The first two items that I read this morning:

Ghost of a Flea:

http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/008521.html

Bryan at Hot Air:

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/11/five-years-on/

Today is my son's very first day of school. Now that I think about it, September 11 2001 was everyone's first day of school.

And it's a damn shame that so many out there are failing.

With apologies, Kate, I don't normally self-promote, but for those who want a more personal reminder of the significance of this day, take a side trip to here
and come back and try and put it all together...

I’m going to re-post a link to a picture that says it all: http://tinyurl.com/gspv3

For years I worked next to the American consulate in Toronto. The Friday after September 11 was a rainy one, and as I left work I could hear something going on next door, so I walked north and saw across the street at the Ontario courthouse an assembly of 100 people or so.

There was a guy with a bullhorn saying stuff in Arabic, punctuating it every now and then with “Allah akbar!”, which the crowd repeated.

Here were a bunch of Muslims celebrating the tragedy of earlier that week. I stood there sending them “f you” thoughts; I hope they picked up on it.

Next week the better people of our society left flowers and stuffed animals in front of the consulate. A teddy bear had a note attached to it saying that it should go to a little boy or girl whose mummy or daddy wouldn’t be coming home.

My brother-in-law, returning home to California, flew out of Logan the very morning of the attacks, but fortunately wasn’t on one of the hijacked planes. His plane was re-routed to Birmingham, Alabama. He arrived with no luggage, and it took him the better part of a week to get home. He was one of the lucky ones.

Frank J (IMAO) writes:

"Not only can Democrats not stop terrorists, they can't even stop movies about how they can't stop terrorists."

Seriously, some people are more upset about a movie about 9/11 than they were about 9/11. I _don't_ approve of the liberties taken with the truth in the show (impressive as it otherwise is) but a sense of proportion would help...

Between the burn-the-witch hysteria on one side and the fictionalized "facts" on the other, everybody looks like an idiot.

I remember that feeling that all I had stressed about on Sept. 10 or prior seemed so insignificant,so trivial. What really mattered was put in to better perspective...hugs,love and time with family.There were so many things to be thankful for.Sadly I've slipped back to my old ways...and need a few nudges once in awhile to remember what is really important.

It's no great accomplishment to commandeer a plane and fly it into a building. It is a great accomplishment to be able to build that bulding from iron ore and energy, and to be able to design and build that plane.

Before you blame 'intellectual rot' in Canada, look at this poll of Americans. It doesn't look like Canada is unique. (http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll):

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

yes. all______so_____very______poiniant.

when are americans going to rise up and demand their successive governments, dems and repubicans alike, STOP supporting oppresive regimes for decades the world over, which forments the rage and fuels the hate, from within the citizenry of those far flung nations?

maybe then things will turn around. but no, in the true exploitive process, as exemplified by halliburton, it is 'good for business' the 'business' of selling arms to the oppressors, then selling services back to the american government when the guano hits the fan: witness iraq, once staunchly supported by the americans when they were duking it out with iran, post-ayatollah and pre-kuwait.

did you people never play that game 'connect the dots' when you were a kid?

Todd, right on cue, cannot accept criticism about Canadians without arguing that Americans are worse.

Careful everyone, Jack Layton's going to be mad at you folks. Telling the truth is not appropriate in Canada. Hating America is in as is loving terrorists.

Our world changed forever 5 years ago.
I compare it to a child whose innocence was torn away by a self serving pedophile. No regard for the victim, only the interest of the attacker being the focus.
No matter how much we would like, we can't go back...and we can't forget.

Matt, two local journalists tell me that the National Post and the Star took photos of that local Muslim celebration, but have never dared to publish them.

You obviously didn't understand my point. My point was that Canadians are not unique in this point of view, bogus as it is. You criticize me of arguing that Americans are worse. I criticize you of always saying that Canadians are.

"did you people never play that game 'connect the dots' when you were a kid?"

Sure. But I lost interest and moved on at around the age of 5, like most children who eventually begin thinking like adults.

So, Mr. Still Playing With Dots - what happened in your case?

I think what stuns me about 9/11 is the sheer pathological perspective, not of the conspiracy nuts, for they will always flock to the irrational - but of the perpetrators - Islamic fascism.

How does the mass murder of civilians, not between nations at war, but by unaligned individuals,accomplish an agenda? Above all - What is the agenda? I can't come up with one.

It isn't about 'Freeing Islamic Nations from the Western Colonials', for the Islamic Nations are repressed by Islamic leaders not by the West. It isn't about setting up a 'nation-state' of Islam, for they already have that. So, what's the agenda?

That is why I consider that Islam as an ideology is in a pathological state; it has one focus - the repression of life for all people and a focus on the delights of death. Period. That's psychotic.

Rather than deal with this death-cult in its midst, and reform this ideology, Islam chooses to set up a red-herring, the West, and attack the West. But, the pathology is within Islam. Nowhere else.

A society based around a death-cult cannot exist except as a 'kept' society. Since it rejects reason and insists on its people operating only by emotion and faith, then, it cannot deal with the realities of daily life - the economy, housing, medicine, etc. Islam haven't had a scientific innovation since it began. The Islamic nations are 'kept'; that is, they are not self-sufficient but exist because they purchase modern technology by the raw resources of the land on which they sit. Even to extract those resources, they require Western technologists.

Rather than reforming Islam, enabling the people to reason, question, analyze, Islam is trying to prevent reform by attacking the West. That, to me, is the agenda. The prevention of the much needed reform of Islam by setting up a 'straw man', the West.

Kate....excellent post. I believe the post of Michael Ledeen is particularly apt cosidering the news that has come out of the the NDP convention of this past weekend. Jack Layton, with his smug little smile, calling for the government to pull the troops out of Afganastan. Now there is one person that Michael Ledeen's article absolutley lays bare. A quasi intellectual with political ambitions. In other words a "FOOL"! The one thing that makes my nuts about the NDP is their insistence on saying "Canadians" or "ordinary Canadians" support their anti-war, anti-west policies. The latest Ipso-Reid poll shows that at least 51% of Canadians support the mission. Doe that mean 49% of "Canadians" support those fools? In their dreams. With the likes of Jack Layton at the helm the NDP are forever doomed to be a footnote in Canadian history. Thank God!

"My point was that Canadians are not unique in this point of view"

I didn't say they were.

I was linking to an item on a Canadian poll.

And I was just highlighting that this is a common feeling around the world. I'm not sure if we are really arguing on anything.

