Before we get too relieved about the arrest and prevention of a terrorist attack in Canada, remember; Imigrants or not, in Canada we have protection under the Charter of Rights and freedoms. The writer of that Charter, Pierre Elliot Trudeau. The ONE who was NOT worried about the last world terrorist, Adolf Hitler.... On a motorcycle, with a NAZI Helmet, on a street, in Canada.

The terrorists arrested are "Canadian residents from a variety of backgrounds". Not "Canadian citizens" but "Canadian residents"

"Adherents of an ideology inspired by Al-Qaeda" - not Al-Qaeda directed, but sympathetic to Al-Qaeda? I don't buy it. One of those arrested has likely been playing the role of recruiter.

"This operation does not reflect badly on any ethno-cultural group in Canada".

"We're not prepared at this time to expose what any of the targets were"

"The TTC was not a target"

"Our information is that they did participate in training together. Altogether" (in confirming there was a training camp)

One brain trust of a reporter asked what the electronics being displayed as evidence was for. "To cause the explosion". The "Well, duh" moment so far.

Al Qaeda isn't a centrally directed terrorist organization. 'Jihad' is islamofascism and is not necessarily run only by Al Qaeda.

As I've remarked on several sites, I think that a major cause of this behaviour is multiculturalism, which locks people into identities defined by ethnicity,and/or 'country of origin'.

Multiculturalism forces immigrants to identify themselves only within a spatial and temporal reality that is 'negative', i.e., 'not here in this environment', not here in this culture' and 'the way it used to be back in the old country'. In Canada and Europe, we promote this type of identification. We think we are being 'accepting of them' by this act. In reality, it works to alienate and isolate them as perennial Others.

It works to prevent youth from developing, by themselves, a new collaborative identity directly relevant to the new country - the new physical environment (Canada), the new economic environment (industrial, market)and develop a new cultural identity that is relevant, that collaboratively INCLUDES all immigrants and all current residents as part of this population and that acknowledges a modern economy.

This profound alienation, which 'stops dead' the development of any relevant modern identity and insists that they can only repeat the past (which is not relevant here) forces these youth into a search for another encompassing identity.

Remember, their old ways are not relevant in a modern economy; they are not permitted to develop a modern all-Canadian identity; they are locked into being clones of a particular culture that is kept as an isolate ghetto in Canada.

So, they are prime targets for Islamofascism, which nurtures a broader and deeply emotional inclusiveness, which moves then out of the ethnic ghettoes multiculturalism has put them into.

The step to terrorism is almost inevitable, for they have no ties to the society in which they happen to live. No ties to the rest of the population, for we have set up each group as isolate and separate. No focus on collaboration with other groups to develop a shared identity relevant in N. America. This intellectual and emotional alientation sets up a 'schizoid' group and criminality and terrorism is the result.

Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with poverty. But, if you set up people in isolate ghettoes, locked within an irrelevant culture, and prevent them from developing a shared culture - they'll do it anyway. But, this shared culture happens to be islamofascism rather than Canadian.

a)down play the story---check
b)weave it into a conspiracy-)"It's a CIA/Zionist plot"--check

I'd like to add 1 more-judging by the situation in the UK.

c)hand-wringing over targeting "ethnic minorities" leading to political appointments to token commitees to discuss how to deny reality. Nice work if you can get it. Should be a real hoot.

Let us hope that the investigation reveals who knew in the muslim community and said nothing.

Wonder if the NSA had anything to do with this capture. Phone calls into the USA from suspicious sources are monitored. Maybe all those anti-bushites in toronto should say thank you.

What a load of rubbish, the conspiracy theorists and the hate Bush/Harper crowd will be working full time to downplay this - not in Canada oh no...its all a plot by Harper LMAO They need to take their heads out of their collective butts and come back to reality.

First,credit where credit is due.
WELL DONE!!! to the RCMP,CSIS,OPP and all others who have saved a lot of Canadians from death and suffering...BRAVO!!!

I must admit however that I am immediately concerned when I see terrorism intersecting with the YOA.I hope they are not home for dinner tonight after our chickensh*t justices get involved.

ET - who is this "you" that "sets up" immigrants in "ghettos" in this country? They come, they sign the forms, and they go out the door. Where they end up is up to them.

How about this - they come, they live whereever they want, and they live under our rule of law - which includes not conspiring to blow us up.

Islamofascism is a mind-control suicide cult. We must crush it.

Yes, well done indeed.

But it does remind us of the axiom - we need to get it right every time. The terrorists only need to get it right once.

I propose a new terrorist prison - on Banks Island in the High Arctic. They could stay warm by hugging a muskox.

"Meanwhile, a quiet Mississauga neighbourhood got a shocking visit from ETF officers who stormed the new subdivision and busted down the door of a Rosehurst Dr"

I live a mile from Rosehurst Dr. I haven't been on that street, but I would guess the house prices start at around $400K. Some ghetto.

Counting down to the first moonbat to blame this averted attack on Stephen Harper being elected PM. Five.. four.. three.. two...

ET, I agree with some of your points. But, one of the enduring problems here and Europe with immigrant Muslims is their resistence to assimilation in secular democracies. They self-segregate as the Koran expects and instructs them to do.

I think Islam is more of the problem than the multi-culti paradigm. The multi-culti garbage is its insistence that no culture can be deemed flawed.

Or maybe we are both saying the same thing in different ways.

Listening for 10 minutes with the only word(?) giving any reference to: Islam, Muslims, Islamist terrorists, Islamist jihad, and etc., was "Al-Queda".

The Islamist terrorists captured may well have been Greenlanders from Greenland.

Political correctness is killing Canada.

shaken said: "Let us hope that the investigation reveals who knew in the muslim community and said nothing."

Where are Dr. Mohamed Elmasry and Liberal Member of Parliament, Omar Alghabra?

"Canadian residents from a variety of backgrounds, inspired by Al Qaeda"

A variety of backgrounds? Why the effort to bend over backward and deny that the perps are Muslim? What is wrong with the idiots in the press?

Reporters: "Stuck on Stupid" since , well, al long time.

I swear to god, if I asked questions like that in my professional life the kind that bone-headed questions reporters do every day, I'd be fired within a week.

I don't expect EVERY reporter to know every nuance of everything, but you'd expect a basic knowledge of police/legal procedure for most , that political reporters in Ottawa would have some historical background, and that correspondants in war zones would know as much as say a sports reporter knows about the sport he is covering... Sigh.

How ARE reporters hired, anyway?

Lackawana, NY isn't that far away from this. It make you wonder just where the tenacles spread.

The moonbattery has already begun folks:

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=009015

To their credit, some on this thread are non-insane. One writes: "3 tons of amoniam nitrate is just a figment of Harpers imagination?????? I am no fan of Harper or the conservatives......they were arrested after a long investigation."

"I propose a new terrorist prison - on Banks Island in the High Arctic. They could stay warm by hugging a muskox."

what do you have against Muskox ?? :)

It didn't long, Kate.

Here's some quotes from rabble:

Josh"Yeah, I'll be interested to see if there is more than mere suspicion behind this. As I have predicted, Harper and Co. will attempt to use the "terror" threat to create a compliant and supportive populace and media (those that aren't already in that camp). I have a feeling these arrests are 90% political 10% threat."

NYCNDP: "Exactly. Shrub's poodle, Harper (a bi-lingual clone of Blair, no less), has managed to create a hysteria aimed at immigrants. They're whipping up a frenzy about some "TTC Plot" and picked people out to arrest. All to get suport for more money for CSIS, to help Shrub-Chimp. Go figure."

My opinion: Congrats to our security forces for finding this out before any deaths! Good work!

Beware of how the left MSm spins this story!
Only last week some stalwart appeaser Lib Senators were taking Peter MacKay to task about Canada's role in Afghanistan.
MSM will not be long trying to tie the terrorist cells here to events in Afghanistan as well. Who will be first? CBC? Toronto Star? Globe & Mail? CTV?

168 people died in the Oklahoma City bombing with 1 tonne of ammonium nitrate. It frightens me to think the havok 3 tonnes in Toronto would cause.

A Young Offender Islamic terrorist makes his first court appearance.

"OK, young Mohammed. Now, do you know where you are? You're in a courtroom. Have you ever seen a courtroom on TV? OK, good.

"Now, do you know who I am? No, I'm not the representative of the Zionist oppressor. Although I am Jewish. How very perceptive of you. I can see you and I are going to have some useful dialogue here.

"Mohammed, has your lawyer explained to you why you're here? Which lawyer? Oh, that's right, you have three of them here. OK, well, have any of them explained why you're here? OK.

