You are plainly accusing Canadian soldier Major Paeta Derek Hess-von Kruedener, Officer with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry of the Canadian Forces, of knowingly collaborating with Hezbollah.

Are you trying to defeat the Conservatives?

And you are plainly illiterate. Or worse.

Don't be ridiculous, bob; there's no accusation of collaboration by a particular individual and even more specifically, by a particular Canadian individual. Instead, there's an accusation of collaboration by some persons in UNIFIL, a 2,000 member force of the UN. This collaboration, by a person or persons unknown but within the UN/UNIFIL, moved the status of the observers from neutrality to 'at the disposal' of Hezbollah.

What does 'at the disposal of' mean? It means that they were pawns of Hezbollah. Got that? Pawns of Hebzollah. They weren't active agents, but, whoever was posting all the IDF information was an active agent. Someone in UNIFIL.

That's an excellent post, Kate, and very damning against UNIFIL and the UN.

This is a scandal.

If this turns out to be true, this is a stunning development. Speaking of stunned, hey Bob...er, never mind.

Just to be clear, Bob, Kate is accusing (rightly, I think) the UN of giving aid and comfort to a terrorist organization. This could be considered Casus Belli by Israel except the UN is not a country. Should we be surprised?
Duh, no. Major von-Kruedener was in essence murdered through the arrogance of his 'superiors' in New York.
Regardless of the colour of his helmet he is among our honoured war dead.

Zombietime put together an exhaustive expose of the Red Cross involvement as a propoganda tool of hezbollah here. So now these supposedly neutral organizations, the UN and the Red Cross, are actively assisting a terrorist organization with intel and propoganda.

These organizations' value lies in their neutrality. If the UN and the Red Cross are not neutral, but have instead taken sides with the terrorists, then they have become legitimate targets the next time that Israel goes to war.

"Bob" just found out the hard way that NeoCitron brings out my mean streak.

Not that I necessarily disagree with the thrust of this post, but I must point out the the job of UNFIL would be to report the movements of both sides. It would be much easier to report Israeli movement, as they wear uniforms and identify themselves by their equipment, etc. It is natural that the Israelis would be easier to identify and therefore be reported more often.

However, this does not address why it seems only Israeli movements were posted on the web site and no Hez movements. The observers were bound to see some movement of Hez (even suspected) and report it, although those who hide within civilians are hard to identify.

I am suggesting that any "decision to aid Hez" was not made by the troops on the ground, but made by the person(s) who decided what information to put on that site and when.

I would suggest this decision would be made by the civilian UN structure (UN New York?) and not by any of the troops in the 2,000 member force.

Good post Kate. Hope you're feeling better soon...er, was that NeoCONcitron that kicked in there?

Can't one just imaging the neutral objectivity of a UN/frog force in Lebanon. Hezbollgh may even get logistical help now as well as intelligence info. All the UN is going to accomplish is to rebuild the mussie forces under UN protection. No wonder the Hezbollgh are walking around without guns, the sooner the UN and lackeys get there the sooner the Hezbollgh can start to rebuild. The stupidity I see in this world today needs a good cleansing.

To MB I say this: The best way for the UN to handle this is no troop movement info. at all. I don't want Hezbollah to have any advantages but UNIFIL is suppose to be neutral.

I smell something Stong here and it is getting Mo' Strong all the time. Something is rotton in Turtle Bay.

There are what? 190 countries in the UN?

All of them can get access to UN reporting from the field, including: Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Israel.

Also, UN communications security is notoriously slipshod.

The old joke about UN documents marked UN SECRET is that the space between UN and SECRET isn't necessary.

When are we withdrawing fronm the UN?

Or at least make a protest

From: The-I-Told-You-So-Department:

"Kofi Annan's UN War Against Israel" ...-

Paul Martin, Jr., visited with Annan at the UN in New York City in a "secret" meeting over lunch within weeks of the Canadian election. Martin, Jr., had been in Europe shortly after the election on a "vacation". Europe is not far from Paris/Brussels, Chirac, etc. No one else was in on the lunch-meeting; no notes taken/kept, etc.

What was the agenda topic(s)? Was M. Strong's/Chirac's message the topic of discussion? What was M. Strong's/Chirac's message?

More:

Hidden Paul Martin firm trained UN weapons inspectors in Ottawa ...
www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover042205a.htm - 37k -

This is a serious charge, depending on the normal behaviour of UNFIL. Perhaps one of the more regular military contributors who is familiar with peacekeeping ops can comment.

What appeared on that page before? Were troop movements only reported after the invasion or would they report on it at any time? i.e. they would observe on the other side of the border. They are observers.

However, why they couldnt report on Hezbo and rocket launcers I have no idea. This is the worst possibility, that the UN only would be allowed to report on official armed forces and not irregulars...wouldnt that be a real asymetrical kick in the face....

Anyway, it is disturbing but maybe we can get some more info from some of the regular contributors here.

Lebanon - UNIFIL - UN Documents

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilpress.htm

Bob - first of all - let me say - you are an idiot!
"You are plainly accusing Canadian soldier Major Paeta Derek Hess-von Kruedener, Officer with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry of the Canadian Forces, of knowingly collaborating with Hezbollah"

How the H*LL did you get that from Kate's blog. Even you should know that if an order is given, the soldier follows.

