This could be fun. Add to Feminism's contributions to us:

- made me load a gun on Super Bowl games in anticipation of my beloved husband beating me to death at half-time.

- helped me realize that burqas are a whimsical fashion statement rather than a symbol of oppression.

- has given me the option to abort any inconvenient pregnancy like the woman that didn't want to have morning sickness nausea on her Carribean cruise.

- the right to remain as a non-productive slob in any job once I envoke sexual harassment charges.

- cry rape on any guy that I'm having sex with on a regular consentual basis, but, whom didn't acknowledge how pretty I am fast enough.

- keep custody of the kid's by accusing husband without merit of sexually abusing them.

I hope I'm doing this right. My God, looking at what I've written, I need to go hug the grandsons. Witches are real, children. Yikes.

Feminism costs Canada an estimated 60 billion dollars in lost productivity, nearly 5% of our GDP. Because businesses and governments are forced to hire women of lesser qualifactions over men, and our education system discourages men from fulfilling their full economic potential, and obscene family law effectively bakes a smaller economic pie for all, our economy suffers immensely.

Free sex and more free sex, and no responsibility. If I'm just an opressive rapist, why do they keep saying "yes" ?

Thanks to feminists for:

Providing copious ammunition to sexists that women really are inferior to men intellectually.

Making me (a woman) question the wisdom of giving the vote to women.

Thanks, Kathy. I can add some,

-established an ideology akin to a theocracy, rejecting debate and dissent and promoting a whole generation of women unable to do anything other than follow The Party Line - or be excluded and defined as 'not a valid woman'.

- set up an ideology where women can do no wrong, and men can do no right, within a theme of women as perpetual victims and men as perpetual abusers, ignoring the violence carried out by women against women, against children, against men.

- defined Life, and the embryo, as a commodity, an object, meant to be 'purchased' or 'rejected' by the personal whim of the woman. And only the woman. This ignores that humans are not objects; are not commodities and that the human being is a product of both the man and the woman. The feminist rejection of the man's equal contribution to the new life, and their transformation of life into a commodity, an object, is reprehensible. It also is hypocritical, for the feminist slogan is that the 'woman' is not an object'. But, feminists have done exactly that with children; they are objects.

-Spent millions and millions on irrelevant 'research' to 'prove their point' about women as victims. When analyzed, this research is nothing more than selective descriptions and subjective conclusions, without any validity in fact and databases.

-Utterly and completely ignored the real abuses of men and women, carried out within the Islamic fascist communities around the world.

oh, as the father of 3 daughters, let me tell you what the fem moonbats have done for us
1. lobbied for equity legislation in ontario that resulted in their father losing his job
2. provided protection for a boozehead mother, up to, and including defending her in court
3. created legislation that makes it almost impossible for the father to get custody, unless the mother is a crack ho(even then it is debatable)
4. lobbied to close private day care(which i needed badly), yet never did provide any spaces to replace the ones that were lost
5. basically has made me out to be a cave man because of the fact that i was a soldier, have a few tatoos, and i do not take any crap from any pseudo govt org.

"Made me feel more guilty about having sex with a man than the "evil" Catholic Church ever did, or could."

"Womyn" having sex with men? ewwwwww. Gross! ;)

If we're talking of the original women's movement type of feminism, I'd like to thank them for the opportunity to work in a traditionally male job. I'd like to thank me for making the most of that opportunity.

If we're talking about modern feminists, sorry, nothing good comes to mind. Others can and will list the bad.

Femisnism has brought women a culture of death .
For trying to destroy the male of the species.
For making boys feelly badly for being boys.
Foe helping destroy the family.
For making a mockery of the word equality.

Femisnism has brought women a culture of death .
For trying to destroy the male of the species.
For making boys feelly badly for being boys.
Foe helping destroy the family.
For making a mockery of the word equality.

Can't think of anything worthwhile...but:
1) Made ordinary men to be cast as demons who exist for the purpose of beating, raping and otherwise exploiting women.
2) Took most of the fun and spontaneity out of the workplace.
3) Got a lot of very good teachers fired for daring to challenge the tongue clucking finger waging scolds of the Political Correctness movement.
4) Made the civil service and many private businesses less efficient and more costly to run through "equity" hiring programs.
5) Got a lot of otherwise un-employable people into nice comfy jobs for which they are not qualified.

1. Denied me children by convincing women that pregnancy is an illness.

2. Germaine Greer.

3. Fulfilled my prediction that feminists would respond with a campaign of "What feminism has done for me".

4. My first wife.

5. Made me see the light about socialism so that now, I am a full fledged member of the vast right wing conspiracy.

Very powerful points ET.

I doubt that any "progressive" blogger would have the same view.

I'd personaly like to thank femminists for;
being called a sexist for opening a door for a lady
being treated like a potential rapist in my dating years
being told off by a female co-worker for offering to help with shared duties that involved heavy lifting
having the neighbor ask my wife if I was beating her because she heard me playing loudly with my kids
having my job threatened because I walked in on the cleaning crew in the MENS washroom

You have my sympathies, kingstonlad.

1. Feminism has ensured that men are the new Ni**ers of North America.

2. Feminism has ensured the epidemic breakdown of families.

3. Feminism has created epidemic numbers of neglected latch-key kids.

4. Feminism has encouraged child poverty in Canada by encouraging marriage breakdown and marginalizing fathers.

5. Feminism has then stepped in, with government funds, to “fix” the problem of women and children living in poverty, for which they, themselves, are responsible.

Feminism stinks.

For all their aggressive militancy, why don't contemporary feminazis declare war on fundamentalist Islam?

Do they not care at all that under pure Islam, the very existence of women is often barely even tolerated?

Aren't they at all concerned with the international spread of fundamentalist Islam?

Why do they instead want to wage war against Free World males, taking away mens' rights all the time? Like some kind of sexual fascists or supremacists?

