Tip, Kate: don't carry fluids on flights now...

I saw Bush looking very weary this morning. He has had the weight of the world on his shoulders with no help in sight. Half of his citizens are against him, half his neighbors, a good fraction of the world's population, seemingly.

I wonder if he isn't wanting to say screw it! Why am I putting myself, my troops, and my alies through this for a bunch of selfish ingrates and worse.

Buck up George, don't let them get at you. It's not as bad as the media would have us believe.

Ugh, more Falun Gong propoganda from the Epoch Times.

Next up, communist truths from Pravda.

I've settled on the term "Islamic extremists."

It identifies origin without making any blanket statement about an entire religion.

And it recognizes the difference between extremist and fundamentalist.

Bush's "Islamic fascists" was good though!

Unconventional, non-specific, counter-secular immoderates?

Oops!

I use "Islamist" rather than "Islamic."

JJM: "I use "Islamist" rather than "Islamic.""

Like some use "Zionist" rather than "Jew".

If you see the movie "Obsession" you'll realise the correct term is Islamo-fascist. What is really interesting about this movie is that it highlights the direct links between the secular fascism of the Nazis with the religious variety of islam.

It’s not just Bush looking tired, Britain has the same problem, Tony Blair is a pretty lonely guy too. The majority of Britons have internalized the world views that they hear on their airwaves everyday from the BBC, al- Reuters, The Guardian, The Independent et al.
Melanie Phillips' book title "Londonistan" says it all.

Harper is fresh, but already I think he has become greyer since taking office. I send an encouraging note about once a month to the CPC site.

You have to be a bit nuts to even want to do these jobs. Many still don’t want to admit it but Bush/Blair are our wartime leaders – like Churchill and Roosevelt were. This war against – whatever you want to call it – Islamofascism, Terrorism, Jihadism – will go on for decades and we’ve just started out on it. Should it have started in Iraq or in Londonistan? That will become a moot point. We have to win everywhere and the potential enemy is 100’s of millions strong and is global. We’ve never fought a war like this. We can't just leave like in Vietnam. The enemy potentially lives on our street, it's homegrown.

Canadians are incredibly naive in their Bush/Blair bashing. McGuinty can’t even handle Caledonia. The head of the OPP resigned. We’re and old democracy born in 1867 and we still can’t enforce our laws – yet I hear all kinds of advice on how to fight global warfare from the same people who I’ve noticed have trouble organizing routine things like a move from one house to another.

Thank God for PMSH our wartime PM.
I hope he can keep us united as a country and keep us strong.

I tried to register with the Chicago Tribune, which requires a 5-digit zip code, so that I could read about the Hezbollah/Dearborn, Michigan connection.

'Anyone figure out how to register without a zip code? Registration won't accept 5 digits of our postal code or no zip or postal code.

...Up a creek...

90210
google search michigan zip code
enough

Or if you're old enough to have sat through countless episodes of Let's Make A Deal, like I did, your brain is indelibly stamped with the fact that many of the items showcased by Carol Merril were from the Spiegel catalogue, the mailing address of which was Chicago, 60601.

I always use 60601 whenever a zip is required.

Bush knows he's running out of time to deal with the likes of Iran & Syria, and clean up Iraq, before he leaves office. Two years from now he'll effectively be a lame duck. The risk of leaving Iran in particular to the next administration, God forbid it be Democratic, is too high to contemplate, and if the Democrats gain either the House or Senate in November, it'll be full-speed ahead with sham impeachment proceedings, stonewalling, partisan grandstanding, and generally making life hell for Bush. Who knows how much longer Blair will be around, and Bush doesn't have any other stanch allies on the international scene with the clout to get things done.

Who wouldn't be looking pretty haggard contemplating all that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQA-R2CSItU
lookie what I found
a slideshow of the Toronto terror suspects sung, with new lyrics, to the tune of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
it seems to also encompass the London subway terror attack

A few comments -

I find it puzzling how the left self-defines themselves and expects others to accept these self definitions. The left is now consistently referring to itself as 'Progressive'. Wierd and illogical. That's an evaluative term which must be used in comparison to another group (we are progressive and they are not..). But this evaluation doesn't stand up to scrutiny, for the attributes of 'we are progressive in doing THIS; and they are regressive in doing THAT' is both never carried out - and is entirely a subjective conclusions. There is nothing progressive about the left.

I see also at 'catnip' that people like Ti-Guy, a visitor to right blogs, self-defines the left as moderate, as never engaged in name-calling or abusive attacks, as distinctly 'civilized' in comparison to the right. I disagree; both sides are composed of human beings and both sides engage in trolling, name-calling and abusive attacks. There's a deeper difference - and it's simply that the left privileges the group and rejects the individual - and the right, is vice versa. The left politically embraces big centralized top down governance; the right - the opposite.

Can either side then add a qualitative, judgmental adjective - such as the left adds to itself, namely 'progressive'? No.

I think Spiegel was 60609.

Immigration "Death Wish"

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/08/death-wish-for-terrorist-attack.html

Harris said the problem of homegrown terrorists also stems from flawed immigration policies, since Canada is building "colonies of isolation" with the extensive penetration of certain ethnic groups.

Thanks, enough, MM, and Jonesy: But how do you get around registering your Canadian address, which won't match the zip--or do you just make up a Chicago address? I'm new to all of this--thus my moniker nkotb--and really find it irksome that I might have to lie to register to read an article. At this point, unless someone takes pity on those of us who are Web-challenged and cuts and pastes the article into comments, I'll have to pass...

'Safe trip, Kate.

I'll call them Islamic fascists. My reasons for this are because their ideology is both Islamic and fascist.

It's Islamic because it justifies its agenda within the mandate of the Koran, which is world domination of Islam and death or servitude to any and all who reject Islam.

It's fascist because this mandate rests within a fictional 'fantasia' description of reality. This fictional reality assumes an a priori Purity of Islam and Islamic peoples, who are mandated by a metaphysical Force (Allah) to conquer the world. The notion of an a priori Will to Power to express an innate Purity - is fascist.

Notice that both ideologies; that of the religious and that of the essence, are fictional rather than factual accounts of reality. You can't argue with someone who is living within a fictional world, for they reject reality, they reject facts and prefer their fictions.

That's what makes them dangerous - those two fictions which assert their religion and mandate as dominant - and the fictional nature of this agenda.

Fictional reality is a purely emotional reality. There's no possibility of reason. This is something that the left doesn't understand. They are insisting that the 'terrorists' are merely angry people, rational people who are angry at what the West has done to the ME.

The left is ignoring that the Islamic militant has ravaged the West in the feudal period, because of that agenda of domination - and the West doesn't mutter and simmer, now, over the centuries, insisting on 'retribution for what you did to my village in Spain in 1200 AD'.

The left is utterly ignoring the current Islamic wars in Somalia and the Sudan. Not a word from them about Muslims killing people - for tribal domination.

And, the left utterly ignores that the root cause of this modern Islamic fascism is an unevolved, regressive religious ideology, which is used as a front, a cover, for a basic dysfunctional economic-political mode of tribalism.

Islamic fascism is not due to the West. Its causes are firmly rooted in Islam and in the ME refusal to modernize and empower its people; its refusal to move out of the restrictive rule of tribalism.

Jonesy,

I think you're right. So much for the "indelible" part.

I don't need to add a comment to this, just read it.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/08/on_the_virtues_.html#more

new kid,

I admire the fact you don't want to lie just to get information.

Seems that others here that place themselves on a throne of righteousness have no problem being deceitful.

Check out Urban Refugee's shipping dilemma - he's got a pretty good tongue in cheek commentary @ http://www.urbanrefugee.ca/content/498

I have come across a couple of cool video slideshows at youtube, with connections to the Toronto Terror Plot
a guy singing off-key Beatles songs with his own lyrics
not too bad...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQA-R2CSItU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb_k3v5joIY

New Kid – where it says state – just go to the bottom and put in non-usa

After reading a link to a T.O. Star story; "Hellbrew" cheap and simple to make, from Bourque. I am reminded of the Tim Hortons' incident this spring and the fact that the media and politicians are so careful not to label and downplay recent demonstrations.

ET, I think “progressive” is just code for equal. The left needs to feel morally superior and they do that by treating all cultures as equal. That’s what multi-culti is all about – Marxism by stealth so they can redistribute wealth equally. The type of people that are attracted to this ideology are so self-loathing that they can’t bare to think there is someone higher up on the ladder than they are (higher morally or economically). It’s fictional to think all cultures are equal. They aren’t. Nor are all athletes equal. Nothing is equal, but the progressives can’t tolerate that reality.

But because our democratic/capitalist culture is politically and economically dominant throughout the globe, therefore “progressives” like Mike Wallace need to help Iranian thugs feel equal to Bush/Blair. Mike says the little Iranian Armadillo is “attractive and smart” -even though Armadillo says he wants to annihilate Israel. Israel is much more successful than Iran is even though Iran sits on oil. Iran is inferior to Israel in every way. We all know that. So progressive Mike is trying to level the playing field to make Armadillo feel equal.

That’s a totally dysfunctional way to view the world. Sensible people know that, sensible people will prevail. They aren’t going to buy what a cynical old man like Mike tells them - are they?

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That tourist that was stabbed and killed in Jerusalem? Seems he was an Italian "activist" [or insert your own description here]

Via Ynet News:

Angelo Frammartino, a 24 year-old student from Italy who arrived in Israel as a human rights organization activist, was stabbed to death Thursday by an Arab knifeman.

"He believed in what he did and was always ready to help others," a friend described him.

The website of Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera reported that Frammartino was working for the setting up of a children's supper camp for Palestinians in Jerusalem's Old City, and was supposed to return to Italy on Friday.

The youth was stabbed in the back while walking with four friends in the Sultan Suleiman street in the capital, near the Prahim Gate.

The attacker left the knife at the scene of the crime and fled. Police set up checkpoints in the area and arrested three suspects for suspected involvement.

It is believed that the attack was a nationalistically motivated terror attack, and not an attempted robbery.

Resuscitation attempts by Magen David Adom paramedics who arrived on the scene could not save him, and Frammartino was declared dead due to loss of blood.

Frammartino, a resident of Monta Rotondo, arrived in Israel at the start of the month with an Italian organization, ARCI, working to advance human rights in the world.

He planned for the experience for a year and was chosen with another youth from his city to take part in the project.

Frammartino was a law student. "He was very interested in politics and in the issues of society, like his father," said Monta Rotondo's Mayor, Anonino Lopi. "Something so beautiful ended in such a tragic way," he added.

The mayor expressed his condolescenes on behalf of the whole city.

In a letter sent a few months ago to a local newspaper, Angelo expressed his world view: "We must recognize that in a situation with no violence is a luxury in many parts of the world, but we are not seeking to prevent legitimate self defense operations. [emphasis Matt's] I never dreamt of condemning the resistance, the blood of the Vietnamese, the blood of nations under colonial occupation, or the blood of Palestinian youths from the first intifada," he said.

Angelo's neighbor said his parents were worried by their son's request to go on a 'different holiday,' but were proud of it and did not oppose. They set out on holiday, leaving their eldest daughter, Francesca, at home. She was alone when the news from Jerusalem came.

"My parents are on holiday. When they return, the house will never be the same as before," said a neighbor who burst out in tears. "He was a golden guy. He dealt with politics but he wasn't an extremist. He was just a pacifist, the poor guy."

How are you liking those legitimate self defense operations now, Angelo?

Mark Steyn's "we are all infidels" seems rather appropriate here.

The 7 Fronts Of the War On Terror

By Youssef Ibrahim
August 11, 2006

New York Sun

ET,

Bravo. Nice disection of it all.....

EUreferendum blog: Revenge: How sweet it is. Must see the "exclusive" photo/faux/graph ...-

Meanwhile, we have also learnt that, after reading her own organisation's statement of news values, Kathleen Carroll, senior vice president and executive editor for Associated Press, had decided to carry out her own personal investigation into the media conduct at Qana on 30 July. Again, we have acquired an exclusive photograph from the Reuters news agency, showing Mz Carroll re-staging events at the scene. ...-

bush was never 'presidential'.

he is a frat boy whut got lucky.

he is a doorknob (oh how apt THAT slang term) that needs to be twisted by the oil boys to get at the connections daddy has with cia, white house, saudis, etc.

a stuttering parrot relying on a script given him by the powers-that-be.

how 'presidential' is THAT?

Other reasons why G.W.B. may look a little haggard these days -

"... if the rhetoric of the Bush revolution lives on, the revolution itself is over. The question is not whether the president and most of his team still hold to the basic tenets of the Bush doctrine -- they do -- but whether they can sustain it. They cannot. Although the administration does not like to admit it, U.S. foreign policy is already on a very different trajectory than it was in Bush's first term. The budgetary, political, and diplomatic realities that the first Bush team tried to ignore have begun to set in.

The reversal of the Bush revolution is a good thing. By overreaching in Iraq, alienating important allies, and allowing the war on terrorism to overshadow all other national priorities, Bush has gotten the United States bogged down in an unsuccessful war, overstretched the military, and broken the domestic bank. Washington now lacks the reservoir of international legitimacy, resources, and domestic support necessary to pursue other key national interests."

From "The End of the Bush Revolution," by Philip H. Gordon, Foreign Affairs, July/August 2006. (Preview at www.foreignaffairs.org/20060701faessay85406/philip-h-gordon/the-end-of-the-bush-revolution.)

I wonder how long it will be before the islamists turn on their leftist supporters.

its quite common really, biting the hand that .... etc

and what will the leftists have to say about that as their noggins are lopped off?

but, but ..... we suPPPPPORTED you all those years !!!!!!

nomdenet: Thanks for the tech. help: 'much appreciated. For others who might want to read the article about the connection between Hezbollah and Dearborn, Michigan, from an August 3 article entitled "FBI monitors Detroit area for activity related to Hezbollah," here's the Web site address:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/michigan/chi-ap-mi-mideastfighting-m,1,4361465.story

"...We find any support for murderous terrorist organizations like al-Qaida or Hezbollah very disappointing, if not disturbing," [Eric] Straus [chief of the counterterrorism unit at the U.S. attorney's office in Detroit] said.

