I wish it was funny but its just true.

Why is Jason Kenney hanging with an Iranian right wing terrorist group? What's good for the goose - is good for the gander.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/images/stories/demonstrations/ottawa-kenney-6apr.jpg

So LeftDog, you admit that it is ok for the gander(s) to do likewise?

My word, you're stupid.

Oh my God, that is just too good. Who's making these things?

we need to put that in add form and run it in the G&M and Red Star for all the drooling idiots to see.

sadly, it is closer to the truth than most think....these idiots are indirectly supporting the taliban, who are killing canadian soldiers...not long ago these acts would be bordering on criminal

Ha ha. Hezboliberal and Hamabequois.

Absolutely brilliant! If only it weren't breathtakingly close to the truth.

Along with some other posters here,I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Do not forget,there were other'high-profile'libs and NDPers who went on this junket and originally supported him in these remarks.What rock did they crawl under to escape public scrutiny?

RIP Nealenews!

Thius story is all over LGF this morning. The LIEberals are toast.

Book recommendation: Civilization and its Enemies by Lee Harris.

At the end he makes three recommendations to preserve our civiization:

1. The United States must maintain Pax Americana. There is no other choice that is not grounded in fantasy ideology [ALL leftist belief].

2. The media and intelligensia/academia must STFU for at least one minute and begin to critique themselves for a change.

3. We must educate ourselves on the past and again begin to appreciate the rich heritage of Greco-Roman Judeo-Christian Western culture.

The option is to devolve to Civil and cultural wars and all hell will unleash with one Islamic rogue nuke. It's just a matter of time.

This is gutter politics at its worse. Is political debate going to evolve into opponents creating these kinds of websites to skewer each other. How about a real debate baout foreign policy instead of this nonsense.

So, a Liberal MP and a Liberal supporting teenager on the youth executive speak and step out of line with the party position on the terrorist organization Hezbollah (which the Liberals put on the terrorist list, BTW), they both forced to resign/get fired immediately because their views are contrary to the party's views... and the Liberals are terrorist apologists????

But a Conservative MP attends a meeting of an Iranian right wing terrorist group and it's "stupid" to make any comparison? Does anyone remember the election campaign when Harper attended a fundraiser for a Nazi-supporting group? What was everyone's reaction here? Can't impute on the whole party what one person says or thinks or does! Even when it is the leader of the party!!!

I'll file this latest hypocrisy under "Our Principles Do Not Apply To Us". I think we're up to number 86?

Ted
Cerberus

Real debates.
With opposing viewpoints.
On our streets.
I'm not making this up.

Er, um, if anyone has stifled debate in this country, it is the left, the politically correct, and the Liberal "Da Canadian Values (tm)" Party of Canada.

Lib MP Denis Coderre is the national co-chairman of Iggy Ignatieff's Lib leadership push.

Coderre marched in the infamous "We Are All Hezbollah Now" demonstration in Montreal.

Does Ignatieff know this? Does Ignatieff support Coderre/Hezbollah?

Does Ignatieff know that the aim/goal of Hezbollah, is that of its master, Iran: the annihilation of Israel/the death of all Jews?

Will Ignatieff disown/dump/fire Coderre? ...-

http://www.libsforhezbollah.com/

Why is Borys still a Liberal MP?

Bill Graham should have removed Borys from caucus. Immediately. Yet in typical Liberal fashion, Graham danced around the subject, offering only, “There was no suggestion on his part that he was speaking on behalf of the Liberal Party”(Vancouver Sun, August 22) It is pretty hard to believe that a Liberal MP – who has gone on a fact-finding mission as the sole representative
Borys
of the Liberal Party – presumably to report back his findings to Parliament and the Liberal caucus – was not speaking on behalf of the Liberals. And if Borys was not speaking for the party, why did Graham send him to Middle East as a representative? Graham knew exactly the situation Borys was going into. Graham had a large part to play in labelling Hezbollah as a terrorist organization in the first place, as it was during his time as Foreign Affairs Minister that the group was listed as such. ...-

Gutter politics!
Gutter politics is terrorist paid for asswipe politicos sniping our own country from a terrorist organized junket.
Gutter politics does not involve conservatives pointing this out.

I'll file this latest hypocrisy under "Our Principles Do Not Apply To Us". I think we're up to number 86?

So then, let us get into this pissing match and see what number the Liberals are up to. Perhaps that number should be squared so that it can fit on the screen.

I wonder how the Lier's feel with the shoe on the other foot????
Does it sound like: "Sinking Ship!!!!Man over board!!! Oh I meant Liebral's Ship Sinking.....Party over board!!!
(Please don't run out and through any life preservers.....)

Bill Graham - "There was no suggestion on his part that he was speaking on behalf of the Liberal Party".

So if a Liberal does good for the Party and it benifits all Liberals and Canadians (don't EVER forget that according to Liberals, THEIR values are CANADIAN values), its on behalf of the LPC. BUT, if a Liberal fucks up, then he doesn't speak on behalf of the LPC.

I see..............

"Perhaps that number should be squared so that it can fit on the screen."

We might need exponential or factorial notation for that number.

grit partiot says...
...This is gutter politics at its worse. Is political debate going to evolve into opponents creating these kinds of websites to skewer each other. How about a real debate baout foreign policy instead of this nonsense.

i say...
the grits invented gutter politics so you should know all about how its employed. power at all costs is the liberal mantra.

aslandic, thanks for your posts. I LOVE the lack of available screen size dig ;-)

Let me see if I understand the defence to my assertions here.

You are saying that it doesn't matter how hypocritical, how many principles are abandoned, how low the Conservatives get because the Liberals were bad? Is that it?

A little awkward for a campaign slogan, but I say go with it anyway. Always speak the truth!

Oh, and Maz2, to answer your question, why is Borys still an MP? Because he was elected by Canadian voters. You guys have only been in power for half a year and don't even have a majority yet and you are already pushing for a modification of democratic elections???

Ted

More detail on the appalling hypocrisy of ignoring Jason Kenney's support for Iranian terrorism, while criticizing the Liberals when they dump their pro-Hezbollah supporters over here: http://canadiancerberus.blogspot.com/2006/08/our-principles-do-not-apply-to-us-part.html

Ted
Cerberus
canadiancerberus.blogspot.com

LOL!!

I'm holding my sides while reading Gritpatriot's shocked and appalled post: "This is gutter politics at its worse [sic]. Is political debate going to evolve into opponents creating these kinds of websites to skewer each other. How about a real debate baout foreign policy instead of this nonsense."

Well, for a start Grit, you must be too close to the action to not realize that this website which so shocks and appalls you is just business as usual for the Libs and their cheerleaders in the MSM. You might not have recognized it, however, because the MSM aren't purposely doing parody, they just always spin CPC/PMSH stuff the same way. Maybe you need "truth, no-s*it" glasses to be able to see what they're doing. Sorry you don't have any.

As for having a real debate about foreign policy, how is that going to happen? The Liberals had 13 years in which to have "a real debate" and blew it every time. Now that the CPC are the government, hardly any Librano$ show up to debate anything, let alone foreign policy.

Gritpatriot, the chickens are coming home to roost. Corrupt, dishonest, charged with criminal wrongdoing, irresponsible, unaccountable political party, the ex-government, is finally being smoked out of the henhouse. Ruffled, singed feathers: I don't think these hens are going to be able to fly anytime soon.

'Looks good on them.

You are saying that it doesn't matter how hypocritical, how many principles are abandoned, how low the Conservatives get because the Liberals were bad? Is that it?

No, just that the Liberals were/are worse. Thus, any judgement that a Liberal thinks he can pass on ethical behavior and actions is a pathetic joke.

All your fakes are belong to us!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22237_All_Your_Fakes_Are_Belong_To_Us#comments

Hail the zombie!

