You can toss a few other facts into the mix.

1) Ottawa Police PSS are now in charge of investigating the OPP situation where the officers allegedly stood by while a camera crew was beaten

2) Dalton McGuinty and Ottawa Mayor Bob Chiarelli are both staunch Liberals and Mayor Bob has supported Dalton by campaigning for him door to door.

3) The day the above investigation was announced, Ottawa Police Chief Vince Bevan resigned unexpectedly.

One would think the police force in the Premier's riding investigating an OPP case regarding the Caledonia standoff, a case McGuinty is in charge of, would be a conflict of interest.

Any other police PSS would have been better and acceptable.

"Why hasn't Justice Marshall slapped the OPP and Ontario Attorney General with contempt of court charges?"

Well, who wouldn't agree with that.

But shouldn't the band be charged first? Its executive members and those on the barricades are by far the most culpable. They are breaking the law. They are committing the act the judge wants ended. The cops and the AG are way behind in blame here.

Too bad the ghost of that gun-totin' Dudley George hangs over everything.

Perhaps Dalton McNutless who is allegedly in charge of this province should be held in Contempt by the good Judge. Perhaps when our next election comes around the people be the judge and throw these nutless bozos out of office.

There was only one way to stop this. Gather the troops (a combination of police and military), arrive en masse and arrest all the protestors. Those who respond with violence are to be shot. Dead.

Then negotiate.

*ahem*

Errr, Brian M. ... I'll agree with your posit that the police and troops are to start shooting people (in your words - Dead)when I have some sense that you are personally prepared to go onto the front lines and take care of the dirty work that you apparently are prepared to task others with...in short, until you are prepared to rise from your armchair and actually do something, maybe tone down your rhetoric just a touch. I'll cut you some slack and assume that you were talking a bit over the top when you made the suggestion.

But Kate makes a very good point. I have personally had to stand before a judge and defend why we did not enforce his court order in a timely manner. Although we had good reason not to do so, it was definitely an uncomfortable experience. And...the implicit threat was that we would be liable for contempt of court proceedings.

Those unfamiliar with contempt proceedings should examine the appeal provisions against such orders...essentially, there aren't many...

"Why hasn't Justice Marshall slapped the OPP and Ontario Attorney General with contempt of court charges?"

Perhaps he still has career ambitions, like Appeal Court, or Supreme Court. It's a rare public official nowadays that will bite the hand that promotes him.

Should he charge McGuinty, I'll start a write-in campaign to have him drafted as a Conservative candidate in the next federal election. And maybe the same for the order of Canada.

The Liberal government of Ontario is treating the people of Ontario with the contempt they deserve for voting Liberal in the first place.

The Ontario Provincial Police force should be disbanded and replaced by local police forces, they have proven far too incompetent to handle this situation. The actions of the OPP are an example of unprofessionalism not witnessed since the RCMP worked directly for the federal Liberal Party.

Be careful what you wish for. The seperation of judges from the enforcement arm of the law is a good thing as laid out in our laws and constitution.

"The Ontario Provincial Police force should be disbanded and replaced by local police forces, they have proven far too incompetent to handle this situation. The actions of the OPP are an example of unprofessionalism not witnessed since the RCMP worked directly for the federal Liberal Party. "
And who says they don't to this day? Or the OPP working directly for the Liberals in Ontario. Certainly the news that the Ottawa police are investigating smacks of that possibility. Not to mention the strange behaviour of the OPP during the heat of the crisis. A crisis that should never have ever taken place. Throw the bums off the land that does not belong to them and insist they take their fight to the right venue.
But they allowed this to happen and refused to do their jobs and refused to obey a court order.
You cannot tell me that their orders to defy a court order did not come directly from the Ontario government!
Governments who charge the constabularly, whether provincial or federal to act on their personal behalf to cover for their incompetence or criminal neglect while allowing the law breakers to continue to act criminally against those who voted them into office smacks very strongly of a police state. The waft of odorous Chretienism can be uncomfortably smelt!
The stink of the socialist state this country VERY nearly became and might still if the miscreants scrambling like rats to be the boss of the liberal party get their way.
And all while we have much bigger fish to fry.Those muderers in Lebanon care not for chick nor child. Only their blood lust to murder Israeli's. They wish this on all of us and Israel is on the front lines. They need our help and our concentration. Yet we have to put up with the criminal neglect that is the Ontario government.
We should have had our house in order long before now.
Personally, I think there will be a backlash against McGuinty and his henchmen when election time rolls around.
Anybody who has watched the drama play out in Caledonia cannot help but be on the residents side. Hell, it could be any one of our own neighbourhoods this is happening to.
If the Six Nations win this one ( and they are well on their way to doing just that) that swatch of land they claim all the way to the lake won't be out of the question as far as they are concerned. Just like the terrorists in the Middle East: Give 'em an inch and they take a mile ( or the land you sit on right out from under you).
We need government with backbone and brains enough to realize they speak for all of their people and we cannot forever be held hostage to the whims of criminals and thugs who insist on something that does not belong to them simply because they feel empowered by their 'victimism' and have been able to use it effectively to get what they should not have in the past.
This country absolutely must be for all or it will not be forever.

Dalton Mcguinty wears Caledonia like Jean Cretien wears helicopters. Those who politicize history (Ipperwash) become history.

Dalton Mcguinty wears Caledonia like Jean Cretien wears helicopters. Those who politicize history (Ipperwash) become history.