"Mohammed, you're here because somebody has accused you of planning to do very bad things. And we're here to see whether we can help you. No, no, not help you do the very bad thing. No, that's not our purpose. What is our purpose, then? OK, that's a tough one. I know there are cultural-linguistic challenges that are going to face us as we grapple with that one.

"I guess, Mohammed, that our purpose is to make sure you come out of all of this with your head held high. You're a young offender, so that means we, as an enlightened society, don't hold you to the same standard as we do "real criminals".

"No, Mohammed, when you turn 18 next week, you'll still be coming to this court. No, we don't send you automatically to adult court. We know you're just too young to handle the shock of dealing with those people.

"OK, down to business. We're here today to decide what to do with you. Yes, I know Mohammed. The Young Offenders facility isn't a nice place. Yes, I understand how being around such bad people has hurt you. We're really sorry about that, and we'll see what we can do here. OK, I'm ready to hear submissions on release.

"Yes, I understand Mohammed is a first-time offender. Uh huh. That's good to hear. He's kept his nose clean to this point. Well, clearly we can't have him return to the YO facility.

"Is there a parent here to take custody of young Mohammed? His father was arrested last night. How about his mother? Still being sought. OK, I guess that's out. Any other family? His uncles were also arrested. Is there a spiritual leader? His iman is being sought too. OK, clearly that's not an alternative.

"I see there's a representative of social services here. Do you have anywhere you can take this young man until we've got through things here?

"A foster home? That would be ideal. Please make the arrangements.

"Tell the foster parent about the charges he's facing? You aren't serious. You know we have to respect young Mohammed's right to privacy."

Andrew Coyne has the names of the Islamic scumbags.

shaken - the 'you' is our social and educational system that focuses on identifying yourself within a particular ethnic group. You are then defined, socially and in our school system, as a representative of that group.

By 'ghetto' I don't mean that they live in one defined area, though, the multicultural focus does mean that ethnic groups tend to cluster in particular areas in cities.

Penny - yes, islamism is a particular problem, one that readily moves into fascism. Islam hasn't evolved and moved itself into a moderate version. Other religions have moved out of their early locations in tribal economies and have modernized themselves. Islam remains a tribal religion and is primarily a social system (rather than a religion); intensely tribal and isolationist.

But, multiculturalism promotes and enables this isolationism. That's my point. So, if you have a society that inhibits assimilation and insists on ethnic and religion isolation, AND, then you add a religion that refuses to modernize and is rejecting modernization by moving into fascism, THEN, you've got a home-made population of youths who will zip right into fascism.

Ontario residents can rest knowing that these potential terrorists did not use or have dogs, and would protect their health by not smoking in public while planting their bombs. There were also raids in London yesterday, any connection. Lets build a prison for them all on Hans Island.
Can't wait for layton to comment on this. Will this wake up those leftists in Toronto, those that think we were mean to the khdars, should not deport illegals, everyone deserves a second chance, blah blah blah. Nowhere in the news conference did I hear them say they were born in canada, only that they are residents or citizens of canada. I am sure the US will again be watching the border and demand an ID card for cdns. Wonder if the people of Toronto will stay home today, or still go to malls, take the subway
or go to other public places. Message to Monte, tighten up immigration requirements, deport everyone ordered deported, find them and send them on their way, and if any are involved in this raid, seize all their and their parents property. Also seize the assets of anyone who knew about this and did nothing.

As I was watching the press report on TV I was asking myself--would we have seen anything like this under the LIberals? NO!!! How refreshing that the RCMP and CSIS are allowed to work as police should--protecting Canadians.
Now it we can just get the courts on side with reality. And if we could get the same police/justice excellent work to protect individuals--after all--rapists do not perform their despicable acts out of love--to the person being raped they are also terrorsits, as are home invaders, gun runners, bank robbers and, horror of horrors--young offenders! Time to get tough on all crime.

BC Monkey said: "Counting down to the first moonbat to blame this averted attack on Stephen Harper being elected PM. Five.. four.. three.. two..."

There must be 5,400 (H/T Joe Volpe) moonbats blaming Harper/Bush already.

Below is a copy from a snake from Voy Forums, aka "bigroy", a regular there. The snake works in at the end a reference to "Gitmo"; it is the standard, left liberal moonbat, Aunty-American ad americanum.

The snake has poison in its open mouth.

This abominable snake, "bigroy", swallows 3 tons of fertilizer; he still can spew his venom.

...

Subject: Harper uncourageous & cowardly.

Harper is identified by D'Allaire as uncourageous.

I identify him as cowardly.

His job is to protect our democracy, but he leads the authorities, when he knows:

1. those arrested are arrested without charges
2. those arrested are arrested without access to lawyers
3. those arrested are arrested without access to a magistrate
4. those arrested are arrested without the right to a bail hearing
5. those arrested are arrested without a right to know the evidence against them
6. those arrested are arrested without a court hearing

Now - unless anyone on this board can show where it's a good thing that arrests can be made ... in Canada ... without basic constitutional rights and democratic freedoms, lessee if the gov't has the balls to take 'em to court.

We've a strong democracy - a strong legal system and a strong people.

We don't need to be "protected" by ancient, undemocratic methods.

We don't need another Gitmo in Canada
http://www.voy.com/178771/968.html

qwerty,

The real question is how much was used in the first world trade centre bombing. To understand the power even more, Ohlahoma went off in an open area, deisappating the force to some degree.

This stuff is for bringing down buildings. Imagine 3 tonnes in parking garage of some unanmed bank tower in downtown, or underneathe the ACC or Rogers Centre....The CN tower would be very difficult to bring down, also hard to get close to without a suicide truck...not an unthinkable thought....but I dont know if the force from 3 tonnes in open air is enough

My personal concern..THE internet hb for Canada is across the street from my building. There is a parking garage underneath it. The police mentioned infrastructure.....I wish they would release the target list.

But to repeat this was about bringing down a building, the question is which one or was it multiple buildings.

Finally, was it being coordinated in to coincide with the UK a kind of "day of rage" from the Islamofascits. Multiple targets is a hallmakr of AQ and those who are inspired by it...smart strategy to so nothing uniwque there....

Watching and waiting.

ET, thanks for clarifying.

IMHO, who cares about culture. Do whatever you want. Assimilate, comingle, ghetto-ize. Whatever floats your boat. Similarly, I don't give two hoots about multi-cult - I won't "celebrate" it, I just don't care where you come from or what you like to eat - all I care is that you leave me alone. That means you don't plot to bomb my family out of existence.

There are two opiats at work here. First, the ones our Librano fools self-administered that blinded them to the Jamaican gun cult and the Islamofascist threat, and the other is dealt by power-hungry misogenist Imams, turning the "Religion of Peace" into a disease of the mind.

No word yet from the feminists over at Rabble about women's right in Islam... brings new meaning to the expression "let's get stoned"...

Of course the arrested get the presumption of innocence: thats why their names are released, so the government can't just disappear people, BUT I want to thank the Canadian Security Community for their preventitive efforts. STANDING ON GUARD FOR THEE!

...So, uh...were they going to blow stuff up because they hate our freedoms? Or because we invaded Afghanistan and are currently killing Muslims there? Or, given our ridiculous open door/no paperwork required joke immigration system, is the question "why" a moot point?

"The TTC was not a target"

The point is irrelevant... Somebody, somewhere was a target.

Look what treasures our liberal immigration policy brought us! Yup, keep voting liberal, Ontarians! You get most of the bad guys anyway!

maz2 said "The Islamist terrorists captured may well have been Greenlanders from Greenland."

I think you may be right, it is the DANISH connection with those people who like Car-B-Qs for meal preparation. :)

With 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate, I imagine if you placed it all after hours in a tall building near critical structural supports, the terrorists would have achieved the desired effect.

But hey, if you belong to the life is cheap, crowd then they have been making the wrong choice:

Like the old good book says:

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving The Lord your God, obeying His voice, and cleaving to Him; for that means life to you and length of days, that you may dwell in the land which The Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." (Deuteronomy 30:1-20 RSV)

Of course it is a no-brainer for most normal people that they choose life to see their normal length of days. Which is why the first poster B Hoax Aware got it right that the terrorist Hitler got it wrong by choosing death.

You see the Islamofacists are making a habit of choosing death, which is pretty inconvenient for those who live in their midst. Because after all if you choose death there is NO Promised Land.
The radical Islamist jihadists need some reeducation on these interesting theological points.

soccermom - these youths are not all recent immigrants; they can be second generation, as are many from non-Islamic countries.

I maintain that there are two problems. One is Islam itself, which as penny pointed out, is a problem. The problem is its refusal to evolve and modernize and reform itself from a fundamentalist tribal ideology. The other problem is multiculturalism, which rejects assimilation and insists on immigrants remaining isolate in dead-end old world cultures.