"9/11 is just a very roundabout form of 'payback'.".....t. schmuck esq. from a thread yesterday.

3000 innocent human beings died horrible senseless deaths this morning 5 years ago.

Why don't you slither back into your hole. Anyone with a brain and the most minimum amount of human decency would suspend their troll game today.

Your slimey appearance, which made its debut yesterday, is a desecration of those good folks that died. Those decent folks that bore you no ill will.

Creep.

The pathology of the left is its inability to deal with globalization. The facts are that modern technology has 'shrunk' the previous spatial and temporal zones of the world; they are now irrelevant; we are all connected.

The left has dealt with this sudden influx of previously isolate differences by postmodernism, which is a mechanical reaction to 'difference' by refusing to recognize that such even exists. It's the famed 'ostrich-head-in-the-sand' tactic, and the only winner in the exchange is the sand.

Factual rather than fictional life requires that we recognize and evaluate our reality. Globalism requires that we evaluate whether or not a newly contacted society can live with us, or must, in order for both of us to remain 'as we are', remain isolate. The problem is, that these newly contacted societies have no wish to be isolate from us; they want our inventions, our technologies. What do they offer to us? Certainly, nothing from the mind; merely the raw resources of the land they happen to inhabit, which they themselves don't know how to access (eg Zimbabwe's reverting back to peasant agriculture).

The left refuses to acknowledge reason, science, technological advances, it refuses to evaluate whether or not a technology can only support a minimal population. It is completely 'flummoxed' by globalization and doesn't know how to deal with differences in technology, economy, political mode. Nothing. For the left, a society that stones women is identical to one that votes them into high political office. No difference.

Now, an individual who cannot differentiate, who cannot reason, who cannot evaluate, has to be defined as 'handicapped', as mentally deficient.
That's the left - and they have chosen this lifestyle because it is easy. Feeling is easier than thinking, for feelings require no comparison, no analysis, no knowledge. That's the left.

U of S Political Science prof?

My experience of the U of S was that the PoliSci dept. competed with the Sociology dept. for the prize of being most foolishly utopian; the English dept. running a hot third place.

The "American Foreign Policy is to Blame" meme is getting really old. America has always struggled between a "manifest destiny" view and an isolationist "republic" view, but has remained the greatest force for wealth and freedom this sorry world has ever seen.
Nonetheless, mixed signals in foreign policy do not justify mass murder as a legitimate response.
Do we blame French foreign policy for the Nazi invasion? Do we blame Canadian or British foreign policy for the Imperial Japanese actions in Hong Kong?

These fools need to give up on the blame-game, it's history now. The future is what matters, and it's ours to make, good or bad.
What will the year 2040 look like? A loose planet-wide federation of free democracies, or a world-wide Caliphate? We as individuals must make the choice now, and act on it, or someone else surely will.

"God fights on side of heaviest artillery"
-Robert A. Heinlein-

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/09/jack-be-nimble-jack-be-quick.html

"While Taliban Jack is running around screeching like a chimp that peed on a live wire, Stephen Harper is taking action."

Once again, Stephen Harper steps up. Tanks to Af'stan... about time.

I was at work the day of September 11, and I’ll never forget nor fully understand the reaction of many of my co-workers.

Our floor had over 100 people on it, all with PCs and well-used Internet access.

I spent the whole morning meeting with two others at one of their desks. If that day was any different from any other, you sure wouldn’t know it. There was nothing to indicate that anything was going on. As a consequence, I only found out about the incidents after the fact.

Finally around 11 am a garrulous blonde walked by and casually mentioned that another plane was down.

WHAT?

Oh yeah, and one of the towers was down.

WHAT? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

So she walked us backward through the events of the morning, and I was in utter shock; the only thought I had was that this was the end of the world.

But up to that point none of my nearby co-workers had uttered so much as a peep that anything extraordinary was going on. I don’t think it was shock – they would have at least traded comments over the cubicle walls, I would have heard SOMETHING. But I didn’t.

Perhaps this is wrong and perhaps it’s not nice, but I’ve concluded that they acted as they did due to an inbred Canadian mousiness/boringness that infects many Canadians.

"The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be."

The good liberal solution to this, Todd (may I call you Todd?) is to enroll them in anger management classes, preferably, funded by the government.

Thank you, Skip, for the links.

It's so painful to watch those images again. The violence and senselessness of it all. I think of all of the fatherless children now, parents that buried children, young widows, the bravery of the firemen.....

There just isn't much else to say today.

ET “The pathology of the left is its inability to deal with globalization”.

The Islamists will eventually implode, but meanwhile they’re exploding and dangerous. They are helped by our enemy within –the Taliban Jacks.

You would think that the transnational left would welcome globalization. The twist is that while freetrade and globalization improve everyone’s standard of living it doesn’t make things “equal”. The left suffers from envy. So they hate globalization as much as the humiliated failure if the Islamists. Therefore, what 9/11 has done is make it clear that the left and the Islamists had formed an axis. We have 2 enemies to fight.

WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE

Mad Mike is absolutely correct. History might be a good read but is meaningless. We only have the future to look forward to.

Even ET the rightist takes on leftie characteristics with all that egghead ranting. Your assumptions are correct but do nothing to advance the good fight.

GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND DO SOMETHING

I would definitely say Jackass Jack and his followers are in line with the old adage of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I would say the devil, if there is such a thing, and al-Qaeda have a good bed partner.

I remember being woken up early on 9/11/06 by a call from my son. We were living in Calgary at that time and although I can't remember why I was not at work, might have been burning off some overtime acrued... I don't recall, I can remember tuning into the site of a tower burning and then watching the second aircraft hit. It was then I realized this wasn't an avaition accident but something much bigger.

I remember feeling a bit numb, wondering who or what is going on. An attack of some sort? From who? That feeling you get when you realize that something profound has happened to your life that will change it signifigantly came over me. That loss of innocence feeling when you realize you are grown up, Santa Cluase doesn't exist and the world can be a mean, ugly place.

As the days progressed I was proud of Canadians helping, taking travellers into their homes and also embarassed at our dipwad of a Prime Minister acting and sounding like an idiot when we needed some true leadership.

Reading this thread it suddenly struck me, one very important point. The talk about one civilization, culture being or feeling superior to the others is dismissed by the liberal left but, by laying the blame for all this on western society are they not implying that the islamofacist civilization cannot come up with a reason for hating the west on their own?

Today, I try to ignore the conspiracy nutbars and instead think about those who gave their lives, intentionally or not, for the free western civilization most of us have tasken for granted.

