. But, any gov't would be irresponsible if they came up with a plan in anything less than several months of hard work.

An environmental plan announcement is completely different from the PM's informing the public that 'in a day or two' the Gov't will reveal its plan for: violent crime or clean air or reduced taxes or..whatever. That's an entirely different type of announcement - and you know it.

Posted by: ET at November 13, 2006 3:47 PM

It will be interesting to say the least if Turner joins the Liberals, without resigning his seat to run in a by-election first, as he stated should be the case when it applied to Stronach and Emerson.

If that's the case, Turner will probably attempt to deflect criticism against him by saying that he did "consult" his constituents before the move and that they did approve. Simply "consulting" (whatever that means) will not be good enough.

Turner demanded nothing short of by-elections for both Stronach and Emerson, so how could he say that such a standard shouldn't be demanded of him?

Posted by: James at November 13, 2006 3:56 PM

I have no doubt whatsoever that Turner will not be joining the Liberal caucus.

For one, there is not numerical need for him to sit in caucus.

For two, the interim leader would never do that so soon before the real leader gets chosen.

For three, why would we want him? Who wants that kind of trouble. Much better to have a useful idiot out there calling himself a conservative.

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 4:07 PM

Why would Turner resign his seat and run in a by-election if he joined another caucus? He is not in the Conservative caucus. He was removed by the Conservative caucus from the Conservative caucus despite being elected as a Conservative by the electors of Halton. If he became Green then he wouldn't be leaving the Conservative caucus because he has already been removed from it!

Give me a break. Emerson was totally different. He was elected a Liberal and choose to quit the Liberal caucus and join the Conservative caucus. Turner isn't leaving anything.

Posted by: M Hawkins at November 13, 2006 4:18 PM

Honestly, GT is a political opportunist who found himself in a position of little power or influence with very little opportunity for improvement ...

He will probably make some (unproveable) claims tomorow to increase his reputation in order to improve his position in whatever party he ends up in. It is likely that he wants to become the environmental critic in the Liberal party of Canada and hopes that making a bombshell announcement will aid in that goal ...

Posted by: NoOne at November 13, 2006 4:20 PM

Good points, Ted. I would add that the Liberals wouldn't want Garth because he's an independent loose cannon. That's intolerable in the Liberal Party, which whips its MPs with vicious fury to keep them in line... and sometimes evicts them, like they did with Nunziata and Parrish.

The Greens, if they want him, are just being opportunistic, and foolishly so. I think Garth would be more of a one-man show, the "Garth Show" than a rep for the Greenies.

He's best as an independent.

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at November 13, 2006 4:20 PM

"Who wants that kind of trouble. Much better to have a useful idiot out there calling himself a conservative."

Ted . . .tat for tit there buddy (sorry, just couldn't resist) . . .

you guys have the most useful idiot of all . . . Belinduh.

ENJOY !!

Posted by: Fred at November 13, 2006 4:21 PM

RE: -Do you remember what happened to the Conservatives last time Garth Turner was an MP. In fact, he was Minister of Finance under Kim Campbell.-

I remember the commercial Mr. Turner did for reverse mortgages. And I know some people who lost their inheritance because of it. Their very elderly parents signed away a lifetime of equity to their home in Victoria for a criminally small amount of money on a reverse mortgage.

The issue for me with Mr. Turner is trust and it predates this latest term as an elected MP. Whoever takes him on now does so willingly and therefore deserves him. And IMO so do the people of his riding who first chose him and then elected him and sent him to Ottawa.

Posted by: concrete at November 13, 2006 4:22 PM

Such theatrics, such suspense! Garth, Party of Me, Myself and I is going to have another announcement, a biggie of course, could alter the political landscape in some important way no doubt.

We await in wild anticipation, all news outlets will cover it of course, hoping for some more ammunition against the Conservatives. He could either surprise the Conservatives or the MSM, depending on his message of course.

So the Great Garth will have our ears for another one day story in these dark days of Autumn, a week when the House is not sitting of course.

Posted by: Liz J at November 13, 2006 4:34 PM

Just like Lord Garth from the original Star Trek (although look out for any green women with him, they're dangerous)!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 13, 2006 4:36 PM

Why do people generally announce their announcements.....maximize publicity and coverage....and it is the same when the PM does it as it is when garth does it.

It is a tactic

I will let you figure out yourselves if they are equivalent.

Posted by: Stephen at November 13, 2006 4:37 PM

Turner should be tossed from the Blogging Tories. He is not one of us. Since swear-in day of this new government, he has been a thorn in the side of Stephen Harper and has continuously tried to derail this government.

He obviously prefers Liberal governments, because he's trying his best to accommodate them getting back in. He prefers obvious corruption, filth and sleaze to a government who is trying its best, yes, makes some mistakes, but is honestly trying to do the best thing for the country. You cannot say that about liberal governments. Shame on him.

Shame on all "tories" like him who stop being team players because one thing may tick them off a bit. You stay at it and work from the inside to change what you don't like. Because the consequence of not sticking with the team is allowing your team to fall apart and the bad guys (liberals) win. And we do not want that. God, we don't want that!!! In fact, I can't think of anything worse for this country than a liberal government getting back in in a few months. What a national disgrace that would be.

Posted by: Soccermom at November 13, 2006 4:56 PM

My guess is that Garth is going to find out he cannot keep the nomination of the Conservative Party in Halton and, therefore, has no party affiliation in the current parliament. I have seen this problem before provincially. His current conservative riding association will be without a candidate if an election is called before they have had a chance to a new nomination process because he was chosen earlier in the summer after he made a fuss about incumbents should automatically be nominated. A unique problem but not historic as he is saying. I can't understand why he ran in the first place. All parties expect MP's or MPP's to be team players and to represent that party. He apparently was typing on his laptop in caucus meetings. What was he thinking? Trust? What trust?