Aslandic: so it's screw the 24 million Canadians who didn't vote Liberal because Conservatives (surprise! surprise!) think the Liberals are bad??

Ted

Ted/Cerberus: only 86 to 13,485--and that's BEFORE the leadership race, which has only just begun?

No comparison.

The treasonous Liberal activity of supporting and financing terrorism is historic there, ah, Ted.

Tamil Tigers fund raisers?

Chretien personally and successfully dealing with Pakistan in order to get the terrorist Khadr released?

Former foreign affairs minister Manley's insane invitation to settle the Palestinians in Canada?

Trudeau the elder and the younger's worship of Castro?

Until they give up their post modern version of socialism and every decrepid 'value' that's spawned by it - Liberals have no place in our country's future.

Might start by toppling a Trudeau statue.

OT: http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/opp/hartlessreport.html

Sorry for going of topic but this is a MUST read!

Gutter Politics??

Freekin' good satire I think!
Whasamatter all you pipsqeak little liberals?
I've seen the CBC post more virulent crap on their site at the Taxpayers expense yet!

If this offends you I am quite satisfied!

I copied this post from FR.

I think it might help to understand PMSH and Canadas position and reasoning on this issue and the sda Nazi rule is probably not applicable to the PM. :0)

He (Kenny), and Harper, compared Hezbollah to the Nazi party in Germany:
Harper was being factually and historically correct when he compared Hezbollah to the German Nazi party - pre 1933.
The Nazis held a few seats in the German parliment (pre-1933), but had a massive armed force, the SA (Sturmabteilung), which was used for terror and helped bring the Nazis to power and was also essentially a State within a State.
And similarly, the regular German army (in the late '20s and early '30s) was powerless to bring the SA & Nazis under control, just like the Labonese army is powerless to control Hezbollah.

47 posted on 08/24/2006 8:00:33 AM PDT by CaptainCanada

So it's screw the 24 million Canadians who didn't vote Liberal because Conservatives (surprise! surprise!) think the Liberals are bad??

"Screw"? LOL. Ted, the difference is between knowing it, and thinking it. We've all seen and know of examples of Liberal incompetence from the last 13 years. I mean, c'mon sir, they didn't even realize that a budget vote was being passed in the HOC. Basically they woke up and said "whaaa....whaaaa.....whaaaa....what just happened?" Their latest caucas meeting was a farce. They can't even be an effective Opposition and they want to be the GOVERNMENT??

LOL, yeah ok.

And considering the very recent past and present corruption within the LPC, they can hardly pass ethical and moral judgements upon others. Oh, they can if they WANT to, but it just makes them look rather silly.

This is the best thing I have seen. I like the "Get hezboliberal gear".

Unbelievable.

The only defence - the only defence - offered by any of the above commenters to Jason Kenney supporting a pro-Iranian terrorist group, on behalf of the PM no less, is that the Liberals are bad.

Amazing.

Ted

Gritpatriot says...."This is gutter politics at its worse."

I'm all for contrary opinion. Being the unsavory, rightwing reactionary that I am, I do request that contrary opinion have some substance to it.

Gutter politics at its worse, now that is good for a geniune, hearty, deep down, belly laugh.

If you want gutter politics at its very worse mr/ms patriot - Liberal election campaign, January 2006

Game, set, match.

Unbelievable. The only defence - the only defence - offered by any of the above commenters to Jason Kenney supporting a pro-Iranian terrorist group, on behalf of the PM no less, is that the Liberals are bad.

Oh quit the avoidance tactic Ted. Full points for effort, but its really quite sad.

No one is saying that the CPC hasn't had issues and problems. But for a Party that is obviously more at home with corruption and scandal, both ery recent and current, the LPC is the LAST group to pass judgement of any ethical kind on ANYONE.

You see Ted, you can say that we think the "Liberals are bad" all you want. We already know that. The point is that the Liberals are worse. And for them to think that they can credibily pass judgement on ANYONE is an utter joke.

I was very critical of Martin's gutter politics in the last election, my friend, so please can you give *me* a break.

Look it's simple: Jason Kenney attended a pro-Iranian terrorist group rally on behalf of Prime Minister Harper. Is there not anyone here who will condemn such support for terrorism? Anyone? C'mon just one person!

Ted

Point taken, Ted. But how about this...Borys came out and said we should NOT call them terrorists and should negotiate with them...that is, he took an active stand on their behalf. From the little that I have seen and read (I've not researched it), Kenney attended a function.

I would say that there is a major difference there.

On one hand, several Liberals can be shown attending functions put on by terrorist organizations (Borys with Hezbollah, Martin with the Tamil Tigers and that other guy that was running Gerard Kennedy's campaign who attended whatever organizations shin-dig), with at least one speaking on their behalf, while on the other hand, we have one Conservative attending a function.

If you were to apply some statistics with only the few situations I am aware of and noted above, you'd have to say that Liberals are at least 300% more likely than Conservatives to be influenced by terrorists.

Is that a better attempt, Ted?

You're not suggesting that Kenney knowingly spoke to a terrorist group, are you?

Hassle:

Better, but I'm still not seeing any condemnation or denunciation.

Borys got fired as soon as he got back to Canada for his remarks.

The Kennedy supporter (not organizer) was a stupid teenager holding a menial position in the youth organization. And even he got fired.

Kenney? Still no condemnation.

Maybe this is apples to oranges. But how about Dennis Coderre attending a pro-peace rally, that is also attended by a few pro-Hezbollah idiots, denouncing those idiots, but Conservatives running all over him as some sort of pro-Hezbollah terrorist apologist?

Meanwhile Kenney? Nothing.

And Kenney didn't just merely "attend" the function by the way. He was right up there on the podium speaking and welcoming them. The photos are coming out online now as we speak. As of a little while ago, the photos were still up on that terrorist organizations website!

Ted

Ted . . not sure how you determined they were a "terrorist Organization. They don't appear on the State Dept list. Their linkage with MEC is tenuous a best.

They are very anti the current Iran Mullahocracy . . . .

This list was current as of October 11, 2005.

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) (International)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group (Philippines)
3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (Palestine)
4. Ansar al-Islam (Iraq, Kurdistan)
5. Armed Islamic Group (GIA) (Algeria)
6. Asbat al-Ansar (Lebanon)
7. Aum Shinrikyo (Japan)
8. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) (Spain, France)
9. Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA) (Philippines)
10. Continuity Irish Republican Army (Northern Ireland)
11. East Turkestan Islamic Movement (China)
12. East Turkistan Liberation Organization (China)
13. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Translates: Islamic Group) (Egypt)
14. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) (Palestine)
15. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) (Kashmir)
16. Hizballah (Translates: Party of God) (Lebanon)
17. Islamic Jihad Group
18. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) (Uzbekistan)
19. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Translates: Army of Mohammed) (Kashmir)
20. Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI) (South East Asia)
21. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) (Egypt)
22. Kahane Chai (Kach) (Israel)
23. Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK) (Kurdistan)
24. Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous) (Kashmir)
25. Lashkar i Jhangvi (Pakistan)
26. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) (Sri Lanka)
27. Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) (Libya)
28. Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM) (Morocco)
29. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) (Iran)
30. National Liberation Army (ELN) (Colombia)
31. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF) (Palestine)
32. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) (Palestine)
33. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (Palestine)
34. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC) (Palestine)
35. al-Qa’ida (Global)
36. Real IRA (Northern Ireland)
37. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) (Colombia)
38. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA) (Greece)
39. Revolutionary Organization 17 November (Greece)
40. Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) (Turkey)
41. Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC) (Algeria)
42. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL) (Peru)
43. Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) (al-Qaida in Iraq) (formerly Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad, JTJ, al-Zarqawi Network) (Iraq)
44. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) (Colombia)

... on behalf of Prime Minister Harper.

