No babies dropped on their head, no whack job organization called the NDP. Simple as that.

The 'New Democratic Party' is nothing more than the Liberal Party by another name! (Can I watch while you run them over the Buffalo Jump?)

Certainly does reveal a lot about the (lack of) intelligence over in the leftosphere.

As a matter of practical politics, isn't it better for the moderate mainstream and conservatives that the collectivist left be split into two parties, thereby diluting their strength?

I can see it now.....Smirkin Jack and Comrade Chow leading a convoy of VW vans off of lovers leap.

Syncro

Wow. Clearly the idiots who belong at rabble.ca have found a political home. The Cuban "Socialist Project?" What a great euphemism for murderous dictatorship!

I think the NDP will pick up votes on foreign policy and the Conservatives will lose votes. Iggy appears to be every bit the warmonger Harper is; accordingly, peace-loving Canadians who think the "war" on "terror" is F.O.S. and whose vote is significantly influenced by foreign policy may turn to the Bloc, Greens, and NDP, and not in small numbers.

Remember, only 57% of *Conservatives* supported the Afghanistan mission when the last major poll was done, and that was before Canadian soldiers started getting killed regularly. Only 29% of Americans think Bush is doing a good job, let alone Canadians. And only 32% of Canadians agreed with Harper's "measured response" assessment of the invasion of Lebanon. So it is hardly radical even among Conservatives to suggest the Afghanistan mission should be wound up, or that Harper not follow Bush, Blair, and Olmert's foreign policy mistakes.

If someone can convince me how Harper will win on a pro-war/pro-Bush platform, I'm all ears. In the meantime, the clear MAJORITY of Canadians who are broadly anti-Bush/anti-fake war on "terror"/anti-torture/pro-morality (I proudly and enthusiastically count myself among them) will seek parties who offer non-apocalytpic foreign policy options that appeal to us, the MAJORITY of Canadians.

Interesting. But is it really practical, dave?

Essentially, the left might be confining its extremists to one party, the NDP. That purges the main leftist party, the Liberals, of direct association with them. However, in actual political fact, the two parties operate together. We saw that when Martin was in power.

Then, there's the problem of the third socialist party, the Bloc. How can one province have its own party, unavailable elsewhere, yet purporting to speak and act as a federal party? The two other federal parties in the province, the Liberals and Conservatives, will always be secondary. A Quebecer will vote for the Bloc, not for its sovereignty agenda, which doesn't exist except to use in threats and extortion. No, they'll vote for the Bloc because it is a uniquely and only Quebec party. It's actually very safe to vote for the Bloc. You get federal representation without 'association' with the ROC.

But, what, then, are the Liberals? The NDP seem to be taking most of the rhetoric of the Left as 'their property'. Anti-Americanism has been a key ideology of the Liberals for decades.

And the NDP are moving more and more into isolationism. That, and anti-Americanism, will appeal to Quebecers. Are the NDP worried about the Green Party in Quebec? That's a real threat in my view. The Green Party is utopian socialist, and so is Quebec.

Notice that the NDP say, at least above, nothing positive about anything. And no platform about Canada. Just an increasing isolationism and hostility. And, all impractical suggestions.

I'd say, let them talk the utopian rhetoric. The CPC won by rejecting utopianism, which is empty fictionalizing, and talking only about practical, do-able, down-to-earth policies.

Bob,

Churchill was branded as a warmonger by the leftards of his time. I guess you're this generation's leftard halfwit.

The left was wrong then, wrong now. As a matter of fact, the left has never been on the right side of history.

Where's the link?

Is this just supposed to be a little graphic, or is there a link attached to this, er...statement?

Be It Resolved:

That NDP/CAW coerce Canadians to help rebuild the Big Easy; to restore its former gory; Bourbon Street be renamed Jack Layton Blvd.; Cajun be now called Chow.

Moved by: Buzz CAW.
2nded: Svend. ...-

Canadians must continue to help rebuild New Orleans, CAW's ...
Calgary Sun - 1 hour ago
TORONTO (CP) - The president of the Canadian Auto Workers union says the city of New Orleans needs Canada's help to return to its former glory. ...-
cnews

Warwick, actually, the Left was correct about the Triangle Factory Fire (i.e., "it was bad"), then it was all downhill from there...

click the asterisk.

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Got it. Thanks.

I think I was better off in my ignorant bliss...

