Ms. Lawand is a disgrace and a further reason why the CBC ought to be sold.

The CBC makes me want to pull my hair out!

...relax folks, what you are seeing is the making of a new GG...

LMAO tomax7 - good one. Don't encourage her...

SHOCKING ??
Not really. The CBC has been the QUEEN OF SPIN (QOS) for decades. We are just aware of the propaganda now, thanks to the Internet and blogs. Pravda had/has nothing on the CBC when it comes to "slanted news". The Internet and blogs has the potential to do, and is doing, mucho damage to the MSM. How long before there is an attempt to "control" the citizens of the world's new news source ? Has there not been talk, already, of The United Nations controling/taxing the www in order to "protect" the people from "harm" ? One World Governance, Earth Charter, Oak Lake Manitoba here we come !!

I think that within the CBC culture, "getting the PM" is a way of scoring points. It's a way of looking good, getting ahead. The CBC, like Hezbollah, has its own internal logic. Nevertheless, what this reporter did was contemptible. She should be ashamed. And so should the CBC.

I am so damn mad I sent a formal complaint to the cbc and copy to the crtc. I know it won't do any damn good, but I had to do something.

Come now, where are our lawyers? I believe I have actually suffered harm from this and deserve to be compensated.

Class action suit, anyone? Let's bankrupt the CBC!

I think Harper should consider a lawsuit. It would draw attention to the blatent bias and destroy any journalistic integrity Christina still had with Canadians.

Financial bankrupt would match the moral bankruptcy that is cbc now. Be done with government owned, operated media, bad idea right from the start.

This is precisely the same as when the majority of the Canadian media took PM Campbell's "An election is no time to discuss serious issues" quote completely out of context. That show of bias ruined her career and led to 13 years of Liberal waste. Anyone who's seen that whole segment knows that she said that an election is not the only time to discuss serious issues and that serious issues could not possibly be debated effectively in such a short timeframe.

Let's not let this example overshadow the other blatant media laziness that came out of that same press conference. Reporters are too lazy to ask for clarification when PM Harper mentions a cabinet minister whose name sounds like another cabinet minister. Forget context for a second -- he was blatantly misquoted. More at my blog.

All this for only $1 Billion a year! Pay your taxes. Shut your mouth.

I was so angry that I sent a Email off to the CBC(I know it's useless)and thier Ombudsman (Accuracy,Fairness and Integrity)asking for a full apology in Prime time.
I know I'm barking at trees but it felt good.

This is just as bad as that infamous "Heil Harper" clip the CBC produced during the campaign.

While we're on the topic of the much-loved CBC, what the heck is with the esteemed public broadcaster's obsession with sex lately? Nearly every evening they show some sort of documentary on various sexual themes. Makes me sick that our tax dollars support this crap. Thank God I have satellite TV!

Pay your taxes, don't complain, blindly believe and absorb the liberal slime/propaganda they shove at you as many other suckers have done and continue to do...

Sorry, not me.

Stephen needs to cut the CBC off from the government teat, and fast.

Perhaps in the future, someone could find Ms. Lawand's email address so we could discuss the issue with her directly, or failing that, the address for the CBC ombudsman. (It seems to have hit a snag....it won't display properly)

Quel Surpris.

The MSM constantly makes a big deal of poll results. They use them to; (1)create controversy, (2)make claims on the direction gov't policy SHOULD take, (3)make or break political careers, (4)make Canadians feel quilty, and more. Since these are all very serious motives, I was just wondering;

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN RAW POLLING DATA ??

IS POLLING DATA EVER INDEPENDENTLY AUDITED ??

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A LIST OF THOSE POLLED ??

HAS ANYONE EVER CHALLENGED THE WAY QUESTIONS ARE PUT ??

Just wondering, as the MSM always presents polling data as some kind of GOSPEL TRUTH, you know, acurate to within blah, nineteen times out of blah blah. Just my opinion, but maybe, just maybe, most polls are a HOAX.

Stephen Taylor seems to have a lot of free time on his hands. This was nothing more than a convenient, five second sound bite that summarized the position of the government. Nothing was mentioned that this was an answer to any particular question, it was simply preceded by a comment by Lawand:

“And while Elsaadi Daad was invited to deliver her message directly to the foreign affairs minister, Stephen Harper clearly wasn’t swayed.”

Followed by Harper: “I’m not concerned or preoccupied in any way with reaction within individual communities. I think that reaction is very predictable.”

So? Is that bad? Is it a lie?

Perhaps if they used something from the second answer on Taylor’s clip:

“...they can’t and shouldn’t guide all of our decisions...”

Is that better?

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Just as a sidenote to my original comment (sorry), the clip I was talking about with the misquoting is in Stephen's video. It's when he said that "they met with Minister MacKay and Minister Verner" -- but some dipsticks reported that it was Minister Bernier. I've written to the Ottawa Sun to complain. Accuracy is just as important as neutrality.