According to Parkdale Dipper and terrorist apologist Peggy Nash.

This lady is regularly on The Michael Coren Show and takes a regular pounding for her dopey views.

So if you click on the "HOME" link, it takes you to the Liberal.ca home page. If you click on the Headline, you link to Warren Kinsella.

Who Ted! Comparing the Liberal's support for a recognized (even by the former Liberal Government) terrorist organization dedicated to the "elimination of the Zionist Entity" to PM Harper speaking at the The Canadian Alliance for Social Justice and Family Values Association (which you have characterized as Far Right) without naming it, giving the impression of the PM consorting with NeoNazis is inexcuseable spin even for a Liberal. Anything you say now has no currency and will be treated as propaganda.

Ted, I don’t know what he attended, I need more info.

My first question is, did he know he was attending a terrorist group? If he did, the RCMP must also know we have a terrorist group holding meetings here in Canada (I assume he didn’t go to the ME) and why is that group even in business on our soil and not arrested by the RCMP?

Mississauga Matt: If your question was directed at me, I'd have to plead ignorance...I was just going on the basis of the claims of the Lefties posting here. He supposedly attended some pro-Iranian thing-a-ma-jig...terrorist or not, I have no idea. For the sake of poor old Ted, I thought I'd "throw him a bone".

On the other hand, the Liberal's hosts are (I believe) clearly labelled as terrorists.

Re; the Kenney supports Iranian Terrorist org BS...

I believe that "Ted" may mean that the group in question Opposes the Mullacracy of Iran..thus are "terrorists" to the Iranian regime. That would be more consistent with the liberal warp of world views I think!

Of course simply making unfounded assertions without facts or knowledge to back them up is also right in the groove for

Sorry Hassle, not you.

The obvious difference is that Kenney claims he unknowingly attended, whereas some Libs and Dips want to cuddle with known terrorists.

And taking Peggy Nash's word that Harper sent Kenney is pretty lame.

Fred:

#29. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) (Iran)

Thanks for pointing it out for everyone.

Ted

As usual, leftdog and Ted use the leftists favourite tactic, that of Moral relevance.It works both ways it seems...they use it for themselves when they deny that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization,because Israel is doing far worse,so they are really the terorist..

Then they would love to turn around and say,'Well,Jason Kenney hangs with terrorists,so he is just as bad as our terrorist supporters.."

moral equivalency is sheer lunacy..

The left just like to jump at any chance at "gotcha" politics.

You know what Ted, et al? I and many others really don't give a sh*t what your lot cares or doesn't care about any more..to us,you are just gums flapping in the wind..Your kinds mindset has proven to be dangerous to the well being of our way of life..

Get used to not being heard more and more after the next majority

Ted the pro-Iranian group that you are referring to is pro-Iranian, as is my neighbor who says that the Mullahs and the president are “a piece of shit” but are anti the current murdering government. Remember Zahra Kazemi they are fighting to be free of Islamic. Fanatics and anyone who is against the present madmen ruling Iran is OK with me. "Dozens of Iranians and supporters of the Iranian Resistance joined in a rally in front of the Canadian Parliament to condemn (the) clerical regime's plan to execute political prisoners in Iran, specially those affiliated to the PMOI."
The group has been lobbying to persuade governments in the United States and United Kingdom to remove it from their terror blacklists, and promotes itself as the democratic secular alternative to the Islamic clerical rulers of Iran.”

Kursk:

Talk about moral equivalency!

On the one hand, you have the Liberals firing lowly supporters and MPs for some soft support for Hezbollah. The Liberal Party isn't denying Hezbollah is a terrorist organization: we put them on the terrorist list and we are removing supporters from places of prominence who say otherwise. That's called clarity.

On the other hand, you have the echo chamber here defending Jason Kenney, the de facto Deputy PM, and his welcoming of a terrorist group, on behalf of the government and the Prime Minister, on Parliament Hill!!!!

Kenney knew who these people were. He tried to fly to one of their rallies in Paris earlier this year on my tax dollars last spring, but even Harper realized just how bad and hypocritical that would look.

Ted

Alan:

A terrorist group gets on the list because of its activities, particularly its violent actions that harm civilians indiscriminately.

If Jason Kenney and the Conservatives think that the ends of this organization are so worthy as to justify the means which they employ to achieve it, then take them off the bloody list of terrorists! Heck, even Hamas and Hezbollah also help out poor Palestians and Lebanese, but that doesn't justify their terrorism.

You guys are the government. If you want to cavort with terrorists, then you could take them off the terrorist list. But you haven't.

Ted

"The event was organized by the Committee in defense of Human Rights in Iran." - from the article at: http://www.ncr-iran.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1275&Itemid=0

Other things this group has organized:

http://stopfundamentalism.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=223

Google much?

Now back to our previously scheduled programming...

Ted: If we were to go back to my original post and if you want to play the "moral outrage" game, I'd say that it's the Tories leading the Grits, 3-1...that is, the Liberals are currently 300% worse than the Liberals. And, as I said before, you don't have Kenney on record apologizing for the MEK, like Borys.

I, for one, will not excuse Kenney lightly...if the facts as you present them are correct. The difficulty is in determining if your facts are correct, or if those of other posters are correct. I don't have that information.

Be that as it may, Ted, the ball is in your court now.

thanks Ted for pointing out your original error.

The group that Kenney spent a few minutes with after finding them on Parliament Hill is NOT on the terrorist list.

Other groups have attempted to smear them as a MEK front, but they are not on the list.

So did you outright lie, or just, in Liberal desperation to change the channel, make an honest mistake ??

You can't cavort with a "terrorist" group that is NOT on the terrorist list.

Oops...the Liberals are 300% worse than the Tories. Sorry.

Ted: By the way, it wasn't Thomas Hubert (?) that I was referring to...it was Jim Karygiannis:

As noted on another thread:

"I was at the rally, yes," said Jim Karygiannis, MP for the Toronto-area riding of Scarborough-Agincourt. "It was a FACT (Federation of Associations of Tamil Canadians)
rally. It's not their first or the last that I've been to."

Now, having quoted that, you'll likely have the same argument that others were using for the group that Kenney met...that they are NOT on the terrorist list and that they were just being smeared.

So, I guess it comes down to "righties" apologizing for Conservatives and "lefties" apologizing for Liberals. But the Liberals are STILL 300% worse (maybe even 400%)!

Thanks Fred, that clears that up. But it raises the question:
How do we support Iranians that want regime change in Iran?

The West is spilling the blood of our soldiers on three battle fronts now – Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon- where even the French are stepping up with more troops today. But Iran is the sponsor behind all this death and destruction.

There’s a lot of Iranian people and money here in Toronto. I know some Iranians that want the Mullahs removed. I talked to a young lad that lives on my street that took the risk of being in a protest march against the Mullahs in Teheran. We need to support this. They can’t understand why Canada doesn’t do something more overt in the way of support.

We need a Foreign Policy that deals with Iran. This is what all 308 expensive MPs should be debating in parliament, not nanny care.

Hey Ted, what the hell are you on?

From your site, that magical box of -unattributed- text

"National Council of Resistance of Iran, the political wing of the PMOI, or People's Mojahedin"

Everything I can find on the National Council of Resistance of Iran indicates it -opposes- the current regime.

As someone else asked - are you lying (poorly) or just making a huge, honest mistake?

No Fred. That is indeed one and the same organization. And there is no question that Kenney knew they were on the list. I hear he has been trying to get them off the list in fact and is very familiar with them.

The point is: the Conservatives can take them off the list if they think it isn't a terrorist group. They haven't and Kenney continues to work with them and speak with them on behalf of the government.

Ted

Ted, you said: And there is no question that Kenney knew they were on the list. I hear he has been trying to get them off the list in fact and is very familiar with them. . . Kenney continues to work with them and speak with them on behalf of the government.

