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http://www.sketchythoughts.blogspot.com/2006/05/emergency-alert-trouble-in-caledonia.html

Emergency Alert: Trouble in Caledonia

*** EMERGENCY ALERT ***
If you can, supporters of the Six Nations are asked to head to the reclamation site as soon as you can.

Although the blockade in Caledonia was taken down today as a sign of good faith by the Six Nations people, this has been met with an escalation from the settler side. Further postings will follow later today, but at the moment reports are coming in of several hundred hostile settlers who have massed at the site of the confrontation. The people at the reclamation site need support now – if you can make it there please do so.
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Driving directions were given.
It appears that this situation may take some time to cool down.

It's time for the federal Government to step in, the Ontario Gov't. obviously has no will to do so. Lack of intestinal fortitude, maybe?
(Where's Trudeau and The War Measures Act, when we need him?)
Too bad this had to happen on Harper's watch, no matter what he does, the MSM will vilify him.
Now, let the merde hit the fan.

Time to send in the Marines. Enough already.

You beat me to it, dmorris! Agreed on the 'Harper will be the bad guy' prediction too.

And put them to work fixing that road that they dug up. If any one of us *non-natives* did something like that, we'd be arrested in no time. Look what our liberal society has created. Nice. Real nice.

"Them" meaning the natives.

Fairly good coverage at this site, click on the
title next to Daily Headlines (at the top) to get coverage on that story.

http://www.900chml.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428880912&rem=38511&red=80162123aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm

"These issues tend to collect extreme elements on both sides," said the former Ontario premier,

Enough with the word extreme already not everyone finds pleasure in sitting with their thumbs inserted in their behinds, while common sence is piddled away.

Maybe Harper will have to take care of things after all,as it seems testlicular fortitute isn't springing forth from the liberal intellect sent forth to save the day.

Wo what has changed in the Native leadership in Six Nations....this is a change from previous behaviour and tactics.

Who is in charge of Six Nations now and just how solidified are they and how are the dissenters kept quiet?

No questions asked any deeper than how many people were hurt today? Sad, this business will get out of control and no good can come of it.

But Harper wont wear it, it will be Dalton using the OPP. While a Toronto mayor will call in the army because of snow an Ontario premier will never call in the federal army. It will be the OPP.

My Dad was driving through Caledonia on the way to pick up my little brother from college on the weekend. He was not familiar with the area, and was forced to take a detour to get around the Native blockade. While driving significantly out of his way he was pulled over by an OPP officer. Apparently, the country road he was driving on was a 60 not an 80, like most rural roads. I'm not sure what he found more annoying, the fact that he was forced to take a OPP detour to get around the blockade (which the OPP won't end) or the fact that the OPP was also staking out and pulling over motorists on the detour.

It didn't matter that my dad was from out of town and had no idea about the detour or the unusual speed limit. The officer explained that since they set up the detour they've had a couple of accidents, caused by increased traffic, and speeding drivers. Most likely Caledonians trying to compensate for having to drive so far out of their way. Nice work, really appreciating the OPP.

dmorris said: "Too bad this had to happen on Harper's watch, no matter what he does, the MSM will vilify him."

Ipperwash happened on Chretien's "watch". No way can the Federal government move on this insurrection. It's up to Ontario: Ontario's Liberal Premier McGuinty is paralyzed; fearful of another "Ipperwash" on his watch. Nemesis is a bghftfd/bnmjh. ...

The Ipperwash Inquiry - Home Page [Liberal McGuinty] Government of Ontario on ... and report on events surrounding the death of Dudley George, who was shot in 1995 ...
ipperwashinquiry.ca

maz2; Every day this goes on increases the chances of a repeat of the Dudley George episode.
Tempers are flaring.
McGuinty has to show some leadership or his worst case scenario will happen.
BT: Do the Six Nations usually vote Liberal?

"Leasa" seems to be incoherent. Note time posted by "Leasa". ...

Subject: McGuinty, where's your balls?

Author:
Leasa

Time to request the army. Unlike these welfare drunken bums, we've worked hard and paid our taxes. This outage is terrorism...don't we have laws against that? What's the difference if a plane took out the transformers or these criminals?

Radio news just said that they are trying to 'negotiate' to let the hydro crews in to fix the damage but unlikely to happen soon, may be days. So, who's going to pay for my loss? My crops/frozen stock are not insurable. If we don't get the power back on P.D.Q. it will cost me over 100k.

I'm so pissed right now...I don't know if my ramblings are coherant. L ...

Date Posted: 15:44:19 05/22/06 Mon
In reply to: Leasa 's message, "Natives take out power!" on 15:34:15 05/22/06 Mon

The comments are from a site where each message has a posting time inserted automatically and the clock is out of whack.

Nice to know the OPP are enforcing the law in Caledonia...speed laws that is. I've always been a supporter of our police. This doesn't sit right.Who is calling the shots down there? They have already taken any respect and authority away from the mayor. And Peterson said the barricades came down as a gesture of trust on the part of the Natives(read...those poor Natives victimised again)Will the same Libs that called Morgan racist,call this racist? One 'race' destroys public property...no prob. Another 'race' speeds...big problem.Sound racist to me.

This is a Provincial problem. Harper has always promised to respect Provincial jurisdiction, and as we know (and are grateful for) He does just what he says he will. If it was a Federal matter, our PM would have this cleaned up by now.

I've been watching the standoff all day, except for a break for the Jays game and a three-inning nap (I know, sucks to be me.) and I was amazed to hear the CBC admit that BOTH sides are yelling slurs and being violent.