This is nothing new, nothing new at all, it's been going on for decades as far as I know. My contention, and stated here and elsewhere, is that we are lied to and deceived by omission. The sleaze b sleaze has been doing this for years, it's common practice. I first became aware of this deception from an inebriated journalist friend of mine, and a high up one, years ago. The key here is they never really lie, they slant the real meaning by omission. Today you can take practically nothing reported in the MSM as accurately describing a situation or the meaning in which it was intended. I could almost guarantee you that if you went back over news reports prior to the last Federal election that almost every single report by the sleaze b sleaze slanting was an issue. Every single one.

I forgot to mention the Reutergate story before this thread, if true, it’s a prime example.

What a way to start: "While the PM met with his caucus a safe distance away, the protesters came to share their fury -- ("Harper, Harper, Shame on You!") -- angry the Prime Minister refuses to call an immediate ceasefire in the Middle East. (Leb.woman: "and burning the children, and killing innocent people...that's wrong and this has to stop!")

Gee, what's THAT about? It's so non-partisan I can't even tell what point it's making.

Loved her take on the Prime Minister's press conference: "When asked about today's civilian deaths Harper responded without mentioning them."

No! You mean...his words were different words than the ones some reporter wanted him to say? Oh, no. Oh no, no. No. He's really crossed a line this time.

By the way, massive plaudits and kudos and every other word like that to Stephen Taylor and the Blogging Tories for that excellent and important presentation. There's the front lines, folks.

Western Canadian:
I forgot to mention the Reutergate story before this thread, if true, it’s a prime example.

Indeed...

Over at LGF, Charles runs an explosive expose on al-Reuters doctoring photos from Beirut. The implications of such deceit are staggering...
( No, just SOP... )

I'm livid, but that's worth nothing. The twits in the media, CBC (PRAVDA revisited)in particular have to be called on this immediately. The government will have to demand a public accounting for this blatant manipulation of facts and truth. The scum in the media are not only debasing the Prime Minister, they are taking all of us for fools. The kicker here is the boors are not even good journalists, good journalists do not operate that way. Let's demand apologies from both the goon journalists and their employers. Oops, in the case of CBC, that's us, we are their employers. Lovely.Damn them all.

This might be bad for your health Liz, but stay mad. This one's gonna give.

CTV, at times, well, we know, it's like they sort of can't help it -- it's in their very makeup, and hair -- but at least they showed the whole press conference.

CBC's take is " Strombopopolous is chomping at the bit, so we'll just sum it up for you on your own dime: Harper-Bush-Dead-Children..."

Huzzah...

JamesHalifax: This is the CBC Ombudsman'a (aka Ombudstoady) e-mail address: Ombudsman@cbc.ca.
By all means write to him; he needs to have his inbox innundated with complaints about this one. Unfortunately, he worked for both the CBC and in the journalism program at Ryerson before he was asked back by the CBC to take the position of ombudsman.

There is a clear conflict of interest here, but who has any scruples about that? Certainly, conflict of interest and lack of integrity in standards of journalism have never caused the CBC any second thoughts.

I've been monitoring and writing to the CBC since the late '70s. They've been at this cat and mouse game for a long time, I'm sure long before I became "media-savvy" and began to notice glaring discrepancies in issues I am well-versed in and which they massacred, either by reporting faulty information, misrespresenting information, and by simply ommitting information they didn't want the public to know about.

Keep writing to them, no matter how discouraging. There needs to be a "paper/cyberspace trail" so that it can never be said by them, "We didn't know. We thought our public was happy with what we were doing."

CBC = Crap Begets Crap: Scum of the First Order. What did we do to deserve this? 'Asleep at the wheel, I guess. This is another wake-up call.

PS--JamesHalifax: If you find Christine Lawand's e-mail address at Fortress CBC, please post it. (I don't know about you, but I find navigating the CBC Web site to be like walking into a multi-room maze, designed to make sure that you're never quite sure to find what you're looking for. Once you've found it, good luck trying to find it again; it seems to me like they move things around and disappear the item you just saw the other day...hmmm...where could it be now...? Like the CBC, itself, not user-friendly.)

I too, wrote the CBC ombudsman with my concerns (I tried to stay calm?)

Isn't it interesting how no e-mail addressess are to be found for the reporters - gee - almost like they don't want any. That way, they are free to lie in their stories, insulated as they are by our tax dollars.

The sad thing is that the latte drinkers in downtown Toronto will watch the CBC and think that this is actually what happened. No wonder urban legends become gospel truth!