Feminism today has nothing whatsoever to do with "equality". Oh, no... they want to be artificially superior to men, at taxpayer expense.

SoW should've had ALL funding cut off. As long as there are no taxpayer-funded mens' groups, there cannot, under the Charter, be taxpayer-funded womens' ones.

I thought we were already equal. So why SoW? Let leftists prove it's necessary, not just call the gov't "mean-spirited". Hell, leftists are as mean as hell themselves!

The critique of unreason

Stephen:

Excerpt:

"It is an unfortunate aspect of this age of emotion and subjectivism (one woman’s opinion is just as valid as those of dead males Voltaire, Plato, or Adam Smith) that we have lost the ability to argue why our way is the best, or even whether “the best” is determinable in a random and capricious universe." ...-

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2006/09/critique-of-unreason.html

I predate the feministas and was one, the old-school kind, before they started making money out of it and warped it into a kvetch fest. Unlike these Janie come latelys I

1. Consider my sex to be irrelevant in terms of my success or failure in the workplace or elsewhere.
2. Expect everyone to be treated equally based on their merit or lack thereof not attributes they received at birth.
3. Have always got a kick out of people like Marilyn Monroe, Dolly Parton, even the Legally Blonde kid, because they are funny, have talent and can laugh at themselves - all the way to the bank.
4. Like men and prefer to hang out with them because they usually discuss subjects, not other people.
5. Don't blame my failures on anyone but myself.
6. Couldn't care less if anyone else agrees with me.

I wish to thank modern feminists for introducing me to the wonders of postmodern philosphy, and its agenda to snuff out the enlightenment.

Without postmodernism, I would never have known that rationality, empiricism, civil rights, and free enterprize were all tools of the oppressor, a huge smokescreen to prop up the white, eurocentric, militaristic patriarchy.

I mean, who woulda guessed?

'Ever wonder why the public education systems of this country are really soft on tough kids? Just look at all the female--aka feminist or feminist indoctrinated (I think I could almost have more respect for the former)--principals.

Like, "I Feel Your Pain" Clinton, these coddled women see problem kids as victims, while ignoring the multiple victims of these politically entitled barbarians.

Feminism exalts fictions while real people suffer. This ideology is as much a loser as fascism and communism and has created at least as many victims.

The CPC cuts to the feminist hypocrites and oppressors in this country is good news indeed. The only choice they've ever supported is their own anti-men, anti-children, anti-family, anti- genuine women agenda. When left to fend for themselves on the political scene, they'll, quite thankfully, disappear.

Five things feminism has done for me

1. I now regard women as I do men. No special courteseys

2. I expect women to work every day like men.

3. I don't expect women to cry when things go badly.

4. I expect them to understand infidelity.

5. I expect them to put up with the same shit I expect my male friends to put up with ... farting, burbing and swearing.

BTW, those "progressive bloggers" over at Dust My Broom, where this list started, belong to the Blogging Tories'! They've got a post there now, about the Canadian border guards in BC who are wimps.

They're "progressive" in that they're a lively bunch, but most of their threads would fit in here. They've got their finger on the pulse of what's wrong in Canada and they're open to ideas about what to do to fix it...

Kathryn said it best ... the first wave meant alot and opened doors that I could never have walked through. Good for me to actually take that walk ... It's a tough world when you're a female in a man's world, but what a great life.

Modern feminists ... just a pile of crap spews forth from their lesbian cake holes. They most definately don't speak for me and can't possibly understand my life.

Thanks to feminists for:

1. Turning women into sex objects.
2. The millions of unborn babies murdered.
3. My tax dollars wasted on frivolous research.
4. The rage against men.
5. The rage against women.

In other words ... thanks for NOTHING!!

Author: Ridding Women

Liberals succeed in ridding women from leadership campaign. ok they are keeping the token Margaret Finley or whatver her name is) but as usual no woman in seniir positions for the Liberals.

7 white men 50 - 65 years old.

same as always pretend they are inclusive and keep all the power in the same band of white 60 yer old men

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voy forums

The best parodies are the self-inflicted, real-life ones: "Punctuating his talk with haiku, lifelike animal grunts, and raven caws, (barefooted David Abram) lamented what he sees as the greatest problem in history: that we evolved...into creatures who could speak and communicate with one another."

I...take his point.

BS Does Zwinky. ...-

Stronach doesn't want her private life public
OTTAWA (CP) - Liberal MP Belinda Stronach is refusing to comment on allegations that she's a marriage wrecker but says lurid media reports about her role in a high-profile divorce point to a sexist double standard. ...-
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Sorry! 'Missed a link to where this list REALLY started. With Polly Jones. Good grief.

I've been blogging too long today...pie-eyed...

I hope Ms. Jones is checking out SDA. She won't like what she sees!

Feminism has done nothing whatsoever for me. Rather it stands in sharp contract to my own life experiences and has been a clear roadmap of what not to do and how not to conduct oneself as a woman!
Time has not improved either their agenda or their outlook on life. They have been successful in:
Getting money from the government they should never have been able to garner.
They have enjoyed political clout they did not earn nor should have been given.
They tried and succeeded for years in making the 'stay at home' mom feel ashamed of her real desire to actually stay at home and raise her own kids. Of course, if she continues to work and pay for 'daycare' , it advances the feminist agenda to institutionalize our children rather than have them raised as they were born to be raised: at home by a parent.
They have excoriated the male sex and to what extent and with what result??: The male sex is not made to feel he is an equal half to a whole, rather an inferior drone of society existing only to 'make a living' and they have made sure that if a woman marries a man she gets to live off the fat of that land forevermore, no matter what the divorce documents say. AND ensure the courts act in favour of women out of all porportion to the facts laid before the judge.
Men have suffered as a sex in society ever since.
And continue to suffer.
This is not to say that individual cases can bely the norm, in both the women's issues and the men's issues.
Suffice to say that IF a man and woman divorce the best interests of the children, if any , should be the main focus and issue and all the legal ramifications should point to that ( oh, they SAY they do) rather than the woman making sure she gets the lion's share of any settlement out of all porportion to the realistic advancement of the children's rights and proper upbringing.
Often men are outcasts prevented from even seeing their kids. The woman gets the home and a generous settlement to see to the kids upbringing. What they often get and do not deserve is the 'spousal' support.
A woman in this day and age should reasonably expect to support herself after a generous amount of time for her to re-establish herself if she has been out of the workforce for some time.
All too often, what is asked for and indeed granted is a settlement out of whack with the circumstances presented at court.
Lies get told, women hold up other women as 'responsible' for the marriage breakdown.
We are not supposed, in law, to address that as an issue, only that the marriage has broken down and now we address the issue of how fairly to split the assets and see to it the kids are well looked after ( and THAT includes dad being involved in that upbringing rather than just being the cash cow and ostracized and demonized otherwise).
We have feminism to thank for that kind of thing happening here and in the states. And all it accomplishes is to ensure family breakdown. ((even in divorce families can and do ensure a co-hesive family unit) but the feminist and aggressive anti-male mindset makes it that much harder to achieve.