"But Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News of Dearborn and spokesman for the Council of Arab American Organizations, said he doesn't think federal pressure will shake support for Hezbollah.

"'Who should they chant for? George Bush, the one who's sending Israel bombs to kill their relatives, to kill more people?'" Siblani said. 'If they want to prosecute us, prosecute us. Let them get their buses, line them up and haul us out.'

"About 300,000 southeastern Michigan residents have roots in the Arab world, among them thousands with close relatives in Lebanon. About 72,000 Jews live in the area, mainly descendants of immigrants from Eastern Europe."

I'd say prosecute them, for sure.

And "who should they chant for?": If not George Bush then no one. They're U.S. citizens (just like the Montrealers who took to the streets under the Hezbollah flag are CANADIAN citizens), and should leave their ME politics in the ME. If they can't do that, they need to go back from where they came--and pronto.

If these Arab Americans can't get it through their heads that Hezbollah, as a proxy for Iran, is a deadly enemy of the U.S. and all Western countries, then they'd better get an attitude adjustment or take their deadly politics where it belongs: BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST.

'Bye, bye...

nomdenet: Thanks for the tech. help: 'much appreciated.

In part, it says, "...We find any support for murderous terrorist organizations like al-Qaida or Hezbollah very disappointing, if not disturbing," [Eric] Straus [chief of the counterterrorism unit at the U.S. attorney's office in Detroit] said.

"But Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News of Dearborn and spokesman for the Council of Arab American Organizations, said he doesn't think federal pressure will shake support for Hezbollah.

"'Who should they chant for? George Bush, the one who's sending Israel bombs to kill their relatives, to kill more people?'" Siblani said. 'If they want to prosecute us, prosecute us. Let them get their buses, line them up and haul us out.'

"About 300,000 southeastern Michigan residents have roots in the Arab world, among them thousands with close relatives in Lebanon. About 72,000 Jews live in the area, mainly descendants of immigrants from Eastern Europe."

I'd say prosecute them, for sure.

And "who should they chant for?": If not George Bush then no one. They're U.S. citizens (just like the Montrealers who took to the streets under the Hezbollah flag are CANADIAN citizens), and should leave their ME politics in the ME. If they can't do that, they need to go back from where they came--and pronto.

If these Arab Americans can't get it through their heads that Hezbollah, as a proxy for Iran, is a deadly enemy of the U.S. and all Western countries, then they'd better get an attitude adjustment or take their deadly politics where it belongs: BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST.

'Bye, bye...

nomdenet, you GOT IT RIGHT. In my opinion, a huge factor in this terrorist bullshit is jealousy. They hate our life style, they hate what we have, they hate our "non-culture" type of society, they hate our common sence, they hate, hate. They hate because they are jealous. Muslims in Austrailia raped girls on the beach because they hated the power beautiful women had over them. Their objective is to infiltrate our countries and destroy our way of life. We are an easy target because of our recent (last 40 years) extreem political correctness.

HOW SIMILIAR is their (ISLAMIC FASCIST, MUSLIM, whatever) methods and jealousy to that of Trudeau like policies imposed on Canadians for the last 40 years ?? Lax imigration for groups like Somolian terrorists, tough on stable Ausies, UKers, ect. Infiltrate us. The criminals have more "rights" than the victims. The poor have a right to be jealous of the haves, level the playing field through crime. Breake down our society. Multiculturalism used to impose other cultures on Canadians and destroy Canada's culture. Caledonia shows the extent political correctness runs our country. Reward failure and tax sucess. Quebec was way behind the ROC 40 years ago, for whatever reason. Jealousy, have to level this. Not by doing better, but by infiltrating the civil service. The MSM goes along with it because chaos and bad news sells more papers. Smooth running countries are no fun for them.

Post above is missing some info, as it got stuck in the filter. 'Quote is from an article in the Chicago Tribune on August 3 about Hezbollah connections in Dearborn, Michigan. The FBI are monitoring the situation.

"Obesity rates poised to rise among Black Canadians"
rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?sh_itm=0493c3a5387563f82ed6e366d867837b&rXn=1&

"Men or Women: Which Is the More Generous Sex?"
www.aei.org/publications/pubID.24564/pub_detail.asp

"Streets are safer for women than men!"
gayandright.blogspot.com/2006/07/streets-are-safer-for-women-than-men.html

"The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now. Israel fights Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south, but its most formidable enemy is history itself."
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006071701154.html?sub=new

US female soldiers treated "lower than dirt"
www.alternet.org/story/38942/

Ethnic Boondoggle Alert: " The Canada-Israel Industrial Research and Development Foundation (CIIRDF) was established in 1994 to promote collaborative R&D between firms in both countries. "
http://www.ciirdf.ca/index.php

America has officially jumped the shark:

"A draft Bush administration plan for special military courts seeks to expand the reach and authority of such "commissions" to include trials...Under the proposed procedures, defendants would lack rights to confront accusers, exclude hearsay accusations, or bar evidence obtained through rough or coercive interrogations. They would not be guaranteed a public or speedy trial and would lack the right to choose their military counsel, who in turn would not be guaranteed equal access to evidence held by prosecutors.

Detainees would also not be guaranteed the right to be present at their own trials, if their absence is deemed necessary to protect national security or individuals."
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101334.html

It's the game theory, stupid:

"Altruism is the practice of placing others before oneself. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures, and central to many religious traditions. In English, this idea was often described as the Golden rule of ethics. In Buddhism it is considered a fundamental property of human nature...Most, if not all of world's religions promote altruism as a very important moral value. Christianity and Buddhism place particular emphasis on altruistic morality, as noted above, but Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and many other religions also promote altruistic behavior. Altruism was central to the teachings of Jesus found in the Gospel."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism

It's the game theory, stupid. From Wiki:

"Altruism is the practice of placing others before oneself. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures, and central to many religious traditions. In English, this idea was often described as the Golden rule of ethics. In Buddhism it is considered a fundamental property of human nature...Most, if not all of world's religions promote altruism as a very important moral value. Christianity and Buddhism place particular emphasis on altruistic morality, as noted above, but Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and many other religions also promote altruistic behavior. Altruism was central to the teachings of Jesus found in the Gospel."

agitfact - because an anti-Bush writer makes certain claims doesn't mean that those claims have any truth.

I certainly reject all of these claims made by the writer.

I wonder - how would YOU deal with Islamic fascism? I myself can't think of any method other than the method of Bush- introduce democracy into die-hard tribal nations, which are the bedroot of this Islamic fascism.

Please - don't say that you'd 'negotiate', for one doesn't negotiate with fundamentalists who live in a fictional world of their own making.

No, don't try the 'Israel recognize Palestine. I completely agree that Israel ought to recognize a Palestinian state - and that it was a disaster to both imagine that Palestinians didn't exist and were 'just Jordanians'; and it was a disaster to occupy those lands - and settle them. Disastrous and morally and politically wrong.
Arafat also didn't want a Palestinian state.
And - none of the ME Arab states wanted a Palestinian state for it would be a democracy and they don't want democracy in the middle of their tribal authorities.

So - what would you suggest be done about Islamic fascism? Remember, both Islam and fascism are irrational ideologies; they aren't open to reason. Would you negotiate and discuss issues with someone who rejects rational discourse?

So- what would you do to stop 9/11, to stop the London subway bombs, the Madrid bombs, the Indonesian bombs, the Islamic militia in Somalia, in the Sudan? What would you do to stop the assertions by the imams that all non-Islams should be killed? What would you do to deal with the plans, the plots, the actions - of bombing civilians? How would you react to their statements of: "we did it because we are angry, here in Toronto, Montreal, New York, London, Paris...for what you are doing in....'. That's how we deal with our anger; we bomb civilians in restaurants".

How would you deal with this?

Yoni says the IDF will march north to the Litani River and maybe beyond.

Death to hezbollah. ...-

Agitfact, how does he define winning or losing this war?
If I’m alive without selling my soul to Islamists and converting .. then I’m winning.

As to strategy/tactics … and the alternative is? Work on relationships with Europe that has disarmed?

Suck up to Vichy-France known to be collaborating with the enemy – oil for food – Total Petroleum, payment through French Banks?
And/or
Suck-up to Putin’s Backsliding Russia – which is also trading with the enemy

Or
Not “over-stretch the military” that got squeezed by the Clinton peace dividend? Gear- up and do what Michael Ladeen suggests - “faster please”

What are YOUR suggestions?

Just reading Michele Malkin dot com re:Annie Jacobsen and Flight 327 posted yest. She was a passenger on the June 2004 flight. Malkin writes: "Jacobsen wrote extensively of her experience on the plane, where a Syrian band acted strangely during take-off and landings--taking turns in the restroom with a McDonald's bag. Jacobsen surmised that the men were on a "dry run" practicing to build bombs on board the plane."

With this info, and other evidence of long-term investigations by our spy agencies; I'm wondering if the Tim's incident wasn't kept hush-hush in order to dig into the bigger picture?

ET,

And you also, who have the background knowledge and analytical ability to make important decisions, What is your plan regarding a precision strike to Iran nuclear targets before August 22nd?

We failed to smoke Hezbollah in 1983 when they killed 241 marines. Reagan gave the go - ahead, but Secretary Winberger stopped it.

Reagan eventually forgave his lifelong friend. I would have had him court martialled.! Oooops..gave my view away there.

So what would mature and responsible thinkers like you who are well suited to lead countries do, before August 22nd, and why?

= TG

Madmud Almondjeans* rantings about the importance of August 22nd must bring up the question of a pre-emtive strike.

A precision strike upon Iranian nuclear sites any time before August 22nd must be under review by Israel and the West.

The logic seems sound enough. The only question is whether Iran is provoking and expecting a strike, and I doubt that they are.

Would a pre-emptive strike from the West stop Iran from becoming the head of the whole Middle East and Muslim world in general by throwing their plan off course?

Curious question in a way. It could mean that the Persians would be the leaders and controllers of hundreds of millions of Muslims.

There are many Arab nations and leaders who do not want this to happen, not to mention the democratic free world. = TG

Fri Aug 11, 04:31:19 PM UTC

In case any one reading SDA doubts the anti-Israel bias in the news, read about the Associated Press Television News service:

"What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf. This has a tremendous effect on the whole feel of the building as these two teams feed pictures and people back and forth and sit in adjacent work areas. The slant of the stories required by the Gulf States has a definite effect on which footage is used and discarded. This affects both the Gulf newsroom and the main global newsroom."

Only news footage edited to suit Gulf states biases is available for the rest of the world.
via LGF

Oh, oh.
Where is President Harper going?
Why, he is going to overfly Hans Island. Of course, the Prez has permission from Hans Graham, the great Dane from the Hans-On Party.

Nunavut is above the Arctic Circle, no?

Martin Frobisher, Henry Hudson, etc., will be part of the welcoming party when the Prez comes-a-calling.

Hail To The Chief. ...-

TG- right now - STOP - with the ad hominem sneers. They are out of order in a discussion. Grow up; Stop them; Stick to the issues and debate them in a mature fashion.

Now - with regard to a precision strike on Iran - why should we attack Iran? I don't understand why you are assuming that this is a decision that has already been made. By whom? And on what grounds?

What is your point about Reagan? I'm unclear why you have inserted it here and would appreciate some analysis.

your two points seem 'off the wall'. Please clarify why you've made them.

Some people were looking for photos of Coderre and Duceppe etc. This links to a 26 minute video of the march. Don't have to dissect right now so go at it.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5355799187804516283&q=montreal&hl=en

"video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5355799187804516283&q=montreal&hl=en"

Video of march in Montreal, 26 minutes, don't have the time right now to look for our MP's, if someone else does go at it.

One of the better bloggers in Europe, Paul Belien of Belgium, is being harassed by the police because of an anonymous complaint about racism on his blog. I think this is a big story that needs more attention.

www dot brusselsjournal.com/node/1251

"Reagan gave the go - ahead, but Secretary Winberger stopped it."

Where exactly does the buck stop?

"One of the better bloggers in Europe, Paul Belien of Belgium, is being harassed by the police because of an anonymous complaint about racism on his blog. I think this is a big story that needs more attention."

He wrote a brilliant essay "The Welfare State: The Root of Europe’s Problems" which applies to Canada:

www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1234/print

TG- yes, there have been quite a few commentors on this and other blogs, and in the MSM, referring to Iran's imperial ambitions, and how the Arab world (eg Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt) most certainly don't want this to take place.

But, as to your speculation about a pre-emptive strike - I think it remains your speculation and not fact.

My view is that Iran does want the West involved in a war with it, but at the moment, indirectly. Indirect means use proxies and propaganda. That's the type of war Iran wants at the moment. Not a direct strike against Iran - and the pre-emptive strike is not relevant. A war with Iran lurking in the background to pick up the pieces seems more functional for Iran.

And propaganda, which in the West, is carried out by the left, who transform terrorists such as Hezbollah and Hamas, into victims of Western Aggression! That's quite something. We hear news reporters informing us how Israel is 'firing at civilians'...But, Hezbollah ARE civilians!! They aren't a military; they are terrorists, not a legitimate representation of the military agenda of any nation! And Hezbollah not only are civilians but they deliberately work from civilian residences, apartments, etc - and prevent the real civilians from leaving. The MSM news doesn't tell us these facts. They prefer the fictional tales of 'Israel killing civilians'.
Andn - they ignore that Hezbollah, who are civilians, targets its missiles against and only against - civilians.

The current Israeli-Hezbollah war is initiated and promoted by Iran. Iran is the force behind Hezbollah and Hamas, two terrorist groups. They wanted Israel to attack - so that Iran, by proxy, could weaken Lebanon - and so enable Syria to move back into Lebanon. Syria is a sidekick of Iran.

But, the West and the Arab States shouldn't allow Israel to fight Iran, as it is doing now, by itself! The Arab States in particular should reject Iran's ambitions.

The Arab States have to 'stand up and be counted'. Do they want Iran's imperial agendas?