I found an address for the national which I guess is second best to the reporter herself. Maybe if we all write and let them know that they are busted, they might change.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Anyway, here is the address - let's let them know we are on to their lies.

http://www.cbc.ca/national/yourturn/index.html

there's nothing wrong with this piece in the least. good editing allowed us to get the thrust of the piece quickly. harper supports the israeli invasion of lebanon regardless of which minority communities support or reject his position. taylor's propaganda is merely an attempt to distract his readers from the real guts of harper's foreign policy. many canadians don't agree with our government's position as is our right to do so. an election will quickly indicate the public's postion on harper's decisions. i think this is what conservatives fear the most. "moral clarity" may cost harper dearly

thankas for the comment jeff. Which department of the CBC do yo work in?

Jeff,

Not actually true. The piece ignores Harper's comments that he thinks the jewish community AND arab communities reactions are predictable. The report showed him not meeting with the rep, although he commented that he wants to hear all sides and points out that prominent RICH memebers of the jewish community are now supporting him, without his disclaimer that he isnt looking at the polls.

Ther is a shift in this report.

Now the bad luck of Harper is that he gave long winded answers that dont play well on TV and then just at the end he lets out this exasperated 2 or 3 liner. Well, sorry but SH should either find a better way to get a good quote in for what he WANTS to say. Or dont say something open to misinterpretation in a quotable manner.

Dont assume the media will carry your message properly so only give them what you want. That is why he doesnt do scrums etc etc, he just proved his own policy.

Lawand twisted the report, clear as a Sunday church bell, but Harper should know better than to give her the last quote, the words "I dont care" should never ever cross a Prime Minister's lips, no matter what the context. Media relations 101.

All that being said, write to the ombudsman because she didnt capture the essence of his answers or the governments position, bad reporting and Harper should think again about getting his talking points straight.

thanks for the comment jeff. Which department of the CBC do yo work in?
Posted by: pete at August 6, 2006 09:34 AM

obviously the Propaganda Dept.

The actual essence of the Harper's message was that he was neutral and was not taking the side of either party in the conflict but looking out for CANADA's best interests.

That is the message they need to hone and perfect because most Canadians dont give a fig for what happens there. They want to be "fair" and most importantly "uninvolved".

Harper needs to state his policies in terms of Canada's interests and hammer that point. He also needs to find a point of difference with the Americans on the larger issue, but that is a secondary point.

This needs to be about supporting the Lebanese AND Israeli people's ability to live in peace which means a stable Lebanese state where the Lebanese government is the only power in the country. Which means ultimately the disarming of Hesbo and the withdrawl of israeli troops.

Once again this needs to be boiled into 30 second talking points......just the nature of the game.

Maybe we should be writing to Gerry Schwartz and guaranteeing him an audience of 42% of Canadians and growing, if he agrees be our Rupert Murdoch and start a new station:

Beaver Canada - Damn the CBC

Don't know what the truth is re acceptance of new or recent immigrants to our land taking to our streets wearing their religion and telling our government what to do. I don't like it, they are still carrying baggage from whence they came. Instead of settling in and learning how we live and conduct our lives they are fighting the old wars they brought along with them. Simple solution:LEAVE, and godspeed.

Don't know what the truth is re acceptance of new or recent immigrants to our land taking to our streets wearing their religion and telling our government what to do. I don't like it, they are still carrying baggage from whence they came. Instead of settling in and learning how we live and conduct our lives they are fighting the old wars they brought along with them. Simple solution:LEAVE, and godspeed.

Jeff - you are obviously pasteing and copying yourcomment on lots of blogs so I will "paste and copy" my answer to you which I responded to on another blog.

"there's nothing wrong with this piece in the least. good editing allowed us to get the thrust of the piece quickly"

Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy - it is obvious from your comment that you are a CBC watcher - therefore, you have been brainwashed. There is no hope for you until you seriously stop watching the CBC.

For you to say this was "good editing" really shows how far gone you really are. This piece was a lie and the "good editing" was an attempt to paint an inaccurate picture of the truth.

Jeff, sweetie - get your head out of your behind and wake up to the facts instead of the drivel you are being fed on CBC. They are lying to you. Watch, listen and learn!

So now "moral clarity" is a bad thing?
Jeff, if as you surmise the best Prime Minister we have had in many years could lose an election over being clear, then Canadians deserve what they get.
Stephen Harper knows the difference between right and wrong, thats the point that most people seem to miss.

The appropriate way to deal with this is to develop a "secret agenda" to cut all government funding of the CBC after the CPC wins a majority.

Just quietly turn off the taps. The CBC can then live or die based on its commercial viability.

The LPC rats will jump off the sinking ship as soon as their favorite food (cash) appears to be in short supply.

Toronto,

the natural home/abode/HQ of the Canadian Broadcorping Castration,

is captured/invested by hedonism/carnal

exhibitionism/sexual perversion/black humour, etc. ...-

Toronto comes alive with Caribana parade
CTV.ca - 16 hours ago
The Caribana parade once again brought Caribbean culture to Toronto, as an estimated 1.2 million people watched Saturday's procession of colourful costumes. "Every year I want to do this," said Lance Waddell. ...