maz2 updates us on BS (BTW, Belinda means beautiful snake...hmmm...): "Belinda Stronach is refusing to comment on allegations that she's a marriage wrecker but says lurid media reports about her role in a high-profile divorce point to a sexist double standard. ..."

What double standard? Everyone's been as scathing about Tie Domie as they have been about Belinda. Feminism has given BS a great alibi in the "double standard," but you were there, and everybody knows it...

It taught me that boys can try out for girls teams.

Apparently feminists have also kidnapped and muzzled Andrew Coyne, who has thus been unable to update his blog in over two months.

Thank you feminism for taking my work (motherhood at home) and turning it into something that society thinks is something I should be able to do outside a 40 hour week in paid "important" employment.

Gee... Thanks. So. Much.

I will add my own thoughts to the list. Feminism has caused...

...me to feel less than a contributing member of society because I choose to stay at home and raise my children the way I feel they should be raised. I know I am doing the right thing for me and my family, but growing up in the 80's and 90's, I have doubts in the back of my mind that have nothing to do with reality. Instead it is due to the constant rabid feminism in schools and media while growing up.

...others to look at me at me with pity or as if I am a freeloader because they think I could not hack it in the workforce and therefore have to stay at home. People automatically assume certain stereotypes about me when they find I am at home.

...people to think that caring for other people's children is not a real job, although I give receipts, have expenses, pay taxes, just like any other self employed person.

...other people to wonder what I do with "all my spare time". My first daycare child arrives at 6:15am and last child leaves around 6:00pm. But this cannot possibly keep me busy because they cannot imagine there being any real work at home, because the only real work is in the workforce.

...me to realize that "my choice" does not really matter to feminists and even threatens them because it does not go with their agenda of the tough working woman who tramples on everyone, even her own family, to get what she wants. I am only making a choice if it is the choice they would make. Otherwise I must be opressed and downtrodden.

Da Wife and all mothers who work(ed) at home--I had to pursue work outside but would have rather been home with my kids--I salute you. Well done! Many blessings.

For all of the complaints that feminism - on its very little lonesome - turned an individualistic, can-do, independent culture into a culture of whiny victims, there sure as heck are a lot of whiny victims here complaining that they are helpless.

Pretty funny actually.

1. Cause a lot of VietNam guys like me with names like "Hondo" to talk a lot about marrying Asian women.
2. Make Michael Kinsley be regarded as the sexiest man in Washington, D.C.
3. Create the metrosexual movement.
4. Turn Wellesley, Sarah Lawrence, Vassar, Radcliffe, Agnes Scott, Smith, and other universities into havens of lesbianism.
5. Create the "LUG" phenomenon (lesbian until graduation).
(and a special bonus item:)
6. Cause it to be respectable to go out with a guy on campus, go to bed with him, and then charge him with rape if he doesn't call the next day. (got the last one from Camille Paglia)

Barf, barf, barf: Cherie arfs. ...-

Sorcerer’s apprentice learns a harsh lesson
The Herald - 40 minutes ago

YES, it's Cherie Blair rhyming slang. "That's a lie" (let me by). "Gordon is a moron" (got to put some more on). "I'ma stupid prat" (what a silly hat). The attempts by Mrs Blair's spokespeople to claim that ...
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Where do I start?
1. I would like to thank the femenistas for lowering the qualifications standards and thus the competitiveness of Canadian industry.
2. Making women ignorant of the fact that a baby also shares the mother's body during pregnancy. Since the mother's body is the baby's too it's right to choose has been taken away.
3. Throwing out the father in a family and replacing his responsibilities with the state. The state is to be the father: bring in the money, protecting the family, providing baby sitting when necessary, helping raise the kids, etc.
4. Making women look like idiots in commercials so that they can be on the same level as the males who were suppose to be the idiots in the first place.
5. Making motherhood a bad thing. The state, through its unionised baby sitters, knows how to raise your child(ren) better than you.

The worst that has happened is the feminisation of the schools that makes school irrelevant to boys; thus the increase in the dropout rate for males. This explains the larger number of women enrolled in universities and why there are so few male teachers in elementary schools.

CBCpravdas second top story. goes along with that juvenile hockey that we have to watch in the womens olympics. wretched.

Sisters win legal battle, but fail to make boys' hockey team
Last Updated Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:31:40 EDT
CBC News
The twin sisters who won the right to try out for their high school boys' hockey team after a long legal battle failed to make the squad after final cuts were announced Tuesday

Da Wife: Your five points actually made me teary, as it brought back all the slights and glazed eyes of "professional women" looking for others to talk to at a party when I'd tell them that I stayed home to care for my kids, back in the '80s.

Here's another list of five "gifts" the feminists gave me:

1. Duped me for ten years, beginning at university, into the dystopia of trying to be “equal” to men, by living as hard and fast as some of them: unhappy, unhealthy place for women.