Thing is, if I lived in Caledonia and I was watching the main road being blockaded and even torn up by backhoes by a pack of hooligans, I;d be in the news yelling all kinds of stuff. Hell, I dont blame the non-natives for being pissed at being used as pawns in a BS Land Claim.

I just can't figure out why the Indians get off tearing up an important road, vandalising public property, screaming racist threats, and then acting as though they were the victims of (thier word here) genocide or war of agression against the poor sweet natives. (sarcasm mine)

I think a The Honorable Sandra "Lady Churchill" Pupatello, MPP quote is in order:

"You have to write laws that can be applicable to everyone."
http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/house_debates/36_parl/session1/L215.htm

There you go. Where's the laws for the tribal people?

More quotes on an as-needed basis. I have 60+ pages of them.

I support the people of Caledonia on this one. Why should their lives be disrupted for over a month because the Natives have a beef with a disputed development property. Why are the Natives using the people of Caledonia as pawns by blocking the roads? Why don't the Natives protest fairly by occupying the development property?

The beat goes on.I posted,what I believed was a simple question, on both the Caledonia site and the six nations site.If the land was leased,when does the lease expire? Guess what ,no one can answer because the land was never leased.It was SOLD.I find it truly hilarious that native spokeswoman Jennie Jameson(sp)is bemoaning the fact that whitey has blocked a road now and the O.P.P. are doing nothing.She says this is colonialism at it's finest.WTF,have they been doing for three months.Now is the time for action,arrest everyone,both sides, who don't get thier assaes off the highway.This protest is being closely watched by natives across the country.If the nations are compensated for thier bogus claim we may as well bring out the guns,because our laws are an ass.

I heard a radio newscast around mid-morning Calgary time.

The citizens had put up their blockade.

For me, the "you gotta be kidding moment" came when they played a clip of a native woman complaining that the citizen's blockade was "a human rights violation".

Mark M asked, "Why are the Natives using the people of Caledonia as pawns by blocking the roads?"

David Peterson said that the Natives have nothing against the citizens of Caledonia. They are merely "collateral damage."

And the taxpayers of Ontario are paying him for this insight?

hypocritical, eh?

Sounds to me like our governments and police forces aren't willing or able to hold on to their end of the pact they have with taxpayers, namely to act and defend. Sometin' bad bound to happen.

I have full respect for private property and if the natives' property (not yet, but soon to be 'private') was illegally expropriated then I support them entirely. That said, I opposed them until today, because they've had years to take this to the courts and haven't. Plus, as a so-called 'urban indian' (the same type of Indian whose lobby group gave its support to the tories in the last election) I hate those red-taliban.

Now as for today, they took down the blockade and were physicaly attacked for it. And the police stood there.

As members of a state we all surrender our right of self-defence to the state. The state then has a moral contract with us to use force in our name. If they won't use force to defend us, then they break this contract and we take back our right to defend ourselves.

The Ontario government has their head too far up their multi-culti a#@ to be able to effectively do their job - they should have taken down the native blockade the moment they got the injunction and then forced them to pursue their property claims by legal means. When the white blocakdes went up, they should have taken those down too. When those natives and whites were fighting on the streets - on TV today - they should have intervened and started arresting people. No individual has a right to use violence - regardless of how 'frustrated' they are (at least when the police are standing right there and are able to do something).

The fact that the police did just stand there means that this moral contract is broken. Those natives have a moral obligation to use force against anyone who challenges them.

This is exactly what guns are for - to defend your rights when the government is against you, or refuses to do its job. (and I've rarely seen a native house without an unregistered gun or rifle in it)

The best thing the Ontario government can do is to ask for the militarization of the situation to calm everybody down and separate these groups before they have cause to defend themselves and more importantly before this spreads to the truly radical (and armed) native communities.

PS - the 'War Measures Act' was replaced with the 'Emergencies Act'.

Civil Liberties will wet their collective jeans if we do the correct thing, stick to fair principle, and uphold the law.

Liberals et all will claim we are acting like China. Be that as it may, the innocent deserve to have their rights protected. The blocade must be removed and debate moved to the negotiating table.

TG

""Now as for today, they took down the blockade and were physicaly attacked for it. And the police stood there.""

That should be put the other way round. The residents of Caledonia put up a blockade and were physically attack. The Natives came toward the residents blockade, not vice versa.

The first step in resolving the dispute should be to keep the roads clear, period. Anyone blocking the roads should be incarcerated.

huge news on CBCpravda as there is no news on lactating mothers this evening.or lunatics with welfare grievances. "experts say" : "critics say" the usual blather.

from CBCpravdas website.
Loss of N.B. abortion service affects region
Last updated May 19 2006 04:24 PM ADT
CBC News

"this is exactly what guns are for,to defend the rights etc etc" is a bullshit statement.I guess by that standard the people of Calidonia can do the same to protect themselves and thier livelyhoods. Pull your head out man.

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Native protesters prepare to block Sask. highway

Last Updated May 22 2006 12:22 PM CDT
CBC News

Some members of Saskatchewan First Nations who sympathize with the blockade in Ontario say they will block a major highway near North Battleford Monday afternoon.

And that could spell trouble for holiday travellers on the Yellowhead Highway near North Battleford.

The Saskatchewan protesters, who are from First Nations in the North Battleford district, are planning to set up a blockade on both bridges crossing the North Saskatchewan River.

Thousands of vehicles heading east from Alberta and the western part of the province are expected to pass that way as the Victoria Day weekend comes to a close.

Marcia Neault of the Poundmaker Reserve says the First Nations members want to draw attention to the long-standing dispute in Caledonia, Ontario, and to First Nations land issues everywhere.

"We're doing that in solidarity with Caledonia, and all lands that have been taken over by people that are non-Indian," she said.

