maybe they can all 'join hands across the nation'

thus deservedly wrenching their arms out of the socket trying to reach the other leftie 1/2 a km away.

LOL !!!

What was the final score in the hockey game?

Susan Mohammad reports for CanWest News Service that NDP leader Jack Layton marched with the protesters in Toronto calling for the withdrawal of Canadian troops from Afghanistan.

In related news, Al-Qaeda spokesman Hossan Abdul Raouf warns Canada to quit the Afghan mission or endure attacks like 9/11.

Stories at Canada.com

So we go in there, blow some stuff up, kill some people, help set up a democratic government, get started on some reconstruction and then we drop hat and leave?

This is a UN approved combat mission.

If we leave now people are never going to trust our word again.

Its like going over to your friend's house, taking his house apart on the promise you will renovate it and then leaving it in pieces.

If we leave now it will be like Rwanda II for those people who were not on the Taliban's side...

Pathetic, I heard one guy shouting about no more war for oil!! Ummmm hey dipstick, Afghanistan doesn't have any oil!!

I predict that the "Support Our Troops" rally in Edmonton this Friday (11:30 at Sir Winston Churchill Square)brings out more people than these idiots could raise from across the whole country! Snow or not!!!

Taliban Layton and his party are getting seriously marginalized over this issue.

Poor planning on the left ... last Wednesday was welfare Wednesday (Mardi Gras). When the money runs out (for the drugs and booze) they will be ready to protest.

Hint for Taliban Jack - plan these things for the middle of the month.

Several hundred show up in montreal, are we ever going to get rid of these frog bastards?

"Susan Fuchammad reports for CanWest News Service that NDP leader Jack Layton screwed with the protesters in Toronto calling for the withdrawal of all Dickheads from trooping with men in Afghanistan.

In related news, Al-Qaeda spokesman Hossan Abdul Raouf warns Canada that this is the
Toronto Maple Leaf's year to screw the seat holders big time!
e 9/11.

Toronto had barely 500 or 1 in 8000 citizens. Kingston had a pro troops rally that had several thousand show up.

The left has lost this battle and should just toss in the towel. We are wanted and needed in Afghanistan.

There looked to be about 500-1,000 in Vancouver - most from a few unions. It took them about 5 minutes to pass in front of my office. That said - there didn't appear to be any 'war protesters' per se. There were a lot of the usual suspects. Besides the unions: communists, anti-globalizationistas, the 'pirg' crowd. Dumbest thing I saw was the CUPE group holding up a pro illegal immigration sign: "No one is illegal".

Anyhow, 1'000 protesters is simply not enough. Last time I checked the Constitution requires 1,001 protesters to override the vote of the democratically elected parliament and the 10,000,000+ voters who supported pro-Afghan Intervention parties (Martin Liberals + PCs). Better luck next time hippies.

Jack Coitus Interruptus Layton says early withdrawal is the safest method.

don't these fools realize that all their protesting has acomplished absolutley nothing, Gulf War 1 went ahead, Iraq continues and their crying won't move Harper one inch; are they just plain stupid or what?

Front page news at Global - " thousands marched against the war". Al I saw was a bunch of turbans and union people. I understand there were many more that came out in support of our soldiers in Kingston.(Blogging Tories) That did not get reported by Global. North America's news service is PATHETIC.

Idiot leftists never get it

Hi There! I was at the Calgary rally and just to make sure everyone understands, there were about 75 people there in support of pulling our troops our. Of those, approximately 80% were organized labour. Lets put that in perspective. That equals 0.0075% of Calgary's population.

Sucks to be a moonBat!

Did you notice how many of those protesters had red on, touques, stripes, jackets, etc. Saw a lot of red there. Imagine supporting and protesting at the same time. Still haven't seen one poppy in the dozens out there. Guess Harper doesn't have to worry about the against the war vote.
Just a bunch of hippies and draft dodgers from the 60s letting us know they still exist.

If the lefty nitwits weren't just a bunch of cowardly poseurs they'd take their protest to the Taliban and their Pakistani and Al-Qaeda cohorts - they're the "root cause" of the war.