Rejecting assimilation means that you are confined to your 'ethnic group'. Since that ethnic group is ideologically empty here (you can't maintain an old world culture in a different environment) then, the young people are also ideologically empty.

Islamic fascism moves in like an epidemic virus. It provides bonding, a tremendous feeling of belonging outside of your local ethnic group, a sense of a glorious future, a deeply emotive companionship. No fraternity can match it for allegiance!

So - there are two causes. The Middle East and Israel-Palestine are NOT causes; they are just convenient 'proximate causes'. Colonialism is NOT a cause; that's just guilt tripping.

The basic causes are first, Islam, which is stuck in tribalism, hasn't modernized and can't enable its members to participate in the modern world. The isolation from this is compounded by, second, multiculturalism, which insists that you remain in that ethnic group and not assimilate. The alienated population are then ripe for the virus of fascism.

Going on some of the moonbat blogs is so typical.
Blame Harper, blame bush, blah, blah, 'these young men were going to use the ammonium nitrate to fertilize a vegetable garden they were growing to help feed the starving orphans that Harper throughout on the street', or other garbage to that effect. So typical. In reality, in the RCMP and CCIS are working properly, Harper was most likely only briefed about the raids shortly before they happened.

ET, totally agree with your last paragraph. We really see that here in B.C.

A cbc female just said, in interviewing someone, something inferring those arrested were born in Canada. I want to see their birth cetificates. The press conference said, no identifiable group, look at the names, so what else did the misinform us about-no transportation facilities were targets. The justice minister should immediatley ammend the YOA to allow names to be published. For too many years bad people have used the under 18 to carry out criminal acts knowing they could not be named or would not face jail. So, many might be first offenders, do you want them free on bail till they blow up your bldg. I think the attack was scheduled for June 6, 2006. Isn't 666 the sign of the beast. Did the supplier of ammoniam nitrate inform the authorities of the order, if so, good on them.

Dawg isn't commenting today, was he arrested? lol

Remember Mr. "X", the "suicide" at the donut shop in Toronto? Who was Mr. "X"? ...

Missing: One Suicide Vest

Yesterday we noted that London police raided a house where chemical weapons of some kind were apparently being produced. Today comes the chilling news that a chemical suicide vest is believed to be missing:

British police were searching for a "suicide vest" laced with dangerous chemicals after a raid of the alleged bomb factory yielded two suspects but no vest.

Police think the vest has been made and will be set off at a busy bus or train station, or in a crowd watching a World Cup game in a local pub, The Times said.

Law enforcement officers wearing oxygen masks and chemical protection gear raided the London house after receiving a tip that the vest had been assembled. The Times reports Scotland Yard thinks the vest was put together in the house. ...
powerline news

Hey, this is Canuckistan, we'll have no racial profiling here. I'm just waiting for Mr. Dithers and friends to demand that we stripsearch 17 seventy-year old Polish nuns just to balance things out.

MaryT wonders what nonsense Jumpin' Jack Flash will spout, now that a bunch of Islamofascists have been arrested in the GTA?

I can just hear it now: Hey, these guys' human rights haven't been respected. These guys are not only immigrants, they're a minority group AND victims of discrimination in this country. Like the line from the street gang in "West Side Story," they're "deprived."

Jack and company are going to start worrying about a back lash, like the Muslims in Virginia are worried about, reported on the CBC yesterday. They'll start worrying about the safety of Muslims in Canada and about their "rights" which are probably being denied them.

Never mind that the rights of 3000 plus citizens of the U.S., Canada, and other countries were barbarically violated by airplanes ploughing into the Twin Towers five years ago. Never mind that the rights of citizens and minority groups in Muslim countries are all but non-existent. These denials of human rights don't concern our intrepid and oh-so-tolerant, multi-culti lefties and members of the MSM.

Never mind that millions of North Americans' rights and freedoms are in jeopardy because of fanatic Islamofascist terrorists living amongst us; excuse me, Jack has just corrected me: These guys are "freedom fighters."

All that matters is that because the men arrested belong to a minority group in Canada they are, by definition, victims of awful things: racism, bigotry, red neckism, discrimination, yada, yada, yada.

What PLANET do Jack and all the other nutbars who line up with him live on? Obviously one on which there is a perverted death wish and a decidedly twisted perspective on reality. They will be more worried about a possible backlash against Muslims in Canada, than being concerned about the continued threat of terrorism to Canadian citizens by Islamist fanatics whose express purpose is to wipe us out.

Jack and co. live in a parallel universe to that inhabited by most sane and clear-thinking people. But the Charter of Rights and Freedoms will be hauled out in defence of the Islamist terrorists. Upside down world, or what?

ET's right on the money re who the "you" is: "[T]he 'you' is our social and educational system that focuses on identifying yourself within a particular ethnic group. You are then defined, socially and in our school system, as a representative of that group."

Here's a copy of my post on another thread, which provides hard, up-to-the-minute evidence of ET's assertion:

"And on and on it goes: In the name of "Employment Equity" (sic), the Toronto District School Board's (TDSB) just asked its employees to complete a most intrusive census. (More below)

"Before PET's Charter of Rights (sic) and Freedoms (sic), Canadians had more rights and more freedoms: Since 1982, the Charter (of Fights and Fiefdoms) has been used, to control Canadians, first of all, by grouping us according to "victim" status. Has anyone noticed that Canadians who play the victim card seem to have more rights than the rest of us? The Charter has also been extensively used by the Machiavellian Human Rights (sic) Commissions and Canadian Courts to extend victims' rights at the expense of those of the rest of us.

"New Kid's altogether right about the isolation of those of us who've questioned this totalitarian bent of Canada's ruling elites. The blogosphere's a godsend. Let's hope that it and our new government will be successful in waking Canadians up.

"Back to the TDSB Workforce Census, just one of Trudeau's many tentacles reaching far into the future with long term, deleterious effects: All kinds of bells going off here. Of course, the census won't be used to enforce quotas: tell me another. The questions: "Do you identify yourself as: 1. Male? Female? 2. an Aboriginal person? 3. a visible minority? 4. With which one of the following groups do you identify yourself? [16 categories, including "Other" were given: none included the words French or British. I guess "White- Canadian" would include both.] 5. Do you identify yourself as a person with a disability? Yes/No. If Yes, please identify: [6 categories were provided, including "Other".] 6. Do you identify yourself as: Bisexual? Gay? Heterosexual? Lesbian? Transgender? Transsexual? Two-Spirited {Aboriginal term]?"

"Employees were asked to provide their employee number. Completing the census was voluntary and I know a number of teachers who left it blank, except for their employee number. A little scary? Big Brother--more like Sister in public education--watching?

"The numbers will most definitely be used to further manipulate the composition of the workforce and curriculum content and resources. E.g., Although a traditionalist would never be allowed into a school to talk about the stability of heterosexual marriage for all concerned, homosexual propagandists are regularly welcomed into schools to present their lifestyles as normal and their victimhood as needing state intervention both on their behalf and against "bigots". Of course, in "Big Sister Land" this is considered "equity".

"Does anyone think that the data will be used to balance the numbers of males vs females teaching in the Elemenatry panel? (Far fewer than 50% of elementary school teachers are male: Most self-respecting men recoil at the thought of working for a feminist cabal.) Although the data will most certainly be used to hire more minorities, you can bet there won't be a freeze on hiring women until the numbers are even. As always, "equity" is lopsided and whatever the elites decide it's going to be.

"Somewhere, surveying the present-day, state-controlled Canada he masterminded, PET's still smirking."

BTW, at GOOGLE, the TDSB's apparent website (http://tdsbweb/census) with more information about this "cannot be found". The TDSB website is also no help. And there have been no news releases about this by the TDSB. Hmmm . . .

Mary T: A friend of mine and I were just talking a week ago about June 6/06. The scary thing is this was just to damn close.
Thanks Kate for posting the names. I don't see any Irish, Scotish or Danish names. I wonder if this would have been caught under the Liberals. I really doubt it. They were so busy patting each other on the back they wouldn't know a terrist plot if it hit them in the head. This is what happens to a country when there is no credible leadership. We are in for troubled roads head. The other thing I noticed was hoow quiet the press gallery was when they were interviewing the police on TV. To bad they didn't show the PM the same respect.

I'm sure the left probably think it's a conspiracy concocted by the Conservatives and part of Stephan Harpers "Hidden Agenda" and the plan was to blow up the CBC. The names of the arrested are all aliases. LOLOLOL

"According to sources close to the investigation, the suspects are teenagers and men in their 20s who had a relatively typical Canadian upbringing, but — allegedly spurred on by images of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and angered by what they saw as the mistreatment of Muslims at home — became increasingly violent."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149285034044&call_pageid=976163513378&col=969048863474

Reported previously by Canadian Sentinel.

