Failed Terrorist Attack at T.O. Tim Hortons? from The Canadian Sentinel
If AM-640 is correct, then I'd say this is eerily similar to the failed Oklahoma University Stadium terrorist attack in which Joel Henry Hinrichs accidentally blew himself up prior to the carrying out of his plans. [Read More]

Tracked on April 2, 2006 4:21 PM

Hitting Close to Home...? from Partisan Pundit
Our neighbors to the Great White North seem to be experiencing the joys of appeasement second only to France and Spain... No word on the guy's ethnicity...but these days...it take's all kinds. [Read More]

Tracked on April 2, 2006 6:49 PM

Listening to Talk 680 TO...ANOTHER suspicious package at another Tim's being investigated...

time to appease somebody.

It's Bush's fault, blame Rove.

Well that's that......No more Fruit Explosion muffins for me.

...hey zilla, a guy died...

One report I read mentioned a man with a bomb strapped to himself entering the washroom. Any confirmation? If it's an isolated episode, it sounds more like a bizarre suicide than any kind of thought out terrorist attack. But it's early yet in the investigation.

...one thing though, I couldn't help thinking of the symbolism...Tim Horton's and Toronto...two great bastions of Canadianism.

...well in the second reference I made a spelling mistake in bastion....

This is not the first time someone's blown themselves up in a washroom... a seperatist terrorist did it in the Parliament building during the Trudeau era.

I heard the same report over CTV - very tight-lipped cops, a bomb squad, and an uncomfirmed rumour about bombs strapped to the "victim".

I wonder what the victim's name is.

I, too, blogged this a few minutes ago. I mention the AM-640 report of the decedent's having been supposedly seen entering the throne room with a bomb belt.

See the trackback I did for the URL to my post.

If the guy did have a bomb belt, then it was a failed terrorist attack just like with Joel Henry Hinrichs III at the Oklahoma University stadium in which he got stupid, messed with his explosives and blew himself apart while waiting to enter and make his move.

If it was a bomb belt, then the explosives don't sound like they were particularly powerful, as the guy died of burns, not of being blown to pieces...

I think this guy simply got Krispy Kremed while trying to hurt the competition.

I sure as heck hope that the police are forthcoming about this incident. If the deceased was accidentally killed, my deepest sympathies go to him and his family.

If, however, the deceased had explosives strapped to him, hoping to blow up innocent people, I hope that the police and the judiciary get to the bottom of who's responsible TOUTE SUITE.

Toronto's got to get its act together. Though I no longer live there, I grew up in Toronto, and in the past ten years I've seen it sliding badly downhill--bad roads, rude drivers, shootings, panhandlers every third step, a feeling of seediness: Yonge Street is a disgrace. I know a lot of people who are afraid to go to Toronto, which was never the case until recently.

David Miller and his overpaid minions had better snap to attention to figure out how to fix things--which means setting up programs other than "youth employment centres." I mean law enforcement programs, where criminals are apprehended, whatever their ethnic background and whatever "the reasons" for their crime. No getting off the hook because you come from a disadvantaged background. (The vast majority of individuals from "disadvantaged backgrounds" live law-abiding lives, so it's a lame-duck reason to excuse people who break the law.)

I'd suggest that David Miller talk to Rudy Guillani, who managed to clean up NYC, to the extent that it went from being one of the most crime-riddled cities in North America to being one of the safest. He used tough medicine--and Miller needs to do the same.

I can't help also thinking of Toronto as the scene in "Lion King" when the jackals took over. Everything beautiful and green had died and turned to grey and a wasteland.

The jackals are in charge.

Almost as fitting as the old saying of "the inmates are running the asylum"...

Miller doesn't have the guts to get tough on crime; he and the rest of the left-wing city council got rid of Chief Fantino, probably one of the nest police chiefs that Toronto has ever seen. Watch Miller start bleating about "root causes" of crime once more details come out.

THe New York "broken windows" strategy that decimated crime in NYC worked because the courts were behind the police...unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet anywhere in Canada.

The jackals are indeed in charge. The head jackal being David Miller, a socialist born in England.

I live here, the police are doing a better job gradually. Last night, a niece and her friends in a nice neighbourhood were held up at knifepoint by a gang of black thugs. They got everything except a phone. A call was made and the thugs were arrested post haste in the subway. They have undercover cops dressed like bums in the subways, the prime method of escape.

If this does turn out to be some kind of attack, you know that it will be Stephen Harper's fault for supporting our troops in Afghanistan.

That Timmie's is directly besides the subway entrance to Yonge/Bloor station, the busiest subway station in Toronto.

Why Sunday though? Trial run?

seems to me something similar happened there several years ago(subway station). can't remember the exact details. fire possibly?

CP, aka Communist Pravda, says its criminal to make a profit. ("experts" are unnamed... the usual drivel).

Tory platform would create prison-building boom: experts
OTTAWA (CP) - Imagine superjails run for profit by private companies eager to cash in on Conservative plans to get tougher on crime. +
via canoenews

Whatever the result turns out to be I'm sure it will be the fault of busHarper.

I don't think there is any doubt about what has happened, especially in light of another suspicious package being found.