Get real Bob and go back to where you can spew your anti-conservative, anti-american, anti-Isreali, anti-Kate, anti Canadian views with other like minded idots.

""Bob" just found out the hard way that NeoCitron brings out my mean streak."

Bob is NeoCitroen; the Pluriel Latte model.

Thanks Maz2,

From July 24th.....does anyone remeber this one being reported,

"One unarmed UN military observer, a member of the Observer Group
Lebanon (OGL), was seriously wounded by small arms fire in the patrol base
in the Marun Al Ras area yesterday afternoon. According to preliminary
reports, the fire originated from the Hezbollah side during an exchange with
the IDF. He was evacuated by the UN to the Israeli side, from where he was
taken by an IDF ambulance helicopter to a hospital in Haifa. He was operated
on, and his condition is now reported as stable."

HEzbo originated Fire seriously wounding UN official who is evacuated to the Israeli side who take care of him.....dont remember that on the front page anywhere....

"Bob": You can't have a thought process beyond that of a Begonia to spout such nonsense. If you hope to be helpful to your cause you should consider a sabbatical from the Blogosphere.

The UN is plainly rotten, we've helplessly watched it go down. It will have to be re-structured and let's hope all democratic nations take control. UN neutrality allowing aid to terrorists is beyond reason, dangerous and stupid in the extreme.
It's just a Club of Nations, it's not "United".
How could it be?

As Sentinel would say, "Feck the UN". ...-

Continuing the legacy
Toronto Sun ^ | 2006-08-27 | Peter Worthington

According to German documents in World War I, Canadian soldiers were considered among the most savage of the Allied armies. Robert Graves, in his classic memoir of that war, Goodbye to All That, also remarks on this quality.

Vimy Ridge in 1917 was the first decisive Allied victory in that war, and by war's end the Canadian Corps was arguably the best on the Western Front.

In WWII, Canadians upheld their reputation, and battles like Ortona in Italy proved Canadians a match for elite German paratroops; the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion in Northwest Europe saw more action than any other Canadian unit as it fought its way to the Baltic Sea to meet the Russians.

In Korea, 1951, 2nd Battalion Princess Pats fought one of the great defensive battles of history by destroying the Chinese thrust toward Seoul, inflicting huge casualties, and losing only 10 killed. At the same time, in similar circumstances, Britain's Gloucester Regiment was wiped out.

After Korea, beginning in 1956 in Gaza, "peacekeeping" became the hallmark of the Canadian army -- until we joined the present war against terrorism in Afghanistan. True, Somalia in 1993 was a UN Chapter 7 "fighting" mission, but the expected fighting never occurred.

Although the country hasn't really noticed it, our military has abandoned traditional peacekeeping and returned to more active soldiering, now fighting an unorthodox war against an able and elusive enemy in Afghanistan.

CREDIT RICK HILLIER

Credit (or blame) for this change in direction can be attributed to General Rick Hillier, who has forced (or persuaded) the government to let the military play a more proactive role.
.......

"The Canadian saved not only the lives of two of his fellow soldiers, but the life of this American photojournalist."

A few days later Kesterton asked Canadian soldiers how they felt about this war. The answers were virtually unanimous:

"It's time that someone else steps up. The United States shouldn't have to carry the fight alone. We may be Canadians, but the attack was an attack on our common values and beliefs -- 9/11 was an attack on all of us."

It would seem that the legacy established in WWI continues in the Canadian army today. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690743/posts

Here is another odd one, there are a number so read them for yourself but

"There were three incidents of firing close to UNIFIL positions from the Israeli
side in the general area of Hula (2) and At Tiri. There was one incident of
Hezbollah firing rockets from the vicinity of the UN position in the general
area of Tibnin. UNIFIL strongly protested all these incidents to the Israeli and
Lebanese authorities respectively."

What good would it do to protest to the Lebanese authorities since the Lebanese authorities had no control over hezbo....shouldnt the UN have protested to the Hezbo authorities in the area...

But in general the UN PRESS RELEASES (why they are press release I have no idea) start only when hostilities break out and Israeli movements and positions are reported with more specificity.

If they were internal reports fine, the fact that they get released as press releases is just the UN looking for relevancy.

IDF positions are reported, Hezbo positions are reported in highly general terms

There are mentions of both sides firing on UN positions and convoys (MSM only reported Israeli)

The fact the press releases started on the day the conflict started as opposed to it being a regular update indicates it for what it is.

Read the recent ones. Lebanese army positions are reported and IDF withdrawls are noted....no mention of Hesbo...likely because they cannot.

However, just like the tsunami the UN pr machine is in full action indicating how useful it is.

This would all be more believeable if every UN mission had its mission report summary published on the web everyday and not as a press release that starts only when there is a light on it.

Kofi's unctious comments are that much harder to take when you realize there were UN personnel injured by Hezbo. As well, it is indicated it was an areial bomb that did in the canadian major....those things definitely go astray, especially when dropped from 15000 feet.