Dalton Mcguinty wears Caledonia like Jean Cretien wears helicopters. Those who politicize history (Ipperwash) become history.

the party that originally obtained the order would ordinarily move for contempt. the liberals will never again seek any injunctive relief against natives lest they get what they ostensibly sought.

Bruce, Brian said only to shoot those who use violence.

Thats far more considerate to those doing the arrwests than mcNutless saying to take whatever they throw at you and don't wear body armour.

He's making it easy on those doing the dirty work.

Anyway McNutless by not doing anything has caused other problems to flare like Indians in MB shutting rail lines to draw attention from how they cut off welfare from anyone who complains about corruption and the algonquins want all of eastern ontario back. They have been emboldened by ontarios weakness.

Asked similar question last week, Kate. I hope you get some answers. Specifically, my query was why the Courts can't sack the OPP and jam the RCMP in there. Or can they?

The Caledonia mayor is now calling for the resignation of Monte Kwinter for calling the occupation just a "symbolic" one; and pretending that life goes on as normal there. No problems. No mayhem.

Just announced on 900CHML that Gwen Boniface will be leaving the OPP and joining a newly formed Irish policing force--first rat to leave the sinking McLiar ship?

who down with OPP?

Here's a little advice for Justice Marshall...
....Resign now....
Don't you realize that you have no mandate, no authority, you are nothing but an appointed hack.
The truth is that mealy-mouthed idiots like yourself are a dime a dozen, this country is full of useless do-nothing appointed hacks like you.
Your rulings and opinions mean nothing...
...Get used to it...

Does anyone have an e-mail for Justice Marshall.

The judge needs to be reminded, just who it is that butters his bread.!

A perplexed Judge Marshall ponders: " Why his court order to remove rnegade blocaders from the now government property in Caledonia has not been enforced".

The short answer is because the police were ordered to essentially suspend the rule of law ( obviously)and enforce a political "policy" which was at odds with fundamental Peace Order and good government.... and the OPP brass did not have the civil responsibility to question or disobey such an unconstitutional order from their superiors. ( this is a truely freighting development that brings us into re-evaluate the police function and its public/constitutional accountability)

The longer answer is because Dolton McSquinty gave the AG that order and both he and the AG are a typical Liberal autocrats whose dogma allows them to belive they are above the law and not bound by the "POGG" ( Peace Order and Good Government) oath of office nor the civil needs of mortals.

As for Dildo and his jar head AG and his OPP brass meat puppet, contempt of court charges to not reflect the serious nature of his crime. He broke his oath of office...to uphild the rule of law and supply POGG to the beseiged citizens of Caledonia as they were held hostage to lawless renegades while police looked on powerless to acr because of their orders.

This is not time a government in Canada where elected leadership failed its constitutional oath to enforce the rule of law (POGG) and protect citizens from lawless anarchy...however it may be the first time that a government gets away with it. It appears that Dolton is ignoring the courts insitance of accountability and if the court presses the issue ( pismire that he is) he will probably throw some poor police jarhead to the wolves to satisfy the court's thirst for accounting.

Well said redux, and might I add that these clods operate within their bubble of impunity because of their confidence that a lapdog MSM will spare them the proctoscope. The MSM that gives them a pass is equally complicit.

Don't forget what happened to the police witness to the Dudley George Inquiry--killed in a hit and run accident--no suspects! The OPP know how far reaching the power of a corrupt Liberal government reach--they follow orders or they are dead meat.
The Judge is a stooge of McLiar--as is the leadership of the OPP Gwen Twoface! Now she is running off to Ireland--we will never find out what happened in Caledonia--the asses are covered--the msm, OPP and the Court have been silenced--onward Liberal criminal government

There's an interesting read on CWC's site about the OPP that almost got run over by a stolen police van.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/opp/standby.html

If those two OPP's who sat and watched don't get disciplined, then at the most I wouldn't be surprized if they don't get ostrasized by other memebers - failing to protect event their own.

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Agreed, the CaldoniaWakeupCall site is on par with National Inquirer in presentation. Calling people idiot's "Monte Kwinter is an IDIOT", usage of CAPITAL LETTERS throughout the site and the cover title of 'Gwen Boniface Resigns' is a bit over the top - she's sitting on a board to review Ireland's police force. She will stay on till October, hardly a resignation.

Offered to revamp his site n/c but ended up being told mine looks like a circa '96.

sniff sniff...thought it was more '98...

the OPP chief has just resigned, claims no link to Caledonia

"Monte Kwinter is an Idiot" is a direct quote from the local Mayor from TV last night.

I guess if I quote the mayor it makes you National Inquirer like - I present the news. The Mayor calling him an idiot is news and since I was on TV with her at the time she said it - I ran with it.

This week I ran 12 stories about daily crime in Caledonia - did 10 radio interviews - one TV – website was banned by OPP and now Gwen moves on. OPP also know that lawyers are reviewing our site for lawsuits and inquiry info. Our evidence of numerous crimes is being given to Judge Marshall on Monday.

You think McGuinty was going to allow this to continue until next election?

Great question, Kate: "why hasn't Justice Marshall slapped the OPP and Ontario Attorney General with contempt of court charges?" And it would seem it shouldn't be that hard to answer--except that no one seems to have the political will--aka balls--to answer it.

This question should have been answered months ago in the form of the Six Nations, the OPP, and the Ontario Attorney General being slapped with contempt of court THE FIRST TIME they refused to follow the judge's instructions.