I struggle with understanding why this is such an 'outrage'? The media (all media, print - electronic) take things out of context all the time because (a) either the reporters don't understand the issue (b) the media outlet does have a bias. Don't tell me that back in the day that ALL of Conrad Black's Canadian papers DIDN'T have a bias against the left?

All this tells me is that the criticism of Stephen Harper's positon on the Middle East is hitting home, otherwise his apologists would not be creating slick online multi-media presentations such as this. - Does it make sense to be so wound up because the CBC trew a little 'fly poop' in the right wings pepper. This proves my contention about the right in Canada once again: 'rightwingers can sure dish it out, (but they can't take it!)

As a consumer ...we MUST email ALL those companies who advertise on the CBC...telling them that we will NO LONGER buy their product...THAT and ONLY THAT will get CBC's attention...Example: I just saw a Honda commercial... Honda will be getting an email from me...I'm on the hunt...

As someone who worked in television for ten years, this was a blatant bit of dishonest reporting and editing.

A clear breach of integrity.

Anyone who thinks this was okay, I wouldn't trust you in my house.

Helen, good idea, let's all do it.Lack of funds might just be the WMD to dislodge their heads from their asses.

Just target those who advertise on the news programs. Focus rather than a general boycott.

It was a twisted report, it would be interesting to see her defend herself on something equivalent to Reliable Sources. But we dont do that up here, much too nice and you wouldnt get invited your friends next party or barbeque. Yes virginia, it is that "clique-ey".

Yes the C anadian B rainwashing C orporation has done it again,doing what it does best as the Idealistic voice of the new Canada(read that as Kanuckistan).
As long as the Canadian mainstream population remains lazy and posessed of no initiative to know what is really going on out there in the world around them, then they will always fall prey to the unscrupulous reporting of the likes of the CBC and their running dogs.
As sad as all this is,one can't help but wonder if good men like Stephen Harper won't finally get discouraged enough to throw up their hands and say 'enough' and leave Canada to sink or swim under whatever dillusional guise she should choose for her sorry self.
You couldn't fault the man and it would truly be a great loss for this most precious country .But then I fear this country may already be lost.
No! we must save it; for it is worth saving.
And good men like Stephen Harper are worth supporting.

Helen - Hunt for the rest of us. Please post the names and email addresses of CBC sponsors. I promise I'll follow up if you do. (As you might surmise, I don't watch CBC so have no clue who advertises there.)

I forwarded a copy of the video to the CBC ombudstoady. I agree with new kid: Even though the CBC will treat your criticism with an utter lack of respect, the "paper" trail's the thing. It also keeps them busy: I know they've had to hire staff to try to handle the complaints. The ombustoady always used to respond himself--unsatisfactorily, but it was from the horse's (ass's) mouth. Now, other entities respond: Don't erase that email from an unfamiliar source too quickly. It may be the CBC hack (not!) responding to your concern.

B Hoax, like new kid, I've been monitoring and challenging CBC for over two decades: a lot of good it's done! (Paper trail, though.) And, Richard Ball, it's good to remember that the CBC has no shame! Not a pretty picture, but we should definitely ramp up the pressure. (I use pointed, but different language--not the language I use here--when I communicate my concerns. Understatement's often a useful tool.)

I truly hope that the damage being done by the MSM to PMSH--notice, honourable man that he is, that he's standing firm--isn't going to cost him reelection. If that happens, I may have to move to Alberta and support its separation referendum! Let's hope not.

Afternoon, Isnt that legally intelligent, but isnt reporting like that some kind of fraud, dosnt the CBC have a legal manidate being a public broadcaster to be impartial and provide truthful coverage. Could a group of like minded people launch a class action suit. Anybody have any answers for me

O.K. people...
Adding to the list of advertisers on CBC Newsworld...

1. Honda
2.A&W Restaurants
3.Ing Direct Banking Tel # 1-866-700-1763
McCains Foods

I have set my VCR ...will add new names as they appear.

Roger that, Helen. Thanks and keep up the good work!

...not to rain on the parade or taken personally, but isn't it a bit over the top to start listing CBC advertisers? Plus were these advertisers the same ones during the broadcast? Something about a paintbrush....

Write to the heads of CBC instead, skip the middleman.

http://www.ucc.ca/Section_5/PDF/PETITION_FOR_RCI.pdf

All the addresses & phone #'s you need are on the last page of the Ukraine Petition.

Fire away.

For those who wish to contact Ms Lawand personally, here's the only thing I was able to come up with by looking her up in the Press Gallery website at http://www.gallery-tribune.ca/:

Lawand, Christina
(Area code ? ) 288-6996
CBC TV, 181 Queen
Ottawa ?