Kofi was out of line for sure, like to see the same dudgeon worked up for the other sid as well.

If true this is disgraceful, but come on Kate...this report will never see the light of day in the MSM. The Liberal silence will be ignored because the report will be buried.

This makes the e-mail from Major von Kruedener to General Mackenzie even more poignant. Not only was he reporting Hezbollah movements in a cryptic manner outside of the chain of command, but we now see with this article that any attempt he made through the chain of command to report on Hezbollah would be ignored.

If anyone is responsible for the Major's death it would be the UN.

It surprises me that so many are surprised by this.
It's the bloody UN.

NeoCitron + jigger of brandy tends to work for me. Knocks you out but also the cold/flu. Unfortunately, there is nothing that will cure the UN.

Only a truely liberal scumbag son of a horses ass would make a comment like the one made by "boob" with regard to Major Hess-von Kruedener. You dishonour the memory of a very fine man and an outstanding individual. He gave his life serving his country, while the likes of you hide in relative comfort and chastise anyone or anything that tries to stand up for anything of moral value as un-Canadain. If being un-Liberal makes me un-Canadian in your mind, I guess that is a cross I will gladely bear. GOD BLESS Major Hess-von Kruedener for his sacrafice and GOD BLESS his family. They are in my prayers.

Sometimes I feel that the UN and and its puppet countries are sort of like Vince McMahon and the wreslters in the WWE. Kofi is Vince and he spins lies just to promote the outfit and the other wrestlers scream and yell just like the terrorist supporting countries do.

The big difference is that we all know (?) that the WWE is entertainment and fake. Unfortunately, the UN is just as fake, not that entertaining and in this case deadly serious. Canada needs to withdraw as do all responsible Western democracies. The US should kick them out of NYC and let them set up shop in downtown Damascus or Tehran. At least then it would be clear who's side they are really on.

Stephen at 8:32 this morning posted: "HEzbo originated Fire seriously wounding UN official who is evacuated to the Israeli side who take care of him.....dont remember that on the front page anywhere...."

Me neither.

This is a Super-Size Good Samaritan story. Enemy of Israel wounds an indidvidual in a supposedly neutral force (though it's not clear this "neutral force" is neutral at all) and who takes care of wounded guy and binds his wounds?

The Israelis.

Doesn't it tell the whole story of the mess in the ME? The Islamist Hezbollah doesn't even have the resources to care for those they accidentally wound, because they're pouring all of their resources into hatred towards Israel and as many weapons as they can get their hands on with which to destroy Israel?

If Hezbollah destroys Israel, who's going to be doing the surgery on the UN guys who get hurt when fighting continues? There will always be fighting over there.

On the other hand, maybe it would be a good thing for wounded UN guys to no longer be able to be fixed up by the Israelis. 'Might get the UN out of the ME, where they seem to be doing far more harm than good--which is the usual these days.

KOFI ANNAN HAS GOT TO GO. THE UN HAS GOT TO GO.

my experience with the cdn military:

lemme see, I was early 40s at the time, past recruitment age.

what ho!! the rules change and set the age limit at 45 or whatever.

I pop into the cdn forces recruiting centre on ontario street in st catharines and enquire does canada have the equivalent of american army reserve or what other opportunities exist.

I cite my brief previous time in reserve when I was 19 and got an honourable discharge to take a job.

I cite my firearms experience.

I cite my post secondary education and clearly state I expect to be fast tracked into officer class.

I cite my scuba diving experience including ice qualification, excellent health, no criminal record, etc etc

medic enquires have I ever had any surgery so I tell her the time I split my left achilles tendon on a slippery diving board some 8 or 10 years previous.

oops!!

she axes my application right there on medical grounds.

but but ..... I can still leg press almost 700 pounds at the gym!!!! the injury is COMPLETELY healed ma'am!!!!

I later determine that one of the brass sent out the order that despite the new anti-age discrimination criterion, recruiters were to *find a way* to keep to the old limits.

post somalia-canadian-airborne scandal I whip off a very terse critical letter to the local armed forces recruiting ctr, this time hamilton, advising them that perhaps it was in the best interests of cdn military to keep me out seeing as there is no * way I would ever have silently stood by and allowed that to happen.

waaaaaaaay too outspoken for the sycophant careerists in cdn military.

speaking of whose getting shot at, seems the cdns in afghanistan managed to waste another friendly. a cop this time.

speak up o gung-ho types !!!!

I see RobertJ is another useful addition to the mosaic of Canada. Someone who hates the troops and sucks Canada dry and, no doubt, smoking his weed and spitting obscenities about Americans. A true Canadian hero! Any thoughts on the neutral UN (UNIFIL) relaying intelligence to the enemy, RobertJ? Or, dude, is that like my freedom to say whatever the fuck I want and to hell with the man? Go away, you make me sick and contribute nothing to conversations held amongst adults.

Thanks, Michael.

Who asked for opinions on the Canadian military? As you have so succinctly pointed out, Michael, the grownups are talking about what Kate has posted.

Now you know why Israel bombed it. Just like the
american ship during the 1967 war. They lie like everyone else in the middle east.