'Must be, as many here have pointed out, that Justice David Marshall is just another complicit political appointee, even though we boast in Canada that the judiciary and the government are at arm's length from one another. Yeah, right. 'Pretty short arm.

I get the distinct impression that no one's in charge, that Ontario is in free fall under Duh-lton McGuilty. And, BTW, where the He** is the guy? I caught a glimpse of him via TV news at the Premiers' shindig this week, but other than that, he seems to have taken a permanent vacation at just the point when he should have been having a press conference to tell the Ontario taxpayers just what the heck is going on in Caledonia.

If not for SDA, Dust My Broom, Angry in the Great White North Blogs, to name a few of the very pertinent ones exposing what's been going on in Caledonia, I wouldn't have known from watching CBCPravda or reading most of the MSM that we have a MAJOR PROBLEM concerning freedom and democracy right under our noses.

Thanks, Kate, for continued coverage.

George :

OPP and the Court have been silenced--onward Liberal criminal government

An entirely correct assessment

Have you wondered why the Feds have not intervened?

Its not only because Harper has an aversion to interfering in Provincial affairs. He's a firm advocate of provincial rights. Most Albertans are.

No, it comes down to the old saying: Give them enough rope.....

I think Harper is just letting Socialism run its vigilant course until no one in Ontario cannot but see how dangerous & weak these fools are.

How inherently unequal if not prejudiced towards the victims, this polity is. If not how far from any democratic norms these corrupt coffin sellers have gone from.

There ideology of enforced Political correctness by gender, race, sexual preference, social position or party affiliation. Is driving every nuance , as they put it of there government.

Disaster is the only outcome of this made up caste system. As they run out of producers to loot. They become more like Zimbabwe by the day.
With Natives, replacing Black land thieves. With Dalton Mcguinty as the major cheer leader of inequality in the name of equality.

I believe Harpers strategy is a part of Toronto as well as they become the communist poster city of gun battles & other outrages. A typical banana republic. Ignore & deflect. Unfortunately for the Socialists, there ideals have born sickly fruit, that has now fallen onto them.

Alkies, drug addicts, bums & the insane, that make up a city with in a city. Have created a climate of Anarchy, Lawlessness. Gangs taking over. Companies moving out of the city core. The town smelling like an open toilet. The lack of tourists because of park sleeping homeless people. Who are not above even wiping there butts after a dump in the flower beds in public.

People not going to the core businesses anymore. Shooting right in crowds. Frightened to even shop . Yet these limousine liberals live in gated communities.

Its only a matter of time before they collapse. Do not be surprised if these saints of Socialism, criminals & bums (The elite of Marxism thinks of them & criminals as almost sacrosanct victims of the bourgeoisie middle class) become even more strident in their demands for free drugs & booze . After all they get free bleach & needles. The next step in Liberal lefty evolution is for society to enable them for life to be tranquillized. To allow support there habits with crime.

Than Harper can come in after other incidents start, because of Ontario’s timidity in dealing with what will become a National problem.

Let Ontario stew, in its socialist heaven until even they call in the Calvary. Out of desperation if not fear of these morons with none policies with love a thug minds.

As for the OPP . They are a dead police force. It happened when hey allowed 3 officers from another force to be beat up while they did nothing.

No Police officer in North America will have anything to do with them. They are now so out of the loop, no other force will release information to them. They have lost any credibility & trust me . Are seen as political servants of a corrupt regime. To other police it becomes a matter of them thinking of politics before policing. They lose the right to be Peace officers, when the public who pays them becomes the enemy for political chicanery. It will take years but like Alberta s old Provincial police. The OPP will be disbanded eventually.

They are not police, not even close. Any force that becomes this aligned with a set of bigoted of orders, is finished as a public order organization. They have no ones trust including every North American police department.

When you become a political hooker of any party. Your objectivity is most certainly suspect. When citizens see the police are not on there side anymore, but only for political hacks. You have lost the Rule of Law.

Just some observations of my own.

An addendum to my last post: I wrote the CBC Ombudsman a few weeks ago (okay, okay, I know I'm a bear for punishment) to ask why the CBC had barely covered what's been going in Caledonia, and still haven't heard from him.

Given that he's a former CBC employee and a former instructor/professor in Ryerson's Journalism (sic) program, it's a foregone conclusion that I'm either likely not to hear from him or that his answer, like the answer to Kate's question above, will be a non-answer.

If he were to be honest he'd have to sell out his bosses, he'd have to bite the hand that feeds him, and as he's just moved into a new house (I know, because he told me that's why it had taken him so long to answer an earlier question I'd asked about Julie Van Dusen), it's not too likely he's going to do either any time soon.

Same old, same old. Moral pygmies, every one.

Tomax7 sez:"There's an interesting read on CWC's site about the OPP that almost got run over by a stolen police van.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/opp/standby.html

If those two OPP's who sat and watched don't get disciplined, then at the most I wouldn't be surprized if they don't get ostrasized by other memebers"

The RCMP are now complicit in the crime for arbitrarily refusing to accept/investigate a complaint. So in this eye witness account ( and it appears that they have sworn an official deposition on the incident that is filed with police administration) we have 4 OPP and a local RCMP dispatch officer being complicit in breach of office, obstruction, aiding and abetting the escape of felons in question and add conspiracy to undermine fundamental justice to the charge list.

There is no doubt in my mind that the political power and untouchability of the current police function in Ontario will have the juice to silence or discredit these witnesses and resist any investigation into this very grave crime by police.

