Obviously , Karl dug up some dirt on Fitz-baby.

True. Bad day for the lefties:

Kennedy admits guilt re driving under the influence.

Bush lands unexpectedly in Iraq.

Fitzmas is cancelled!

True. Bad day for the lefties:

1 Kennedy admits guilt re driving under the influence.

2 Bush lands unexpectedly in Iraq. )Leaving the press waiting in Camp David!)

3 Fitzmas is cancelled and Rove walks.

Yup. I'd say the suicide hotlines are burning up today.

The Left love this. Bush sneaking into Baghdad afraid to tell even the Iraqi president he was coming. Afraid to go outside the green zone. This further demonstrates how meagre and hollow his 'victory' is.

Rove is indeed a lucky man. However, most of the stench on this one seems to be coming from Cheney's office. I don't think Cheney has been cleared of anything. Libby is fried, he will work a deal with Fitz. Fitz knows that Libby will just be pardoned at the eleventh hour by Bush.
Don't forget Abramoff is still singing to the prosecutor.

Fitzmas has been cancelled. There will be no Rove frogmarch. I can hear a great wailing and gnashing of teeth.

steved: Dressing Bush's visit to Iraq as cowardice will not convince anyone. If people like you had supported the Iraqi people from the beginning, the situation would be a hell of a lot better. Cheney didn't do anything wrong. Libby has different recollections of some conversations than others and will not be convicted.

Most of this is indeed good news if you're a Republican.

Then again the president follows the same protocal to visit Baghdad as he would to enter a war zone -- three years after the "end of major combat" and three-years-and-change after the "liberation" of Iraq?

Three years. 2,000-plus U.S. lives. Untold Iraqi civilians dead. And the president needs to sneak into a country that once once a U.S. ally.

At least his right-hand-man isn't a proven criminal.

Ah, the sweet smell of success!

Most of this is indeed good news if you're a Republican.

Then again the president follows the same protocal to visit Baghdad as he would to enter a war zone -- three years after the "end of major combat" and three-years-and-change after the "liberation" of Iraq?

Three years. 2,000-plus U.S. lives lost. Untold Iraqi civilians dead. And the president needs to sneak into a country that once once a U.S. ally.

At least his right-hand-man isn't a proven criminal.

Ah, the sweet smell of success!

The sad thing for Americans is there is no real alternative to the poor/anti constitutionalist federal administration. Reagan was the last good leader they had but he was stuck with a devolved party corrupted by lobby patronage and battling the powerful military-security bureaucratic complex who have built an unelected political influence almost equal to that of the oval office.

Disasterous economic policies, state expansionism, statist authoritarianism, special interest agendas, ruling class patronage brokering and continued assaults on individual liberties seems to be entrenched deeply in BOTH parties...along with a total lack of talent or constitutionally principled leadership.

Canada was the same until recently we saw the reform oriented CPC alternative under Harper emerge on the federal level. The is the first true populist/constitutional reformist government we have seen here in almost 90 years.

I hope our American friends can break free from the two-faces-to-the-same-coin oligarchic political party establishment that we both suffered under for so long. The polls show an absolute stalemate in American partisan support. Most of thgese people are disgusted with the abysmal behaviour and agendas of their chosen party but have no alternative....so America remains politically gridlocked with nothing but minority support for their leaders. Bush's 2 slom wins will undoubtedy transfer to whoever narrowly wins the next presidential race be it a Dem or GOP candidate.

America is due for a strong 3rd party of populist constitutionalists which represent mainstream America's interests and not those of either ideological, bureaucratic or monied oligarchs. Maybe the

The sad thing for Americans is there is no real alternative to the poor/anti constitutionalist federal administration. Reagan was the last good populist leader they had but he was stuck with a devolved party corrupted by lobby patronage as he battled the powerful lobbys and military-security bureaucratic complex who have built an unelected political influence almost equal to that of congress.

Disasterous economic policies, state expansionism, statist authoritarianism, special interest agendas, ruling class patronage brokering and continued assaults on individual liberties seems to be entrenched deeply in BOTH parties...along with a total lack of talent or constitutionally principled leadership.