I have been in T.O. for the last 11 years, and 'new kid' is absolutely correct. Between the drivers (why bother using my turn signal? It only serves to help others), to the fractioning of the multi-cult paradise into ghettos(complete with old country racism and probs.). Things are getting worse here by the day. "Reality is a mistake" is alive and well where feelings trump reason, reality, and common sense. I think we need to call MADDOX and his pirate hordes to come and clean up this sh*thole.

CTV just reported that an employee noticed smoke coming out of the bathroom, openned the door to see a guy laying on the floor with flaming coming off his chest. The other suspicious package was across the street, and 12-guaged into pieces by the robot.

Steve

Just watched the 6 o'clock news. There is another Timmie's shut off for a suspicious package at Lawrence and Yonge, that's about 8 km north of the first incident, yes, near another station. (Though I doubt this second Timmie's will amount to much.)

Spike: last big thing that happened to the Toronto Subway was a crash between two subways in the tunnel near Spadina station, about ten years ago.

BC Monkey has a pretty valid theory there.....

But we all have to wait....

Well, he wasn't trying to rob a bank on a Sunday.

Yonge & Bloor is the busiest subway intersection in the city. Perhaps he was trying to arm the device before boarding a train... I mean, you wouldn't want the thing hot in your home, or while you were driving to your target.

Or perhaps a walk-on at some swanky restaurant in Yorkville.

This blow up the rim to win contest is getting out of hand

BC...
remember that one (spadina) but there was a incident at bloor/younge. it will come to me eventually and it was more serious than todays.

if it turns out to be a suicide/terrorist event you can rest assured that millar will make it out to be one of the disadvantaged again. there has also been a lot of speculation on a subway attack in TO being just a matter of time. maybe that time is getting close.

Having just arrested suspected terrorists in TO, and now this, will the leftists admit that like Houston, we have a problem. Time for the mayor and friends to wake up. Not everybody loves us. I also would believe the target was the subway, and poor guy had to relieve himself. Probably set off the bomb or whatever by mistake. What is his name and nationality and religion. Watch out transit riders or Tim customers.

From the CTV article:

"Early news reports said a man was seen going into the washroom with explosives strapped to his chest. Police would not confirm the reports."

Ok, this is unconfirmed, but then:

"Toronto's police chief, Bill Blair, declined to discuss the possibility of a bomb. He called the blast "an intense flash fire in the washroom.""

How common are "flash fires" in washrooms? Is it not possible for a poorly made bomb (or incendiary device) to have the effect of causing a "flash fire"? (rhetorical question)

I'm just glad noone else was hurt.

sounds like the london bombs the second time around.

Frustratingly noone is saying anything.

CTV did just report the police chief as saying

"It was a sudden flash fire that could have been much worse than it was"

Now what in the world could that mean.....

If this were New York or London there would have been a press conference by now, if not two of them with some indication of when the next press conference would be.

Absolutely terrible communication from everyone, all it leads to is this kind of speculation. Who knows this could be as simple as someone having a problem while they were freebasing, a la Richard Pryor.

I doubt this is a suicide bomber. They don't isolate themselves before detonation. They look for crowds. So wrong place, wrong day of the week for a suicide bomber.
More likely an unstable person who wanted to go out with a message of some kind. Perhaps a disgruntled ex-employee.
The police are right to hold off talking until they know. We certainly don't need more speculation. That's the bloggers job!

How do you know all about a suicide bomber, steve d?

Have you read a book on the topic or is this "everyone knows" information that uniquely resides in your brain?

It in Toronto and you can bet your last buck ... the spin is being spun behind closed doors.

chris from Victoria
No inside info Chris, just pure logic. If my logic is wrong it won't be the first time. But my money is on pure suicide as opposed to suicide bomber.

Shit happens...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43012

They had better answer this one before late this evening.....rush hour is 12 hours from now. If they dont want chaos they had better say what they know, what they dont know and what they are doing.

No one says they have to make answers up, but if a sucicide bomber is an option they should state that has not been ruled out....if it isnt an option they should rule it out.

I can understand not a lot of detail if it was a sucicide bomber and they are working on finding the support network.

Of course if it were just a free basing addict or otherwise you think they could make the statement.

The silence is deafening and it only fuels the speculation. I only want the cops to talk about facts, fortunately my wife has tomorrow off and wont be taking the subway. I however am on a flight to Montreal...security is going to be an absolute zoo!!!

I'm thinking this explosion was done by the Canadian Auto Workers Union (CAW) as part of their 'Boycott Tim Hortons' campaign. You see, there was an email going round encouraging Canadians to boycott Timmies for offering a Toyota Rav4 as the grand prize in their 'Roll Up The Rim' promotion. You see, the Rav4 is presently built in Japan by Toyota. The boycott email suggests Timmies should be offering a Canadian built vehicle as a grand prize. No matter that Toyota is spending BILLIONS to build a second assembly plant as we speak and create THOUSANDS of high paying secure 'non union' jobs in Canada to build - you guessed it - the Toyota RAV4 in Woodstock, Ontario. No matter that Toyota is sponsering this promotion at Tim Horton's to promote the RAV4 and create a stable market for the vehicle that they will soon be building in Canada. You see, Buzz Hargrove thinks if the jobs are non union, they're not real jobs. No matter that non union auto workers get paid MORE than unionized auto workers. Just a wild theory.

The Bloor/Yonge Tim Horton's is relatively near the Yonge/Bloor TTC station (about 1 block away) - it's not "directly beside."