Warwick says: "The left has never been on the right side of history."

Unless you count the Spanish Civil War, the Paris Commune, equal rights for minorities and women, decent labour conditions, freeing of the slaves?

Or maybe it was just a pun?

ET,

The CPC won because of the foibles of the LPC.

Your suggestion that they won because of rejecting utopiaism is the empty fictionalizing.

Victory by default, no more no less.

I looked at Steven Taylors site and I never found that part. It's the only one that makes sense.

If the NDP don't actually lose support after the next election in light of the excreta that they birth (in the guise of foreign policy )i will truly be at a loss for words..

david brown, sorry, but I disagree completely with you. The CPC won on its own merits. They won, not merely by rejecting utopianism, which is a tactic, not a policy, but by rejecting the tactics of utopianism and inserting policies based on actual realities. The Liberals/NDP use only the tactic of utopianism. They have no policies.

craig, those historical events are not the property of the 'left' but of reason. Both sides have 'reasonable individuals' in their midst.

Craig..the right side of history, the Spanish civil war? The Paris commune?

Last time i checked,the international brigade were communist sympathisers and were fighting for communist rule in Spain(and elsewhere),that they were ant-fascist is only a by-product of their fellow traveller stance..

David b...so you then agree that default Liberal victory for all those years was because of the failure of the right to unite? After they did,and Canadians had a choice,it seems to me that they came close once and won the next time out.Perhaps after a third time (and a majority.) you will be convinced?

I think I'd retract my 4:09 PM remark above.

After reading Stephen Taylors presentation and analysis of this proposed NDP party policy, I'm aghast. There's a WHOLE party of people that need to be on psychiatric medications and given intensive cult deprogramming therapy...

It's gonna be fun to see how many of these are adopted at the convention. Personally, I hope all of them are.
Cripes, talk about digging your own grave!

On second thought, maybe not so stupid after all.

Woo the moderate Greens with the anti-Nafta stuff and the leftie Libs with the anti-American diatribe and maybe be able to form a coalition that could be a spoiler for a majority in the next election.

The fact that all the above-mentioned are nuts is no reason to think that they can't pull it off.

Jeez, and to think I may be spending the last years of my life in a country that resembles Venezuela.

1) Bob...I know the NDP and Liberals are desperately trying to expedite GWB's Canadian citizenship but I just dont think he'll be on the ballot. They tried last time and it doesnt work.

2) Win by default....gosh I wish it was that easy. Governments do defeat themselves but only when there is an opposition that that Canadians have some faith in. By that measure it is More CPC government no matter who the Libs elect.....please let it be Kenndy or Ignatieff or Rae....none of them will be able to untite that party, Kennedy maybe but total wet behind the ears who really isnt that deep....

3) NDP Liberal marriage coming within 2 elections.....but it could take three if they keep talking the comrade stuff. Come on guys stick to the anti american, anti israeli pro revolutionary stuff for your common ground and you can get it doen in 1....

Kursk,

Just to add, the Republicans freed the slaves in the States, while the Copperhead Democrats just wanted the South to leave the Union and to hell with the slaves.

Those Dems, they're nothing if not consistent.

Orwell's Homage To Catalonia contains a lot of detail about the two main commie groups in the Spanish Civil War, and how they ended up fighting each other. As a reader, I cheered on both sides and wished them ultimate success in their goal to annihilate each other.

"WHEREAS the corporate agenda is a serious threat to social programmes; the environment, human and labour rights, and the goals of democratic socialism,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the New Democratic Party undertake to explore the means to effect the abrogation and withdrawal of Canada from NAFTA, FTA, GATS, and the WTO..."

-- Toronto-Danforth NDP

Reading this, I was asking myself WHO THE H*LL IS THIS PERSON?, when I realized it is none other than Jack(ass) Layton himself.

One few questions, Jacky: Who's going to generate jobs and wealth in Canada in order to pay for all of these "social programmes? Who's going to employ all the labourers who are entitled to all of these "labour rights"? And who's going to pay for the environmental programs to make Canada greener?

Jack, you know where you can put your "democratic socialism" whose motto seems to be "Give me, give me, give me and, then, to Hell with YOU."

NO THANKS. Won't you and your party just step this way, please?

According to these people, as they propose to be included as official NDP policy, the invasion of Iraq constitutes a "supreme war crime" akin to those investigated by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

Not just 'these people.'