And the Muslim people all over the world also have to 'stand up and be counted'. Are they willing to be defined, as a people, by the fascists among them? They have to stand up and confront the Islamic fascists and reject them completely as members of their 'people'. They have to excommunicate them; they have to publicly say that they reject them. Do Muslims do this? No- only a few - and the Muslim people then threaten these few with death.

So- the West has to stop its political correctness, and reject Islamic fascism. And call it what it is - Islamic fascism.

Or if you're old enough to have sat through countless episodes of Let's Make A Deal, like I did, your brain is indelibly stamped with the fact that many of the items showcased by Carol Merril were from the Spiegel catalogue, the mailing address of which was Chicago, 60601.

I was going to post this exact suggestion. However the zip code was 60609. </pedant>

Forgot to mention this little dig at Canada on Malkins' website: "Your Cindy Sheehan snort of the day
By Michelle Malkin · August 11, 2006 11:54 AM"

The truth hurts.

Cheri,

In addition to flight 327, Annie Jacobsen revealed that actor James Woods was on the 9/11 "trial run" flight about a month before the real event, that Woods informed the pilot of his concern of a possible hijacking, and that Mohammed Atta was onboard.

I recall hearing something to that effect Matt. I think Americans and Brits may have learned their lesson the hard way and are perhaps more observant. I shudder to think of what it will take to wake sleeping lambs elsewhere.

New info on Drudge; including good to go date was to be August 16. The 'Daily Mail' link reports in part "United Airline tickets dated next Wednesday were found by police at the home of one of the raided addresses."

Wonder if they were one way or return?

ET,

The only relevancy of the Reagan comment is that the failure to "send a message" to Hezbollah post barracks bombing just fueled islamo fascist courage to take on the US. OBL referred to the US as a Paper Tiger specifically about this event.

Weinberger countermanded a direct order from Reagan....

The debate is really about preemptive vs preventative. If there was evidence that Iran had nukes and was about to launch a strike then a pre emptive strike would be called for.....BUT....suspicion that they have something and Aug 22nd might be the day they would do something if they had it and striking based on those assumptions makes it a preventitive strike....ie the apple looks clean but I'll wash it anyway just in case.

If the evidence of ability and intent were in place I would support preemption....preventative...there is no strategy behind it....no support IMHO.

GWB isn't "presidential" but who really was anyways? Bill "The Cuban Dipper" Clinton? We live in an ethereal environment of information where everything down to the dirt on a public figure's shoes are recorded and analyzed for constant public consumption. Also our media has become almost totally tabloid over the last decade where the more superficial, sensational and controversial the "alleged" dirt, the better. Influential public figures on the wrong side of a news agency's private sentiments are not only fair game but are deliberately targeted for tar & feather caricaturizations. In today's world, at the end of the day no hero can be left standing for posterity.

Can we even criticize GWB's current administration without looking what it's been trying to do over the last two years? They've worked constantly to engage EU and Asian nations in taking a more active role in critical world problems...that in itself is one heck of a challenge given the unmotivated leadership that run those countries save Britian, Australia...and now Canada. No matter what the U.S. tries to do to bring together a coalition of nations (discounting the added complication of a terribly corrupt UN administration) it won't be easy and won't make anyone look pretty. It's hard and frustrating...and that's what the MSM loves to show. Going down that path won't gratify anyone with immediate positive results, which is what we've been conditioned to expect. However, would the thwarting of the latest "alleged" terror attacks against American citizens have happened without international co-operation that didn't exist pre-9/11 and was built under GWB's administration?

"Staying the course" as we've heard time and again will lead us to a definable destination...and it has a large upfront cost. If we don't pay that cost, we as a society, nation and world will instead move towards a different destination...one where the costs are deferred for a time but a much larger payment will be demanded. We must overcome MSM tabloid conditioning and look for substance and circumstance before passing judgment on the only real leadership the world has had through these dark days.

I find it surprising that those who have nothing or no one to lose, are so willing to send someone else's sons, daughters, fathers and mothers to die for them. I find the Bush regime and the callous disregard they have for human life appalling. For those of you who want to go to war, put your money where your mouth is and enlist. This war has not made us more secure, Iraq is in civil war, Osma bin Laden (remember him) is still thumbing his nose at us, Iran has a bigger footprint in the middle east, Afganistan (thanks to Iran) is now more dangerous than ever, thanks to the Bush regime, China and Russia (traditional enemies)have joined forces. What stops terroists is not war, but intelligence, police investigations, informants and stopping their money gravy train. That's how all the other terriosts were captured. Oh and by the way, my parents grew up in Europe before the second world war, and they say many of the tactics the Bush regime use are the same as the Nazis used to take over Germany. Talk to older Europeans and you'll see there is a reason that they voted the U.S. as the most dangerous country. History does repeat itself and the U.S. is our new Nazis.
Note: being decisive does not mean your are right, or even smart.

I am unable to post on Powerline... I guess it is a good thing, as that board apparently is a racist board. To characterise all Muslims as racist is an idiotic and racist statement, I would seek powerline to expand on what their intent was if it was not to incite hatred, and racist ignorance towards 1 billion+ human beings on this planet.

I have worked as a peacekeeper along side many Muslims, and faith of Islam. The characterisation, and slandering of these people in this way is wrong.

Islam is a race? Riiiiight.

Mississauga Matt, you have something to add, other then blind ignorance? I am ussing the term racism in it's broad umbrella, and it fits, as most people who associate Islam with terrorism picture muslims in a specific way so as to characterise these peple as a race.

I was dumbing it down for idiots like you I guess.

Kathie Shaidle has the details of the anti-Hizb'Allah rally scheduled for Saturday Aug 12 outside the Israeli consulate in Toronto.

I'm going to be out of town, otherwise I'd be there.

So Jeffy, what you're saying is that you're making up new definitions for words and you demand that the rest of us to follow along.

Riiiiiight.

Oh, by the way, it's "than," not "then." Even an idiot like me knows that (just trying to "add something other than blind ignorance").

Betty, I can assure you, that the insurgents that we are currently hunting and killing in Afghanistan are not good people. Secondly, there is no other way to deal with them in Afghanistan.

The government services in Afghanistan are currently on a rebuilding, and training cycle. They are not being given the chance to step back and do this the way a western force would be able to. The Taliban and a'Q do not want a stabilised and prosperous Afghanistan, because then they lose all power, the end result of which is the loss of recruits and revenue, and hence all the power they so greedily desire.

And for the record Betty. I do wear the uniform, and I will be put in harm's way. The cause is just, and the fight is very necessary.

Matt... You add nothing. People like you, whether you are a bigot or not, enable racism, intolerance, and bigotry. To me, you are the enemy within. One of the root causes for real terrorists to gain power and sway over our youth here in Canada, and else where.

ET,

Your point, and it seems correct, is that Iran wants an indirect wear-down proxy conflict with the West.

My question is why would we go along with that? Once Hezbollah is 80% defanged and re-supply is cut off, we should smack Iran Hard and promptly!

Stephen,

Wineberger did contermand a direct order from then President Reagan and in our military that is a court martial offense.

That inaction provided Hezbollah with the incentive to destroy and injure thousands of
ordinary citizens.

You said ...
** If the evidence of ability and intent were in place I would support preemtion**

Intent is clearly in place. *Madmud* himself declared it*.

Ability? The machinery for nuclear concentration is in place and I understood the targets are no secret.

We have to hit Iran eventually, why not on our timetable? = TG

"Weinberger countermanded a direct order from Reagan...."

Once again, where does the buck stop? If Reagan was so gung ho about his order, he would have fired Cap's ass and gotten it done. To put loyalty ahead of national security is appalling, and Reagan doesn't get the blame he deserves for the whole episode.

betty - Sorry, but I disagree with every one of your points.
We all have a great deal to lose - our freedoms, and I'm unsure what you mean by sending one's fathers and mothers' etc to 'die for them'.

Bush doesn't have a 'callous disregard for human life'. The Islamic fascists have a 'callous disregard for human life'. Doesn't the behaviour of these fascists bother you?

No, Afghanistan is not more dangerous; Bin Laden is probably dead and Al Qaeda is weakened. What's wrong with China and Russia moving out of hating each other and working together? China is also moving more into the global world and working with it rather than against it. If terrorists are firing rockets at you, what do you think should be done? Intelligence?? How does that stop the rockets?
Because your parents compare Bush to the Nazis doesn't make this a factual reality; it's their opinion. Not truth.

jeff - who is defining Muslims as racist? But, I hope you acknowledge reality and acknowledge that their Koran insists that all people must be conquered and made to follow Islam, or be enslaved or killed. And, I hope you acknowledge the preachings in many of the mosques, which are virulently anti-Western and hostile to people of other religions and ethnicities. And the fact that when moderate Muslims openly reject these preachings - they are themselves threatened by fellow Muslims with death and harm. I'm sure you acknowledge that behaviour.

Betty, I have every confidence we can beat the Islamic Fascists just like we did the fascists that dominated your ungrateful European friends (not all Europeans are ungrateful)in the last century. We’re not in it for gratitude because a people self-loathing enough to have allowed Hitler, Mussolini and Franco run their countries are not likely to thank us any more than (some of ) the Lebanese will thank Israel for getting rid of the Hez.

My question for you is, are you so removed from reality that you believe, like the Lamont supporters in their Connecticut Land Rovers, that we are so superior that we just can’t lose? In other words let’s fight with one hand tied behind our back and make this a fight of equals?

Or are you so scared that you’re in denial that there even is a problem; are you aware that Islamic Fascists want to kill us? They’ve been trying to do that for quite awhile – 14 centuries.

The Wall St Journal says today “ Ted Kennedy chimed in that "it is clear that our misguided policies are making America more hated in the world and making the war on terrorism harder to win." Mr. Kennedy somehow overlooked that the foiled plan was nearly identical to the "Bojinka" plot led by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to blow up airliners over the Pacific Ocean in 1995. Did the Clinton Administration's "misguided policies" invite that plot? And if the Iraq war is a diversion and provocation, just what policies would Senators Reid and Kennedy have us "focus" on?”

Yes Betty history does repeat itself – we can agree on that. I would not look to utopion Europeons to lead the fight against fascism; I’ve learned that history lesson.

I find yours and your parents' attitude appalling Betty. Just what part of Europe are you from and how did your parents survive WW II?

Just because you survived is no indication that you were brave or righteous.

Not everyone can enlist Betty. That doesn't mean they can't stand behind those who do.

"Iraq is in civil war."

So, they have issues to work out, at least they are not controlled by Hussein any longer.

"Osma bin Laden (remember him) is still thumbing his nose at us, Iran has a bigger footprint in the middle east, Afganistan (thanks to Iran) is now more dangerous than ever, thanks to the Bush regime, China and Russia (traditional enemies)have joined forces."

This was going on long before 9-11.

"Talk to older Europeans and you'll see there is a reason that they voted the U.S. as the most dangerous country."

They may be a force to be reckoned with but I'll take their idea of freedom before your idea of passivism, any day. I would prefer to keep terrorists on their turf rather than in my neighborhood, blowing up our schools and office buildings.

How has diplomacy and intelligence worked in the middle east so far? What do your parents and "older Europeans" think about Isreal's right to exist and live in peace?

Interesting article at LFG concerning the coverage of the current crisis in the mideast by Associated Press and Associated Press Television News. An historical linear developmental perspective is given as to AP'S bia's toward Israel.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22055_LGF_Exclusive-_How_Much_Does_It_Cost_to_Buy_Global_TV_News&only

LGF Exclusive: How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?

..... A Separate Service for Arab States

However, there is another significant part of their business model that affects the rest of the business. While most of the world takes news pictures with minimal interpretation beyond editing, the Arab Gulf States have asked for and receive a different and far more expensive service. These states pay for a complete news report service including full editing and voice overs from known journalists. The news organizations in the Arab countries don’t do anything (beyond verify that they are appropriate for local tastes) before broadcast.

What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf. This has a tremendous effect on the whole feel of the building as these two teams feed pictures and people back and forth and sit in adjacent work areas. The slant of the stories required by the Gulf States has a definite effect on which footage is used and discarded. This affects both the Gulf newsroom and the main global newsroom.

This full service feed is much more expensive for the customers than the usual service, but it is also much higher margin for APTN. This is partly because there is great commonality in what they can send to most of the Gulf States taking this service: stories are made once and used in a number of countries.

Disproportionately Negative Coverage of Israel

Anything involving Israel is a favorite with Gulf Arab states for showing to their viewers. Could this be the reason why Israel receives such a disproportionate amount of particularly negative coverage especially and increasingly ever since the early 1970’s?
"HonestReporting(http://honestreporting.com/)"is usually unable to decide which is most biased: AP or BBC. As the BBC is often using APTN footage, the difference is minor. A significant twist to what is seen, concerns what is not seen. Footage such as the Palestinian mob joyfully lynching two Israeli reservists in Ramallah in October 2000 is held by APTN’s library: any attempt to license this film for reshow is carefully vetted. Requests for the use of “sensitive clips” are referred directly to the Library director. This is not the case with clips that paint Israel in a bad light. Likewise, the re-showing of Palestinian celebrations on 9/11 is considered “sensitive”.......

Hey, Jeff, as a daily Powerline reader, I invite you to link to the exact racist statements that are on that site. It's a cheap shot to make without a link to the offending quote(s) in their full context.

I do wear the uniform, and I will be put in harm's way.

Do you mind describing your uniform? Just curious.

Dearborn maybe the States Hizbullah stronghold but Windsor is Canada's Hizbullah's cell.
Windsor's proximity to Dearborn and the largest Palestinian populus in Canada with constant reports of MidEast people always trying to smuggle across to Detroit CSIS has it's eyes on Windsor.
Several pro-Hizbullah rallies have been held in Windsor but the media has failed to report said rallies.
The Windsor Star (a true rag and waste of paper & ink)ignores the truth as the political correctness might depecit our MidEast citizens in a bad light.
Oh praise we have a Lebanese mayor whose personal assistant is the Windsor Star's editor's wife.
No conflict here but just protecting wifey's job and slandering any challenger to the mayor's seat.

Good reasoned comments (as usual) ET.

Betty, are you curious what some "naturalized" muslim Americans are doing buying up a thousand untraceable cell phones at Wal Mart stores?