And Union is arguably busier than Bloor/Yonge, given that GO and Via operate out of there too.

The police chief says it was a flash fire???

What does, you know, those other guys, the FIRE DEPARTMENT say...

Fire department spokesman Daryl Fuglerud told media at the scene that the man who died had burns to his body, although the explosion had not caused much smoke.

"It doesn't appear that there was much of a fire at all," Fuglerud said.

Maybe it was spontaneous combustion. Muslims do that all the time.

You can bet if this is a Jihadist attack. The MSM will go into "Islam is the religion of Peace" mode. Right out the gate.

As of now I have not heard the cause. Except explosives where attached to the individual. Now part of the washroom decor.

You can bet if this is a Jihadist attack. The MSM will go into "Islam is the religion of Peace" mode. Right out the gate.

As of now I have not heard the cause. Except explosives where attached to the individual. Now part of the washroom decor.

Donuts to dollars if this does turn out to be an attack. It will be swamped by misinformation like that kid who drove threw his classmates. They will make him sound like a loner or insane. Its too late for the MSM, to make a joke out of it like the shoe bomber. That came back to bite them when it was learned he was part of the 911 gang .

If the person is older, it will be deemed a man who was in despair. Like when you or I get depressed ,we blow up things?

Any who. Look for the legions of apologists, wailing & shouting this is an isolated individual event. A few Moderate Muslims (Although I am beginning to wonder if this is a myth as well, for the hyper religious ones) will bewail the attempted bombing. Than make excuses. Either society or he was moved by hate for America. The Great Satan as they like too say. Frankly I think the Devil is partial too these head choppers. They think alike.

I sure pray its not an extensive group. If it where just one nut I would be happier. We have known for a while that we where on there list of people to kill & maim.

Now that they see there haven is marked & people have realized in this Nation the danger these groups represent. They will show there usual lively thanks by rioting & mass murder.

This has been there MO since they declared war on the Western World. Our cowardly responses by segments of the press & governments have not helped either. Only confirmed in there minds how utterly decadent & soft we have become.

Here's hoping Harper changes there minds & reverses this Liberal Socialist soft power fantasy we have had to endure. From these sophists of self importance

Of course if it were just a free basing addict or otherwise you think they could make the statement.
Talking about Toronto's decline, on TTC buses twice I've smelled solvent abusers, one sitting right next to me. Maybe some of them smoke too?

And local 6:00 news (I don't recall whether CITY or CFTO) said that the Yonge & Eglinton package had been detonated by the bomb squad and that it wasn't a bomb.

Sorry, I meant Lawrence and Yonge, not Eglinton.

Clearly the police dont want to speak....its been 7 hours and all the police can do is confirm aspects that the eyewitnesses state.

Tick Tock...11 hours till rush hour and 10 hours till 100,000's of people have to make a decision about whether to take public transit.

Yup, Bill Blair and David Miller are great communicators.

Fantino for Mayor!!

Oh and where is the Premier of the province?

Once again if there if they know nothing then state they are investigating and no leads.

Best tactic the Brits did was call regular news conferences at pre stated times and update based on what they knew. When there was no new information they stated that, nobody questioned because there was a regular flow of information.

tick tock tick tock.....

Gasoline is in this CTV story, via Nealenews:
http://tinyurl.com/ejtac

Thats a little better....but deeply weird...

Stephen...calm down, come out from behind the couch and turn off the scanner.

Mississauga Matt:

There is a Yonge st. entrance to the bloor line, which all that separates the Timmie's from that is a Starbucks, and part of the Hudson's Bay building.

Generally, I think everyone is overreacting. If this was a terrorist thingy, how on earth could they pull off New York and London, and yet screw up in a bathroom of a donut shop?

While I agree higher ups should say something, but it being Toronto, the ever present abhorrent lack of leadership that exists will prevent that, I think there's nothing to worry about.

Everyone should focus on priority 1, which is defeating that pathetic excuse of a mayor in seven months.

Mississauga Matt:

The Tim Hortons is beside Starbucks, which is beside the Metropass/token entrance to the west end of the Yonge Platform. I'd say that's pretty close.

Steve in BC....LOL

However, I have not mentioned any conspiracies. What I did say was that the silence drives the conspiracies. I also contrasted the police response in the UK to todays apparent silence.

The thought that there migght be a suicide bomber plot is a problem, let alone whether there really is one or not.

As I said, best approach is for the TO Police is to state they'll hold press conferences at 5, 8 and 11 to update on what is going on. Then everybody stands down.

Going to ground doesnt work well, especially when many many people have to make their choices in relatively short order.

Just flow the information thats all

If the explosion was contained in the washroom and the guy was just set on fire. There are two possibilities. He just had enough explosives on him to kill himself and no one else. This would explain why he went into the washroom before detonating. He wasn't interested in taking anyone else with him.

OR

Just the detonator exploded and not the entire bomb!! If he was a suicide bomber he may have gone into the washroom to do the final configuring of the bomb. While doing this the detonator explodes but the bomb itself doesn't because it is not yet connected and the detonator explosion is too small and the bombers body takes the full impact of the detonator.

Just fixing my URL. Thanks to a tip in my own comments from Chris from Victoria, BC, I now realize I entered .ca instead of .com. Boy, do I ever feel like an idiot... now I understand Paul Martin a little better! LOL

Thanks, Chris from Victoria BC! :-)

If this turns out to be suicide bomber, he could have been screwed up by the time change.