Sentinel has been admonished here to be quiet, shush up, tone it down, and etc.,; a purveyor of doom/gloom; a neo-Cassandra.

Sentinel did his job as his blog 'nym says:

Canadian Sentinel; a True Canadian Patriot.

Well done, our good and faithful servant; a servant of Canada.

More,please, and faster. ...

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/

NIN, CFP Report on Terror Camp in Canada
A few months back I did this post on the terror training camp located in Combermere, Ontario.

Well, Northeast Intelligence Network Director Douglas J. Hagmann, an American, has just written his own piece on the very same matter.

Investigation by the Northeast Intelligence Network has indeed verified the presence of a Jamaat ul Fuqra encampment located in the Madawaska Valley in Combermere, Ontario, just west of the Capital City of Ottawa

Yes, Mr. Hagmann, we do indeed stand on guard for thee. As a Canadian, I have, with that earlier post of mine, demonstrated exactly that... and now America has the proof that Canada is not just full of socialist peaceniks.

I thank you for looking into it.

We certainly do have a lot in common, we Canadians and Americans.

And we stand united and together fight the enemies of freedom, democracy and the rule of law.

We stand on guard for thee!

Just another day at work for the blood-thirsty Muzzi head-choppers....

Bob, I'm not altogether clear why you have posted this: "According to sources close to the investigation, the suspects are teenagers and men in their 20s who had a relatively typical Canadian upbringing, but — allegedly spurred on by images of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and angered by what they saw as the mistreatment of Muslims at home — became increasingly violent."

What mistreatment would they be talking about? Details please. I'm not aware of any Muslims who have been killed in Canada, unlike the many innocent bystanders who have been murdered by marauding Islamist fanatics all over the Middle East because of a few cartoons.

But, supposing there has been "the mistreatment of Muslims at home," I guess by this logic any teenager spurred on by images of conflict in, say, their home or at school, and feel that either they or those they are close to have been mistreated, would be justified in becoming "increasingly violent."

I look back to my teenaged years and can think of all sorts of issues that might have spurred me onto anger and violence. I look at the teenagers of today and see far more issues that might spur them onto doing the same thing.

But the point is, I or any non-Muslim teenager today would not be seen as justified if we got together a whole cache of explosives to annhilate the persons/groups we felt had mistreated us.

I sure hope that the Star reporter wasn't justifying these Muslim teenaged "shenanigans."

For God's sake, *I'M* a liberal through and through - I like having a female Head of State, I think it's healthiest for gay people to be able to marry, I want to keep ensuring men and women have equal opportunties, and I like seeing the Church OUT of the State.

Protecting our liberal society is why we must crush this Islamic terrorists decisively!!

I'm ashamed of the reactionary Left - Harper is a guy, he's not evil. TERRORISTS are evil, for god's sake!

The "right wing threat" comes from Osama Bin Laden, not the CPC! Abortion, gay marriage, equal rights, separation of church and state - these would all disappear under Islamic masters.

WAKE THE FLIPPING F*** UP, NDP!!!

Good thing we're recognizing their foreign credentials in stead of stopping all immigration from arab countries.

Far better to put the lives of thousands of torontonians at risk and keep the principle of multiculturalizm active. If my children have children their Canada will indeed be bleak.

Should I say terrorist countries to be politically correct? nahhh. Same thing isn't it?

"I wonder if this would have been caught under the Liberals. I really doubt it." - MaryM

Thanks Mary, for placing your spectacularly ignorant idiocy on display for us all.

Guess what, Mary? Might come as shocker, I know, but it was actually the *RCMP* and a little thing we like to call "CSIS" that caught these mofus.

I hate Paul Martin as much and for the same reasons as you do, but - I'm not a gasbag idiot like you are, Mary.

Gee, another thing proving your IQ level? These mofus have been under surveillance for, oh, I think it was a year now?

Wake up, you dimwit.

Captain's Quarters has an interesting amount of detail on how these guys were caught.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007121.php#comments

Dr Wright:

I agree with you.

Only secular Arabs who embrace equality of women and separation of church and state should be allowed into our country. Otherwise, our support for those ideals is only lip-service.

Jason D, your manners are atrocious. Your ideas would be more respected if you cleaned up your act. I find the language in your posts unnecessarily offensive. Smarten up, sir.

Many thanks be to Maz2 for the plug.

Like I said when starting my blog, I'll do what I can, however little or much it be.

I hope many more bloggers and others will get involved in whatever way they can to join the war against jihad and against the rest of the gathering, growing, strengthening Axis Power Group.

This is real. And all you need to enlist in the war is the motivation, a computer, an internet connection and a working brain.

Remember, Chamberlain was wrong. Churchill was right.

Appeasement will NOT work. The enemy sees it as weakness and submission and is only emboldened via its very nature to move in for the kill.

As did Hitler.

And history is going to repeat itself.

I hope I'm wrong, but who can be certain that I am? Why take the huge gamble again? Millions of innocent lives are at stake as we speak.

The choice before us is:

Proactive...

or reactive?

Be assured I'm following the developments... already I've a preliminary post:

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/06/canada-cracks-down-on-terrorists.html

Also: I've noticed an increased police presence in my city... they appear to be keeping an extra vigilant eye on everyone. Coincidence?

War on fascist maniacs and killers is no time for manners, Dr. Jones.

I read the comments over at the CBC and they all seemed so negatively biased that the forum there seems poisoned, and I said so:-
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**The consistant acidic tone of most foregoing comments makes me very suspicious that a certain group or political club have been instructed to comment on these recent happenings.

My feelings are that something very deadly has been nipped in the bud here.

One alert agra-feeds salesman or sales woman suspected buyers of a three ton lot of ammonium nitrate. That alert person may have saved thousands of Canadian lives.

I don*t care what the politics look like. If the facts are as reported, it is clear that some of the comments here could well have been positive.

My impression is that this is a heavily biased forum and I would be surprised if my comment is allowed to stand. TG**
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At the CBC comment submit you are thanked for your comment and there is a contact grouping topped with **CBC Ombudsman**

Do they get an inordinate volume of complaints about chopped comments? Unpleasant aftertaste! TG

Just by looking at the names and where the alleged terrorists reside, a simple common link emerges...
Where's Carolyn Parrish and her sympathic sentiment towards Islamic terrorists, when you need her???

The CBC forums seem to be *quite* heavily moderated for non-biased comments, I'm afraid. It's a pity - the CBC is in poor shape and far, far too left-leaning to be called fair.

And that makes me sad.

Last post, Jason D: I couldn't agree more.

Hey! Head smack! Now I have awakened! CBC biased comments indeed. The commentors are from Rabble Babble!

No wonder. TG

I'm with MaryM, who wondered if the Liberals would have moved as quickly to arrest these Muslim youth who were, obviously, planning a large and destructive initiative against the people of Toronto.

Sure, the RCMP and CSIS were investigating, but it's not unheard of for governments to interfere with these agencies, and I'm thinking specifically of the Librano Government.

If the RCMP had been able to do their job unhindered during the last 13 years of Librano rule, I'm sure they would have unearthed Adscam, the HRDC scandal, the Income Trust scandal, etc., etc. in a much more timely fashion. If they were just lazy and didn't do their job, and that's why it took so long for these scandals to come to light, then they should be disbanded and Canada should come up with another national polic force. I suspect the former reason, not the latter, is the reason why it took so long to unearth these scandals.

The Librano$ have bought hook, line, and sinker the political correctness approach to life that dictates that any ethnic group, especially a minority one, even if it's as clear as the nose on my face that one ethnic group, and one only, is responsible for certain heinous activities, can be "profiled" in Canada, despite the fact that they might be putting the safety of Canadians in jeopardy.

It would be just like the Libs, if it came to their attention that a certain ethnic minority was being targeted by an investigation to halt or slow the whole thing down. That's why I have absolutely NO FAITH in them. They let assinine, PC, feel-good, considerations, not facts and reality, dictate the direction certain investigations will take.

For the safety of all Canadians, it is a very good thing that Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his party are governing Canada and not the lenient, liberty-challenged Liberals.

Meanwhile, the Mayor of TO, David Miller, was on newsworld "well the London bombers were English after all as these are Canadians! Some even came here as children ... they're, they're Canadians!"
And he looks absolutely astounded that these 'Canadian young men' would even think to do this here.

Wonder if the jackass of an anchor for Montreal's english CTV evening newscast will stop smirking when he says the words 'War on Terror' now? sigh - not likely.

Strike one for the good side today, our side, freedom's side.
My deep gratitude to the fine and dedicated people for keeping us safe this time, please carry on.

They just had EricMargolis on CP24 saying its because of Harper's policies that this attack was planned.Guess he overlooked the fact that CSIS was watching thes guys for years.

