About time. Few tears will be shed over this. The Taliban, Saddam, Zarqawi, hopefully bin Laden next - the sooner Dr. Frankenstein destroys all the monsters he's created, the better.

Have heard two commentators so far say (paraphrasing): "he wasn't really that important...it won't make much of a difference"

Shouldn't the liberal left and their media friends at least wait, oh I dunno, a day, before they revise history.

Good riddance. No doubt others will spring up in his place but this is a big step forward.

June 2006, and a Good news weekI
Ann Coulter taking on the Dems in the U.S.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed.
Was that on 6-6-06 by any chance?
Chuck Guite in prison in Canada , waiting for the wheeels of justice to bring him his political masters as cellmates, Alfonso, Jean, Paul?
Homegrown terrorists put on the run!
Hapers'ss budget passed unanimously!
Wow!!

Hope they got him with a pork bomb. Burn in hell, scumbag.

Mitch,

How do you know that those 2 commentators weren't conservative rightists that were showing good judgement?

Lumping all lefties together and painting them with the same brush shows logic akin to islamo-fascists.

It's a very important step. I also accept Mark Steyn's view that Bin Laden is dead. We haven't seen him for several years; the voice videos are easy to fake.

And, we have difficult but emerging democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's important to sustain them, for their effect will move into the 'holdouts' against democracy: Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia...

And, we have, finally, Europe starting to wake up from its multicultural slumber, which is another name for 'head-in-the-sand' and starting to acknowledge that not all ways of life and belief are viable in a modern industrial world.

And now, in Canada, we are starting to talk about the serious flaws of multiculturalism. About time.

AND - moderate Muslims are starting to speak up about the need for reform of the Islamic religion and a rejection of the extremism. That's also a first.

I don't think any of these changes have reached threshold level where we can sit back and say that the 'tide has turned'. There's more to come.
It's too early; we could yet have another cartoon fiasco. But, the West has to say 'No; you can't dictate to us' and 'If you want to live in the West, you can't live within multicultural tribalism'. And, democracy has to be the 'modus operandus'. Tribalism won't work.

Check news website headlines this morning if you still have any doubts about the varying world views of the MSM.

A few examples... National Post and affiliates, and the Washington Times headline the killing of this TERRORIST, while CBC, NY Times, and the Washington Post avoid such a judgmental word.

The CBC seems particularly desperate - one can only use the words "militant" and "insurgent" so many times in a piece without rendering them meaningless - isn't that one of the arguments against the dreaded T word?

Tentative first prize: An NRO reader claims to have heard the word "assassination" used to describe the event on National Public Radio this morning, the CBC-wannabe in the U.S.

Robert Fisk will now be able to, justifiably, say that Zarqawi doesn't exit.

I heard (a BBC reporter?) down-playing the importance of this, that there will be plenty of others. The reality-challenged left just hates to se success.

You get commentators from both sides saying he was but one cog in a wheel...you hear that about Bin Laden from Bush.

It is true, Al Queda etc has prominent actors and prime movers but it is not a cult of one. This isnt like killing Bonnie and Clyde....in their case their particular crimes stopped and they were isolated actors.

Al Queda and what it represents is a larger issue. This helps, dont get me wrong...and I look forward to the creation of more martyr's to the cause.....but one person isnt everything but one person can make a difference.

I suspect that there will now be fights amngst his followers as to who picks up the leadership. If none then it will be the beginning of the end of the insurgency.

What has been forgotten, evidently, is that they have taken out his "immediate underlings" one by one in past months. Don't assume there are a lot left out there capable of resuming where he left off.

Good riddance and no vigrins for you, Zarqawi!

. . .

In line with what Kate wrote about not assuming there are hordes of underlings waiting to fill Al-Zarqawi's smoldering shoes, it has to be incredibly demoralizing to know that the coalition forces are capable of hitting those assumed to be unreachable and, contrary to what the liberal media hoped, DO possess the patience and courage to bring that about. The imbicile on the verge of assuming leadership of the Iraqi terrorists surely has second thoughts, no?

This is a great day if only in that this one murderous bastard and his spiritual adviser were finally tracked down and eliminated. Kate you are right that his immediate underlings have been taken out over the last months. However, this group has proven itself in the past to be like a hydra and every head chopped off seems to be replaced with depressing regularity. Undoubtedly each of those underlings had an apprentice only too willing to take over the reins and continue to wreak more misery on the Iraqi people and those in that hell trying to help them.

Sadly, I see nothing but more of the same for some time to come. It's going to take the Iraqi people, both Sunni and Shiite, to stand up and start turning the terrorists in or better yet stringing them up from lamp posts themselves for any real really effective change to occur.

What I find most interesting is that intel provided by Iraqi citizens was key to locating and eliminating Zarqawi.

Similarily, intel from within the Canadian Muslim community appeared to have played a role in the surveilance and capture of the Toronto 17.

Both cases bode well for the war on terrorism. The silent majority of Muslims both in the middle east and in the west need to become more vocal. Given the nature of this war an arguement could be made that they have the most to lose.

Apathy and fear must be overcome in the defense of liberty. The mad mullahs and islamofacists must be challenged at every turn by common Muslim folk.

Syncro

I think the most important thing, aside from Al-Z's death, was the little side report noting that US forces raided a large number of suspect sites right after they got him, netting a 'treasure trove' of intelligence information.

Look for some other action soon. Much intel taken in this manner must be acted on right away, before the bad guys have a chance to reorganize. Other stuff can be helpful in the long haul.

Another "Small Dead Animal"...
Osama, if you are still out there, you're next!
Daniel

What I found most interesting was the footage from the news conference in Iraq, where Iraqi government announced that Al-Zarqawi had been killed. The Iraqi journalists immediatedly began clapping loudly and excitedly, with some even cheering. Those who appeared Western (excuse the racial profiling) sat motionless, before a few slowly and half-heartedly put their own hands together.

Newsworld seems to have stopped using the terms "so-called war on terror" for today and subsituted it for the "Us-led war on terror". Are the accepting that it is in fact a real war, the day the leader of the "insurgents" in Iraq is killed?

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!"

Thank you U.S. troops...great work!!!!

This is an unqualified victory. The only way to win this war on ISLAMIC JIHAD is to blow every leader of the movement to smithereens. Sure, there are countless junior throat-cutters out there who are drawn to this movement - but human nature states that people love winners, and slink away from losers. Nazism in Germany, for the most part, died in 1945, even though hundreds of active Nazi die-hards survived.

When we show that Islamic Jihad is a dead-end and a recipe for destruction, we will win. Only total victory through the high-profile destruction of symbolic leaders like Zarqawi will allow this to happen.

Saddam should have been shot on sight.

Correction to above: "hundreds of THOUSANDS OF active Nazi die-hards..."

Thankyou to the troops. Today an important piece of terrorism has been taken out with the garbage.
The reporters are the loser. The people that live in North America understand how important this is.
No Virgins!

Mitch, we'll see how important he was. I suspect not very.

""alleged victory"."
Remember the last time the President alleged he had victory? Sure it's good he's dead, but it's naive if anyone thinks it's a serious and lasting blow to the insurgency.

As with the Soviet Union,when Stalin died there were people to take his place and the evil empire didnt die right away but no one had the blood thirst of Stalin and therefor it slowly disintigrated.So it will be with EL quida when the maniacle leaders are gone.