Oh, lost my head - I forgot, they want the Taliban to win!

Watch the coverage of one guy speaking, there is a clown in the background moving and shaking. Is that M J Fox in disquise.

Veterans on Afghanistan: "impossible to win"

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/story.html?id=7d99f5be-0dd2-4751-a839-9aa07d3caf04&k=55889&p=1

Speaking of protests. How about the thousands of christain teens that turned out to protest pop culture, violence tv, games, immorality etc. Add these to the thousands that turned out for the Pope and we have a great future generation of leaders coming up.

cbcnews - "driving snow in Edmonton" ?????

driving snow my frosty ass, unfrigginbelievable!

Hi There! I was at the Calgary rally and just to make sure everyone understands, there were about 75 people there in support of pulling our troops our. Of those, approximately 80% were organized labour. Lets put that in perspective. That equals 0.0075% of Calgary's population.

When Christ had a dozen disciples and a few score hangers-on, what percentage of the population of the Holy Land did that number represent?

Good point Stephen, a dozen can change the world, but sorry to burst your bubble, even a million moonbats with a bad message, will still be a million moonbats.

The twelve had a potent message that people centuries later are still hearing, you on the other hand had a message so lame that even your own supporters did not show up to support it! It must really suck to be a lefty these days!

Richard is not a Christian, Stephen, but suuuuuuper nice try though; it's always amusing to watch one atheist try to club another atheist with the bible, lol. Next time, man up and leave other people's religion out of it.

Hey, Hunter

What was the message of that first-century moonbat, by the way?

I seem to recall something about loving your enemies and doing good to those who attack and speak badly of you (Matt 5:44).

Pretty 'lame' message, eh?

Oh, and I find the language of 'lame' and 'potent' messages quite interesting as well, especially in a New Testament context.

After all, John tells us that the 'lame' can be made to walk (John 5) despite every appearance to the contrary, while the consistent message of the NT is that the 'potent' (i.e. powerful) arguments, people, rules, regimes often turn out to be less 'potent' than they seemed at first glance.

Richard is not a Christian, Stephen, but suuuuuuper nice try though; it's always amusing to watch one atheist try to club another atheist with the bible, lol.

I'm not an atheist: I'm a Christian.

The point of my rhetorical question (and I apologize to Richard if I've insulted him with it) was that the number of people who hold an opinion (and their affiliation) is no evidence at all of its rightness or wrongness, as he implied.

In his post, Richard implicitly claimed to be on the side of 'understanding' and putting things in their proper 'perspective.' Yet, without even addressing anything at all of the substance of the anti-war demonstrators' position, Richard dismissed their views based on 1) the number of the demonstrators relative to the population of the city; and 2) their union affiliation.

That didn't sound much like 'putting things in perspective' to me, so I offered a rhetorical question based on a well-known historical instance where a small number of much-maligned people took a position that later came to be seen as the correct one.

I could have picked other examples, including non-religious ones, and perhaps I should have.

But I think the basic point still stands: pace Richard's implication, being one of only a few people to say something that contradicts the majority view does not make you wrong or a 'moonbat.'

In fact, the opposite is often the case.

"Poor planning on the left ... last Wednesday was welfare Wednesday (Mardi Gras). When the money runs out (for the drugs and booze) they will be ready to protest."

A worthless stereotype.

"Several hundred show up in montreal, are we ever going to get rid of these frog bastards?"

A worthless slur.

"It took them about 5 minutes to pass in front of my office."

Working on a Saturday. Sucks 2 be u.

"North America's news service is PATHETIC."

Maybe you should move to Texas.

"Idiot leftists never get it"

Ditto.

"Sucks to be a moonBat!"

Shouldn't you be posting on LGF? I hear they need a 200,000th repetition of that word.

"Is that M J Fox in disquise."

Another worthless slur.

"It must really suck to be a lefty these days!"

It must really suck to say it must really suck so often.

In closing, it seems nobody here had anything positive to say about the mission, the soldiers, the importance of our presence in Afghanistan, and the good we are doing by staying. Instead all I heard was back-slapping and frothing at the mouth, with superlatives and knee-jerk slurs and slogans.