There were a couple of suicide bombers in Gaza or the West Bank a few years ago who blew themselves up by mistake because of the switch to DST. They thought they had an another hour and ended up dying of premature detonation.

I'm aware of police info now about the decedent having had a canister of gasoline in his possession, which would obviously have blown up had he lit a match (folks do that a lot after you-know).

Of course, the gasoline could've been used as part of a terrorist act somehow, though I'm no explosives expert.

And I saw on the CTV Newsnet that police claim he wasn't a "terrorist or suicide bomber", but I've heard them say that before, even though it later turned out that it was indeed a failed terrorist attack.

I did a post recently following up on the OU Stadium bombing which was screwed up by Joel Henry Hinrichs III last fall. For the post plus links to my previous posts on the incident, here's the link:

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/03/failed-ou-terror-bombing-not-suicide.html

Despite what the police told the CTV, we cannot simply assume they're telling us the truth or the whole story. I've seen them lie through their teeth wrt the Hinrichs incident.

BTW, did y'all know the owner of the Tims is a Mr. Islam? What're the odds?

I plan on doing a follow-up post perhaps tomorrow on this. We may have more info. The blognet never sleeps, even when I do...

Speculation should include the possibility of an incompetent terrorist. Badly made homebrew explosives will tend to burn fiercely rather than explode. Badly made black-powder devices could do the same, like a pipe bomb the idiot didn't screw together right.

IF the guy really did have the stuff strapped on, he likely went into the can to arm the device and muffed it.

Best possible outcome, in my opinion. One less scumbag bomber in the world for the cost of a re-paint in the dumper at Timmies, plus a casualty free wake-up call for the voters of Moronto.

The only way it could be improved upon is if he managed to take out a few of his brothers in arms plus the bomb factory when he strapped it on.

Spike: I seem to recall an early-mid '90s mini street riot stemming from a downtown rally which shut down that particular subway station. The rally came about after a racial incident in the U.S. Maybe Rodney King trial verdict?

You don't do a suicide with a can of gas in private.

Why was it reported earlier that the man was wearing explosives when he was found?

Sounds like spin to me.

No "terrorism"? CBC says so. So there. +

No terrorism in deadly Toronto doughnut shop explosion: police
Last Updated Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:23:42 EDT
CBC News

Re Trev's "Everyone should focus on priority 1, which is defeating that pathetic excuse of a mayor in seven months":

'Sure wish I could, but I don't live in Toronto!

And, yes, David Miller was born in England, he's a socialist, and he went to a boy's private school here in Canada, Lakefield College School: go figure. A "Rosedale Socialist": It's so easy to live high off the hog, all the while giving away the taxpayers' hard-earned $$$$$$.

FANTINO FOR MAYOR, FOR SURE!

BTW: Get to the microphones, Mr. Miller. We wouldn't mind knowing what the heck's going on.

I love these TV news guys eh? "It was only gasoline, so it couldn't be terrorism!"

Uh huh. Guess they have never seen gasoline burn in an enclosed space. Never heard of smoke inhalation either...

How can people that stupid keep drawing a paycheck? This is one of the great mysteries of life.

Jeez, I guess now that Calgary is Canada's Number One town, you can be expecting all sorts of this shit from now on. When he I see Ahmed with his bomb belt, I'll just tell him: "Go West, young Imam!"

OK, relax, everyone. Toronto is still safe. Steve d. is on the right (rationale) track. And, since the EMS guys "attended to" the victim, I think he may not have loaded with explosives. It's also pretty hard to be in a densely populated part of the City of Toronto and NOT be near the subway. Looks like a (successful) nut bar suicide attempt. It's really hard to find a gun.

Andy

"Perhaps a disgruntled ex-employee." A disgruntled Tim Hortons employee? Home of Timbits, Tim's Coffee, and Roll up the Rim? Man, today I just bit into an apple fritter -- it was filled with caramel!!!! Don't dash my Canadian dream, man.

Maybne someone doesn't want a timmies outlet going to Afganistan

This could still be a fizzled suicide bomb attenpt. I would think that the quality of the nut-bar is inversly proportional to the amount of virgins available in paradise. Now that the Danish press has let the cat out of the bag it must be much harder to recruit quality nutters.

Just wonder if the toronto mayor is taking lessons from the N.O mayor or vice versa. Both seem unable to make a decision. Did you hear that there is a mayoral election coming up in N.O. and they are wondering how to get ballots to all the former residents. Last count was 124 running for the job. How many running against miller.

Gasoline doesn't explode all that easily.

That's why us Scots wear kilts no only do zipppers scare the sheep but sparks can set off bad gases!

This is of course, a terrible thing! All the more reason now that we need to regulate the sale of gasoline. We should be especially careful of any Muslims that purchase gasoline using gas containers.

It's just not right that folks have access to gasoline, which can cause explosions and possibly kill people, is it? As our commentor above wondered, what IS the name of this person who caused this deed? After we learn of his name, we can use that information to regulate gas sales to people with similar names, of course.

Those cranberry wholewheat muffins have that 'explosive' effect. :(

Robin Banks -- LMAO. Good on ya mate.