2. Made me into a militant stay-at-home mom.

3. Made me an activist in trying to get the government to see how lop-sided and unfair their taxation policies were towards families with a stay-at-home parent to care for their kids: equal pay for kids of equal value. Tough sell, given all the feminists in the government.

4. Made me realize that this idea that women are better than men–for, unmasked, that’s the radical feminazi agenda in academe, the media, and government–is a crock. Made me very distrustful of women who claw their way to the top, convinced that they are “entitled.”

5. Made me certain that because kids, more than anything else, need a consisently caring and available adult to help them through the first years, the one agenda concerning their care that’s going to result in an epidemic of neglected kids and Clockwork Orange is the feminists’ blueprint for daycare: universal, government-funded holding tanks for kids--paid for by OUR tax dollars.

Hang in there, Da Wife, you're doing the most important job in the world. And when the feminists and their hateful and demeaning propaganda are getting you down, think of the people who love you and how important you are to them. That's what really counts. That's the only thing that counts.

Who said anything about being "helpless," Ted? I haven't a clue, really, what you're talking about.

I hear A LOT of justified frustration with being pushed to the back of the bus by the piggies-at-the-trough feminists, who don't seem to have a clue how "the average" Canadian woman lives--most of us not being entitled to government grants and perks--but helplessness? No way...

Please explain.

They have the right to enter mens dressing rooms.

Im waiting for the new supreme court ruling from the "extended interpretation" that insists that they get urinals as well. right now there are an excess of gunners in the womens washroom and not a single urinal.

but wait!!! what light through yonder cubicle breaks. its is the beast , and Juliet has her own.

http://rox.com/pix/womens-urinal/

First off, First wave feminists are inspirations, and I thank them regularly for my rights as a woman. There are countless women over the last century who have used these hard-earned rights to follow their dreams and live independant lives, in spite of modern feminism's attempts to brainwash them into dependence or power through marxism.

I HATE how modern feminists call those of us who disagree with them "anti-woman". It is my view that first wave feminists would be saying "um, neither women or men have real property rights in Canada today....." rather than "where's the lesbian welfare state to support weak women?"

Modern feminism:

1. Made me promiscuous in college and caused me to view this as empowerment and equality.

2. Caused me believe that killing unborn babies was just a sterile medical procedure crucial to my rights as a woman.

3. Caused me to view an alternate viewpoint, whether held by a male or female, as "masculine"

4. Caused me to believe that rationality and reason were masculine oppressive concepts, and as such negative.

5. Caused me to believe that I never wanted to have children, because they would enslave me.

Such good news on the cuts to SoW! Gwen Landolt has worked many years on trying to get the info out about the waste of taxpayers money.She deserves applause!
Feminism has taught me the importance of 'choice'
- I made the 'choice' to give up my career to stay home with my kids.
- my husband didn't'force' me to stay home...he encouraged me with my 'choice'
-if a man 'chooses' to hold the door open for me I am thankful
-I can 'choose' to be feminine and successful, instead trying to belittle masculinity.
-I can 'choose' to not have sex if I 'choose' to not be pregnant.

Ted, your assertion that there are "a lot of whiny victims here complaining that they are helpless" is ludicrous.

Back it up, man.

What I hear is strong, proud, independent-minded women, and those who support them, who haven't bought into the Zeitgeist. (Psst, I've taught a lot of kids with language processing problems. I'm sure I could help you out.)

1. For forcing the promotion of females beyond their abilities, just to get females promoted, and thus giving companies the right to point their fingers at the failed females as a reason not to promote us competent, qualified females, therefore setting us back 10 years or more.

2. Making only "working" females valuable to society.

3. Making MOM's think that they do not matter, because they do not "work".

4. Being intolerant towards people who do not agree with them, especially on abortion.

5. Making the rules so that the 100 pound female firefighter is the one going up the ladder to rescue the 250 pound man!

Oh, and the metrosexual, as mentioned in a post. What the heck is a metrosexual, and why would any self respecting male want to be one??

I'd like to thank feminism for teaching little boys that's its wrong to act like little boys. The resulting being a generation of men, who have no idea what a man is supposed to be.

The hand that rocks the cradle.

What is a metro sexual?
A guy who doesn't have the stones to be a real man.
Hopes to impress women with progressive style non-threatening sexuality. In other words pretends to be cool with the whole sexual ambivalence thing in hopes of getting laid!

They've shown me: (I saved the serious one for last)

~ You need more than a cat in your life.

~ A good man is not a figment of your imagination.

~ A clean house is the sign of an idle mind. That or you can afford a house keeper.

~ If you have kids they can be your meal ticket if you work it right.

~ Choice should be about soup or salad, not life or death.

pretends to be cool with the whole sexual ambivalence thing in hopes of getting laid!

Hey, it works!

K,
"anti-SoW blogburst (which helped cut $5-million from the Status of Women budget -- heh)"

Your claim that the blogging had anything to do with the Conservatives cutting of a pro-woman program, is about as baseless as me claiming my email to the Transport Minister last week is why they are relaxing the rules on fluids carried onto planes.

I, for one, still give all women the benefit of the doubt. I open doors for them, let them on and off the elevator first and try not to cuss around them - unless I know them well enough to realize they don't mind and will cuss back without hesitating! :-)

I guess I'm old school.

If some women don't appreciate or respect that, then they will certainly reap what they sow.

And what is all this about Tie Domi and Belinda??
I heard she was paintin' the town ( New York) with ole Slick Willy!! Where DOES a gal have the time?? Two husbands, a jilted Peter McKay, and now Bill Clinton and Tie Domi??
If this is any indication of her judgement, she ought not be running again in Newmarket-Aurora...oh, now I think of it..Daddy's money will fix all ills....
Then again, regarding judgement, she DID cross the floor from the Conservatives to the lyin' libs... I guess you really are known by the company you keep...