Posted by: Sandy at November 13, 2006 5:03 PM

My guess is that Garth is going to find out he cannot keep the nomination of the Conservative Party in Halton and, therefore, has no party affiliation in the current parliament. I have seen this problem before provincially. His current conservative riding association will be without a candidate if an election is called before they have had a chance to a new nomination process because he was chosen earlier in the summer after he made a fuss about incumbents should automatically be nominated. A unique problem but not historic as he is saying. I can't understand why he ran in the first place. All parties expect MP's or MPP's to be team players and to represent that party. He apparently was typing on his laptop in caucus meetings. What was he thinking? Trust? What trust?

Posted by: Sandy at November 13, 2006 5:05 PM

"Why would Turner resign his seat and run in a by-election if he joined another caucus?"

Because he has maintained all along that if an MP is elected as a Conservative,Liberal,or NDP that is what his constituents wanted.If he/she switches parties before a general election than the voters should have the right to pick the party their MP represents.I'm sure there are a number of people in his riding who voted Conservative because thats the party they want leading the country.

If Garth was true to his word he should have resigned the day he was kicked out and ran as whatever he sees fit.

Posted by: paulsstuff at November 13, 2006 5:08 PM

M Hawkins, Turner would do it because it's precisely what he asked of Emerson, who he criticized specifically because he was voted a Liberal. Turner was voted a Conservative, which means:

a) Since the party decides who's a Conservative and who's not, he should have followed their rules and made them happy. If he doesn't like it, then running in a by-election would be his recourse.

b) He certainly wasn't voted as Green, which is something he would do by choice.

Regardless, Turner is signalling that tomorrow is not about him. He'll milk this for all its worth in the weeks and months to come. Sigh.

Posted by: Dennis S.T. at November 13, 2006 5:40 PM

If I'm not mistaken, all Turner ever said in fact was that if you cross the floor to join another party then you should resign and run again. So if he joined the Greens, then he would be violating that principle, but sitting as an independent, I don't think he is.

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 6:03 PM

Ted says..
"He's certainly not a kool-aid drinking, talking points regurgitating conservative, that's for sure."

..unlike yourself or Cherniak for example, who most definitely are..

I think most Canadians (other than liberal apologists) would rather hear announcements from the Prime minister that give hope of better things to come, than to hear Liberal fantasies pronounced as policy fact (Kelowna,Kyoto)

I think we have come to realise that anything that comes out of the mouth of a Liberal is suspect at best,and only made to keep up the illusion that they are the party of ideas and action..

Can Canadians truly be expected to believe any liberal announcement after such dandies as "we will scrap the GST" or any other of the myriad "announcements" which were shown to be bald faced lies?

Posted by: kursk at November 13, 2006 6:20 PM

Actually, this Garth Turner freak is making me wonder about the Conservative Party and the manner in which they take on candidates for their ridings.

Remember the Grewal incident with the taping of the converstation he had with Ujal Dosanjh and all of the allegations of the tape being doctored? Well, I know a few people who are politically active in that riding. They tell me that Grewal made a couple of attempts to join the Liberal Party for that riding...but after checking him out a little, they flatly said "no." No details, but something about him or his past made it so that even the Liberals found him to be a big liability. But, the rumour is that the Conservatives snapped him up without properly "checking him out."

With Turner...well, he's obviously a self-centered freak who has no honor. And now, one way or the other, he is a definite liability.

Maybe the CPC should revamp its policy of choosing candidates. Just a suggestion.

Posted by: bryceman at November 13, 2006 6:23 PM

Not to change the subject - especially since Mr. Turner would not really appreciate the topic not being him, even on someone else's blog - but this made me laugh outloud:

"Can Canadians truly be expected to believe any liberal announcement after such dandies as "we will scrap the GST""

being as it comes so soon after the "dandy" of an explicit broken campaign promise that is the decision to tax income trusts.

Thanks, Kursk. I always appreciate ending my work day in a good humour.

Ted
Cerberus

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 6:36 PM

Garth sneak-peek...-


1. All I-Me-My wants for Xmas is..... Steve Harper's scalp. ...-


http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000713.html

Posted by: maz2 at November 13, 2006 6:43 PM

Not to change the subject - especially since Mr. Turner would not really appreciate the topic not being him, even on someone else's blog - but this made me laugh outloud:

"Can Canadians truly be expected to believe any liberal announcement after such dandies as "we will scrap the GST""

being as it comes so soon after the "dandy" of an explicit broken campaign promise that is the decision to tax income trusts.

Thanks, Kursk. I always appreciate ending my work day in a good humour.

Ted
Cerberus

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 6:48 PM

Come on now, Ted...the Conservatives made the announcement about the Income Trusts in one election, while the Liberals were promising to eliminate the GST in practically every election after it was introduced. That's just a BIT of a difference.

M. Hawkins: Turner was kicked out of the Conservative CAUCUS, not the Conservative PARTY. There is a difference and so many people in Canada don't seem to know that...and the MSM certainly aren't going to explain it to them. If and when Turner switches, he will be guilty of hypocracy. That's the issue.

Posted by: Hassle at November 13, 2006 7:19 PM

Ted says..
"He's certainly not a kool-aid drinking, talking points regurgitating conservative, that's for sure."

..unlike yourself or Cherniak for example, who most definitely are..

I think most Canadians (other than liberal apologists) would rather hear announcements from the Prime minister that give hope of better things to come, than to hear Liberal fantasies pronounced as policy fact (Kelowna,Kyoto)

I think we have come to realise that anything that comes out of the mouth of a Liberal is suspect at best,and only made to keep up the illusion that they are the party of ideas and action..