Could you please cite a source for these "facts"? With all due respect, your credibility is paper thin on this topic.

IMO, any organisation that is working against those mullah f#@*@%s and their extremist henchmen deserves a medal. So why are they on the terrorist list?

Hhhhmmmm. Looks like a lying liberano, sounds like a lying liberano, well ted your lying liberano ass is showing......

I hear he has been trying to get them off the list in fact and is very familiar with them.

So first you're quoting Peggy Nash, and now it's "I hear"?

Lame.

Here is the United States State Department Designation of the terrorist group that Jason Kenney was meeting with -
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/23311.htm

Why has the Prime Minister NOT asked for Mr. Kenney's resignation?

Isn't it funny that the anti-Americans us the USA when it fits there agenda?

Robert:

I'm sure the organization has lofty aims at taking down the current Iranian regime. Wikipedia (which isn't the best source but at least it is accessible) thinks they aren't so very much better than what is there now. I'd provide the direct links but this post will get bumped by Kate's filter. Look it up at Wikipedia.

First of all, the terrorist group that Jason Kenney welcomed on behalf of the government operates under many recognized names:

The People's Mujahedin of Iran (PMOI) is an Iranian opposition group. Other names for it include Mujahideen-e-Khalq Organization (MKO) and Mojahedin-e-Khalq (MEK). Its armed wing is called the National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA). It is also known as National Council of Resistance (NCR) of Iran.

I also understand that it goes by a whole bunch of other names (some of which may simply be different translations of the same Persian name).

What are its lofty goals one may ask? Well, Wikipedia has an aswer for that as well:

According to reports and documents of the U.S. Department of State, the philosophy of the MEK is a combination of Marxism and Islam. Formed in 1965 against the Shah's authoritarian government, the organization was expelled from Iran after the Islamic Revolution in 1979, and its primary support came from the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein starting in the late 1980s. The MEK conducted anti-Western attacks prior to the Islamic Revolution. Since then, it has conducted terrorist attacks against the interests of the cleric-dominated governmental system in Iran and abroad. The MEK advocates the overthrow of the Iranian government and its replacement with the group’s own leadership.

Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the group received all of its military assistance, and most of its financial support, from the former Iraqi government. The MEK also has used front organizations to solicit contributions from expatriate Iranian communities. The PMOI has been officially designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation by the United States and is proscribed by the European Union (EU).

Three appeals of this designation have been turned down by the State Department (once under Clinton and twice under Bush).

They are also on our list of terrorist organizations.

I just love to watch the echo chamber squirm and contort when faced with the hypocrisy of one they revere.

Ted

Just found this nugget from Hansard (via Giant Political Mouse: giantpoliticalmouse.blogspot.com).

It seems that Mr. Kenney is not the only Conservative MP who has met with this terrorist group. It seems that the current Minister of SECURITY also has close contacts with and meets with this terrorist organization. He even admited in Parliament as recorded in Hansard!

This is going to get bigger and bigger. What rank hypocrisy.

Ted

So what do we have here? We have the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada and the Federal Minister of Security who have both been meeting with and talking to a group that the United States Dept of State says is a dangerous terrorist organization. Well, well, well. Exactly what is going on in Ottawa with this Conservative government.

We want answers. How about we start with an official enquiry

Oh, just found some more.

Fred's list was actually the list from the US State Department. This is the from the Canadian Ministry of Public Safety, you know, Stock Day's charge (http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp#mek30):
Mujahedin e Khalq (MEK)
Also known as:
From its original Persian name, Sãzimãn‑i Mujãhidn‑i Khalq‑i Irãn (Holy Warrior Organization of the Iranian People) / Sazman‑i Mojahedin‑i Khalq‑i Iran (Organization of the Freedom Fighters of the Iranian People) / Sazeman‑e Mojahedin‑e Khalq‑e Iran (Organization of People’s Holy Warriors of Iran) / Sazeman‑e‑Mujahideen‑e‑Khalq‑e‑Iran, the group’s name was shortened to Mujahedin‑e‑Khalq (MEK) or Mojahedin‑e Khalq Organization (MKO). Other spellings: Mujahiddin e Khahq, al‑Khalq Mujahideen Organization , Mujahedeen Khalq, Modjaheddins khalg, Moudjahiddin‑é Khalq. The MEK is also known as: National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA) (the military wing of the MEK) / Armée de Libération nationale iranienne (ALNI); People’s Mujahidin Organization of Iran (PMOI) / People’s Mujahedin of Iran (PMOI) / Organisation des moudjahiddin du peuple d’Iran (OMPI) / Organisation des moudjahidines du peuple

Description:
The Mujahedin‑e‑Khalq (MEK) is an Iranian terrorist organization that was based in Iraq until recently. It subscribes to an eclectic ideology that combines its own interpretation of Shiite Islamism with Marxist principles. The group aspires to overthrow the current regime in Iran and to establish a democratic, socialist Islamic republic. This Islamic socialism can only be attained through the destruction of the existing regime and the elimination of Western influence, described as "Westoxication" . To achieve this Islamic ideology, the use of physical force, armed struggle or jihad is necessary. Besides having had an alliance with Saddam Hussein, the organization has or had ties with: Amal, the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI), the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), Al Fatah, and other Palestinian factions. The MEK is even suspected of past collusion with the regime of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Date listed
May 24, 2005

Finally, CSIS weighs in on some examples of why Kenney's terrorist friends are listed on the terrorist group listing (www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/publications/perspectives/200004.asp):

On 5 April, 1992, the Iranian Air Force conducted a bombing raid on an MEK base in Iraq. Hours later, forty MEK supporters wielding sticks, crowbars and mallets attacked the Iranian embassy in Ottawa, wounding several people. Near-simultaneous attacks were carried out on Iranian Embassies in thirteen other countries around the world

On 15 February, 1999, PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan was arrested in Kenya. The next day, violent PKK supporters rioted in Montreal, and a day later in Ottawa. Several police officers were wounded, including one who lost an eye, and another who was set on fire with a Molotov cocktail.

These incidents make it clear that MEK and PKK support networks in Canada are directly linked to their parent organizations abroad. Terrorist support here contributes to the groups’ activities internationally, and when those activities trigger retaliation, violence can reverberate in Canada.

I think I'll call it a night. That's probably too much information for the Kenney Kool-aid drinkers around here. Don't want your heads to implode or anything.

If I were Harper, keen on getting a majority, I'd be thinking about dumping him right now.

Ted

Oh, OK, just one more. Can't resist.

From our estimable Prime Minister earlier this week:

"I think those who associate themselves with Hezbollah in this country are operating beyond the pale, and they are frankly operating in defence of an organization that is an illegal criminal organization in this country," Harper said.

Goodnight kiddies.

Ted

According to the current CTV.ca article, the rally Kenney addressed was organized by the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran. The photo and news article however appeared on the website of the National Council of Resistance of Iran. It is only this latter organization (the NCRI) which is known to be an alias for the MEK.

Interestingly though, I found the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran was a co-sponsor of a "seminar addressing issues of fundamentalism" in Toronto late last year. Speakers at that event included Liberal MP Yasmin Ratansi, Conservative MP Paul Forseth and independent David Kilgour. Now, since this group was able to co-sponsor such an event with speakers from both major parties, either this group has no known terrorist ties or such ties were (untill yesterday) unknown. See http://www.stopfundamentalism.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=223&Itemid=71

This would seem to indicate the rally was not organized by a terrorist group, but rather by a group who has conducted legitimate human rights work within Canada in the recent past. The NCRI reported on the rally because it was protesting the planned execution of a political prisoner (yes a PMOI prisoner). However, there is no indication even in the NCRI article that there was NCRI involvement in the planning or organization of the event.

