And yet I've heard stories like this before. Schools are pretty much empty during class, and its hard to tell exactly who is supposed to be there and who isn't. Wouldn't surprise me if it happened.

I've heard similar reports in the Toronto news once in a while.

Other than in the classrooms, that is...

I questioned this from the start, and recalled, when I was at school, a particular girl who made several reports of being accosted by a 'flasher' that none of the other girls ever saw.

Agreed- the story is 'hollow' at best.

I suspect the school will be asking for additional funds for sex ed classes for second graders.

The description also rings a little hollow.

black man with ORANGE streaks in his hair?

first off that is a dead giveaway. He'd have been caught by now.

second, what black man puts orange in his hair?

Sounds like a troubled little girl. But not groped in the washroom.

"...doesn't make a lot of sense..."

Probably a Liberal.

Just heard a reporter from Winnipeg state that he walked into a school, asked an adult for directions to the bathroom, was directed to the bathroom the children use(not the staff bathroom), was not asked why he was there or anything else. As he was new to the area he was not known to the people in the area. This is the norm rather than the exception. Schools are the supermarkets for pedophiles and molesters. When will we wake up and smell the danger?

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Far more abuses occur from family members or family friends. Wake up and smell the danger!!!!!! Sheesh
enough

I agree with Irwin, this guy fits the profile of a Liberal moonbat. A Conservative kook would have attempted this during children's Sunday School.

On the radio this morning in winnipeg they said some media type went into 3 schools and easily gained acess to the washrooms.

He even talked to the teachers and was never even questioned as to his presence.

Even though the policy is that all adult volunteers are to wear tags.

I keep my children home from school on election day.

Once my wife was there all kinds of strangers wandering through the entire school and 2 girls age 5 or 6 walk by they could have been grabbed and taken out any door they are all open.

And on voting day if 5 or 6 polling stations are set up possibly 1000 people wander through. From reading the papers my guess is that more than 1 in a thousand are pedophiles.

Bet children who are homeschooled have no such worries.

I've walked through and not been seen so I think it would be easy. Teachers in a room with 20 children don't worry about who is walking in the hall.

Plus there are no Males working there and unlike hollywood movies I doubt any of the teachers at my daughters school could stand up to any guy carting off a 5-6 year old if they get caught in the act.

Me thinks they need an affirmative action program to get more males.

Kate, a grown man preying on children doesn't make sense, so we shouldn't be surprised that his methods are somewhat stupid.

None of us really have a clue whether this really happened or not, so its rather pointless to go on about it.

But I can see how it could happen, quite easily.

Where I live (small town Alberta) parents are welcome in the primary (K-3) scool anytime to check on their kids, sit in the classroom and watch, help out, whatever. Any adult can walk in, roam the hallways, and more often than not no one will bat an eye. It was not like that when I was that age, when the ONLY adults you saw in the schools were school staff.

When a child has to go to the bathroom during class they go alone, a lot of the schools now use motion detectors in the washrooms so the lights come on only when someone enters, and the stalls doors go right to the floor. We actually had an issue with this when my middle daughter was in kindergarten, she was so frightened of the washroom she would hold it until she got home or had an accident. The light would go on when she walked in, she would go in a stall and sit down, after a set time if she wasnt out of there the light would go off leaving her in total darkness, and to make matters worse the toilet(also on motion detectors) would often flush on its own while she was sitting in the dark. It took a few phone calls from my wife before they decided to leave the lights on full time.

Anyway, back to my point, IF some sick fuck wanted to, he could easily walk into a primary grade school and duck into a washroom unnoticed, hide completely out of site as now the stall doors go right to the floor, and wait until some kid had to use the washroom during class when things were quiet.

The Edmonton Police have devoted an awful lot of resources to this case over the last few days. If a seven year old victim had made this story up due to an overactive imagination, I think the police would have been able to determine this pretty quickly.

Meanwhile they have released a very detailed composite sketch of the suspect. According to reports, there were also adult witnesses who saw a man leaving the school grounds on Monday.

Wow. Is this post a joke? A seven year old claims she's molested, and Kate's response is to point out all the reasons why pedophiles, supremely logical creatures all, would be much more strategic about their molestations. I wonder why they ever get caught, then?

I've heard of arguing both sides of an issue, but this is a bit much.