Not to scare anyone in Ontario but the backroom policy process that covers police from accountability to the law is a hallmark trait of the corrupt police state.

Serious review of police function acountability and the government's actions in directing them to abandon their duty has to take place....John Tory have you the balls to step up to the plate on this one? Has any government official or politician have the guts to challenge the unaccountability or unconstitutionality of the new politicized police function and their masive government lobby machinery?

The odds are Tory hasn't the guts to make this an election issue because he fears the political repercussions from the entrenched police political regime more than he does the backlash from outraged citizens.

I'm unaware of any other free constitutional democracy where the police function is as unaccountable as in Canada...and Ontario particularly. Ten again the legislative trend towards expanded unilateral police powers leaves us open to this.

Here's another intersting development...

Ottawa's Police Chief Vince Bevan Steps Down - a man with good morals announces his retirement on the same day his police force is announced to be investigating the OPP affair in Caledonia (comment from Officially Screwed).

http://cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=1&nid=41172

Has anyone warned Ireland of impending ineptness?

As a resident of Ontario this Calodonia mess has serioua ramifications. 1) a planned major hydro transmission line to the U.S. happens to cross the "so-called disputed land"- it has for the time been put on hold to resolve the problem - Ontario is on the edge of rolling blackouts - this line is need now! 2)Algonquins now claim all lands south of Ottawa River from Hawksberry to Kempville and from Algonquin Park to St.Lawrence. Ottawa is planning a billion light rail which needs a portion of "Disputed" land to proceed. May delay the construction or cause detour and detour costs.

...reminds me of the development plans for upgrading the highway from Lloydminister to Grand Centre/Cold Lake a while years ago.

It was to go through Frog Lake Reserve, but the locals wanted I think a $1 million per mile lease payment, so Klein said screw it and routed the highway upgrade around the reserve.

Love it!

Poor suckers, they could have had a nicely paved road through their reserve, but stuck with gravel and dirt roads, unless they've paved it since the 90's.

Ode to the OPP

There ain't nobody here but us chickens
There ain't nobody here at all
so quiet yourself and stop that fuss
there ain't nobody here but us
we chickens tryin' to sleep, and you butt in
and hobble hobble hobble hobble it's a sin

Gwen Boniface is on her way to the Emerald Isle. I guess that's far enough away that no one has heard of Caledonia.

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/07/boniface-bails.html

Reading all of the above, and reflecting on the fact that the premier/OPP/provincial cabinet/provincial justice minister do not have the power to vacate a court order, I was just wondering:

Are all the good Lefties finally clear about why the Liberals loooove gun control? Cops and politicians don't have to be accountable if they have ALL the guns. Check out Lebanon ferinstance.

RD, that would be "call in the cavalry" not the "calvary", Calvary is the name of the hill where the crucifixion took place.

One current bonus this country has is the several thousand toughened young soldiers who will come home from Afghanistan with major combat experience. Good people to have around in any country, certainly the sort of professionals required to deal with armed mobs challenging fundamental rule of law.

Thanks, calgarian. Excellent point that this city slicker would never have thought. But, now that I do, I agree and am glad.

And they have been fighting terrorists, so they should be able to handle the ones in caledonia.

calgarian:

Thanks . Being a Christian I already knew this little fact. Golgotha is the Aramaic word for the very same .
A spelling error is only a spelling
error. Not a misleading Transience of terminology. Nor an indication of heresy. (Rolling eye's) (O:}.

Free, that would be "Caledonia" not "caledonia", caledonia is the name of the hill where haggis was first concoted.

Cops and politicians don't have to be accountable if they have ALL the guns

Another thought to consider is that a third group - the really, truly bad guys - will always have guns too no matter what the law is.

Nanny state lefties can't solve that.

Has anyone warned Ireland of impending ineptness?

She'll thrive there. Trust me on that. Been there. Anti-American, nanny state and smugly socialist.

well well well.

vince bevan who was in charge of the deplorably and uniquely incompetant bernardo-homolka investigation has now exited from ottawa.

I used to walk my dog past the bernardo rented house. it wasnt a big place, an avg single story raised bungalow.

the cops went over it for some 6 months as I recall. plenty of time to find the infamous tape tucked into a lite fixture.

but the cops were so obsessed with cream coloured camaros they missed the favorite hinding spot for contraband.

oh, and the car in bernardos driveway? a silver toyota.

so vince bevan is suddenly OUT as ottawa chief.

as far as the caledonia thing, I read the writeup about the near miss involving the opp officer and his audience/compatriots. ya gotta sympathize with the bell tech guy forced to hitail and leave his tools behind.

Ive poured over many of the CWC pages and am shocked by the events there. a picture's worth 1000 words. I like the part about opp guarding 'charcoal'.

Bruce:
"when I have some sense that you are personally prepared to go onto the front lines and take care of the dirty work that you apparently are prepared to task others with".

You must rid yourself of this irredeemably specious argument. Other versions are: the chicken-hawk fallacy that the President must not wage war unless he himself goes into the battlefield; you are not justified in supporing a war unless you are prepared to "send your son or daughter" (which of course is an impossibility because if minors they aren't accepted, if adults, not under the parents' authority).

What about this one: you must not criticize government unless you are prepared to run for office.

Remember cops choose that occupation with all its attendant risks.

U.S. must protect blacks, poor in wake of Katrina: UN panel

CBCpravda continues the antiUS rhetoric.