Brutal.

Robert:
quit taking text out of context -- that's the basis for pretext.

Christian theology is not about numbers, though it might be where you hang your prayer shawl. It is also not exclusively about a "message" which you've represented as some sort of cherry-picked "this is important cause I say it is."

I seem to recall reading that Christ did not condemn the Roman Centurion whose daughter needed Christ's healing. In fact, Christ had some great degree of understanding the Military life and mind and spoke favourably of it.

My take on the Christian thing is that the people of the time were "empowered" by the Holy Spirit. That their Spirit-empowered lifestyle is what overturned the Empire within a few hundred years, max. They sang hymns as they were crucified, and as they were being marched into the Arenas throughout the Empire, to be served up as Christly Kibbles and Bits for the Tigers and the Lions. Again, it wasn't anything to do with numbers, nor with message. It was/is about power. And I'm not talking military might.

Any Canadian Political Leader, who can stand up before a rally in a Canadian City Square and openly declare that there is no chance of "Military victory" in Afghanistan, cannot in the same breath pretend that he supports our troops in theatre. Likewise the followers and supporters of such leaders.

As for F. Juarez? I'd like to see a really in depth follow-up on this guy. I'd also like to know whatever happened to "The Official Secrets Act." I was discharged in '65, and am still under The Act, because of events in some areas of my service.

The demonstrators this week-end have contributed greatly to the comforting and abbetting of the forces our troops confront on a daily basis.

forget the union types....it is the sponsorship of this rally by the CMC that should scare the crap out of everyone...taliban agents anybody?????as well, with al qaida calling for attacks in canada......wake up little snoozy...we are about to taste the wrath of the islamonutjobs, here in canada, in canadian towns, on canadian streets......i am not making this up....GO ARMY......PS..CAN ANYONE SAY FRANCE??

And to think our soldiers are over there fighting and dying to keep those stupid bastards safe.
They can't grasp the fact that if we don't get terrorists where they propagate, we'll have them here, if we haven't already.
The loopy Left, professing to be for love and peace while wanting to give Afghani people back to the brutality of the Taliban. THEY'RE SICK and STUPID.

i would guess the odds are 99% that the taliban/al qaida social group has dilitantes here preparing their dance cards...it is one boogie i will not miss out on...if they think it is tough sledding against a few thousand canuck troops, wait until they enrage the whole nation....remember WWII????it will finally get the average beer/hockey slob engaged!!!!!GO ARMY

Way to go Adrian ,a whole post about pointing out the obvious,something original would be nice,It really does suck .(200,001 what do I win?).

Attention Canadian union members:

Your union dues are used to aid/abet Muslim Islamist terrorists, aka the Taliban, etc.

The Taliban murder women and children.

Are you complicit in murder?

Do you as a union member condone/support the murder of women and children?

Does Taliban Jack Layton/NDP/Canadian Islamic Congress, etc. speak for you? Are these groups a front for Muslim Islamist terrorists?

Withhold your union dues from the Canadian Labour Congress.

Union members:

Stand up for Canada,

the true north, strong and free. ...-

From the website of the Canadian Labour Congress:

Oct 28 day of action! National Action to Bring Home Canadian Troops.. Learn more from the Canadian Peace Alliance>>>

Jack Layton and all his protesting minions seriously need to unpucker themself before they explode from all that trapped gas.

It is fascinating that this damp squib of a protest of all the usual suspects led the news stories. One could identify any number of demonstrations over the past year that drew much larger and more diverse crowds that escaped the notice of the CBC, CTV, and the major papers.

Perhaps the people who make these decisions at the networks and papers were not in attendance at these demonstrations, but the people that they eat lunch with were.