Duke -- Right on. Whatever comes out now in the MSM will be read with a whole whack of reserve because the longer the delay, the longer they think of how they are going to spin it.

I will be reading and watching the news tomorrow, but the tin foil will be adjusted extra tight lest I be fooled by lies. I read it early on, so apologize for not giving the credit, but you are right -- blame it on GW Bush.

You guys are hilarious. Why don't you stop living your lives in fear. I bet you would have loved it if this had been a terrorist attack so it could validate your paranoid views of the world.

Sadasusal, this blog is almost like the equivalent of the "Art Bell" show on radio :)

In other words, for entertainment purposes only, Sadasusal :)

has anybody considered the possibility that maybe he needed gas for his lawn mower or something . got some gas in a two-bit jerrycan with a shitty lid , needed a leak . lit up a smoke and the fumes from the can ignited ? accidents do happen . just a thought eh. enjoy your double doubles

John, very few people that visit this blog would ever consider such a thing, when it's far more fun and of course, helps to validate their own beliefs,t hat this was.. well.. some poor guy, about to shit his pants before he walked into a subway to blow himself up. You know, terrorists really do concern themselves about how it all looks. It's really important to clean those bowels before blowing oneself up, you know?

I forgot.. what we haven't been told yet, is whether there were any Masonic symbols or perhaps Stars of David grafitti on the walls of that Tim Horton's bathroom cubicle. Maybe that is what set the terrorist off before he got to his real target, the subway station, a block away.

I mean, we really ought to look at all the evidence, right, in coming to our beliefs that this really was or could have been a ... shhh.. "terrorist" attack.

Apparently, some French Guy did something similar, years ago. In the bathroom of the House of Commons. And we all know the political statement Tim Hortons makes!! Those god damned left wingers, asking us to support summer camps for the "poor."

Hey! Maybe it was a socialist, that was pissed off at Tim Horton's taking on the role of helping the poor, as all good right wing corporations sometimes do.

I think BC Monkey and Steve A are awesome thinkers though. They just seem to know about this whole event.. and oh, then there is Duke... can't forget about his insights.

i'm sorry maybe somebody mentioned it but if i was going to do a suicede bombing i'd try to get maybe a bit more firepower together than maybe just enough to blow the lid off a freakin toilet . i usually don't disagree with people that comment here but i read the first 6 or 7 comments and couldn't quit laughing . sorry folks but a can of gas ? c'mon

Hehe, John. Well, I have to admit that once in a while, I agree with Kate.

But you know, I'm wondering how long it will take her to update the post, with the news that is now hours old, that the Police in Toronto have categorically denied this had anything to do with terrorism?

I mean.. it's all about "blogger credibility" and such, right?

The real reason he did this is because he couldn't stand the thought he might see a clip on some news program, or entertainment show, of Pam trying to be funny at the Juno Awards. Saw her on the ctv news. Don't think she went over with the audience. During that clip she had changed outfits 3 times.

mary t did she get re-inflated ? read she blew one.

Dang, I think I need a large double-double and, let's see, two (three?) Canadian Maples to start dealing with this . . .

Nothing to see here....just one of Scott Brison's buddies trying to short Tim's stock.

In my tours as a Canadian soldier,i once saw a man blow himself up inadvertantly ,while i was in Eritrea.
All i can say is that dogs eat bigger scraps of meat than what was left of the man who detonated a 105mm artillery round against his body.It is a little known fact that in suicide bombing cases(espc. in Israel) they can identify the bomber because the head usually pops off the body and is left intact 70%of the time..

The issue here, just in case you middle-of-the-night jokers missed it, is that something untoward happened near a very busy intersection in Toronto and Torontonians and Canadians have a right to know what's going on. Is that too much to ask our pygmy leaders?

Before 9/11, it would merely have been a local incident. Any "explosion" in a public place after that is more than local news, and there's no excuse, except for gross incompetency, for David Miller, his police chief, and fire chief to be "mum" about what's going on.

Do you remember the shots fired on Yonge Street near the Eaton Centre on December 26 last year, killing Jane Creba? David Miller was in Mexico with his family. HE SPOKE TO REPORTERS AND OTHERS BY PHONE and it took him days to get his butt off the beach and back in the saddle as Toronto's (Most Incompetent) Mayor; well, almost most incompetent: There was Mel Lastman, afterall. Really impressive I'm-in-charge behaviour.

So knock-knock, David Miller. Anyone home? Answer the door...

I suppose its possible they don't know who the guy is yet. If explosion boy didn't have any ID on him, plus he's burnt, kinda hard to put a name to the corpse.

More likely they know the guy's name is vaguely Arabic and they don't want to stampede the sheeple. Automatic response for Liberal/NDP officials, comes of their heart felt belief that Canadians are idiots.

To The Bear up above there who says gasoline doesn't explode all that easily, I guess like the CBC reporters you don't understand the meaning of the word "inflammable". Here's a couple more for you to look up: "Molotov cocktail", and "fuel/air bomb". Try "dust explosion" too, just for a giggle.

A dissatisfied share purchaser?