Nobody's going to have to enlist soon to experience the threat of a roadside bomb...it's coming within range of a cell phone tower near you.

It's not simply Bush vs. bin Laden. It's between the West...everyone that lives here and believes in our basic way of life...and murderous islamic facists that either want you to submit to their authority and beliefs or die by their sword. It is war and we didn't start it. Now, our home grown multi-culturally protected terrorists are revving up to bring the war to your doorstep and you still won't support the fight against it? If the burka fits...

Interesting find at the Smoking Gun, h/t Colby Cosh:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0726061canada1.html

Note how the Islamic "hate literature" is admissable, but the white racialist CDs are not. Telling, eh?

The United Nations OIL FOR FOOD SCANDAL is one of the best GLARING EXAMPLES of what is wrong in our world today. Tongsun Park of North Korea was recently convicted of aiding and abetting the butcher, SADAAM HUSSEIN. Their are many Canadian connections to Tongsun Park but our MSM will not report on it. But the blogs sure do, thankfully. The UN is so corrupt it is willing to destroy our way of life. What else can you call "ideas" such as One World Governance and The Earth Charter ??

This was found on Al Jazeera Television.
Not sure how long the link will stay active.
Hint.
Open Windows Media Player.Click file. Click open URL. Copy and paste this link.
I found this well worth the listen. (reading the subtitles actually).

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null

"Talk to older Europeans and you'll see there is a reason that they voted the U.S. as the most dangerous country."

Betty, your parents weren't Nazi sympathizers were they? I mean most older Europeans were liberated by the Americans, then, the Marshall Plan and all of the sustained economic prosperity derived from that. I would think that most older Europeans a)understand the evil of fascism up close and very personally, b)know it when they see it again(and it sure ain't, Bush, babe), and c)are very grateful to the Brits, Canadians and Americans for restoring democracy to the lives of their children.

I talk to older Europeans all of the time in my work, strange, I'm not hearing what you hear from them.

What stops terroists is not war, but intelligence, police investigations, informants and stopping their money gravy train. That's how all the other terriosts were captured

Betty!!! After the investigation is completed, you still need a gun to make the arrest. Right? They aren't all going to be captured by bank tellers using staplers.

AP captures Hezbollah setting up Photo Shoot for Reuters [Staging the Fauxtos]
Yahoo! News Photos/ Reuters: Sharif Karim/Mohamed Azakir / AP

via: free republic

Previous Posts:

Passion Of The Toys: Editor's Reject Pile.

(Original) Passion of the Toys.

[quote]I don't get this. First, CAIR endlessly tells us that Muslims are peaceful and not terrorists. But then, in the next breath, it sticks up for the terrorists and objects to their being called fascists. Second, CAIR seems to object to any pejorative reference to Islamic terrorists. If we can't call them fascists, or militant jihadists, or Islamic radicals, or totalitarians or imperialists, what on earth are we supposed to call them?

Personally, I generally just call them terrorists. They clearly have some qualities in common with the fascists of the 30s and 40s, but, frankly, calling the terrorists "fascists" does a disservice to the fascists. In my opinion, today's Islamic terrorists are worse even than the Communists, who previously held the record. Worse qualitatively, that is; the difference is that the terrorists don't yet wield the kind of power that the Communists once did.[/quote]

"First, CAIR endlessly tells us that Muslims are peaceful and not terrorists." This statement alone is harmless. Taken within the context of the follow-on sentances, it degenerates. It is right and good to call terrorists, terrorists. There is no other name for them, and they come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and religious creeds. The whole article does not bother to differentiate the fact that not all muslims are terrorists, and instead, makes a rather clumsy argument as to what to call a terrorist, while generalising. The article, either by accident or design paints all muslims as terrorists.

Be specific. For instance, Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation. a'Qaeda is a terorist organisation. What is with the fasination with "islamic terrorist"? I do not recall hearing the IRA being called a christian terrorist (tho some protestants would refer to them as Catholic terrorists). Attaching the claimed religion to the terrorists only compounds the fracturing, and confuses the general public. The simple term trerrorist suffices for me to know whom it is I have to kill.

I wear a CADPAT uniform of the CF, and I serve in the infantry. No I will not tell you the unit I serve with, nor do you need to know.

August 5, 2006

Waiting for answers
A judicial inquiry report into Maher Arar's deportation and torture in Syria is expected next month
But it's unlikely to answer one question plaguing Arar: Why didn't his fellow Muslims do more to help?

"...Canadians coast to coast spoke about my case," Arar said one evening last fall in the modest living room of his Ottawa home. "Even high school children sent me emails." But within the Muslim community, "not a single word...."

tinyurl.com/fmtt4

Says: "Muslim gathering places". This is PC for Muslim mosques.

Political correctness is killing people. ...-

40 Mid-Air Terror Plot Suspects Reported Arrested in Italy
Foxnews.com

LONDON — Police arrested 40 people in cities throughout Italy in raids on Muslim gathering places in a security crackdown after Britain thwarted an alleged terror plot, the Interior Ministry said Friday, as Pakistani intelligence agents claimed there was an connection with ties to to the group of suspected terrorists arrested Thursday.

The arrests in Italy were made Rome, Milan, Venice, Florence, Naples and other cities on Thursday and Friday "as part of an extraordinary operation that followed the British anti-terro.
free republic

Report: Explosives were found on Monday’s London-Boston flightposted at 3:16 pm on August 11, 2006 by Allahpundit

Remember this? The flight that ended up returning to Heathrow because someone at Logan Airport recognized that one of the passengers was on the U.S. no-fly list? Yesterday I scoffed at the possibility that it had anything to do with the UK terror plot. I’m still scoffing, but not as loudly. A report at DNA India is claiming that when British marshals searched the plane afterwards, they hit paydirt:

MUMBAI/NEW YORK CITY: An eerie prologue to the events of Thursday played out to anxious authorities on Sunday. Masked explosives capable of destroying an airplane midair were recovered in a tense operation from a family travelling from London to Boston.

A source at Heathrow airport recounted the drama. The five-member family — two adults and three children — boarded American Airlines Flight 109 for Boston. They checked in at the last moment, inviting only a perfunctory check of the children’s hand-baggage....

hotair.com

Jeff, unfortunately when we hear that 25% of British muslims support terror attacks inside their own country it's pretty hard not to grab a broader brush.

The support given to those murderers comes from a "broad strata" within muslim communities. Using islamic terrorist defines that "broad strata" support.

If moderate muslims don't want to be painted as terror supporters, all they need to do is find their voice and speak out against their extremist brethren to separate themselves. There is a such thing as guilt by association.

Do you mind describing your uniform? Just curious.

Classy.

Rosebud: The last word of Citizen Kane means APTN.

Who can decode APTN? (Hate acronyms.) ...-

LGF Exclusive: How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?

An LGF reader who worked for Associated Press TV News sent me the following article explaining how APTN works, and suggesting a reason why their coverage of the Middle East is so overwhelmingly biased against Israel:

How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?

The vast majority of the TV news pictures you see are produced by two TV news companies. Presented here is a case for how a large amount of money has been used to inject a clear bias into the heart of the global TV news gathering system. That this happens is not at question, whether it is by accident or design is harder to tell.

You may not realize it, but if you watch any TV news broadcast on any station anywhere in the world, there is a better than even chance you will view pictures from APTN. BBC, Fox, Sky, CNN and every major broadcaster subscribes to and uses APTN pictures. While the method by which they operate is interesting, it is the extra service this US owned and UK based company offers to Arab states that is really interesting.

About the Associated Press ...-
LGF

The US/France have agreed to a proposal for the cessation of hostilities in Lebanon. UNIFIL troops (up to 15,000)are to supplement 15,000 Lebanese troops in South Lebanon, under Chap. 6, not Chap.7. There is no call for the disarming of H'Bollah. Again, the world is going to leave H'Bollah with 10,000+ missiles intact. Hypocrites from top to bottom. I would have thought that the UK, US were better than that, they are not. I hope that Israel rejects this COWARDS deal and embraces Yoni's advice....""when it is time to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.""

Perhaps I'm being paranoid, a "reasonable" reaction to world-wide Islamofascistic attacks, but I'm seriously wondering whether Calgary's downtown rush hour traffic hasn't been the target of an Islamofascist's rage earlier this week.

Calgary police charged some young male, last name "Omar", with "careless" driving, after this fellow ran onto a crowded sidewalk and put half a dozen people into hospital with non-trivial injuries.

The incident reminds me of the rampage a few months ago of a young male Muslim student at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, in which he mowed down several students on the university's quadrangle with his car. Like the Egyptian air pilot who crashed his plane (years ago) muttering Allah is great, and Seattle's Muslim shooter, however, this news story didn't exactly seize the public's attention, other than as a fleeting aberration.

Any thoughts??

Posted by: maz2

Who can decode APTN? (Hate acronyms.) ...-

LGF Exclusive: How Much Does It Cost to Buy Global TV News?.....

I posted an article about this a while ago but it was caught in the filter because there is nobody around to man the filter censor controls at the moment. So, I'll be sure not to post the URRL this time.

From the LGF article-

A Separate Service for Arab States

However, there is another significant part of their business model that affects the rest of the business. While most of the world takes news pictures with minimal interpretation beyond editing, the Arab Gulf States have asked for and receive a different and far more expensive service. These states pay for a complete news report service including full editing and voice overs from known journalists. The news organizations in the Arab countries don’t do anything (beyond verify that they are appropriate for local tastes) before broadcast.

What this means is that while there are around 50 people producing news pictures for the whole world working in Camden at any time, there are a further 50 Arabic speaking staff producing finished stories exclusively for the Arab states of the gulf. This has a tremendous effect on the whole feel of the building as these two teams feed pictures and people back and forth and sit in adjacent work areas. The slant of the stories required by the Gulf States has a definite effect on which footage is used and discarded. This affects both the Gulf newsroom and the main global newsroom.

This full service feed is much more expensive for the customers than the usual service, but it is also much higher margin for APTN. This is partly because there is great commonality in what they can send to most of the Gulf States taking this service: stories are made once and used in a number of countries.

Disproportionately Negative Coverage of Israel

Anything involving Israel is a favorite with Gulf Arab states for showing to their viewers. Could this be the reason why Israel receives such a disproportionate amount of particularly negative coverage especially and increasingly ever since the early 1970’s? HonestReporting is usually unable to decide which is most biased: AP or BBC. As the BBC is often using APTN footage, the difference is minor. A significant twist to what is seen, concerns what is not seen. Footage such as the Palestinian mob joyfully lynching two Israeli reservists in Ramallah in October 2000 is held by APTN’s library: any attempt to license this film for reshow is carefully vetted. Requests for the use of “sensitive clips” are referred directly to the Library director. This is not the case with clips that paint Israel in a bad light. Likewise, the re-showing of Palestinian celebrations on 9/11 is considered “sensitive”.

Matt... You add nothing. People like you, whether you are a bigot or not, enable racism, intolerance, and bigotry. To me, you are the enemy within. One of the root causes for real terrorists to gain power and sway over our youth here in Canada, and else where.

Jeffy, since the definition of words is wide open to re-interpretation, I’ll take that to mean that you’re saying I’m a devilishly handsome dude (in a “broad umbrella” kind of way).

Thanks for the compliment, soldier.

Jeff, agreed, not all Muslims are terrorists. But 99% of terrorists are Muslim.

The IRA was not a worldwide movement with a list of targets from Bali to London to New York, all in the name of Christianity. It was a political problem in the UK. That’s why we didn’t bother referring to them as being a significant part of the world’s 2 billion Christians.

Just in case others wonder what the heck "CADPAT" means (Jeff's uniform, above), here's what Wikipedia says:

"CADPAT, or CAnadian Disruptive PATtern, is the digital camouflage pattern currently used by the Canadian Forces.

"In development for the better part of a decade, the pattern comes in three varieties: temperate woodland (TW), arid region (AR), and Winter/Arctic. The temperate woodland pattern became the standard issue combat clothing for the Canadian army in 2002, with the air force following suit in 2004.

"Uniforms in CADPAT material replaced the olive green combat dress uniforms in use since the early 1960s. The CADPAT format is sometimes referred to as 'relish' camouflage."

Which is yours Jeff: TW, AR, or WA?

Hezbollah's UN Human Wrongs commish condemns Israel.

So, what's new?

This: At last, Stephen Harper's Conservative government gets it right. Go, Peter MacKay. ...-

while Canada said Hizbollah -- which it labelled a "terrorist group" -- should have been condemned for its violations of the rights of Israelis and Lebanese.
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Matt, as Red Green once said, "If the women can't find you handsome at least they can find you handy."

Jeff, you, sir are clearly wrong in your re-definition of words. This is common amongst the left who see anyone who disagrees with them as racist, bigotted, homophobe, facist, etc... you get the idea. This moves the discussion away from the topic and makes it a personal attack.

Oh yeah, how long have you worn that uniform (of unknown description)?

Remember, All Muslims are not terrorists but all the terrorists (9/11, London, Madrid) have been Muslims.

Olmert accepting US/France peace deal

I hope the Israeli people reject Olmert unequivocally. This guy has got to go.

I did a Google search on "Reutergate" and guess who has the first of 134,000 articles.....

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Reutergate&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Who gives a flying fornication whether or not it is " islamic fascism or inslamofascic fascism or whatever".

These dudes want to kill or convert us all.

Why are you all spending so much time and angst over the interpretation of a phrase?

They are the enemy and wish to do us harm.

Who really cares what we call them?

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Just listening to Condoleeza Rice speaking live on CNN. According to her, UNIFIL's mandate is to protect itself only, and not to engage H'llah otherwise. She says it is the responsibility of Lebanese forces to engage H'llah. Considering that the Lebanese government considers H'llah as the hero of the Lebanese people, I'm wondering why the USA would have the nerve to strong arm that idiot Olmert and then expect the Israeli people to swallow this pill for inevitable future warfare.

Mark M

That's why I've been asking over and over again what the Western leaders have actually done for Israel, other than offer lip service and look good in yarmulkes at their constituents' synagogues.

Any thoughts??