Being critical is not a bad thing. I would go so far as to say it is an essential quality for any good citizen.

I've been accused of being prejudiced. That is, of pre-judging a situation.

I beg to differ. I have looked at this ongoing struggle long and hard and I have made a judgement. It would be more accurate to call this post-judice.

When did critical thinking become such a bad thing anyway?

Thanks Kate for making a place to come to every day for a little sanity in the Leftist sea of insanity.

I noticed that CBC aired 9/11 conspiracy theories last night. Even my liberal leaning girlfriend was appalled.

I will NEVER watch CBC again.

I love the bit in Sibleys essay from Sheila Copps.

"Former Liberal party leadership candidate Sheila Copps, for example, was recently quoted as suggesting the terrorist roundup in Britain is a conspiracy. "Could it be that this whole thing was an orchestrated overreaction to steer public attention away from the difficulties facing the Bush-Tony Blair fight on terrorism?" she asked."

I think it was Mark Steyn who said that Sheila Copps has to take her pantyhose off to count to twelve.

Personally, I think Ms. Copps and the Libs and the CBC and the CRTC are responsible for a dumbing down of Canada that is quite remarkable.

Ms. Copps and co. will try to shut up and shut down those who do not agree by smearing others intent with shadowy accusations. It is both despicable and predictable.

She never recognizes Canadas' true allies or her real enemies. Sheila is too busy banning American books and TV and spinning Liberal and NDP left wing multicultural stories, which IMO are also very often American based. lol

IMHO stupid Liberal and NDP policies have led to a lack of an investor class in Canada that just increases our economic dependency on the USA.

Also, I actually watched the CBC for a little while last night (!) but the commercial for the hockey special coming up that has that clip of the Canadian Womens player crying while saying "The Americans had our flag on the floor" was playing over and over and over.

It drove me nuts and so I turned the channel.

I wonder how many times the CBC audience will hear that memorable and all important moment in Canadian hockey history repeated today.

What I advise you to do is this: email the CBC by all means, but more importantly, pick up the phone and call your _local CBC affiliates_ and tell them so.

t. schmuck esq. said, "witness iraq, once staunchly supported by the americans when they were duking it out with iran, post-ayatollah and pre-kuwait."

t. schmuck, get your head out of the CBC's azzcrack and do some independent research. Hussein was never "staunchly supported" by the US. You need to blame the "foreign policy" of Russia, France, China and others for the blood on Hussein's hands. Those were not American weapons he was fighting with. Know what you're talking about before you propagate LIES!

Imported weapons to Iraq (IRQ) in 1973-2002

Country $MM USD 1990 % Total
USSR 25145 57.26
France 5595 12.74
China 5192 11.82
Czechoslovakia 2880 6.56
Poland 1681 3.83
Brazil 724 1.65
Egypt 568 1.29
Romania 524 1.19
Denmark 226 0.51
Libya 200 0.46
USA 200 0.46
South Africa 192 0.44
Austria 190 0.43
Switzerland 151 0.34
Yugoslavia 107 0.24
Germany (FRG) 84 0.19
Italy 84 0.19
UK 79 0.18
Hungary 30 0.07
Spain 29 0.07
East Germany (GDR) 25 0.06
Canada 7 0.02
Jordan 2 0.005
Total 43915 100.0

Furthermore, regarding US foreign policy in the Middle East, the most contentious issues are the fact that we buy oil from those who sell it (like every other freaking country on the planet), and that Israel has a right to exist. Real contentious, IF YOU SUPPORT ISLAMIC FASCISTS.

I've been reading a bit this morning about the "2996 Project" (I wish I could point you to it, but the site is off line, due apparently to failing to attend to a renewal (or designed to expire today)). Michelle Malkin has quite a bit on her site, and Chris Muir, who provides the daily cartoon for mine, is a participant.

I wish I would have known about this sooner - I would like to have participated in this for the Canadians lost in New York. Anyone know if they were included in the project? - I would have to assume so, hopefully.

Todd,
I speak for many of us: STFU
You pathetic lefties have every other day of the year to spout your nonsense.
enough

KoaL: Re: "WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE...GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND DO SOMETHING". I find this comment racist in tone. This is not a "whitey" versus "darkey" issue. This is a "rational human being" versus "ignorant religious zealot" issue. We need to view the problem clearly, not muddy the waters.

And what is it that we should be doing? We are trying our best to support the Conservative Government of Canada in defeating the HezboLieberals and the Non-Democratic Party...what else would you have us do? Public stonings or beheadings?

"'We must do something' is the unanimous refrain. 'You begin' is the deadening refrain."
-Walter Dwight, The Saving Sense

Before 911 bush was an isolationist after 911 lefties blame foreign policy for the attack's. Wanting to withdraw from world affairs caused it???

Moonbats aside

America attacked,
http://attacked911.tripod.com/

kevin cosgroves 911 call
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/27/video-kevin-cosgroves-911-call-from-the-world-trade-center/

It's a day where you remember exactly where you were and what you were doing when you heard the news. I was making school lunches when my husband called from work to tell me to turn on the TV.

Lickmuffin: It was my youngest son's first day of kindergarten this day five years ago. So I remember it for two reasons.

I remember all the youthful innocence at the school that day, full of excitement. I remember the parents, some of whom, after the kids had gone in the classroom, stayed outside to talk. Many were saying "Oh My God, what will happen next?" I remember walking home and wondering if things will ever be the same again. I knew in my gut that they would not.

How cozy and protected we felt before that day. And I think to myself now and I would say to the terrorists if I could, "You will go to hell, you disgusting terrorists. And when you get there, you will rot and burn. Say heil to Hitler when you get there. Nothing you could ever do would make me convert to Islam. You will not make me cover my head and wear a burka. And in spite of all your disgusting threats, my family and I will live a happy life."

And shame on all the lefties who have not yet woken up to this real threat.

Besides commemorating the tragedy of 9/11, today re-confirms why the war against Islamic fundamentalism is critical. I just hope Harper is in power long enough to undo the Liberal de-militarization of Canada.

http://www.cjunk.blogspot.com/ has a moving memorial and commentary worth viewing.

I have shared this day with my older children, so they clearly understand the significance of 9/11 and know our enemy. I want them to be aware of all viewpoints, not just the sanitized or Leftist skewed propaganda they will most likely be taught today in school/university.

IMO, the September 10th mentality in the West is a product of Western liberalism. It's manifested via three prongs.