Neault said Monday morning the barricade will go ahead at North Battleford, even though the aboriginal blockade was taken down this morning in Caledonia.

Shortly after Neault made her comments, a native blockade went up again at the Ontario town.

Tensions in that town remain high, with another blockade being put in place by non-aboriginal people.

Dozens of Ontario Provincial Police have been called to the scene to keep two sides apart.

"from CBCpravdas website.
Loss of N.B. abortion service affects region
Last updated May 19 2006 04:24 PM ADT
CBC News"

Well, I don't know how much it will affect things here in New Brunswick. The Chalmers Hospital in Fredericton was the only hospital in NB providing abortions. They are discontinuing the service. They carried out around 400 last year. People can still receive abortions at Morgenthaler's private clinic, for a price.

I'm still mulling the first post on this subject. The Settlers are attacking the indians? Did the calidonians arrive by canoe and chase the indians off their land and built a log Cabin Wallmart? Boy, Ive got to dig out my old Canadian history book,English Edition

When residents lose frozen items because the power outage, when stores lose inventory, when another native tries to drive thru the residents, (never noticed natives being driven into) in a very expensive vehicle, there is going to bloodshed, possible death, and all out war. Good thing we are not in Iraq, if that is the way the liberals try to settle things-do nothing and it will go away. The fallout of this will last for years, if not generations. And, instead of gaining sympathy in the rest of Canada, all native groups will feel more hatred than ever before. Who do we thank for this-human rights courts, liberals, civil liberty groups, or first nation citizens who think they are above the law. Watch for a major change to the Indian Act, making them Canadians first, and making all treaties null and void. The other choice is to give them some vacant land (Hans Island comes to mind) a spear, bow and arrow, loin cloth and let them live as their ancestors did. Let each native vote which way he/she wants to live. Time to call their bluff.

Damn Natives. This is an illegal occupation of Canadian soil and the fact that nobody's doing anything is pathetic. McGuinty's got the smallest penis of any Liberal who has ever been in power. Why doesn't Harper intervene?

Rob C - That is exactly what I'm saying. That's why government inaction is so criminal. When the government fails in its responsibility to physically defend people, it forces them - all of them - to defend themselves.

If some idiot laid his hands on me, and the police just stood there - you can be certain that I'd break out my rifle before he came back. And if the same thing happened to my neighbour, I'd be sure to help him out too.

Now as for using a gun to defend my livelihood - it doesn't seem to be something that requires the immediate use of armed force. Protecting my ass does.

The army needs to get in there and keep these people apart and start enforcing laws before people get hurt.

Looks good on Liberal Ontario.

Wow, where do I start?

David Peterson - useless typical Liberal - 'nuff said.

Human/civil rights. There are two sets in Canada. One for the taxpayer and one for the 'aboriginal peoples'.

Residents of Caledonia - I salute you for taking a stand. This is ridiculous - particularly the power disruption.

Provicial government - (see David Peterson above)

OPP - shame

Natives! - you are a defeated people. You fought for 'your land' and you lost. This has happened to
many 'civilizations' throughout history. Get over it.

You have no right to 'claim' lands. You receive far more than you deserve. You should receive nothing from the taxpayer and assimilate.

Federal government - deduct all costs for power repair/road repair/bridge repair and incidental costs incurred by local residents due to the previous illegal activities from the moneys that should not be paid to aboriginal peoples but will no doubt be paid anyway.

HAHAAHAAAAA, WHAT A JOKE. LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IN ACTION. DO NOTHING, SAY NOTHING. Thing is all this inaction by the proper authorities has put the onus on the citizens to do something about it making the whole fiasco look as if it was the residents of Caledonia to blame, then the Fiberals govt can say they were intervening to keep the peace. What a bunch of hypocritical bullshit by this pansywansy Liberal government. Time for the Indians to GET OVER IT. The Settlers won the war, you lost. Get a job and quit whining. Youve gotten more than most people will get in 10 lifetimes and youve squandered it. Get over it.

CONTEXT PLEASE! I am very proud of my own Cherokee blood. My great-great grandmother was cast out of the tribe for consorting with "whites". She was taken in by a settler family, and is now buried right beside them. I visit and decorate her grave around Memorial Day every year.

Historical atrocities were committed in the past against Indians, viewed in our modern light. The same light should shine on Indian history. What if modern Americans started scalping Mexican illegal immigrants? Why should historical and current "native" racism and double-standards be treated as something of a cultural right and ignored?

Should Indians be made to choose to live in this world or the past world? Eat or die by what you can kill by arrow/spear? Grow and crush your corn or wheat with your own hands or starve? Live in mud huts? Tame your own wild pony for transportation? Weave your cloth, sew your clothes, beat them on river rocks? Shamans delivering babies and no modern medical care?

Consider what would happen if the modern democracies denied their native populations access to electricity, motorized transportation, grocery stores, modern plumbing, manufactured clothing, the right to vote...

The current state of Liberal historical revisionism is not true to historical reality. The clock cannot be turned back, and if given the REAL choice, "natives" would not choose that life. "Natives" who do not want to live within the laws of established democratic nation-states should be shown the Iberian Straight and told to hit the road back to where THEIR ancestors came from.

The sins of the past on all sides must be measured with the same stick and FORGIVEN. We are fused together NOW. I thank God I am an American, and am eternally grateful to live in a lawful democratic society where I am free to rise to the apex of my own talents. What modern mind could not prefer self-determination and freedom to the confines of a prescribed tribal role of back-breaking labor and 40 year lifespans? Victimhood status is self-destructive. Can we get some real leadership within native communities?