Emails can be sent through the following address, but not necessarily directly to Ms Lawand:
http://www.gallery-tribune.ca/form.html

Consider what would have happened if Mr. Dithers had won the last election:

PMPM would be on-air stuttering ceaselessly how the war-mongering M.E. bullies, the USA-backed Israelis had started the conflagration and were to be condemned. The CBC would pre-empt it's smash hit program "The One" to carry his pearls of wisdom.

Canada's U.N. ambassador Mr. Rock would voice Canada's support in the General Assembly for Hezbollah and the poor oppressed people of Lebanon. They would propose with their close allies in France a resolution calling on Israel to desist any further aggression and recompense the Lebanese government for any and all damages, including any dead Hezbollah "freedom-fighters". Further, the resolution would impose on Israel a Gun Registry, so successfully implemented in Canada at minimal expense so that no criminal acts could occur in the region.

PMPM's vast shipping empire would be diverted (at great expense to Canadians) to Lebanon in order to facilitate the transport of Canadians-of-convenience out of danger. A fleet of Bombardier planes would be used to fly them in comfort back to Canada. All would be interviewed on the MSM extensively, showing their gratitude for the Liberals and PMPM in particular. Bombardier would receive massive contracts to build a fleet of long-range aircraft so that Canada could be prepared to handle similar evacuations of Canadians-of-convenience from any country in the world.

PMPM would offer a Canadian "peace-keeping" force of who remained in the military to prevent any possible Israeli incursion into Lebanon and "deliberate targetting of freedom fighters" there.
This Canadian peace-keeping force would join the larger French contingent armed with baguettes and croissants...

Ah, you get the picture.

Here are some of the email addresses at cbc.ca you can complain to.

Ombudsman@cbc.ca
cbcinput@cbc.ca
DubeJon@cbc.ca
Mary_Sheppard@cbc.ca (exec producer of cbc news online)

b hoax is absolutely right.

this is the golden age of blogs right here and now folks, take it in while you can. the powers that be ALWAYS stomp dissent and alternate voice. they cannot exist surrounded by the truth. come on, do you REALLY think this freedom of expression is going to continue forever ???

who do you 'pay' to host a web site and what are you going to do when they refuse to do so based on new regulations regarding content ??? hmmmm ??? how long do you figure we have before fossilization sets in ???

area code for ottawa is 613 thus:

Lawand, Christina
(613) 288-6996
CBC TV, 181 Queen
Ottawa ?

credit to gabby in qc

Ms Lawand is on a vendetta for the Canadian Bullocks Corporation.

And now a word from the CBC's sponsors:

The Socialist Nuanced Power Corp. Liberal Party of Toronto.

Over to Willy, aka Bill Grahamm: Willy, is it true that Maude Barelow self-immolated on the doorstep of 24 Sussex Drive, Ottawa?

Willy said: mfff mfmmfm fffmmmm fffiigyff ;;;;;

More here:
Then, Ignatieff was asked in an interview with the Star whether the Israeli bombing raid on the Lebanese village of Qana, with its large loss of civilian life, including children, sparked his call for a ceasefire. (First accounts said 57 people died, half children. Human rights groups later amended the dead to 28, with 13 possibly missing.)

"It wasn't Qana," replied Ignatieff. "Qana was, frankly, inevitable, in a situation in which you have rocket-launchers within 100 yards of a civilian population. This is the nature of the war that's going on.

"This is the kind of dirty war you're in when you have to do this and I'm not losing sleep about that." (Italics, ours.)

Reaction was intense, especially on blogs devoted to the leadership.

"Wow," said one blogger to the Calgary Grit. (http://calgarygrit.blogspot.com) "If Harper had said that, (Bill) Graham would be purple-faced with rage at the PM's inhumanity. Maude Barlow would be self-immolating on the steps of 24 Sussex Drive. Lebanese-Canadians would be marching on every Tory riding office in the country. "

Some saw lack of judgment, as in: "It's a rookie political mistake that seriously puts into question his readiness to lead this country as prime minister."

Finally, there was the mess over his mother-in-law. Was she ill? Or wasn't she? Two weeks ago, the Star sought the views of the 11 leadership hopefuls on the Mideast, asking what they would have done differently than Harper and what, as PM, they would do now.

All commented. Only Ignatieff was unavailable. ...-
http://www.voy.com/178771/22818.html

After some trial & error I'm pretty sure this is her e-mail address. Fire away!

Christina_Lawand@cbc.ca

Tomax7, a consumer boycott of CBC advertisers isn't over-the-top, it's an appropriate course of action.