I'm thinking. The dots will never be connected by the MSM. Michelle Malkin, bless her heart, is the only journalist keeping score on this stuff. Remember, a lifetime ago, the Egyptian at LAX that shot dead folks at the EL AL counter but wasn't motivated by jihad, terrorism or Mohammed? What a crock. The bottomline is that these slobs live among us and are taking advantage of the soft underbelly of open democracies.

We now have multiple incidents of young Muslims buying irrational numbers of cell phones, scary, because they are untraceable and can be used as detonators.

Sadly, it's going to take the next big crime against humanity on NA soil before the left rolls over as the spineless narcissists that they are and all out serious action against this fascism is taken.

Thanks for the compliment, soldier.

Matt, don't jump ahead. We aren't there yet. I asked for a description of his uniform. He hasn't foiled my diabolical agenda just yet.

the problem with islamism is even if you convert, youre still gonna die as a martyr dragging in the late comers.

classic lose-lose situation; the remedy is to wipe THEM off the globe FIRST.

and condition red it is. solution? dont let ANY ME types on the * planes !!

let them build and fly their *own* airliners and bomb THEM out of the sky if they want.

not PC you say? well its condition red now sirrah !!! we are at WAR with the islamists sirrah. its a new world war, its world war 3, its global and its war. so TOO BAD if some liberal feathers get ruffled.

I hereby renounce my support of GWB. This guy is dishonest. He has betrayed Israeli on this day.

I can just picture him talking on the phone to C. Rice.

"Condi, the world hates Israel because.. um.. they're protecting theirselves from terrorist attacks. Therefore, we must call a ceasefire so that H'llah can continue to keep 10,000+ missiles. And because we have not made provisions for the disarmament of H'llah, they can add to this, but what is this to you and I Condi when the world will say how PEACELOVING we are."

"BTW Condi, isn't that Olmert a silly cracker?"

Windsor may be the Canada's stronghold,but for sheer numbers Mississauga has to be #1. I was in Windsor last month and could not believe how many Arabic signs were up in the old neighbourhood. One store even advertised Iraqi food prominently.Amazing that thier windows survived the hordes of young drunks from Detroit. At least a dozen blocks of Wyandotte street,one of the main streets in downtown Windsor,is almost completely Arabic. It also has the feel of a third world country.

OT:

flipped thru a recent edition of 'canadian business'

"top 50 CEOs"

all men.

every last one of them and predominently middle aged wasps, but nevertheless, all MEN.

why is that? how far down the list is the first woman CEO? are women stoopid or sumptin? I dont find that. I think lots of men 'in charge' are REAL stoopid and hopelessly short sighted.

so why not so much as a single female entrant in the top 50?

check out the oil portaits at your local big employer or hospital or such. MEN and more MEN.

are we being duped or something?

condi rice paints herself as an estute smart and wily administrator able to overcome any disadvantages of race or gender 'we shall overcooooome, we shall overcooooome some daaaaaaay' bla bla bla.

so she hitches onto the class clown who also happens to be school president.

Colin on the other hand knew the rule about getting out when youre on top, that way the legacy is untainted.

tsk tsk tsk. sometimes ya cant win.....

penny, when you say "Sadly, it's going to take the next big crime against humanity on NA soil before the left rolls over as the spineless narcissists that they are and all out serious action against this fascism is taken," I wish I could be as optimistic.

How many more crimes against humanity do we need on the part of these Islamifascists to convince the left, for them "to roll over": all the attacks on the U.S., not on their soil, before 9/11; 9/11; Madrid, London, now all these arrests? If these haven't convinced the "can't we all get along?" crowd, I'm not clear that even another attack on NA soil is going to do it.

For the love of Mike, many lefties think that these murderous incidents have been orchestrated by President Bush, not Muslim fundamentalists bent on the West's destruction. And given that the lefties, themselves, seem hell bent on the destruction of the West, FROM WITHIN (the MSM, our secular humanist public ed. [sic] system, our universities, ad nauseum) it's hard to imagine them coming to their senses even if another atrocity, killing many, happens.

Kyrie Eleison. What else is there to say?

Remember Lepanto said:

Any thoughts??

That was my first thought too when I read about the story in the Sun. We'll probably never know for sure because its not politically correct to ask the question...

From Yoni's Blog -

Yes, No, Yes, No, - Maybe

In the 2 1/2 hours since I posted the news story which confirmed what I posted earlier on Olmert giving the IDF the go ahead , now this that Olmert is going to accept the cease fire.

Olmert is INSANE

Yeah, he has got to go!

There's a Peace Rally and March in Calgary, Sat. Aug. 12th. 2:00PM. @ Central Memorial Park. (12ave.& 4st. SW.) The poster says "Mr. Harper, killing innocent civilians, children and UN Peacekeepers, is not a 'Measured Response!'"
So you know going in they've taken a side. Wonder how many Hezballa flags will appear. I hope someone videos all the action. Could make for some interesting viewing.

Olmert is INSANE

The fact that he waged this war, and then decided to accept this type of ceasefire, I think he probably is a bit nuts.

Yeah, he has got to go!

But if you stand for democracy, you have no business dictating to the Israeli people about who their leader should be.

If you're confused by Olmert's actions - you're the type that walks the last 10 yds to the finish line in a 100 yd dash. I'll bet you they're still preparing to expand the war as we speak and will continue to do so until Hezbollah also fully accepts the deal. To do else wise would be insane.

Clarification: I don't think he's nuts for waging the war, but for accepting this half-baked ceasefire after all of the bloodshed.

If you're confused by Olmert's actions - you're the type that walks the last 10 yds to the finish line in a 100 yd dash. I'll bet you they're still preparing to expand the war as we speak and will continue to do so until Hezbollah also fully accepts the deal. To do else wise would be insane.

Deal!?! UNIFIL under Chapter 6! No disarmament of H'llah! What deal that takes anything like Israels concerns is on the cutthroat US deal? Please clarify how Israel's expansion of the war has anything to do with the acceptance of this current cowards formula for future war. It has to do with its rejection.

BTW, I have always been a supporter of the USA war on terrorism. On this day the USA is betraying Israel. I hope the Israeli people have the backbone to reject GWB's lapdog Olmert.

But if you stand for democracy, you have no business dictating to the Israeli people about who their leader should be.

I do have the democratic right to say what I think the Israeli people should do. Do you have a problem with that?

WHAT WOULD THE USA DO?

Say, 10,000 missiles pointed at their country. The possessors interspersed among the civilian population.

WHAT WOULD THE USA DO?

I'll bite. Hunt them down like dogs, I hope.

The current resolution does call for full implemention of the previous UN resolution that requires the demilitariztion of Hisballah.

Tom Penn is right - the current resolution does call for the implementation of previous UN requirements for Hezbollah disarmament. But whether that will be accomplished is another factor.

The key, I think, is the creation of a buffer zone in Lebanon, a 400 sq mile zone between Israel and Lebanon, in Lebanon, where Hezbollah are excluded. This will be enforced by 15,000 UN and 15,000 Lebanese military.

The key is to prevent Iran from having the capacity to attack Israel. The buffer zone ought to accomplish that - but I'm sure Hezbollah will re-arm.

The current resolution does call for full implemention of the previous UN resolution that requires the demilitariztion of Hisballah

No, it doesn't. And UNIFIL will be operating under chapter 6, they can only use force if they are attacked. Now the Lebanese army, who regard H'llah as the defenders of their country certainly will not do it. Do you suppose if the UN asks H'llah to disarm that they will? Do you realize what their mission is?

Finally, about time. Bush uses the term "Islamic fascists".

And the entire Muslim world erupts in rage. Big surprise.

Holy hannah... I'm dumbfounded. I guess this is the extreme right wing.

Isn't there middle of the road somewhere around the net? You know, somewhere where there is intelligent conversation going on, something other then the bigotted drivel I am seeing here.

About the USA arming and training the Lebanese Army so as to be able to disarm H'llah

Hmmm? I wonder how H'llah would react to this. Do you suppose they will get scared and leave Lebanon?

Just a thought.

Posted by: Jeff

Holy hannah... I'm dumbfounded. I guess this is the extreme right wing.

Isn't there middle of the road somewhere around the net? You know, somewhere where there is intelligent conversation going on, something other then the bigotted drivel I am seeing here.

There are infinitesimal middle of the roads around the net where imaginary castles exist in the air and the inhabitants think alike without disagreement.

"My good friends," ...-

Return from Munich 1 October [1938]: Mr. Chamberlain went to a first-floor window and leaned forward happily smiling on the people. "My good friends," he said - it ..
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Expert: Iran Poised To Be 'Mother of All World Threats'
NewsMax ^ | Aug. 11, 2006

Expert: Iran Poised To Be 'Mother of All World Threats'

Dave Eberhart, NewsMax

Friday, Aug. 11, 2006

WASHINGTON -- For anyone who still thinks the Israeli-Lebanon war is just a border scuffle, one Middle East expert shouts a dire warning:

"As soon as a cease fire occurs, the ‘Hezbollah Blitzkrieg' will crumble the ‘Lebanese Republic of Weimar' and install its own ‘Khumeinist Republic' on the Eastern shores of the Mediterranean. The consequences of such a development are far beyond imagination for the region and the world. Hezbollah would have paved the way for Iran to create the mother of all world threats since Hitler."

So cautions Professor Walid Phares, author of "Future Jihad," a visiting fellow with the European Foundation for Democracy in Brussels, and a senior fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington, D.C.
...
Phares emphasizes that the old parameters of a "buffer zone" don't work anymore.

He sees as the key for everyone in the region finding security, stability, freedom and eventually peace -- the stopping of the flow of weapons and support from Iran to Hezbollah.

"Israel can establish all the security-zones," Phares instructs, "the U.S. and the U.N. can issue all the resolutions, and the Lebanese army can be sent to any area -- as long as the Lebanese-Syrian borders are open between the Assad regime and Nasrallah's [Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, the current Secretary General of the Lebanese Islamist party Hezbollah] militia, the war will go on." ...-
free republic

How many times are we going to do the useless buffer zone drill? There is only one zone that is effective, a dead Hezbollah Zone.

Israel can not afford the luxury of loosing a war or face in front of the Arabs. There are no half measures if we are going to win the WOT.

Take your best and most lethal shot, Israel.

Like Kate, I'm on the fly.

The following (quotation marks ONLY at the beginning AND end) is the response I received about the Lawand "report" from the CBC. (The spacing is somewhat spacy, I don't know why.)

"Thank you for your email to CBC regarding a report aired on The National. Jonathan Whitten, executive producer of The National asked me to forward the following to you:

Thank you for your e-mail of August 8th addressed to Vince Carlin, CBC Ombudsman. As you know, Mr. Carlin asked me to reply.

You wrote to draw our attention to a report on the August 4 editions of THE NATIONAL that you feel is inaccurate and misleading. Specifically,
you wrote that by juxtaposing a comment by a protestor with what you feel is an unrelated statement made by Prime Minister Stephen Harper in
a news conference, the report misrepresented the Prime Minister's views, and made him appear insensitive.

The report on THE NATIONAL Friday night concerned the Prime Minister's reaction to questions he was facing about the Middle East. The report
began with protestors outside the Conservative caucus meeting in Cornwall, one of whom was seen saying that both sides killing innocent children is wrong and has to stop.

The Prime Minister, meeting behind closed doors, did not hear her message (although, as we reported, she was invited to meet with the
Minister of Foreign Affairs), but reporters did ask him about civilian deaths in a news conference held after the caucus meeting. He did not
reply to the question directly, but he told reporters - including the CBC's Christina Lawand - that his policy on the Middle East remained the
same and would not change because of public opinion surveys or protests. He said that Canadians are not neutral on terrorism and that he would not call for a cease-fire until the right conditions were in place. And, he said, when properly understood, his views represent the views of most Canadians. Ms. Lawand clearly stated those views in her report.

She also included a statement from the news conference - the one to which you referred - where the Prime Minister said he is "not preoccupied in any way with reaction within individual communities."

This statement was in response to a reporter who asked specifically how he felt about what seemed to be growing support in the Jewish community
for his government and ended his question by asking whether he was concerned about the negative response among some in the Arab community. Mr. Harper replied that he agreed the Middle East conflict had a pretty strong resonance in some cultural communities, but that the government "can't take positions based on polls, we can't take decisions based on reactions within certain domestic communities."

In the bulk of his answer, however, he explained that the issues were far larger than the concerns of some communities. These are "serious
international issues, he said, "there are not only many lives at stake, there are a lot of long term strategic interests of this country and of
the world.." He talked about two major elements of the Canadian policy, about terrorist groups, both in Canada and abroad. He talked about
humanitarian concerns, including evacuation and re-construction as being among the "focuses of our activity."

Then he returned to where he had started his answer and repeated: "I'm not concerned or preoccupied in any way with reaction within individual communities. I think that reaction is very predictable." That was the clip included in the report following the protestor. It is logical to conclude here that the reaction he is "not concerned" with, is the kind of reaction personified by the protestor seen at the beginning of the report. Mr. Harper was talking about predictable reactions in general of which the protestor was a specific example. Some have argued that he was talking about polling within the Arab and Jewish communities, and while that's possible, he was also discussing, in addition to polling, "reactions within certain domestic communities." Far from being unrelated, as you suggest, the two are directly related.

Later in the news conference, the Prime Minister was specifically asked about the protestors outside the meeting. While he did say that it is
important to listen to members of the various communities (as we reported, his Ministers met with two of the protestors) he also said
"they can't guide all of our decisions at the same time." Far from being contradictory to his response to the earlier question, this was
restating the government position that we faithfully reported throughout the piece.

I do, however, agree with your concern about the structure of the report. The construction of the piece did make it appear the Prime Minister was responding directly to the woman protester, and that was not the case. We should have taken the time to make it clear that the Prime Minister was responding to a general question, and not a specific question about the woman's concerns, and I regret that. While this does not constitute a misrepresentation of Mr. Harper's position, or the
position of his Government, the program could have, and should have, taken the time to be clear about what prompted the response.