Natives in this country are so use to being pandered to,they don't know when to stop.

When it comes to upholding the law,the OPP doesn't know where to start.

The residents of Caledonia,living under seige,still don't know when it will all end.

Excuse my utter lack of tact,but...F*CK the
Indians.

The people of Ontario elected Liberano/Dipper governments. The responsibility lies directly with the people who elected useless people to run their governments. Next time choose differently. It is not a place for the Federal government - get the weasly Dalton out on the barricades and demand that he solve the problem that he and his ilk have created. Get some of those mealy mouthed MSM reporters from Torrana to go with him.

Part of me wants to laugh my butt off at this, and part of me is cringing. McGuinty is all macho when picking on Stafforshire terriers, but he is a tower of jello when a bunch of human malcontents (much more dangerous than dogs IMO) wreak havoc in Caledonia. What a snivelling coward. Canadians may be about to find themselves in some of the most "interesting" times since the War of 1812 and the Upper Canada rebellion. Where's William Lyon McKenzie when you need him?

Didn't the Mayor of Caledonia state at the outset of this debacle that the army should be called in, a statement she was roundly criticised for from all quarters.

Well now, in hindsight, it appears she was right.

I find some of the quotes in the news stories totally and amazing brainless.

What kind of negotiation can you expect when the negotiator is blaming whitie for all the problems.
David Peterson: "The behaviour on some of these folks today was not constructive," the former Ontario premier told Canadian Press. "This situation was settled today. It was settled today, I remind you of that, and the barricade was coming down today."

When a van tried to drive through the residents blockade and run down people prompting a fistfight.
"They're instigating, [they're] a bunch of irate radicals," said Janie Jamieson, a spokeswoman for the native protesters.

Then of course this
Several native and non-native demonstrators were injured in scuffles after natives blocked the highway with an electrical transmission tower and then used two large backhoes to tear a trench across the road in front of their blockade.

A native spokesperson approached the non-native demonstrators and told them: "If you leave, we won't dig up the land." But they ignored him.

But they did dig up the road and had the nerve to complain about the counter blockade by the residents.
"That's colonialism at its finest," Jamieson told CBC News in a midday interview as natives arrived at the site, where Ontario Provincial Police officers tried to keep the peace.

"The OPP is witnessing it but nobody's doing anything about it," Jamieson said.

I just hope this thing is settled before the summer heat flares tempers to the boiling point.
Quotes are from the CBC newstory found on its website.

Expect leadership from Dalton McGuinty and the rest of his faceless crowd?

This standoff just goes to show that in a crisis you definitely don't want the Peterpans of the world--I won't grow up, I won't grow up--Liberals of any stripe (with mediator [sic] David Peterson) in the government. These guys only know how to fleece the public and spout left-lib platitudes; it's like feeding pablum to a teenager, who actually needs a fridge full of REAL food--in a fridge THAT WORKS.

This whole standoff is a farce and a disgrace. The Natives who have vandalized and blockaded the road should have been jailed, and quickly. They have broken Ontario laws and they should not be let off the hook. Parallel governments, different laws for some Ontarian/Canadian citizens, DON'T WORK.

Caledonia is proof of that. McGuinty had better start taking a whopping dose of hormones to grow the apparatus needed to deal with this one. I'm not holding my breath.

The MSM is reporting this as 'young' prople from Caladonia are the ones putting up the 'white' blockade. The natives are using the heavy equipment from the developer they have shut down to dig up the roads. Schools and businesses are closed because the electricity is down.
No one, to my knowledge, has mentioned where the natives are getting the hydro towers they are using for the blockade. Is that not the property of the Ontario Hydro--the same department that owns the cables etc that have been cut?
And after this the Ontario taxpayer will be held to account for all the repairs. What is wrong with this picture?

Martin's Kelowna Accord.

Liberal Ex-PM Martin tables his private member's bill in Parliament on Wednesday, 17 May, 2006.

Martin leaves the House.

Later the same day, the House votes re the Canadian mission to Afghanistan.

Liberal Ex-PM Martin was not in the House.

AdScam SSMartin, lobbyist, for the Chiefs.

Martin, a hug-a-thug Liberal, hugs the Chiefs.

This is the way the Liberals play. ....

Honour Kelowna accord, Martin's bill urges

BILL CURRY

Ottawa -- Liberal MP Paul Martin, the former prime minister, introduced a private member's bill yesterday calling on the government to honour last November's $5.1-billion Kelowna agreement for aboriginals.

"We believe it is vital that the government of Canada honour its commitment," he told the House.

Mr. Martin's name was picked sixth overall in a lottery this year, allowing him to be one of the first MPs to put a bill forward for a vote.
globemail

This has been going for weeks. It only now has made the top of CBCpravdas radar screen. I suppose they hoped it would go away. or maybe their agenda called for retaliation by the community of Caledonia before they felt it should be reported. that way it may appear balanced between native and non- native.

Anyone know what tribe the natives represent? are they really the locals of 200 years ago. or are they like the Woodland Cree and actually displaced other natives who may have been there 200 years ago. There are lots of "native " groups who are not native to where they are located now.
Souix in Alberta, Cree near Edmonton.

Lawlessness is tolerated by Liberals McGuinty/Peterson et al at Caledonia.

Number of "immigrants" to Canada ordered deported, yet still at large... 35,000.

The story below is using the words "detention centre". Those two words mask/hide the real place of detention. OK to shout out the word? JAIL.

Is there a jail in Caledonia? There is one in Ottawa for farmers. ...

Van Hauves Remain in Detention Centre
Josh Pringle
Monday, May 22, 2006

Michel Van Hauve says if Canada Border Services wants to send him to Belgium, put him on a plane.