I'm not sure what the point in boycotting companies who advertise on the CBC would be. Since when has the CBC ever worried about ratings? They produce one POS program after another POS program. It hasn't mattered in a long time whether or not the CBC was producing programing that Canadians actually wanted to watch. I'm not really sure why a Western democracy like Canada would support a state sponsored television news channel, especially one who seems so dedicated to a particular political ideology.

1. Honda
2.A&W Restaurants
3.Ing Direct Banking Tel # 1-866-700-1763
McCains Foods

Continuing...
Names of companies advertising on CBC..

4.Canadian Tire
5.Pier1 Imports
6.Lilydale Foods...Lilydale.com
7.Mitsubishi-motors.ca

Do we all care enough to do something about this?
Do we want to force the CBC to be a balanced entity?
Why do Canadians keep sending MILLIONS of dollars each and every year to keep this corporation alive?

Not much use busting to get Lawand's email address, it'll be changed as we comment.Those twits don't want any drivel from us mere peons who pay for their manipulations of the facts. The day the Coservatives got elected they changed their modus operandi from prevention mode to defeat mode.They lost the prevention battle, the Conservatives won, now they're out to defeat them and get their buddies back in power and all will be happy in press gallery twitdom. Hate to burst their bubble but it ain't going to happen.

Posted by: EBD at August 6, 2006 04:08 PM:
"Tomax7, a consumer boycott of CBC advertisers isn't over-the-top, it's an appropriate course of action."

Disagree. Have you considered the effects on those who are employed by those companies if a boycott were to take place?

Who are the ones misrepresenting facts - McCain Foods et al.? I don't think so. Do we really want to cause economic losses to viable Canadian companies who employ Canadians (not necessarily exclusively Liberals & NDPers)?

Boycotts are b___dy effective, no large company wants any negativity associated with their product, even if it is related to advertising issues. However, it has to be sustained else it disappears quickly.

The left has no qualms in boycotting and the harm it does.

Gabby, the point of a boycott is to get these companies to stop funding the CBC with their advertising money. Your concern about loss of jobs is commendable, but, I believe, mistaken; an effective boycott in this case would just mean that the company would advertise elsewhere. And any company that pulled their ads from CBC would certainly get my business.

Posted by: skyclad at August 6, 2006 05:21 PM:
"The left has no qualms in boycotting and the harm it does."

Oh, good, then by all means let's emulate the left's tactics ...

As a matter of fact, why not join their ranks?

Would someone kindly post a list of e-mail addresses for cbc advertizers. Thank you in advance for your help. mel

Posted by: EBD at August 6, 2006 05:42 PM:
"the point of a boycott is to get these companies to stop funding the CBC with their advertising money."

If advertisers stop funding the CBC, who will be called upon to make up the difference? The public purse.

Getting the CBC to change its slant is the objective.

Does anyone remember Neil Macdonald's biased reports when he was in the ME? The Aspers commented on it and Macdonald was eventually shifted to Washington.

OK, so he's still biased ... maybe in some cases we just have to wait for natural attrition ... old age.

Again, Gabby, an effective boycott would merely result in companiespulling their ads from CBC. You are overstating the harm to companies, and underestimating the efficacy of simple consumer choice. We all have a right to not eat Lillydale chicken, or to shop somewhere other than Canadian Tire.

And don't forget that our money will be spent elsewhere, creating jobs.

"Getting the CBC to change its slant is the objective".

Getting rid of CBC is the objective. That or user pay.

Here's yet another example of CBC's slant towards Hesbollah. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2006/08/05/ottawa-protest.html

See the paragraph "Fighting started on July 12, when Hezbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid."

No mention of Hezbollah killing 8 Israeli soldiers and no mention that the Hezbollah started to lob rockets across the border.

Why is the CBC downplaying the provocation? Has the CBC been infiltrated with terrorists?

need to aim the boycott . . .pick one really well known target that has national implications.

That would be Canadian Tire . . . the gorilla of the CBC advertisers.

Pick the one, kill CBC.

http://www2.canadiantire.ca/CTenglish/telephone.html

General Customer Enquiries and Comments
Telephone: 1-800-387-8803 (English)
1-800-565-3356 (French)
Fax: 1-800-452-0770
Mail: Canadian Tire Customer Relations
Mail: P.O. Box 770, Stn. K
Mail: Toronto, ON M4P 2V8
E-mail: customerservice@canadiantire.ca

Anyone have a a name/email/tele for a Cdn Tire VP level exec who handle s ?? May as cut to the chase and get to a decision maker

EBD & Cheri:

OK, have it your way.

To each his/her own way of trying to change things for the better.

I'd rather change the entity that's showing bias (CBC et al.), rather than try to exercise some form of thought control through the agency of advertisers.

Gabby; looking at MSM here and abroad, I think it's safe to say you will never be rid of bias. Whether it is publicly funded or not. Why ask tax payers to pay for it?