No government in Canada is allowed to direct the police on how to enforce the law. I have no doubt that it probably goes on behind the scenes, but it's supposed to be a no-no.

Let me just mention that normal policing in situations like this is not too difficult.

No one has to move in shooting to kill, or ordering to disperse under the threat of death.

Normally, one would move various police units into positions with water cannons and if necessary, rubber bullets.

The crowd would be ordered to disperse, and if they did not do so, they would be assaulted with these instruments of non-lethal force, backed up with advancing police units carrying shields, night sticks, and other instruments of persuasion. Dogs on leashes can be used to threaten. Tear gas projectiles may be fired into the crowd.

Once some deterioration of the offending aggregate has occurred, various aggressive members are put into handcuffs and taken in for questioning, charges of disturbing the peace, being a public nuisance, etc., etc.

After some leaders have been forced to cool their heels in jail off and on, eventually people start being more cooperative in the direction of a political settlement.

I only mention all this because the posts I have read here suggest that either some military contingent prepared for combat move in, or there is little anyone can do.

In actual fact, just dealing with normal obstinate opposition and riot factors lend themselves to a wide contingent of civilian policing measures that do not have to be escalated to the level of lethal force under most circumstances.

If the police have not responded in some manner such as I have discussed, then they simply must not have the slightest clue about what they are doing.

Incidentally, one last aside before anyone accuses me of racism -- I'm part Cherokee.

Canada is an embarassment. A city is under seige and we have done nothing. I agree with Eric. This is now becoming a failure of leadership on Harper's part. Send out the military and bang some heads.

KRB says, "No government in Canada is allowed to direct the police on how to enforce the law. I have no doubt that it probably goes on behind the scenes, but it's supposed to be a no-no."

It seems that all sorts of things that "are supposed to be a no-no" go on in Canada all the time, with Caledonia at the moment taking the lead in misdemeanours.

Spokesman Janie is in mourning; Boniface was not blind, Janie says. (from cnews)

Here is the jaw-dropper:

"aboriginals don't recognize Canadian law"

Rebellion Janie says is coming. Shades of Louis Riel. ...-

Janie Jamieson, spokesperson for the aboriginals occupying the subdivision, said Boniface understood the dynamics of the dispute and didn't enforce the law blindly by forcibly evicting protesters who remain at the site.

"It's a shame," Jamieson said. "She seemed really dedicated to having patience and letting the land issue be resolved. Hopefully the next person will have the same peaceful resolve she had."

A new commissioner who fails to understand that aboriginals don't recognize Canadian law could be risking rebellion across the country from those who support the occupation, Jamieson added.

Kwinter says: the Irish government made her an offer she couldn't refuse.

Kwinter knows the parlance of the Sopranos/Librano$. ...-

Surely you realize that Peterson just grabbed a brown envelope (stuffed full-0-cash) and bugged out, right?

Greg (outside Dallas);

First concrete subjection I have heard, for a plan of action. Nice catch Greg.

That avoids guns outside, of the fact the natives may use them. Why this is not being employed to administer the Court order, is anyone's guess. Its sounds to sensible for political types.

I don't think they have the guts or will do so. At heart there appeasers & dithers. There none actions will only increase the level of aggression.

If there is a rebellion or the start of one. Will that not nullify ALL there treaties? It will be day one again for them, & no one will be in a mood for concessions. There playing a dangerous game.

I wonder. Do they honestly think they can win?

As for the moon bat. How in the seven hells of Dante, do you blame this on Harper instead of your Socialist loser flake Dalton Mcguinty . Who is Premier of your blighted (With imbeciles of the left) Province? Supposedly he’s the top gun in this show, & responsible for Law & Order. In the Province of Ontario. Is that not why you voted for him?

How does Harper fit into that? Why is this his fault? More mushy thinking from the left leaning nabobs of confusion.

Your man has aggravated this situation out of control because of his own fears. He is projecting onto all of you including the debased OPP.

His inaction bisected by trembling vacillating dogmas, that do not work in the REAL world. Only in Marxist land, where the poppies never stop growing with the blood of the persecuted..

Slightly O/T: Nealenews - Mounties admit: 'We're outgunned'
RCMP constables go public with plea for more firepower.

Not sure that's a good thing to let the bad guys in on... but I certainly understand their frustration. As I'm sure those in Caledonia do and a good many other Canadian Citizens.

I read a travel article in the Edmonton Journal last Saturday by Dave Halliday; about RVing in the United States and the question of personal safety in regards to illegal immigrants in the desert. Apparently there is very little chance that they will bother campers because they think most are U.S. Citizens and likely to be armed.

Imagine that.

It's good Boniface is gone. Evidently blood is thicker than the tin badge she wore.

Too bad it isn't as easy to get rid of Zaccardelli. Or is it? I read on the CWC website that the RCMP were called and refused to come when they found out it was happening in Calledonia.

Faramir, There is no legal way for the Govt of Canada to deploy the military to this situation or any situation within a provincial boundry without a request coming from the respective provincial govt. Same goes with a natural disaster. There is a clear seperation of powers regarding this. The ice storms ,Oaka, forest fires and floods all the assistance provided by the CF was first requested. Its the law.

That's federalism, Ken, not separation of powers.

Bruce, sorry to take so long to respond. Its been a long day...

Just because I chose not to be a peace officer or a member of the military doesn't preclude me from having an opinion. Also, I fully support all of our police forces despite the bad wrap that the OPP is getting in this situation.