Also this person: Benjamin Ferencz, one of the Nuremburg prosecutors, a man responsible for convicting more than 20 Nazis of war crimes.

"If someone can convince me how Harper will win on a pro-war/pro-Bush platform, I'm all ears." Bob

I wouldn't try to convince anyone who thinks like you of anything Bob, but here's how it works. In an election campaign people take time from their daily routines to focus on the issues. When they do, they make up their own minds based on the arguments they hear. In these circumstances the impact of the left-wing- controlled MSM begins to wane.

Good people who want for Iraqis (and Afstans) what they themselves enjoy will change their minds and realize that real peace is sometimes not possible without war. When they are reminded of the history of Iraq under Saddam (and Afstan under the Taliban) and the facts of these missions- that they are saving lives even as these wars of liberation are being fought, then they will support the missions.

Of course facts won't get in the way of ideologues who claim to be "pro morality" while condemning the long overdue removal of a murdering, genocidal, terrorist supporting, stalinist thug who eliminated at least 600,000 of his citizens during his 24 years in power (and who just happened to be in default of a ceasefire resolution and therefore left himself wide open to justifiable removal).

Such people as you, Bob, while crowing about your moral superiority, would condemn Iraqis (and Afstans)to whatever fate might befall them under his rule rather than acknowledge the inarguable merits of their liberation - unfortunately for you - by the initiative of a conservative regime.

There is nothing moral about your position. It is built on hysterical lies underpinned by a cowardly selfish pacificism. ( You condemn the killing of fanatical terrorist killers but, ironically, you are content to stand by and do nothing when the terrorists kill the innocent). Sorry Bob, but you can't wish this problem away.

If you can't support the heroic efforts of the liberators you should at least stop pretending that you, and your ilk, are their betters. You're not.

What you don't get is that so long as there are evil men willing to kill to prevent ordinary people from living as free men, good men must be willing to fight-and when they are, it is wise to support and encourage them. In such circumstances only a fool would denigrate their efforts.

It's not that the NDP is wrong here and there, it's that the NDP is ALWAYS wrong.

"The left freed the slaves"
Yes, they did!
They freed them from George Chimpy McBushhitler the first, and his neo-con army of Christian Fundamentalists.
It all happened collectively in every Che wearing dimbulbs utopian melon, just ask any of them.
Ahhhhh-ha ha ha haaaaa!
This is great stuff, more please!

The Che crowd wants us in dimmitude forthwith; but they freed the slaves, don't you know!

Olivia Chow (Trinity Spadina)has called for the closing of the Toronto Island airport.

Terry Gain - many thanks for your post.

Kate...Help!I am having no luck finding the link that states this item is a parody!

Seriously,as was mentioned(and as hard to believe as this is for many conservatives)these seem to reflect the ideals of a great many,possibly the majority of Canadians.As the left's power in this country is concentrated primarily in the major cities(where,coincidently,the vast majority of immigrants settle)and where the MSM is successful in maintaining a 'right is bad'mantra,the left is still the powerhouse in this country.Actually,I think the LPC has a good chance of regaining power when they elect a new leader.Which leader won't matter,Canadians will BELIEVE(baaaaa)what they have been fed for decades now...To not vote for the LPC is unCanadian.
For those who have taken time to sniff the air outside of the blogosphere,you will see what I have seen.The MSM is strongly on message that the Harper government is a failure and can hardly manage to do anything right....So,when the LPC again take power w/o even facing consequences for their repeated corrupt actions...

Will offended Quebecers accept Canadians reelecting this party which manipulated it's sovereignity aspirations to defraud taxpayers of millions?

Will Albertans(especially)accept the rest of Canada rejecting what ideals they hold dear and denying us what was at least a competent government?

I submit that this country may be on the verge of imploding from the vast divisions created,mainly by the self-rightious left,between provinces,regions,ethnicities,religions,rural/urban etc..Listen closely now,that faint noise you hear is the sound of tens of thousands of brave Canadian soldiers rolling in their graves.What a disgraceful path this country is wobbling down...f*ck it,I'm going out for a drink!

This is the sort of thing that happens to folks who smoke lots of dope.

No wonder the NDP logo includes a picture of a green weed... it's symbolic.

by the way, speaking of socialism, the Six Nation natives of Caledonia have taken over the unfinished houses left by the builder-developer and are insisting on assistance to finish the houses, which they will live in. They want supplies and clothing as well.