Canada was the same until recently we saw the reform oriented CPC alternative under Harper emerge on the federal level. The is the first true populist/constitutional reformist government we have seen here in almost 90 years.

I hope our American friends can break free from the two-faces-to-the-same-coin oligarchic political party establishment that we both suffered under for so long. The polls show an absolute stalemate in American partisan support. Most of thgese people are disgusted with the abysmal behaviour and agendas of their chosen party but have no alternative....so America remains politically gridlocked with nothing but minority support for their leaders. Bush's 2 slom wins will undoubtedy transfer to whoever narrowly wins the next presidential race be it a Dem or GOP candidate.

America is due for a strong 3rd party of populist constitutionalists which represent mainstream America's interests and not those of either ideological, bureaucratic or monied oligarchs. I belive that populists and constitutionalists for both parties have far more common ground between them than they do with their respective parties and leaders at this point.

There is a giant boot waiting to smash each and every stev--er--cockroach in this world.

It's only a matter of time.

tick, tock, tick, tock.

The DUmmies are deeply saddened.

I'm loving it.

It has been a good week. :0)

Gotta luv them moonies, GW drops in on Iraq and they aren't happy that he isn't walking the streets of Falooga with a target on his back.

Yep! They are in full left denial.

No, we're just pointing the oddity of people celebrating a photo op in a country where tens of thousands of people have been killed in a war that has arguably left the place a bigger mess than it was before.

The fact that the photo op was done in secret should be a disgrace to the president and those who support him.

We've all heard the president's spin lines. But you know what I think "freedom" really looks like?

When Ronald Reagan said, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and a couple of years later people did tear down the Berlin wall, you didn't need a military blackout on presidential travel to east Berlin.

Of course, if Reagan had been a complete idiot and INVADED East Berlin 10 years before it was ready to fall to the West, maybe he'd have looked as imbecilic visiting the place as George Bush did today.

very true Tony. In regards to Rove, I choose to believe in karma. He's done some very nasty things in the past and he will get his in the end. I'd say the same things even if he was a democrat. Rove is very typical of republican thinking.

“Don't forget Abramoff is still singing to the prosecutor.”

Just when I expected the Kernel of Truth to be having an off day he pops back full of cheer. And speaking of singing, this one is for you.

All together now:

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...

Do---di do---do di do di do

W L Mackenzie redux

Mark Steyn has coined a lovely phrase for it: Incumbistan. I heard a news item recently about a 14-term congressman. FOURTEEN!

Here's my simple solution: congressional term limits: ONE term. Get back to the quaint notion of public service EXCEPT make the pay very attractive so that ordinary Joes and Janes don't have to make impossible personal sacrifices to serve. ONE TERM.

Best of the Web today talked about the five stages of grief regarding the Rove issue: denial, bargaining, etc. I'd say relying on karma is a whole new stage of desperation, and, well, just plain silly.

blues rune said: I'd say relying on karma is a whole new stage of desperation

LOL. Sorta reverse virgins, you mean. 72 sluts (not that there's anything wrong with that...)

randall
Yeah right, its my fault Bush is incompetent. Those that voted for him didn't make him competent either. His parents couldn't make him competent!

"And the President has to sneak into the country..."

Well think about it, between the blood-thirsty Muzzi Head-Choppers and the crazed BDS-LLL Moore-Ons, would you feel safe if you were a right-winger?

I'll bet Bush has almost as much security around in the USA because of the deranged Koolaid crowd looking for his blood. No doubt someone would try to pop him off given the chance. Much of the left-wing is that venomous today, and especially after the battering they have suffered the last few days, what with the Head-Choppers being either killed outright, or locked up for awhile.

Shame that....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well, I can see the trolls are out in full force with not a clue to play with amongst them. Too bad, silly trolls. The leader of the free world pays the troops and a fledgling democracy a visit and the best they can come up with is insults on his character and bad advice about his travel plans. Perhaps they would have been happier if he'd announced his coming weeks in advance so all the jihadists could have had their RPG's trained on Air Force 1 as it came in for landing.
As for Karl, this is pretty well tit for tat as the Special Council couldn't find anything to charge the Clinton's with either. Funny how that is. What goes around comes around!
Daniel

Steve d keeps mentioning all the lives lost since the invasion of Iraq, what about the estimated 150,000 a year that Saddam and his ilk were killing? Where were the "steves" then?? Anyway you look at it, the people of Iraq are a hell of a lot better off today (77% of Iraqis apparently agreed according to a poll taken a few months back). I also think George Bush will be looked upon very favorably in the history books (much to steve's chagrin) if Iraq and Afghanistan become viable democracies in the next 10 years (which looks quite likely at this point).