First, the Western liberal politicians-so prominent, vociferous and destructive-in the American Democrats, the Canadian Liberals and NDP; British Labour; other Anglosphere and European left wing parties.

Secondly, the pervasive saturation of liberals in the West's MSM. We've read much about that and discussed it at this very blog.

Third, the most ominous for our future, the pervasive saturation of liberals in most of the West's educational establishments.

All this has militated to create a vast fault line running through all of Western Civilization. The rational and open-minded being mostly on the moderate and conservative side; the irrational, fact and history-denying being mostly on the left side.

That's my conclusion, anyhow. Anyone have comments on it?

I walked by the American Consulate today at lunch. There were two tables set up out front and they were strewn with cards and bouquets of flowers.

The cards contained heartfelt messages, many of which were handmade and written by a child’s hand with things like “God Bless America/George Bush/Canada/Stephen Harper.” Little self-portraits of themselves with tears of sorrow. One card had something like “3000 souls in Heaven to be loved.”

A memory of an earlier incident came back to me. I was leaving work one day during the early stages of the First Gulf War, and coming up the street was a grade 1-2 teacher leading her students toward the Consulate. They were carrying “no war for oil” signs and the like that they obviously spent the day making, led on by the teacher.

I really wanted to punch her lights out.

The flag at Jack! Layton’s old stomping grounds, Toronto City Hall, is flying at half-staff. That must really be killing the socialists who run and are ruining Toronto.

I too remember what happened. Two girls, a friend of mine and her younger sister were at my house before school. My mom came running out of her room, calling behind about a plane hitting the WTT. We all ran down to the tv, anxious about what was going on. We watched the two planes hit and later at school watched them crumble and fall. The news was played all day in the library and most students skipped classes to watch the tragic event.

Sorry to have gotten somewhat off-topic with the above post. 9/11 affected me greatly. I used to live in NJ, and often went into the city on busienss and pleasure. I love NY. It was and always will be a microcosym of the whole world: all races, religions, nationalities (not just "WHITE PEOPLE", like the dipshit King of Lefties proclaims. Subsequent victims of Islamic terrorism in Casablanca, Madrid, London, Kuta, Karachi, Nairobi, Dar es Saalam, Riyadh, Taba, Luxor, Bombay, Moscow, Beslan, Amman, and Istanbul, Ankara and elsewere were not exclusively "WHITE PEOPLE"). I searched victims lists for weeks for the names of friends and collegues that worked in the WTC. I've dedicated most of my free moments since searching for the truth about 9/11, our enemies, allies, and "allies".

These popularly believed lies perpetuated by the international socialist machine and blindly believed by useful idiots like schmuck and King are THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE to a united front against this threat. This assistance to the enemies of all free men dishonors our own dead and all the victims worldwide of terrorists and the genocidal dictators that support them.

The most important lesson from 9/11 and the subsequent attacks is that Islamist fascist ideologies DO NOT CARE about what religion you espouse, your political ideology, your national foreign policy or what color you are. If you do not think like them, they WANT TO KILL YOU.

Thanks for the good suggestion Kate.

I will contact CBC about the hockey "ad" even though I hate to acknowledge that I was actually watching them. /s

Also, when I remember those who died on Sept 11, I usually think first of those men who ran into the WTC while eveyone else was running out of it.

I know every instinct would tell me to flee and I am thankful for the brave people who will themselves to go towards a fatal danger in order to help others.

I can recall that evening being out on the deck at sunset and watching a clear sky with no trails from all the air traffic and then I heard a plane but it was going North instead of the usual East or West and it must have been military.

My neighbor commented on the terrible things people do to each other and she hoped that the USA did not retaliate in such a way that would hurt any more innocent people.

But this is not only about what happens to individuals. This is also about nations. All nations have assets and those assets can also be attacked.

Tom - I mentioned this yesterday. It's a long essay by Martin Amis. I think it is the most accurate and chilling description of the Evil we face, the best, well researched, I've seen written is the past five years. I don't agree with his conclusion as to how we counter this, but his description of the heart and soul of the Islamic terrorist is dead on.

observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1868732,00.html

Islam, as distinct from Islamism, as distinct from Islamofascism, as distinct from a Death Cult.....as I read on I felt Amis was not making hard distinctions. If he was, they were with his own pen fading and falling apart.

I beg everyone to read this and bookmark it. It's one of those pieces that should be required reading. If you can still spout the leftist pc and multi-culti drivel after reading this then you are brain dead.

Re; the Canwest poll....
Should read 20% of idiots who wast their time responding to pollsters believe anything they think pollsters want them to believe....

For those of us who do not live with our heads up our collective asses there only the FACTS of the matter...not "theories", explanations or any other bullshit concocted by self serving jackasses.

For those helpless individuals who do believe this kind of garbage thank the clowns in our MSM who just so love to propagate BS rather than report facts.
The constant drip of brainless blathering from the empty heads of CBC/ Bell Globe Media etc has its effect on the ignorant, delusional and the subnormal......
Polsters whould be required to administer a personality profile test before accepting any responses and either publish the respondent profile or not bother to report the results at all.

Skip - yes, the 2996 project included the Canadians killed. I signed up for it and was assigned Maryland resident Ian J. Gray, a passenger on Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.

I tell ya, putting a face (and a life, and a widow, and shocked friends) to this tragedy has only firmed my resolve not to let our government back down from its commitment to crush this enemy.

Oh, by the way - the 2996 Project is housed here: http://www.jamulian.com/db911/ (currently down though)

It wouldn't surprise me if its down due to overwhelmage.

I was at my parents attending to my ailing father the day the planes struck the WTC. My first thoughts immediately flashed back to that cleric convicted for the first bombing of the WTC years earlier (before Bush) who said that one day soon 11 aeroplane would be unleashed as weapons against the US. To my relief only 4 (that we are aware of) were sent. The first casualty of war is the truth.

My second thought was this is the start of WW3. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

We will win the fight because the goal we chose for our society is the correct one. We defeated fascists before. The road we chose to get there is another matter. It is this choice in route that allowed 911 to happen because it was selected as the reason for the problems outlined by the Islamic fascists.

I will never forget 9/11, I worked at pearson Airport at the time. I had to work the night shift that night, and I had watched the whole thing on TV all day.

I remember getting to the parking lot and me and another friend, on my crew, looked up and ask the same question do you hear any planes? (we where not sure what was going on).