Men are so afraid to open doors for women now that they do not do it even when it makes sense. Either that or they have never been taught how to do it because it is no longer "done" in our society.

I took my kids to the zoo on the weekend. It is made up of pavillions and therefore many doors, not all of which open automatically. You have no idea how many times I had to struggle with a double stroller through a door. Only the older gentlemen opened them for me. I had two younger men walk right through a door that I propped open through a feat of acrobatics for my stroller. Women had no problem opening a door for me.

In my case the need to have a door opened had nothing to do with entitlement but basic common sense.

Da wife: common sense and common courtesy.

When my kids were very young and I was struggling to keep a door open with one foot while pushing a stroller through it, and someone cavalierly walked into the store/bank as though I was holding the door open for them, I'd loudly call after them, "YOU'RE WELCOME!" Most of them didn't get it.

Another time, when struggling with a big, heavy door and a stroller, and a whole lot of young, able-bodied passersby completely ignored my plight, who stopped to help me? A crippled, elderly man on a cane. I figured that with his handicap, it gave him eyes to see with.

We're heading into darker times--we're already in dark times--because the barbarians are not only at the gates they've invaded the citadel. When public civility is no longer practised, you know we're fast sliding down the slippery slope into the muck.

been around the block: hear hear. I did make a loud comment about the animals on display having more manners than people, but those two to whom it was directed to didn't even stop and probably did not get it.

This has been going on for a while. I remember taking a school trip in grade 6, in the 80's, where we took a public bus. I gave up a seat to an older lady. Another kid in my class took the seat before the lady could sit. I told the kid to get up and give it to the lady. The teacher yelled at me that it was my problem I gave the seat up and he allowed the kid to sit in it while the older lady had to stand.

I had that discussion just the other day in a grade 7/8 class, about young people standing up in a bus or subway to give their seat to an older woman or a woman with children. The kids' facial expressions reflected bemusement: They weren't offended that I was suggesting this to them, but they weren't quite sure what to make of this "old woman" telling them to give up THEIR seat.

I could tell that this was quite a new idea to most of them.

To H*ll with the Neanderthal teacher who didn't support you, but chose to take the side of the young barbarian. There are far too many of these "teachers." My G*d, if a teacher's job doesn't include teaching children how to live in a civil manner, then we've failed miserably.

Unfortunately, I think the failing miserably side outnumbers the pro-civilization side...Kyrie Eleison.

Keep doing what you're doing, Da Wife. Your own children will have a fabulous role model and you will positively influence more people than you know. I believe in the power of one.

Hey, Ted, come out, come out, wherever you are!

You haven't explained your comments about "helplessness." You've been handed a challenge. Be a man and answer it.

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream."
Rush Limbaugh

Been around the block: you are a child. And if you are the one badgering me with anonymous and some non-anonymous emails over a silly temper tantrum you can't get over, you are a helpless child.

As for "helplessness", I refer to all of those who claim that feminism "made" them do things they didn't want to: like caused them to be promiscuous, like caused them to be rude to men, like caused them to treat women discourteously, like caused them to believe things they don't any longer, etc. etc. etc.

All these people whining that before feminism came along we were all upstanding citizens but then, poof, along comes feminism and they just started acting differently, they were helpless in stopping their own behaviour.

Pretty funny actually.

You conservatives should really develop some backbone.

Ted

And you know what, just as an added bonus for all of you, I'll tell you 5 great things that feminism has done for me and my life:

1. made me a better dad: parenthood is not just woman's work and it's not just about handing out allowance or throwing the ball around or driving to hockey practice. It's about getting the bottle in the middle of the night, hugging your kid when he scrapes his knee, sitting down and helping him learn to read, being there with him before being somewhere else (work, pub, hockey game, etc.). Feminism has completely changed fatherhood for the better.

2. made me a better husband: being a husband is not just about a paycheque anymore and that's a damn good thing. My life is so much more enriched by having a deeper equal relationship with my wife. That doesn't mean we share every duty, but it does mean we are a team.

3. made me a better citizen: We forget how hard feminists had to fight just to even be allowed to vote or sit in the senate or get elected or get hired or even to own property in their own name. That everyone deserves a vote and a right to participate in our democracy, to own property, to work at whatever level, not just propertied men. As I look around the world, and particularly the work Canadian men and women are doing in places like Afghanistan, I'm reminded of the heroism of feminists in our history.

4. made me more conscious of crime: specifically crimes against families such as assualt, abuse and their affect on society as a whole. Some would say that merely recognizing sexual assault as a separate category from assault is to make society a "blame men" society; others like to focus on the fact that such recognition and ensuing discussion totally ignores the women who assualt, yes all 3% of the cases. Whatever. Doesn't change the fact that at one point in time, sexual assualt and abuse of spouses and even of children was not even considered a crime. But for the bravery of some feminists, it would be still so.

5. made me appreciate that "strength" comes in many different forms, not just brute force.

From: http://canadiancerberus.blogspot.com/2006/09/5-things-feminism-has-done-for-me.html

Well, one good thing about feminism, the unattractive women who promote it aren't reproducing.

ted - your outline of what feminism has done for you, is invalid, because it isn't feminism that is the sole basis of your behaviour. As you yourself said, feminism didn't change good behaviour to bad. Equally, it didn't change bad behaviour to good.

The reason that you are involved with your children's nurture is related to early but not current feminism, which enabled an ideology that relaxed behavioural differentations between men and women in the household, such that men could be involved in household and nurturing, when before, it was considered the women's prerogative and men who attempted to be involved, were derogated - by both genders.

As far as violence by women is concerned, your claim of 'only 3%' is completely wrong. Statistics show that women are equally as violent as men. Got that? The famous Straus and Gelles study, begun in 1986 and followed by lots more, showed that the abuse experienced can't be differentiated by the gender of the abuser. That is, women are equally as abusive as men, and in addition, are far more likely to abuse their children.