Only a complete fool....would think that the president of one of the most powerful nations on earth....should trumpet his visit to a country still involved in a war.

Those who believe that Iraq was in much better shape with Saddam at the helm....simply speak out of their ass. It is easy to comment as they sit in relative comfort with people ready to die to defend their freedom.

To all the bushaphopics out there. A political analyst in the US predicted the results of the 2008 election. He predicted Bush would not be elected. What and who will you blame for all your troubles then.

Doug
You make me yawn and laugh. Jackboots I bet. A brown shirt too? I thought so.

Charley
I was trying to get people to pay attention to the slaughter in Ruwanda or the starving in North Korea, the human rights viotations all over the ME and Asia.
In the 80's when Saddam was America's man they couldn't feed him weapons and poison fast enough. Rumsfeld was shaking Saddam's hand as he was piosoning Kurds and starting war with Iran. American weapons did most of the killing in that war and of Saddams enemies. Where was Charley?

Remember Charley, when you think of how terrible it was that Saddam was a warmonger and murderer just remember who made it all possible. America loved Saddam(and used him) before they hated him.
When are the Charleys going to step up?
77% isnt that the number that want America to leave Iraq? You know when they are leaving? Never. Thats right, they never planned to leave in the first place. The Iraqis knew that. That is why the insurgency will not end.

There is no danger of Bush being looked upon favourably. He has done everything to go down as the worst president in history. Ten more years before Iraqis and Afghani nightmare to end? You are an optimism. Ten more years of death. I wonder what the final totals will be? A million or more? How many Americans dead and maimed? Ten thousand dead and sixty thousand maimed? Which country will the war be moved to?

Arnold.

Didn't you hear He's gonna be the next President.

They have people working on the programs to guarantee his win as we blog.

ownshook

What are you worried about? The insurgency was in its last throes a year ago. The soldiers are just in a clean up mode. G.W. himself said the war is over.
You sound like one of those Leftist pessimists who only see the negative side of everything. The leaders should know and they said everything is going swimmingly. We are meeting all our objectives. I think some Leftist got to Bush and gave him some story about it being a dangerous war zone. Can you believe someone saying such a thing over three years after our victory in Iraq?
He missed a great opportunity to show everyone back at home just how wonderful Iraq is and how grateful the people are that he freed them. Just imagine the photo-op with Bush riding in an open car and the jubilant Iraqis cheering wildly and throwing flowers and screaming their gratitude to America.

The left should just surrender already and stand by for assimilation.

Resistance, as we're seeing, is futile.

We are conservative. You will be assimilated.

You tried to assimilate us. It's payback time, leftists. And payback's a bi(censored).

(Grinning like Arnold after winning the '75 Olympia)

Sad Steved...

First..it is spelt Rawanda.....

Second...North Korea is starving under communist rule

Third...Saddam commited atrocities against his own people and it is beyond me how you can make anybody..or any other country...an accessory to that.

Four....you speak as if you have an inside track on the intent of the military in Iraq and even more interesting...you appear to know what the average Iraqi is thinking. I hope that is only your opinion and you are not intending to come across that you can read minds...because that would make you insane Steved. You should perhaps have added the words "extremist" and "militant" when describing the Iraqis as to exclude those that appreciate the change.

Five...there are many that will look upon the history of Bush and be quite pleased just as there will be people like you.

http://www.cpusa.org/

Canadian Sentinel
The difference between Harperlite and Harperheavy is not that great. Its all really just business as usual. Yes, even the corruption will return with enough success, time and power.

Just what do you recommend the world do about the slaughters in "Ruwanda" ? (I think you mean Dafur Steve, since the slaughters in Rawanda are just that - past tense).

Perhaps the UN should issue a sternly worded denuciation. Then what?