Rest in pieces Zman.
Now we can go ahead and forget how to pronounce this grease spots name.

This is good news, but it is also worthy to note that apologists in Canada are blaming the US for the Toronto - 17. Is this the Canada I grew up in? I don't think so...

I think saskboy has a point (it does remain to be seen what the impact of this will be), but I expect that the use of the term "alleged victory" had much to do with a cautious approach to swallowing the next big story whole. It's natural that the CBC would be a little "gun shy" (pardon the pun) in their reporting given the 2 recent media embarrassments (stories on Iran's yellow badge policy and the Canadian soldiers being kidnapped). Honestly, nobody at the CBC would feel that al-Zarqawi's demise is anything but great news. If you don't believe that, I would say that you're torturing yourself with delusions.

What we can hope for out of this is that there will be a scramble amongst the insurgents to seize the top spot; this would doubtless entail various coups and internal blood-letting, all of which are, ahem, devoutly to be wished for.

And, pace Kate, as numerous lieutenants have been killed or captured in the last year, one could presume that the skill and intelligence levels of the leadership must be falling, which should make it easier to thwart their efforts, capture their troops, and put a damper on their recruiting.

Not that I've seen it reported, but I'm assuming this guy was an Islamist...

Expect no congratulations from the Liberals, only ,spin ,spin ,spin.

Besides; if they acknowledge that the Death of Zarqawi is a good-thang then that would indicate they were pulling for America , and Lord knows we can't have that.

Here's hoping the US troops bury that terrorist demon facing away from Mecca. Prior to covering his open grave I hope the coalition troops have a kegger is his honour, pi$$ on his bloated corpse, cover him in hog fat and let the maggots feast on his remains.

Good riddance to this incompetent hypocrite in running shoes who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. If he was the "brains" of the operation hopefully the job's half over at the very least.

Most Wanted Terrorist In Iraq Dead

nealenews headline....

just above the head pic of the late Z-man (cursed be he) :eyes shut permanently.

Long Live Free Iraq. +

Terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the most wanted man in Iraq, was killed in a coalition airstrike near Baquba, jubilant U.S. and Iraqi authorities announced Thursday. Iraqi reporters cheered...Dancing in the streets...Democrats Irked Over Zarqawi's Death...

I wonder if this will affect the war in a positive way as much as capturing Saddam did.

"Sure it's good he's dead, but it's naive if anyone thinks it's a serious and lasting blow to the insurgency." saskboy

Wow. If I had this insight I certainly wouldn't be posting under an alias.

Saskboy, do you not realize the CBC will pay big bucks for this kind of spin?

Over the years we kept hearing media reports that Zarquawi was the ring leader etc. etc. and that he was the man responsible for the success of the militants in Iraq. Now that Zarquawi has been eliminated the apologists are out saying it's no big deal, someone will replace him etc. etc. This is a major coup for the allies but the fight is not over but at least we don't have to worry about this butcher anymore.

Weasel words from AFP: "allegedly beheaded". Who/what is "AFP"? AFP is Agence-France Presse.

AFP - Home
Claiming to be the world's oldest established news agency, this worldwide multilingual and multimedia...
www.afp.com/ - 2k -

Nick Berg's Father Weeps for Zarqawi

The father of Nick Berg is a tool of MoveOn.org and International ANSWER, and he responds in predictable moonbat fashion to the death of the man who decapitated his son: Father of Zarqawi victim draws no comfort from his death.

NEW YORK (AFP) - The father of Nick Berg, a US businessman allegedly beheaded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said Thursday he regretted the death of his son’s murderer and warned of an upsurge in violence in Iraq.

“The death of every human being is a tragedy,” Michael Berg said in a statement.

“The death of Mr. Zarqawi means a continuation of the violence and revenge that took the life of my son,” he said. “This will mean an increase in violence and resistance to the occupation of Iraq by the US military.” via LGF

A lot of people who don't usually celebrate someone's death are making an exception with this one. Hey, me too!

Maybe it takes an Iraqi citizen to truly put this in perspective for Iraqis themselves:

"A Shia friend may have said it best, “Zarqawi would not listen to ballots, today there is no mistaking that he listened to the bombs."

Charles at LGF has video of the bombing that did in the son of a pig and monkey.

Drago: Saddam's capture did nothing because it was he was taken alive, not dead. If they were smart, and blew up that spider hole instead of crawling in after him, things would be much different today.

This will help greatly. Saddam's eventual execution will help greatly. Destruction of every inspirational Jihadist leader is our only road to victory.

Holy jihad be damned--we got one. I am no war monger but I know certain people need to be "addressed", and this was one bad dude. I feel for the people of Iraq and all those who live daily with violence all around them. Perhaps with his death will bring them some hope that this ungodly war will end before their lifetime is up.

I noted that a woman and her child were also killed in the blast. How long before we here Libbers and Dippers bemoan the slaughter of innocents?

Nancy Wilson is interviewing some expert on the mid-east, and they are trying their best to downplay this as a major event. Wish all cbc talking heads would quit smiling when they talk about the so called war. My question is. There was a 25million reward for this guys capture. It appears he was turned in with help from Iraqis. Who will get the money, and lets hope it isn't a fundraising event to give to OBL. This is a major win for the US troops and Iraqi troops. It might send a message to other wannabe terrorists in Canada that their hero is dead and friends are in jail. Will the people of TO take the plot a little more serious when they find out that food courts, and malls were targeted. The cbc is having a hard time avoiding the word Terrorist. I also think OBL has been dead for many years. Too bad clinton didn't get him when he was offered him by the PM of Pakistan years ago. How that clown maintains his popularity amazes me. Now we have gore out there trying to scare us. When the world is still here in 10 years people will wake up to the fool he is. O/T. Poor layton lost his chance to get an NDP budget this time. Talk about being asleep at the switch. How many libs were in the House when this passed. How will the media spin this next election. Loved it when the finance minister thanked the House for passing his budget without debate, unanimously.

"A lot of folks at CBC will be glad he's dead."

BWAHAHAHAHA

Surely you jest!

This will be like a kick in the teethe for that seething mass of hard-left slime infesting the place. There's nothing more pleasing to the CBC hordes than seeing BushHitler/Harper smacked around using any means possible. (nudge-nudge, wink-wink)

Kate,
What wind blew all the cockroaches into the commet section the last week?

I think it's time for a major fumigation.

A man died today, along with many innocent civilians. Yes, he was an extremely bad person, and (likely...so we are told) masterminded and/or was involved in many killings.

Is this really a "victory"? Is this "justice", as the american president loves to tout in every single one of his speeches?

From the Daily KOS news headlines: "...any hopes the Jordanian-born terror leader's death would help stem the violence in Iraq were dimmed hours later when a car bomb exploded in a Baghdad market, killing 19 and wounding 65."

These were likely civilians, going about their daily routines or business. There have already been two suicide bombings since al-Zarqawi died. What will be the end result of this attack by the U.S.? More attacks by the individuals involved in terrorist groups? More suicide bombings?? It is obvious to me that we cannot continue down this path..."fighting terror" with terror!! Why give these individuals, most of them idealistic young people, a martyr??!