Back to the political parties. I'm puzzled. The left seems to be transforming into multiple parties. The Liberals, the NDP, and now the Green Party. And in Quebec, the Bloc. Why would a political ideology splinter into separate sections? That's puzzling.

The Bloc is, as I've said, an anamoly and really shouldn't be permitted as a federal party. It will always be the default party in Quebec, because it is only francophone, with no ties to any anglophone party. Voting Bloc doesn't mean sovereignty (that's the domain of the PQ); it means power in the House. The Bloc doesn't even need to have any policies, other than Quebec, Quebec, Quebec.
Yes, with Quebec guaranteed 75 seats,and set up with its own immutable political party - that's not good for the country.

The three left parties in the ROC, the Liberals, NDP and Green. Hmmm. What's going to happen? If they had any political 'savvy', they'd merge. But that won't happen, I think. The NDP are too firmly trapped in an adversarial 19th c blue collar ideology of Us versus Them, with them always being Big Business, Employers, Money, Production, the US. That's out of date.

I expect the Green Party to move into NDP territory, for it is also utopian, but more 'modern' in its rhetoric. I can see it moving into Quebec, along with the Bloc, and into cities.

The Liberals? Hmm. I wonder if they have the most to lose. They've gone without any policies for years and have survived by default and by pure rhetoric. There's a limit to such tactics.

I'm puzzled.

Terry - great post, realism as opposed to socialist nonsense.

Canadian Observer pointed out that "The MSM is strongly on message that the Harper government is a failure and can hardly manage to do anything right...."

Apropos of the truth of this, and lacking a "Readers' Tips" outlet, I have just heard a news (sic) item about Prime Minister Stephen Harper on CBC's The World at Six that has made me angrier than I think I have ever been. Because they can't find anything factually bad about PMSH, who's doing an amazing job travelling all over Canada and the world, they're now resorting to total fiction and hypothesis. Total jerks. Total hacks.

Here's my letter to the CBC Ombudsman, which will explain what I'm talking about:

Dear Mr. Carlin,

Nothing on the CBC has made me as angry as a "news" (sic) item I have just heard on The World at Six. A piece on how Prime Minister Harper's gruelling schedule, travelling all over Canada and the world, could be very hard on his health. Hypothetical problems he might have with high blood pressure because of "the stress of his job" were discussed at great length, with quotes from medical personnel acknowledging how stress can negatively affect a person's health. Not one fact was offered when it comes to the Prime Minister himself, just hypothetical suggestions about a hypothetical situation: His schedule could lead to stress, which could lead to high blood pressure.

Mr. Carlin, this is a TOTAL CROCK. I have NEVER heard a similar conjecture about the health of either PM Paul Martin nor PM Jean Chretien, both of whom were much older than Prime Minister Stephen Harper. The CBC's obvious motive here is to cast doubt on our Prime Minister's health, by making up a fiction about how the stress of his job could be deleterious to his health.

The Canadian public has no reason to believe that Prime Minister Stephen Harper isn't completely up to the stress and hard work of being a political leader--except that, now, the CBC has suggested that he might have high blood pressure because of the stresses inherent in his job.

Below is a copy of an e-mail I have just sent to The World at Six. I am also sending a c.c. of it and this e-mail to Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office and to my MP.

I look forward to hearing from you. This item tonight is a total fiction, has no basis in fact, and is unconscionable on the part of the CBC news (sic) team.

Sincerely,

been around the block

Strange......

The exact same 'high bloodpressre illness' described happened to me blood when I watched the CBC.

Why are you watching that bile in the first place?

Amazing, substitute doublespeak for thought and you get the usual leftist boilerplate. Leftists -- always wrong, never in doubt.

Don't be so cute, "Bob". You make it very clear that you fervently love and celebrate terror, war, and butchery, so long as the practitioners are of fashionable ethnicity and hate the USA. It gives you a li'l thrill to be so "edgy" and to imagine yourself aligned with such ideologically correct brutal force. That is why you support Hezbollah and the current Iraninan leadership, and hide behind the false pretense that you love "peace".

They may have come from vastly different political perspectives, but both Hitler and Orwell had your number, kiddo.

THis just in:

"SAN FRANCISCO -- As many as 14 people were injured this afternoon by a motorist who drove around San Francisco running them down before he was arrested, authorities said.