Ok, Does the CBC ever get its facts straight. One this guy was an Officer Cadet doing Basic Officer Candidate Course, He wasn't training for Afghanistan, Two, He wasn't thrown out of the military he asked to be released so stop making it look like he was fired, he asked to get out and the military was nice enough to let him ( Thank God). Three, he was a reservist, they are not ordered to Afgan, they have to volunteer to go and 99% of the time they have to beg to be selected. ( Not knocking the Reserves they are all good people). Four, In one of his comments he said he couldn't order people to go into dangerous situations in a mission he didn't believe in, well it would seem that he wasn't paying attention during training because Infantry Officers Lead their men into combat i.e. the reason the Motto " Follow Me" exists. Five, How could he be a war resistor if he wasn't even selected to be part of the mission. He was doing training that all Combat Officers do. Either CBC owes all of us and this gentleman an apology for twisting the facts or he is person of such character that the Forces is much better off not having on the nominal roll due to his own self importance and inability to under his role in the Forces. Thanks for the ability to vent Kate.

From CBCpravda this morning.
The video shown Saturday came a day after Castro's close friend and ally, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, said the Cuban leader was walking and taking trips at night into the countryside

maybe he was depositing nightsoil for Dr. DavidSusukis little farming paradise.

Ignore the smelly CBC!

but it's so hard to ignore them when they use out tax dollars to make excuses for these pathetic protests. Left unsaid: these protesters care sooooo much about the Afgan people and Canadian troops that a little rain or snow will stop them!

Would someone please point me to the "Canadian Soldiers are murderers" signs? I can't find them in the pictures.

Very first line:

At the anti-war rally in Calgary today, members of one of the local unions were in full force trashing our soldiers with their screams and chants - Canadian soldiers are murderers!

I was at the Calgary support the troops rally on September 30th. (pics and whatnot on my blog)

It was a bittersweet experience. On one of the finest fall days Calgary has ever had we managed to get 350 people in front of city hall to support our troops. This at the epicenter of the right wing conspiracy.....you know ... the Calgary School and all.

Most Canadians don't give a fuck. When the real shit hits the fan it will invariably fall on the trailer park trash and our few devoted professionals to fix things.

I have not posted on my blog since that rally out of disgust. Quite frankly I hope power corp BOB wins the LPC leadership and the next election. Then the choice will be clear.... Right down the sites.

I am ashamed....In am Canadian.

Syncro

Thanks, Matt.

Taliban Jack and his similarly feathered friends will never wilfully admit the importance of the continued sacrifice by those that serve to protect freedom and democracy in Canada.

They don't even acknowledge the Islamic facism that lives within our own borders. When Canada's 9-11 happens (I don't believe it will be an "if"), they'll blame it on Canadians... The real reason, that the West threatens the rule of autocratic thugs in the Islamic world who murderously use religion to control their people will never cross the lips of Canada's left.

It won't cross their lips because Canada's left does not believe in freedom and democracy. Those ideals oppose their own social engineering agenda that demands brutal population control much like the way it's done in Islamic nations.

A day like November 11th has the opposite effect on Canada's left. Sacrificing for freedom and democracy is what Taliban Jack and his cohorts want us to forget.

Well, since my cat didn't know this was clock roll back Sunday, I thought I'd read the blogs SDA and see what was going on up north. Gee, it is nice to see all those students, union people and cadet washouts having a good (if somewhat delusional) time. CBC had a two minute video but CTV had at least ten different reports. Must have been a slow dog day.

Listening to these poor souls, it is hard to believe they are serious. Things like " Canada has a good reason to be there but not in our current capacity". So what capacity should Canada be there in?

A very junior moonie had a Freudian slip when he said " We want to protect out students,... boys and girls". Translation: mommy, I don't want to go.

Then there was the "we want out troops home. We don't want them to be part of a combat mission". Hey lady, that's what troops do, combat.

But the classic quote and the Cindy Sheehan award goes to cadet drop out who joined last March only to find out that canada was only there as " support of US hegemony in the middle east".

God bless those who died and spilled their blood so these protestors are free to speak out in public.

"In closing, it seems nobody here had anything positive to say about the mission, the soldiers, the importance of our presence in Afghanistan, and the good we are doing by staying."

That's odd Adrian - you must have missed the post on the Military Valour Decorations (or any number of others, for that matter). Are you in the habit of generalizing on the basis of one comments thread directed at those who denigrate our military, or do you just have a problem with short term memory?