RobertJ, you would be advised to steer clear of messes and Legions for the rest of your life. Your idiotic blather, and complete ignorance is tiresome, and likely to provoke you to looking like a complete idiot in conversation... Wait a minute... Too late.

As for the IDF. The IDF of the 70's and '80's was a capable and professional military force. The IDF of the past two decades is a bunch of thugs and miscreants. One does not miss with guided ordinance. The UNIFIL OP was targeted... Especially in light of the 6 phone calls (all of which were acknowledged) demanding that the OP not be targeted.

The IDF's actions of the past two decades are no better then Hezbollah's. It is a regualar occurance for the IDF to murder someone who got too close to the ZOS in Golan Heights... The casualties are really quiet stunning. A friend of mine relates a story of witnessing the IDF killing a 14 yr old girl returning home from school because she stepped across the ZOS. A 14 year old girl had 38 bullet holes in her when UNMOs were finally allowed to recover her body for her family. I have no time for the IDF, or mouth breathers who would have us beleive they are the saviours of all that is right and just in the world.

RobertJ - intoxicated by the genius of your own verse, so what is your stupid point?

You're trying so hard at it.

my stupid point penny is that CAF cdn armed forces are manned by the most noble and morally just military personnel in the past century, and run by idiots.

not a whole lot different from oh, say, yer average cubicle filled corporate headquarters.

sign of the times!!!

none of all you folkses personal attacks (and they are 'legion' (pun intended)) changes the fact that our esteemed soldates dans l'afghanistane shot one of the good guys.

you people just cant cope with this fly in the ointment can you?

and no, I dont go near legion halls either, the last time that happened I questioned one of the bemedalled chaps as to why they have such a hate on for communism. its right there in their membership form. why do they hate communists so much seeing as it was communist russia that turned the tide, namely the defense of stalingrad and destruction of 1/4 of the whole german wermacht in a few months?

I didnt get an answer.

so then I asked him why such loyalty to the queen when she is the worst parasitic con artist alive today and that 'royalty' is a gigantic fraud. didnt get an answer to that either but did get a lot of nasty looks claiming *I* was a cummuniiiiist.

oh, one more t'ing dere batb: it isnt 'opinion' regarding the shooting of the cop in afghanistan, it isnt 'opinion' the deplorable events in somalia that brought down the airborne REGARDLESS of you 'opinion' on right or wrong on that outcome. the FACT remains a lot of cdn mil. personnel specifically officers let it happen.

and it isnt opinion that despite my qualifications, education, grasp of the big picture etc etc, Im just not the type to sign on the great 'brotherhood' and 'supreme sacrifice' stuff as the recruiting people sensed at the time but I didnt.

I was on the verge of thumbing down the 401 to the detroit recruiting centre in 1970 in order to waste jungle dwelling commies but reconsidered. I think I would have been very good at it frankly, stuff my pockets with some granola bars, head on out to said same jungle with a map, compass and 100 rounds and see ya in a week's time leutenant!!!

but my instincts were right on there too. vietnam was a huge mistake, period.

Albert Einstein's definition of insanity:
when you keep doing the same thing over again expecting a different result.

get dat dubya? time for some changes in TRUE objectives and methods towards those refined objectives.... nah, youre the leader of a superpower and thats not the way its done eh?

still waiting for a response to the bushists in defense of what the amurcuns are doing visa vi the softwood lumber. you know, reneging and all that. I think I will fax that cautionary letter on the untrustworthiness of the amurcuns to all those embassies again, citing their theft and lieing about nafta.....

One more time.....and not a repost.

RobertJ - intoxicated by the genius of your own verse, so what is your stupid point?

You're trying so hard at it.

RobertJ, you should have stopped whilst I thought you were merely an idiot. Now, it appears that you are simply a complete moron. If you want to understand why we (and I use we to describe persons who have/are served(ing)) het communisim, you only have to look at history, and the millions of people who died under the sickle and hammer (give ya a hint, the number is far more then can be attributed to the US throughout the past 150 years of history).

Your understanding of what is going on in Afghanistan, and currently in the forces is flawed, and filled with ignorance.

Broken: Kofi Annan's War Against Israel.

Bunker made for Kofi Annan/Paul Martin, Jr./Maurice Strong found/busted in Lebanon; discovered/broken by IDF. Good work.

AdScam Tapes found in brown envelopes; no cash left; all gone; checking for Guite's prints.

CO2 and smog bottles, empty, littered the floor; labels say "Made in LaSalle-Emard Riding, PQ, Kyoto".

Bunker was not seen/heard/smelled/reported on by the secret UN forces trained in Ottawa, Ont., by a secret Martin, Jr. company. Hez bunker was only 1200' from UNIFIL post. ...-

IDF uncovers Hizbullah bunker | August 27th, 2006

IDF forces from the Golani Brigade blasted open a Hizbullah bunker overnight Saturday some 400 meters from the security fence near Rosh Hanikra, it was reported on Sunday. The bunker was discovered a mere stone’s throw from a UN post. ...-
http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/

let me get this straight

this report hasn't been confirmed

if it is confirmed, it would mean that UNIFIL made a conscious decision to help hezbollah

and this would be the reason why the IDF deliberatly dropped a precision guided bomb on the U.N observers and murdered Paeta Derek Hess Kruedener, even after repeated warnings and giving the IDF there precise coordinates by the obsevers to the IDF

yeah!