As we came into the Airport and onto the Ramp (it is where the planes dock I guess you could say) we looked out to the infield and could see every type of plane under the sun. It was the most wierd feeling I have ever had.

We where not allowed to go onto the ramp or near the planes that night. I remeber at the end of my shift standing up on this balconey just watching the sun come up, and just seeing all the planes in the middle of pearson was un real. It is somthing you would have to see to believe.

9/11 was a day I will never forget, I was only 21 at the time. Watching on TV one plane hit then both towers coming down. The emotions that where going through me from the first plane till the last tower drop was just a roller coster of emotion, to this day I will not forget. I will also not forget one of my friends call me and say "we are at war" and I just though to my self holly S***t dude we are.

Hassle,

I've already begun! Waiting around for Harper to do something is a pretty passive approach to the largest problem facing western civilization.

As the Greens say, think globally and act locally. That is the strategy we should all be applying. Contact local Muslim associations, befriend them and encourage them to muzzle the extremists in their midst. Let the clear thinking ones know they are supported by clear thinking westerners. Afterall it is their religion and way of life that is challenged as well.

The other thing is drop political correctness and call a spade a spade. We westerners are under seige because of our passiveness. My comments may be slightly racist in nature but they make a point and are there to motivate.

Sorry for spelling mistakes and grammer, I have about 2 minutes left in my break and spell checking gets lazy when I'm at work. So sorry.

I was linking to an item on a Canadian poll.

about american history. surely american attitudes are relevant to the discussion?

there was a time that the likes of Micheal Moore and Jack Layton would be kicking at the end of a rope.

Doogie, its now mirrored at http://stix1972.typepad.com/stix_blog/2006/09/project_2996.html

I couldn't find the Canadians in the list - I was considered pulling out the Cdn tributes for a separate list to go with the lead on mmy blog page if I could sort them out.

Update -found them!

And at PETA HQ they will hold memorials for all the spiders,rats,mice,pigeons,flies and other little critters that died on that terrible day

Thanks for the link Penny. That's quite an essay by Amis.

The part about Sayyid Qutb in Greeley, Colorado should be required reading for the "root cause" and "American foreign policy" crowd.

I have no links to share, or anything of the sort, no Canadian vs. American sort of spiel. However I can agree with the people who posted that Americans have become just as angry at this administration as the rest of the world. There is a lot of evidence to support the conspiracy theorists who say it was our very own government who perpetrated those attacks, which provokes one of several reactions, horror, icredulousness, anger, insecurity, or in most the tendancy to deny that it would even be a possibility.

As for myself, the war started initially because we were attacked by terrorists, at least to the best of the nation's knowledge at the time. The anger Americans currently hold is for the unjust war that was begun in Iraq. Our brothers and sisters, sons and daughter, cousins, nieces and nephews... are being shot at for a war this nation shouldn't be involved in. But now that it's begun... we can't go back. That is what makes Americans angry.

As to mourning through patriotism... I believe for most it is more an appeal to a higher sense of justice... we hold such a high opinion of this great nation, and the freedom and security it is ideally supposed to represent, that we would never believe such an act would never go unanswered. For the adults this makes sense I suppose.

I doubt, however, that the children who survived victims of 9/11, understand what comfort a sense of patriotism should be in the American citizen's eyes when they think, "I wish I could kiss my mommy or daddy good night."

Kate ma'am:

connect the dots morphs into the scientific method aka cause and effect.

well, for most people with a mediocum of common sense.

part of the learning process; analysing past events and matching up their causes with current conditions in order to predict outcomes.

mr bush hasnt got the foresight or capacity to do that, thus all manner of negative outcomes echoing past events.

I guess he's one of the 5 year olds that never got to play connect the dots.

That poll is the most disheartening, poorly timed, juvenile thing I've ever read.

What kind of person would believe that in 2001, one would want to kill 2700 people to set up a war?

Granted we live in a country which saw a Prime Minister kill a Member of Parliament to hold on to power for six more months, but we digress.

But, I suppose when the Toronto Star had a column over the weekend of how Bush loved 9/11 because it allowed him to get re-elected, that's the discourse we must deal with, sadly.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1157838637041&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

Article there.

My own contribution:

-Where It's 9-11 All the Time...--

mr penn lacks the fundamentals of reading skills:

mr penn, where did I say the americans sold weapons to iraq? 'support' comes in many forms.

the americans used the old 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' approach to that war and thus supported saddam. if your arguement hinges on the single word 'staunchly' then you are the propagandist. the fact remains the americans let it be known to iraq they had a free hand to paste iran. period.

also the term 'islamofascist' is a misnomer.

fascism of the nazi and mussolini type is the outgrowth of militarism married to right wing big business interests. very heavy handed government based on the supremacy of national interests and wealth acquisition by means including military conquest.

I'm not aware of any self serving economic objectives of the islamists. pulling down the economy of the opponent is vastly different from agrandizing and promoting one's own.

the term fascism doesn't apply to the jihadists.

so, again, you are the propagandist.

cal2:

regarding the rope kickers, indeed there was a time.

when royalty was supreme for instance.

jean valjean syndrome; punishment far and away outweighs the crime. 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread, and a death sentence for criticizing the government of the day.

would you we return to those barbaric times?

or are you just a frustrated murderous vengeful right winger that has found out you cant always have it your way?

"More than one in five Canadians believe
the events of Sept. 11, 2001, were orchestrated not by al-Qaeda terrorists
but by Americans looking for a pretext for war in Iraq,
according to a new poll." .

Yes. But more than one in five Canadians have an IQ under 80.

penny, I'm not as keen on the Amis article as you are; the third part is the best; the first two parts, I have problems with.

He suggests we should respect Mohammed? Why? What was so remarkable about him? His ideology was tribal, his attitude to women beneath contempt, his strictures on social behaviour were feudal. So?

And Amis informs us that Islam provided 'countless benefits to mankind'. Such as?? Nothing. Don't tell me algebra and zero; those were both products of the Hindu mind. Islam hasn't had a scientific thought since its inception - and Amis starts to point that out, with his outline of their lack of curiosity.

Amis informs us a a 'hideous cataclysm in Iraq' brought on by Rumsfeld. I disagree; the cataclysm is incited by Iran, Syria, SA, who don't want an arabic democracy in their midst; they are behind the insurgency.

And Amis' statement that Iraq is 'not a real country' is irrelevant. What's a real nation? Is Britain, made up of Scots, Welch, English, Irish - a 'real nation'? Belgium? Canada? The US? Ethnic homogeneity is not definitive of a 'real nation'.