This is from Human Rights Watch: Quote
FAEs (Fuel Air Explosives)are more powerful than conventional high-explosive munitions of comparable size, are more likely to kill and injure people in bunkers, shelters, and caves, and kill and injure in a particularly brutal manner over a wide area. In urban settings it is very difficult to limit the effect of this weapon to combatants, and the nature of FAE explosions makes it virtually impossible for civilians to take shelter from their destructive effect. Unquote

In other words had this type of bomb been used outside the drivers control room on a Toronto subway car. The driver would most likely be killed (as those others on the enclosed train) which would have left the subway train speeding along the track until it caught up to the train in front of it.

the israelie consulate, tourist office + el al are all within a 5 minute walk from that timmies...

Tom wrote: the israelie (sic) consulate, tourist office + el al are all within a 5 minute walk from that timmies...
That's true Tom also the British consulate is nearby as well I believe.

All that being said, he could be just some poor guy who ran out of gas and was walking back to his car, decided to stop for a double double and a bathroom break and somehow his gas can ignited. We don't know at this point.

However,saying, (to quote Officer Barbrady of South Park) "OK people, nothing to see here, move along." causes people to be careless and let down their guard.

Like it or not, believe it or not, we are at war with people who want to destroy our way of life and to kill us. Being apathetic and careless will get you killed.

Who is Mr. "X"? Have his next-of-kin been notified? +

"He's not a strap-on al-Qaida bomber guy," Cole said. "It sounds to me like a guy who either wanted to do a torch job or commit suicide."
via cnews

I hope that some of you will be able to contain your disappointment should this incident have nothing to do with international terrorism or
an islamofascist threat against the Canadian way of life.

Quote: "It sounds to me like a guy who either wanted to do a torch job or commit suicide."

Ah...yer classic 'innocent bystander'.

To those of you scolding people for discussing the possibility of this being a possible suicide bomber/terrorist attack -

Not that many years ago, things blew up or caught fire and almost exclusively, they were accidents or run of the mill arsons. You might have noticed current events lately that show that are not only accidents and arsons still happening, nasty, crazy people have taken up causing these things for sport.

Pardon the hell out of us for discussing the possibility that a nasty, crazy person was involved.

how about identifying the dead man, so we can perhaps draw some conclutions about motive ... for ourselves.

agitfact said: "an islamofascist threat against the Canadian way of life."

Dream on; sleep tight, dhimmi. +

Alleged al-Qaida conspirator pleads innocence in jailhouse interview with Sun

By LISA LISLE, SUN MEDIA

TORONTO -- A newmarket man accused of having ties to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden denies having any links to terrorism.

"That is totally ridiculous," Raja Ghulam Mustafa said yesterday in an exclusive jailhouse interview with Sun Media.

In fact, Mustafa said he didn't even know who bin Laden was until he was making headlines after 9/11.

"The first time I heard about him was in 2001," Mustafa said. "Before that I didn't know who it was. Someone explained him to me."

As first revealed in the Calgary Sun, Mustafa was arrested on an immigration warrant outside his Newmarket apartment March 16.

Mustafa is officially accused of filing a bogus refugee claim by using the name Murtaza.

Held at the Toronto West Detention Centre under the name Murtaza, Mustafa said he took that name to protect himself when he came to Canada through the U.S. in 2003.

"I had to save my life," he said, explaining he was fleeing arrest in Pakistan for deserting the Pakistani army.

Claiming his bust as one of the most significant terrorism arrests in Canada since 9/11, immigration sources have told the Sun Mustafa is believed to be the captain of the Pakistani extremist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyiba.

Also known as LET, the violent group is funded by bin Laden and has ties to al-Qaida.

Calm and well-mannered, Mustafa, 40, said he was just heading out to get groceries when he was picked up outside his home. +
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13241.10
calgary sun

If I wanted to buy a block of Timmie stock cheap, I'd hire a drug addled berzerker to light a couple up. ;-)

I'll watch the trading today to see what happens.

Robin B., I have no doubt that a "nasty, crazy person" was involved. (Nice suicides normally don't try to involve others in their self-destruction.) We've always had, and always will, have those with us. I just don't want any joyful leaps of logic to the "global" struggle some of you enjoy preaching so much.

And maz2, if I had to choose between "dhimmitude" and "dimmitude" (another new word, but I'm sure you get the drift,) I might go for the former.

What I want to know is what Charlie Sheen thinks of this!

New info on Tim's blast:

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/04/police-not-telling-all-about-tims.html

Find the "red herring" in the Red Star headline; winner gets a free pass. +

Police cheer PM's tough talk
But Harper draws some negative reaction for proposal to scrap long-gun registry
Apr. 3, 2006. 03:40 PM
JIM BROWN
CANADIAN PRESS +
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13241.13

Bomb squad would have been gone in 1 hour tops if someone set themselves on fire with gasoline. And why would gas make the roof collapse.

I think they are lying.

Speakin of blowed up!
Liberal/Mafia member Joe Morselli is dead finally.
He lived beyond his best blown up date.

Maybe it's just liberals/mafia settling some things the way they usually do.

Mr. "X" is still Mr. "X".

Mr. "X" is a "victim". A victim of what?

Mr. "X" may have died accidentally or deliberately.

Mr. "X" is a male. +

Police said Monday that they believe the sudden, intense fire in the bathroom was fuelled by gasoline in a container that the victim brought into the restaurant shortly before the blaze, which some witnesses thought was preceded by an explosion.

Det. Sgt. Myron Demkiw said police were still working to identify the man killed in the fire, but still don't know whether it was accidental or deliberate. +
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/04/02/1516824-cp.html

Blew himself to Timbits.