One Saskatchewan radio announcer stated this morning that this can only be viewed as a victory" and is one of the best things to happen lately (paraphrased). Sir, today's news is NOT viewed as a very good thing by everyone, likely including family members of people killed today in one of two (already) suicide bombings. There will only be more idealistic young people to replace Mr. al-Zarqawi, who is now another one of their idols.

Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, how many suicide bombers were there? How many are there now? I don't believe this has been a victory by any stretch of the imagination. This is not "justice".

- Justice is "FAIR treatment and due reward in accordance with HONOUR, standards, or law".

- Victory "refers especially to the FINAL defeat of an enemy or opponent" (taken from www.dictionary.com).

I don't believe that this has been a final defeat, and "justice" has not been served.

(Just the opinion of a very-first-time blogger...)

V for Victory: ... -

V for Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.

V for Sir Winston Churchill.

V for Free Iraq. ... -

Iraqis Celebrate Zarqawi’s Death
Sweetness & Light | June 8, 2006 | N/A

Posted on 06/08/2006 8:40:35 AM PDT by Sam Hill

Our one party media has done such a good job convincing us of the popularity of the "Iraqi insurgency" that I have to admit to being a little surprised to see Iraqis celebrating the death of al-Zarqawi:

Pics here:

Iraqis celebrate after hearing that Al-Qaeda militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in a joint US-Iraqi raid on the outskirts of the restive city of Baquba. US and Iraqi officials hailed Zarqawi's demise as a major blow again

Iraqi police officers and an elderly woman fire guns in the air to celebrate the news that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al-Qaida's leader in Iraq who led a bloody campaign of suicide bombings and kidnappings, has been killed in an air raid north of Baghdad, in the Sadr City area of Baghdad, Iraq Thursday, June 8, 2006. One of the police officers gave his pistol to the elderly woman, whom he knew, so that she could join in the celebrations by firing in the air with them.

Of course it makes all the sense in the world.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse

Nick Berg's father (Nick Berg, the beheaded journalist) is saying that the death of Al-Zarqawi will only lead to more deaths...interestingly, though, and unsaid, NOT having him die would lead to more deaths, too. Perspective is a funny thing, isn't it.

The real question would be...will there be more or less killings as a result of Al-Zarqawi's death and WHO will be killed? Though I agree that this is not a "final" victory and it may not necessarily be "justice", I believe that it was a necessary battle won in the war. Any death is unfortunate (in the grandest scheme of things), but I believe that the world is better off now that he's dead than if he were alive.

Let's not REJOICE in his death, but we should be allowed some sense of minor temporary "relief" (not quite the right word, but good enough).

His death was a step forward, and the indignant howls from the Kos crowd are the icing on the cake.

Geez Kate, I almost hurled my breakfast at the dailykos.

That link needs a warning.

The following is a guide to the Dems new "platform" from a post on dailykos./s

"Zarqawi was quite probably a psy ops job in the first place, so what does that make his "death"?

Keep your eyes on the prize:

Gay marriage?
Haditha.

Flag burning?
Haditha!

Brangelina?
HADITHA!

Zarqawi?
HADITHA!!!"

Vengeance is sweet. This is the filthy pondscum that personally beheaded a hostage on tape.

Zarqawi tentacles reached even into Canada:

His influence was felt as far as the recent arrests in Canada, where the Mississauga News reported that "Zarqawi's outfit passe[d] on bomb-making manuals, advice on how to sustain terror cells and even ways to use credit card fraud to hack into vital Internet sites" to the accused terror suspects.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/307cfkcp.asp?pg=2

I have no words for the creepy, indulged, middle-class little roaches attracted to the Kos site. They are too stupid to realized that their seditious and disgusting rooting for the enemy is only safe and a privilege when you live in a democracy protected by a First Amendment, the same democratic protection they root for the Iraqis and Afghans to lose. You can bet that a lot of these little jerks still live off an allowance from their parents. In their whole silly short lives, I bet most of them haven't had to face anything much more painful than a price increase on their favorite draft beer.

Just to play devil's advocate:

If you cruise over to CNN; you can watch the airstrike video, see a pic of Zarqawi's face which looks relatively intact.

I think 'Zarqawi' was on the slab for a few days.

If you were in a direct hit by a 500 pounder bomb, then it would be reasonable to expect that everybody in the building would be atomized joining the lengthy list of "Pink Mist Boys".

Atomized : To reduce to tiny particles or a fine spray.

To have an intact face after a point blank 500 pound bomb explosion just doesn't make sense.

This guy they are showing was "taken out" some time before the airstrike. The guy should be in fine pieces at best, being shovelled up into a garbage bag.

When you look at the video, the blast blows down the street for something like 3-4 city blocks.
If he was hit by a direct strike there should be close to nothing left but "pink mist".

An interesting piece of disinformation perhaps?

Try this link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/index.html

How about that autopsy to prove the cause of death? Apparently, the authorities were also able to get good fingerprints after a 500 lb blast.
This strains a little credibility.

Maybe a good snipers shot to the chest from about 1-2km would pass plausibility.

Its truely frightening how hateful and spiteful many of the posters on the 'dailyKak' are.

Any bit of good news is disbelieved with strident calls for proof and accusations of false reporting.

Yet any bit of news that paints Bush, America or the West in a bad light is instantly accepted and gleefully promoted as true.

The jihad cannot defeat a united West, they quite possibly will defeat a West underminded by traitorous stupid Liberals !

Hans,

come on, take your tin foil off. 8-) The concussion from a 500lb bomb is enough to kill. Hve you ever seen Bomb Damage Assessments (BDA) before and after? I have, it is likely that he was either killed by the concussive blast or by something falling on him, like a big piece of concrete retribution! I do find it interesting that others are trying to put a spin on it, saying they found childrens items nearby. How pathetic, if the terrorists were using innocent children as shields, go to hell Zarqawi, if they are relatives of the terrorists, the terrorists are responsible for their deaths!

I think it is justice that this creep didn't know it was coming! lights out terrorist Punk! Hans, go easy on the conspiracy theories.

adnabe...There are many different types of victories,even small moral ones.To win the war,you must first be victorious in many individual battles.And whether this is justice or not depends strictly on one's point of view.Personally,I will accept it as fair justice only if I learn he suffered before he died.But hey,that's just me!
All the Bush-bashing going on is basically partisan and superfluous.Whether you agree with war or not,these terrorists are on a self-described mission to eradicate our freedoms.Do you understand they want to kill your family and friends?
Which leads to this...To blame the west for suicide bombings is backwards thinking.If you are intent in believing someone must be blamed for these attacks,that's fine.But remember that by DEFAULT,if you want to BLAME the US for every death,you are defending the terrorists.That is something your post sadly demonstrates.
If you don't like Bush,no prob,not many of us do!(just look at his UNapproval ratings!)But,that is no excuse to undermine him in a time of war,thus helping the REAL enemy.(that's muslim extremists,not Bush,in case the MSM has failed to point this out.)
What alternative do you offer?Surely you don't want the coalition to cut and run and leave the Iraqis exposed to these terrorists and the slaughter that would ensue.

Canoe news says you Westerners are at fault for Muslim Islamist terrorism not the late Z-man (cursed be he). You will be backlashed.

Propaganda from canoenews.