Maybe CBC's loss (advertisers) will be bloggers gain? Or are we too smart for them? lol

catherine...
Has the CBC been infiltrated with terrorists?

a long time ago

All my comrades are fighting the terrorist in Afghanistan; maybe we should do the pre-deployment training before going over seas at CBC. Nahh! That would be a waste of ammo and tax payers money. We could always count on CBC to be a great terrorist supporter.

I posted this at the Shotgun a while ago.

Its about the same subject.

The CBC is so compromised with Marxists & Socialists, its pathetic.

If its not anti-Americanism circus , than its blame the Jews week. The shrill commentary says by empty headed bigots is proof enough.

Its long past time, they ever reflected "Canadian " views, if they ever did. Indeed it seems all they do is run down our roots, as a Nation, while flattering the barbarians. as well as making excuses for the savages trying to kill us all.

Time to pull the plug on this propaganda machine
Dedicated to a Marxist totalitarian system. Using the costume of Socialism to induce there suicide mission for Democracy. I am tired of it my money being blown for romanticize a system that killed over a 1000,000,000 million people. That goes for academia as well.

Fire the ingrates, & bamboozlers who shovel this manure into out homes every day.

A relic of Socialist liberalism gone to seed. I might add this 40% Canadian content is a farce as well. IT has NO place in a free society. Nor there Kangaroo court HRB’s. Its all used to meddle in our lives if not destroy our culture of individualism, to a collective hive mind.

In the end this organization of vacuity, is a product of mental instability, correlated with voracity. To spread their form of evil, as forbearance. It should be done away with pronto.

Frankly I have no problem with the existence of CBC but if it's not going to be relevant to the majority of Canadians, it's time to cut it off the taxpayer's bill. Let those who actually want to watch this drivel organize fundraisers or pay subscription fees. There is no reason we should all be paying for this biased tripe. Thanks for sharing yet another example.

Instead of boycotting the various advertisers, why not CC our emails to the CBC OMBUDSMAN to the various advertisers telling them of our displeasure and that mant are threatening to boycott the advertisers.

Respectful, truthful, balanced and letting the high priced execs do the dirty work.

With all due respect, Spinks, I believe you should have a problem. The CBC blatantly ignores its mandate. The rest of aren't allowed to ignore government guidelines with no penalties. Why does the CBC have privileged status?

Otherwise, I totally agree with your post!

Please get serious, people ... does anyone expect real journalists to accept the pronouncements of the PM as the real truth? Harper is quite full of poop if he expects all Canadians to buy into his view of events in the Middle East. There is another view. I'm happy to see CBC or CTV [anyone else?] challenge it. I am a big supporter of Israel, but let's get real. Please.

The biggest problem with the CBC, I think, is they are not motivated to be the best. They are on welfare and have not learned the meaning of competition and capitalism. They have been allowed to monopolize NHL and the Olympics which is not fair to the other networks. I also bet they aren't doing a great job of capitalizing on that monopoly, in other words they shouldn't be costing us a dime.

Andy, you're living in Neverland. CBC has the mandate to give balanced coverage of issues. It doesn't even try and hasn't for the past two plus decades I've been monitoring it.

FAIR criticism of the PM, with opposite opinions included, would be OK. The CBC REGULARLY omits important information and BLATANTLY manipulates images and comments. That is most definitely not fair. It most definitely doesn't fulfill CBC's mandate either. (Andy, that's what we all pay it to do.)

You say: "I am a big supporter of Israel. . . " I believe that's code for you're a lefty who's horning in. If you were really supportive of Israel, you'd be altogether appalled and incensed at its blatant disregard for the integrity and safety of Israel. Either that, or you really do support Israel, but are an idiot: only a stupid supporter of Israel would try to defend the CBC.

Re my above post, read ". . . at its [CBC's] blatant disregard. . ."

Even when the CBC does report that Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel they put their slant on it. It's not obvious bias, but it is bias all the same. This is part of a story found on the CBC website.

In the deadliest attack on Israel since fighting with Hezbollah militants began nearly a month ago, 15 Israelis were killed and dozens more wounded when a barrage of about 80 missiles hit towns across northern Israel on Sunday.

A rocket struck the northern town of Kfar Giladi where Israeli army reservists had gathered. Twelve people died in the attack and five others were wounded. At least two rockets directly hit homes, ambulance workers reported.

Hezbollah also sent rockets into the residential areas of Haifa, Israel's third-largest city. Three people were killed and more than 40 others were wounded in the attack.

On the other side of the border, an Israeli air strike on Monday morning killed six civilians and wounded two, all members of the same family in the village of Ghazzaniyeh

Note:
In the first paragraph "15 Israelis were killed".
In the second paragraph "12 people died".
In the thrid paragraph "3 people were killed".
In the fourth paragraph "killed six civilans"

Me thinks this person should be a fiction writer instead of a reporter for the CBC.
Oh wait........she is a fiction writer for the CBC!!!