Could someone turn on the bug zapper? Thanks.

well jeff, enlighten me. did the cdns just kill a friendly cop in afghanistan or not?

did the airborn division get disbanded after an atrocity in somalia involving a teenager who snuck into the camp and got beaten to death for his troubles? with that typical see-no-evil presence of officers at the scene?

and are not mil commanders generally more interested in advancing their own careers than they are the welfare of the personnel under their command??

and yes or no sirrah, did the russian soldiers and civilians defending stalingrad show their countrymen and allied commanders that the nazis were NOT invincible and wreck 1/4 of the german army in the process?

I make all the factual points and more, you meerly sling mud.

I win !!!

RobertJ, yes, you make factual points without context, or understanding of anything surrounding the events in question, then make assumptions without any basis, or knowledgeable grounds to come to reasonable conclusions.

You mouth the words you find on the internet. Semi trained chimps can do that. What semi trained chimps can not do is reason the whys of any given event. For instance, in this case of Afghanistan you fail miserably in acknowledging the very real threat of VBIEDs that face soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan. All locals are aware of the rules of conduct around coalition forces, including the local police. There are posters depicting words and pictures, as well as daily radio broadcasts informing the local population of the dangers... Why am I bothering, you made up your mind before posting your ignorance filled diatribes.

Why don't you stick to something you know a little about? At least enough to make educated guesses about...

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

AP/CBS2 are reporting phonyee news again? As a commenter said: Don't blame Israel; it's Bush's fault. ...-

Hamas official: Don't blame Israel for everything

AP via CBS2 ^ | 8-27-06 | IBRAHIM BARZAK
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) In a rare case of self-criticism, a senior official in the Hamas-led government said the Palestinians have bungled the aftermath of Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and called on residents to stop blaming Israel for all their woes. Ghazi Hamad, spokesman for the Hamas-led government, urged Palestinians to look beyond the conflict with Israel in searching for the causes of internal violence and lawlessness sweeping through the Gaza Strip. ``I am not interested in discussing the ugliness and brutality of the occupation because it is not a secret. Instead, I prefer self-criticism and self-evaluation,''...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691073/posts

ghazi hamad sounds like a port in the storm

Jacobin,

Please highlight where it was a precision guided bomb that was used...news reports state artillery, the un report says ariel....contrary to popular belief not all ariel munitions are precision guided.

While deliberate targetting of unfriendly locations is not unheard of, see the al jazerra bureau bombing, some are the mistakes they appear to be...chinese embassy in Yugoslavia.

Please post proof.

UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them

--10 times

The post was hit by a "precision-guided" missile after six hours of shelling, diplomats familiar with the probe say

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5217176.stm?ls

enough proof for you stephen?

"diplomats familiar with the probe say" So you are saying that these diplomats, on or before July 26,2006, were at the destroyed UN observer post, in a combat zone, during a real war, and determined that it was a precision guided missile that destroyed the observer post.
"Updated: 11:55 p.m. ET July 25, 2006
BEIRUT, Lebanon - An Israeli bomb destroyed a U.N. observer post on the border in southern Lebanon Tuesday, killing three observers and leaving another feared dead, officials said. U.N. chief Kofi Annan said Israel appeared to have struck the site deliberately."

Pretty good work to make that determination so quickly! A missile, not a bomb! Because the diplomats familiar with the probe say!

But ctv doesn't agree and has this to say!

A bomb directly hit the building of the observer force in the town of Khiam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.

And another bbc report that same day makes no mention of precision guided missiles, only arial attacks and bombs as well as artillary.

Headline fromm bbc website
Last Updated: Wednesday, 26 July 2006, 05:10 GMT 06:10 UK

Israeli bomb kills UN observers

But the diplomats familiar with the probe have determined that it was a precision guided missille and surely some one can inform me to as the make and model of this precision guided missile, so I can make the same determination.

wrong agin jeffy!!

the fact remains for whatever reason or circumstances, our esteemed soldats are whacking the good guys. they even did it to one of their OWN. maybe they need a few posters to guard against that happening.

this is not good, regardless of the intricacies and intertwined complexity of the grand sum total explanation.

the report was in the newspaper by the way, curious how you seem to bash the internet as a source when *I* may dare click the search engine, yet all you republicanist right wingers cant wait to get your own popular blog replete with news items.

and what about the somalia-airborne connection,

and what about the russian victory at stalingrad,

and what about the agenda of mil. commanders weighing their own career vs the needs and interests of their underlings???

the simple factoid is despite a well earned rep as superior ability and noteworthy success rate, the cdn military right now is nowhere near what it could be and should be for the 21st century and a lot of that situation rests with the commanders themselves.

which is why my type dont fit in; I bitch incessantly for what is needed to do the job the safest way reasonably possible. given a officer position in the cdn mil, I would do exactly that, in the interests of the soldiers in my group. and be demoted and booted out of the armed forces for my efforts. the boys in charge cant distinguish a subordinate pressing for the resources they need, from criticism of their decisions.

buuuuuut anyway, all you can do now is sputter and mud sling as usual.

you are therefore, by definition, defeated.