Then, Amis brings in the Palestinian-Israel situation, which I maintain has absolutely nothing to do with Islamic fascism, but has been taken over by that fascism.

Where Amis is 'spot on', is his analysis of Islamism as a death cult. That's exactly right. When you realize that for Islam, the living and life are irrelevant; that they are not curious about the nature of life (they have no science); and that their focus on 'the best' is to be found only in The Land of the Dead. That's psychotic, in my view. It's a very sick ideology. To have living beings, producing lots of children, and yet, ideologically, dreaming only of death - that's psychotic.

His view that the emancipation of women might be the 'best solution' to this psychosis, is very interesting and, I think, might be exactly right.

The men are lost; they are lost in their fictional world of jihad and death. The women, well, they might just be the key to saving those people.

I am adverse to preaching to the chior, so to the regulars at SDA please bear with me, to the lefties and trolls whom I seldom address please read this and consider your options. In light of the events five years ago whether you want to believe it or not Islam has crossed the Rubicon. This so-called religion of peace has butchered thousands of innocents in the last number of years. At the same time Western society has become complacent, especially Canada. After 50 years of predominantly liberal left-leaning leadership, we are no longer the country that we once were. We have allowed a succession of academics and intellectuals to change the fabric of our society. The Canada that emerged from WWII was on the brink of becoming an icon and inspiration for the future. Now we are but a sad footnote in History. We have stood by and witnessed the disintegration of our judicial system, the corruption of our political system, the abandonement of our social system, the decline of our Armed Forces,and the bastardization of our national media. Since 9/11 we have done nothing to rectify our situation. The Liberal party, from whom we inherited most of this mess, is in such disarray that it is indulging in a cat fight to appoint a new leader. The NDP, typically are opposing anything and everything and in the process are hiding their heads in the sand. (Note to Jack Layton, in a war situation if you bury your head in the sand you're likely to get your ass shot off.) The new government has taken a stand and has come under severe criticism for it. So on this fifth anniversary we find that we in Canada have two options. We can accept the fact that Islam has crossed the Rubicon and will establish an ever expanding bridgehead that will ultimately destroy our society or we can oppose it. The choice is yours. There is no middle ground here. Islam makes that clear. It has brought and will continue to bring the war to us. Make no mistake, there is no more room for tolerance and understanding, fanatical Muslims see weakness there. If the governing powers of the Middle East are unable/unwilling to curb these zealots and we continue with our policies of the last fifty years we could soon be trading our microwaves for dung fires and bikinis for burkas.

see, the thing is, sorts of all political persuasion confuse correct analysis of events with *support* of those committing atrocities in the name of ideology/religion/capitalism/whateverism.

it just clouds the issues and thwarts understanding and consensus on remedy.

the first step to correcting wrongs is to acknowledge, recognize them and fully understand them. now, armed with knowledge, you can fast track getting things back on track.

without having to support the likes of george dubya in the process out of some hard-wired ring wing reflex.

I don't see much search for the truth here, just pathetic bluster.

I get this all the time predicting outcomes of elections. the dumbos up and down the line confuse my accurate predictions with *support* of the predicted winner. not so!!!

I predicted for instance, the downfall of the liberals and ouster of paul martin. this had nothing whatsoever to do with my personal views on that party. or any other political party or philosophy or ideology or -ism.

but you right wingers cant cotten that can you? you are all so 'if ya aint fer me yer agin me' just like your hero george dubya.

Today for some reason,I am appreciating my freedom to think independantly a little bit more!I only wish more people would stop considering it a 'given'.A shout out to those currently fighting the insurgents in Afgan',a direct result of that day.
In the spirit of that freedom,I hope you will allow me the following rant...

To those who cry'no fair'when they are accused of abetting terrorism because of their anti-Americanism....
You abuse your freedom by undermining support for western troops in Afgan'.We are currently under-manned on this battlefield and that is the direct result of your political posturing at home and the resulting irrational 'anti-war-at-all-costs' sentiments.Our NATO allies also face this disgraceful partisanship from the left,inevitably undermining support and our ultimate success..How???..your politically correct little brain asks.This is directly compromising the numbers,strength and equipment our armed forces have to work with.They need these tools to complete the job we sent them to do so they can get the hell out of there and come home.They rely on these things for their very survival.
I always thought our mission there was quite clear....Remove the Taliban,help Afgan'with their infrastructure and to get some control of their own country and get out.I don't even remember the Lib gov. themselves ever saying it would be easy.I certainly don't remember them saying they would turn their backs on this mission.
You actively hamstring our forces THEN you have the blinded arrogance to turn around and shout'we can never win this war!'.
You label the right warmongers WHEN it is the liberals who sent our troops there.
You try to rewrite our long,proud military history into some kind of peacekeeping fairytail.
You support Martin in sending our troops,embarrassingly ill-equipped,to fight the Taliban yet scream 'bring them home' as soon as Harper is at the helm.

It's no wonder so many otherwise rational people here cannot resist reacting to those trolls who know exactly what buttons to push with their stupid US=evil mantras.Perhaps the most bizarre thing is that of all the opinions I read here and elsewhere,the MSM generally filters the news to mimic the views of the most idiotic of the left.This country is indeed at war on the homefront too.A dangerous propaganda war.

t shmuck esq, your perverted view of history is not welcomed here so take a hint and bugger off. better yet, go steal a loaf of bread so we can have you swinging beside your heros, moore and taliban jack.

don't bother with the indignated leftie retort either. It will fall on deaf ears today.

I'd like to know the actual poll question for that 1-in-5 number, because I know an awful lot of Canadians, and I know about *two* who believe Sept. 11 was orchestrated by Americans looking for a pre-text to war.

The one in five makes sense.That's 20%,or roughly about the same number that vote for Layton and the socialists.

Nobody said the one in five had a brain.

As you can guess from my handle, I'm on the other coast. I remember being awakened by the clock radio at 6:30 am Pacific time, taking a shower, and lathering my face to shave, then hearing (from the classical music station in San Francisco), "we'll have the news in ten minutes, including the unbelievable story from New York", and wondering what it was. There are only a handful of major historical events for which I remember exactly where I was when I heard of them - JFK's assassination, LBJ's announcement of his decision not to run, Neil Armstrong's first footsteps on the moon, and the terrorist takeover of the four airplanes. I'll never forget. We must never forget. The attacks of September 11, 2001, were simply one of the earlier attacks in a war against freedom of speech, freedom of inquiry, belief in data rather than somebody's version of divine revelation, and equal rights for all - women, men, people of all races and religions, among other things. I will defend the rights of others to think and say otherwise; I will also defend my right to think that those others are fools.