Can Canadians truly be expected to believe any liberal announcement after such dandies as "we will scrap the GST" or any other of the myriad "announcements" which were shown to be bald faced lies?

Posted by: kursk at November 13, 2006 7:19 PM

PMSH just sits back, keeping his powder dry, while the Liberalistas gnash & growl, the dippers grovel to dictators everywhere.

The re-election campaign has started PMSH is playing very cool and waiting for the dufus brigade to come out from behind their bull crap smokescreen of complaining and stand on real, debatable election planks.

It will be a massacre . . . go Stevey, go, but wait until the whackos have played their hand


Posted by: Fred at November 13, 2006 7:43 PM

Allegedly some ugliness about how the government is run.

I am sure he has a memo or something, likely polling data....on either environment or income trusts.

Ho hum, half day story, and it better be good or Garth has blown what sheer nightgown of credibility he has left.

Posted by: Stephen at November 13, 2006 7:47 PM

Is he ever going to finish tuning that piano?

Posted by: Pat Patterson at November 13, 2006 7:58 PM

Ted: "being as it comes so soon after the "dandy" of an explicit broken campaign promise that is the decision to tax income trusts."

If businesses that don't depend on a lot of R&D had been the only ones that used the income trust status, I don't think things would have been changed. But when Telus and Bell both considered the idea, the Tories realized that, if unchecked, this process would lead to a hollowing out of Canadian corporations. If your mandate is to distribute the maximum amount of cash to unit holders, why bother to invest in R&D? Why bother to keep on engineers, testers, etc., who are expensive and may or may not contribute immediately to the bottom line? So we would end up losing tons of skilled and intelligent people, probably to the US, who would be glad to lap them up.

And I have no sympathy at all for the idiots who had 100% of their portfolio in oil & gas income trusts, who have all written letters of lamentation to the various papers. If those fools haven't bothered to learn that diversification is the most important element in your portfolio, then they have reaped the rewards of their stupidity.

There is a fundamental law of investing: "sh*t happens". If your portfolio isn't prepared for it, you deserve any shellacking you take.

I applaud the Tories for taking the responsible course, which is to protect the Canadian economy. If they did nothing, I'm sure you, Ted, and all the other Libranos would be gleefully screaming "they should have plugged this hole earlier" after the damage has been done. Monday morning QB is so much easier, isn't it?

Posted by: KevinB at November 13, 2006 8:03 PM

"I applaud the Tories for taking the responsible course, which is to protect the Canadian economy."

Exactly. The change received praise from virtually every pundit and analyst around. It was necessary and responsible. As for paying a political price, the only people annoyed about it are ultra partisan hacks who know they're full of crap.

Posted by: christopher h at November 13, 2006 8:28 PM

".......or if the Tories have come to their senses and are begging to take me back."

What an arrogant, conceited, egotistical blow-hard. Mr. Turner, you were never that important.

Posted by: Ontario Lad at November 13, 2006 8:37 PM

Ted at 3:21...likes the Lib way of 'announcing (pull the wool over the eyes)...and do nothing'
I can't fathom taking over the huge environment portfolio and coming up with a plan in a short time.It has taken time to research, discuss and consult. Libs would lie, and do no research just spread the purple piffle.
On the topic of Turner...how do the people of Halton feel?Did they vote for Turner, or for Conservative change?

Posted by: vf at November 13, 2006 8:52 PM

Ted at 3:21...likes the Lib way of 'announcing (pull the wool over the eyes)...and do nothing'
I can't fathom taking over the huge environment portfolio and coming up with a plan in a short time.It has taken time to research, discuss and consult. Libs would lie, and do no research just spread the purple piffle.
On the topic of Turner...how do the people of Halton feel?Did they vote for Turner, or for Conservative change?

Posted by: vf at November 13, 2006 8:53 PM

Slightly OT:

"I applaud the Tories for taking the responsible course, which is to protect the Canadian economy."

A broken promise is a broken promise, regardless on whether it's about the GST or accountability or income trusts. Politicians are ALL THE SAME, and anyone who believes that Stephen Harper is any different and makes excuses for him is an idiot.

Posted by: lberia at November 13, 2006 8:57 PM

PM Harper isn't in the same league when it comes to lieing, the libs have that wrapped up. Anyone who believes anything else is a true idiot.

Posted by: multirec at November 13, 2006 9:07 PM

I think Kate has coined a term - Garthing.

When your teenage daughter spends too much time in front of the mirror you can tell her to stop Garthing herself.

When some dude drives down the street in a Camero with Whitesnake blasting you can say that he is totally Garthing.

Posted by: ferrethouse at November 13, 2006 9:07 PM

Hassle:

What are you talking about? They promised it in the 1993 election. Looked at the numbers and came to understand the structure of it. Came to the public and said we aren't going to scrap it.

It wasn't promised ever again.

Posted by: Ted at November 13, 2006 9:21 PM

Ted...i am glad that i could provide you with so much mirth at your work today..

Unfortunately,this can also be said of the Liberals who provide many of us here with their tragic comedic material, what with their penchant for hyperbole and distraction..

Would you care to list other policy gems from our natural governing party (such as and other than the GST) where they "informed " the public that what was in their best interest ,and what the Liberals did, were quite divergent? i can... and their record is quite disastrous.

I have never seen a party last so long promising so much,and delivering so little, as the federal Liberal cabal proved could be foisted on the Canadian public over the last thirteen years.

I think it is disingenuous to say that Liberals saw the errors of their ways and came out right away and stated they had erred..that simply did not happen,as you very well know.

They rode that pony for a very long time, and i remember several high profile libs twisting themselves into human pretzels over the issue..