As for your claim that feminism made you a 'better husband', that's insulting to all the decent men who were excellent husbands before feminism. Do you seriously have proof that before feminism, men were bad husbands? Of course you don't. And that includes the depth of their emotional and intellectual involvement with their spouses. To suggest that both factors were lacking 'before feminism' (BF) is BS.

As for being a better citizen because of feminism, I think that you should not ignore the work of men, many men, who fought and worked to lay the infrastructure of that citizenship which you ascribe only to women. These include democracy, the rule of law, the separation of church and state, the dev't of the middle class - all values developed by men. The inclusion of women into the 'citizenry' was not carried out merely and only by women - and was related to a change in economic reality, where the economy changed from a male-labour intensive to one where physical labour was not the driving force of the economy.

Kindly remember that family abuse is not asymmetrical, with women as victims and men as abusers; the gender factor, in study after study, is symmetrical. And again, women are far more likely to abuse their children.

Indeed, strength comes in many forms. One of them ought to be scientific integrity, with conclusions based on fact not fiction.

Ted,

Certainly there are some good attitude changes that have occured because of feminism. However, today those changes may become moot because of the intolerance of the modern feminist movement. The cause has gone beyond equality into a very ignorant and ugly realm.

The promotion of hatred towards men.
The discriminate promotion of lesbianism over
hetrosexuality.
The stifling of opposing opinions.
Ignoring the plight of Muslim women.
And in fact, promoting Islamic attitudes towards women.
Etc.

Modern 'feminism' is nothing more than another socialist front group promoting closed and discriminate group rights over the rights of the individual. And as such makes strange alliances (Islam) in order to defeat their opponents. Equality is no longer the cause.

Irwin Daisy:

You know what is funny? All these people claiming that "early" feminism was ok but "modern" feminism is only about promoting hatred of men, stifling opposing opinions, promoting homosexuality.

You know why that is funny? Because in every "stage" of feminism, the critics have trotted out exactly the same old arguments. Don't you get original? I guess the promoting Islamic attitudes towards women is new... a complete and obvious invention... but new.

ET:

I don't think I've ever seen you be so personally insulting.

Where in my list do I say husbands and fathers were bad before feminism? Where do I even say that the gains of women was only advanced by women?

Classic classic partisan shilling. A person makes a personal statement about what they personally believe about themselves, and all sorts of lies and insults are extrapolated.

Thank you for the historical psychoanalysis of why I think the way I do, but I don't believe that Freudien claptrap pushed out there by you academics.

That list is the 5 things feminism has done for ME - for me, ET, not for every man or woman, for me. Who the FU-K are you to say that I am who I am because of your beliefs? Have we even met that you know why I am who I am? Isn't that exactly - EXACTLY - the type of projecting analysis that conservatives have been (admittedly often accurately) critical of pop culture analyses?

So yeah, as I read and came to understand feminism, it did have those impacts on me. It did make me re-think the role models I had in my life as to how to be a husband/father/citizen, how I viewed what was a crime and how that affected families, and how I valued personal strength as well as brute force.

Only a moron like yourself would suggest that anyone believes their views on life are shaped by a single source, so of course there were other influences. But feminism had a real positive impact in these areas of my life. And it is you who has done the insulting to tell me otherwise.

ET, to ignore the contribution the women's rights movement made to Ted's life today, is akin to claiming that WWII didn't affect someone's life today because they don't know anyone who fought in it.

Omigosh, that article on eco-feminism is HILARIOUS.

If Rosemary Radford Reuther thinks there are too many people on the planet, why doesn't she perform the ultimate act of piety and off herself?

"a complete and obvious invention..."

Really, Ted. I'd like you to show one example where the feminist movement has taken a stand against Islamic oppression of women.

I can certainly show you examples of them promoting the burka as empowering to women.

As far as the other examples of what modern feminist organizations promote (and you so easily dismiss because it's not in your 'belief' system), why not look at the projects the group in question has funded, as well as the projects they haven't.

As for your ridiculous response to ET - perhaps your 'feelings' wouldn't be so easily hurt if you based your arguments on facts.

My experiences are facts, Daisy, when the subject is me and my experiences.

Read Ms Magazine once. There will be a lot you object to in there, indeed there is a lot I object to, but there is always a section on what readers can and should be doing to "liberate" Muslim women. Most of them just don't think that a choice of a woman to wear or not wear a piece of fabric over her head is as big a deal as you do. They respect that person's freedom of choice do choose for themselves in that regard.

And as for SWC research, what do conservatives have against funding research into how drug regimes affect women's bodies differently than men's. A ton of great research has been funded by SWC on woman's health and it all started with the realization that the conclusions of many pharmaceutical and medical studies had a higher representation of men and therefore were not accurate for prognosis on women in terms of effectiveness, concentration levels, etc. Heart medication is a prime example: because of the help of SWC, women have better heart medication because it is more precisely targetted for their bodies. Is it only SWC? Of course not, but when funds are short and few are paying attention to these kinds of things, every bit of information and funds is critical.

That's just one example of what the Conservatives have tried to stop.

Ted: I never send anonymous e-mails to anyone: 'never have, and never will. It's a cowardly thing to do, and I am not a coward.

As for the five things that feminism has done for you--and thanks for contributing them--I'm happy for you that the feminist movement seems to have helped you.

My husband does all the things that you do as both a husband and a father, and I can assure you that it's not because of the feminist movement. He shares my distaste of the radical, government-funded feminists' tactics and putdowns of women who put much of their energies into their families and communities as volunteers--which is not to say that women working outside the home don't do both, in case I'm accused of "being against" working mothers.

As for feminism having "completely changed fatherhood for the better" there are many disenfranchised fathers facing bankruptcy after their wives have decided on a more fulfilling future outside of marriage and their husbands have been unfairly treated by the courts, many without equal access to their children. I come from a single-mom family, but my father visited regularly. He would have been heart broken, and so would I and my sisters, if he had been denied access to us.