ET: "Islam is trying to prevent reform by attacking the West"

Well said, ET! I add further that maintaining the status quo at all costs regarding the continued victimization and repression (def'n of slavery?) of women is the main reason why reform is being prevented by the men that control Islam.

Theo Van Gogh's documentary he was working on didn't have anything to do with Jews...but the hatred that butchered him was plainly telling.

9/11 was the first anniversary of my father's death. I was wondering how I was going to get through the day as I prepared for a morning meeting.

I was sitting in a coffee shop in Raleigh, North Carolina on that beautiful day, waiting for a colleague. My friend arrived, puzzled look on his face, saying a plane had hit the WTC. We carried on with our meeting, and I went home in time to see the towers fall on CNN.

One of my children's classmates lost an uncle on one of the planes. My next door neighbors had dinner in the Windows on the World the night before.

I hung a large US flag in a large window in my house, and kept it lit at night. The mood in our neighborhood was very solemn.

When I saw the towers fall, I was reminded of Admiral Yamamoto's thoughts after Pearl Harbor, when he learned that they didn't get the US carriers: that they had awoken a sleeping dragon.

My parents had once lived in Saudi Arabia. Thanks to their insights, I knew instantly what the WTC attack represented. No Jack Laydown pussyfooting or LPC anti-America bashing is going to stop the Islamists. There is no sense mincing words about it either.

We are right to be in Afghanistan because we are attempting to kill a pathogen by denying it its necessary habitat. I believe it is prudent to be in Iraq to intermediate on the ground between Iran and Syria, and to be poised on other Iranian border.

The 'war on terror' may be as tattered as one of those makeshift parachutes the poor souls clutched when they leapt out of the WTC windows. Tattered yes, but infinitely more viable than trying to negotiate with the smoke and fire inside.

At some point during the event, as the smoke fire spread, the transition from hope to acceptance of the inevitable must have occured.

So today, five years later, we in the west are standing in our type of tower, which has been hit, and is on fire. However, unlike those souls trapped in the horror of the WTC that day, many of us still think the building will stand, and that by chanting the right incantation the fire will go out.

My father was an ardent defender of the Arabs of the Middle East. On September 11, my grief transitioned from my personal loss to the web of losses that wound through the homes of my American friends and neighbors. That overshadowing continues today. As I write this, it is the first time today that I am reminded that my father died on this day 6 years ago.

I have been voting Tory ever since I was able to vote, so you pretty much know my leanings. My brother in law, who is an engineering prof, got me to watch a "conspiracy" video about how the WTC1,2 and 7 came down. I don't want to believe that this is posible, because I like the Republican party, for the most part. The 911 Commission Report can't be correct. The laws of physics, visual evidence, eye-witness accounts, etc are hard to debate. 911 was horrible and my sympathies go to the familys involved.

Let me guess: "Loose Change"? That's a vile piece of half-truths, misdirections, and flat-out bullshit put out by wingnut conspiracy theorists. I actually tried to watch it once but couldn't get through more than about a half-hour of it.

Start here to purge your mind of all that garbage: http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Then continue on to Popular Mechanics excellent conspiracy-debunking piece: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

tex here does precisely and completely what Im talking about; he/she equates criticism of the failings of the most powerful man in the world, with me being 'leftist'. not so !!

and then proceeds with the bluster capped with insult and clear expressions based on an uncontrolled frustration which clouds his/her ability to assess the realities of the dangers created by the heavyhandedness and self serving iron fistedness pouring out of washington.

you have to fight *hard* and *smart* in 2006. technology aint enough. the supremacy of air power was established in WW II, now the supremacy of fully understanding the motives and resources and support held by the opposition is paramount.

but naturally right wing despot supporters like tex can fume and rail at the very mention. you sir/ma'am, are strictly old school.

incidentally 4' X 3' flags of Israel, Canukistan and US of A hang prominently in my living room. I dont throw the baby out with the bathwater and george dubya certainly qualifies as bathwater.

and a gross perversion of the original impetus and justification of the american way.

Just saw Harper, with his short, pithy and realistic speech on why we are in Afghanistan - to prevent such ideological pathologies as 9/11 by fighting the Islamic fascists who want to set up repressive dictatorships.

My concern is that the Canadian people are not a practical, pragmatic people, as are the Australians, but live, and prefer to live, in a 'Buffered Fictional World'. By this I mean that Canadians have not, since the world wars, faced any reality directly. Instead, they have lived buffered, indirect lives, protected and isolated from reality. And they prefer that. Will Canadians face hard reality?

Economically, Canada is the only nation in the world which does not compete on the world market and instead, our economy is buffered from such reality by our reliance almost totally on the US to purchase our goods. We don't know how to economically compete. And we haven't developed an investor class to fund industrial infrastructures; we rely on foreign money and foreign risk-takers. We won't take the risks.

Militarily, we have only one border, with the US, and have never had to deal with massive illegal immigration, with war between our two nations, etc. Unlike any other country in the world, we are buffered from conflicts with 'other peoples'. We think it's because we are nice; that's the fiction. The reality is because there aren't any Other Peoples.

Internationally, we have withdrawn almost completely from the world, confining ourselves to the fiction that we are 'peacekeepers', ignoring that handing out candy and teddy bears, won't stop rebels and terrorists. We've left reality and risks up to others, including the Aussies. Our international aid is one of the lowest in the world.

Intellectually, our research is not innovative but descriptive. We haven't developed an investor class that can invest huge sums into long term research, with results far in the future. So, we copy inventions from elsewhere, and sell these cheaper; we inform ourselves that our cheap drugs etc are because we are 'good'. The truth is, they are cheap because we don't have to provide the years of research funds to develop them. Again, no risk.

We define ourselves as tolerant, ignoring that we have rejected differences by the simple method of not recognizing any. Rejecting the notion of differences doesn't make us tolerant of differences; we don't tolerate debate, dissent or differences - as is clear in our one-sided MSM.

Now, with a Canadian population living a buffered lifestyle, protected from economic, military and ideological realities and rejecting risk - can this population function within a Harper realistic and unbuffered reality - or will it fall back into the fairy-tale world, kept alive by the smooth, slick and false rhetoric of the Liberals, NDP and Bloc?