Seven of those injured were in critical condition, police and firefighters said."

And the name of this maniac, running over innocent people he doesn't even know:

"Authorities have identified the man who was arrested as Omeed Aziz Popal, who has addresses in Ceres (Stanislaus County) and Fremont.

Authorities said they believe Popal was the same driver who ran over and killed a 55-year-old man walking in a bicycle lane in Fremont, at Fremont Boulevard near Ferry Lane, just after noon..."

Hmmm...let's get the CBC on this, to perhaps determine some sort of motive...

I really think I am begining to understand the Left. It is not so much about ideology as it is about being lazy. As I read through there 'grass-roots' suggestions, I could not but help notice the underlying tone of avoidance at all costs mentallity. They don't want to do this, they don't want to do that, they are against big corporaations, there against big buisness, there against fighting for democracy, they seem to be against anything that requires any sort of sacrifice or effort.

Oh well, I guess they can just light-up another fatty and relax, plenty of time to complain when your on the dole.

Holy Mackinaw! I think instead of condemning we should go to their website and encourage them that they need to speak for us. I'm just about willing to put out full page ads for them.

Regular Joe's need to hear about these whack jobs.

Your never going to change the hardliners but just maybe catch some swing voters.

I gotta take a shower after that posting.

Hey, Kate, isn't that--being run off cliffs--what lemmings do? On reflection, I guess it was the Gadarine swine.

Oh well, same difference, same analogy. Go, NDP!

Problem is the Regular Joe's will never hear about this. I doubt very strongly that the MSM will print any of this rubbish.
All that was missing from these resolutions was
Be It Resolved that: der Schmutzige Juden....

" . . . freeing of the slaves"

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Senator (present-day) Robert Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia, was a member of the Ku Klux Klan. But let's not have facts get in the way of lefties claiming the "right" side of history . . .

The N.D.P are out behind the House of Commons digging a hole. After a while they realize that they can't get out. So someone asks how are they going to get out. Jack Layton says,"I know we'll dig ourselves out!" So there they are all digging,when a Conservative walks by and says,"dig up stupid".

Kate said, "THAT the New Democratic Party Of Canada be driven off a cliff."

Excuse me madam, is YOUR solution to everything VIOLENCE? Isn't that kind of a caveman / cave lady approach to life? "Kill it! Nuke it! Drive it off a cliff!"

There is something VERY wrong with a world view that wants to kill anything that you don't agree with. It warrants professional assistance, perhaps??

Settle down, left dog. Sorry you can't see the humour.

We've got to be able to laugh at what the NDP are proposing, otherwise we might have to go out and shoot ourselves. Now THAT's violent.

NDP = Not a Damn Pinhead (Brain Amongst Them)

Leftdog, is that an act?

Leftdog..there is no need to furthur assist the left in piling over buffalo jump,they have been on that path for years,and are approaching the edge of that precipice without much need of assistance...will the greens pick over your bones when you have finally plunged into the abyss?

"WHEREAS Cuba's socialized economy, extensive social equity achievements, and quality social services ensure that human needs are put first, in stark contrast to rapacious global capitalism;"

Sounds like Paradise. If Layton and co. ever win government, I may just move to Cuba, same policies, milder climate.

Cut'nrun NDP policy? ????

...... on the attack
Canada should pull out of Afghanistan unless mission clarified, he says ...

... Says Harper has made the same mistakes as Bush accused of in Iraq

.... said last night ..... by calling for Canada to pull out of the war in Afghanistan outright unless NATO changes the mission.

"Somebody has to pull the plug on this grand illusion that is not working," .... told a meeting of ..... .. at Ryerson University.

"We should leave Afghanistan if we can't get a mandate that does honour and respect to the people of Afghanistan and to our troops."

He said that by focusing solely on military objectives and ignoring development, "Prime Minister (Stephen) Harper is making the same mistakes the Bush administration made in Iraq and it will lead to long-term failure."
voy forums

leftdog

There is something very wrong with a worldview that is based in ideology and the complete exclusion of facts.

But then again your typically hysterical response it completely consistent within the leftosphere.

As far as your reccomendation for professional assistance, I partially agree. Of course I'm not speaking of the various moonbat versions as in primal screaming or getting your aura cleared or even rebirthing.

Nope, what you and your ilk need is a little reality therapy. Unfortunately for you this course of treatment in no way involves pillows or the post weep latte.