It is also my responsibility to inform you that if you are not satisfied with this response, you may wish to submit the matter for review by the
CBC Ombudsman, Mr. Vince Carlin. The Office of the Ombudsman, an independent and impartial body reporting directly to the President, is
responsible for evaluating program compliance with the CBC's journalistic policies. Mr. Carlin may be reached by mail at the address
shown below, or by fax at (416) 205-2825, or by e-mail at ombudsman@cbc.ca

Yours sincerely,

Jonathan Whitten
Executive Producer
THE NATIONAL

Box 500, Station "A",
Toronto, Ontario
M5W 1E6

I hope this information is helpful to you, and thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,

Jamie Richards
Communications Officer
CBC Audience Relations"

Jeffy, if you're not happy here, there's a simple solution. And if you're going to stay, spare us the hissy fits.

ET, I agree the buffer zone is critical. Clearly, Iran can never be permitted to go nuclear. I hope the caliphate conspirators (and the rest of the world) got the message: states will be held accountable for the actions of terrorist proxy armies.

Mark M, http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060812/D8JEHRAO0.html. "The political solution would include implementation of previous Security Council resolutions calling for Hezbollah's disarmament."

Jeff, you've played so many roles today you should get an Academy Award - from carping lefty idiot to patriot soldier. I'm calling your bluff, buddy. You've been outed.

That uniform I asked you to describe earlier, my guess, is white and orange and yellow. You wear a headphone and try to give exact change when you're on duty. Off duty, you troll.

Trolling is really a low life amusement. Get a life.

Jeff, I agree it's getting awfully hot in here today. Some shocking points of view I've never heard expressed before.

I've come to the conclusion that even westerners really don't respond very well to sustained terrorist threats to their way of life. Imagine that! Some have even been driven to the point of using extremely violent WORDS.

As a moderate, myself, I sure hope the "powers that be" within Islam are taking note as well.

Well, penny, you would be wrong... penny for your thoughts, and one would get change back.

I have no problem going to Afghanistan to kill terrorists, but the flavour of this board from the posters, I get the impression that you all beleive that all Muslims are terrorists.

This is not the case. Having served in Bosnia, in the Muslim enclave of Bihac, and surrounding areas for a culmalitive year, I have come to know several Muslims very well. Describing it as a religion of peace is apt. Describing it as a religion of terror is gross ignorance and bigotry. Are you a bigot penny? Do you feel then need to defend bigots?

Make note, the job of the CF is to defend out country from threats without and within. Bigots are a threat from with in.

I have a serious issue with racists and bigots. There is no place in Canada for any of those types of "people" in this country. In the past, I have taken great pleasure in confronting bigots face to face. Interesting that they are all cowards.

Tom, I can assure you, they do. I work with Afghans currently on a project to train Afghan Canadians who return to Afghanistan with the CF, CIDA, and Foreign Affairs to act as trusted language and cultural assistants (LCA's). Funny, that people so new to Canada, sometimes appear to be so much more loyal to our ideas... So much so that they risk their lives. Oh ya, to a man, these folks are practicing Muslims.

Wonderful people. I have been introduced to the local Imam, again, a wonderful, and generous human being.

The bile I am seeing here alarms me, as I went full tilt defending in another thread on this board concerning Caledonia. I guess I should have dug a little deeper before doing so here.

Jeff, I've known many wonderful Muslims myself, and some of the comments on here today curled my toes too. But, this is nothing like the stuff you see on the jihadi blogs. No glorifying of throat-slitters going on. No faux bomb-wrapped baby pictures. Canada won't be naming streets after suicide "martyrs" any time soon.

Make no mistake people are getting fed up to hell with genocidal terrorists. However, take note that there has never been a popular "backlash" against Muslims in any western country that I am aware of. I do not seriously believe anyone in here today is going to go "western jihadi" on the streets of Canada tomorrow.

Be alarmed. Fine. These are alarming times we live in. But, also get a little perspective.

Jeff says, "I have a serious issue with racists and bigots." Well, so do I.

Having these qualms, then, I guess you have "a serious issue" with the Muslims who are wreaking havoc, mayhem, death, and destruction around the globe because they are bigoted and racist towards not only Christians and Jews but towards anyone who does not believe what their religion believes? In their eyes, anyone who is not a Muslim is an "infidel" and deserves to die. Is that not bigoted and racist? If a Christian or a Jew were to tell you that if you refused to believe what they believe, they would attack you and kill you, I'll bet you'd be one of the first to condemn such threats as bigoted and racist--and rightly so.

Racism and bigotry are, sadly, a two-way street, and I hope that you acknowledge this. Muslims are just as capable of exhibiting these traits as non-Muslims--and, lately, I'd say those of us who are not Muslim are on the receiving end of a great deal of bigotry and racism on their part. I don't see anywhere on this thread where people are bigoted or racist. I see many individuals who realize what is happening in this conflict--and that is, if the Islamofascists win this WOT, we in the West will live in Dhimmitude unless we agree to all the tenets of Islam.

Our way of life and our freedoms are at stake, which might explain why feelings are running a tad high. Being Canadian, of course, probably means that you're not comfortable with feelings of anger, tsk, tsk. Well, Jeff, anger's a pretty natural and, I'd say, healthy response to a situation where one's life, and the lives of our children, are being threatened daily, especially when the powerful MSM slants most of the stories in favour of the other side of the conflict--and doctors photos to deliberately skew factual events.

In fact, to not feel a little...well...passionate about what's in store for us if Muslim extremists have their way leads me to wonder if either you're a pacifist, which can't be the case as you've apparently served in Canada's armed forces, or if you're willfully ignoring a very real threat to the safety and security of Canadians and of all of us who live in the West.

No one has said that there aren't Muslims who are "wonderful" and "generous" human beings. Come on. Be honest. But the fact remains, Jeff, that 99% of terrorists who have wreaked havoc and destruction on the West in the past six years have been, are, Muslims. If that's a racist remark, then our freedom of speech is in much more danger than I thought, not to mention the faculties of thinking and reasoning.

One mantra of the willfully ignorant seems to be "Don't confuse me with the facts." Give your head a shake, Jeff, get your facts straight, and stop being confused.

I can assure all. I am very comfortable with feelings of anger. It is programmed in me, along with "...to close with and destroy the enemy."

I know who the enemy is. Many here apparently do not.

I have my facts as straight as a soldier can. I study, and I am aware. Muddling bigotry, as some are doing here is the grossest garbage any "self-aware" human being could do.

The threat is ignornace. It is how the terrorists recruit. When they recruit, they hold up blogs like this and say, "See, see how they hate you young Muslim?". They don;t hold up vanguardnews, or aryan nations stuff, as that is too easy to dissmiss as a bunch of inbred ignorant asses. Stuff like this from "common Canadians" is the stuff wet dreams for terrorist recruiters is made of.

People like you will keep me in work forever, right along with the blind ignorance of the left.

Jeff, what specifically was said in here that you consider jihadi recruiting fodder? I absolutely do not understand your "it's our fault" perspective. Please explain.

Jeff I find it difficult to criticize you, but I think you are being grossly unfair and intollerant as well. I appreciate what you do and don't want to see it stand for nothing.

I think what you see, when you say the "flavour of this board", is frustration that a good deal of terrorists are muslim (as nomdenet reminds us). Most of us realize that there are a good deal of muslims who are good, want better, are appreciative, and raise their kids that way. Right? The kids you say, who are susceptible to terrorists, are susceptible to evil of all sorts. A good many teens (and adults) through the decades have been susceptible to cults/fads etc.

To blame it on racism is only part of it. There are many teens who have been discriminated against, raised to hate and manage to either rise above it, or go on to reciprocate it, or teach it to their kids.

It is up to the community to set a good example, provide help and guidance. There may be extreme views, they are everywhere, many are slowly coming to find out what is tolerated, what is not. Some are good pretenders until their ugly side comes out at the worst of times, or when drunk, as Mel Gibson found out. Or how about David Ahenakew? Will those who discriminate against jews ever "get it"? The point I'm making is; you are right for the most part, but be fair in casting judgement. Are you equally as harsh with fellow soldiers if you hear racist or sexist comments?

Your message would be more effective with comments like you made to Betty, then with the club you used on the rest of us.

Now I see your guilt trip regarding terrorists using examples like this page to make their point; hog wash. They are racist, sexist extremists and are of the view that their Allah, their way is the only way. Give me a break. What we say or don't say here isn't going to stop or slow their intentions. Bin Ladden is probably using feminist groups to illustrate the evils of western ways. Hell, maybe he's using army blogs to illustrate his point.

It's up to good muslims to speak up. As it's up to good Christians to speak up, which we do.

We have no way of proving that you belong to the CF, Jeff.

But, I had family who did, and have lived in a military town for decades.

I have never met one man in the military who would be so obnoxious, with the people he was sworn to protect, as you have been here.

Persuasion, not confrontation, was their first, and second, and sometimes, third tool...and it always took the chill out of the air.

People in this country are slowly waking up to a whole new feel to their place in the world...no longer safe to venture into many other countries.

And worse, it is found to be seeping into the wedges created here.

If some use some colorful, pointed language, too darned bad. I bet you have heard worse.

Excuse us if we take our own view, and excuse us for coming to it at a speed we never thought we would have to.

It seems your named skills as a coordinator of good will has been lost on many of us.

Good luck over there though. May you never have to use your skills in seeking loyal translators in *this* country, for the same reasons Afghanistan needs them.

Loyalty is a hard thing to earn back...so is respect.

Mark, you said...

**The US/France have agreed to a proposal for the cessation of hostilities in Lebanon. UNIFIL troops (up to 15,000)are to supplement 15,000 Lebanese troops in South Lebanon, under Chap. 6, not Chap.7. There is no call for the disarming of H'Bollah.

Again, the world is going to leave H'Bollah with 10,000+ missiles intact. Hypocrites from top to bottom. I would have thought that the UK, US were better than that, they are not.

I hope that Israel rejects this COWARDS deal and embraces Yoni's advice....""when it is time to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.""
Posted by: Mark M at August 11, 2006 04:26 PM

Clear thinking Mark. Your frustration is apparant and justified.

Both the UN and UNIFIL are useless. This calls for a Nato command force, not toothless UNIFIL babysitters.

**When its time to shoot, then shoot, don*t talk.**

Why is it that no one can see this is the time to shoot? The time is here to precision bomb Iranian Nuclear infrastructure.

What more provocation and abuse do we need to convince us to slap down our mad attacker?

Why do we put up with * Madmud* fighting a proxy war on Lebanon*s bloodied carpet, killing Lebonese bystanders?

WE put off a slap down in 1983 when the Hez killed 241 Marines. There has been a 26 year string of bombings as reward for that.

Where is our timetable? This procrastination for Iran*s program is bullshit.

What the hell do we not understand about an act of war aggression?

IT*s time to shoot, not the time to fart around with UN nincompoops.

Hez re-supply is damaged, but it will be repaired. The time is now or else. = TG

Big tough-typing Jeff says..."The threat is ignorance. It is how the terrorists recruit."

Ah, so you're proposing the "tippy-toe" strategy.

I think we both know dedicated recruiters will twist anything to their advantage.

The "tippy-toe" strategy is used too often in Canada and it's why we have such a large fifth-column movement in Canada. (or is that too inflamatory for you?)

I just hope Jeff understands that it was REAL racist and bigotted Muslim terrorists who killed civilians in Casablanca, Madrid, London, Kuta, Karachi, New York, Nairobi, Dar es Saalam, Riyadh, Taba, Luxor, Bombay, Moscow, Beslan, Amman, Istanbul, etc, and not Canadian blog commentors. Does Jeff even recognize the REAL problem?

The fact is, if Islam does not reform this will get extremely violent, possibly WWII-like bloody. Imagine the response if the recent terrorist attempt had actually been successful. If the US suffers another attack on the scale of 9/11, do not be surprised to find former "liberals" calling to cluster-bomb Mecca. Islam needs to get it's house in order NOW. That is not a racist comment, it's just a cold hard fact. Maybe if the jihadi's put that in their recruiting portfolio, it won't have to happen.

In the FYI, FWIW department, friend Angry continues to be plagued by Attention Whore & Internet Pestilence D-Cubed ( Demented Docktor Deb, AKA D3 ):

http://www.stevejanke.com/archives/190377.php
Do I ban Deb Frisch? I have never banned anyone from Angry in the Great White North...But until this comment by Deb Frisch, I have never had one that was calculatingly deceptive and designed to cause hurt to someone else...So do I ban her IP address? I'm not sure.

Prelude to War -John Batchelor

"What is the explanation for America's willful fiction that the United Nations Security Council can engineer an accommodation in Lebanon, when it is vivid to every member state that this is a replay of September 1938, when Europe fed Hitler the Sudetenland as the U.N. now wants to feed the jihadists the sovereignty of Israel?"
newsbeat1.com

Buffalo, make no mistake, I do not want the loyalty of this disloyal lot. The excuses for bigotry I am seeing time and again spit on the values this country was built on.

I wear the Queen's uniform, and I swore my Oath under God to protect those values. I hold a CD, and a CPSM, and I wear the Queen's crown as a symbol of my rank.

When we see the enemy, we do not tip toe. We attack. In this board, there is a lot of the enemy. You mention the fifth column. You are a part of the fifth column. An enemy of the state. I do not want the respect or loyalty of people who would tear this country apart from the inside. People who would excuse and tolerate bigotry on such a scale. I can assure you, I am not loyal to you.

I am not a coordinator, I am an infanteer. I train to kill people. My skill sets in training LCA's revolve around survival and navigation, as well as how to talk to soldiers.

Tom, I understand full well what a terrorist is. I do not need some simpering arm chair general to describe one to me. The demands made by some on this board that the Muslim community stand up and say something are the very height of ignorance, as they have, time and again. Every time they do, it is ignored, as it does not fit with your picture.

Others misquote the Koran to their own peril, in saying "this is all mandated by their Koran", have you read the Bible lately? Just as violent. Yes, some jihadists do purposely misquote the Koran, just as some televangelists misquote the Bible, to comment on one, without the commenting on the other is the hieght of hypocrisy.