I shake my head at how everyone here loves to speculate on a criminal investigation WITHOUT ANY FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE and solely relying on hearsay and the MSM.....a source they do not even trust.Let the cops do what they are paid to do and let's interpret the results of their investigation.

BTW,maybe it was someone going to commit suicide and forgot his can of gasoline,who when was found out,simply panicked and rubbed against her while fleeing.....sheeesh!!

"second, what black man puts orange in his hair?"

Walk down Jasper Ave in Edmonton during the summer and you'll see quite a few blacks with different colors in their hair.

AlbertanfromBC; I have similair issues with our school board. Ours even allows Provincial and Federal elections to be held in the gyms during school hours. I never knew about this until I happened to be volunteering during the last Prov. elect and was astonished to see all these people/strangers wandering around looking for the gym. There was only one small sign (8X10 paper) with an arrow for directions. When I asked about it I was told that they usually go in a different door but because it was a cold windy day and the workers were cold, they had everyone come in a different way. During the last Federal election, different school, the signing was very small and inadequate and people were having problems in the morning when I was there. I'll say no more about the other situations but they are similair to the ones you mentioned.

Apparently there was a similair attack in a Brampton School on March 30 of this year. There was also a 7 yr. old grade 2 girl who was attacked in 2002 in a T.O. Catholic School. ( http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1080324947147_75734147/?hub=WFive)

So let me get this straight - some nutjob says a professor from Texas called for the death of 90% of the world's pop. and Kate jumps all over it (it wasn't true) without checking for any other reliable sources, but some litle girl gets moletsed in a washroom and you say, hmph, probably didn't happen. And you criticize the MSM?

Apparently few here are familiar with the thorough investigation that led to convictions in the "Martinsville child sex abuse case".

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_marte.htm

I have no idea whether the story in Edmonton is legit or not. As has been pointed out, all there is to go on are media reports and God knows those can be misleading. However, as I said, the molester in question certainly found a place where he was most likely to be caught. And contrary to someone else's comment here - I believe the conventional wisdom holds that most molesters get away with their crimes for years before being caught - because they use techniques designed to gain confidence of children, or they focus on those who are extremely vulnerable.

I love irony - it's so ironic.

So, just to make sure I've got this straight, the reason why he must not have been a molester is because he almost got caught. If you've ever wanted to see an explosion of child molestation allegations follow that logic. Everyone who hasn't been caught is probably a molester.

Who needs the MSM when you've got blogs and comment boards?

I think that the little girl's story should be believed unless there is good evidence that she is making it up. While there are examples of children making up sexual abuse, there are many, many more examples of children who do not come forward because of threats or shame. We need to support those who do come forward.

Actually, no Peter - as usual, you don't have it straight. As I've pointed out on numerous occasions, it appears that poor reading comprehension and impaired logic are among the key underpinnings of leftist thought.

Meanwhile, Bush hires 2 molesters

2nd Homeland Security official in teen sex scandal - exposed himself to teenage girl in mall, formerly ran sex predator operation at Homeland Security

Right steve
I heard that President Bush personaly interviewed all job applicants and screened out those that weren't pedophiles or refused to goose step around the Oval Office singing I Wish I Was in Dixie.

Please don't spread that around though.

"Actually, no Peter - as usual, you don't have it straight. As I've pointed out on numerous occasions, it appears that poor reading comprehension and impaired logic are among the key underpinnings of leftist thought."

How don't I have it straight Kate? You were wrong about both of these things right? You rushed to judgment about Pianka based on one source. And you seem wrong about this. And you blame the MSM for being lazy etc... You seem to pick and choose what you post and what sources you use. You are no better.

Police described the little girl as a credible witness and have put an incredible amount of time and resources into following up, so it seems likely that it happened.

Yes, it seems risky beyond belief for the pervy perp but there was an incident reported in Calgary about 3 years ago where a lone male got into an elementary school boys washroom and solicited urine samples (of all things).

It follows, I think, that extremely disturbed individuals might act in ways not just bizzare - but risky as well.