The self-loathing, suicidal left liberals/socialists are allied with Muslim Islamist terrorists. +

al Zarqawi backlash
Will Abu Musab al Zarqawi's death incite more hatred towards the West? Can we expect a backlash from this? Submit
canoe news

Hans - That crossed my mind, too. I was surprised that we could so easily recognize the face following the blast. I saw the video of the bombing first, and wondered how they would be able to identify anybody at all who was inside the structure at the time. I wondered whether they'd be able to determine exactly how many individuals were inside, in fact. When I later saw the picture of Mr. Zarqawi's face, I was amazed. It could certainly be that the picture is a little older than we're being told. Days, weeks, we don't know. The news comes at a good time for Bush (he could do with a story like this every day or so for a few months), and we all know that one of the first casualties of war is um, the uh, the truth. Anyway, it's good that Zarqawi is gone, no doubt about that.

Abu Musab Zarqawi Liberal Feedback
Orbusmax ^ | 6/8/06

Posted on 06/08/2006 10:32:17 AM PDT by llevrok

This Pacific NW "drudge like" web page is doing a great job today of tracking the liberal response to Zarqawi's death.

Absolutly amazing (but not surprising)

Link to orbusmax from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645707/posts

Doug,

The same wind that should blow you into the back pew...a place where people that want to censor opposing views have no audience...a form of conservative-fascism.

Hans has point...however, there were two 500 pounders. Even if you discount the vapourization theory, the incredible pressure from the concussion would cause a human body to go paper thin.

But George W. lie to the American people...come on that is just unthinkable.

C'mon, people, don't preempt your President, let him declare the end of major operations in the GWOT.

"To blame the west for suicide bombings is backwards thinking.If you are intent in believing someone must be blamed for these attacks,that's fine.But remember that by DEFAULT,if you want to BLAME the US for every death,you are defending the terrorists.That is something your post sadly demonstrates."

How is this by default? Blame does not need to be placed exclusively on one group. I think, and I'm sure many others do to, that blame can be placed on the first world, including the US, as well as the terrorist. It is very tough to deny that the US's support of third world dictators such as Saddam circa 1988, or their lack of aid to the third world havs not facilitated the rise of such people as Zarqawi. Your statement really does imply that this is a black and white issue. I find it hard to believe that these problems can be resolved simply by "going after the bad guy." Even if you think the States are doing a good job now, the issue of blaming the US still needs to be raised to help ensure that the same mistakes that have occurred in the past decades do not occur again.

S. Baker :

Correction. The US is being blamed by socialistic Liberals. Who are now in a state of bewilderment.If not panic. They know there summer is over. There season is done.

Most Canadians are rational enough to know who the culperates are. Please do not think where all part of there sleezy culture of entitlement & mob mentality.As one poster put it. Just having the budget pass is indicitive of the impotance of these left-lib Elites.

If we win this war , these people will go down in history as enablers of corruption , totolitarianism, with a love of graft.

Some will be outed as traitors all along. Alger Hiss's , hiding behind a federal government, there own treason.

It will take time for the socialist ediface to crumble.But that its disitergrating is obvious.The lies of come home to roost.Forty years of rotting monolitic institutions that work no more.Based on Collectivism (Wheat Board)or the lowest common denominator.

The left is redoubling its efforts, though even they must know the 60's are over & the party is done. Its time to clean up.

As for anotyher mass murder done in . I find it heartining that Muslims where invoved in his capture. Cautiously optomistic. Time will tell how this will effect the WOT.

The left picked the wrong horse to run beside.

I see this Country taking amazing steps. Americans I know are envious of Harper as a Leader actually working in the peoples interest, & not there sponsers.

The sense I get is there own legislators, are defying there own electorate over immigration & other issues.It will be interesting to see how many of there skunks will be spaded? These coming term elections.

The was no put down on your post. I just felt you are not giving those who would destroy out Country if ever given power again, there just recognition.

I rejoice the Iraqis have a freer Nation today because of this monsters death.

Jesus was right: Those who live by the sword will die by it.

S. Baker:

Yes, I agree the shock wave produced at point blank would be sufficient to scramble any brains, assuming the target had any that were working correctly. I don't believe the reporters bothered to report the type of munitions used, other than saying it was a laser guided bomb; which could mean a variety of weapons.

One can visualize the big spiking discontinuity S-wave making its way through the target's cranium with the resulting rolling eyes as the target collaspes.

As to whether there were children in the vicinity, this would be typical don't give a damn about human life terrorist modus operandi. If they cared about their own life or anyone elses; suicide bombers wouldn't exist.

I was PLAYING at devil's advocate, as opposed to angels advocate which doesn't apply, so the extra strength tinfoil comes in handy sometimes. :)

Cause of death could also have been a piece of concrete encrusted reinforcing steel through the chest, etc.

In any case, we are assured one the vipers has been extinguished.

What will be interesting is to see how the Iraqi situation develops over the next few weeks and months. Will this inspire more jihadists to continue as Al Qaeda has insisted or will the extremists realize that the long term situation is untenable.

This skirmish in repect of Zarqawi, still leaves some wider questions in the Middles East to be resolved.

As suggested some millenia ago:

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving The Lord your God, obeying His voice, and cleaving to Him; for that means life to you and length of days, that you may dwell in the land which The Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." (Deuteronomy 30:1-20 RSV)

The extremists are consistently choosing death and curse as a matter of policy for themselves and others. Its theological spin doctoring for political purposes. More hate dressed in very red riding theological clothing as "Gods will".

Of course when referring to Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), the prophets get peace, the rest of us get decapitation, bullets, grenades, fertilzer bombs, and maybe in the future a nuke or two.

Peace is not breaking out all over, as the interpretation of the following verse attests:

In accordance with the Koranic verse "Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them" [8:60]).

The dark theological woods need some bread crumbs so we can all find our way back to grandma's house. "My what big teeth you have."

Wolves indeed.

And anotherone
And anotherone
And anotherone bites the dust

Finally got Zarqi the beast.
I heard it took two 500 pound bombs. Can't be too careful, he was a big guy. He still looks in good shape(for a dead guy). He should have been hamburger. The Hussein brothers looked a lot worse than that and I don't think they used anything near 1,000 pounds of bombs.

The bigger news is they finally got people for ministries of defense and security. Those two could make the difference between all out civil war and peace.

Syncrodox said:
Both cases bode well for the war on terrorism. The silent majority of Muslims both in the middle east and in the west need to become more vocal.

Indeed! BUT, we have to stop "pussyfooting" around with your multi-culti pieties -- to be more robust in our thinking to help the vast majority of muslims develop the courage to speak up. There's the rub.

KMM. The trouble with "blaming" is that everyone is culpable and we get nowhere. Yes, the Americans are to "blame" but so are the Russians, Chinese, Germans, French, Saudis, Israelis, Palestians etal. Everyone had in the mess we are presently in. The question should be "how do we get out of this" rather than "let's see who's to blame?" But let's connect the dots folks. We are all now supposed to be on the same side - against the terrorists. How can we truly deal with the factors that led to today - be they corruption, poverty and yes, US foreign policy - if we are constantly trying to defend ourselves from these jerks who seek to kill all, even Muslims, who they have deemed (in their self-appointed court)as unworthy and marked for death. How does attacking the US, Canada and Israel get them to understand that some things in the world have to change. Don't let the terrorists lull you into thinking that if you criticize their enemies, you will be safe. In fact, that type of goodwill is considered weakness to be exploited. We are in this together against the Islamofascists, aren't we?