Can't wait to see Layton's comments on this.Probably says it shows what happens because of lack of public daycare.

Whoops Error in last post: this sentence should have read:

The Librano$ have bought hook, line, and sinker the political correctness approach to life that dictates that any ethnic group, especially a minority one, even if it's as clear as the nose on my face that one ethnic group, and one only, is responsible for certain heinous activities, CANNOT be "profiled" in Canada, despite the fact that they might be putting the safety of Canadians in jeopardy.

See what happens when you construct such a mess of a sentence? I stand by what I'm saying, but I should have found a less confusing way to say it!

That much ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate plus Fuel Oil), properly placed, primed and detonated could take down several dozen large buildings. In an open air blast (unconfined) with no shrapnel, 3 tonnes would have a killing radius of several hundred metres just from the shock wave. These Islamic wack-jobs were planning something very big or very sustained.

The agencies responsible for their capture deserve our gratitude and appreciation.

And maybe Ann Rohmer should ask her dad's opinion of Islamic terror movements before agreeing with everything Margolis said. It's time to start cancelling subscriptions to the Sun and let CityTV know that we are displeased.

The loud mouth head of the Canadian islam society or whatever it is called "the guy that went after Izra Levant at the Western Standard" seems to be very quiet today. I would imagine this clown will be more interested in the "rights" of these terrorists under our precious Charter of Rights and Freedoms and how it is all racialy motivated.

Read the posts on this story in the G&M, sure proves that a lot of BC and TO residents need to have their eyes open. Was the suicide at Tims reported correctly, was that the start of this. Was the smoke in the subway in TO really from a fallen item from the train. CNN has this story, along with video of some suspects in police cars. Never noticed a white person in the group, did see one older Asian. This has to be another set back for Tourism to Toronto, or Ontario. Is this cell the only one in Canada, I doubt it. What will it take for the leftists in TO to wake up. They certainly need to thank our police and other forces, even tho many feel someones Charter Rights might have been violated. As stated before, those residents don't have to fear being infected by second hand smoke. If given a choice would you prefer smokers harming you or being bombed into the next world. As many were very young, I guess they thought they could all handle 72 virgins.

Guys, this is not a Liberals vs. Conservatives issue, it's a Canada vs. Islamic Terror issue. It makes no difference to me what Paul Martin would have done (hopefully he would have resigned... But anyway) or what Layton will say.

I don't believe in much of a right/left split so much as I do kiddie bickering. Left or Right, we all value equality of all citizens regardless of gender, we all are happy that a woman can be Governor General or Monarch or Prime Minister, we're all thankful to be able to worship, peacefully, the religion most attractive to us, we're all grateful to vote freely. We're all on the same damn side here.

"Part of Harper's plan, as per my predictions, he is evil": gasbags.

"The Liberals under Martin would have given them a parade": gasbags.

Time to put away childish things and think as Canadians who value our lives and our freedom here.

MaryT, you're right - thank god for the RCMP and CSIS. I said so earlier on Taylor, but not here.

A legitimate attack foiled or an overblown spectacle being hyped by Harper McBush and co.? I don't know...
In either case, get our troops out of Afganistan, stop cooperating with Bush's illegal war on Islam, and stop siding with the Israeli aparthied against the Palestinians and none of this would be happening.

Harper and his gang of thugs are intent on changing Canada, as well as our role in the world. Its happening right before our eyes and faster than I had anticipated. He made this bed, the trouble is, all of us have to sleep in it.

Where is Prime Minister Harper today? What is he doing today?

He is at work/on the job.

What is his job's Number One Priority?

Number One Priority:

The provision of security for Canada and Canadians.

God Bless the new recruits to our Armed Forces.

God Bless Canada. ...

From the Prime Minister's Web Site (http://www.pm.gc.ca/)

Public events for June 3, 2006

June 2, 2006
Ottawa, Ontario

Public events for Prime Minister Stephen Harper for Saturday, June 3rd are:

1:00 pm – The Prime Minister will address more than 200 recruits who will be joining the Canadian Forces, at the official Enrolment Ceremony.

Canadian War Museum
1 Vimy Place
Ottawa, Ontario

* The Prime Minister is expected to speak at 2:20 pm

** Open to media

Hopefully this opens many eyes to the threats we face from Islamofacism, but this is not the first time they've broken up a terrorist cell in Toronto.

Anyone remember this?

That one happened back in November.

Good work to CSIS and the RCMP for busting these scum before they had a chance to act!

Harper made this bed?????

After being Prime Minister for months?

Kevin Laddie, you're drinking the same quack-milk as MaryM. This bunch has been under surveillance for - say it with me now, Kevin - a year.

Yes, that's right - longer than Harper has actually been Prime Minister! Really!

They hate CANADA, not Harper, you dimwit.

That means you, me, Harper, Duceppe, ALL of us.

Pathetic, ignorant, nutty, Kevin - that's you.

Hmmm. Seems a certain Jason D is of the mind that the RCMP and CCIS are in no way influenced or controlled by their political masters of the day.

Dream on Jason.

And by all means keep on deriding any one who happens to know otherwise.

It makes you look SO intelligent.

"A legitimate attack foiled or an overblown spectacle being hyped by Harper McBush and co.? I don't know... "

"Harper and his gang of thugs".

Kevin, what is a "legitimate attack"?

How is the arrest of people with 3 tonnes of enough explosive to bring down Parliament "an overblown spectacle"?

Where do you see either Harper or Bush hyping this?

Are you planning on taking the Toronto subway anytime soon? If you see Stephen Harper there, will you run fleeing?

Why aren't you talking about "Qayyum and his gang of thugs"?

Considering these guys have been planning this since Martin first became Prime Minister, where is your attack on him? Or do you not consider it necessary to make even a pretence of being able to be coherent?

Why are you an idiot? Was it heredity or environment?

Kevin - first, stop the ad hominem. Stop insulting Harper and Bush.

You prefer Islamofascism? You are naive if you think that Islamofascism is caused by the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Most Islamic states don't give a damn about helping the Palestinians.

Islamofascism has nothing to do with this; it's a result of a sociopolitical infrastructure of tribalism - a tribalism enforced by Islam. Islam hasn't evolved from its tribal origins to be able to operate in a modern, large population, industrial economy. That tension between a socioreligious ideology and a population that has exponentially increased over the past generation and become urban and industrial rather than rural and agricultural - is the 'root cause' of Islamic fascism.

Unless Islam reforms and permits its adherents to operate in a modern industrial socioeconomic mode, this tension will continue to 'explode' into fascism.

Afghanistan is trying to move out of tribalism into democracy. That's why we are helping it. Or, do you prefer fascism? The same in Iraq. But, it's not easy. These areas have been denigrated by years of dictatorial rule; they don't have democratic infrastructures; they don't have norms that permit negotiated conclusions rather than vicious and violent retributive tribal interactions. It takes time.
BUT - a population in the multimillions can't live within tribalism. It has to move into democracy.

or, do you prefer fascism?

Kevin_Laddle that was the funniest thing I have read since the "youthforvolpe.ca" web site. You just forgot to put the /sarc=on and /sarc=off tags.

Oh...you were trying to be serious.

Kevin

ROTFLMAO....that is a really good imitation of someone disconnected from reality....thanks it really brightened up a rainy saturday.

wow, my sides hurt and I am wiping tears from my eyes....phew...that was brilliant. Thanks again.

From the Left
This was excellent police work. They showed patience and skill.
This proves what I have been saying since forever. Canadians are made safe, or not by focusing on our internal security. Money and resources need to spent and kept right here at home.
In fact,"fighting them over there" with all the violent imagery may have inflamed these Canadian youth. Perhaps even the Arar incident. It doesn't excuse them but it may help explain them. The follow-up investigation into why and how these things happen will be helpful in preventing further terrorist spawnings.

Chasing Taliban, who were not terrorists but rather hosts to terrorists, while Canadian terrorists are plotting over here is a questionable policy.
Because we caught these budding terrorists here this time doesn't mean we can afford to run a two front war on terror. Paying for a war on terror here and one over there, when it appears the one here is by far the most important, is an unnecessary and perhaps futile expense. The domestic scene is where our resources obviously are best spent.

Bring our troops home from Afganistan, stop taking sides in the Israeli aparthied, and the problem is solved. We were making war on Afganistan long before any attack on Canada. If you right-wingers want a war, people are going to fight back.

"IMHO, who cares about culture"...shaken

A country that doesn't care about its culture will end up with none worth defending.

A country that defines as bigotry concern over the erosion of the dominate culture will end up being dominated by the culture of those newcomers who most strongly retain their cultural identity.