AB/ba

Sorry, usually you are spot on, but I can't believe you you post something like this. School hallways and bathrooms are often quite empty during school hours and one could quite easily find the children;s bathroom. Also, don't forget this girl was 7 not 17 at this age little girls don't travel to the bathroom is groups in fact is would not be comman in an elementary school for a group to ba allowed to go to the bathroom at once. To say that this story doesn't add up is exactly why child molesters get way with stuff like this. No one chooses to believe the child. Is it so hard to believe an innocent child may be telling the truth.

Peter D:

I believe Kate's "I'm not dumb, no you're dumb" response was pointed at me.

Anyway, I shall wait for Kate's clarification, which, since it doesn't seem like a pedophilic act probably makes her a pedophile.

Peter

First time I've been surprised by Kate's response to a story. Having been a sect'y in a p.s. for 25 yrs I know children don't always go to washrooms in groups. I also know that it would be easy for someone to get in a school and hide in one the the stalls. And, yes, school washrooms are 'scary' if you're alone - one entrance/exit - usually no windows. One more things, it has been proven over and over again that young children don't necessarily scream out when they're frightened. Even teenagers and adults can be immobilized with fear/terror.
The police will eventually learn if the girl was telling the truth or lying. They've had enough experience in this kind of thing.

There are plenty of schools where the washroom is in an area where the traffic is minimal. As well, unless one knows every adult who is the father/mother/guardian of every child in a school, you might not know even to question who is who.

During school hours, staff and students are in classes, so this would be a perfect time for some pervert to enter a school, find a washroom nearby, enter a stall, wait for a child, cover her mouth, and whatever....

Unless a school has a policy where the children must go to the washroom in pairs, children go alone. The pairing up to go to the washroom only came into effect when sexual assaults started happening in or near schools. Before, it was assumed that children would just play around and delay getting back to the classroom. In most schools I've been in, there isn't a buddy system going to the washroom.

I think that this pedophile's behavior is very normal for a pedophile. Part of the sickness is the risk factor. You can't tribute sense to sickness.

Perhaps schools need to have locked doors and intercom access....or volunteer shifts patrolling hallways....senior citizens usually volunteer for crossing patrol, maybe they could extend an hour or so to help out in schools....but, would that put them in danger too?

No easy answers to this one.

RZ
Edmonton

Real or not I see that normally unlocked side doors at my son's elementary school here in Delta B.C., are now locked. They can only be opened from the inside. This is a good thing. Unless you slip in when someone is coming out, the only way in is through the front door now.

Peter Loewen, you're a hairsbreadth from being punted.

"However, as I said, the molester in question certainly found a place where he was most likely to be caught."

I can spool up a P2P client on any given evening and monitor the search requests coming into it, complete with IP addresses. You'll see things like "little kid f$#@", "preteen sex", etc. I'd have to say that these particular pedophiles are anything but smart, given how exposed they are while they're searching for kiddy porn.

If the cops aren't catching more of them it's either because:

a) There aren't enough cops with a clue, or
b) there simply aren't enough cops.

It should be like shooting fish in a barrel, from where I'm sitting.

Maybe all of us here should pull our collective heads out of our collective asses and look at reality.

The reason these sick fucks have ANY access to our children in the first place is because we don't care enough to DEMAND our politicians and judges DO SOMETHING!
Pedophiles CANNOT BE CURED,yet WE ALWAYS allow them back into society to ABUSE AGAIN.

IT IS TIME FOR THE DEATH PENALTY OR LIFE BEHIND BARS FOR THESE SICK PREDATORY SUBHUMANS!

Canadian Observor:

Good point. Only, how do we find them before they commit the acts? Following Detective Kate, I suggest we not look in any place we would expect a pedophile to be. First place we don't look is girl's washrooms in primary schools. The internet is probably out as well; it's just too obvious. Catholic church? No way.

Eureka! Let's only look in places where you wouldn't expect pedophiles to be! Now, where to start?

This post was in answer too a Liberal, who usually is quite smart & has morals. This just shows how far down the rabbit hole we are. When decent people can be made to believe nonesense than you know where in trouble.
On the other hand, aren't all addictions/urges the same? NO!!!(Me) Alcoholics get urges when they see other people drinking, gamblers when they see people gambling, frog lickers when they see other toad tongues...