Top Ten Ways To Post Like A Conspiracy Lunatic

10. Have no sense of humor, irony or whimsy.

9. The fact that an investigation shows there was no conspiracy does nor prove the conspiracy does not exist. It is evidence that the conspiracy does exist.

8. Use *highlighting*, CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation points!!!! indiscriminately.

7. Follow up every non-sequitor with "COINCIDENCE?"

6. Find tenuous of connections between a person who debunks your theory and the conspirators.

5. Insert examples of how your personal life has been wrecked because the conspirators know you are on to them.

4. Always put commonly accepted descriptions in quotation marks.

3. Insist that the experts know nothing.

2. Make it up as you go along.

And the Number One Way to Post Like a Conspiracy Lunatic:

1. You're not cleared for that.

kmm - with such linear regressive thinking, everyone is to blame for all the problems everywhere.

After all, both Canada and France supported Hussein. So, why absolve them? If you blame one, you must blame all; it's a network.

And remember, someone, not the US, is to blame for the US behaviour. And someone, not Canada, is to blame for Canadian behaviour. So, you can blame the developing world as well. Don't absolve them - do you prefer tribalism and tribal 'justice' in our modern era?

So, Cockroach, Hans, Grasshopper and all of your other support lending incarnations, when al Zarqawi own family admits he is dead today, what's the point of advancing your tinfoil hat conspiracy theory? I mean, how dumb is that?

There isn't a date that any of these swine could get killed on that isn't about "the timing" with you cretin(s).

...."the incredible pressure from the concussion would cause a human body to go paper thin."

What, are you a physicist? Get real! And some linkable facts on that one.

It appears that ants straying off the Kos boards aren't habituated to posting linkable, verifiable facts with their rantings.

Hans Rupprecht at June 8, 2006 01:09 PM

Cut the phony expert crap will you. Sheer, idle, conjecture, bums me out and others I'm sure.

Syncrodox said: (CORRECTION OF EARLIER POST)
Both cases bode well for the war on terrorism. The silent majority of Muslims both in the middle east and in the west need to become more vocal.

Indeed! BUT, we have to stop "pussyfooting" around with *** OUR *** multi-culti pieties -- to be more robust in our thinking to help the vast majority of muslims develop the courage to speak up. There's the rub.

IRAQ: Palestinians flee to borders amid ongoing violence
Posted by NeoOldCon
On 06/08/2006 11:28:49 AM PDT · 3 replies · 168+ views

Reuters ^
IRAQ: Palestinians flee to borders amid ongoing violence 05 Jun 2006 13:53:06 GMT BAGHDAD, 5 June (IRIN) - "Tell the Palestinians in your neighbourhood to leave Iraq or you'll all be killed," said one of Luai Sulaiman's captors after beating him severely and dumping him in the street. ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645743/posts

Z-Man was a Jordanian.

Jordan threw out the "Palestinian refugees".

Saddam was an ally of the "Palestinians".

Muslims killing Muslims. ...

MemeStreams | Al-Zarqawi's Jordan family renounces him
The family of al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, reiterated their strong allegiance to Jordan's King Abdullah II in half-page ... memestreams.net

Penny, I'm not advancing a conspiracy theory. I do believe that Mr. Z. is dead. That's pretty fundamental. I don't think that the US military is providing me with full disclosure of the situation in Iraq, and I don't expect them to. Caution in accepting immediately as the whole truth what's been reported this morning doesn't make one a lunatic. That said, I'd love to get one of those tinfoil hats that everyone's talking about. They sound pretty sweet!

Penny, google "blast injury" and take your pick of 6,080,000 entries. Actually, the second one is from the CDC and a good overview.

Hans, Grasshopper, steve d. and those others advancing the conspiracy throry that the bombs dropped should have vaporized Z.

Could you please outline your scientific qualifications and/or military/police background used to provide such opinions?

Also perhaps include a plausible reason as to what the US military could possibly gain by misrepresenting the cause of death.

Just wondering...

Penny:

As a matter of fact my degree is in mathematics and physics. My former prof previously worked with the Department of National Defence.

The topic for my Advanced Theoretical Physics lecture was:

Shock Waves (also includes the thermonuclear kind)

Interested in some 10 million SPF skin lotion?

In my post, I did not question the fact that Zarqawi was dead, merely the method and why his corpse as pictured (head shot only) looked relatively undisturbed by TWO 500 lb blasts.

Raising a question, doesn't qualify as ranting. I don't think anyone is suddenly going into deep mourning for this person, save his family, given his curriculam vitae in the terror department.

It isn't the first time that disinformation is given out. eg. CIA papers recently reported that the CIA knew about the whereabouts of Adolf Eichmann in 1958 but didn't give him up as it may have reflected badly on certain Adenauer government officials in post war West Germany. The Israelis eventually got to him in 1960.

Similarly, the Soviet regime denied killing Polish officers in the Katyn forest for 60 years, until the Russian govt. admitted it with the release of formerly classified documents.

What is wrong with posing the question? I didn't suggest an answer. Governments as a matter of habit suppress information in times of war. IE WWII, Cold War, etc. We are in a "War on Terror"; it is naive to think that information from either side is full and complete.
If you want to make the argument that some governments are more transparent than others then I would agree with that assessment.

For example, Iran, North Korea aren't what one would describe as open societies.

President Bush and Prime Minister Blair on the other hand have recently came forth and admitted errors were made in Iraq. In particular, they have expressed regret at making phrases such as "Bring it on." and the prison abuse at Abu Graib in respect of the conflict in Iraq. They have admitted these facts weren't particulary helpful.

Of course this was a refreshing piece of honesty, to acknowledge errors and move on. Others, including generals(ret.), have been critical of Rumsfeld in respect of war planning in Iraq, some of it legitimate, other times plainly political posturing.

In times of war, to suggest that a certain amount of disinformation doesn't go on is quite frankly laughable. Consult any reasonably written text on conflict and it should come through ringingly clear. Belligerents as a matter of course try to confuse the enemy, for a variety of strategic, tactical, and political reasons. When the dust is finally settled these reasons slowly come to light sometimes years later.

To suggest something might not pass a smell test, most corpses don't, is hardly ranting. Open questioning of policy and fact, is part of a free and democratic society. That Zarqawi's body wasn't atomized may just be pure luck; but seems a little odd given two 500 lb blasts.

On the other hand, one Marine involved in removing IEDs, (Iraq) was blown clear of a blast without nary a scratch and walked away.

My own grandfather survived not one but three individual artillery barrage events in which his horse was blown to pieces and he walked away without a scratch. (1914-1918 on a four year stint on the Russian front with 3 Iron Crosses 1st Class for his efforts.) If you were a betting person you would say the odds were against him. Some would say it was a miracle he made it back alive.

So yes penny we can do "shitstorms" analysis.

Unusual, but it can happen.

steve d - how timely. I knew you would soon appear to lend weight...."He should have been hamburger"...to the little coven of conspiracy theory moonbats. Amazing isn't it, that 4 posters are so timely in examining different aspects of that theme.