... and to think we did it without extra-legally detaining, torturing, rendering or warantlessly wiretaping anybody. Looks like you can be safe without big government trampling on your rights and liberty despite Captain's Quarters' spin trying to use this event to justify broad domestic esponiage on all of a countries' citizens.

Kudos to all the agencies involved.

Kevin, lay off of the leftie-islam-o-koolaid

ET, how are these islamo bad guys any different from the islamo bad guys that Israel faces every day? Islamic states don't care about Palistinians because that dispute is not about land or rights for ancient Palestinians - it is about the same thing that drives the 12 guys who were arrested here - jihad, domination by Islam, and dhimmi status for those not adhering to islam.

Kevin would like us to stop siding with America and Israel - these countries are our allies in the war against Islamofascism. Who do people like Kevin think should be our allies? the French, the Germans, the Cubans, the Venezualans, the Iranians?

"how are these islamo bad guys any different from the islamo bad guys that Israel faces every day"

Our islamo bad guys were smart enough to not take on Israel.

When I hear crap like "Islamofacism" I cannot help but shake my head. But then I realize you nutjobs aren't kidding. Why can't you get it into your thick skulls? There is NO such thing as "Islamofacism". It's a lie, it's a myth that has been foisted upon you by Harper McBush and the gang.

America started this so-called war. Do you really buy the crap that they are "attacking us because they hate our freedoms"? They are attacking America because America joins with Israel in slaughtering their people. And they are attacking us because we are now joining with American in the bloodshed. Do you right-whingers not realize that Spain has not seen an attack since it wisely ended its cooperation in the Bush-led war on Islam? Canada must immediatley do the same, or risk incurring the same wrath. We may not be so lucky next time...

Impress this name onto/into your memory cells:

Imam Aly Hindy.

This Islamist is a dangerous man. Beware. ...

THE MISSISSAUGA NEWS
Mississauga men accused of being terrorists

The Star reports that Mississauga brothers-in-law Ahmad Ghany and Zakaria Amara have been charged in connection with plots to attack Canadian targets, the Toronto Star has learned.

However, shocked neighbours and family members say they don't believe the allegations.

"I think they have it wrong. Those guys have nothing to do with (terrorism)," said Scarborough Imam Aly Hindy, a high profile critic of the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service. He has accused the federal agency of targeting Muslims who criticize the foreign policies of Western governments.

He believes this is what led to the arrests yesterday.

"Because they are young people, and they are Muslims, they are saying it's terrorism," he told The Star last night. more
http://www.mississauganews.com/mi/news/story/3528575p-4077542c.html

"Chasing Taliban, who were not terrorists but rather hosts to terrorists"

Yes, our troops are truly appreciating the splendors of the Taliban hospitality. Not a terrorist among them. The roadside bombs are being set off by CIA operatives bent on establishing the republic of Bushistan.

"Bring our troops home from Afganistan (sic), stop taking sides in the Israeli aparthied (sic), and the problem is solved."

So, when these guys started planning these attacks, before Afghanistan, and before the Conservatives ended the shameful practice of the Liberals of taking sides AGAINST Israel, they were just doing that because of the precautionary principle, right?

Kevin, you aren't really this stupid, are you? This is really a spoof, right? I mean, you seem to have benefitted from enough of an education to put thoughts down - surely you aren't so devoid of cognitive powers that you actually believe this twaddle. Do you?

"This operation does not reflect badly on any ethno-cultural group in Canada".

Suuuuuure.  Uh-huh.  Of course it doesn't, pal.

patrick,
talking to people like Kevin is almost useless - he will always fall back on his position that the world's problems are caused by America and Israel. To our enemies, he is what Lenin (or was it Stalin?) used to call "useful idiot". He does not realize that as much as shouts "I hate me too" this will not save him from dhimmi status or death.

steve d

"This proves what I have been saying since forever."

Yeah right.

"fighting them over there" with all the violent imagery may have inflamed these Canadian youth.

It's people like you steve d who have twisted what is selfless humanitarian aid by invoking vile imagery to describe their heroic conduct. Non-Canadian youth who are inflamed because we are trying to help the Afghans should be deported. Canadian youth suffering from this kind of derangement should sue the CBC and the Toronto Star for intentional infliction of anti-Americanism.

"It doesn't excuse them but it may help explain them. The follow-up investigation into why and how these things happen will be helpful in preventing further terrorist spawnings."

Oh yes, let the hand wringing begin. How about beginning with the observation they suffer from the same disordered thinking as you steve d and like you can't recognize the difference between the agents of freedom and those of oppression. What's your excuse? Overdosed on leftist moronisms?

"Chasing Taliban, who were not terrorists but rather hosts to terrorists, while Canadian terrorists are plotting over here is a questionable policy."

Oh we should leave and see if the Taliban host al Qaeda a second time. Brilliant steve. Simply brilliant. Do you usually expect different outcomes when you keep doing the same thing? The concept of fighting any war (except a propaganda one against their own country) is anathema to the left. Fighting on two or three fronts is to be avoided like the plague. It might result in a quicker victory.

"Because we caught these budding terrorists here this time doesn't mean we can afford to run a two front war on terror. Paying for a war on terror here and one over there, when it appears the one here is by far the most important, is an unnecessary and perhaps futile expense. The domestic scene is where our resources obviously are best spent.Posted by: steve d."

Thank you General steve d. No doubt when the terrorists do pull off their first attack in Canada you will explain that it could have been prevented if we hadn't diverted resources over there.

Which one was that qwerty?

http://www.apfn.org/audio/okc.ram

http://www.apfn.org/audio/okc2.ram

People wonder why would they come here, would it have anything to do with all the women and children that the troops are killing in afghanistan?

Terrance (Terry) Yeakey was a courageous young black Oklahoma City police officer who was on duty near the Murrah Building the morning of that building's bombing.
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm

Look how quickly people jump to conclusions. Like those 19 terrorist hijackers that the FBI put out after 9/11, lol, someone should go and tell some that their dead and shouldn't be walking around especially the one thats a airline pilot.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/attacked/A38270-2001Sep15.html
Washington Post - 9/16/01 - 2nd Witness Arrested; 25 Held for Questioning
Two of 19 suspects named by the FBI, Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi, have the same names as men listed at a housing facility for foreign military trainees at Pensacola. Two others, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alnami, have names similar to individuals listed in public records as using the same address inside the base. In addition, a man named Saeed Alghamdi graduated from the Defense Language Institute at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, while men with the same names as two other hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari, appear as graduates of the U.S. International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., and the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, respectively.

Mohamed Atta isn't he the mastermind?

Remember that suspicious bin Laden "confession" video?
# How could he praise uninvolved living people (12) for the 9/11 hijackings?
# If they stole identities, how did the FBI identify those passengers as terrorists?
Not by flight calls, which contradict the FBI (13) information!

Hear the siren it's time for all good morlocks to follow their leader to the supper table, fresh innocence is being served.

So what do you think we'll be allowed to know about this case?
They could've had a bag of fertilizer sitting in their garage. Will we ever know?

ex-liberal. We've been through this debate before and I'm not getting into it. I've said before that the Israeli-Palestinian situation is about land and the rights of citizenship and nationhood - on both sides. It has nothing to do with fascism or islamofascism. I don't agree with Israel's rejection of Palestinian rights to nationhood and to land rights; I don't agree with the occupation or settlements; I don't agree with the Israeli religion-state merger. There's no point in you or I going into this debate with each other for we have very different views.

Islamofascism is very real; it isn't a myth; it's a symptom of a dysfunctional socioeconomic and political infrastructure, where a population in the millions is constrained, by force, within tribalism (only suitable for hundred thousands).

Kevin laddie. What is your proof that there is 'no such thing as islamofascism'? I'd really like to know what your proof is. Do you know what fascism means? Do you know what happens to a population that is constrained within a tribal socioeconomic and political infrastructure when it, by virtue of its population size, has to be democratic? Have you read the Koran? Do you know that it's really a rigid sociopolitical system that is unsuitable for a modern industrial socioeconomic system?

I'd bet you don't know a thing about different sociopolitical systems, do you? I'd bet you don't know a thing about the correlation between population size and economy, do you? I'd bet you don't know a thing about the correlation between sociopolitical sysem and population size, do you?

No, the islamofascist attacks are not due to Israel and Palestine. Most of the Arab states, as I said, don't give a damn about the Palestinians and their suffering. Islamofascism is an internal 'deep rot', within the Islamic states, due to its attempting to run a multimillion size population within a tribal infrastructure. That's the lid-on-the-steam.

steve d. If the Taliban are hosts to terrorists, they are de facto terrorists themselves. Just because you have someone else do the 'hit job' for you, doesn't absolve you of responsibility.

Kevin,

Oh you werent kidding....