Toll-Free # to complain to CBC re:Lawand is 1-866-306-4636. Get calling folks.Sammy

Andy no one expects the MSM to accept the pronouncements of any politician as true. However that does not give anyone the right to manipulate sound bites to reverse the message of any politician. Lets hear what PMSH has to say along with Jack Layton and Bill Graham and Gilles Duceppe. Media maniplulation of the kind that makes Gilles Duceppe say that he believes in a strong united Canada, Bill Graham say the homosexuallity is a sin or Jack Layton say that George Bush is the greates leader the world has ever seen is not good for any democracy.

My take on the MSM nowadays is that it is editorial propped up by factoids. The information I glean from it is that something has happened which may bear investigation by other means. Beyond that, their credibility is so utterly shot that it's really on a par with someone shouting "fire, fire" in the middle of the night. There's something that needs to be looked into but otherwise, no useable information.

I hear you lookout, but I like to hold out hope that the CBC is not beyond saving. Maybe I'm naive, but if they would start being relevant and get some diversity of thought in the newsroom to counter the groupthink which exists, it may (I stress may) be worth the money. Here in New Brunswick, the CBC is plumb awful and as biass as anywhere else in the country but there's glimmers of hope. We as owners just have to keep calling them on it.

Spinks, with all due respect, dream on! As I said, I've been monitoring the CBC's complete dereliction of their mandate for over 20 years. 20 years ago I used to file reports: absolutely no use. The CBC always denied ANY wrong doing and ignored all the painfully documented evidence. (Remember, there were no home computers then: I did everything longhand!) I finally gave up, and just started registering my complaints again when the blogs were available to provide pressure and massive documetation. But, has anyone seen any change in the CBC's response? Not on your life.

Now, Spinks, if you had even a friend who constantly lied about you, in order to ruin your reputation, who never admitted to any wrongdoing, and kept it up for decades, even if you "kept calling [him] on it", why would you want that person for your friend? I'm truly baffled by your plan here.

Call me an optimist although those at CBC in N.B. would probably call me a pest between e-mails I send them and my blog. I truly agree with you wholeheartedley but I'd still like to see an overhaul with management at CBC and someone get in there with some vision. Then we wouldn't be getting 18 part series on the northern wombat. The CBC could have a purpose but it's clearly going to have to be forced on them.

I hear you, Spinks. Yes, it would be a fine thing to have our tax $$ going to the original purpose of the CBC. If it truly represented the views of a cross section of the Canadian polity, I'd be all in favour too. But the chances of that happening seem remote, at best.

All the best to you, Spinks.

Hey lookout:

Have you ever stopped to consider that perhaps it's YOU that has a problem and not necessarily the CBC? See especially definition 2:

paranoia >noun 1 a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance. 2 unjustified suspicion and mistrust of others.

Perhaps you and the others here who constantly complain about the "RED MENACE" at the CBC and elsewhere are suffering a collective psychosis?

Despite it all, it's still a free country: You can keep yelling that "THE SKY IS FALLING" and the saner majority can keep ignoring you.

Andy, Spinks, Iberia and others who live in dream land, it appears that you readily settle for dishonesty, fraud, deceipt and gross mediocrity when it comes to getting your news. Wake up! The truth is not with the MSM. They have all been exposed! How, you ask? Bolggers, pure and simple. The truth is powerful and it sets you free. Keep watching the CBC and you will continue to go thru life steeped in confusion.

Whoa Bob, don't lump me into a "love the CBC" crowd. As they stand right now, they can close up shop and I wouldn't shed a single tear. I would simply prefer that we as the owners demand they do a better job as lookout pointed out and go back to their original mandate which wasn't to be a left-winged elitist network. If that can't be done then set it free and those who actually want to watch it can pay for it. It can still exist. You and I just shouldn't be paying for it.

Spinks, I couldn't agree with you more. I think Bob was just kidding. I believe he really likes the CBC and really dislikes "Bolggers"--bloggers to those of us whose heads are screwed on right(ly)!

However, if you and I read what he says and take it at face value, he's got it just about right! (I know you're not a "love the CBC" type.)

Spinks, you seem to be new here. Bob's what we call a troll: He only slinks by to make fun of us and hiss at us.

Have a great evening, Spinks!

Spinks, I agree that the CBC should sink or swim on its own wherewithall. Public funding for that commie outfit should be cut and right now.

So, Lookout, a troll eh? Would you might pointing out to me which bridge I live under so I can go home.

my hate is great for CBCpravda , I have to drive by the propaganda central on Memorial drive in Calgary. actually I worry as much about CTV(tass) who bear the banner of free enterprise but ascribe to the same socialist values as pravda,