Revnant Dream

If they want to destroy themselves & there families by a habit they will not break, that's there right. Destroying children's lives, taking there innocence away & having sex with babies with umbilical cords tied to them still, is beyond an addiction. Its evil in pure form. There is no equivalence here at all. Gambling is legal as is drinking. Raping children is NOT. I have absolutely no compassion for these predators who prey on the most vulnerable to sate there sick urges. Rape is violence King. Even for children, Especially for children. I happen to smoke King. Its no ones decision but mine. Not the tobacco companies. Again no real moral equivalence. Not even close. You can make the argument that a drunk is a bad thing, but what's worse. A drunk or a driving drunk?
Anyone who rapes anybody is a monster , not an addict. They enjoy this sex because it gives them a sense of power just like the rapist of Women. Its pure assault.
When deviants solicit pics of child abuse There as culpable in my mind , as those who produced them. Think for a second the horror your child world go threw King with these human beasts. There are NO excuses. NO argument for there atrocities against children Some of these animals have a count of hundreds of molested kids. Many turn into serial child killers. This is no habit.

King of Cats

Is this a case of the maker of the deed being culpable for how it affects others? And isn't that what gun makers, cigarette people and alcohol industries are against?

Child protection is crime prevention.

"While early childhood experiences may impel, they do not compel. In the end, evil is a matter of choice. Sociopaths can learn to project a veneer of civilization—for predators, it is part of their camouflage—but they will always lack the ability to feel any pain but their own, pursuing only self-gratification. Not all sociopaths choose sexual violence. For some, the outlet can be political or economic skullduggery. But those for whom blood or pain is the stimulus act no less efficiently and at a terrible and unacceptable cost.

Some predatory sociopaths can be deterred. None can be rehabilitated, since they cannot return to a state that never existed. The concept of coercive therapy is a contradiction; successful psychiatric treatment requires participants, not mere recipients. What makes sexual predators so intractable and dangerous is that they like what they do and intend to keep doing it."

Sex Predators Can't Be Saved

Peter L...when they are standing at the exit door to the facility where they spent their minimal sentence for child abuse...that's where we can find them BEFORE THEY ACT...again!!
Easy,isn't it?

Your absolutly correct Kate in your statement:

I believe the conventional wisdom holds that most molesters get away with their crimes for years before being caught - because they use techniques designed to gain confidence of children, or they focus on those who are extremely vulnerable.

They do indeed. There are whole world wide rings. A lot of these deviant groups have legal assistance from pedophile Judges & other so called community leaders.

The large grup of these slim ridden perverts get maried to vaulnarable Women as a cover.
Life in prison is our only opyion today. There is no cure even with castration.

When i grew up as a kid in the early sixties none of this even came close to what occurs today. The lack of concern by our institutions to protect our young is symtomatic of the general cheapening of life because of liberal, socialist world views.

Being from Edmonto I have too say that we have had quite a few tries at schools this past winter. All where real & attested to.

I work for parks in Edmonton, & civic 2. We use the washrooms in schools all the time. There deserted most of the time.With no one supervising enterance.

In these uptown schools we have a lot of homeless who use them & the parks found by, & around them.Drunks , crazies, drug addicts & people who should be in an institution, because they can't function on a sane level.

You know a good place to start? Start with guys who date/marry young women who have small children to support on their own. As the majority of pedophiles/child abusers are fall into the category of "step-father" and "boyfriend", my advice is to worry less about cameras in schools, and more about who you decide to let into your home.

It occurs to me that the best place to start may be by asking those whose first inclination is to blame the victim to shut their mouths and use their heads for 10 seconds.

And, after that, I agree, I would arrest all men who marry single mothers. They definately have a higher probability of molestation than men who hang out in the girls' washroom at primary schools.

Why don't you just admit you had piss in your cornflakes this morning and that you were an idiot for writing that?

Predators Among Us by Julie Posey

Read this Chapter Peter Loewen & learn.You should do some soul-searching. Maybe you'll find one.
This may just open your eye's, unless you agree with NAMBLA.

http://www.julieposey.com/familysafety/ch9Actionsfor_Protection.htm

I guess our faux criminologist, Kate, will find this story to "not make a lot of sense" either, and that it doesn't ring true because of "location and extreme degree of risk:"

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1144231323683&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News

"As the majority of pedophiles/child abusers are fall into the category of "step-father" and "boyfriend","

Hey, did you know that the majority of murderers fall into the category of "father," "brother," and "husband?"