"....when referring to Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him)....."

A nice touch, Hans. It's rare that people with a Rupprecht surname are as thoughtful as Muslims in adding the obligatory "Peace Be Upon Him". Sweet. It establishes you as such a virtuous person.

Here's my problem with your instructive, all inclusive, little homily:

....the prophets get peace, the rest of us get decapitation, bullets, grenades, fertilizer bombs, and maybe in the future a nuke or two.

How peaceful has it been for Mohammed(Like Dracula Before Him) when he's been booked on such a tight schedule the last few years with decapitation videos to feature in, jihads, fatwas, cartoonists to annihilate, gay stonings, the burqa clothing business, big and little civilian bombings, soon nuclear Mohammed, etc?

Actually Hans, it happens more often than you think. I have only been to one autopsy involving a large explosion, and the bodies were quite badly mangled and burned. However, I have read a number of texts on the dynamics of explosions, and I can clearly recall more than one incident where bodies in relatively close proximity were left in considerably different conditions...some in very poor condition and others relatively untouched in appearance, but still equally as dead from the concussive force.

Hi, Bruce - please have another quick look at my post - I didn't intent to draw any conclusions - I was asking questions (mostly to myself), and commenting that I was surprised by how intact his face was (apologies for the gruesome image this may conjure). Anyway, I used to work with a SWAT team in Los Angeles. I'm joking. I haven't a stitch of expertise in these matters (thankfully). Anyway, there's a lot of "us vs them" here (usu. left vs. right), and consequently a tendency to see dissent or even hostility where there is none - in too many cases, remarks that reveal an inquisitive nature or heaven forbid, skepticism, are met with flames. I think we're all glad he's gone, and I for one pray that this will change things for the better.

For those saying the retributions has begun, get a brain. Those attacks in Bagdad today were not planned in 2 hours. Bombs had to have been made, suicide bombers selected, videos made of their reason. Just happened to come within hours of the death. Imas was talking to a reporter Mike B. in Iraq, and mike said it has already started. Imas (no fan of the war) asked for proof this was retaliation, and who was his source. Mike had to admit he couldn't be sure, just asssumed. Al Z has caused more innocent deaths than the US troops. He has used civilians and kids to hide, and he has killed many of them. Yes, a woman and child was also killed today, but why were they there. Look at it this way, she can't produce any more terrorists. I heard a cbc talking female refer to Al Z as Mr. Will the left ever wake up. Some head muslim has called for a summit of all leaders in Canada to discuss extremism in their midst. They must have been reading the blogs and found out, we don't consider them victims, but terrorists, figure they broke their own windows, and generally have not bought the media spin. They are slowly discovering that this government is different and political correctness is slowly going the way of the dodo bird. Multcult will be next. Too bad the cbc and the ppg are still in the dark. Anyone know what happened to those cdns that went to Iraq before the war to be human shields.

OK, let's suppose Zarqawi was shot two days ago instead of being bombed yesterday. If he was shot, doubtless some Iraqi informed on his whereabouts, which means it is equally doubtless that said Iraqi is scared poopless for his life (while dreaming of $25 megabucks). Wouldn't it make sense for the US to protect their source by flattening the place afterwards, and pretending the bomb did him in?

The time for complete honesty about any covert operation is when everyone involved is either dead or has a foot in the grave (cf "Deep Throat"). I'm happy they got him, I don't particularly care how, and if they have to spin a fairy-story to protect their sources, so be it.

Sheesh. Sometimes I think people today would have expected Eisenhower to send Von Runstadt the D-Day plans ahead of time, asking for his approval.

I thought I would respond to a couple points, I am an expert on BDA, you see I am an active duty U.S. Army Officer - Military Intelligence. What you see is a body that shows blast effect damage. Look at his eyes, he probably had blood running out of his mouth and ears as well.

As far as conspiracy theories? I am waiting for the next leap in technology from the Roswell crash. 8-) The last thing, I was born in Canada and grew up in Alberts. My grandfather homesteaded land by Chitek lake so I can speak with a passing familiarity of CDN history and politics. I am glad that Canada has a new prime minister, but that doesn't change the reality that most CDNs have their heads in the sand about the threat from ISLAM, whether it is a militant brand or not. DO you really think Canada would be a democracy if Muslims had settled it first? Just something to think about!

Hans, you can have any bio you want on a message board. You might also be a canine savant somewhere in cyberspace just plain lucky on a keyboard for all we know and care. Your bio means nothing. Verifiable links count.

I don't give a rat's a$$ if Zarqawi's mistress shot him, special forces found him at the morgue(if soon to be the new conspiracy theory, I get the royalties) and then put him next to a bombed house. So what. The scum is dead. It's a war, granted a war you can't wrap your pathetic all-prophets-are-equal mind around.

PS You think most of us don't have WWII vets in our families?

David says it's allright/OK to label Boob Rae,a leadership candidate for the leadership of Liberal Party of Canada, a terrorist stooge.

Remember: David Warren said it: Bob Rae is a Muslim Islamist terrorist stooge. ... -

David Warren is in fine form after his vacation.......

"Do not listen to the nonsense that will be argued, increasingly, by the bed-wetters of the Left in our academic and media establishments, who blame the terror not on its perpetrators, but on their own domestic political opponents. In particular, now that Parliament has affirmed our troops will remain in Afghanistan until 2009, anyone who demands a quicker exit should be
publicly labelled as the terrorists’ stooge."
via newsbeat1.com

Something to keep in mind:

[Bush] did add, "Zarqawi's death is a severe blow to al Qaeda. It's a victory in the global war on terror." But Bush did not mention that it was his invasion of Iraq that fully allied Zarqawi with al Qaeda. Prior to the war, terrorism experts considered Zarqawi more of a rival than a partner. And he did not mention that four years ago--before Zarqawi had become a major terrorist figure and before he had become responsible for the deaths of hundreds (if not thousands)--the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could.

The rest here.

Jane Tabor, sitting in for Mike Duffy, just referred to Al Z as the Al Quaida official from Iraq. She made him appear almost statesman-like.

Phil, thanks for that post. The point I was trying to get across was similar to what you are saying. I realize simply pointing the figure is a poor way to deal with things. Using "blame" was really just poor wording on my part I guess. What I meant to say was, that our western governments have made mistakes and are still making mistakes that I think should be changed. By "blame" I meant we need to make sure the issues are raised in order to ensure the mistakes are not repeated.

"How can we truly deal with the factors that led to today - be they corruption, poverty and yes, US foreign policy - if we are constantly trying to defend ourselves from these jerks who seek to kill all, even Muslims, who they have deemed (in their self-appointed court)as unworthy and marked for death."

Undoubtedly in places like Iraq it will be very hard, but we have to ensure that if the country stabilizes we provide adequate support to make sure any democracy that does take root is not weakened from lack of first world support.
I think we would both agree on this.

Thanks for the well thought out response,I hope I'm making myself clear.

"four years ago ... the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could"

Hindsight is 20/20. The Clinton White House chose not to get bin Laden. You don't always know everything you need to know at the time.

ET,
if you read my post you'll see I said the first world including the US. I only used the US as an example, because it was the example that was used throughout the thread. I have my problems with Canadian foreign policy too.