Kate:

RobertJ's last rant was interesting; there would appear to be some deep-seated personal issues bubbling up to the surface here.

But I'm not a doctor so I'm in no position to say with any authority.

And on that very note, one small line in his previous tirade about being rejected for the CF is worthy of attention because it just doesn't ring true:

"[S]he axes my application right there on medical grounds."

Unless "she" was a medical doctor, this is pure fiction.

Military career counsellors and recruiters have no authority to terminate applications on medical grounds. Only medical doctors do.

It seems more likely she had accurately measured up her man and sent him away for reasons old RobertJ is much less inclined to share.

other greg's

who cares if it was a bomb or a precision guided missile

the fact remains that the UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them

they made several calls to the Israelis to protest at the shelling and to call for it to stop

in response, Israel reportedly promised to halt the firing

only to murder them later...get it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1831068,00.html?gusrc=rss

this is nothing new, as the Israelis routinely attack the United Nations

on April 18, 1996, in the Lebanese village of Qana, during Israel’s “Operation Grapes of Wrath” invasion, the IOF killed 106 Lebanese refugees seeking protection at a Fijian UNIFIL compound

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=480

How many of our troops in Afghanistan have been killed by terrorists who drive up to the soldiers and blow up their vehicles in a suicide attack? When any vehicle doesn't stop when told to, in a war zone, it's bound to be unhealthy for the occupants.
Our soldiers can't know whether the oncomming vehicle is laden with explosives or just a stupid driver. Either way, would Robert allow them to drive right up when told to stop?
Just another Lib from la la land. I've noticed the MSM seems to miss the above nuance as well.

Jacobin - when your comment is caught in the spam filter, do not resend it 10 times. Next time, I'll delete them all.

Kofi Annan Springs Into Action

Extra! Corrupt Israel-hating diplomat saves Middle East with sheer presence! Read all about it! UN chief in Beirut to shore up fragile peace.

BEIRUT (AFP) - UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has met with Lebanese leaders in Beirut on the first leg of a Middle East tour aimed at strengthening the fragile truce between Israel and Hezbollah.

“This is a very critical time for Lebanon, and I think it’s important that I’ve come here myself to discuss with the Lebanese authorities the aftermath of the war ... and to underscore international solidarity,” Annan said on his arrival on Monday. via LGF

RobertJ is definitly fibbing if he says his application was axed right then and there on medical grounds. As one who is very familiar with recruiting and the training system, I most certainly agree with JJM. The file is sent to CFRC medical in Borden for review, and RobertJ would have been given the opportunity to present his case. As for his lame comment regarding keeping older recruits out of the CF, I personally have trained over 25 techs who were all over 40 while I was an instructor, and over a 100 who were between 30 and 39. This in addition to the 200 or so 18 to 29 year olds.

RobertJ, do us all a favour and come clean and it might gain you a little credibility.

Having served in the area in 2003 (but not with UNFIL) I think I can comment on some of the questions by Stephen and Allan.

Since the UN is officially "neutral", certain actions are taken or not taken by UN forces. For example, no UN mission has an intelligence section (the job of intelligence to try and tell commanders what the other guy will/may do). However, they do have an info section, which tends to do similar things, but the UN is very sensitive to charges of spying. As a result, the UN mission "on the ground" may be poorly informed as to what both sides in a conflict may be up to.

Key to what this post is about, is reporting. My experience with UN soldiers is that most take their job seriously. They understand that it is their job to report what both sides are up to, and they do that. However, as with what I mentioned about spying, the UN does not have secure communications. The rationale being that the UN has nothing to hide. I would make the assumption that any radio reports by UNFIL are likely unencrypted and listened to by both sides (they would be dumb not to).

Therefore, the only way not to know what the other side is doing is to ensure the UN does not report it or does not see it. Unlikely the UN (at least the troops on the ground) would not report something, as most troops take their neutrality seriously.

What I am saying is that it is likely UN New York (civilians) made the decision not to publish Hez troop movement on their website (assuming the troops saw anything), for whatever reason you may wish to assume.

However, in the end this does not matter, as the Israelis listen to all UN radio traffic (and I mean all) and would likely know anything a UN frontline observation post reported.

Allan: UNFIL must report on troop movement to the both sides. It is one of the key aspects of their job. Without this, why even have the mission? You might suggest that the UN use encrypted communications, but neither side would agree to that. Monitoring UN radio traffic is another way to keep tabs on the other side.

To summarize: My experience is that UN soldiers would report anything they saw from both sides up the chain. Wha the UN civilians would do with that info (post it on websites, etc) and how it might be "filtered" at that level I cannot comment on. However, I would suggest that it might be very political very quickly.

Monday, August 28, 2006
ICRC Removes High-Res Ambulance Photo

The International Committee of the Red Cross seems to have removed the high resolution image of ambulance 782 (supposedly struck by an Israeli missile) from their web site: Conflict in the Middle East: selection of photos.

Is someone getting a little too close to the truth?