My thoughts were not 'rhetoric' but simply an alternative view of how many disputes should be handled - Caledonia just one among them.

I want the people of Caledonia - in this instance - to be relieved of the burden of what amounts to terrorism (possibly an overstatement, I'm not there). If that entails eliminating the violent offenders (yes, I did earlier indicate the violent ones) then so be it.

As far as leaving my armchair to do the dirty work, you may be surprised to know that it would not - truly - bother me at all. When I was imprisoned for doing so because of our inability to protect ourselves or our family or property, well, that would bother me.

OT

Shooting at a Jewish center in Seattle.

1 woman dead - 5 or 6 others shot.

Perp is a Pakistani muslim.

... err ... don't you mean the victim was a Pakistani muslim?

Not unless you're doing MSM-speak - the Pakistani Muslim was the shooter, the Jewish ladies were on the receiving end.

Mississauga Matt,

Yes, yes ... it was Bush's fault.

Why would a peace loving person (allegedly) commit murder?

methinks the CWC folks give themselves undue credit for boniface's departure which is slated for autumn.

business and political decisions are rarely for a single reason. the trick naturally is to please the maximum and displease the minimum, thus numerous reasons pro and con exist.

as with boniface. lots of reasons to bug out.

bottom line is, in a few short months that WORSE than useless copette is GONE from this side of the atlantic.

generally single objective actions are found in the personal realm. oftentimes vendetta stuff. just look to the ME or ireland for a host of examples and the net results of letting emotion blind the actors.

does anyone know the surface mail address for boniface's upcoming employer? I want a mail in campaign to precede her arrival sothe irish are 'properly aprised' of her performance, not just the cv stuff.

ought to be enough time to pull it off. hundreds of letters arriving, amnasty (note the spelling) international style.

what a goddam useless &^$%^%$. responsibility for the severity of caledonia rests with HER for either letting her sympathies for natives cloud her actions or being too SPINELESS in the face of the political bosses to shove it back in their laps.

Regarding whether Harper could send in troops without a request from McGuilty:

The two most relevant examples from Canadian history are the Winnipeg General Strike, and the October Crisis. In the case of the Winnipeg strike, the Mounties were called in. This makes for an interesting call, as the Mounties are nominally a federal force, but in reality, provided much of the regular police activity outside of Winnipeg, just as the OPP and QPP do outside the major cities of Ontario and Quebec. So were they a federal force, or a provincial one?

In the October Crisis, Trudeau met with Bourassa early on, and they agreed to take action jointly. After Laporte was kidnapped, Bourassa received a letter from him, pleading for his (Laporte's) life. A few days later, he requested assistance from the Army. The next day, Trudeau invoked the War Measures Act.

(A personal aside - as a 14 year old boy at the time, I was impressed. To me, this was how you dealt with treasonous violence; swiftly and massively. You don't go for half measures or ask for negotiations - you go in fast, strong, and determined. And the separatists learned the lesson pretty fast. I don't agree with any of the ideas of the PQ or the Bloc, but they are pursuing their goals through the democratic process, not by trying to kill people. As a classic liberal, I respect their right to try for change through the process, although as a Montreal born anglophone, I will do everything in my power to thwart it. End of digression)

So, anyone trying to lay blame on Harper here is barking up the wrong tree. Until McGuilty requests federal support, precedent says Harper cannot go ahead.

Now, an interesting case would be if some of the other native complaints also resulted in violence, ignoring court orders, etc., in, say, two other provinces besides Ontario. At what point then might the federal government say "Our country is under attack", and be in position to take measures unilaterally? The War Measures Act allows them to do so under even the "apprehension of insurrection", which technically does not require any specific overt act.

So, if as has been posited on this blog a few times, natives in BC, Quebec, and Manitoba, as well as the Caledonian band, start to act more violently, Harper might have the *legal* authority to take action on his own. However, depending on the severity of the natives' actions, and of course, whether they even get mentioned in the MSM, such a course might be political suicide.

I actually blogged this a couple of days prior.

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/07/fabric-of-democracy-falls-to-pieces.html

Excerpt:

What kind of political interference was there, and from whom, if the OPP weren't acting of their own volition? For if it was entirely the OPP's idea to allow lawlessness to reign and allow crime to pay and disregard the Charter of Rights and Freedoms's imperative of equality under and before the law, the OPP would be in more immediate and more serious trouble. But it isn't. Why not? What about the Liberal government of Dalton McGuinty of Ontario? What is their involvement in this terrible calamity?

You know, the Tory government of Mike Harris never allowed this sort of thing to happen. They acted properly, upholding the rule of law and the Charter... without regard for any racial or ancestral differences of anyone whatsoever. The Tories treated everyone equally. The Liberals don't.

sooooo - after totally screwing things up for the front line OPP, Boniface is now leaving for an "opportunity she couldn't refuse".

How many more upper level people are going to do (or be forced to do) similar in both the OPP and the Liberal Government of Ontario.

The search is on Canada-wide for her replacement now. How difficult is it going to be to find an aboriginal, bilingual, politically astute, female where all of these factors will far outweigh sound policing ability. Perhaps the mouthpiece for the first nations in Caledonia has her application in the mill.

Similarly the search is on in Ottawa for a new Chief of Police and it seems that being bilingual is much more important than are policing abilities.

We can't even solve the Caledonia issue and now there will be some 13,000 citizens of convenience arriving in Montreal/Toronto areas - many of whom will no doubt be looking for "settlement services".

