"Although Greece is a leading champion of Turkey's bid to join the EU".......

Wake up call to Greeks!!!

And this in a week when a Turkish Islamofascist murdered 5 judges over a secular decision restricting head coverings in a nursery school.

Why in God's name would any sane European want to admit any country whose dysfunctional religion is so totally incompatible with a secular civil society?

Islam is imploding even in its most benign settings like Turkey. There has never been a religious cult as toxic in the history of mankind. Any brain dead muli-culti apologists or equivocationists still out there with a pulse?

How many wake up calls do you idiots need?

Maybe the reason the Greeks are supporting the idea of Turkey joining the EU is because of all the constraints the EU imposes on the sovereignty and actions of it's member states.

Maybe the Greeks see EU membership for Turkey as a Europe-wide containment of Turkey. This is along the lines of "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.

From that perspective, it does have a certain logic.

What's the advantage in expending energy and vigilance in containment, Dave, when the best containment is a good fence making good neighbors as the poet Robert Frost pointed out. It's like admitting to our union an Islamic 51st state. How toxic would that be???

Secularized Turkey may not survive in the next few years.

We've got an air force? Cooooool....

Obviously the Turkish guy was flying like my yiayia after a morning of milking the goats.

I bet the Greek guy was trying to steer while lighting a smoke...

Zito Hellas!!!!!

Sorry, I don't see the connection with Darwin here, perhaps am I missing something?

That's spectacular!
I would have always figured there was a lot more room to maneuver in the sky than that...

This was no accident.The Albanian colonization of the former Yugoslav states is just an example of the Islamist attempt to seize the world.
The Republic of Hellas will expose the truths of the Turks and their Islamist allies,but will Europe accept the reality.

I think we can ignore the half-baked comments of "penny" and "Simeon" here.

The question of "Islamism" is a red herring and a separate issue. This is all territorial in nature.

The Greeks and the Turks have been playing "chicken" with each other in the Aegean pretty well ever since Greek independence.

Incidents like these are more frequent than you might realize; notwithstanding a lot of hot air and rhetoric, both sides generally try to keep dampen down these things afterwards.

Oops!

"both sides generally try to keep dampen down these things afterwards."

That should have been:

"both sides generally try to dampen down these things afterwards."

JJM, an obvious expert on Islam says:

The question of Islamism is a red herring..."

Ever heard of the Ottoman Turks there JJM? Did you hear what they did (in the 20th century) to the Armenians, the Greeks and any Christians who hadn't yet been exterminated?

Didn't think so.

Learn before you type. May I suggest you visit any number of websites. Here's one - thereligionofpeace.com. Go now before you type any further.

Darwin says... The removal of defective genes from the reproductive pool is a good thing for the rest of us.....I suspect this is actually a failed excercise in Darwin At Work ...one survived.

Add "Irwin Daisy" to the half-baked comments registry.

There hasn't been an Ottoman Empire since 1923. Using them to vent your spleen over modern Islamist extremism (an Arab/Pakistani rather than a Turkish inspired movement) is a red herring of itself.

As I stated, the Greek/Turkish stand-off in the Aegean is territorial and nationalistic. Linking it to some great Islamic world domination plot is silly.

Let's get serious here.

Hey everybody! Did you notice that Kate is a member of Mensa! ....as opposed to that stupid greek pilot...

JJM, with his arbitrary 'half baked' category again.

Gee JJM, I really wish all world conflicts were so simple to figure out. Wonder why they have territorial issues in the first place? Could it be that the Ottomans criminally occupied Greece for hundreds of years? But then, history has nothing to do with it - that is, in JJM's alternative world.

JJM, once again - do a little reading. Especially in regards to the Turkish slaughter of Greeks that went on well into the 30's.

Oh, and by the way - Islamic extremism isn't limited to the nice, neat little borders you put up.

Hey, no need to pop your head out of the sand though. Your 'insights' aren't helpful.

Irwin: face it, you're a wingnut.

You've spun another episode of longstanding Greek-Turkish brinkmanship in the Aegean into a massive Islamist conspiracy theory...

JJM: I didn't spin anything. All I did was add a little historical perspective that would more than likely add to the conflict.

Having said that though, I have to congratulate you. You're a classic lefty. Expose your ignorance, lose the argument, and on the way out the door, hurl an insult. Well done.

JJM: Spin? I see no spin. I added a little historical perspective to the conflict. That's all. Sorry it upset you.

However, I have to congratulate you on being a classic lefty. You expose your ignorance, lose the argument, then hurl insults on your way out the door. Well done.

This posting thing is proving troubling.

Well, I see I've been labelled a "classic lefty."

I'm quite bemused; "lefty" is just about the last thing I am.

The so-called "historical perspective" on this plane incident considered of:

1. A pre-emptive - and aberrant - rant by "penny."

2. An immediate demonization of Turkey by "Simeon" (but no surprise there, he's likely Greek).

4. Then "Irwin Daisy" chips in with a beef about the Ottoman Turks.

And yet the heart of the matter is amazingly straightforward: Greece and Turkey cheek-by-jowl in the Aegean, with Greek islands in some cases literally a stone's throw from the Turkish coast.

Given ancient animosities, national pride on both sides and territorial imperatives, it's actually amazing that the two countries don't get into major dust-ups a lot more often.

Personally, I thought "The Greek" had the best posting: disarming, humorous and patriotic all at the same time!

But I have to go now; I have to meet my Socialist Worker friends in Trafalgar Square for the big protest against squirrel vivisection and the Zionist-Halliburton occupation of Palestine.

"The so-called 'historical perspective' on this plane incident considered of:"

Damn! That should have read:

"The so-called 'historical perspective' on this plane incident consisted of:"

Gosh, I guess being a lefty seems to just turn your command of the language to mush!