If you're interested I'de be happy to recommend a reality treatment practitioner to help you along in your journey of self discovery.

We call them roughnecks.

Syncro

Besides.. shouldn't you be out shopping with your Mom for school supplies?

The NDP wants to do great things; they just need all our capitalist-generated money to do it. They don't mind if we make it, just as long as they get to spend it. In fact, they pretty much need us to make it for them.

They don't mind if we abort all our children, just as long as we abort boys and girls in equal numbers.

And, to support same-sex equality, they are willing to trash the historical definition of marriage and support the notion that a child can have two men or two women as its legal parents on its certificate of live birth.

There's currently a court case working its way through the system where a lesbian mother wants to add her partner as one of the child's parents, legally giving the child three parents (two mothers and a dad). The NDP will likely support this. And why not? Once the male-female procreation thing is dispensed with, there is no necessary reason why marriage should be restricted to two persons, or why a child's parents should be limited to two.

Cruelly, though, the NDP's ears remain deaf to the call to end the bigotry, prejudice, hate and small-minded mean-spiritedness towards another marginalized and oppressed sexual minority -- those who are attracted to the under fourteen crowd and who have the same right to equality under the beloved Charter as everyone else.

Someone in the NDP should propose a motion guaranteeing the equality of all sexual orientations, and not just those that are state-approved or favoured by society.

Otherwise, the sexual equality guarantees contained in the Charter aren't worth the paper they weren't written on.

I can't really see what the fuss is about. So the NDP have some ideas that may or may not make it into their platform. At least they have ideas. What I find quite funny are the Liberals. Aren't they in the middle of a leadership campaign that will define the party going into the next election? What happened to all those "ideas candidates"? No leadership candidate has come up with a new idea or made a firm stance on any issue (except maybe Ignatieff on Afghanistan). And unlike Layton, one of those clowns could be our next PM.

“Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”~ Winston Churchill

“Socialism is like a dream. Sooner or later you wake up to reality.”~ Winston Churchill

Tommy Douglas the founder of this party was a dupe. I don't care if the citizen's of Canada voted him greatest Canadian. Merge the Liberals and the NDP then submerge them into the politcal ocean of sunken idealogical vessels.

Jack and his band of misfits should be placed on Canada's terrorist list. Their policies are so outdated as to not make sense or have any reality to the world we live in today. They want the return of the 1950's. Sorry Jack its long gone and you are going to have to adopt policies for the 21st century. What a sorry bunch. What will Jack and Alexa do when George Bush is no longer president. They won't be able to accuse Harper of being a Bush wantabe. Maybe they will just insert the next President's name.

Uhmmm..lookout, lemmings don't run off cliffs. That's just another stupid myth, like athropological global warming.

As far as those nutty resolutions are concerned, the NDP always have lots of them before a convention, but during the proceedings, saner heads prevail, and none of the extreme ones make it. But I think that's only because they don't want the voters to know what they're really like. Talk about a hidden agenda!

As for the Lieberals, they are not leftists. They actually have no ideology (unlike NDP or Conservatives) and only believe that they should rule. They will use whatever they can to attain that goal, and for a couple decades now, they have determined that the best chance to get elected is to be leftist. They will adjust their policies and/or do whatever it takes, and they care not a bit what harm it will do to the economy or the country (think Kyoto).

Uhmmm..dirtman, lemmings do run off cliffs. The myth is that they commit suicide ... they have very poor sight and follow their buds over the ledge.

Either way, they are just as dead.

The New Dipstick Party. Pronounce any resolve complaint or promise with no fear of having to do anything due to no chance of getting elected. =TG

"WHEREAS Cuba's socialized economy, extensive social equity achievements, and quality social services ensure that human needs are put first, in stark contrast to rapacious global capitalism;"

http://therealcuba.com/Page10.htm Check out some of the pictures of their grat hospitals. A guy at work actually praised Cuba for it's socialised medicine once. I hadn't seen this site yet, wish I had.

Bob H. stated that "Tommy Douglas the founder of this party was a dupe. I don't care if the citizen's of Canada voted him greatest Canadian."

The only reason "the citizens of Canada" voted Tommy Douglas as "the greatest Canadian," is because it was a contest sponsored by the CBC. Given that only about 5% of Canadians watch CBC television, I am suspecting that this title "greatest Canadian" is bogus, like Douglas himself and like the CBC. 'Nothing to see here, folks, keep moving.