It is time to get power back into the hands of the majority and out of the hands of the cohesive minority.

Mississauga Matt posted at 11:20 PM on July 28, 2006:

"OT

"Shooting at a Jewish center in Seattle.

"1 woman dead - 5 or 6 others shot.

"Perp is a Pakistani muslim [sic]." (Muslim needs a capital letter, MM...:-)

Listening to the 9:00 a.m. news on CBC radio this morning, the shooting was reported with one pertinent piece of information left out. The reporter said that a man entered the Jewish Centre and announced that he was angry at Israel, and then began shooting.

No mention of the shooter's being Muslim.

IMO this is grossly irresponsible reporting, censorship, in fact. If there was a widespread backlash against Muslims either here or in the U.S., with violence against them or discrimination, I could PERHAPS understand that the CBC might want to avoid an incitement to violence against them. As there hasn't, however, been any such backlash, the only reason I can see for the CBC to leave out the fact that the gunman was Muslim is their ongoing anti-Israel bias. (You can be sure that if the gunman had been Jewish and had shot five or six Muslims because he was mad at, say, Hezbollah, the CBC would have reported every last detail of the incident.)

Do I send the CBC yet another complaint? There doesn't seem to be enough time in the day...

Who will rid us of this sorry and arrogant excuse for a broadcaster, which doesnt' seem to know how to observe even the basic rudiments of unbiased reportage? I've got girls to put through universtiy and could use my CBC tax contribution to help defray those costs.

I think Harper is just letting Socialism run its vigilant course until no one in Ontario cannot but see how dangerous & weak these fools are.

Revnant Dream - Awesome comment. I quoted you on my site & linked to Kate's post.

Thanks for your interest in my post. (O:}

Looked your site over. I don't know how you folks do such a good job setting these Blogs up. I just know it takes time & commitment, if not a dash of talent.

People like you & Kate are making a difference in this Nation, more than you think.

Your not only stirring up the MSM, but allowing millions to express themselves. Thus are birthed new communities sharing there individual lives & vision with others.

As I have said before. We now have a medium that not only has archived the whole of human Knowledge . At the call of any Man or Women with a computer. We as well have the living experience, counted in billions of years of lives lived in ,real time.

Keep up the good work . This is true Democracy at its best.

Calgary Clipper -- Read pierre the pigs charter of freedom and rights, it very effectively gives power to the government of the day to override the majority in favor of the minority, legally. We can hardly be called a democratic Country as long as it exists in its present form.

So to recap,

Various and sundry characters trespass on private property and refuse to leave.

Property owner goes to court to obtain an order to have the trespassers evicted. Judge issues said order.

Police attempt to enforce court order but fall back when additional trespassers arrive.

Judge starts asking why his order has not been enforced.

Government buys out private property owner with taxpayers money. New owner (us?) does not appear to care that said property was illegally occupied at time of sale.

Governnment lawyers tells judge that his original order is void because the original petitioner has no standing. New owner is apparenty not interested in removing trespassers.

Neighbours to said private property are upset as trespassers openly commit criminal code offenses and ignore local ordinances. Local police and bylaw officers seem incapable of dealing with said violations. New owner is arranging to buy out neighbours (with our money?) to reduce complaints.

At this point in time, what do we expect the judge to really do? If we expect the rule of law to be enforced, the ballot box is where it will have to start.

Don't blame the judge. He knows that unless he personally arrests police and politicians that disobey courts orders it will not happen.
(I grew up in the Cayuga area - down the Grand River from Caledonia - know many people in Caledonia and a few on the reserve)
Marshall was a good MD when I was a little kid and I am sure he is a good judge as well.

The violence and threats continue daily and won't stop until either the OPP or RCMP take action to remove the natives.
One thing almost for sure - OPP will be gone from the area once their contract is up and the town will have regional police again.

I just know it takes time & commitment, if not a dash of talent.

Revnant Dream, thanks. I am honoured to be placed in the same category as Kate. However, she is one of the original icons of Conservative blogging (along with others like Steve Janke, Stephen Taylor, etc. The rest of us are just stumbling and learning along the way. In my case, it takes passion and perhaps a bit of addiction. ;)

Kevin, why do we have the OPP anyway? Does anyone know if any other province has its own police force?

Boniface has lammed out for Ireland; she is already there. ...-

Gwen Boniface was invisible as OPP commissioner

Excerpt:

"Actually, she's already there [Ireland] and will be working with former Boston Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole and former Minneapolis Police Chief Robert Olson in Dublin."

http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13359.10

"Commissioner Boniface is, by invitation, a member of the First Nations Chiefs of Police."
http://www.opp.ca/Organization/Commissioner/index.htm

Boniface has the Lieberals "Foundations" war chest to thank, for helping get her ass outa Dodge.

Laundered Lieberal loot winding its way around the globe, comes in handy. Used to extricate inept Liberals from their own abyss.

Quote: Does anyone know if any other province has its own police force?

The answer, my dear, is the QPP in Quebec. OF COURSE they do... lol (insert socialist / separatist / moonbat-province punchline here)

Thanks, Brad. ;)

Kevin mentioned the contract with the OPP. When will that be finished? I'll bet they can't wait either.

Tory Tory calls for a Gomery Inquiry. Tri-Chairmen to be: PetersonRaeFontaine. Location: UN HQ, New York, New York.