Here is the high-resolution photograph that no longer exists on their site: Ambulance 782.

UPDATE at 8/28/06 9:03:26 am:
viaLGF ...-

Red Cross Tainted Blood Scandal:

Red Cross charged over blood bank scandal. By Amran Abocar in Toronto ... Screening for hepatitis C began in 1990. The head of the Canadian Red Cross, ...
www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/21/1037697805212.html - 21k -

"other greg's

who cares if it was a bomb or a precision guided missile"

jacobin isn't that the whole basis of your argument? A precision guided missile implies intent. A bomb could imply a mistake. So again I ask, what type of precision guided missile are you referring to and who made that determination, based on what evidence? By the way, evidence is not a story about an attack that happened ten years ago.

"Watch the Liberals closely on this one."

The Liberals to watch include M. Ignatieff/Denis Coderre.

Liberal MP Coderre marched in the infamous "We Are All Hezbollah Now" demonstration in Montreal along with the Quebec Socialists/anarchists. By his actions, not words, Coderre revealed his anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, pro-Hezbollah sentiments. As the wise owl said: Actions speak louder than words.

Coderre is national co-chairman of Ignatieff's campaign/campagne for the leadership of the Libs.

Does Ignatieff share Coderre's endorsement of Hezbollah? Ignatieff must own up; speak, Iggy. ...-

Stunning sight of militant mea culpa
The Australian ^ | August 29, 2006 | Abraham Rabinovich

DESPITE the inclination in Israel to accept the verdict of the Muslim world that Hezbollah came out on top in the recent war, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, in his stunning interview yesterday, in effect handed the victory to Israel. In acknowledging that he had erred in estimating the likely Israeli reaction and that he had not foreseen the devastating consequences for Lebanon, he asserted that Israel's deterrent power had not been eroded by the war, but enhanced.

It has been widely mooted in the Muslim world, and to a large extent in Israel itself, that Israel's inability to stop Hezbollah's rocket fire into northern Israel in a month of warfare - and its failure to complete the capture of southern Lebanon - had shattered the image of the Israeli army as virtually invincible and exposed it as vulnerable to militants.

The thrust of Nasrallah's remarks, however, was that the punishment inflicted by Israel had been too great a price for Hezbollah and Lebanon to bear. "There has not been a war like this in the history of wars," he said, a view that reflected his stunned appearance in a taped interview in a Beirut bunker at the war's beginning after Israeli warplanes had begun to level an entire Hezbollah neighbourhood above his head.

In contrast with the aggressive way in which he spoke of Israel in the past, Nasrallah's tone during this interview was markedly restrained. Gone was the taunting nature of his famous speech several years ago in which he said Israel was a cobweb that would be swept away by the first strong wind. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691396/posts

How easy is it to die by friendly fire? When posted to Rwanda,there is one occasion that stands out on my mind.A very drunken youth,with a military style assault rifle was pointing and taking pot shots at anybody who crossed his path.I was standing behind an armoured car and had made the concious decision that if he came within a zone i determined to be dangerous to myself and my comrades, i would have to shoot him.

He crept closer and closer,waving madly until he finally came to the point i had determined i would have to act.I exposed myself for a brief moment and took deliberate aim at the boys chest.
At that exact moment,one of the gov't representatives i was with popped right up in front of me and right into the middle of my sight as i pulled the trigger.

He shot the boy in the groin and thigh,and he collapsed..i swore up and down at the fool in front of me ..he had nearly lost his head and had powder burns all down the side of his face

It ended badly for the boy(he died) and could have ended badly for the gent i nearly shot...that is how easy it is to die in war..you make a mistake and there are no second chances, even if you are a highly trained professional.

Oh yeah Canadians shot Afghani police.....who just happened to be out of uniform and driving an unmarked truck and armed and not heading warnings.

Bet those boys were out on an errand for the local drug kingpin....

As for claims of Israeli attacks on UN forces....I was shocked when I heard about this the first time...I believe it was about Jenin..however it turned out that Hezbola thugs were using the refugees as cover for their operations and hiding weapons in the camps....UN and NGOs were obligingly NOT complaining about this. The pattern continues and MSM asswipes continue to lie about it while spoonfeeding the groundless tripe to willing gullible sheeple like Jacobin and others who reiterate the said tripe and BS ad nauseum!

BTW - I see more people are getting wise to RobertJ

Nasrallah is a bad cat, period. He has gotten into a supreme bind. He was fighting the battle with Isreal at the behest of Iran, his arms supplier and pusher.They, Iran and their toady, Nasrallah, are responsible for ravaging two countries. They both are coming to their senses and realizing Israel has her sights set on Iran and rightly so. The cowardly madman at the helm in Iran is getting worried and instructing his henchman Nasrallah to get friendly and do a bit of suck-up. Well it may be too late.

It's long past time to humble the madman of Iran for the safety of Israel and the world. We cannot afford to sit by and let these despicable wretches call the shots.
If Israel goes for it we had all better pitch in, to hell with the disUnited Nations and Lefties everywhere.

Liz - wanna get married?

other greg's

"jacobin isn't that the whole basis of your argument?"