Speaking of France, who are not pulling their weight where it counts in the current NATO mission, doing the hard stuff, they are not always the most stable of countries. Next time they get their arses in a bind maybe we'll jst say "non, merci".

Those that demonstrated are certainly welcome to it, though being idiots lead by their chief idiot, certain character in Toronto. "Idiot" being a medical terminology for person that insists on being stuid inspite of having normal inteligence.
As for the reall issue, Canadian soldiers are doing good works in that country and it would be real bad if they had to leave.

Speaking of notable lefty Canadian social engineers that dreams to "convince" everyone to move back into log houses and let starvation solve overpopulation:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061025/wl_canada_nm/canada_life_suzuki_col_1

It's about the fourth or fifth time he's retired. He'll be back in the spring like a bad weed. Of course, Cal2, you already know that.

The CBC crossed the line on Friday and Saturday.

The local morning French and English radio stations, in their "news" bulletins, announced the upcoming demonstrations, stating time and palce locally.

Adrian,

In closing, it seems nobody here had anything positive to say about the mission, the soldiers, the importance of our presence in Afghanistan, and the good we are doing by staying. Instead all I heard was back-slapping and frothing at the mouth, with superlatives and knee-jerk slurs and slogans.

There is a time and place for everything. The previous post honoured some of our heroes. This post is for the moonats. I used to be disgusted, now I'm just amused (when I'm not ignoring them).

It must suck to be smelly...

"Canadian Soldiers are murderers signs"

On the front page of the Calgary Herald is one of the guys who was saying it. They were holding up a previous clipping from a Calgary Herald - "NATO attack on Taliban kills 60 civilians"

I doubt the media will mention that even though a CBC microphone was half-way shoved up the guys ___

And the same goes for the pacifist person. Microphones all over. I'm going to have to start carrying a recorder myself when I go to visit my friends.

yo..syncro...us trailer trash resemble that remark(my 2 brothers and myself served 50 yrs, and yes, we needed a job at the time)...we eventually morphed into those pro's u mentioned...damn fine training....GO ARMY

Stephen at 02:40: When Christ had a dozen disciples and a few score hangers-on, what percentage of the population of the Holy Land did that number represent?

I don't know. I have a better idea of what Christ would have said on the subject of suddenly bailing out on people in need.

The reality is that mainstream media is not changing the way it manipulates and presents the news simply because of the internet entering into the lives of Canadians.
No doubt the media has taken notice but the hard left is deep-rooted in the bowels of the established Canadian media.
All of them!
Recently watching Kevin Newman on Global in Afghanistan showing clips of Taliban shooting at our forces, simply reinforced my view, they are sending Canadians the same message that Taliban Jack Layton mouths every day.
Same thing with CBC and CTV, manipulate the news to the left.
What will it take to get a conservative media voice across Canada?
Only some entity like FOX News in my view, and that may be years away or perhaps never, because generations have grown up in this country never have been fed anything but left wing pap from MSM, thereby believing what they hear, see and read as truth.
The internet is helping somewhat , but I despair as long as the same ownership of the current MSM conglomerates remain as Canadian news disseminators.

Hezbollah has set up shop in Paraguay and Brazil, as well. There are Jews all over the world who must be "resisted," you see.

{MichaelTotten*s view as he points out that courts of Argentina have actions underway to seek justice against Hezbollah for the bombing . . .

**The international movement to turn the screws on the Party of God is only gaining momentum. It now includes a country all the way down in South America.
BUENOS AIRES (AFP) - Argentine prosecutors charged Iran and the Shiite militia Hezbollah with the 1994 bombing of a Jewish charities office in Argentina that killed 85 people and injured 300. **

Let the international pressure against the Fattan build. There will be a tide. I just hope it comes in time.