"
And remember, someone, not the US, is to blame for the US behaviour. And someone, not Canada, is to blame for Canadian behaviour"

I'm sorry but I don't have time to name every person in the US who i think is to blame. Referring to the US or socialist or terroists in general seems to be the norm on this site.

...the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could.

......says, David Corn, a partisan lefty syncophant writer at The Nation, a known left publication.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17658

So Drago, your point? An established lefty writer from a very lefty magazine writes an anti-Bush article ......and? Keep what in mind?

"kmm - with such linear regressive thinking, everyone is to blame for all the problems everywhere."

Are you denying that there may be more than one variable that has caused this situation. If not, I don't understand.........well I don't understand either way. Please explain.

S. Baker:

Well seeing as my expertise is not in dealing with corpses suffering traumatic concussion, I will defer to your experience in this matters.

As to the threat of a radical extremist Islam; no head in the sand here. I am not expecting an alien invasion either. 8-)

Given our recent arrests here, I think we have got the "heads up and heads still on our shoulders."

Given Al Qaeda has suggested the following in their manual the political/theological killer virus is on the loose.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/manualpart1.html

Missions Required of the Military Organization:
The main mission for which the Military Organization is
responsible is:
The overthrow of the godless regimes and their replacement with
an Islamic regime. Other missions consist of the following:
1. Gathering information about the enemy, the land, the
installations, and the neighbors.
2. Kidnaping enemy personnel, documents, secrets, and arms.
3. Assassinating enemy personnel as well as foreign tourists.
4. Freeing the brothers who are captured by the enemy.
5. Spreading rumors and writing statements that instigatepeople against the enemy.
6. Blasting and destroying the places of amusement, immorality,
and sin; not a vital target.
7. Blasting and destroying the embassies and attacking vital
economic centers.
8. Blasting and destroying bridges leading into and out of the cities.

Free inquiry doesn't mean stupid inquiry. Respect for other faiths doesn't mean acceptance of violence as a method of political "persuasion" through fear.

Which is also why one has some concern about Iran as they espouse some of the same thinking eg:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15E6BF77-6F91-46EE-A4B5-A3CE0E9957EA.htm

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government rallies.

Secondly, it is reported that you have made the statement that the Holocaust did not happen.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/60AE1720-F333-4869-974D-3B69283105BF.htm

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has again caused international outcry by repeating his view that the Holocaust was a myth.

In a speech broadcast live on state television on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Zahedan: "They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves.

"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream."

Iranian Constitution it is noted that in respect of an ideological Army:

An Ideological Army
In the formation and equipping of the country's defence forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria. Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God's way; that is, extending the sovereignty of God's law THROUGHOUT THE WORLD (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse "Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them" [8:60]).

It has to be plainly obvious to anyone that a hostile and virulent form of faith has taken root in the Islamic community. Further, it is up to their members to begin the arduous task of educating their members in the ways of peace if it is to find acceptance in the western world. There are plenty of passages in the Koran which speak to peace and mercy. It matters on what spin the adherent wants to put on particular passages.

Self-justifying revelation for mindless acts of violence in the long run are going to go nowhere; but the same path as Hitler. So in my view the members of the Islamic community need to be more proactive about the youth that are susceptible to being misled.

Adolf tried the same thing with the Christian faith; I don't think for a second that the western world is going wait around for a replay this time substituting the Islamic faith.

Try this substitution:

Perhaps we could amend Adolf Hitler’s quote as follows:

Today (Mulims) Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy (Islam) Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the (Muslim) Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past ... (few) years. [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator.

By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work. [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

Sound familiar? If you don't see a replay of the past, one has to be willfully blind.

Curious too that the Germans used the Aryans(Iranians) as part of their eschatology of manifest wars of destiny.

Well 40 million people later, perhaps we have had quite enough of “burning out the poison of immorality”.

It is time to leave pseudo-science and pseudo-religion and enter the real world.

So yes, I think all can plainly see the storm clouds gathering.

I see evil, I hear evil, ...

Just how big an evil will the West permit before it is too late?

Jesus was right: Those who live by the sword will die by it.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at June 8, 2006 02:35 PM

Uh, Revant, I don't know how to tell you this but OUR military, representing Canada, is how you say?, living by the sword as we speak.
Do you think this has any bearing on how we will die?

The CBC ran Nick Berg's latest diatribe today. Reuters and Agence Press got a reaction to Zarquawi death from him, so the MotherCorp naturally thinks this is big news.

I almost certainly wasted my time by sending the following complaint to CBC:

"Why is this judged to be news? Why is the CBC running this piece? Berg is a noted and fanatic hater of Bush. He has close connections with Move.On and other undemocratic anti-Bush organisations. In what way are his views relevant, except as simple anti-American provocation by the CBC?

The CBC is not reporting news with this story, it is deliberately manufacturing it. That Reuters and Agence Press sought Berg out to get totally predictable quotes from a fanatic should be clear even to the blinkered "journalists" of the CBC."

but it passes the time.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/14772959.htm

More details on Zaqawi's demise:

Type of munitions used etc.

adnabee said: "A man died today, along with many innocent civilians. Yes, he was an extremely bad person, and (likely...so we are told) masterminded and/or was involved in many killings.

Is this really a "victory"? Is this "justice",..."

Yes, adnabee. Hamas, one of the Muslim Islamist terrorist gangs endorsed by the Canadian Union Of Public Employees (CUPE), joins with you in deep mourning. +

Hamas mourns death of Al Zarqawi in 'savage crusade campaign'
Posted by billorites
On 06/08/2006 3:13:08 PM PDT

Haaretz.com ^ | June 8, 2006 | Reuters
The ruling Palestinian faction Hamas on Thursday deplored the killing by U.S. warplanes of the al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, describing him as a casualty of a crusade against Arabs and Muslims. Hamas had distanced itself in the past from violence abroad blamed on al Qaeda, but in a statement faxed to Reuters after Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. air strike north of Baghdad on Wednesday,it said it mourned the Jordanian-born insurgent as a "martyr of the (Muslim Arab) nation". "With hearts full of faith, Hamas commends brother-fighter Abu Musab ... who was martyred at the...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645860/posts

AP, Ass-ociated Press uses "militants" instead of Muslim Islamist terrorists. +

Israeli Airstrike Kills Top Hamas Enforcer in Gaza
Posted by pleikumud
On 06/08/2006 2:47:34 PM PDT · 29 replies · 390+ views

Fox News/AP ^ | Thursday, June 08, 2006
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD Israeli Airstrike Kills Top Hamas Enforcer in Gaza RAFAH, Gaza Strip — An Israeli air strike Thursday on a Palestinian militants' training camp killed the Hamas government's security chief, Jamal Abu Samhadana, his militant faction and Palestinian hospital officials said. The Israeli military confirmed striking the Popular Resistance Committees camp in the southern Gaza town of Rafah, saying militants there were planning a large-scale attack on Israel. It said "the camp was the target" when asked if Abu Samhadana, the No. 2 man on Israel's wanted list, had been the target. His body was incinerated but...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse

It would appear that "rabies" appears to infect those of the right-leaning perspective as they do those of the left-leaning perspective. There have been a few very "rabid" responses to very innocent questions above.

Big bombs and little apparent damage to the body (at least what's visible)...seems reasonable to raise the question that perhaps some other form of death may have been the cause. But, as Hans admitted and Bruce agreed, anything's possible.