I imagine a lot of Liberals were pulling splinters from their butts from straddling that fence for so long..

Posted by: kursk at November 13, 2006 9:59 PM

But are you dining on Venison, Kate?

News just in ... Larry O'Brien, local lad made good, is overwhelmingly elected Mayor of Ottawa.

Unfortunately, all the same old, same old, deadbeat, slime-bucket liberal-lwefty councillors were re-elected.

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at November 13, 2006 10:24 PM

But are you dining on Venison, Kate?

News just in ... Larry O'Brien, local lad made good, is overwhelmingly elected Mayor of Ottawa.

Unfortunately, all the same old, same old, deadbeat, slime-bucket liberal-lwefty councillors were re-elected.

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at November 13, 2006 10:29 PM

Yes Hassle, I know that. Turner still is the nominated candidate for the Conservative Party in Halton and is likely still a member. But if you want to dance on the point of a pin, he doesn't have to leave the Conservative Party when/if he joins another caucus.

Yeah Paul and Dennis, but Turner isn't crossing anything. He was removed from the Conservative caucus. Do you get it yet? He didn't initiate. It isn't one little bit like Emerson. BTW, Turner doesn't get the money and perks that Emerson or BS sold out for by leaving their caucus to get cabinet posts.

Harper got Spencer booted for dumb speech and Turner's on the toe for devolving some "secret", I don't care for the whip but Harper is the dog we have in the fight so I accept him for now, donate my money and give my time volunteering.

Does anybody know the "secret" that was devolved? Spencer apparently got the boot for violating party policy when he didn't and Turner for releasing a "secret" that nobody seems to know what it was. Hmmm.

Posted by: M Hawkins at November 14, 2006 12:25 AM

Garth sneak-peek

Garth will likely provide the answers to 10 questions that his board of directors asked to the Conservative Party. Well, the twenty-four member board received their answers and here they are (in a general sense):

1. [Has Garth] been suspended or expelled from caucus?
Suspended.

2. Is it definite or indefinite?
Indefinite.

3. What was the reason?
Garth has been provided with the reasons.

4. Will [Garth] be formally notified (of the suspension)?
No such formal process. Garth was at the Ontario caucus when the decision was rendered. Garth did not attend the National Caucus where it was ratified.

5. What evidence will the board get to justify [Garth's] ouster? ...-

3w.stephentaylor.ca/

Posted by: maz2 at November 14, 2006 5:00 AM

Thanks Maz, that was a funny one by Stephan Taylor for number 5 (none of your business). A secret revealed but nobody knows what the secret is that was revealed. Its Spencer all over again, "You're not a toadie, hit the roadie."

Posted by: M Hawkins at November 14, 2006 8:28 AM

Heard his speech today, but did not turn around to watch him. He sounded breathless and embarrassed. He cannot run as a conservative again, he is resigning his membership in the party and wants all the perks etc as an independant that party members have. My sympathies to the people that elected this fool. He is not joining another party, and I wonder if that is because no one wants him. Wait for them to release letters saying NO WAY, GO AWAY.

Posted by: maryT at November 14, 2006 2:32 PM

Just watched Garth Turner's press conference. What a joke. He is, if he isn't already, a joke among the mainstream media. The left leaning media turned out in hordes hoping to get more negative stuff to write about the Conservatives. What a thud. Telling the MSM and Canadians politics is run by the backroom boys. Duh! He's going to change it. Well CTV didn't even wait for him to finish his statemenst before they went back to their recycled newscast. Kate is right as far as Mr. Turner is concerned it's all about me, me, me blah, blah. Shame on Garth Turner. He is now kryptonite for all political parties including the Green Party I assume.

Posted by: hollinm at November 14, 2006 2:38 PM

Just watched Garth Turner's press conference. What a joke. He is, if he isn't already, a joke among the mainstream media. The left leaning media turned out in hordes hoping to get more negative stuff to write about the Conservatives. What a thud. Telling the MSM and Canadians politics is run by the backroom boys. Duh! He's going to change it. Well CTV didn't even wait for him to finish his statemenst before they went back to their recycled newscast. Kate is right as far as Mr. Turner is concerned it's all about me, me, me blah, blah. Shame on Garth Turner. He is now kryptonite for all political parties including the Green Party I assume.

Posted by: hollinm at November 14, 2006 2:39 PM

Just watched Garth Turner's press conference. What a joke. He is, if he isn't already, a joke among the mainstream media. The left leaning media turned out in hordes hoping to get more negative stuff to write about the Conservatives. What a thud. Telling the MSM and Canadians politics is run by the backroom boys. Duh! He's going to change it. Well CTV didn't even wait for him to finish his statemenst before they went back to their recycled newscast. Kate is right as far as Mr. Turner is concerned it's all about me, me, me blah, blah. Shame on Garth Turner. He is now kryptonite for all political parties including the Green Party I assume.

Posted by: hollinm at November 14, 2006 2:43 PM

Check out CTV. Barely mention it until they get all huffy about Harper and his "transparency" thing.
No surprise here. Just the regular conservative trashing.

Posted by: Rattfuc at November 14, 2006 2:56 PM

Oh wow. I just read a transcript of Turner's speech. Kate's original post had it bang-on...it really is all about him. All he is doing is trying to emerge as the leader of some new political revolutionary ideal...In other words, he wants to become what he claims to be against.

Incredible.

I loved the part that says "I don't know what 'indefinite' means." Get this man a dictionary.

He actually called a press conference and got coverage for this? What's next? Will he call a press conference the next time he wants to say that he's miffed about how long he has to wait in line at the local Tim Horton's?

Oh well, at least we can count on everyone (including the media) to pass him off as the boy who cried wolf the next time he pulls something like this.