Here follows part of a news item that I just read today:

Three Killed in Istanbul Bus Attack
02 April, 2006

By BENJAMIN HARVEY

ISTANBUL, Turkey - A group of men stopped a passenger bus and tossed gasoline bombs at it, sending the vehicle careening into pedestrians and killing three in Turkey‘s largest city on Sunday as pro-Kurdish riots continued to spread.

Dr. Wright, they ARE lying. They cannot just jump right up and say there's no terrorism. Not with all the evidence they have.

They're like Baghdad Bob: "Nothing to see. Nothing much going on. Don't worry, be happy."

It's going to happen. So keep your eyes open. Be alert.

First rule for a media report--Ontario teachers of English are REQUIRED to teach this: Tell WHO, WHERE, WHY, WHAT, WHEN in the first paragraph and then provide further detail in the rest of the report.

Where's the story, guys?

Guys? Miller, Blair, et al. You fail. Mark? Not even D-. How about R for Remedial? Or maybe L: what utter Losers.

But wait, it's we, the working stiffs, who pay their overblown salaries, and all the innocents who suffer because of their PC idiocies, who are the real losers.

People of Canada, wake up!

Terrorism in Canada has already occurred, a number of times. Canadian Sentinel, were you so paranoid back when Litton Systems in Etobicoke had a bomb explosion?

How about during the FLQ "crisis?"

I worked at Litton Systems - and also lived in Northern Ireland. The paranoia is utterly amusing.

Quote: "It sounds to me like a guy who either wanted to do a torch job or commit suicide."

Note that the police spokesman quoted said "It sounds to me..."

Meaning it's his own personal opinion, not a formal statement from the police, therefore he's not actually saying that it isn't terrorism.

And, Mr. Scott, I wouldn't mouth off about paranoia if I were you... I recall a little profanity-laden spat you once had herein which made you sound a little paranoid yourself... I recall also that you declared you wouldn't return here... yet here you are again. I therefore have no lessons to take from you.

And terrorism isn't amusing. Not at all.

And it's better to err on the side of security than to err on the side of death. You leftists are free to pursue your gamble of having it every way you want it at the risk of being wrong about the threat environment surrounding us...

Excuse me if I prefer to keep my eyes open rather than to have a latent wish to have some zombie intrude into my home and chop off my head... or to be blown up in a Tim's or the subway...

It's the job of our leaders (sic) to report facts to the citizenry without fear or prejudice in a timely fashion. So, at this point, whether the dead person's name is Jack, Pierre, or Mohammed, it's clear that the powers that be have failed miserably.

Lookout gets it. Canadian Sentinel gets it. I like to think that I get it.

Ian Scott doesn't.

Wake up, Mr. Scott. With some vigilance, it could be your own life you save... :-)

Is Mr. "X" still Mr. "X"?

Is his name white, brown, green, yellow, blue, red...... Just love speculation in the absence of information from the "oddtoriteis".
More speculation:

Where is Mr. "X"'s family? Did he have a family? Maybe he was a seal hunter?

Speaking of explosions, Jack's head exploded:

Gendercide Watch: The Montreal Massacre
"Until Montréal, most of the discussion was introspective," Layton recalled in ... My head exploded that year. 'What must it be like for women?' I thought. ...
www.gendercide.org/case_montreal.html - 23k -

"People of Canada,wake up." Now what does that remind me of? Got it, "Deutschland erwache!"

I'd like to know what Chicken Little, sorry, Canadian Sentinel, Lookout and the New Kid on the Block are getting. It sure isn't facts, but then those are not required for preaching to the converted on this blog.

how to get the ave. canuks atention blow up a tim hortons. Give it is Canada they used a small explosive. No need to waste a good one.

last time i was in tim's i ask for a large coffee they gave me something that was 8oz so i had to go back and order 2 more.

You got that, Vochanan. As soon as Tim's was sold south, they went "conservative" and into "cost-cutting improvements," such as smaller portions.

Was this "car" registered in the name of Mr. "X"?

Stolen? Rented? Is the VIN valid?
Next-of-kin?

Who is/was Mr. "X"? About 48 hours after this bang; Mr. "X" has no name?

Should you care? +

A car found in the area of the Tim Hortons outlet in which a man died in a flash fire on Sunday is being examined by forensic experts.

"A vehicle found at a nearby parking garage has been taken to the Centre for Forensic Sciences for investigation and we are examining video evidence," Det.-Sgt. Myron Demkiw said yesterday outside the Yonge and Cumberland Sts. coffee shop. +
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/04/04/1519347-sun.html

Voch
Try
"Extra" large next time.
That's a "fact" gadgetfart.

I'll just let "Agitfact" believe what he/she wishes. I'd, in the meantime, recommend going over to my blog to see what facts/information I've offered so far prior to mouthing off like some moonbat.

So, Agitfact, you'd prefer to live in a fantasy world in which Canada is somehow impervious to terrorism and other attacks by evildoers due to a force field of niceness and political correctness? Why not get Svend Robinson as PM and everything will be perfect, eh?

You do what you want. Go play and ignore the real world. Nothing's stopping you. Enjoy your blissful ignorance with your noggin up your hiney... :-)

"Canadian Sentinel," take off one from the count of hits on your blog to-day. That was me checking for the facts you advertised, but I couldn't find any.