Simply questioning the presented facts shouldn't get you labelled as a cretin or terrorist sympathiser. "Trust but verify" as the saying goes..."trust blindly" is foolishness.

Ding dong, the Zed is dead!
Which old Zed?
The wicked old Zed!
Ding dong the wicked Zed is dead!

Wake up you sleepy head,
Rub your eyes, get out of bed
Ding dong the wicked Zed is dead.

He's gone where the Muzzies go,
Below, below, below,
Yo Ho!
Let's open up and sing,
And ring the bells for...

Ding dong the Zed is dead!
Which old Zed?
The wicked old Zed!
Ding dong the wicked Zed is dead!

(apologies to Dorothy and her gang)

Zarqawi's Final Atrocities
Human Events Online ^ | 06/08/06 | Richard Minitier

Posted on 06/08/2006 2:17:06 PM PDT by MikeA

If you are looking for the legacy of Abu Musab al Zarqawi, do not look in the concrete rubble of so-called safe house in Baqubah that became his final resting place. Instead, look less than 10 miles to the west, on the side of the road in the desert town of Hadid, for a pile of cardboard banana boxes.

Inside those boxes were nine human heads.

Some of the heads still had their blindfolds on. Iraqi police are still attempting to identify the murdered men.

Days earlier, in Baquba, Iraqi police found another eight severed heads. One of those heads belonged to a prominent Sunni Muslim imam, who preached peace and tolerance.

For the past few weeks, U.S. military intelligence analysts had seen a spike in beheadings—a specialty of the Zarqawi network.

Of course, Zarqawi will be remembered chiefly as a beheader. He apparently enjoyed wielding the knife and slowly hacking off the head of Nicholas Berg of West Chester, Pa. In a video that Zarqawi’s followers proudly posted on the Internet, Berg screams in pain in seven long minutes as Zarqawi saws through his neck.

Zarqawi also is believed to have beheaded Eugene Armstrong of Hillsdale, Mich.

Zarqawi is also believed to have beheaded Ken Bigley, the Liverpool, U.K.-based engineer who came to Iraq “to help people,” in October 2004.

Now it is Zarqawi’s own head that is capturing the world’s attention. Displaying his head has several immediate benefits. ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645838/posts

We interrupt this pr ... -

Jordan arrests Zarqawi's brother-in-law and an Al Jazeera journalist live!
Posted by Velveeta
On 06/08/2006 1:50:47 PM PDT · 160 replies · 3,253+ views

counterterrorismblog.org ^ | June 8, 2006 | Olivier Guitta
In fact, a few hours ago, while an Al Jazeera journalist was interviewing Abu Kadama, Zarqawi's brother-in-law in Zarqa, Jordan, the broadcast was suddenly interrupted, most probably by Jordan. Because when the journalist came back on the air, he said that Abu Kadama had just been arrested by Jordanian services. Then a second sudden interruption occured, and when the Al Jazeera anchor appeared, he announced that his journalist colleague had also been arrested by Jordan. Keep in mind that Jordan's King Abdullah was one of Zarqawi's main targets. In light of recent foiled Al Qaeda attacks in Jordan, it seems...
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Penny:

I am very well aware that David Corn is "an established lefty writer from a very lefty magazine". The whole point was to offer a different perspective - in this case, the point that Zarqawi was a virtual nothing in Iraq before the war (there weren't suicide bombings on a near-daily basis), so taking him out now is basically cleaning up a mess that was created and doesn't even represent a net zero on the grand scale. I'm happy that they got him, but time will tell what it means.

You can argue the point if you wish, but instead you chose to attack the messenger. And who did you choose to cite for your critique of "an established lefty writer from a very lefty magazine"? The established righty writer from a very righty website, David Horowitz. Ironic, don't you think?

Hans Rupprecht :
Snipers bullit, or bomb? Does it really matter?
One less maniac amoung the living.

I hope his victims where waiting for him at the other end, once the head shot hit.

Penny
This is just for you, because I know you will sleep better after having read this. You will find it reassuring.

Zarqi wasn't killed at all. Nope. Truth is that picture was taken by someone while he was sleeping. You see, America never catches the real big terrorists, no because if they did how could they justify carrying on this Military Industrial Complex dream...a neverending war. They've spent 380 billion so far. The industry is awash in money. This is bigger than WW2 already and it will go on indefinitely!
No, they can't kill the very guys that make this all possible. Zarqi and Binnie are their meal ticket for the indefinite future. They just posed him and claim a kill to keep the homies happy. Every once in a while you have to bring the homies a trophy or else they get discouraged and wanna bring everyone home.

Maz2, when I read Warren's "the bed-wetters of the Left" after breakfast, I thought that he had become an SDA. It finally occurred to me that what I had always considered to be his drivel actually was the intellectual language of the Right.

Steve d.

Do I have to explain the obvious?

What he meant if you read it in its context. Is that those who live by violence , like the zealots of his day.
Will die by there own methods.

This rage in the ends eats them up & spits them out. The spiritual lesson is plain. Hate & violence destroys ones soul.

This has nothing to do with police or Soldiers who's job is to secure us FROM Violence.

They resort to violence under Civilian Elected control. Not out of spite, hate, anger, but to protect those who are intimidated. They also reconstruct as well as destroy.

Jesus remember, healed a Roman Centurions daughter. A lot of ex military & serving soldiers where followers than & latter.

He knew like the rest of us civilization is kept together by a thin band of Men & Women willing to die for others. Hardly revolutionaries as the verse was meant for.

Do you think AlZ is enjoying all those virgins, or has he discovered that he and all those that went before him are burning in hell. Too bad he still has his head attached. It has been very educational today, listening the most of the msm trying to make this a non story. Peter M on the national tonight had a panel, discussing the plot, and wondering how it was playing in vancouver, and other parts of Canada. Was it as big a story as it was in the east. They guy from Vancouver basically said, reading between the lines, hey, the rest of canada doesn't worship at the altar of Toronto. Peter looked shocked. He also said BC had air india, and other provinces have had their own problems. My take is the rest of canada thinks this is a wake up call, and seens Ont and the cbc think it is just a bunch of wackos having fun.

Here is my take on the CBC and other media of the same ilk. If the Harper government chokes off their funding and they die a most deserved natural death, lefties will say that a valuable public voice has been silenced and that it was all done in the name of censorship and silencing a moderate bla bla bla bla.

I say we let them live and continue to spew their blather. Lets keep them all in one place. At least there we can keep an eye on them and the drivel they spew. Choke them off and they infiltrate the other media and, like a virus, infect other media and personnel. We can never silence them - lets just quarantee them in just a few places. Also, lets keep exposing them for the frauds and apologists of terrorists that they are.

"Too bad he still has his head attached. It has been very educational today, listening the most of the msm trying to make this a non story"

I find it hard to believe your watching the same cbc as I am. Considering that this story seems to be the only thing on the cbc aside from hockey, saying they're making it a non story seems strange. Don't get me wrong I've got problems with the media too, but CBC seems to provide the best coverage. Devoting 10-15minutes every night to these diverse panels with people on them willing to say things such as "the rest of canada doesn't worship at the altar of Toronto" is really what they seem to do best in my opinion.