How are you going to get a homicidal regime to stop ethnic cleansing? No using violence Steve, because we all know that that is wrong.

Steved...see...here is the thing....some of us are not sheep and perhaps his definition of a war is different than mine.

Pockets of "militant" Iraqis who would love to take out the west....I consider that still at war. When firefights still rage...I consider that war. Obviously...if using the initial assault as a basis for the definition of war...that war is over.

Can you please explain why people like you..must always bring Harper into the fray when talking about Bush? Is that all you got? I am sure..since someone perhaps agrees with your assessment...you take it as gold.

You are a figment of your imagination....and btw...Bush is still the Prez...and Harper is running the ship...and the left appear dead in the water.

I see some enjoy arguing with a brick wall...

Ownshook, but then you support the US who've done the same thigs your accusing Saddam of.

Look what they did in south and central America when the democratically elected governments became unfriendly to US businesses, that were raping the land and people? Can you imagine the US hiring some local people that had somethig against the government, to kill the prime minister and run the country with the military? Over the softwood issue? Thats how they deal with the little guy.

If these crimes were such a concern why did the US government continue selling arms to him?

Iraq in particular Fallujah is the gateway to the east. Fallujah has been bombed twice now once by the Americans and by the British in 1920.

The people on the ground living there don't want troops there. The tribes are inter married and will not kill and fight with their families.

Anyone seen Steve D, the nurse is looking for him, it's time for his meds.
Daniel

Neutralsam,

I am replying to your idiotic post.

The U.S. has raped and pillaged the Shia and Kurds? General Casey requires young Iraqi women to be yanked out of their homes and brought to him in order to service him?

It has committed genocide? Gassed the Kurds? Lobbed scud missiles into Israel without provocation? It has put people through shredders for the crime of speaking out? It has buried hundreds of thousands in mass graves? Caused tens of thousands to die from malnutrition while it builds palaces?

Caused hundreds of thousands to disappear, attempted to assassinate a former president of the United States, attacked Radio Free Europe, provided sanctuary to terrorists including Abu Nidal and Yasin, the bomb make of the first WTC attack?

The U.S. has invaded Kuwait and started a war with Iran over nothing?

It has imprisoned and tortured scientists who would not help to develop a nuclear bomb?( read Saddam's Bomb, you fool.)

And Saddam attempted to establish democracy and the rule of law in Iraq? And took on al Qaeda?Who would have known?

I could go on but what is the point of arguing with an ignoramus who doesn't have the courage to use his own name. Neutralsam, you are not neutral but you sure are a chickenposter.

Let me finish by borrowing part of an earlier post from AC's site:

Every time leftoids portray good acts as bad acts- as they have done every day in this war- they prolong it.

Expending blood and treasure to liberate millions of Muslims who have known nothing but tyranny is a good act. The effort, and the sentiment that lies at its base, should be praised- not condemned.

But the only war leftists are interested in fighting is the war against conservatives, particularly Christian conservatives.

Neutralsam...I was prepared to respond to your post...where you accuse me of supporting the U.S whom, you claim, had done the same things I had mentioned Saddam had done....

I wrote...

"Third...Saddam commited atrocities against his own people and it is beyond me how you can make anybody..or any other country...an accessory to that"

No need to type a full response because Terry Gain has slapped you around quite nicely....nice spin however.

Terry Gain

Who used banned weapons on Fallujah? Gassing women and children?

Who took 3500 prisoners of war into the desert who were in containers and waited until most had died from the heat and shot the rest.This was around Mazar-i-Sharif in north-west Afghanistan.

You don't seem to know much about the US's world relations.

The US support Iraq's attacks on Iran, they wanted Saddam to win.

# Analysts recognized that "civilian" helicopters can be weaponized in a matter of hours and selling a civilian kit can be a way of giving military aid under the guise of civilian assistance.[8] Shortly after removing Iraq from the terrorism sponsorship list, the Reagan administration approved the sale of 60 Hughes helicopters.[9] Later, and despite some objections from the National Security Council (NSC), the Secretaries of Commerce and State (George Baldridge and George Shultz) lobbied the NSC advisor into agreeing to the sale to Iraq of 10 Bell helicopters,[10] officially for crop spraying. See "1988" for note on Iraq using U.S. Helicopters to spray Kurds with chemical weapons.
# Later in the year the Reagan Administration secretly began to allow Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt to transfer to Iraq U.S. howitzers, helicopters, bombs and other weapons.[11] Reagan personally asked Italy’s Prime Minister Guilio Andreotti to channel arms to Iraq.