Ted: I have not read all the comments yet so someone may have mentioned this already but I do not think anyone here is complaining about the original feminism. The one that gave women the right to vote and have equal rights. Have the choice to get out of the house, etc. Made you and other men better fathers. I think the complaints here are the rabid modern feminism that has caused many to hate men, forget about the importance of family, and forget about common decency and manners. The type that is no longer about equality but about an agenda of very few extremists that happen to get lot of airtime that is doing more harm than good. The type of feminism that does not recognize my "choice" to stay at home with my children because to them it is not a valid choice they agree with.

Ted, not to dogpile here, but you started it. First, you state "Feminism has completely changed fatherhood for the better." That is not a statement about YOU. "Doesn't change the fact that at one point in time, sexual assualt and abuse of spouses and even of children was not even considered a crime. But for the bravery of some feminists, it would be still so." And here you state a 'fact' and attribute that fact's change to feminism. This isn't even stated as an opinion. So what the hell is up with the bellyaching about ET's response. Just because you stick "me" at the start and then trot out pseudo-facts, no one is allowed to question it?

It has made ME wonder about people's sense of community and responsibility. If feminism is what it took to make men better dads, husbands, citizens, etc., I think it says less about feminism and more about the character of those men. And that is irrefutable, because I have attributed this comment to "me and my experience."

Ted, since you claimed that feminism had made you a 'better father and husband', then, by definition of the term 'better', what went before was worse. And your descriptions of 'the way it was before' were certainly descriptions of 'bad father/husband'. Are you going to now claim that those descriptions, which you reject as showing 'better behaviour' are actually examples of 'better behaviour'? Or 'worse/bad behaviour'???? Remember, you provided those comparative descriptions of the way 'not to be a parent or husband'.

I don't believe Freudian analysis either, and I didn't advance even one argument based on such.

Ahh, so now you claim sanctity against critique because your comments referred only to YOU. That's invalid. You made the correlation between 'feminism' and your life. Therefore, even though the result of feminism referred only to yourself, this act, of suggesting a causal link between a common Ideology and a result, moves that causal link into a legitimate area for criticism. I critique the causal link.

Since you are now saying that the relationship is only singular, then - how can you show that this relation is not purely and only subjective and has no validity in fact????

You've reduced the relation to pure subjective fiction. Therefore, when this fiction is challenged and I say that it is a fictional and not a factual relation, you shouldn't be outraged.

What about that only 3% women who abuse??

Saskboy - that's a specious argument. To try to prove a linear relation between X and Y, requires that Y is actually affected by X. If Y has multiple causes, then, how do we know that Ted was affected by X as feminism or X as something else?

Actually, Ted, an individual experience is NOT a fact; it's only a random piece of data. It can be just 'noise'. It only becomes a FACT when it has moved out of randomness and into a correlation that is valid and reliable. Subjective individual experiences are not facts, no matter how emotional you get about them.

The burqa is not an individual choice, and for feminists to move it out of an authoritarian rule into the realm of individual choice shows how ignorant they are about the religion. There is NO individual choice in Islam; the dictates of the Koran, which include dress, are direct from God. Individuals are deemed unworthy of making individual choices. Have the feminists taken up that topic? Or are they busy spouting ignorance about it.

Nonsense; the Conservatives have not tried to stop gender based medical research, just as they haven't tried to stop other research using exclusive population variables, i.e, people with specific hereditary diseases and how they react to drugs; people of different ethnic backgrounds and how they react to drugs.

"Ted: I never send anonymous e-mails to anyone: 'never have, and never will. It's a cowardly thing to do, and I am not a coward.
...
As for feminism having "completely changed fatherhood for the better" there are many disenfranchised fathers facing bankruptcy after their wives have decided on a more fulfilling future outside of marriage and their husbands have been unfairly treated by the courts, many without equal access to their children."

Posted by: 'been around the block at September 27, 2006 12:26 PM

A non-coward who won't use their name. I like that. It's really quite revealing in a round about way.

As usual, the motivating factor is anger over divorce settlements. Nothing new there. What is new is how many truly disgusting sentiments there are in these comments. How about these two examples from someone/something calling itself 'penny':

"-has given me the option to abort any inconvenient pregnancy like the woman that didn't want to have morning sickness nausea on her Carribean cruise.

- the right to remain as a non-productive slob in any job once I envoke sexual harassment charges."

If there are any positive elements to 'feminism' or any change in thought or attitude that affects our culture...why would it have to be supported by tax funds?My successes, my choices, my degree of independence and my relationship with my family have nothing to do with a government agency in Ottawa.The whole SoW issue is about funding. Why do they need our money?

Hey Budd, Using a handle in lieu of your name in a public forum is a heck of a lot different than sending anomymous e-mails. You just have to read the news to see that people have been fired from their jobs and worse from just stating an opinion on-line. That is a sad fact.

" someone/something calling itself 'penny'" I really think you have sunk low to take cheap shots like that, but then again you probably thought that was funny.

Who the H*ll is Budd Campbell? A new kid on the block????

I'm getting the creepy feeling that "Budd Campbell" is a pseudonym...just a thought.

Budd Campbell appears to be another rabid example of the left, who rather than present a rational argument, takes pleasure in calumny.

How are these two examples you chose "truly disgusting" there Budd?

I'd like to see this guy's brain burn out trying to answer that. That's if he even possesses a brain and if so, can put up with the smell.

"How are these two examples you chose "truly disgusting" there Budd?

I'd like to see this guy's brain burn out trying to answer that. That's if he even possesses a brain and if so, can put up with the smell."

Posted by: Irwin Daisy

Put up with what smell? Are you drunk, or do you just mix metaphors as part of your frantic dedication to delusional, far-right thinking?