w.w/MichaelTotten.com

Working towards a Conservative majority = TG

OT but
From cbc on french rioting
"A group of teenagers set a bus on fire Saturday in the southern port city of Marseille, seriously injuring a passenger."
Same story from fox
"A fire started, seriously injuring a 26-year-old woman who suffered second- and third-degree burns on her arms, legs and face.The woman was breathing Sunday with help from a respirator, the Marseille hospital system said. Doctors were deeply worried about lung damage from smoke."
From reuters
"French President Jacques Chirac condemned on Sunday an attack by vandals on a bus in the southern city of Marseille, which left a young woman severely burned and in a critical condition."
From International Herald Tribune (edited in Paris)
"Nothing to see here move along"
No doubt about it. Socialist France is in denial.
Also of note. France is now the second largest supplier of arms to third world countries. The number one supplier is (I know the lefties all believe it to be Amerika and the evil George Bush, wrong) It's that other cradle of democracy (tongue firmly planted in cheek) Russia!

Remember the Support Our Troops rally in Edmonton this Friday at 11:30. Let's show them and their families our support.

Kingstonlad

Someone has to do the heavy lifting so the progressive types can wax poeticaly.

Good on you and your bros....and I assume you understand I used trailer park trash in the finest sense of the phrase.

Go Army....Go Mobile...

Syncro

These protests coming just after a news release from al Queda identifing Canada as a primary target for a terrorist action on the scale of 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, etc.

As an aside, the release also called us "second rate Crusaders" and a nation of "fanatical Christians."

The NDP, various marxist and communist parties, Islamofascists, various gay and lesbian groups, and unions have come together with the only logical common denominator being anarchy and the destruction of our country.

Sounds like revenge of the rational and moral rejects to me. The unfortunate part is Canada's leftist media giving them a voice.

"If I wasn't such a pacifist, I'd put my fist in your fucking head."

- pretty much summarizes the mentality of this debouched rabble.

It's increasingly difficult to consider these types sentient, and therefore part of the human race.

Stockade? No. Zoo? Yes.

Soldiers are exercising their right to choose for freedom.
God bless our troops.

"In his post, Richard implicitly claimed to be on the side of 'understanding' and putting things in their proper 'perspective.' Yet, without even addressing anything at all of the substance of the anti-war demonstrators' position, Richard dismissed their views based on 1) the number of the demonstrators relative to the population of the city; and 2) their union affiliation."

Had you been paying attention to the actual post Stephen, you would have seen that it was ALL about numbers and that I was on topic.

But I think the basic point still stands: pace Richard's implication, being one of only a few people to say something that contradicts the majority view does not make you wrong or a 'moonbat.'

No, continually saying something that is wrong, in the face of unsurmountable evidence, makes one a moonbat.

Doing so while representing a labour organization makes one an even bigger moonbat.

"In his post, Richard implicitly claimed to be on the side of 'understanding' and putting things in their proper 'perspective.' Yet, without even addressing anything at all of the substance of the anti-war demonstrators' position, Richard dismissed their views based on 1) the number of the demonstrators relative to the population of the city; and 2) their union affiliation."

Had you been paying attention to the actual post Stephen, you would have seen that it was ALL about numbers and that I was on topic.

"But I think the basic point still stands: pace Richard's implication, being one of only a few people to say something that contradicts the majority view does not make you wrong or a 'moonbat.'"

No, continually saying something that is wrong, in the face of unsurmountable evidence, makes one a moonbat.

Doing so while representing a labour organization makes one an even bigger moonbat.

oopsie... sorry for the double post...

Of course civilians are going to get killed, the Taliban cowards hole up among civilians, women and children, it's part of their strategy. They want to get the most bang on the sympathy scale, they do not care about human life, theirs or anyone elses.

Who falls for it? The Loony, Loopy Left. Jack and Alexa, and Dawn , The Moonbat Trio.

It is always interesting to note that the Taliban want our troops out of Afghanistan while Jack Layton and these left wing loser protesters also want them out.

Interesting, but not particularly surprising.

"If I wasn't such a pacifist, I'd put my fist in your fucking head."

And seeing as how much you're a peaceful, non-threatenting terrorist sympathizer, I can see why.

I have come to the conclusion that only when they start looting our stores & murdering citizens here . Will the left even begin to understand the peril where in today. If not the population as a whole. Triumphism has played its part in thinking where invulnerable.