I'll admit I'm still not totally sure what exactly to make of this event, but I'm pretty sure it is not as straight forward as "Kenney addressed a known terrorist organization".

If you go down to the woods today
You better not go alone;
'Cause today's the day the teddy bears
Eat their Iggy, and Bob, and Denis, and Borys, ... ...-

STOP IGGY STOP IGGY STOP IGGY STOP IGGY

Who Are We?

We are Liberals who are deeply concerned by Michael Ignatieff’s candidacy for leadership of the Liberal Party.

Why Do We Think That Ignatieff is so Dangerous?

For the following reasons:

His right-wing views regarding torture, the war in Iraq, and the weaponization of space.
Click here for more of Ignatieff’s writings on these subjects.

The undemocratic behavior and lack of transparency exhibited by Mr. Ignatieff and his team, which began with his parachuted debut.
Click here to find out more about Iggy's team and the ways in which they have twisted the democratic mechanisms of the Liberal Party in their campaign to hoist him to the throne.

His utter hypocrisy in suddenly renouncing all of his previously-held convictions as soon as he entered political life. This seemingly effortless ability to flip-flop from one position to another demonstrates his complete self-interest, and absolute lack of conviction. More importantly, it means that we cannot afford to trust him.

While Ignatieff was born here and holds a Canadian passport, until the summer of 2005, he had not lived in this country for over 30 years. In fact, he only returned with the express purpose of running for office. Furthermore, during his academic life, he has consistently written as an American. But the most glaring manner in which Mr. Ignatieff’s lack of Canadian identity lies in the fact that he has spent his life shunning the values which Canadians hold most dear.
To read Mr. Iggy’s American musings, click here. ...-
http://stopiggy.com/

Ted when you read on:In an interview with the Star, Kenney said he did not remember attending the rally, then recalled an invitation from "something called the Committee for Human Rights in Iran."
The invitation came from a man Kenney said he met at the foreign affairs sub-committee on human rights.
Kenney, MP for Calgary Southeast, said he "would be shocked" to hear his picture was posted on the group's political wing website.
Directed to the website, Kenney said he was "completely unaware of the context as it is presented here, even though we had done our due diligence."
He said he did not know the rally was in support of PMOI prisoners. He said it was a small crowd of about 30 people.
"I told them I would pass by if I could. And I was running up to the Hill, I just literally grabbed a megaphone and said that the Canadian people would stand in solidarity with the Iranian people in their wish for respect for human dignity and human rights and democracy, and these were universal aspirations that all people in every country deserve to have respected, and you know, our government will stand for those universal values.
"I honestly don't recall any particular grievance that they had about any particular person in Iran or Iraq or somebody who's pending execution. At least that wasn't brought to my attention."
Kenney said he is well aware that the PMOI is also known as the MEK and is listed as a terrorist group. He then specifically recalled questioning the man who invited him — whose name he said he could not recall — at a meeting in Kenney's office after the parliamentary committee meeting. He asked if the man had any ties to "those radicals in the People's Mojahedin. And he laughed or denied it or something."
"I wanted to be sure there wasn't a connection," said Kenney. "I came away with the impression that there was no connection whatsoever."
Kenney said he also later asked a staffer to double-check the background of the Committee for Human Rights in Iran to be sure it was a mainstream organization. The staffer said he couldn't "seem to find anything problematic about them."
An Internet search doesn't turn up any website for a group by that name.
"I guess I was stung," Kenney said.
On Tuesday, Kenney slammed a trio of opposition MPs who visited Lebanon and who called for a dialogue with Hezbollah, which has a political wing and elected members in the Lebanese government, in order to reach a peace plan.
Kenney compared Hezbollah to the German Nazi party of the 1930s and said there should be no talks with a terrorist organization even if it boasts democratic support.
"We need to learn the lessons of history," Kenney told a news conference. "There was another political party in the past which had democratic support, which provided social services, which played an important role in the political life of Germany in the 1930s, which was also dedicated to violence against the Jewish people."
Kenney said Nash's criticisms are "utterly ridiculous."
"Peggy Nash and company were explicitly talking about negotiations with Hezbollah, a banned illegal terrorist organization.
"I, of course, would never advocate the delisting of the MEK or the People's Mojahedin or any other organization deemed by our security and intelligence agencies to be a terrorist entity."

Ted is the guy who met with Kenney after the parliamentary committee meeting and lied to him.

Hey, Ted... What colour are my socks? Ya mean ya don't know??? Well you SURE AS HELL are inferring Kenney knew who the "PMO" or "MEK" or whatever were when he showed up at their little rally.
Question: what/who is Hezbollah? Oh, yeah, they've been in the news weekly, if not daily, since 1983.
NOW do you see the difference, Einstein?
Why didn't you simply post your 6:20 P.M. post right off the bat? Didn't YOU know who the hell they were or are? I personally think anything you've EVER known about any of these Iranian groups to which you refer you've just learned within the last 24 hours. So get off your high horse. Twit.

One incident--and I'm not convinced--does not a hypocrite make. You're walking on very thin ice, Ted.

You've chosen the wrong politician to try to smear, and your tactics are questionable because you're trying desperately to divert attention from the Hezbollah-supporting members of your own party such as Borys and Denis C., not to mention the soft underbelly of your party, and the hacker scandal trying to undermine support for Micheal Ignatieff.

Ted, it's admirable, I guess, to be loyal and faithful, but don't compromise yourself trying to defend the indefensible when it comes to the Librano$. I'm sorry if I seem disrespectful, but I can't bring myself to call the party you're defending "the Liberals." There's nothing 'liberal' about them.

They're all about power at any cost, even when it means deameaning and belittling their opponents and twisting reality via their own "ad" agencies or by their allies in the MSM.

Do yourself a favour: Stop defending the indefensible. The Liberals are showing their true colours every day (which are getting darker and darker) and Jason Kenney isn't for the taking.

Allow me to say this as politely as I can: Please shove off.

oohh..look out Terrible Ted and his wonder puppy Left dog (tm) are looking to bring down "shame" and calls of "hypocrisy" on the Conservatives

so what..*yawwn* if you can't see the difference in peoples actions on this issue,and keep producing paper thin "facts" and quote peons like Nash, how exactly does that work for you?

If a lefty whimpers in the woods,does one care if one hears said fool? or is he best left to turn to moss?

trudeau luvfest breaks out in full swing at CBCpravda.

>

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/08/24/hello-magazine.html

cal2, I just peeked at the CBC's hype about the Canadian edition of Hello! with a full spread on the Trudeaus.

OUCH! Canada's Kennedy Family? (Even though it isn't true, what would be so great about that?)

Anyone got a shovel, a wheelbarrow, and a garden?

Perhaps Ted will apologize tomorrow.

(he certainly did try hard to make it into a big story)

And it may mark me as being (slightly) over forty, but I wouldn't use Wikpedia as a definitive "authority" for anything.

The Red Terror is alive. The Red Terror has many heads, a hydra. Vide: the left liberal commenters above. ...-

Russian Footprints
What does Moscow have to do with the recent war in Lebanon?

By Ion Mihai Pacepa

The Kremlin may be the main winner in the Lebanon war. Israel has been attacked with Soviet Kalashnikovs and Katyushas, Russian Fajr-1 and Fajr-3 rockets, Russian AT-5 Spandrel antitank missiles and Kornet antitank rockets. Russia’s outmoded weapons are now all the rage with terrorists everywhere in the world, and the bad guys know exactly where to get them. The weapons cases abandoned by Hezbollah were marked: “Customer: Ministry of Defense of Syria. Supplier: KBP, Tula, Russia.”