The Navan farmer says he's ready to give up his deportation fight instead of spending his days being held in an Ottawa detention centre.

Michel Van Hauve and his son are being held in the Ottawa-Carleton Detention Centre after being arrested by Ottawa Police on Saturday.

The two were pulled over by police during a routine traffic stop when officers discovered an outstanding warrant had been issued.

The Van Hauves have been hiding on and off since January while fighting a deportation order to their native Belgium. ... cfra.com

The natives have already fought the battle over this land in court - and lost. The land was sold by the Six Nations in 1841. This has been upheld in court decisions over the past several years. Check out www.citizensofcaledonia.ca where there are copies of all of the historical documents, not to mention various court orders and injunctions that are not being enforced by the OPP or our goverment.

While I don't condone violence, it's not hard to see that when the authorities let one group get away with breaking the law, to the detriment of another group, that lawlessness will result.

Harris was embroiled in a scandal over Ipperwash because he basically told the OPP to do their jobs and enforce the law. It now appears that McGuinty (or someone in his government) has told them to do the opposite in this case.

I have relatives living in Caledonia, there is so much going on that the MSM has completely ignored. Anyone who speaks out at all against the natives occupation gets bombarded with e-mail and phone threats. Natives have gone door to door telling people that they better be ready to get out in 30 days because the land is going to be theirs. And so on.

This situation has the potential to have a huge effect on hundreds of thousands of Ontario residents directly, and all Canadians eventually. The natives want to turn the clock back to the orignal Haldiman land grant in the 18th century that gave them all land for 6 miles either side of the Grand River. Have a look at a map - that is a huge area, much of it heavily populated. And, then, what is to stop natives across the country from occupying land their ancestors sold and demanding the same treatment?

Our governments must stop this. Unfortunately this is a provincial matter - I believe that unless McGuinty specifically asks for Federal assistance, there is not much the Harper government can do.

The disputed native land would be any city province or territory in Canada," claims could be made on everything." In the case of Caledonia, the land was given as a reward for helping out in a war. It was never intended to become anything more than a peaceful farming community. As for the roads" wake up" you are living in Canada. The government can take land from any Canadian, if they need to build roads. The problem is the natives think they’re not Canadian, and the Laws do not apply.

Native protesters set up on Sask. highway
Last Updated May 22 2006 12:22 PM CDT
CBC News

Some members of Saskatchewan First Nations who sympathize with a blockade by natives in Ontario set up a blockade of their own at a major highway near North Battleford Monday afternoon.

It was a short-lived protest and by 2 p.m., traffic was again flowing on the Yellowhead Highway near North Battleford.

Thats the way to do it. If the criminal elements among the Natives break the law by blocking public roads they should be removed immediately.

http://www.cbc.ca/sask/story/sk-protesters060522.html

Calls for military to save Caledonia
May, 23 2006 - 4:00 AM

Listen To Broadcast
CALEDONIA (AM900 CHML) - Haldimand Mayor Marie Trainer wants the military to come in and diffuse the situation in Caledonia.
A state of emergency is in effect in the town and schools are closed following Monday's events near the native barricades.

The day began with the removal of the barricade on Argyle Street, but things deteriorated from there, with a violent confrontation between aboriginal protesters and young Caledonia residents.

The native's re-establish the barricade early in the afternoon.

In addition to laying a hydro tower across the road they used a bulldozer to dig up a section of the road.

Matters were made worse after someone vandalized the local power transformer, cutting off electricity to some 64-hundred customers in the area.

Hydro One's Laura Cooke says it could be days before power is fully restored.

There are cancellations in the area because of this.

Schools in Caledonia, Simcoe and Waterford are closed as a result.

McKinnon Park Child Care Centre in Caledonia is also closed.

The Simcoe administration office is closed today because of the lack of power.

The blackout, coupled with the tense standoff, pushed municipal officials to declare a state of emergency late last night.

More at
http://www.900chml.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428880912&rem=38511&red=80162123aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm

maz2...

It seems that your worse than the Indians in Caledonia. You do nothing all day but stir up the shit pot. Blame everybody but yourself and are off topic most of the time.

Do you have a job? Who pays you? Earn your money like the rest of us. Why don't you give your computer a rest and get some fresh air. The oxygen will be refreshing!

Nutjob alert,

Don't feed C.O.

It's those damned white settlers trying to exterminate the indigenous peoples yet again. Apparently, the trench the aboriginals dug across the main street was to stop the slaughter of innocents. They also mention that "The Caledonia transformer station (the main source of power for the surrounding Norfolk and Haldimand counties) is out of service, leaving thousands of area residents without electricity", while neglecting to mention it was actually burned out by, well... themselves.

http://nefac.net/node/2089

The blockades are put back up in the early afternoon after the non-indigenous blockaders surround a car with a reporter and Six Nations women, smash the car windows, and then attack Six Nations people coming to the aid of those in the car.

People at the reclamation site dig up pavement, creating a trench across Argyle Road to stop the mob from swarming the camp.

Reportage courtesy of The Northeastern Federation of Anarcho-Communists. "To achieve such a society, we must bring an end to patriarchy, white supremacy and class domination; smash State power; expropriate the wealth of the rich; abolish the wage system and market economy; and socialize the means of production and distribution for the benefit of society as a whole."