See, we just need to get rid of men, obviously.

RD:

I am not the one who assumd the story was a fake. That was the wise Kate, proprietor of this site. Rather, I am among those who have suggested that the man's behaviour is consistent with that of a pedophile, particularly in its non-rationality and risk loving.

Now, as to what the general solutions to this are, I think they are a touch more complex than, and here I unnecessarily have to use all caps, "LOCK THEM UP AND KILL THEM AND THEN CASTRATE THEM TO BE SURE." To be certain, some percentage of pedophiles are hard-wired monsters who have little to no self-control, and they ought to be removed from general society. Some other percentage are likely people who by dint of bad genetics, bad upbringings, and bad choices find themselves frequently doing violence to others. To the extent that they act on these impulses, we ought to lock them up as well until such time that they have served sufficient sentences and we can be confident they will not reoffend. To suggest that this second population is non-existant is just plain wrong. There will be some who never reoffend again. The difficulty, of course, comes in distinguishing between the two and doing so in a way which doesn't impede on the civil liberties of too many individuals. And I really have no idea how to do that.

As a final aside, I find it unlikely that the amount of pedophilia in society is growing much if at all. This is, I am afraid, a pretty ancient and natural phenomenon (in the red in tooth and claw sense of natural). Which doesn't mean we shouldn't address it. Quite to the contrary, increased awareness of pedophilia is probably because we've come to understand how wrong and destructive it is, and because we've encouraged those who've been victimized to come forward, and because we've provided them with the protections to do so. Which makes it all the more unhelpful when individuals feel the immediate need to question the veracity of victims because their reading of a newspaper article tells them `something doesn't feel right`.

Great post Peter. I agree whole-heartedly.

Now I am interested in seeing if Kate can admit she was wrong. I just wrote a long post about this - why is it that we have such a hard time admitting it when it has become obvious we are. Kate? Any thoughts on that?

3rd Homeland Security employee in trouble for child sex trolling
Predator III: Michael Burks.

The story came out only two months ago.

Michael Burks: My father was a police officer. I was a police officer. I work for the Department of Homeland security. I understand you guys have a job to do and I’m not trying to tell anything else other than that. I swear to God, as God as my witness, I’m wearing a St. Michael’s medal right now, okay? I was not going to do anything with her.

But the detective doesn’t seem to be buying his story.

Police officer: I am telling you I don’t believe that you didn’t intend to have sex at some point with the girl.

Burks: Sir, I swear to God.

Police officer: It would have happened, I guarantee you, it would have happened

SigCarAlF: "I suspect the school will be asking for additional funds for sex ed classes for second graders."

...I never liked those sex ed classes, cuz the thingys the women instructors bring in to show how to put a condie on makes my rinkydink look like a tiddlewink...

Actually, pedophiles are notoriously DIFFICULT to catch as even the ones who aren't family members manage to secure the trust or complicity of the child often for years.

As for this particular case, this individual apparently entered Oliver school precisely during the one 15 minute span of the day where the doors weren't locked down.

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As for another posting about "George W. Bush hiring pedophiles", one can quickly observe that the Alberta Teachers Association can easily be tarred with that same brush. Anybody still want to try this argument?

Lordy, Lordy! This doesn't ring true at all! Turns out the man exposing himself to little children was a .. a.. policeman! Now this just does not "ring true," does it?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1144317794297&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News

Where were the hall monitors? Where were the hall supervisors? Most schools have teachers at recess to watch the halls. We have a known sex offender living in our neighbourhood. He's a repeat rapist. How do these people get out of jail so soon. That poor little kid will have scars the rest of her life. I hope they catch the bastard. He must've been watching the school for awhile. That's what they do to pick the right time to commit their crime.

GOOD NEWS...

It looks like the man who was "alleged" to have assaulted the girl in the Edmonton washroom was collared.

By a civilian father hero, Michael Wong, among other men.

The person (who is theoretically not a suspect, but the victim in this case believes its the same man... and he was arrested by citizens in HER playground WHILE she was playing maybe a hundred metres away) had blonde/orange stripes in his black hair.

He put up a fight, but was overwhelmed.

Catch the story, including a video of the man who is being questioned on CTV  here.

Correction: the name of the courageous father who arrested the man is Brian Wong.