Craig Oliver just told us on CTV that we are actually losing the war in Afganistan. Because the Nato generals just asked for more troops, we must be losing. The fact that Taliban casualties are much higher than ours' is misleading because there are more of them and we can't afford to lose very many. We are losing and, to paraphrase, this is becoming just like Viet Nam.

I almost threw a book through the TV screen!! I shudder to think that anyone will believe this utter B.S.

Texas Canuck: On this solemn day, may I suggest that you please refrain from re-engaging with t. schmuck esq...its just not worth it. Besides, his postings are eerily reminiscent of "Robert J BSc Ba" or whatever and I'm sure you'll recall the pointlessness of debating with that gentlemen...this one will unlikely be much different.

"poiniant"? "mediocum"?

If you're such an intellectual wizard Schmuck, you'd think you'd at least be able to spell.

Go the the CTV link provided in the next post and leave your feedback. Then, call your local affiliate and complain.

Winston Churchill once said "Give us the tools and we will finish the job!" The leftists in this country have bled our military dry for fifty years and now that they have asked the military to deal with a situation that requires a military solution they want to "cut and run". This is typical. The tanks sent by Harper are a start, let's provide the rest of the tools to finish the job.

Unbelievable. "CTV's chief political correspondent Craig Oliver told Newsnet the prime minister tried to emotionally link the events of 9/11 with current Canadian involvement in Afghanistan." Uh, didn't the 9/11 terrorists train in Afghanistan? I thought Bin Laden's Al Qeada was based in Afghanistan before 9/11 with the cooperation of the Taliban government, the same Taliban Canadian forces are preventing from recapturing power in that country. That's not an "emotional link" at all. Oliver's another traitor trying to increase the death rate of Candian soldiers.

I am actually tremendously surprised that so many people in this blog still watch the CBC. A few months ago, I visited the blog, "Proud to be a Canadian", and it was suggested there to give Fox News a try. Well, we live in Calgary and there you have to subscribe for an extra 6 channels in order to view Fox News, i.e., it is bundled that way by Shaw cable.
We watch it now everyday and we love it.

There is a fatal flaw in the conspiracy theory that the Bush govt. orchestrated 9/11 just so he could attack Iraq. If they went to all the trouble to stage 9/11 and kill thousands of Americans, then why wouldn't they have just PLANTED SOME WMDs and connection to 9/11 in Iraq? It would have been so easy compared to the massive work 9/11 would have taken to set up and would have made thier lives a lot easier over the last few years. If they really are evil enough to set up 9/11 then that would have been a very small final step in their plan to do that, but they haven't and have actually had to admit they were wrong about Iraq WMDs. Why is that?

truecanadianbeef,

So sorry to hear about your brother-in-law. Don't take it to heart. Every family has one.

Given that we know the attacks were carried out by 19 Islamic terrorists and given the fact that we know the attacks were in the works for three plus years perhaps you might ask your brother-in-law why the Governor of Texas, who had to that point in his life shown no interest in foreign affairs, managed to hide within his bosom an overpowering passion to liberate 58 million Muslims.

Please also ask him how this man managed not only to get his co-conpirators to take credit for the attacks but to get them to keep quiet about the conspiracy even as he launched forces which have virtually wiped them out both in their former home in Afghanistan and their new home in Iraq. Quite a feat for a bunch of neo-con morons, don't you think? And in the process he hasn't left any evidence of DNA. My what a master criminal he is!

And as to the defiance of the laws of gravity, for every scientist who submits such claims there are one thousand who will convincingly gainsay such claims as fraudulent nonsense.

TJ,

You are of course absolutely correct but may I suggest that logic and reason will have no impact upon them.

Best to use ridicule and sarcasm- not that it will change their minds, which is, I'm sorry to say, an impossible task,-for they don't have minds to change.

For those of us who manage to go through life without our heads stuck in our collective asses there are only the recorded facts of the matter.
For those others there are only conspiracy theories and other shit!

Terry Gain,

"Quite a feat for a bunch of neo-con morons, don't you think? And in the process he hasn't left any evidence of DNA. My what a master criminal he is!"

No doubt! Moron Bush pulled off the most massive and involved conspiracy in American history without anyone involved saying a peep, but brilliant Bill Clinton couldn't even keep a blow job a secret. There is no cure for the depths of dementia infecting the Left.

More importantly, God bless the innocent souls who died five years ago, and those alive today who fight on.

Tom Penn,

Noted, brother.

The inimitable Steyn on conspiracy theories ("Call me crazy. I blame terrorists"):

http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/article.jsp?content=20060904_132517_132517

The conspiracy theory - applied with full moonbat vehemence to 9/11 - has inspired thousands of whackos with similar lame-O arguments as t.schmuck whatever; thankfully, though, most of these broadcast their ideology without schmuck’s misspellings, grammatical errors and general redolence of illiteracy.

To those on this thread responding in anger to this individual: don’t waste your typing time. At best, he’s a naive, irrelevant dolt and there’s little profit in trying to educate him or convince him of facts; it's like trying to tutor a chimp in calculus: you'll drive yourself mad in the process, and really – why bother, anyway?

At worst, he’s a boorish and unfeeling troll for broadcasting these particular thoughts on the anniversary of the deaths of nearly 3,000 innocent souls*: wholly deserving of everyone’s contempt, and should be rightfully ignored.

mhb23re
(email is above u/name at google webmail service)

* didn’t you also feel thus (or likely worse) on the 1st anniversary of 9/11, when slug Chretien had the nerve to go on national television and all but directly blame the US for the attack? One of the many occasions during the 13 year liberal reign when I was ashamed of my nationality, and my country.

While everyone blathers on about which side has it right... :) I have confirmed and assembled the names and tributes (2996 Project) for the Canadians lost in New York on 9/11, and will leave the page up for the balance of the week.

I took the anecdotal path:

9/11 Also Showed Our Strength

The 9/11 situation was pretty clear before "politics" got involved - your fellow (non-combatant) citizens need your help so get out there and help them. It seems nearly everyone heeded the call before jumping into political analysis.

TJ(9.27) - exactly correct...and this is why the conspiracy theorists (and the left, more generally) go astray. They have a fractured and disconnected view of reality. Everything is isolated. They multiply possibility by possibility (each, oh so plausible!) until they get where they want to go.

Some of it is stupidity/lack of education: as in the manager who wondered why the 10-step manufacturing process was failing when each step had a 90% succes rate

But education (credentials, rather) is no prophylactic. Engineering profs (who ought to know better) fall prey to the mindset a well - because they want to.

Sibley is right.

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