Make no mistake, my loyaty lies with this country, and all her peoples, FN, caucasion, black, asian, middle-eastern, catholic, jew, muslim, animist and athiest alike. My loyaty does not go to bigots, nor those that excuse bigotry. As far as I am concerned those types of people should be put on a boat, and sent away from this country.

Jeff,

don't let the bastards grind you down. Your conclusions are largely correct and entirely unwelcome to some small dead animals. Many are happy with propaganda replacing fact, and ideology liberating from the requirement for thought.

I begged off this thread early yesterday when it became too heated for my taste. I owe ET and nomdenet replies, but since we were dealing with recurring issues, there will be other opportunities for discussion.

Hope you enjoy being an infanteer as much as I did. It definitely is a career with a purpose. Pro Patria.

Agifact, I find it strange that two infanteers in the lot can pick out that, which should be so plainly obvious, before others who would purport to protect our values on the home front.

Yours is a good and strong Regiment, and I have served along side them many times. I have a huge soft spot for the third, and especially N Coy, the best damned soldiers on the planet.

Pro Patria - Ich Dien

"Many are happy with propaganda replacing fact, and ideology liberating from the requirement for thought."

You seem to be confusing pc with liberals there.

multirec, Agifact described this board to a tee with that line.

"multirec, Agifact described this board to a tee with that line."
Your opinion Jeff, not mine.

It would be the correct opinion as far as I can see.

Well Jeff, you know what they say about opinions....

You are right. This place is filled with assholes.

At least these assholes aren't targetting dhimmis in wars of expansion from Africa to Asia to Europe, and they aren't plotting to blow up civilian women and children from Bombay to New York and across the globe. They aren't even providing popular support, funding, or ideological cover for the Islamic fascists who are, unlike you guys and a disturbingly large population in the Muslim street.

See above dim wit. As a member of the CF, your idiotic commentary directed at me hits a new low.

As for the rest, when I look at it from the other side of the coin, you are dead wrong. There are feelings on the part of some in the middle-east, that the west is conducting an imperialist war against Islam. Bombing women and children not in NY, Toronto, or other places, but in Bahgdad, Khandahar, and Beruit. Commentary like yours only reinforces those beleifs, and creates more recruits that I have to deal with on the other end.

I suppose I should thank you for the job security I now have. Unfortunatly, that also means more time away from my family, and for that I resent people like you, almost as much as I loathe a'Q, and the Taliban.

"There are feelings on the part of some in the middle-east, that the west is conducting an imperialist war against Islam. Bombing women and children not in NY, Toronto, or other places, but in Bahgdad, Khandahar, and Beruit"

Of course they do. Islam is always the victim. As to bombing civilians, c'mon. The Americans/British/israelis don't intentionally bomb civilians,mulims on the other hand are very good at it.

Jeff, go spend some time on Muslim websites combatting their racism and convincing them they need to be more moderate and tolerant. Convince them that double-talking platitudes about "Islam means peace" while supporting jihadi's and crying about fears of a mythical "backlash" is not enough. Convince them that empty words will not be enough and that they must DO something to expel the cancer within. Go preach greater tolerance and understanding on the streets of Syria, Iran, or even Saudi, instead of trying to tell westerns not to look facts in the face. With all the Islamic hate being spewed (and acted on), I can't believe you're wasting your valuable time here trying to argue westerners out of being fed up with terrorist dickheads.

In all the time I spent in the military someone like this jeff asshole would be strung up long ago. He is so full of shit I can smell it from here.

Really free. In all my time in the military, I have driven out bigots from the CF, the count is sitting at 4...

Do you have a problem with me calling people to task for bigotry? Take note, that not a single argument against what I have been saying here, however lots of excuses for the persistant bigotry present. Free, not only would I drive bigots out of the military, but I enjoy it when they try to challenge me physically.

So, let me guess free. You were in the military, what? 20 years ago? I understand that there was a lot of good partying to be had then. Not much else do do...

"but I enjoy it when they try to challenge me physically"

Nobody cares how tough you perceive yourself to be on the internet jeff, actually, it's kind of sad.

In this day and age of guided munitions, and SF ops. There is little need for the kind of collateral damage that the Israelis are inflicting. So ya, I am saying that the IDF and the US have directly targetted civilians, and used the shield of collateral damage in doing so. Further, both are in DIRECT violation of the Geneva Conventions of Armed Conflict on many levels. The best thing the US can do with Afghanistan is leave. Leave the mission to us, the ones who can actually do the job.

The IDF has proved they have this hardware when they killed Maj Hess-Von Krudeneur using a laser guided bomb. That was no accident, as to target those things, someone somewhere has eyes on the objective, and they are steering the bomb physically in place.

I have no time for IDF apologists. The IDF HAVE directly targetted a member of the CF, one of the people who has trained me, and killed him. The IDF HAVE in the past directly targetted other UN peacekeepers, and killed them. They are as bad as the terrorists they claim the moral high ground over.

Not nearly as sad as one who can not identify bigotry.

"So ya, I am saying that the IDF and the US have directly targetted civilians, and used the shield of collateral damage in doing so"

Before this statement, I had time for you. Now it's obvious that you actually ARE an idiot. Switch this statement to "hezbullah and iraqi terrorists have directly targetted civilians, then you've got something.
You've got no time for alot of people here (I'm sure the feeling is mutual), so one begs the question...what the hell are you still doing here?

I never said that Hezbollah et al do not target civilians. They do. I am saying that the IDF and the US do as well, they just hide it behind fancy words, and then beg off of the ICC. You know what, we are supposed to have higher standards of conduct.

I am still here, because apologists for bigots are here. They are the enemy in the midst, and if I can not have the opportunity to throw them on a boat myself, then I will stick around here and point a little something called the truth in your smug faces.

"Not nearly as sad as one who can not identify bigotry."

I can identify it because I'm talking to it.
Tell us how tough you are again Jeff...oooohhh!

"I am still here, because apologists for bigots are here. They are the enemy in the midst, and if I can not have the opportunity to throw them on a boat myself, then I will stick around here and point a little something called the truth in your smug faces."

Mmmmkay, Jeff the superhero of all good and noble, protecting victims of bigotry on the internet.
Get real.

Right, Jeff, Islam is pure and free of racist bigots who kill people and those who support the killers. The REAL problem is that a few blog commenters in Canada are percieved by you to be racist bigots because their eyes are open to that glaring fact. Talk percieved bigotted Canadians to death and Islamofascist terrorism will disappear. Brilliant strategy! I'll just hop on a rug five times a day and the racist Islamists will let me LIVE! Didn't realize that I am the problem. Thanks! No more terror, folks! Praise Allah!

At what point did I say that bigots do not exsist in Islam? Can any of you simpletons point that out to me?

Naw, did not think so.

While you are all busy washing your white sheets and cone heads, something to think about.

We think of ourselves as the moral high ground. When we dip into the depths of hatred as you all have so readily done so, we can cease claiming the morale high ground. We are no better then they are.

I guys are so ripe in hypocrisy and bigotry.

"I guys are so ripe in hypocrisy and bigotry"
And you...you moron, keep spewing smears of bigotry towards the general poster. Your brainless diatribes on Us/british/israeli killing civilians is boring, can you shreik and louder?
By the way, after reading your rebutal on the IDF, I can only conclude that you're naive ass watches too much cbc, or you are an anti-semite, which is it.
See, anyone can spout slurs.

Jeff, if you feel your duty is dipping "into the depths of hatred", there are deeper pools than SDA. Stop wasting your time frying small fish like us. Go talk the jihadis and their supporters into tolerance.

"there are deeper pools than SDA"
Exactly Tom.

Penny's right
Bullshit.


Please don't hurt us Mr Jeff!

I guess idiocy is a profession around here. Go back and re-read what you morons wrote.

Rich, penny is an imbecile, just as you are.

"I guess idiocy is a profession around here. Go back and re-read what you morons wrote."

Nah, we'll just sit back and watch you make a jackass outta yourself.
So far, so good.

That the best you can do multirec? Well, going back the the tales of the tape, yep.

I come in here, and comment that a post is racist. Rather then argueing that it is not (not a single one of you dim-bulbs bothered with that), I got insulted, and a barrage of excuses.

"But mom!!! He called me a stupid head first...". Bloody hell. You people are dragging the CPC through the mud by attaching your support to the PM. You bloody idiots should not be allowed to vote.

So, Jeff is a peacekeeper?
I find it hard to match my impression of that type of work with what I've seen of him so far. He offers little but self-righteous platitudes and insults, and, of course, the occasional tantrum. Oh, he can stamp his little foot!
Seriously, anybody with conciliation/peacekeeping skills would have created respect for himself and his views, even if he didn't change any minds.
I think our boy Jeffy is a liar.

You're an utter fool Jeff. The only bigotry I see here is you and your anti-semite crap, you're scum.
Please don't attach your name with the cpc and the pm, your type we don't need.
Is jeffweee getting mad? Awww...maybe ya can tell us how big and bad you are again.

"I think our boy Jeffy is a liar"
No kidding Earl, anyone with the views towards the IDF that he has wouldn't be espousing them in the military, I can tell you that.
Go tell your commanding officer how you feel towards the IDF and US, see how far that gets you Jeff.

Are you fucking kidding me. The IDF purposely kills one of us (clearly not one of you) and I am supposed to kiss the IDF's boots? You are calling me an anti semite on what grounds? That I call the IDF and the US on their collective violations of the Geneva Conventions?

Not one of you fucking half wits would make it in the CF. You show you stripes the way you are here, and people like me would showe you to the door so fast, you fucking feet wouldn't even hit the floor.

Gutter white trash inbred half wits.

Earl, at what point in time did I say I was either a) a peacekeeper (though I do have CPSM, which means I did the time) or b) a negotiator. I do not negotiate with idiots.

Jeff is a troll.

Jeff,

you're wasting time and effort trading insults. Stand easy. There are lots of things to discuss, but not with the current commenters.

Agifact, you are right... It burns me, that there are those that seem to think I must support the very organisation that is directly responsible for the man that trained, and molded me. HVK was the course officer on my ISCC.

I am done with this thread... It frankly nauseates me.

"The IDF purposely kills one of us (clearly not one of you) and I am supposed to kiss the IDF's boots? You are calling me an anti semite on what grounds?"
On the grounds that you just stated you retard! The IDF purposely killed a Canadian soldier? Man you are dumb.
I serverd in the military for 16 years, went to the Gulph war, Bosnia, hell I was there when they bombed Libya, so don't come on here with your pathetic cry of nobody here would make it in the military.
I stiil maitain that you're full of shite about being in the military, your personal opinion would go up like a lead balloon.
Keep chirping idiot boy, we can all see what you're about.

The IDF did target that OP. It is plainly marked, and has exsisted since 1976. It was a big compound, painted all white. Real hard to miss.

Second point, UNIFIL called in to the IDF command on SIX seperate occasions on the day of the incident, each time demanding that the IDF check fire. EACH time the IDF acknowldgeed and assured that the outpost would not be targetted.

For that OP to actually get hit, is the hieght of incompetance or it was targetted. Given the history involved, and the tactical significance. It was targetted.

multirec, you LACK of tactical understanding speaks volumes to your military expereince, or lack there of.

"It burns me, that there are those that seem to think I must support the very organisation that is directly responsible for the man that trained, and molded me"
From what I've read about the man, he'd be highly disappointed with you.
"I am done with this thread... It frankly nauseates me."
Best news I've heard all day.

"multirec, you LACK of tactical understanding speaks volumes to your military expereince, or lack there of."
Again, who really gives a fart what you think, you cbc drone you.
If I remember correctly, didn't the Canadian soldier complain that the hezbullah were firing too close from their position? What is unifil doing there in the first place, it's a war zone! Keeping peace were they? Hows that working so far?
Stop your whining about the IDF and put blame where blame is due, on whoever ordered the Canadian soldier to maintain his post.

Really multirec. I knew him personally. And you? You read about him? And you feel qualified to comment like that.

Newsflash. You are a moron, and a disgrace to the uniform you once wore (assuming you ever wore a uniform).

Again jeffwee, who gives a rat's ass what you think, you're obviously an idiot whannabe who probably never made it past the boy scouts, let alone the military.
Personally, I don't think you knew the man at all. I'm sure if you told him your views on the IDF, he would've buried his boot far up your arse!
PS. Weren't you going away?

Personally, I am calling you a liar here and now. You never served day one. Never been to the Gulf, never been to BiH.

You are a moron, and a racist bigot to boot. If you ever decide to grow a spine, and enlist, you would be bounced faster then a mbr of the HA.

Multirec, get stuffed you useless peice of garbage.

The medals I have really care what you think. Let's see, the liberation of Kuwait, CD, The bosnia war ( I think that it's for a certain amount of man hours at the location, but am not sure) and the cheesy Canadian medal for the Gulph war. The bloody thing looks like one of those chocolat wrapped coins, where as the Kuwait medal is a beautiful thing to behold.
This is getting old Jeff. We're killing Kate's bandwidth, so I'll concede, you can have the last insult.

And I still call bullshit.

That's nice jeffweee!
Anyways, gotta go play hockey, don't chase your tail too long without getting a drink of water jeff, you'll get dehydrated!

Normally I wouldn't link to a CBC story but it came from Bourque (no wonder). "Mother lashes out at Taliban at slain son's funeral"

Jeff said,

"What is with the fasination with "islamic terrorist"? I do not recall hearing the IRA being called a christian terrorist (tho some protestants would refer to them as Catholic terrorists)."

Jeff says he does not get the connection between Islam and terrorists and then he equivocates Islamic fascists to Christians and Catholics because of the IRA.

I really doubt that Jeff is a soldier or he would certainly understand that Islam is not a race and that the Catholic Church did not allow the IRA to use the church pulpit to continuously preach mayhem and recruit murderers in Gods name.

And I guess Jeff did not listen to Pres. Bush speaking specifically about the threat from Islamic fascists last week.

Kofi Annan's UN War Against Israel:

Part II: Muslim Islamist terrorists "smell blood".

Islam: A religion of blood and Death.