Seems the Right didn't mind selling him the means to deliever the chemicals.

Terry Gain
What prolongs the war is 150,000 troops instead of 350,000 troops three years ago.
What prolongs the war is having no plan after Iraq is defeated.
What prolongs the war is to fight without knowing your enemy.
What prolongs the war is the wilfull planned prolonging of the war.
What prolongs the war is to set up permanent infrastucture in Iraq while saying you will leave when the Iraqis can take care of themselves.
What prolongs the war is the quiet submissiveness of the masses.
What prolongs the war is the glorification of death.

What shortens war is the population rising and insisting the war end.

A recent American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) posting of one of forty-four US military autopsy reports reads as follows: "Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq."

This is going on right now as we write. But now they hide the people so nobody knows where they are or if the US even has them, CIA sending suspects overseas for "rendition".

This sounds a lot like what we heard about the soviets doing to its people, not in America.

"Who took 3500 prisoners of war into the desert who were in containers and waited until most had died from the heat and shot the rest.This was around Mazar-i-Sharif in north-west Afghanistan."

Neutralsam

Source? If this were true it would be front page news every day - for years. In fact forever. Are you an Islamist agent? They specialize in the big lie. Learned it from Goebbels.

"The US support Iraq's attacks on Iran, they wanted Saddam to win."

No, they didn't want Iran to win. (Did you). The distinction too complex for you? Typical leftie. No appreciation for context and holding two opposing thoughts at the same time gives you a headache.

As a lawyer it pains me to say the ACLU is not a reliable source. They were taken over by extreme leftists years ago. Extreme leftists have little regard for the truth.

Source? If this were true it would be front page news every day - for years. In fact forever. Are you an Islamist agent? They specialize in the big lie. Learned it from Goebbels.

Its been all over the news in the rest of the world but how come they did show it here? The British did a documentary on it.

A documentary film, Massacre in Mazar, by Irish director Jamie Doran, was shown to selected audiences in Europe last week, provoking demands for an international inquiry into US war crimes in Afghanistan.

The film alleges that American troops collaborated in the torture of POWs and the killing of thousands of captured Taliban soldiers near the town of Mazar-i-Sharif. It documents events following the November 21, 2001 fall of Konduz, the Taliban’s last stronghold in northern Afghanistan. 17 June 2002

You tell me why you never heard of it?

"CIA sending suspects overseas for "rendition"."
"Neutralsam"

"neutral"sam

Proof?

The Europian Union investigated this allegation and found no evidence to support it. Is your real name Nifong?

"The British did a documentary on it."

BBC? Sorry, not credible. Run by left wingnuts.

The Islamist have been putting out films of staged "attacks" for the past two years. We are so stupid in the west we put people in prison for fraternity style hazing. It now appears Haditha may have been a hoax -two weeks after the marines have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion.

Neutralsam, do you think the Mississauga 17 were tortured? If so, were you born yesterday, or the day before?

Amnesty said Britain, Germany, Italy, Sweden and non-EU members Turkey, Macedonia and Bosnia-Hercegovina were all implicated in six rendition cases detailed in its report, "Partners in Crime: Europe's Role in US Renditions".

Such countries were accused of adopting a "see no evil, hear no evil" approach to rendition flights set up by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Seems that they still think its doing on this was posted 49 minutes ago.
Yes I do believe that the prisoners are being tortured.

"What prolongs the war is 150,000 troops instead of 350,000 troops three years ago."

sd,

They sent what they had. Unfortunately Bush's leftist predecessor had reduced the forces from 18 divisions to 10.

Do you know anything?

The Problem:

The more American troops the less incentive for Iraqis to defend themselves; the longer the deployment; the more "occupation"; the more criticism; the more opposition to the mission; the less chance of success.

Solution: Send more tropps

Terry Gain
Well, Mon General, you too have the formula for a quagmire. If you need more send less. You could take Rumsfelds job.