Muffins and Kofi, free. Washrooms courtesy Maurice Kyoto Strong/AdScam Martin.

Report to be final as of 22 January, 2015.

Fecking ridiculous suggestion by Tory Tory. ...-

"Tory says the government should call an inquiry into the handling of the occupation."
(CP)

Joanne asked why we have the OPP.

It's a big province with a lot of small communities. Rather than each community having its own police, which would be expensive and wasteful, we have the OPP outside of major cities.

I'm suprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that Justice Marshall was an unsuccessful Provincial Liberal candidate in several Ontario provincial elections in the late seventies and early eighties. It might be a clue as to why he continues his dog and pony show every couple of weeks with no real conclusions. Is Justice Marshall playing fast and loose with his old Liberal cronies? Seems to me at this point in time it is the only logical explanation that can explain why the Judge has had all parties in court four times, and nothing has happened.

Kevin, thanks. That makes sense.

Proud Canadian - Judge Marshall should cross the floor; and I'm not talking about his courtroom.

Judge Marshall is on his own. We have a government that will not back him up. The government promises Ken Hill a casino if they quiet deal in illegal acts, like guns, smokes and ECT. So Ken Hill wanted to put a casino on this property, he was turned down and mad. He hired the warriors and then all hell broke loose.

There may be a big, stinking rat smell here.

The new OPP building is situated on land "given" to the Ontario Realty Corp., by the town.

The site abuts directly onto a Roman Catholic cemetery which has been in use/still is for 100-150 years+.

It is unlikely to be an Indian burial ground. Is there a cover-up?

This is fishy/rat smelly. ...-

Native burial site costing Prescott big bucks

By NICK GARDINER

Staff Writer

PRESCOTT -- The Fort Town appears to be on the hook for more than $30,000 in cost overruns because of the June discovery of a native burial site adjacent to the construction site for a new OPP station.

Prescott's chief administrative officer Robert Haller said the bill, which would cost a one per cent tax increase to pay, is for archeology surveys and analyses of bone fragments discovered in a nearby mound of earth being used to provide fill for the Development Drive project just north of Highway 401.

Haller said the costly analysis is mandated under the Ontario Cemeteries Act and goes far beyond the requests of the Mohawk Council of Chiefs, which he said engaged in "very co-operative negotiations" on preserving and protecting the one-acre burial ground.

"(The chiefs) are not requesting us to screen all the soil that was removed and to do an analysis of the bones," said Haller.

"Their preference is to restore the property as quickly as possible and with as little amount of disturbance as necessary."

While the province regulates the procedures for restoring an ancient burial ground, it does nothing to help with the cost, he said.

"The unfortunate part is there is absolutely no assistance. And we're paying the lower level. It's even more costly for (contractor) Guy Saumure and Sons."...- more
http://newsfeed.recorder.ca/cgi-bin/LiveIQue.acgi$rec=18848

This was posted in Caledonia Wakeup Call

July 28, 2006.

Canadian Hydro Developers Inc.
Suite 500, 1324-17th Ave. SW
Calgary, Alberta T7T 5S8

Attention: Ms. Ann Hughes, Executive Vice-President & Kent Brown, Chief Financial Officer

Notice of Seizure by Six Nations Women Title Holders of "Melancthon Wind Farm" illegally built on "Haldimand Tract" at the source of the Grand River (Ontario Canada)

Dear Sirs:

According to Wampum 44 of our constitution, the Kaianereh'ko:wa/Great Law, the women are the title holders of our land. Title to our land is vested in the people through the women. We sent Canadian Hydro Developers Inc. a notice on February 6, 2006, objecting to your violation of our constitutional jurisdiction on our land known as the "Haldimand Tract". Your company built 50 windmills on our land to create energy for the non-native market. Your incursion is also a violation of international law.

Canadian Hydro Developers never consulted us nor asked us, the title holders, for our consent to enter our land and develop your wind mill project on Kanion'ke:haka territory. You were put on notice in November 2005 to discuss this project with the land owners even before you started construction. It is not only unsurrendered land, but according to our constitution it cannot be sold.

The windmills on our land are now attached to the soil. According to law they become part of the land. They cannot be removed. As the owners of the land we are now the owners of the windmills.

We would be glad to meet with you to discuss the full transfer of the project over to us since we now own it. We wish to explain the interests of the Six Nations people on the Indigenous territory in question so that you will fully understand our position. Also, we would like to inform you on the protocols and procedures required to deal with us on a nation-to-nation basis in the future.

Yours truly,

Kahentinetha /s/ ________________

Katenies /s/ ___________________

Cc: All media; Dalton McGuinty, Premier, Ontario, Queen's Park, Toronto Ontario M7A 1A1; Hon. Stephen Harper, Prime Minister, Government of Canada, Ottawa, Canada; Toronto Stock Exchange; Montreal Stock Exchange; New York Stock Exchange; Tokyo Stock Exchange; London Stock Exchange; Hong Kong Stock Exchange; Zurich Stock Exchange; Six Nations Confederacy Chiefs; and so on...

It's obvious where this is going. Ownership of the four winds will soon be given over to the natives once and for all.

McGuinty said he’s also encouraged by tests that shows corn can be burned to produce electricity.

“Why isn’t Ontario Power Generation burning corn instead of coal?” he asked.
via london free press ...-

Why are the indians burning tires at Caledonia, McGuinty?

This idiot, McGuinty, is the Premier of Ontario. As enough said says: enough. ...-