Keep your powder dry. ...-

Neighbors Smell Blood in Israeli Cease-Fire Acceptance

Arutzsheva News ^ | 8/13/06 | Ezra HaLevi
Neighbors Smell Blood in Israeli Cease-Fire

Acceptance 16:53 Aug 13, '06 / 19 Av 5766 by Ezra HaLevi Arabs and Muslims from Iran, Hizbullah and the PA are celebrating Israel’s acceptance of the UN ceasefire, dubbing it a "surrender" and calling on Arab states to attack the new "weak" Israel. free republic

Concrete, yet another idiot, here to surmise incorrectly.

I am a soldier, of there there is no mistaking. I am a Canadian, of that there is no mistaking.

There is a loose connection between Islam and those that perpetrate terror. Loose in that the terrorists claim to be Muslim, when, by the writings of the Koran, they are in absolute violation.

Having a little bit of an understanding about that which you wish to speak, makes you look less the fucking moron concrete. I was raised Catholic (several years ago, because of idiots like you I turned my back on the Church, though I still consider myself faithful). I have several Muslim friends and co-workers within the CF. Your description does not match. PERIOD

If all of ISLAM are terrorists, and bent on converting or killing the rest of us, we are right truely fucked. Indonesia alone is populated by 1 billion Muslims. They have some of the world's most up to date weaponery as well. Pakistan, has nuclear weapons, as well as a HUGE American arsenal.

I just named two countries, that might not win a war, but if teamed up could bring alot of destrction to NA. Two contries that are our allies. Two countries of faithful Muslims that do NOT fit your ignorant picture there concrete (what is with the concrete miniker anyways? Symbolic of what is between your ears?).

And the bigotry continues.

I just got this news alert from the caledoniawakeupcall dot com:

1) Prime Minister Harper's Office Threatens to Suit Us
2) We are filing a hate crime complaint against your site.
3) Natives Threaten Terrorist Action Against Canada
4) McGuinty Punishes CHTV for Liberal Plan Coverage

"Loose in that the terrorists claim to be Muslim, when, by the writings of the Koran, they are in absolute violation."
Your so full of shite that it's coming outta your diaper there sonny boy.
Obviously you haven't read the koran otherwise you wouldn't make such an uneducated, ignorant statement.
So...explain to me what the "smite all disbelievers at the neck where ever you find them" means you dummy.
Dipshits like jeffwee would have all our heads chopped off while he complained about bigotry on the internet. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Actually, multirec, anyone can go to vangaurdnews and get passages like that. I get my information first hand, from deployments into Muslim enclaves, and working side by side with Muslims... Unlike white sheet wearing pukes like you, I tend to go out and dig a little deeper then the surface of a quick google search.

Funny is morons like you. Funny is your claim at military service. What were you? A career Pte? Let me guess at your trade... Patatoe peeler. Naw, not even that far. You don't even know the names of the honours you have been "bestowed". Each of those medals you claim has a title, a name if you would. You didn't name a single one... Nor could you without an internet search.

Let me help you out a little bit:

www.force.gc.ca

When you can find someone to help you read it, I am sure you will accidently stumble in the honours and awards section.

What the hell is a patatoe peeler? Any ways, onto your shrill rant there harpie.
"get my information first hand, from deployments into Muslim enclaves, and working side by side with Muslims... Unlike white sheet wearing pukes like you, I tend to go out and dig a little deeper then the surface of a quick google search."
Yawn...Don't get your panties in a knot jeffwee, just because I called you on your bs.
So you're saying that the koran doesn't state to "smite all disbeliever's at the neck, where ever you find them"? You really are a nutjob!

(Original photo shot by P. Trudeau and Alex. Trudeau (fils) at Trudeau's 90th birthday media event. Maggie stayed home.) ...-

Cuban Goverment tries to sell the world on a Photoshop picture of Castro

drudgereport ^ | 13 August 2006 | trueblackman

via free republic

Yawn.

Jeff has a filthy mouth and likes to bait and flame others just like all internet trolls.

Jeff, in the concrete business it is important to understand how to first correctly place and consolidate and THEN finish.

With little understanding of this process even trolling Jeff eventually comes to the inevitable conclusion, "There is a loose connection between Islam and those that perpetrate terror."

IMO, speaking concretely, Jeff is now finished.

Quote 9: "smite the Midianites as one man." Judges, 6:16

Quote 19: "The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. A sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward." Isaiah, 1:3-4

Quote 22: "Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; they blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it." Ezekiel, 21:32

That didn;t take long at all... And there are MANY MANY more quotes from this book.

Which book is it oh wise one?

I leave you with the word of the day: CRUSADES

Concrete, I am not done, until the bigots have left this country... Failing that, at elast go back to the books, and study a little bit.

Bigots are the enemy. They are the enemy within, the fifth column within Canada, seeking to destroy our nation from within. Are you my enemy concrete?

"I leave you with the word of the day: CRUSADES"
Most of us like to stay with the "current" news, not some shite that happened how many years ago?
"Are you my enemy concrete?"
With the way your brain functions, who isn't your enemy?

Anyone who is not a bigot is not my enemy. It's not too late for you multirec. All you really have to do is make an effort to understand. Maybe pick up an english version of the Koran, and read the thing through while making comaparative notes with the Bible. There many similarities (mostly because, the earlier chapters of the Koran mirror the Old Testement, in fact, many of the players are the same, like Abraham and Moses).

Next step would be to actually talk to people of ME desent, Muslim, Christian and animist alike. Get to know them, in a way the vangaurdnews could never teach you. I am sure you will be happy to know that you will meet some that meet your rather shallow views... But many more that do not.

I make no secret that I HATE bigots. I do not care what colour or religion the bigot is... There is no room in Canada for them. My views were solidified during Op Palladium, both in the early years, and in the last year of that mission. I have seen what ethnic hatred will do to a nation, and I will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening here.

This entire thread to date has been nothing but a hate filled diatribe against all muslims. Very few participants even bothered with the pretext of saying Hezbollah, Hamas, or Taliban. If you had of, if this was about wiping those organisations off of the face of the planet, I would be there with you, as all three of those are terrorist organisations, and need to be killed to a man. But that is not what I am seeing in this thread.

Ya see, this is where you and I disconnect. When you start seeing christians sawing off people's heads on the internet and yelling "jesus is great",then I'll discuss the bible compared to the koran.
As to the bigot and racist slurs you've thrown around, it means diddly squat to me. Lefties throw those words around so much that they've become useless.
But good luck on your crusade to expel bigotry from Canada, a noble albeit naive cause.

"Very few participants even bothered with the pretext of saying Hezbollah, Hamas, or Taliban. If you had of, if this was about wiping those organisations off of the face of the planet, I would be there with you, as all three of those are terrorist organisations, and need to be killed to a man. But that is not what I am seeing in this thread."

What the hell do you think that I'm talking about, killing all muslims? Of course not. Do I have to write hezbollah,hamas, and taliban everytime for you?

Dig that hole deeper. Your cowardice knows no bounds. I wanted to see if you were truely a bigot, and I gues snow I know.

I see Christians killing people all the time. Look south, to the states. Capitol punishment. Look east to Iraq. The hypocrisy, and or sheer ignorance of your statement is truely astounding. It happenes all the time, men killing other men with the name God on their lips. It happens there, it happens here, to single out one group for this is completely insane. Second point, those murderous bastards you reference in your above statment of idiocy, represent a very small fraction of a fraction of the Muslim faithful.

Did you not see the numbers I posted above? Billions. If those actions were indicative of the muslim faith, then why is this not a daily occurance all over the planet? We are we even still living in security and safety? If there are billions of memebers of a "death cult" bent on killing themselves and us, how is it that we have not seen a massive explosion of violence that over sweeps all of civilisation? I can tell you how it is that we are not all fighting to the death here and now... It is because you are dead wrong.

So now I see you for what you really are multirec, a hypocrite, an idiot, and a bigot. I pity you. It must be harsh going through life with so much fear and loathing.

"What the hell do you think that I'm talking about, killing all muslims? Of course not. Do I have to write hezbollah,hamas, and taliban everytime for you?"

When it comes to killing, or singling out an entire group of people for violence or censure, then yes. You do have to type it every single time.

Jeff, I am just curious.

Have you ever been to Eugene Oregon?

Also, go to the side bar and read the Comment Rules here on sda.

And then may I suggest you try to make like a good soldier and follow them too.

Aw shattap jeffwee.So Christians are killing in the name of jesus? Where you jackass? Give me "current" sources, not your assinine crusade bullshit. South? Man are you stupid. Comparing the death penalty to muslims killing, bombing, beheading muslims and non mulsims is retarded at best. Iraq? I do believe that muslims are killing more muslims everyday compared to the US, give that lump on your shoulders a good shake, anything rattle?
I see you for what you are as well, a rabid idiot who hates everything that doesn't fit into your pea brain dogma.
Look in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, no it's jeffwee in his leotards, ready to fight bigotry on the internet!
You go girl!

Fox News: Unusual activity on Syria's border. Reporter says land mines being removed, replaced by 30 tanks. Reporter asked if she thought it's offensive or defensive. She said hard to tell. Reminds there has been little/no action there in over 3 decades.

multirec, I recommend use of the term "jihadi lovers" for clarity.

"When it comes to killing, or singling out an entire group of people for violence or censure, then yes. You do have to type it every single time."

Posted by: Jeff

Of course it doesn't bother Jeff that virtually every single Muslim nation does this to non-Muslims institutionalized in state law. Is it racist of me to point that out for you Jeff?

Michelle Malkin has two links today to articles about the men charged in Dearborne. They, their lawyers, families and now a girlfriend are saying their boys are victims of racial profiling.

The more they talk the more holes appear in their stories.

There was also a Fox News.com story yesterday, '3 Men Arrested in Michigan on Terror Charges', that has details about the phones and the fact that apparently they admitted to:

"buying the phones, which cost about $20 and come with a charger, taking them out of their packaging and selling them to a wholesaler in Texas for about $38 without the charger."

All three articles make mention, of the papers that were found in their possession at time of arrest, as likely coming from the mother of one, who works at a Dearborne airport, and recently attended a seminar.

What kind of seminar was the mother attending? Is she under investigation? Why are they re-selling the phones with no chargers? Who's the wholesaler buying them?

The latest on lgf: The family that kills together.

"A HUSBAND and wife arrested in the British terror raids allegedly planned to take their six-month-old baby on a mid-air suicide mission."

Here's a Quote/post from a lgf commentor re: the above subject: #39

"There will never be peace until they love their children as much as they hate us"?

- Golda Maier

I see Jeff the troll and phony CF member has been busy.

Perhaps Jeff is in Eugene. (spelling is too good though)

If you can stomach it Mike Wallace is fawning over Ahmadinejad on 60 minutes tonight.

"I see Jeff the troll and phony CF member has been busy."
I know, I was stupid to bite. Anyone with his views would be punted from the military asap.

Ya, so says the arm chair general. Get bent ya half wit bigot. Don't you have a lynching to go to? Or was today you were gonna marry your sister?

Not only did I not get punted, but I gave enough of a hint as to what my rank is way up there. But then, without military expereince, how are you going to know what is meant by the Queen's crown.

Bunch of arm cahir general bigots in here. Not a spine amongst ya.

Wa wa wa ...jeffwee the military whannabe is havin a hissy!

But then, without military expereince, how are you going to know what is meant by the Queen's crown.

General?

"But then, without military expereince, how are you going to know what is meant by the Queen's crown."

I guess we'd find out the same way you did, Jeff, we'd listen to a friend or relative in the military or read about it.

Cheri,

you must be so disappointed! Wallace didn't fawn one bit, he was downright ignorant in spots. I'd love to see him try that approach with the president or PM of a western country. For the poor, benighted heathen he is made out to be, Ahmadinejad looked pretty good.

Ahhh, come on gang, let poor Jeff alone. After all he was a big cheese in army cadets, the Queen's Own Camel Corps or something and has a big chip on his shoulders. Besides, he hasn't said one thing new since he started his rant.

Even Steve d was a bit more entertaining than this guy.

"After all he was a big cheese in army cadets, the Queen's Own Camel Corps or something"

Texas, please...a warning would be appreciated. I just had pop go up my nose!

Actually agifact I have to agree about Wallace. I guess I expected to see what Nealenews was reporting in his preview. It did start off that way. I think Wallace was easier on Saddam.

As far as making Ahmadinejad look good... in the middle East and Venezuala maybe.

I missed part of the interview. Hope to catch in a later time zone. Did Wallace ask him about releasing Bin Laden's son from prison?

But then, without military expereince, how are you going to know what is meant by the Queen's crown.

Admiral?

Grand Poobah!

Here Agitfact a fan club for you. Courtesy Captains Quarters:

First, the good news: The blogosphere now has a bona-fide head of state as one of its members.

The bad news: it's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Well, now that we have established none of the big talkers have a clue about military affairs, and are bigots... What is next I wonder? Oh, discovered more then one liar in the group too... Interesting.

Jeff,

Are you Shirley Maclaine? I think I saw you in "Two Mules for Sister Sara".

"Well, now that we have established none of the big talkers have a clue about military affairs, "

Who's we, Captan Canaduh?

Twenty two(plus) years of service to queen and country. As for being labeled a bigot by Jeff the almighty, I would like some proof of my bigotry (not lefty rhetoric and generalities) otherwise I'd advise Jeff to shut his cakehole.

Two things, first, I do not taking marching orders from you. Second, your defense of multirec and missisuga matt speaks volumes. You can advise all you want, but defending those half wits is not gonna keep me very civil towards you.

As for their conduct, look up CFAO 19.43... Alot of the conduct in here fits the definition very nicely. Thankfully for them I guess, none of them are claiming to be currently serving, as if proven by investigation, this conduct would be grounds for administrative action, and possible release.

Jeff the troll and phony CF member still pounding those keys.

Yep, I am dirtbag. Ya miss me?

Jeff,

You are welcome over at CalgaryGrit.blogspot.com. You will likely die of boredom there however, so it may be that you are just testing right waters.

Converts are not unusual and often become pretty good conservatives.

It would be appreciated if you would refrain from wasting long lengths of thread on tit for tat name calling.

Debate is always more elegant.

Name calling is a Liberal ploy used when logic runs dry. =TG