The United States hasnt seen an attack since 9/11 so what is the conclusion....we stayed out of Iraq, apparently that didnt buy us anything did it?

And this apparently has been planned for years, before we took an increased presence. And afghanistan is considered generally a success.

Answer the following, should we have gotten involved in Yugoslavia where we STOPPED the alleged slaughtering of Muslims. Would it have been a rational response for Serbian nationalists (sometimes known as Serbian fascists) to accumulate 3 tonnes of anfo to blow up a building in toronto...would that have been justified and explainable as a "natural response" Should the tibetan community in Toronto blow up the Chinese embassy, is that a rational response, would we be wrong to arrest them for doing so or would we be wrong if we let them go?

To be as morally confused as you must be difficult. To indicate this is a rational response is delusionary and idiotic.

While this has nothing to do Afghanistan, but you insist it does, then ask the Afghani people if they are better off.

As for Islamofacism....it exists just as other forms of fascism exist. It never means that all Muslims are fascists, no different than the KKK means all protestant Christians are fascists.

See them for what they are, there is a terrible ideology out there that quite frankly wouldnt see any difference between you and me. Too bad you cant see the difference in them.

Thank God that we have a conservative government with a genuine concern for our security. A fantastic job by all of them.

If the liberano wingnuts were still in power, a Shelia Copp’s type would have announced an order for a million or so basketballs with a Canadian flag on them to give to all of the poor disenfranchised Muslims who cannot stand this country and our freedoms to take their mind off all of their fictious suppressions

Dryden and Bennett would have announced a further $10 billion for child care to make sure that parents do not bring up criminals and Cotler would have cut the security forces budget in half to pay for it because all we have is imaginary crime. Carolyn Parrish would be shouting from the tree tops about all of this being Bush’s fault.

Perhaps all those who will be crying racism and the evils of focusing only on those with a Muslim sounding name should get a soother with the maple leaf on it.

I hope this is a wakeup call for all the liberanos and flapjack dippers but I somehow doubt it. This is the attack that was foiled. Sooner or later one will succeed, then they will be crying out how Stephen Harper did not do anything and where is the military when we need them!

stephen - very nice analysis.

I have an idea.
Why don't we split this into two separate threads?One for the hyper-leftist,right-hating button pushers and those who wish to waste their time going in endless circles with them.
On the other,anyone who wants to discuss this historic developing story and it's implications for our future.
Anyways,...knowing the bravado stunts many male teens get hyped by these days,I hope we see no violence on Ontario streets as a backlash to Muslims.But,I also fully expect Muslim leaders to be pro-active in exposing these cockroaches to the light and denouncing al Qaeda.

ex-liberal

So the US does good for the world when they assinate the elected leaders of countries so they can set up they puppets?
Montt, General Efrain Rios, Guatemala
Videla, General Jorge Rafael, Argentina
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr, Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio Jr, Nicaragua
Pinochet, General Augusto, Chile
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernande, El Salvador
Christiani, Alfredo, El Salvador

This is just a few of US supporters that gained power with US help.

Everyone keeps blaming the Taliban how come they never take any bows for the attack, I did see an interview where Osama said he or Al Qaeda had nothing to do with it, wonder why the media doesn't show that film?

Moz, I hoped this would be a wake-up call to my friends on the Left, too.

It's looking less and less like it as the day goes on.

Kevin, you're a disgrace to the Left.

And Joe Canuck, this surveillance started when the Liberals were in power - grow up already. Martin may be a tool, but he and Harper *both* interested in NOT seeing Canadians blown up in the street.

The attacks of 9/11 which took the lives of dozens of Canadians happened BEFORE Iraq and BEFORE Afghanistan.

What was the terrorist's excuse then?

After 911 a lot of smug U of T students used a CBC "town hall" to rave on about how the Americans (ignoring the innumerable other nationalities killed in the WTC) had gotten what they deserved in the WTC attacks. I wonder how many of those same students will now rave on about how Toronto deserves a 3-ton ANFO explosion for its obviously evil ways??? Should I hold my breath?

Terry Gain...

Culture will evolve by itself. It is an effect of an aggregation of many individual activities. You cannot orchestrate - you let it evolve.

That's why I care not about culture. Let the creative create and if I like what they produce, I will buy it.

Hoisting multiculturalism is a shell-game perpetrated on us by Tru-dough and the like. Canadians fell for it because of their envy of the success of America. We are reaping the harvest today.

No government program will create culture. Culture evolves as in an ecosystem.

Culture is simple: buy what you like, don't buy what you don't like. The good will survive. The junk will fade. No need to promote, celebrate.

The Librano Multicult mask has fallen today. Once again, I do not care where you come from, what religion you practice, what you listen to, what you put on stage, how you dance. It matters not. Do what you like. I'm not going to celebrate it because I am too busy doing my own thing. But obey our laws.

Cudos to the RCMP and CSIS for doing their jobs and saving innocent lives.

Jason D. It is people like you that have got this country in trouble. You sir are the narrow minded one. So, it is my own oppinion that I believe that the Liberal's have got us into this mess(ie: immigration policies). On a day like today, we should be counting our blessing for the RCMP and CCIS. You have attacked just about everyone that posts regularly on this site. This will be my last reference to you Sir! Now I think I will find myself some Quack Milk!

Stephen Harper just said they hate us for our "diversity". My head asplode.

How can anyone here,right or left,claim to be knowledgeable about terrorism in Canada's past if they are not even aware of the largest mass murder in Canadian history.
DO NOT forget the 1986 MASSACRE of 329 mostly CANADIAN men,women and children aboard an Air India 747 caused by a terrorist's bomb planted at Vancouver!!

Re: Post to Jason D.(I do not know how his name ended in the post section)
That post was from MaryM

Culture will evolve by itself. shaken

shaken,

Culture does not evolve by itself. Go ask the French and Dutch (out of public hearing) whether they agree with that.

The evolution of culture depends on many things not the least of which are immigration patterns. If you import people who do not assimilate but retain a culture with incompatible values you will end up with just the sort of alien-nation (sic)they have in England and what we may have here- if these guys are homegrown.

You can of course believe otherwise depending upon the extent to which your thought processes are affected by political correctness- a very strong motivator as no one likes to be called a bigot.

CBCpravdas take on it . note the use of quotes to make it look just not so bad.

'Serious' bomb plot in Canada averted: police
Police say they have prevented a major bomb plot from being carried out in southern Ontario with the arrests of 17 people, including five youths, in the Toronto area. more »

weren't the Liberanos supported by the Tamil Tigers and visa versa.

I just noticed parts of my last post are missing and parts are added.
Must be the traffic.

For all those lefty disbelievers who have posted I would pose this question:

"What possible peaceful purpose could one have with 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate within an urban landscape of the Greater Toronto Area?"

If the accused suggest it was for their apartment planter box, one might be suspicious.

If they had this much stuff on a farm in Saskatchewan, hat tip to KATE, at least it might pass a plausibility test. I would like to hear the explanation of those duly accused and charged.

The ghosts of Multi-Cult come home to roost.

I did a little browsing around the mls.ca web site using the addresses listed on the RCMP press release:

1: 3 ROBBINSTONE DR, MLS #E906856, Price $269,000 (could not find Robinstone Dr)
2: 3864 PERIWINKLE CRES, MLS# W904147, Price $399,000
3: 7301 ROSEHURST DR, MLS# W903687, Price $383,000
4: 7271 LOWVILLE HTS, MLS# W907884, Price $319,900
5: #65-5610 MONTEVIDEO RD, MLS # W846692, Price $208,900 (twelve listings on Montevideo drive, ranging in price from $208,900 to $230,900)
6: Kingston, Ontario no street address given
7: Kingston, Ontario no street address given
8: #703 - 121 TRUDELLE ST, MLS# E887354, Price $116,900 (seven listings on Trudelle St, ranging in price from $116,900 to $230,000)
9: Stonehill Court, Toronto, No Listings
10: 151 TREVERTON DR, MLS# E885239, Price $271,500
11: 2214 ROBIN DR, MLS# W875750, Price $869,000
12: Eclipse Avenue, Mississauga, No Listings

By the age of the arrested, I doubt any of them owned homes, but their parents seem to live in comfortable middle class neighbourhoods.

Reminds me of that Sesame Street song:
Oh, who are the people in your neighborhood?
In your neighbourhood?
In your neighbourhood?
Say, who are the people in your neighborhood?
The people that you meet each day.

Terry, we'll have to agree to disagree. Two different paths of logic take us to the same place. The Multicult eunomia is just a wet-dream. The Libranos exploited the Canadian angst for an identity, and dealt us Anti-American and Multicult Snake Oil. It was purchased by the gallon by the MSM, Pravda, and Toronto voters.