Our win over the Soviet dictatorships have created a climate of hubris. This has allowed the illness of self righteousness smugness to the point of utter unreality. If we are to avoid another dark age we had best gird ourselves for a long siege.

I had hoped it would not end in millions dying, but it sure looks headed that way because of the refusal of some, to see reality beyond there personnel code of belief. God Bless the Canadian Troops.

A CNN to a CBC that they will continue this intentional farce. That these will be the first to turn informant if conquered, or to spy on there fellow Citizens. Be sure of it.

There will be plenty of quislings. Mostly all from the left no doubt. S well as the craven.

Hey , if you can ignore the grievous wrongs done to certain Muslim Women, while yelling for there rights to kill babies. Ignore the fact that they have no unions. That there is no equality of law. That Gays are food for the sword.

Nothing is past doing by these deluded souls. Who will try to save themselves at the expense of others lives.

Our own Myths & foolishness by utopian fantasists, pretending to be democrats. While enforcing draconian PC laws & multicult stupidity. Will be the breeding ground for collaborators being intimate with opportunists. Time will tell. Just my opinion.

"Pathetic, I heard one guy shouting about no more war for oil!! Ummmm hey dipstick, Afghanistan doesn't have any oil!!"

No, it doesn't. But it is strategically important in an oil-rich region and on a much-coveted oil pipeline route.

Exile,

Hey, maybe you're right, Afghanistan is an important oil pipeline route. But why not exterminate the Taliban and al Queda at the same time?

BTW, do you drive a car?

YO Adrian..don't dirty up this site..go back to the filth of Mclelland's evil domain,and STAY THERE !! GO ARMY !

As George Bush said it - this is not a war between civilizations, but rather a war for civilization.

The anti-war protestors would be only too happy to see UN troops pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. That way, the centuries old religious and tribal carnage would go on, unobstructed by the UN forces. But the lefties would not have to worry about that in the least, because their media hacks would soon lose interest in reporting anything over there. Out of sight, out of mind - that's the lefties' philosophy on life.

It's so amusing to read about the vast left-wing conspiracy that is the MSM. CanWest Global and Bell Globemedia a front for socialism (which using the logic of most here is the same as Islamic fascism)? Asper and Thompson pinkos? Haha. Faux News honest reporting? Hahaha.

Perhaps you've noticed that reality has a certain left wing bias. And since a moonbat is supposed to be someone who refuses to acknowledge reality, I guess that makes most small dead minds...moonbats.

Eh? Reality has a left wing bias? Only someone truly indoctrinated could say something so profoundly stupid. The reality in Afghanisatn is that if we stay people are going to get killed, and if we leave MORE people are going to get killed. That certainly doesn't sound left-wing to me.

The CBC and the progressive Canada ruiners are continually showing us that the french experiment and the resulting multi-culturalism experiment have gone far enough and do not work.

Canada is losing its soul and we need to have a referendum as to whether Quebec should stay in Canada or not.

Canada is america meaning we are the loyalist americans to the throne. And you CTV and the progressive socialists have tried to reinvent us and reinvent who we are. And were almost succeeding to a certain level but the Islaamic Fascist have thrown a monkey wrench into your plans. And if Canada further looses and if she does not rediscover her identity as american loyalist we are history finished kaput. We need to support the war against terrorism and be faithful to our word and commitment.

Quebec has to be asked to go and find her own way. She is french and has no reason to be held loyal to the British crown. We need to re understand who Canada is we are the loyalist Americans to the British throne.

How many soldiers and civilians, underground members, spies and many others have died in past wars so these terrorist supporters can demonstrate. How many more will die so they can continue to sleepwalk thru life. If you know where they work, boycott the business.

Perhaps you've noticed that reality has a certain left wing bias.

Reality has no bias. Bad choices, on the other hand, does certainly have a left wing bias.

Bad choices...can be made by left or right. The current problem, the unwinnable "War on Terror" was made by Mr. Bush, who just happens to be right wing. That it's unwinnable by conventional military action is becoming quite obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head stuck up their ass...even many high ranking military people think so and are saying so publically.