Posted by: bryceman at November 14, 2006 3:08 PM

The satire page "screenshot", above, is mild compared with the real speech just given. And I guess he's sitting as in Independent, while campaigning for the Greens' May in London, so that he can claim that he hasn't switched parties, so he doesnt' have to run in a byelection right away.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2006 3:22 PM

Ah poor Garth, just doesn’t understand that no-one wants him. Can’t understand that grandstanding as a primadonna, only harms one’s credibility. Can’t understand that the constant public dissing of his colleagues doesn’t build trust and influence within and outside circles. Can’t understand that there are other MPs who may qualify for cabinet posts, other than him. Can’t understand that there are another 307 MPs in house who may have good ideas besides him and do good by their constituents. Can’t understand that parliament needs some discipline in order to get things done - yes it means concessions. Can’t understand that a party of one usually can only be a critic (like a deer tick) rather than someone who can actually enact changes.

So he doesn’t like parties. He conveniently forgets that the parties have constitutions that set forth the district rules and regulations. The constitutions are usually ratified by regular people, who take the time to join parties and go to conventions. If they don’t like something, they bring forth resolutions for considerations. Nah - according to Garth’s world…. let’s forget all that and follow Garth’s “digital democracy”. If you don’t follow Garth, well, then he’ll just diss you on his blog.

A word of advise to any Garth’s followers - watch your backs

Posted by: Catherine at November 14, 2006 4:15 PM

Is it too late for him to join the liberal leadership race, or how about running for Ralph'sjob in Alberta. Watch for fireworks after Dec 3, when there will be a further 7 failed leadership candidates, some of them MLAs, to cross the floor and diss their party. Lets see, we have Keith Martin, Scott B., BS, Garth T. there now. There was a 10 yr fight between Martin and Chretain. Then there was Svend, who retired and took up a new career in theft. (would have made a great liberal) Sheila was humiliated. Have I left anyone out. Oh, the former candidates that gave support to another, what happens if their guy doesn't win.

Posted by: maryT at November 14, 2006 4:36 PM

you left out Brian Tobin, the fishschtick king.

his grandstanding has only recently been surpassed by Danny "Cry me a river" Williams.

Posted by: cal2 at November 14, 2006 4:50 PM

The only thing that was of a disturbing revelence( or is it disturbed) was the farce of a press conference.

Posted by: bryanr at November 14, 2006 5:01 PM

The only thing that was of a disturbing revelence( or is it disturbed) was the farce of a press conference.

Posted by: bryanr at November 14, 2006 5:01 PM

The only thing that was of a disturbing revelence was the farce of a press conference.

If I was a reporter I would be disturbed that i had to sit through it.

Posted by: bryanr at November 14, 2006 5:03 PM

That was the BIG NEWS news conference? That?

Huh ... and really what does he epxect when he is constantly throwing tantrums and political melodramas?

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at November 14, 2006 5:09 PM

This only proves that high incomes, joined with golden pensions, with inflation clauses, showered in free cars. Do not attract the cream of the crop.

I would aver it does the exact opposite. It calls like a siren, those who are opportunists, liars, thieves, malcontents turned professional freeloaders.

Drifters allied with con men. Some bad actors in the mix as well. Mostly lawyers though. With of course the requisite power hungry, nabobs of nihilism.

I will say still most, even those blinded by ideology, are sincere.

Garth Turner is just another life long member of their favorite club. Me Myself & I. In other words a dog in the manger narcissist.

I see a lot of liberals on here. How does it feel to watch others throw out their trash, while your still inhaling yours, if not regurgitating the same fetid unrepentant users?

Posted by: Revnant Dream at November 14, 2006 6:08 PM

For that empty,useless bunch of rhetoric,and a total"non-press conference"I wasted a beautiful day!I would like some help tho,with what Taber found "disturbing"about some of what Garthy Boy had to say ..WHAT ??? That it wasn't just the Cons.that he was slagging?Only thing I could see that Plain Jane would find disturbing!What a bunch of dolts the msm is..for that they booked a room,and wasted the media's time!One of these days,Garthy's head will be so swelled..he'll explode.
Speaking of fatheads,Steve McKinnon comes to mind.

Posted by: Sammy at November 14, 2006 6:15 PM

Nice to see Garth practices what he preaches. Leave a post for him that he doesn't like and see how long it lasts.
enough

Posted by: enough at November 14, 2006 6:23 PM

You know Taber was waiting for something to diss Harper...she is terribly pre-occupied with twisting a story into "Bad Harper".

Posted by: vf at November 14, 2006 6:34 PM

Garth Who?

Posted by: melwilde at November 14, 2006 6:51 PM

Garth could have a lot to offer, he seems to have some really sensible ideas on issues, but he can't accept he's not in charge of the Party he was elected under. Neither can he accept the rules of Caucus confidentiality, therefore, he has done the right thing by quitting the Party he professes to be a staunch believer in.

He is the author of his own demise, no party would tolerate such behavior.

The big story here is the MSM being taken for the silly beggars they are by this maverick politico, he didn't give them what they anticipated.

Garth, the MSM, they deserve each other.

Posted by: Liz J at November 14, 2006 7:08 PM

and now the press returns to Garth with the same morbid facination of a dog sampling his own vomit.

Posted by: cal2 at November 14, 2006 7:16 PM

Garth could have a lot to offer, he seems to have some really sensible ideas on issues, but he can't accept he's not in charge of the Party he was elected under. Neither can he accept the rules of Caucus confidentiality, therefore, he has done the right thing by quitting the Party he professes to be a staunch believer in.

He is the author of his own demise, no party would tolerate such behavior.

The big story here is the MSM being taken for the silly beggars they are by this maverick politico, he didn't give them what they anticipated.