Fristly, Tom Penn. "Victimhood status is self-destructive." You are already one of the smartest persons I know :)

Secondly this quote from above (Robert). I seldom meet people that think the government is not against them. And basing vigilante actions on that and percieved wrongs is a very dangerous view. When (groups) take up arms based on percieved wrongs you get war.... every war is history has a percieved wrong to justify it. Today we saw fist fights in the streets, a "non-native" protestor swiped with a car (hmmm only 1 reference to it??), and actions taken like blockading a blockade and power being cut. Please everyone do not introduce weapons in the hands of the public (both sides) to such a mix. No good can come from that.

"The fact that the police did just stand there means that this moral contract is broken. Those natives have a moral obligation to use force against anyone who challenges them.

This is exactly what guns are for - to defend your rights when the government is against you, or refuses to do its job. (and I've rarely seen a native house without an unregistered gun or rifle in it)"

Lastly I will say what I said before: This is a matter for the courts and the government to decide with the six nations. I have no idea if the claims have merit, but they might be justified. BUT, Not one negotiator not one lawyer should be hired until this is all over. Not one finger should be lifted to deal with this until the arrest and trial of everyone occupying land or causing damages.

Whether or not the claim has merit is not important to this current matter. Acts against the law must be dealt with. Or the next time (whoever is involved) it just escalates farther as boundries are tested. We are a lawful and respectful society,... are't we?

The blockades are put back up in the early afternoon after the non-indigenous blockaders surround a car with a reporter and Six Nations women, smash the car windows, and then attack Six Nations people coming to the aid of those in the car.

Yep, that's mighty curious reporting. They forget to mention that these natives in their SUV tried to MOW their way through the Caledonia residents human chain blockade.

BTW, am I seeing things or is that a Hydro Ontario tower making up part of the Native blockade this am? Hmmm, may have something to do with the power disruptions going on in the region.

"Whether or not the claim has merit."
You missed the point the natives, lost the land claim, and refuse to accept it. Knowing full well they can not win in court of law. In Canada, if you resort to an armed struggle you get payouts $$$ this is what needs to stop.

Dolton McSquinty will botch the Calidonia mess as he has every other justice/crime issue he touches....he has a particular problem with applying the law equally and identifying true criminals....the biggest effort we have seen Dolton and his comical side kick JM Bryant engage in is using all the state cooersion he can muster to goon struggling Farmers, indignant landowners and hunters and tarhet shooters in the province, while ethnic gangs shoot up TO at will with illegal guns smuggeled in from the Brantford first nations reserve.

Dyslexic Dolton can't tell a criminal from an irate tax payer....but ain't that the gawd awful truth about all bloviating pencil neck liberal plutocrats.

Well just heard on the news (CKRZ)that the baricades are coming back down...But they should actually keep the Argyle street barricade up and re-route all traffic AROUND Caledonia...Call it strike one from what happened yesterday...
But if they want to take it down...thats okay we are ALL WAITING...for strike two

I suggest that the residents of Caledonia stop paying all taxes until the government does its job.

Why would you pay for services not rendered?

The top priority of government is law and order. If that isn't done, the government looses its legitimacy. Why should people have to pay for it?

Strike two should consist of the politicians a OPP getting off their LAZY ASSES and outfitting (at public expense of course)with handcuffs, every single native protestor that they can link to burning the bridges, disrupting the power and, any other other ILLEGAL act that they think they are immune to. I love how any time a "Native" dispute starts that they start shipping othe "Natives" in from other parts of Canada and the States. And where ever you see "Native" quoted, read "TERRORIST"

Eskimo: "time to send in the marines"

This is Canada, we dont' have Marines. Besides that, most of our fighting units are over in Aftganistan, the ones left (and probably a sizeable chunk of the military) are pencil pushers and military brass who have never seen a rifle except in basic training...

One sign at the native road block: "Oh Canada your home on native land". If this does not wake up the country nothing will. The politicians suck! Who is protecting the citizens of Caledonia? If they take any action they are the first to be arrested. This is just blantant reverse discrimination. This is going to happen across this country, in every province, on freehold land only in Canada and I'm not making this up!

robert: "...and the police just stood there - you can be certain that I'd break out my rifle before he came back."

Probably the reason the cops were just standing there - they were waiting for the Gun Registry computer to report back to see if your rifle was registered...

;-)

"Caledonia" - the next best thing to reality tv for canada.

Wonder when they'll make a movie out of it, and of course twist the truth, like how Steilberg did to "Munich".

We'll have soul searching, ask indirect stupid questions when you're nation's livelyhood is at stake, look like the bad guys for not sitting down and having dialouge and discourse with terrorists.

Maybe call Caledonea "Munich II - the ugly canadian"?

Posted by: David Brown:

"maz2...

It seems that your worse than the Indians in Caledonia. You do nothing all day but stir up the shit pot. Blame everybody but yourself and are off topic most of the time.

Do you have a job? Who pays you? Earn your money like the rest of us. Why don't you give your computer a rest and get some fresh air. The oxygen will be refreshing!

Nutjob alert,

Don't feed C.O"...

More for Dave from Peterson:

Peterson blasts both sides
Clashes 'snatch defeat from jaws of victory,' ex-premier says
May 23, 2006. 10:26 AM
RICHARD BRENNAN
GTA BUREAU CHIEF

BRANTFORD - A fragile peace between Caledonia residents and Six Nation protestors was shattered by thoughtless thugs on both sides, former Ontario premier David Peterson said today. ...
via googlenews

I just saw a clip in which a citizen of Caledonia was saying that Harper should "do something".
I am unclear about who is responsible for what issues when it comes to native issues. I have heard that this problem in Caledonia is a provincial responsibility. If that is so, where does the Federal Government fit in this picture?
I have a feeling that pressure will be brought to bear on the Prime Minister, helped no doubt by the MSM.

Pot Stirring....