Some are sad just because we're happy.
Hamas's reaction to the death of Zarqawi caused the contempt of so many Iraqis. The printed and watched Iraqi media lashed out vigorously on Hamas, politicians and ordinary people on the streets are just equally angered by some Arabic official and media reactions which spoke of the criminal as if he were a hero.

It is totally unimaginable why someone would describe the head chopping, children murdering terrorist as a hero. It's disgusting and infuriating beyond words.

This wrongful description of evil is a major reason for misery in this region and it only contributes to justifying more unjustifiable death and violence. This makes one sometimes wishes that Iraq is somehow lifted away from these perverted sociopaths who surround us.
It's encouraging to see that unlike Neutralsam Iraq the Model understands the BBC.

On th Death of Zarqawi

"To say I was angry is the least I can say to describe how I felt reading the comments from Arabs on a BBC forum. There was no surprise that all Iraqi commentators were pleased that we got rid of that vicious terrorists but on the other hand there was probably 90% of non-Iraqi Arab commentators who mourned him as a martyr."

Time for a "re-write" of my last post.

It's encouraging to see that unlike Neutralsam Iraq the Model understands the BBC.

On the Death of Zarqawi

"Some are sad just because we're happy.
Hamas's reaction to the death of Zarqawi caused the contempt of so many Iraqis. The printed and watched Iraqi media lashed out vigorously on Hamas, politicians and ordinary people on the streets are just equally angered by some Arabic official and media reactions which spoke of the criminal as if he were a hero.

It is totally unimaginable why someone would describe the head chopping, children murdering terrorist as a hero. It's disgusting and infuriating beyond words.

This wrongful description of evil is a major reason for misery in this region and it only contributes to justifying more unjustifiable death and violence. This makes one sometimes wishes that Iraq is somehow lifted away from these perverted sociopaths who surround us.

To say I was angry is the least I can say to describe how I felt reading the comments from Arabs on a BBC forum. There was no surprise that all Iraqi commentators were pleased that we got rid of that vicious terrorists but on the other hand there was probably 90% of non-Iraqi Arab commentators who mourned him as a martyr."

"If you need more send less"

sd

Sad, but not surprised to see you still don't get it. You don't need more (except patience) if nore will retard the pace of the Iraqis assuming the responsibility of defending themselves.

Does this help you?

Terry Gain
You needed more in the first place so as to gain control of the country. There is only one area that they planned to control and did, the oil. The entire country should have been controlled then the insurgency would not have been able to take root and grow. That is why it is now a quagmire. Now it is too late. The insurgency has taken root and organized and drawn in all types of outsiders. Now the insurgents will decide when and if the fighting will end.

Terry Gain: I feel your pain :(

"Extreme leftists have little regard for the truth."
Posted by: Terry Gain at June 14, 2006 12:00 AM

Well,we certainly witness that here day in and day out,don't we?(not that extreme righties are any less bunkered in their mentality)
It is often easy to forget the lefties who hang out here are of a unique breed,even among their own ranks.To aid and abet the enemy purely for the reason of whipping up conservative's emotions is sick.They prove their ultimate liberal-fueled selfishness by unwittingly helping the enemy in this crucially important theatre of propaganda!(or,I guess,they may know EXACTLY what they are up to)
And,in the BEST tradition of the LPC,they lie and deny when confronted by this fact and then spin some excuses for why consistently attacking our allies in a time of war is actually a good thing.
Of course,they would be neutered if people would stop gobbling the bait they dangle here,but alas,far too many are far too gullible to ignore these shiny lures,and thus set the stage for them to spew their own anti-american,anti-right agenda!

It is shocking that conservatives have to think instead of happily back slapping their way through their utopian illusory world view.

The conservative need for homeostasis in a dynamic world is a rather stultifying way of exercising one's intellect.

Oh how conservatives long for a world wherein everything is black and white, good and evil, left and right.

SHINY LURES!! SHINY LURES!!

It's interesting that the media's posting of this Anti-American view that has been so roundly criticized in this thread is being used by the Islamists to recruit. See, even the American say that the sons of Islam are being butchered.