Garth, the MSM, they deserve each other.

Posted by: Liz J at November 14, 2006 7:32 PM

Another major me, lost in translation:
www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20061114.VOTEGTASB14/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/

"And Carolyn Parrish, the controversial former MP who was tossed out of the Liberal caucus for her unkind words about U.S. President George W. Bush, landed a seat on Mississauga City Council."

At least good sense re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-elected Hurricane Hazel.
/www.macleans.ca/topstories/national/article.jsp?article=2006_11_14_1163526402

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins at November 14, 2006 7:32 PM

This is simple ... Darth (Vader) Turner is a spoiled brat who didn't make the cabinet cut and simply cannot get over it.

He is a twit who will be completely faded away by the next election.

Bye Bye Darth you will not be missed.

And I do remember when he was flogging the reverse mortgage scam for seniors which is a legal way of stealing people's homes.

He is a slut.

Posted by: John at November 14, 2006 7:41 PM

This is simple ... Darth (Vader) Turner is a spoiled brat who didn't make the cabinet cut and simply cannot get over it.

He is a twit who will be completely faded away by the next election.

Bye Bye Darth you will not be missed.

And I do remember when he was flogging the reverse mortgage scam for seniors which is a legal way of stealing people's homes.

He is a slut.

Posted by: John at November 14, 2006 7:42 PM

Garth Turner is a narcissist? And what, Stephen Harper isn't?

Posted by: Cain at November 14, 2006 8:23 PM

Garth Turner is a narcissist? And what, Stephen Harper isn't?

Posted by: Cain at November 14, 2006 8:23 PM

Kate, thought this might be of interest: Garth or his tech person routinely censors comments on his blog that are critical of him. According to comments left on my blog, this is a common occurence:

http://uncommontruths.blogspot.com/2006/11/garth-turner-get-that-light-away-from_13.html

Posted by: Dante at November 14, 2006 8:24 PM

''Nice to see Garth practices what he preaches. Leave a post for him that he doesn't like and see how long it lasts.''
enough

Wow. Who else does that?

Posted by: maryjane at November 14, 2006 8:38 PM

"I see a lot of liberals on here. How does it feel to watch others throw out their trash, while your still inhaling yours, if not regurgitating the same fetid unrepentant users?"

What the Rev said!

Posted by: richfisher at November 14, 2006 8:59 PM

Cain :

Garth Turner is a narcissist? And what, Stephen Harper isn't?

NO!! Harper is too busy trying to keep together a Dominion that will crash & burn if he goes. That’s why the there is so much emphasis on Provincial rights & Senate reform.

Shows me though the lefts special form of moral blindness . When you mistake resolve for a vice. Not surprising considering the left did nothing but loot others while in power . While enriching there buddies.

At the cost of the Nation, its infrastructure, legal system , social responsibility, education. They all suffered & continue to, under bureaucrats dedicated to group collectivism, over individual responsibility with rights.

All thanks to Liberal corruption , sleaze, scare mongering, dishonesty, power mongering. You know, most of the Liberal caucus with there abettors, the MSM.

Garth Turner is a small worm, compared to the killing virus of the left.

I really don’t know if PMSH can pull it off. I hope he does, but have no faith in the Euro Ontario mentality. They will give there liberty up for bread & the circus. Would be my bet. For conservative they will flee west from Utopia. I already see it.

You lotus eaters, still think its 2001 Sept. 10 nth. In twenty years I devoutly wish a Garth Turner is all where talking about.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at November 14, 2006 9:20 PM

Cain..in short, no he is not..he has a healthy ego and is quite sure of himself but not narcissistic...

Jack Layton and Paul Martin on the other hand...

Posted by: kursk at November 14, 2006 9:54 PM

"Harper is too busy trying to keep together a Dominion that will crash & burn if he goes."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ROTFLMAO

Harper is actually too busy integrating Canada with the US. Garth Turner, like Emerson, Fortier, softwood, income trusts, etc., is just another crack in the facade that the Conservatives are better/different than any other party.

Posted by: lberia at November 14, 2006 9:59 PM

I know that for the last 24-hours Garth keeps on deleting my comments on his blog, but only the ones that link back to here — in the most banal, mundane terms possible, even using such ordinary words as "link".

If it links back here or asks why he deletes links back to SDA, Garth deletes it. It's hilarious.

Posted by: Christoph at November 14, 2006 10:17 PM

Liberals on income trusts do nothing, lots of leaks and wondering out loud.
Liberals on softwood again nothing but lots of money for lawyers.
And I guess maintaining a cordial relationship with your biggest trading partner is a bad thing to a real canadian like you iberia.

Posted by: one of the other greg's at November 14, 2006 10:25 PM

Rev Dream said:

"They will give their liberty up for bread & the circus."


Just like Mussolini said:

"The truth is evident to all who are unblinded by dogmatism that men nowadays are tired of liberty."

From the Apr. 7, 1923 issue of TIME magazine

Thus we conclude that modern LIEberal is really a fascist in disguise.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at November 14, 2006 10:25 PM

Note to Garth:

Andy Warhol called: Your 15 minutes are up!

Posted by: Jim Pook at November 14, 2006 10:33 PM

Off topic, but enough on Turner already

The hits/commenters on cbcwatch.ca has jumped lately. Even after eliminating those who are paid employees of CBC, the # taking the time to audit their One Billion $$ is exploding.