So what do we do now? We can't stay, we can't leave and we can't nuke 'em. The West has made a bad problem worse by thinking that all it would take to make the Islamists behave is a good bitch slapping.

History has proven that occupying Afghanistan is doomed to fail. But now that Stevie has hitched his wagon to George for the long haul things will be different, eh? The definition of insanity is doing the same things the same way over and over again expecting a different result.

Some quick points Ibernia;

1. This is not a "conventional military action", if it were we would not be conducting reconstruction and aid initiatives at the same time as warfighting.

2. This is not an "occupation" either, NATO has been asked by the duly elected government of Afghanistan to help in reconstructing and rebuilding the infrastructure of the Afghani State.

3. The parralell you draw to historic conquests of Afghanistan does not hold water. It is not a conquest and even if it were, neither the Brits nor the Russians had the support of an elected Afghan government and by inferance the support of the majority of the Afghan voters in their conquests

The problem here is that we in the west have become so used to things being easy. It is easy for us to live, hardships are few, there is plenty of food and work and wealth. So now that we are involved in a war where things are not exactly sailing along at an easy pace, some of the people, whom I call the Fat Dumb and Happy crowd are wondering why it isn't so easy. They begin to question if all the effort is worth it. They look around and smugly note that they are still Fat, Dumb and Happy and because the hard work going on isn't impacting their Fat, Dumb and Happy existance they write it off as useless.

The Fat, Dumb and Happy are oblivious to history, they forget that everything that they have is due to the hard work of others. They forget that every "right" they have was fought for and won by someone who was not allowed to be Fat, Dumb and Happy until the work was done.

By the way, another definition of insanity could be seeing things that are not realy there.

The dangerous problem with leftoids like Iberia and his mentor, Jack Layton, is they forever criticize, but offer no logical alternatives.

Jack Layton demands the troops out of Afghanistan.

Then what Jack?

Send them to Darfur.

What, we invade Darfur?

Oh, uh...hmmm.

However, I do think there needs to be better thinking on Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't see the 'long war' idea as good strategy. All out, short and brutal war starting in terrorist strongholds would be smarter. Kick the shit out of them without concern as to what the CNN, CBC or the BBC crowd thinks. Annihilate the bastards. Afghanistan, the same thing. Tell Pakistan we're going to bomb the shit out of northern Pak tribal areas until every single last one of these scumbags are dead.

The war against terror is BS as well. Rather, it should be called what it is: The war against radical Islam, or The war against Jihad.

This is a war of words as well and as such 'The religion of peace' must go. For the rest of the world, there is nothing peaceful about Islam.

Barring all of the above:

Get the hell out of Islamic lands. Cut off Muslim immigration and travel. Heavily monitor and force integration of Muslims already here. Give no charity or handouts to majority Islamic countries. And use the money that otherwise would've been targeted for war and security, to develop alternative, made at home fuel sources.

Let the primates live in their primitive, uncivilized culture and finish each other off. And let the rest of the world live out our lives without these savages.

Irwin Daisy, IMO, you missed two important necessary requirements of western nations(regardless of whether the Islamo terrorists are mopped up, or if the west simply withdraws and leaves them to their own miserable devices) and these are:
1) a strenghtened anti-ballistic missile defence system, including perhaps space based lasers,
and
2) much strenghtened (homeland) security nets around each and every western country.

Because either way, these fruitcakes will eventually get their hands on nuclear weapons and they will use them against us. Nuke warheads on ballistic missiles, and/or 'suitcase' size nukes smuggled into our cities, they will do as they have threatened. It's just a matter of time.

WHAT IF THEY GAVE AANTIWAR PROTEST AND NOBODY CAME?

Joe Canuck,

Agreed.

Also, a strong deterrent would be required. Like, one more terrorist attack against the west and you can kiss Mecca goodbye. Given that the Haj is one of their five pillars, nuking Mecca might just end the whole filthy cult. And what terrorist organisation would want to be responsible for that?

It seems apparent that the tentative half measures, cautioned by what the media and polls say is no way to win this, or any other war. It is also emboldening these apes.

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