KKK is able to import speakers to incite racist violence. This flyer was put out a week ago and nothing’s been done since then. We still need people to stand with us. Any help is appreciated. Keep writing the Governor General, the Prime Minister, the Queen and everybody in the world. Tell them what’s happening to us.

Kahentinetha Horn
MNN Mohawk Nation News

I do business every day in Caledonia. This has been a peaceful protest with locals/police/natives smiling and being friedly with each other.

This peace as well as the progess that has been made lately was shattered by conservative thugs on the weekend. Yes, that's right. The same conservative confrontational mentality that exists on this blog became all to real over the weekend.

As I write this Caledonians are gathering up their belongings and are leaving town in a mass hysterical exodus. I met 2 of them this morning while having breakfast in a Hamilton diner. They fear for the safety of their children.

I want all you conservative anal pores that haven't been within a 1,000 KM of Caledonia to shut your pie holes and do what you do best...google your life away.

P.S.

maz2, You can come out of your basement anytime now!

Lee: "...provincial responsibility. If that is so, where does the Federal Government fit in this picture?"

How true, this is starting to sound like the Hurrican Katrina mess of finger pointing...and nothing gets done.

Although IO have worked for years to support Aboriginal development, I have now lost all sympathy for Aboriginal causes. We should provide them with opportunity to succeed in our society the same way everyone else does and drop this cultural discrimination. If they want to preserve their culture, they can do it on their own ticket. This civil disobedience nonsense should be stopped with unequivocal force.

Time to treat the natives like western farmers were when they sold their own wheat-jail, fines, confiscation. Didn't a farmer in Ont recently have his chickens confiscated. How many highways, developments, pipelines etc have been put in by confiscating land from cdns. How many homes and settlements have been moved and flooded for dams to be built. Oh, that was ok as it was owned by non natives. Too many claims have been settled by chicken govts because it made them feel good, without thinking ahead. These natives are no better than the terrorists who protested a cartoon. Time to use the proper terms, they are terrorists. I agree, all payments to all natives should have the costs of the damage done deducted equally from all tribes across Canada. Can't wait for the AG to audit the Indian dept., and follow the money to a few chiefs and their families, while the rest of the residents live in abject poverty. Abolish the department, abolish the reservations, quit treating the natives like special people. These terrorists are giving a bad name and image to the many natives who have productive jobs, families and values.

How will all this affect the next Ont provincial election. Will Toronto still vote for this inept crowd, both provincially and Federally.

maryT: Well said!!
I know a few natives who wouldnt live on a reserve for anything. They are doing just as well as anyone else in Canada who doesnt depend on the government.
They tell me that the worst racists in Canada live on the reserves.

Unfortunately, I think we all know how this will end up...it was predicted earlier. The government will roll over and give in to the thugs as part of their dispute resolution process. The same always goes for illegal union strikes as well...they are not punished, all is forgiven for the sake of labour peace.

Politicians are in there for "a good time, not a long time"...they have no desire to actually SOLVE problems. They just want the problems to "GO AWAY"...and giving in to the thugs accomplishes this nicely. The politicians have a whole host of creative writers on staff to dream up good excuses for whatever they decide to do...and they know that BS baffles brains (and that's NOT Belinda Stronach, by the way).

Very sad. They will never be held accountable. Ever. There is no white knight to ride in and save the law abiding taxpayers from thugs or the government...we will forever be trapped as indentured serfs.

Censorship has it's priveleges.

What a bunch of chickens.

Cluck cluck puk puk.

Doesn't it strike you as rather strange that we (the rest of Canada) will have to pay for both ends of this dispute. We'll provide the money for the FN folks to defend themselves in court (when we finally get of our collective rear-ends and arrest 'em), as well as paying to prosecute them for illegal activities. That's if we ever get to that stage.

I'd suggest chopping off all the welfare cheques for a start. That might get some attention (but probably on from the UN).

Ridiculous state of affairs, if you ask me.

Pot Stirring....

KKK is able to import speakers to incite racist violence. This flyer was put out a week ago and nothing’s been done since then. We still need people to stand with us. Any help is appreciated. Keep writing the Governor General, the Prime Minister, the Queen and everybody in the world. Tell them what’s happening to us.

Kahentinetha Horn
MNN Mohawk Nation News

Posted by: maz2 at May 23, 2006 11:25 AM

Whats happening to you!!!!!!! LOL I will tell you what's happening... You are breaking the law, you have terrorised a community, You have nothing but contempt for Canadian laws or Canadian values (except of course when it benefit's you i.e. land grant's, free tuition, free medical, dental and other benefits) The Federal Government should put the Military in immediately (and yes, I am Military) to put an end to this. The fact that this is a provincial matter makes no difference when the provincial government abbrogates it responsibily, besides the Ontario laws do not apply to Natives as they are a seperate nation (once again, only when it suits them.) It is time a hardline was taken with these criminals (not all natives, just the protestors) as mentioned before can you imagine if we whities pulled this type of shit, can say locked up.

Interesting poll over at CTV Website-

How do you think the government should resolve the native standoff in Caledonia, Ont.?

Use force
3342 votes (59 %)

Continue negotiations
1806 votes (32 %)

Give in to native demands
530 votes (9 %)

Total Votes: 5678

Results as of 12:45 pm, EST.

http://www.ctv.ca/

Nutjob alert,

Kate in her wisdom has not allowed an eyewitness report from Caledonia on this thread.

It seems that googled results are more important than firsthand ones.

Many conservatives on this thread have made thugish comments but as soon as someone links these thugs to current events in Caledonia the eraser comes out.

Shame on you Kate...you don't think or speak for me.

Dave,

Kate has not "allowed" what?