Posted by: B. Hoax Aware at November 14, 2006 10:34 PM

I'm really not concerned about Garth Turner. I'm more concerned about Stephen Harper. There are many ways to be a leader and cleaning house is one of them. But the perception of Harper in the past has been that he is calculating and cold and Canadians typically are sympathetic. It is starting to look like he may be reinforcing some of those previous perceptions. Chretien ruled with a hard hand, but he was percieved as "the little guy from Shawinigan" and got away with it, largely brcause the press was on his side. The MSNM won't be as kind to Harper. Some of Harpers decisions, although not popular have been for the good of Canada, and I applaud him for it. But this was for the good of the party and may not sit so well with the average voter.

Posted by: al-lea at November 14, 2006 10:38 PM

al-lea:

You make decent points. But, I am hoping (and I think Harper is hoping) that Canadians are made of the right stuff. The kind of stuff where you appreciate a leader who makes the correct decisions and stands by what they decide. A leader who keeps his/her head down and gets the job done - rather than simply mugging for the cameras; on an endless quest for photo-ops and slogans like "da little guy from Shawinigan". A leader who inspires confidence and actual leads - as opposed to someone who governs by committee and takes whatever the latest polls tells them and makes it policy.

I think that Canadians have that kind of spirit - deep down inside. We have shown it many times before the dawn of the CBC/Pravda/NDP tolerating days where the media made us feel that if we didn't go along with whacky leftist ideals we were somehow un-Canadian.

If I am wrong...if this kind of spirit has been indeed bred out of a majority of Canadians and Harper is taken out because of it...well then this is not the right country for Harper as a leader. At least, if he sticks to his vision and doesn't become drunk on the idea of power, he will go down with honor. That is something you can hardly say about any recent federal leader I know of.

Posted by: bryceman at November 14, 2006 11:00 PM

al-lea:

You make decent points. But, I am hoping (and I think Harper is hoping) that Canadians are made of the right stuff. The kind of stuff where you appreciate a leader who makes the correct decisions and stands by what they decide. A leader who keeps his/her head down and gets the job done - rather than simply mugging for the cameras; on an endless quest for photo-ops and slogans like "da little guy from Shawinigan". A leader who inspires confidence and actual leads - as opposed to someone who governs by committee and takes whatever the latest polls tells them and makes it policy.

I think that Canadians have that kind of spirit - deep down inside. We have shown it many times before the dawn of the CBC/Pravda/NDP tolerating days where the media made us feel that if we didn't go along with whacky leftist ideals we were somehow un-Canadian.

If I am wrong...if this kind of spirit has been indeed bred out of a majority of Canadians and Harper is taken out because of it...well then this is not the right country for Harper as a leader. At least, if he sticks to his vision and doesn't become drunk on the idea of power, he will go down with honor. That is something you can hardly say about any recent federal leader I know of.

Posted by: bryceman at November 14, 2006 11:04 PM

like a dog returning to his own vomit , I was just at CBCpravda website. 3 stories on liberals and one on garth turner quitting the conservatives.

"CBCpravda - all Liberal , all the time."

Posted by: cal2 at November 14, 2006 11:53 PM

Garthstanding has replaced grandstanding!

Posted by: Larry at November 15, 2006 1:07 AM

Garthstanding has replaced grandstanding!

Posted by: Larry at November 15, 2006 1:24 AM

other greg writes:

"And I guess maintaining a cordial relationship with your biggest trading partner is a bad thing to a real canadian like you iberia."

Well, it seems that your idea of a cordial relationship is bending over and saying "hurt me some more."

Posted by: lberia at November 15, 2006 1:25 AM

NOW can the MSM just keep on rollin' and finally ignore this man?

He has dwindled into complete irrelevance and he's not worth one more soundbyte

Posted by: bored at November 15, 2006 1:26 AM

The media was only salivating over Garth Turner because they wanted dirt on the Conservatives, especially Stephen Harper. Their mission is to seek and destroy conservatives and get the Liberals back inso they can get back to being win ed and dined on the taxpayer dollars.
Turn the tables and see what happens. What is a Liberal called a news conference like Garth did to "spill the beans" on Liberal insider stuff.
My guess, based on thr past, is the media would crucify this turncoat Liberal and defend the Liberal party. The reverse here is that they have treated Turner like some kind of guru.

Posted by: Shannon at November 15, 2006 1:26 AM

other greg writes:

"And I guess maintaining a cordial relationship with your biggest trading partner is a bad thing to a real canadian like you iberia."

Well, it is when your idea of a cordial relationship is bending over and saying "hurt me some more."

Posted by: lberia at November 15, 2006 1:45 AM

I have attempted to post on Garth's website - hmmmmmm it doesn't come up - so much for Garth "letting Canadians have a voice"....

Of course the Garthies will never know that because they have been indoctrinated into Garth's cult and actually believe that each individual Canadian should be able to dictate how the government works - 308 Independents all shouting and yelling and blogging and demanding that their views be heard and adopted.

Yeah - that would work!

Posted by: Albertagirl at November 15, 2006 8:44 AM

RE: Iberia says,

Well, it seems that your idea of a cordial relationship is bending over and saying "hurt me some more."

This goofy comment sounds homophobic and anti-American all at once.

Posted by: concrete at November 15, 2006 8:44 AM

"Harper is actually too busy integrating Canada with the US."

So you must be outraged that the Liberals are bringing up all these American speakers to talk to them and give them advice right?

Posted by: paulsstuff at November 15, 2006 9:17 AM

iberia's word picture brought to mind the Libs treatment of soft wood lumber and what it did to the Canadian lumber industry..but it's so easy for the Libs to blame Americans.And Libs have that love affair going on with some selective Americans..Howard Dean and Clinton...he's the up-front kinda guy...
Harper has backbone...something Libs don't recognise...and he has too much class to get into details about Garth.If you ignore the kid that is 'acting out' for attention, they will eventually stop the attention seeking behaviour.