Your attention please, class. Today we will talk about media bias. Take any of the proposed NDP ideas and substitute the word Conservative anywhere NDP is used. Any proposal, it doesn't matter. Now let's see how long before Peter Mansbridge uses it for the leading story on the National.

It could be funny if it were not true.

"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." Ronald Reagan.
We keep referring to the NDP as the left. They are communists, pure and simple. Totalitarianism is always lurking just below the surface.

If the NDP were to be driven off a cliff, where do you reckon those votes would go?

Keep tarring them if you like.

Until such time as the progressive revolution for social justice achieves global domination, countries where the communists do take power must be isolationist. That's why that NDP nonsense has an overall theme of withdrawl - from free trade and foreign military activity, and close relations with free, capitalist, democratic countries like the US and Israel. To succeed (as they define "success") they have to isolate Canada, create an artificial economy, and transform human nature by re-education and iron-fisted control of the citizen's lives. No mystery in their thinking, to understand it all you have to do is study the Soviet experiment and compare that economic and social reality with the "lipstick on a pig" dogma that enabled it.

“Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”~ Winston Churchill

I suppose I had no heart. I Didn't have the heart to support abortion on demand. I also didn't have the heart to support saddling future generations with debt.

This is for the NDP appeasers:

The West, having cut itself off from its own spiritual heritage and traded it for crass, relativistic materialism, is in an altogether weakened state spiritually, morally, intellectually, and even physically--note our high rates of obesity. The West is in state of denial, which seems much like what was happening in 1938. (Winston Churchill had sounded the alarm for some time and was very unpopular because of it. Of course, in the end, he was proven right.)

During WW II, there was still enough figurative $ in the "moral capital bank", bequeathed to us through the Judeo-Christian culture, which also gave us Magna Carta (rule of law), etc., that, when people finally realized the truth--such a concept was still in vogue--they willingly fought "for King and country" to defeat an evil and deadly foe. The cry today from far too many in our entiltled populace is much more likely to be "Hell no, we won't go!"

The West is seriously deluded because it pursues utopian fantasy over truth. (In fact, post-modernism--a pox on it--denies that there is such a thing as truth.) We in the materially prosperous West are spiritual paupers, so busy "entertaining ourselves to death" that we refuse to face up to the hard choices we need to make because we realize that they will exact serious sacrifice and hardship. The only problem is: NOT facing up to the hard choices we need to make will result in FAR GREATER sacrifice and hardship. (Like little kids, we wish to avoid the dentist because it hurts: of course, the longer we postpone going to the dentist, the more it hurts.) Realists and grownups--imperfect as they are--understand the necessity of sacrifice and privation. Collectively, the West seems to be in complete denial about this.

Like it or not, the war has already been joined--by the enemy. We're going to fight this war over there or on a street near you. Here. In Canada. I'm not making this up.

Churchill, Britain's great wartime leader cautioned another generation of appeasement-bent pacifists: "If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

I think we're at about this stage: "[Y]ou may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival." But, with deference to Churchill, there's a case worse than his worst. That is, refusing to fight and becoming slaves, because that's surely what will happen to the West if we sit, like so many ducks in a row, waiting to be mowed down or enslaved. Then death or dhimmitude will, ironically, be our fate--a fate we were too darn busy "being entitled to our entiltements" to fight. That's much worse than Churchill's worst case scenario because his shows courage plus bravery = HONOUR. My worst case scenario--true, I believe, for the demoralized West in 2006--shows cowardice and appeasement, which equal DISHONOUR. (As there seems to be no sense of shame these days, only old fogeys like me seem to worry about such a thing as dishonour.) If that's all we have to offer, we'll deserve what we get.

PMSH is one of the grownups. Let's pray that Canadians wake up from their "Sleeping Ugly" stupor and support him in our participation in the coalition of the willing. If we don't, see above.

Paul:

"I suppose I had no heart. I Didn't have the heart to support abortion on demand. I also didn't have the heart to support saddling future generations with debt"

I posted this comment because the main theme of the qoute is more about how left-wing ideology fits well with the idealism of youth. As we accumulate more experience and years, our worldview often changes, and shifts more toward the conservative. The fact that you didn't endulge in Liberal idealism as a young man, doesn't mean you had no heart, it simply means you were beyond your years, as it were ;). I know that personaly I had more sympathy for liberal ideology as a youth than I do now, having graduated from the Ontario public school system, one can hardly blame me.