Today’s international terrorism was conceived at the Lubyanka, the headquarters of the KGB, in the aftermath of the1967 Six-Day War in the Middle East. I witnessed its birth in my other life, as a Communist general. Israel humiliated Egypt and Syria, whose bellicose governments were being run by Soviet razvedka (Russian for “foreign intelligence”) advisers, whereupon the Kremlin decided to arm Israel’s enemy neighbors, the Palestinians, and draw them into a terrorist war against Israel.

General Aleksandr Sakharovsky, who created Communist Romania’s intelligence structure and then rose to head up all of Soviet Russia’s foreign intelligence, often lectured me: “In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon.”

Between 1968 and 1978, when I broke with Communism, the security forces of Romania alone sent two cargo planes full of military goodies every week to Palestinian terrorists in Lebanon. Since the fall of Communism the East German Stasi archives have revealed that, in 1983 alone, its foreign intelligence service sent $1,877,600 worth of AK-47 ammunition to Lebanon. According to Vaclav Havel, Communist Czechoslovakia shipped 1,000 tons of the odorless explosive Semtex-H (which can’t be detected by sniffer dogs) to Islamic terrorists — enough for 150 years.

The terrorist war per se came into action at the end of 1968, when the KGB transformed airplane hijacking — that weapon of choice for September 11, 2001 — into an instrument of terror. In 1969 alone there were 82 hijackings of planes worldwide, carried out by the KGB-financed PLO. In 1971, when I was visiting Sakharovsky at his Lubyanka office, he called my attention to a sea of red flags pinned onto a world map hanging on the wall. Each flag represented a captured plane. “Airplane hijacking is my own invention,” he claimed. ...-
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13385.3

HAHAHAHA......sureal very sureal.

Canadian Lebanese welcome resignation of Wrzesnewskyj, call for more measures

Press Release from the Canadian Lebanese Coordinating Council (LCCC)

August 24/ ‎‏2006‏ For Immediate Release

The Liberal Party ought to deal with MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj in the same way it dealt with Ex MP Carolyn Parrish

The LCCC commends the Liberal Party caucus which apparently has convinced beleaguered Liberal MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj to immediately resign his position as deputy foreign affairs critic in the aftermath of his questionable and condemned comments uttered in Lebanon while on a fact-finding Middle East mission with two other opposition MPs. He openly suggested that Canada should negotiate with Hezbollah.

The LCCC does not actually consider that this very sensitive case, which has created a great deal of public uproar, should simply end with Mr. Wrzesnewskyj’s resignation. In this context, we call on the Liberal Party leadership to seriously consider applying the same problem solving process that was executed with ex MP Carolyn Parrish.

The LCCC reiterates its denunciation of Mr.Wrzesnewskyj’s outrageous comments and affirms its strong belief that Hezbollah and all other organizations and groups that are on the Canadian terror list should not be negotiated with unless they completely fulfill all the legal provisions stipulated in the Terrorist Act and prove with no shred of doubt that they have given up and practically abandoned all the tactics, conduct, ideology, attitudes and behavior that initially were behind their classification as terror groups.

For the LCCC
Elias Bejjani/Chairman ...-
http://www.judeoscope.ca/breve.php3?id_breve=2424

Hold on here just a second...Ted, tell me you didn't use Wikipedia to help prove your point. If you had been paying attention, you'd realize that your pal and mine Stephen Colbert recently gave Wikipedia the comedic version of the backhanded slap over their assertions of the world's elephant population.

Good catch by Alan. Although the argument can be made that Jason Kenney should've done his due diligence before addressing the crowd, he admits he made a mistake. Despite the resignations, I have yet to hear one of these displaced Liberals actually say that what they did was wrong. Ted, or anyone still trying to equivocate by saying "But but but Jason Kenney!", if you can provide a link where any of them state their views were wrong on this matter, I will gladly rescind my remarks.

I can't believe that anyone is actually debating with these fools!
The link is still freekin hilarious.....

Ted,

Kenney knew who these people were. He tried to fly to one of their rallies in Paris earlier this year on my tax dollars last spring, but even Harper realized just how bad and hypocritical that would look.

Another great example of something that didn't happen.

Do you know who paid for Wrzensewskyj's boondoggle? Who wasn't smart enough to realize "just how bad and hypocritical that would look" by sending him?

At August 24, 2006 04:18 PM, I posted:

"The event was organized by the Committee in defense of Human Rights in Iran." - from the article at: http://www.ncr-iran.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1275&Itemid=0

Other things this group has organized:

http://stopfundamentalism.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=223

Google much?

Four hours and many ranting posts later and I'm still waiting for your response, Ted.....

Of course, you'll ignore this tidbit and continue your foaming at the mouth.

Why Jason Kenney will resign (or be asked to resign) his position as Parliamentary Secretary to the Rt. Honourable Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.

1) without the resignation, this will be the dominating topic of Question Period, every day - every day - every day for the entire next session of Parliament.
2) Jason is not in Cabinet (in spite of his loyalty and his hard work) because many believed that something like this with him was possible. He just has such enthusiasm - and in this case he looked before he leapt
3) he broke the golden rule of all successful politicians: 'do not accuse your opponent of that which you yourself do.

Mr. Kenney's tenure as Parliamentary Secretary is now down to hours rather than years, or months , or weeks.

leftdog, can you read? Have you actually followed the links? You guys are so thick. NCRI, PMOI, MEK, ABC, LOL - none of these organizations held the rally. It was the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran. They also held a conference mid-December 2005 on issues of fundamentalism in Iran that had in attendance two MPs: David Kilgour (Independent), Yasmin Ratansi (Liberal). What say you?

Ham:
"A photograph of Kenney at an April rally, organized by the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran, appears on the website of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, the Toronto Star reported Thursday.

The council is the political wing of the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI), which is one of the names used by the Mujaheedin-e-Khalq.

The Mujaheedin-e-Khalq is an armed Iranian rebel group formally designated as a terror group by the governments of Canada, the United States and the European Union.

The Canadian government put the group on its official terror list in May 2005."
CTV

(The Mujaheedin-e-Khalq AND ALL OF ITS NAMES are on the terrorist lists.)
Back to my point - Kenney ACTUALLY DID what he accused the 2 oppositon MP's of PROPOSING BE DONE, and what was that... TALKING TO MEMBERS OF AN OFFICIAL RECOGNIZED TERRORIST GROUP - you are defending a double standard - some of your fellow want to know why that is?

I'm just checking in.

I normally don't link to Wikipedia, just so you know. Very unreliable. But I was at work and it was quick and easy.

Now I've had more time to research this. Including what CSIS, the Ministry of Public Safety and the US State Department all have to say about Jason Kenney's friends.

Oh and there is no way that Kenney did not know who he was dealing with. The President and spokesperson for the organization has been convicted in Canada for violent criminal activities with the MEK. A quick and simple google search connects the "Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran" with PMOI/MEK.

Another quick and simple google search will reveal a lot of ties between Stockwell Day - the bloody Minister of Public Safety in charge of our defence against terrorism - and MEK. He tried to get them de-listed, he sent them his "best wishes" at the July rally Kenney wanted to go to, and even spoke on their behalf in the House of Commons.

But you know what, because I'm such a nice guy, I'm going to save you the trouble of doing even that little bit of searching on your own. Instead, I've compiled it all over at Cerberus: canadiancerberus.blogspot.com/2006/08/jason-kenney-stockwell-day-and-ties-to.html.

Goodnight, folks. I'm off to bed now.

Ted
Cerberus

Hedy Fry...running for the Liberal leadership, sponsored a meeting for the same PMOI group on Parliament Hill.

cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/26/iran050526.

"Conservative MP Paul Forseth says that if the government wants to criminalize support of the People's Mojahedin, it will have to start by arresting several members of Parliament, including Liberals.

"In essence, they're calling their own members of Parliament terrorists, because [Liberal MP] Hedy Fry recently sponsored one of their meetings on Parliament Hill, just as I did the year before," Forseth said."