Posted by: vf at November 15, 2006 9:26 AM

Again-disappointing...talk about much ado about nothing. Ack. Yawn. Blechy. And what the heck is with all the double posts?

Posted by: him at November 15, 2006 10:10 AM

All together now....mmmmmmmm....Oh when the St. goes marching out, oh when the St. goes marching out...

Posted by: MadMacs of Bytown at November 15, 2006 11:52 AM

"Elizabeth May should be the first Green member of Parliament in the House of Commons," Turner said yesterday."

John Turner did not say that.

It's Garth Turner, stupid.

Buy Green and hold. ...-

Posted by: maz2 at November 15, 2006 12:23 PM

Well it appears I'm next on Garth's digital democracy sensorship... Garth, certainly, doesn't want anyone to criticize him. However, Garth does allow and post anti-Harper rhetoric babble.

But, I did post this after I got under his skin... so we'll see if he is geniunely interested in all points of view or only from his groupies.

"Well Garth, your digital democracy goes as far as people aren't critical of your actions, eh? Remember, you didn't like censorship from your previous conservative caucus. Please practice what you preach.

I've complimented you several times, when I believed it was appropriate... most recently on your Remembrance day entry. But, don't expect me to give you a false sense of nobility, when it's not warranted.

BTW: my "100" entries have spanned the 10 months - which is about 10 per month... If you feel that it's too much for your digital democracy.... then maybe you should state the rules.

BTW2: my "name calling" is nothing compared to your own "name calling".

So, go ahead and don't post this entry.... it'll only just prove my point that you, Garth, only look for false groupie admiration entries."

Posted by: Catherine at November 15, 2006 4:19 PM

Interestingly, I sent another comment to Garth which of course didn't come up so I signed another name and second e-mail address and voila - up it came. He does censor - too bad the Garthies don't know that he is doing exactly what he complained was being done to him.

Idiot!

Posted by: Albertagirl at November 15, 2006 7:06 PM

Surprising my two entries got posted. I guess he had a "change of heart". Anyone catch Michael Coren tonight.... They spoke about Garth for about 10 minutes or so. Michael said that he knew Garth and said that he is a decent person but can't understand why he chose the course he chose since not getting in cabinet - basically, Garth caused his own departure. The panel agreed that all MPs are given the party policies on which they run under, so if they don't like it, then, why did they run in the first place. Interesting point.

Posted by: Catherine at November 15, 2006 7:56 PM

No my idea of a cordial relationship is respect given is respect returned. You seem to be the only one with a bending over fetish.

Posted by: one of the other greg's at November 15, 2006 7:57 PM

NEWS FLASH: CORRUPT LIBERAL REGIME ENRICHES AMERICAN LAWYERS ON THE BACKS OF CANADIANS

"OTTAWA (CP) - The softwood lumber dispute with the United States may have delivered a hard blow to the Canadian forest industry but it was a boon to American lawyers, according to internal federal documents.

From April 2002 to March 2006, Ottawa spent at least $40.8 million in legal fees on the file, most of it for lawyers south of the border, according to the documents obtained by The Canadian Press using federal access to information legislation.

And that amount represents just a portion of the total bill.

According to numerous government sources, once the expenses of the federal government, the provinces, individual forest companies and Canadian forestry lobby groups are all added up, the legal tab rises to more than $300 million.

Guy Chevrette, president of the Quebec Forest Industry Council, agreed with the figures, saying his organization alone spent $5 million a year on the issue."

Yeah real nice work if you can get it. It would be real interesting to see how all that loot got split up and what contributions were made to which politcal parties. Too bad that nasty Stephen Harper de-railed another gravy train. I would think that Liberals could have played that one out for another four years at least and then make a deal right before calling an election. Bad Mr.Harper. Quick iberia think up a good nasty name to call him. YSFM.

Posted by: one of the other greg's at November 15, 2006 8:29 PM

Yeah, bad liberals for fighting a trade dispute in court. Who would have thought that this would require lawyers who like to get paid with money. Meanwhile Harper just lets the Americans keep $1 billion, quite a bit of which was funneled into Republican party coffers. That's showing them.

Posted by: lberia at November 15, 2006 8:50 PM

Yeah so much better than spending millions for nothing. Liberals returned zero dollars to Canadian Companies affected by the the softwood dispute at an expense to the taxpayers of 40.5 million dollars.

Harper returned over four billion dollars to Canadian Companies and returned even more money to the taxpayers when a budgeted eighteen million dollars earmarked for "legal expenses" was returned.

The cost to Canadians for Harper's civility to the Americans, zero dollars. The return four billion dollars.
Liberal arrogance and inability to quickly solve international disputes.
Cost to Canadian Taxpayers 40.5 million with no results.

Score
Taxpayers of Canada 1
Lying Thieving Libranos 0

Posted by: one of the other greg's at November 16, 2006 9:40 PM

I hate myself for feeding the trolls, but Iberia's too much to ignore: "Harper is actually too busy integrating Canada with the US"

Er, how exactly? By trying to change/postpone the US passport at the border initiative? By bringing an erstwhile Liberal into Cabinet to get a settlement on softwood dispute? (Memo to Iberiot: the definition of a successful compromise is one where neither party is satisfied) By being honest enough to admit that we had no hope of meeting Kyoto timetables, unlike the Liberals, who preached it like gospel while CO2 outputs rose? By saying we would live up to our commitment in Afghanistan, but not extending our forces into Iraq? By actually cutting the GST, which the Liberals promised to eliminate but then used to fund more waste? It seems to me that the only things that are different from the Liberals are 1) Harper gets results, and 2) Harper doesn't find it necessary to insult and belittle America, a nation where many, many of us have relatives and friends.

Posted by: KevinB at November 16, 2006 11:53 PM
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