The only reason "the citizens of Canada" voted Tommy Douglas as "the greatest Canadian," is because ...

The "citizens of Canada" were made up in large part by SGEU members.

"WHEREAS the corporate agenda is a serious threat to social programmes; the environment, human and labour rights, and the goals of democratic socialism,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the New Democratic Party undertake to explore the means to effect the abrogation and withdrawal of Canada from NAFTA, FTA, GATS, and the WTO..."

-- Toronto-Danforth NDP
Hey Jackie boy. Since you put forth this poposal don't forget the disbanding of the Autopact as well. Good bye to your CAW support if that happens. Oh ya I forgot, You don't have CAW support anymore . LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Lest We Forget

From Albert Speer's book "Spandau: The Secret Diaries", a chronicle of his 20 years imprisonment for war crimes, Speer quotes Hitler (page 84) on Hitler's position regarding onwers and the ownership of corporate securities (publicly held shares);

"They bring in high earnings without work. One of these days I'll sweep away this outrage and nationalize all corprations. For compensation I'll issue share certificates with a low rate of interest."

Abject failures all think alike. The NDP is on the course of self-destruction and for that I am grateful.

Sometimes I just sit in quiet, and feel a cold gripping fear at the fact that these people actually get elected, and represent canadians in parliament...and that I know people who are more scared of harper than of layton.

Why is this comment so hard hitting?

**"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." Ronald Reagan.
We keep referring to the NDP as the left. They are communists, pure and simple. Totalitarianism is always lurking just below the surface.
Posted by: Doowleb at August 30, 2006 08:54 AM **
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This seems to be a bald truth. I have heard the same observation by two who have escaped the iron curtain.. first person opinion from those who lived it. = TG

Ouote: Uhmmm..dirtman, lemmings do run off cliffs. The myth is that they commit suicide ... they have very poor sight and follow their buds over the ledge. End Quote.

Lemmings have fast population growth followed by population crashes. The "run off cliff" idea was originally to explain the crash. It was popularized by Disney who captured a lot of lemmings and forced them off a cliff and filmed it as evidence. They do not run off cliffs.

And I thought it was George Bernard Shaw who said: "If you aren't a socialist when you're 20 you don't have a heart. If you're still a socialist when you're 40 you don't have a brain."

I'm embarrassed to admit, but I was a socialist at 20. But not by 40. Guess I have both.

You tories are sure paranoid. The NDP only hurts crooked buisnesses which your party backs. They would get rid of organized crime that's for sure and all the crooked politicians and others would be prosecuted.

The only good Tory is a defeated one,in shame,locked up and oh ya........born again. You people are nuttier than a fruit cake. Who the hell votes for you???

Communism that works?? The Hutterites. And don't bother to argue otherwise because that just shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're just drawing straws. More RCMP,More guns for border guards(So now they will be shot at),A muzzeled caucus,Giving our poor youthful soldiers a pep talk so they are more willing to die for USA causes!!?? 10 year old kids in adult court? And you have to ask why Tommy Douglas was so loved and admired?? Give your head a shake.You're a party of fruitcakes!! All nuts!!! You're all phoney shallow people who think god is on your side. Give him or her more credit than that.

Communism that works?? The Hutterites. And don't bother to argue otherwise because that just shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're just drawing straws. More RCMP,More guns for border guards(So now they will be shot at),A muzzeled caucus,Giving our poor youthful soldiers a pep talk so they are more willing to die for USA causes!!?? 10 year old kids in adult court? And you have to ask why Tommy Douglas was so loved and admired?? Give your head a shake.You're a party of fruitcakes!! All nuts!!! You're all phoney shallow people who think god is on your side. Give him or her more credit than that.

Communism that works?? The Hutterites. And don't bother to argue otherwise because that just shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're just drawing straws. More RCMP,More guns for border guards(So now they will be shot at),A muzzeled caucus,Giving our poor youthful soldiers a pep talk so they are more willing to die for USA causes!!?? 10 year old kids in adult court? And you have to ask why Tommy Douglas was so loved and admired?? Give your head a shake.You're a party of fruitcakes!! All nuts!!! You're all phoney shallow people who think god is on your side. Give him or her more credit than that.