--no, it doesn't matter what ammunition/bomb/ they used, because the UN peacekeepers warned the israelis 10 times about the shelling, the IDF promised to halt the firing only to murder them later

--please don't tell me it's because hezbollah uses human shields and all that, because with over 1100 lebanese civilians dead obviously that tactic isn't working to well for hezbollah and the IDF could care less so long as they bomb there target (UN observers perhaps)

--p.s. sorry kate! my apologies for posting 10 times, i seriously thought you were trying to ban me, hehe

Jacobin it seems from the comments of a Canadian Peacekeeper that Hezbollah fighters were close by shooting at Israel if this is the case, the UN warnings are a red herring

rob west

that is such bullshit

first do you have a link to that article quoting that canadian peacekeeper?

and secondly, the UN observers made several calls to the Israelis to protest at the shelling and to call for it to stop

in response, Israel reportedly promised to halt the firing, only to MURDER them shortly after

HOW IS THAT A RED HERRING???

Because there was a war going on and Hezbollah was using the position to attack Israel. If you are truly interested in finding the quote try googling (I think that is the proper spelling) General Lewis MacKenzie. He was the one that told about it. Furthermore, when the war started, the UN troops were no longer needed and as Harper stated why didn't they leave? Ask yourself why would Israel attack the UN position just for the fun of it? Oh I get it, your have to find a reason to hate Israel ;)

First, Hezbollah was not quoted in any MSM or other media as being inside, or near enough to the compound to warrant guided munitions to be dropped on the bunker (all UN OPs have a bunker, and it would take a direct hit from large munitions to destroy it, I know, as I have had a hand in building bunkers similar but smaller in BiH).

Second, the IDF has targetted the UN positions in Lebannon and Golan before.

Third, the IDF is no better then Hezbollah in their conduct, and their generals should be investigated for their conduct with a view to determine whether or not the Geneva Conventions were followed.

Anyone who thinks Israel would purposely bomb the freaking UN Post needs a serious rewire of their brain.
Civilians are a big part of the terrorist force.
They like nothing better than to have dead bodies to show the sympathetic media conglomerates, especially bodies of children for more impact, where only the toys survive intact.
Terrorists are cowards, innocents make up their frontlines.
Terrorist sympathizers, for gods sake go live among them, give them your tea and sympathy in person.

Jeff. How do you know guided munitions were used, how do you know guided munitions if used did not malfunction (yes this does happen).

As for your second and third points, please provide some proof

You do not have to look too terribly far up there to find a post with a link to an MSM article concerning this.

Second. It is a bunker, only a direct hit with a large or penetrating warhead could destroy the bunker. SOP for UNMOs is simple... Shooting starts, radio HQ, then head to the bunker and wait it out. This particular bunker occupies land strategic to the IDF and Hezbollah. Hezbollah has made it a point NOT to target the UN over the years, nor were they operating near the OP.

Lastly, and you will get no more out of me on this, as I beleive you are lazy, the attacks on UN OPs in Lebannon and Golan are a matter of public record, and deeply ingrained on CF soldiers who served in the area. Isrealis are good people... Most IDF soldiers are good people. The IDF leadership is rotten to the core.

Liz J, not everyone who correctly criticises the IDF for their conduct is a terrorist sympathiser. For my own part, I will most likely be in Afghanistan come this time next year to do my own part in the war on terror, and I can assure you, the only sympathy that terrorists will get from me is treatment IAW the Geneva Conventions should they surrender, or a 5.56mm pain releiver should they not.

There are many examples of violations of the Geneva Conventions allegedly commited by the IDF and Hezbollah in their little spat.

Not related to war crimes, however, displaying a rather low level of empathy is the use of cluster bombs in built up areas. Did you know that in the last 72 hours of the conflict, the IDF distributed thousands of bomblets along the Isreal Lebannon border? Everyone (who know about munitions) knows that there is a 20% fail rate on these things, which means the IDF has effectively made a very large anti pers minefeild in an area that refugees are now trying to return to. Refugees have kids... And it will be the kids that get killed by these things al la BiH.

Cluster munitions are very effective, and I strongly beleive that we in the CF should maintain an arsenal of these... However, to go using them willy nilly is a gross display of incompetance at best, and a willingness to tread very close to violations of the LOAC.

We in the western world are the good guys, because we do not sacrafice the moral high ground for easy victories. I beleive this very strongly, despite the fact that myself being in the infantry, will be in the meat grinder sooner or later, and I know full well the risks that that entails having seen a friend, and another mentor trainer come back home from their respected rotos early in flag drapped caskets. HVK made me the soldier I am today, and I endeavour now, to remake myself into a better soldier... Part of that is knowing our past, present and future course, and understanding what it is that we are truely fighting for.

Meant to add some articles to my last:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14528281/

http://www.imi-israel.com/Business/ProductsFamily/Product.aspx?FolderID=32&docID=412

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=156227

Further, this site really needs an edit function on posts... "...knows that there is a 20% fail rate on these..." should read "... knows that there is a 5-10% fail rate..." was typing fast, whilst talking on the phone. Sorry for any confusion.

Jeff: You don't say! God bless us one and all.