It's clear to any decent person what's disgusting about them. The piece by penny belittles serious matters in the lives of others. Unwanted pregnancy is not a trifling matter, and neither is sexual or other harassment in the workplace. penny, in a deliberately dishonest attempt to portray people as purely political actors rather that real citizens with real interests and real problems, tries to paint women seeking to end pregnancies they cannot support or women wanting to end harassment on the job as make believe whiners. Her portrayal is totally dishonest and penny knows that. That's why it's disgusting. It's a cowardly fabrication.

1. made me a better dad: parenthood is not just woman's work and it's not just about handing out allowance or throwing the ball around or driving to hockey practice. It's about getting the bottle in the middle of the night, hugging your kid when he scrapes his knee, sitting down and helping him learn to read, being there with him before being somewhere else (work, pub, hockey game, etc.). Feminism has completely changed fatherhood for the better.

I was all that without feminism.

2. made me a better husband: being a husband is not just about a paycheque anymore and that's a damn good thing. My life is so much more enriched by having a deeper equal relationship with my wife. That doesn't mean we share every duty, but it does mean we are a team.

Again, I was all that without feminism

3. made me a better citizen: We forget how hard feminists had to fight just to even be allowed to vote or sit in the senate or get elected or get hired or even to own property in their own name. That everyone deserves a vote and a right to participate in our democracy, to own property, to work at whatever level, not just propertied men. As I look around the world, and particularly the work Canadian men and women are doing in places like Afghanistan, I'm reminded of the heroism of feminists in our history.

I never suppressed any women's rights, and besides, all that was achieved in this country before feminism.

4. made me more conscious of crime: specifically crimes against families such as assualt, abuse and their affect on society as a whole. Some would say that merely recognizing sexual assault as a separate category from assault is to make society a "blame men" society; others like to focus on the fact that such recognition and ensuing discussion totally ignores the women who assualt, yes all 3% of the cases. Whatever. Doesn't change the fact that at one point in time, sexual assualt and abuse of spouses and even of children was not even considered a crime. But for the bravery of some feminists, it would be still so.

I'm no history expert, but I'm not aware of any time when sexual assault wasn't considered a crime (in this country at least. Maybe in a country with shraia law it isn't) And 50% of asaults between sexes are done by women. They just seldom get charged.

5. made me appreciate that "strength" comes in many different forms, not just brute force.

Knew that before feminism too.

You know Ted, what you wrote just sounds like someone writing an essay as a project for school. Doesn't sound real at all, just platitudes.

Budd,

She's obviously talking about people abusing abortion rights and benefiting from serious, although false accusations.

Is the smell getting to you yet?

Regrettably, men like Budd Campbell and Ted have obviously not adjusted to a world in which women do their thinking for themselves.

Unfortunately, there are still a few Neanderthals who become very uncomfortable when women display an equal opportunity to both think and courageously express their opinions.

ET and Penny, as well as other women on this site (including Her Kateness) have long since thrown off the shackles of oppression that men like Budd Campbell and Ted would impose on them.

Well, it's a new world, and I'm afraid these fellows are simply going to have to try to come to terms with the fact that women are not going to walk in lock-step with their intellectual demands. If Freud is unsuitable, perhaps psychotherapy from the point of view of Jung or Adler could be helpful.

Budd,
She's obviously talking about people abusing abortion rights and benefiting from serious, although false accusations.

Is the smell getting to you yet?

Posted by: Irwin Daisy at September 27, 2006

No, Irwin. Not even close. She is not talking about people abusing anything, she is just being abusive and dishonest herself, making things up. And the smell of her overwhelming dishonesty, and the smell of people defending this kind of rhubbish is obnoxious, no doubt about that.

"ET and Penny, as well as other women on this site (including Her Kateness) have long since thrown off the shackles of oppression that men like Budd Campbell and Ted would impose on them. "

Posted by: Greg in Dallas at September 27, 2006

In the middle of some seriously offensive crap, this light-hearted bit of fantasy is rather funny. It kind of reminds me of the sort of gentlemanly sounding Bush-Lite stuff that a guy calling himself Tony Bounds used to post in the old alt.feminism forum about six years ago.

"Saskboy - that's a specious argument. To try to prove a linear relation between X and Y, requires that Y is actually affected by X. If Y has multiple causes, then, how do we know that Ted was affected by X as feminism or X as something else?"

ET, this discussion is taking place because KS is incapable of realizing that our state of X has been brought about because of many Y causes. Removing feminism from Y, could potentially have left her in a world where she'd not be permitted to use the Internet to publish her thoughts for strangers, simply because of her gender.

Budd & Saskboy:

The new mysogynists - another happy product brought to you by post modern feminism.

Budd: Penny stated examples of abuse. What is so hard to understand? And how the hell did you arbitrarily make up all the other crap you've read into it?

Saskboy: So what you are saying is that women are completely incapable without feminism?

Congratulations. You've managed to insult the majority of women, now and throughout history.

Irwin, get off your high horse.
Obviously most feminists are women. A woman taking charge of her own destiny, not going by only what men and society's norms tell her she has to to, is a feminist.

Women throughout old Western history were incapable/ineffective politically, and as a social movement, before women were enfranchised, and subsequently sexually liberated. To not notice that is an insult to the majority of women throughout history.

I'm no history expert, but I'm not aware of any time when sexual assault wasn't considered a crime (in this country at least. Maybe in a country with shraia law it isn't)

No, you're not an expert. Sexual assault within marriage, for example, was legal (de facto if not de jure) before the 1970s in most states.

Knew that before feminism too.

Just how old are you, anyway?

I note that you claim that women gained the vote and the ability to sit in the Senate "before feminism" which would make you either ignorant or a liar.

You know Ted, what you wrote just sounds like someone writing an essay as a project for school. Doesn't sound real at all, just platitudes.

As opposed to all the objections to feminism raised in this post and comment thread. Those all lack platitudeness, for real!

YOU SUCK FOR PUTTING A PICTURE OF A DEAD GOPHER! =( *CRY!*