So everyone wants to acknowledge the group, without acknowledging the group.

Perhaps reassessing their label is in order, sooner rather than later.

Afterall, this is their status as given by the U.S., in actuality now:

....."the remaining 3,500 MEK followers are under the protection of U.S. and coalition forces in Camp Ashraf in Iraq, near the Iranian border.

*****They are now considered refugees and protected persons under the 4th Geneva Convention, which protects non-combatants during an armed conflict.****

MEK followers have surrendered their weapons and been handed over to the Iraqi government.... The International Committee of the Red Cross, the Iraqi human-rights office and the U.N. refugee agency have been given the task of deciding the ultimate status of the remaining members and where they should go.

3w globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050531-terror-list.

Hedy Fry...running for the Liberal leadership, sponsored a meeting for the same PMOI group on Parliament Hill.

cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/26/iran050526.

"Conservative MP Paul Forseth says that if the government wants to criminalize support of the People's Mojahedin, it will have to start by arresting several members of Parliament, including Liberals.

"In essence, they're calling their own members of Parliament terrorists, because [Liberal MP] Hedy Fry recently sponsored one of their meetings on Parliament Hill, just as I did the year before," Forseth said."

So everyone wants to acknowledge the group, without acknowledging the group.

Perhaps reassessing their label is in order, sooner rather than later.

Afterall, this is their status as given by the U.S., in actuality now:

....."the remaining 3,500 MEK followers are under the protection of U.S. and coalition forces in Camp Ashraf in Iraq, near the Iranian border.

*****They are now considered refugees and protected persons under the 4th Geneva Convention, which protects non-combatants during an armed conflict.****

MEK followers have surrendered their weapons and been handed over to the Iraqi government.... The International Committee of the Red Cross, the Iraqi human-rights office and the U.N. refugee agency have been given the task of deciding the ultimate status of the remaining members and where they should go.

3w globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050531-terror-list.

Ted: As I had noted, if in fact Kenney met with them knowing of their links, then shame on him for his very poor judgement. Should he be asked to resign? Hmmm...well, if he had lobbied on their behalf, then absolutely! If he just met and offered them words of encouragement, then no.

With respect to Borys, going on the junket and meeting with the Hezbollah was one thing (foolish and poor judgement), but Borys stepped over the line...he lobbied on their behalf!

This is the difference that you are choosing to ignore and is at the heart of the matter, Ted. Simply meeting and talking is one thing, lobbying is another. You are offering NO EVIDENCE that Kenney lobbied for MEK...whereas we have Borys' OWN WORDS QUOTED as lobbying for the Hezbollah.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill and trying to deflect attention from your corrupt boys to the Conservatives. You are acting like you are simply part of the Liberal propaganda machine, Ted.

PS: As for the Stockwell Day issue, I have no information to go on as to his level of involvement. That's (potentially) another story.

Hezbollahland; Equal Opportunity Rapists.

Then the Muslim rapists came for the left liberal/socialists; allies of the Muslim rapists, purveyors of lies, half-truths, anti-semitism. ...-

First They Came For the Jews: The Story of Yet Another World War
Dhimmiwatch ^ | 25 aug 06 | Fjordman

I have seen so many lies and half-truths by Western mainstream media exposed in the blogosphere, especially related to Islam, that I no
longer trust them for information. Leading bloggers such as Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs recently demonstrated this by showing how photos distributed by international news service Reuters from Lebanon had been grossly manipulated to make Israel look bad. Blogger Zombie argued, in a very convincing way, that the story about Israel deliberately targeting ambulances in Lebanon was full of holes, quite possibly a complete fabrication. It proves how easily, willingly, many Western journalists believe every piece of nonsense Muslims feed them, as long as it's directed against Israel, the United States or the West in general.

I do read traditional media still, and it would be a lie to say that I never get any useful information from them, but in general, I read them mainly to know what information they are feeding the general public, those who still haven't switched to the Internet to follow what's happening in the world. Here are some of my notes from Norwegian media during August 2006. I suspect many of the trends described here are pretty similar throughout Western Europe. The number one local issue of discussion in Norway this month has been the reactions to the editorial "God's chosen people," published in newspaper Aftenposten by famous author Jostein Gaarder in reaction to Israel's military actions in southern Lebanon, to protect itself against attacks by Iran and Syria through their puppet organization Hezbollah.

Gaarder became rich by writing the novel "Sophie's World," which doubles as a guide to the history of Western philosophy and has sold tens of millions of copies around the world. His editorial has been strongly denounced as anti-Semitic by some, but also received support from many. "I must admit that the reactions have been stronger than I expected," Mr. Gaarder said, and confirmed that he had been frightened by this. "I have said it countless times and I can repeat it again: I am a humanist, not an anti-Semite."

In the article, Gaarder argued that the State of Israel "will have no peace before it lays down its arms." "Israel is history. We no longer
recognize the State of Israel. There is no way back. The State of Israel has raped the world's recognition and will not receive peace before it lays down its weapons." "We don't believe in the concept of God's chosen people. We laugh at this people's fancies and weep over their misdeeds. To present themselves as God's chosen people is not just stupid and arrogant, but a crime against humanity. We call it racism." "There are limits to our patience, and there are limits to our tolerance..."

Culture journalist Mona Levin considered the editorial to be "the nastiest thing I have read since [Adolf Hitler's] "Mein Kampf." Gaarder makes it easy for himself, there is nothing that can not be said about Jews today. The same people who would not draw Mohammed out of respect for Muslims can safely say things like this about Jews and Israel without receiving death threats. "It is a shame that a presumably intelligent person calls the Ten Commandments "amusing stone tablets" and kicks away at what both the Christian and Jewish civilizations are built upon," Levin said.

Another much-debated topic in Norwegian media during the same period was an unprecedented rape wave in the capital city of Oslo. "We have seen a dramatic increase [in the number of rapes]," said Endre Sandvik, head of the emergency ward. The number of rapes in Oslo this summer was more than twice as high as it was last year. Brit Opjordsmoen from DIXI, support centre for rape victims, stated in a questions and answers session with Aftenposten's readers that they don't know what percentage of these rapes are committed by people with immigrant background, and that most of these speculations are just "prejudice."

With all due respect, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect, since I've been writing about and documenting this issue for so long that I'm almost getting tired of the subject. The situation is even worse in neighboring Sweden.

Aftenposten have conveniently enough forgotten an article they printed five years ago. In 2001, two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital were immigrants with a non-western background. Another Norwegian newspaper, Dagbladet, quoted Unni Wikan, a female professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo as saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. One reason for the high number of rapes by Muslims was that in their native countries "rape is scarcely punished," since Muslims "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape." The professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but that "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

The number of rapes, muggings and assaults committed by Muslim immigrants in Western countries is so extremely high that it is difficult to view this only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689763/posts

Once again: It was the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran. They also held a conference mid-December 2005 on issues of fundamentalism in Iran that had in attendance two MPs: David Kilgour (Independent), Yasmin Ratansi (Liberal). What say you?

leftdog, you just regurgitate the same old.

Ted, being such a super sleuth, should be able to explain this away. After all, you're now holding CDHRI in account. Can all of these MPs been as stupid as you claim Kenney to be? Waiting...

"trying to equivocate"
is all that any Lib, even the "guardian of hell" can muster.
Ted is the best lib debater on line, and this is all he and his bitch can come up with.
Hilarious if only Threeheads wasn't trying to cover for terrorist supporters.

More faked moral equivalency, and seeing the bloodshot substance abusing pics of Big City Lib are all very encouraging for sane people in Canada.

Hey all... please let this be the last posting on this one.
Ted, your are stupid.
No, it is not an ad hominem attack, because I honestly think you believe the stuff you write.
Goodnight Ted. Go to hell.
Idiot.