Libranos didn't give a damn who they let in, or what they did when they got here, just as long as they voted Librano, and brought up their next generation to vote Librano.

To the leftie appeasers trolling this blog, maybe one of them can give us the bottom line answer with respect to what appeasement exactly will stop the Islamic Suicide cult and bring about World Peace.

Is it - stop using oil? stop trading with America? let Israel fall? convert to Islam? just exactly what appeasement do the appeasers claim will put a stop to this? I've never heard anyone from the left stake their credibility on an overarching strategy to deal with the problem. Instead, we are fed piecemeal tactical imperatives - "must get out of Afghanistan", "must get out of Iraq", "must get America out of Arabia", "must use windmills", "must distance ourselves from America", "must coddle the poor misguided and abused souls". Rubbish.

Here is an overarching strategy: We fight to crush them. There is no other strategy that stop the Religion of Pieces.

"...soldiers here with guns'.

In Brampton, Ontario, Canada.

In Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Muslim terrorists, here with with 3 tons of fertilizer/explosive devices and more.

Farooq here in Canada: this is ridiculous.

"They've got soldiers here with guns."

Farooq, the atmosphere has changed.

Here in Canada.

Soldiers with guns.

Echo says: "Soldiers with guns. In our cities. In Canada." H/T AdScam Liberal Kelowna Accord Martin.

Farooq is a lawyer. ...

Huge bomb planned: police
“This group posed a real and serious threat,” says senior RCMP officer
Jun. 3, 2006. 03:24 PM
JESSICA LEEDER, HAROLD LEVY AND STAN JOSEY
TORONTO STAR

Brampton

Extract:

"Pointing at snipers on the roof, Farooq, who would not name his clients, said: “This is ridiculous. They’ve got soldiers here with guns. This is going to completely change the atmosphere.”
torontostar

Quote:
"What possible peaceful purpose could one have with 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate within an urban landscape of the Greater Toronto Area?"

Three things:
1) I have not seen so much as a bag of fertilizer, and place little credibility in CSIS and its right-wing, American style agenda.

2) Now lets assume they do have three tonnes. SO WHAT? My garage contains gasoline, fertilizer, a blow torch, a chain-saw, and all kinds of other goodies that a nutcase with an imagination could have a lot of fun with. But so what? Its not against the law to own any of those, and (assuming the so-called suspects do own the fertilizer) their only crime appears to be owning some plant food while having brown skin, and 5 syylabel names. Real strong case. :-S

3) Finally, let's assume that this wildgoose chase you right-whingers want to embark on concludes the "terrorists" did indeed plan to strike in Toronto? SO WHAT? We (Harper McBush and co.) brought this upon ourselves. If someone was bombing the shit out of my homeland, I'd probably be pretty pissed off too. If America had not been meddeling in the affairs of the midddle east, they would never have been hit on 9/11. If Spain had not joined in the illegal and immoral war on Iraq, they would never have been attacked on 3/11. Now, for fucks sakes, lets use some intelligence, and ask ourselves whether we would rather be like Spain, or Amerika?

Nice, MaryM - but you're lyin'.

See, you didn't equate Liberal immigration policies to what almost happened in Toronto - because I'd AGREE with you on that count.

No, you think that if the Liberals were in power (and thank god they're gone) that these terrorists just wouldn't have been caught. Nevermind that surveillance began while the L's were in power - just pretend you didn't hear that part.

Nice work in the logic department, MaryM! Congrats.

There's a reason why Carolyn Parrish used to put pictures of herself wearing a headscarf on her visits to Palestine in her Report from Parliment. It wasn't because of her fashion sense.

new kid on the block, Jason:
I have an old friend, ex-RCMP, ex-CSIS. He's been retired for over 20 years. He has repeatedly told me about political interference.

This may sound totally paranoid but I;ve never ben able to shake the feeling that the Air India bombing investigation was subject to political interferrence. Big Sikh support for Libranos in BC. And let's not forget the Libranos/Tamils connection.

Jason: Mary's question whether or not we would have this outcome under Martin is not an unsound one!

patrick

I will tell you this. There are a lot of Canadians who would plant IED's too if we were occupied. What you see as terrorism, they see as patriotism, or infidels vs muslims, or the people who killed my brother,son or daughter getting what they deserve, revenge. If you don't think revenge is a strong motivator just remember that is what caused the Haditha massacre.

Terry Gain

"selfless humanitarian aid never comes with guns blazing. The American government doesn't engage in selfless aid, that is just a dream born of propaganda. There is no evidence for it.

Looking for motivations and explanations is just good police work. It is what they do. Maybe you don't like it, but it helps the police to know how and why things happen.

You can leave,we will anyway, and still monitor. This is the age of satellites and drones and renewed appreciation for human intelligence.
We can leave and monitor. When the terrorists come out of their caves we can hit them, as opposed to dragging thousands of troops into a country angering the population. It is far more efficient to watch them electronically and using informants then sending in armies. Unless of course, you have deeper more sinister aims and we don't because we are the good guys, at least that is what the mantra is. There is some evidence to show the sinister side which we don't want to look at too closely, although the other side focuses on it. We focus on their bad and they focus on our bad and the twain shall never meet. Hmmm, I wonder why we don't understand each other? No, I guess its easier to just keep blowing each others people up, for the time being at least.

Kudos to the men and women of law enforcement.

After reading many comments from various websites I've noticed this pattern of what should be done with these terrorist thugs.

Conservative plan:

Charge them.
Convict them.
If convicted, Execute them.

End Result: Show the islamofascists we mean business.

Liberal/NDP plan:

Make sure they are comfortable and their feelings weren't hurt.
Give them a toll-free phone number in case someone wants to call and talk about their feelings.
Give them the best representation possible at the taxpayers expense.
If convicted, make sure they do their time in a resort-like prison with cable tv and internet access.

End Result: Show the world we're a bunch of pussies.

I'm no expert, but how in the world would you move 3 tons of explosives in the subway system? "TTC employee: Excuse me sir, but that backpack looks awful heavy, can I offer you some help?" Do they have evidence Toronto was the target? Ottawa, Kingston, Montreal all within comfortable driving distance.

Nice to see that not all our taxes get wasted, way to go RCMP, CSIS and all concerned.

kevin-laddle. So far, you aren't making any sense. You are just 'preaching'; that is, asserting your opinions without providing any empirical and/or logical grounds.

You haven't answered any questions put to you. Again, what is your proof that Islamofascism doesn't exist? Please provide proof. Provide proof that it's a 'myth'.

Your garage contents are immaterial. Do you have 3 tons of ammonium nitrate?

Please provide proof that 'we have brought this (terrorist attacks) on ourselves. You assert that it's 'because we are in Afghanistan'.
Please provide proof that the individuals arrested are from Afghanistan, AND, are members of the tribal groups fighting the democratically elected Afghan government. Remember, we are supporting the democratically elected Afghan government. Please provide proof both that the detainees are from Afghanistan AND are supporters of the tribal militants and not the elected government.

Provide proof that 9/11 was caused by the US 'meddling' in the affairs of the ME. The UN 'meddles' there as well. Have all the countries of the UN been attacked for their sanctions on Iraq?

Bin Laden, after all, wants to set up a totalitarian fundamentalist regime in the ME. Do you agree with such an agenda? If so, Why?
Do you support the regime of Saddam Hussein? Why?

Toronto Mayor David Miller: (Farooq told me months ago.)

Translation of this whimpering, simpering cant from the red socialist, Mayor Miller:

I just about relieved myself when Farooq told me. Today, Red Miller relieved himself. ...

"I was relieved that police had discovered the activities at a very early stage," he told a news conference. "I was relieved on behalf of Torontonians because I knew because of the police activities that if there was an actual threat they would be able to stop it before anything serious happened."
canada.com

kevin: are you serious, wake up & give your brain some air. Try to imagine if they had suceeded then what & who would you blame it on. These are extremist that do not care about you or anyone else, they only beleive in one thing, A World Without Christians or any other society that does not conform to their idealologies. So dont blame world leaders for these actions, there is a war on, brought on by these extremist & it will only increase, so get your head out of the sand & stop blaming western leaders.

"are you serious, wake up & give your brain some air. Try to imagine if they had suceeded then what & who would you blame it on."

YOur fucking right im serious. You want to know who I would blame it on had they suceeded? The same FUCKING people I'm blaming it on right now; war mongering neo-cons like you, who are cheering on our troops as they wage war on muslim farmers and sheep herders in Afganistan. Get your head out of the sand, and take a look at what's really going on.

steven d: your long distance high-tech solution reminds me of the stupidest thing a smart friend ever said to me re: Saddam when I cornered him and asked him if he was glad that Saddam was gone. He was, b