It would be hard for a "first-hand" report to be entered on the comments when the area has NO HYDRO because the indians broke it and won't let the utility company fix it.

How many eye-witness accounts do you need before you advocate the police upholding the law?

Kate also didn't claim to speak for you - that's why she included a comments section.

Dave seems to be in favor of terrorism in Canuckistan. I just want to know why.

Dave,no need for the warning,most here can see you are a nutjob...
I find it sadly predictable you claim to be offended by thuggish remarks,yet you openly condone thuggish behavior!
Oops,I forgot,it is ALWAYS the whitemans' fault isn't it?Well,I refuse to hide behind the politically correct nonsense in this country that protects the natives who repeatedly force their way to the trough with claims of oppression.It's only fair isn't it,if natives can openly declare their HATRED of the whiteman(and,oh boy,it surely exists)then I will certainly openly express my disgust at most natives' neverending demands,and neverending social ills.ENOUGH!Take responsibility for yourselves!
These natives,in particular,have demonstrated they don't give a rats behind about the well-being of their white neighbors,or even the LAW,for that matter.I will certainly be happy to show them the very same courtesy.
Don't mess with the goodwill of the average Canadian,it is already fragile and the only thing keeping these native charades going.And you wouldn't want to damage the gravy train,would you?

BTW,if you don't want to listen to my views,that's OK.Just leave your address so I can barricade your driveway till you see it my way!.

Alert : Missing premier (shurely 'person'? - Ed) in Ontario: Please help if you can: http://doggerelparty.blogspot.com/2006/05/have-you-seen-this-man.html

Just noticed on my TV that the barricade is coming down, the backhoe is now being used to clear things up. I'm sure people like Peterson will be patting themselves on the back regarding their negotiations. Frankly, I think it's amazing what a little righteous anger can do, isn't it?

1 law for all Canadians.
anything else, is not going to be ok.
Not this summer, not next summer.

Was this a land sale, or a land lease?
If it was a lease, break the lease, settle the dollar value, and be done with it.

If it was a sale, then the law court needs to do their job.
Needs to make a decision.
Needs to earn their $230.000. / year.

This isn't a political decision, that'll come next election Mr.McGuinty.

good thing these people weren't trying to sell wheat to the USA. without the CWB.

marc... or, Praise Be, trying to have illegal laying hens on their 'property'...

A personal boycott of native business is now in effect until Six Nations makes reparations for damages and losses in Caledonia.

"Kate" was in town working while "browned off Dave" was being "censored" - by the spam filter.

Kate when you say the word work all the lefties start getting sick and well you never know but they might try something stupid to get even.

It is both hilarious and pathetic, watching Dalton McGuinty and the MSM trying to lay this issue at the feet of PM Stephen Harper. Anyone can see that we are observing yet another failure of leadership by Dalton McGuinty. Sending in “broken-hearted” David Peterson to avoid political fall-out has backfired as it was bound too. Peterson claims that everything was going swimmingly and suddenly “something happened” proving that, yes he was there, but he did not know what was really going on. Why is he being praised as a good negotiator?

I am not a ‘non-native’ I am Canadian, as are the people of Caledonia.

The MSM keep using this absurd language. As I understand it the Natives deny that they are “Canadian” – just like Quebec separatists – and maintain that they are Native-First-Nations-Aboriginals. Their signage and language addresses Canada and Canadians as the “Other”; so be it. Under these circumstances it is hardly ‘racist’ to simple refer to the Natives as Natives and the people of Caledonia as Canadians.

I refuse to buy into the language of spin doctors and liars; the appeasers of what can only be defined as terrorism.

The media are reporting that the hydro to Caledonia has been cut by a generic act of “vandalism”. We all know who the “vandals” are and no amount of politically-correct speech can cloud this fact.

Mary T and Lee - exactly. Reserves are crap places because of the indolent, blame whitey crowd. They're natives only in colour, they have no connection to the culture, which for the most part required you to get off your ass and earn a living and which had respect for private property.

Only 47% of natives actually live on reserve and that number is fast declining. The ones still there are old, or people whose only form is success is in the magnitude of their victimhood and the size of the stick up their ass.

And as for racists - on the reserve I lived on, you called your employee 'your nig#er'. You didn't eat noodles because you'd turn into 'a chinaman' and you just plain hated people from India.

Corrupt, undemocratic, backward, crap, hell-holes - the sooner they're broken up into privately held land, the better.

Say goodnight, Dalton.

Goodnight, Dalton.
...

McGuinty 'pleased' with developments in Caledonia
Premier Dalton McGuinty said today that he has no plans to ask Prime Minister Stephen Harper to send the army in to Caledonia, reports the Toronto Sun.
via cnews

Did anyone catch the item about something similar to Caledonia going on in Sudbury?
I just caught the tail end of it, so im not real sure about the details.

Actually, all said and done,and when done, what will have been accomplished by the natives actions?

well it does focus on the ineptness of the Liberal Party of Ontario.

so "something" was accomplished... haha.

What was accomplished by the Natives in Caledonia is that they have been empowered to do it again-they got away with their criminal acts-we sit back and wait to see how the government caves in -once again -what are they going to give them now?

She:kon!

Canada has proven once again that the ONLY way to deal with land claims legitimately is to take the land back, and then negotiate. Your courts are biased. Your land claims commission is bureaucratic. However, our reclamation process is effective and timely.

We'll continue to go with what works, unless you encourage your government to honestly and diligently uphold the agreements they have made and come up with a process that works.

Don't forget that Canada and Canadians have no land base. All treaties are leases that allowed your co-habitation with us and since you are now in default, we have no choice but to evict you, one household at a time.

O:nen