Well Joe it would have been the last posting at 01:24 pm today but you just HAD to flap a few more words. If you are going to call someone an Idiot, I would like to bring the discussion back to the begining which is why Jason Kenney (gawd, please save us all) is being defended for being a hypocrite and demonstrating a double standard, NOT TO MENTION that the day before he threw a bunch of gasoline on the fire's of a very volatile middle east. What the heck are you guys thinking? Kenney should resign. He is demonstrating bravado when as a Parliamentary Secretary to the PM, he is supposed to be demonstrating 'leadership'. Or is 'bravado' what you tories call leadership these days? He obviously is lacking in what the word 'honour' means in Parliamentary Secretary circles. (Although he probably spells that 'honor').

Inference... Kenney knew. He didn't. To imply he knew is one HUGE stretch.
Ted's ENTIRE argument is, therefore, flawed, because his premise is incorrect.
Wrznalphabet, on the other hand, knew bloody well who his, ahem... "hosts" were.
So shaddup about it!
You guys lost. Tough darts.

Just did a bunch of biological research on tsetse flies. Used Wikipedia. Man oh man! Lotsa neat stuff, I'll tell ya!
Not quite as obscure as ol' Ted's research on Kenney and Day, but just about as relevant to the subject at hand as Ted's facts... which nobody cares about. Why's he knocking himself out? Who gives a rip?

Ahmadi-Nejad steams & nukes his way to world domination for Islamofascist religious ideology

By Albert Gedraitis, 30 Endean Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4M1W6
Phone/fax: 416-461-5975; E-mail: owlbird@sympatico.ca; owlhoot@mac.com
Check out my Anti-Islamofascist Blog: http://refwritepage1.blogspot.com/

The deadline Iran gave itself to make a major announcement on its nuke has come and gone with 0nly a 20-page technical document of non-compliance to the UN requirement that it stop processing unranium. This development is stark evidence of the Iranian imperialistic goal to establish itself as a new Muslim caliphate: Shi'ite and mullocratic. The nukes under development will underwrite Iran's first colony in Hizbullite Lebanon and undermine the development of a democratic order there. While Iran spends millions in Lebanon it is squeezing its own poor and clamping down on dissident voices, the goal is total control over information and opinion within the country. With the prospect of Iran playing the games of diplomatic discouse at the UNSC, the full unveiling of its colony for what it is, snugly embedded in Lebanon among that country's Shi'ites, blocking its own populace from communicating outside the regime's purview, capable of sending agents into Canada among returning dual citizens from Southern Lebanon and into the USA itself, and now giving the appearance of responding to the appeal of its client (oil) and ally (diplomacy, munitions) China. Previously Iran used the Hizbullah War for 34 days to distract the world from its nuclear project, now it will use the UNSC talks on uranium and nukes to distract the world from its aggressive activities to rebuild, refortify and re-weaponize the Hizbullah colonials.
Altho there's no knowing how long he will last, in public at least, the man at the helm of Iran gives a public-face to the apocalypticism unique to Persian Shia Islam which may be playing a key role in the multifront campaign to gain the leadership of Muslims worldwide and establish Iran at the hub of a new world empire. The man, whose name in English is widely rendered Ahmadinejad, should better be spelled Ahmadi-Nejad to bring out the crucial term "Ahmadi" which plays a large role in the Presidenct's apocalypticism.
No one can accuse Ahmadinejad of being circumspect about the religious views that shape his worldview. He speaks on those views quite frequently, but they are a taboo subject for Westerners unaccustomed to thinking that is self-consciously religious. The reactionary response is to dismiss it as mental instability or label it as “fundamentalist”, but facing the reality of a nuclear Iran, such a reaction is not only short-sighted and narrow minded, but possibly suicidal. Ahmadinejad’s worldview is shaped by the radical Hojjatieh Shiism that is best represented by Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, the Iranian President’s ideological mentor and marja-e taqlid (object of emulation), of the popular Haqqani religious school located in Qom. The affection seems to be mutual: in the 2k5 Iranian presidential campaign, Ayatollah Yazdi issued a fatwa calling on his supporters to vote for Ahmadinejad.

Rooted in the Shiite ideology of martyrdom and violence, the Hojjatieh sect adds messianic and apocalyptic elements to an already volatile theology. They believe that chaos and bloodshed must precede the return of the 12th Imam, called the Mahdi. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has clearly indicated that he is a true believer in this faith. It has been reported that he has told confidants that he anticipates the immanent return of the Mahdi. When he previously served as Mayor of Tehran, he advocated for widening the roads to accommodate the Mahdi’s triumphal entry into the city. One of his first acts of office as President was to dedicate approximately $20 million to the restoration and improvement of the mosque at Jamkaran, where the Mahdi is claimed to dwell.
This personal belief directs his official policies as President. He has publicly said, “Our revolution’s main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi. We should define our economic, cultural and political policies on the policy of the Imam Mahdi’s return.”

However, Ahmadinejad’s messianism doesn’t stop with the Mahdi. In fact, he has made it clear that he believes he has personally received a divine appointment to herald the imminent arrival of the Mahdi, tacitly acknowledging his own role in setting aright the problems of the world. His belief in a personal divine appointment was best confirmed after his speech to the United Nations last September, which was laden with references to the Mahdi. In the recent war between Israel and Hezbollah, Ahmadi-Nejad and the entire Iranian leadership have stood firmly behind Hezbollah. However, the Iranian public seems wary of a confrontation with Israel and is questioning the wisdom of spending the nation's oil revenues in Lebanon when they are needed at home. Should Iran become embroiled in a further outbreak of fighting, Lebanon may become a domestic political liability.

If the nuclear confrontation with the West does not escalate, Ahmadi-Nejad's ability to project himself as Iran's national champion will diminish. His populist economic policies are unlikely to reduce inflation and unemployment, and they could make life more difficult for the working-class Iranians he claims to represent. He may increasingly be seen as a liability by Khamenei, who may move to sideline him. However much the Hizbullah War may have stirred temporarily Arab and Muslim rejoicing among the masses, Sunni-dominated Arab states instead saw threates to civic order and societal instablity in the Hizbullah adventurism. What, incredibly, this lacks is any sense of the inter-relationship between the threat in the Iranian colony, the threat of Iranian nuclear weaponization, and the Iranian imperialist ideology which threatens even without the glosses of the Hojjatieh sect and Iranian President Ahmadi-Neejad's personal sense of an apocalyptic vocation. I feel all these matters matter to the Sunni royals and other political leaders.

-- Politicarp

Far funnier is the LIBERAL PART OF CANADA's response to Hezboliberal.com

It's as if there were no liberal politicans matrching behind the Hezbollah flag in Montreal's streets! Here's the text of the letter.

------- Liberal Party Lawyer's Letter Follows -------

To whom it may concern,
Please be advised that the use of the Liberal Party of Canada's logo and the link to the Liberal Party's website, through the website http://www.hezboliberal.com/ hosted by your company, is a breach of Canadian Copyright and Trademarks laws. The references on that website are also slanderous and libelous.
Please ask your client to remove any reference to the Liberal Party of Canada using any sign, logo or other identification owned by the Liberal Party of Canada.
I trust you will govern yourself accordingly.
Guy Régimbald

Guy Régimbald
Director of Legal Affairs and Legal Counsel
Directeur des affaires juridiques et avocat-conseil
Liberal Party of Canada/Parti Libéral du Canada
Tel: 613-783-8405
Cell: 613-294-3372
Fax: 613-235-7208
Email/Courriel: gregimbald@liberal.ca
www.liberal.ca

PEOPLE / CANADIANS! Give Mr. Regimbald the phone calls, e-mails, and messages that he so obviously crabves.