Every time it's printed it kills more Americans.

Pity

steve d:

I personally appreciate your posts because it is clear that you are a thoughtful and intelligent person.

That said, it is generally accepted that the "historical" consensus of a major political person usually requires at least a couple of decades of analysis for a definitive opinion of "good" or "bad" to be developed...

What I'd like you to consider is this...had you been blogging, say, a couple of days after Dunkirk...would you have been talking "quagmire"? Or after D-Day, when operations were severely bogged down, would the "Q word" have been part of your vocabulary?
Or God forbid, when the troops were fighting for a few yards of territory in the hedgerows would you have used the "Q" word?

And when you consider Bush's comtribution to world peace, remember to consider the fact that after he demontrated that the US actully had BALLS, Quadaffi caved....

Me No Dhimmi said:
"Mark Steyn has coined a lovely phrase for it: Incumbistan. I heard a news item recently about a 14-term congressman. FOURTEEN!
Here's my simple solution: congressional term limits: ONE term. Get back to the quaint notion of public service EXCEPT make the pay very attractive so that ordinary Joes and Janes don't have to make impossible personal sacrifices to serve. ONE TERM."

Couldn't agree more IND. Too many in the belt-line view elected public service as a "career". and career bureucrats see congress and the oval office as just a temporary employer who they can "work around" with their own departmental agendas.

This degenerating attitude towards "public service" in the beltline has created an American federal bureaucracy and regimes which are statist, monolithic, unresponsive and focused only on expanding the state and consolidating power and control on key officials and departments which are not accoutable to the electorate via a ballot.....not a good scenario for Constitutionalist Americans who want to see big obtrusive government put back in the box the founding fathers built for it.

Canadian Observer...after reading your post...I realized you were correct. They are only shiny lures that troll along offering little in the way of fulfillment for those that attach themselves.

It is just that they are so ripe for the picking..that you forget that it is really a road to nowhere.

shiny lures: :) good.
And YET, trolls, even if totally insincere and closed to new ideas, DO have this potential benefit: the clarification of our own ideas which results from attempts to persuade. Let's face it, we don't advance intellectually in echo chambers. That said, a better form of troll baiting would be to ASK more questions and solutions of the troll and then cruelly watch the wriggling. Our own "shiny lures" might be a) sweet reason and gentleness (no ad hominem attacks) and b) the Socratic approach. As Bawm-Bawerk, teacher of von Mises put it, "socialists are excellent critics but poor theorists". We see this over and over again on the hard left. Critiques without alternate solutions.

Steved: " American weapons did most of the killing in that war [Iran/Iraq] and of Saddams enemies' ... hope you have a established source for that historical tid bit Steved, but I'm betting you don't
bd911

MICHELLE MALKIN SLAYING LIBS: "THE NIGHT BEFORE FITZMAS"

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bd911
The US supplied arms too both sides, including chemical weapons and the precursors to nuclear capabilities.

Silly why would the US sell arms to both sides in a conflict? Because they make more money then.

"Iran and Iraq war" just cut and paste into your search then pick the site you trust the most. They all say the same thing.

Bruce
You are correct of course it does take time to know for certain whether a president has been ahead of his time or out of his mind.
There is a lot of evidence that he is incompetent. Maybe he will bungle his way to fame. If I were a betting man you know where my bet would be.

SHINY LURES!! SHINY LURES!!

neutralsam - no doubt about it, "The US supplied arms too both sides, including chemical weapons and the precursors to nuclear capabilities", but that's not the contention of Steved that I take issue with. His claim: " American weapons did most of the killing in that war [Iran/Iraq] and of Saddams enemies". The (then) USSR and France were much larger "merchants" than the US.

So, neutralism, please stick to the point being disputed and don't muddy the debate by dragging your tail
bd911

steved your bet would be in my pocket because you are backing the wrong horse. i.e. socialist BS

Free
Socialist BS, Conservative BS, Liberal BS, is there really a difference? I have yet to see it.

BS is just BS.

The real problem occurs when one's BS is given power. Then that is a different kettle of BS.
It is harder to ignore then.

It seems you know all about BS. I think we are all sick of you spewing it. I know I am.

free

What? no tolerance? I love reading your BS.