Have you considered a career in pulp fiction?

large at dunkin don'ts is 20 oz x large is 24 oz

but the baked goods are better at tim's.

if you really need a caffine fix get an x large and make it a turbo.

54 oz at 7/11

Well, Agitfact, you speak pretty pompously for one who him/herself has offered no facts...

You also didn't point to anything specific to take issue with it. So how do I know you're not just yanking my chain?

Feel free to bring anything up in my comments section. What do you dispute? Nothing's stopping you.

The latest non-fiction from the UK: Islamist terrorists plotting to pulp/shred/dice/kaboom & kill the infidels.

Islam: The religion of the sword and the pulpers. +

"No Terrorist-Free Zones in the UK"

The United Kingdom has a BIG problem: Bomb investigator says UK threat still high.

BERLIN (Reuters) - Investigations into last July’s London suicide bombings are proceeding with no let-up but the terrorist threat to Britain has not declined, the country’s top anti-terrorism investigator said on Tuesday.

“Since July, the pace of investigation, the scale of the threat has not diminished in any way whatsoever,” Peter Clarke, the national coordinator of terrorism investigations, told a security conference in Germany.

He added: “There are no terrorist-free zones in the United Kingdom. The footprint of international terrorism is in every part of the country.” +
via LGF

You must all remember that the universe is a dangerous place and everything and everyone in it is out to get you and me, including you and me.

To think the universe isn't violent and trying to eliminate you is foolish and frankly just stupid.

I quote Agitfact: "I'd like to know what Chicken Little, sorry, Canadian Sentinel, Lookout and the New Kid on the Block are getting. It sure isn't facts".

Thanks, Agit-fact (sic), for making my point again: We're certainly NOT getting facts. Could you perhaps fill us in about the particulars here? Unless you're clairvoyant, I doubt it.

If this is a straightforward investigation, why the coyness on the part of the police and politicians? That's my point.

Sintinel:

"And, Mr. Scott, I wouldn't mouth off about paranoia if I were you... I recall a little profanity-laden spat you once had herein which made you sound a little paranoid yourself"

What does the use of precise, simple language have to do with "paranoia? Your mind projects upon language?

"... I recall also that you declared you wouldn't return here... yet here you are again."

Yes. I changed my mind. I find it humorous here at times.

"I therefore have no lessons to take from you."

Written like someone who is unteachable.

"And terrorism isn't amusing. Not at all."

No, but your projections upon this event are amusing.

"And it's better to err on the side of security than to err on the side of death."

Give me liberty, or give me death.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" ~ Benjamin Franklin

"You leftists"

Your insane projection, as well as fallacy of generalization and ad hominem. I am no "leftist."

"are free to pursue your gamble of having it every way you want it at the risk of being wrong about the threat environment surrounding us..."

You "feel" threatened? I don't.

"Excuse me if I prefer to keep my eyes open"

Except that you are not keeping them open. You've already determined that "they are lying."

"rather than to have a latent wish to have some zombie intrude into my home and chop off my head... or to be blown up in a Tim's or the subway..."

Your fantastical projections at work, once again.

New Kid:

"Wake up, Mr. Scott. With some vigilance, it could be your own life you save..."

With some vigilance, I've already saved my own life a number of times, as well as other lives besides my own.

Sintenel:

"If this is a straightforward investigation, why the coyness on the part of the police and politicians?"

What "coyness?" You watch too much CSI. Do you have any clue about officially identifying a person after they are found dead? Do you have any clue about the protocol involved?

The police have already said what it is not. It is not "terrorism." It's not P.I. Rockford working on the case, you know.

Sorry, Lookout (and Sentinel,) just got back from a dinner party, and it's too late to write much tonight.

I suspect that there are few facts to be gotten from any reliable source. If all the police have to work with is a badly burned body, it's going to take time to get an ID, and, should no one file a missing person's, it may take a long time indeed. Let the police do their job. Unlike bloggers, they carry responsibility and can't jump to conclusions.

You, in turn, suspect that police and officialdom are holding back. Would a single individual trying to do dirt with a can of gas cause enough alarm and terror in the population to warrant a cover-up? As long as we are only trading in suspicions, let me raise another one: don't you think that tangible evidence that terrorism has surfaced would be used by police forces and governments as justification for security measures and additional resources?

There is no way to tip the balance of probability either way right now, so let's wait for it.

Will have to get back to y'all later. Must run... work to do!

BTW, I didn't write: "If this is a straightforward investigation, why the coyness on the part of the police and politicians?"

Someone else wrote that. So address them.

In the meantime, check my blog.

The "MSM" (Toronto and Ottawa papers)report to-day that the "Horton Bomber" (my phrase) was a suicide who incinerated himself.

His identity is known but has not been released because the man's immediate family has not yet been notified. The man's wife and child left him recently and returned to South Asia. He was known to be suffering from depression.

Those seem to be the facts for now.

So, agitfact, where did you get your info on the guy who exploded at Tim Horton's on Sunday? All I could find at the Globe and Mail was that it wasn't an accident. They didn't mention anything about the man's family or his nationality. How did you find out he'd been depressed and that his wife and child had left him and gone back to South Asia?

Your information seems to be more than the Toronto police and its mayor are telling us...

PS: agitfact: I know you didn't mention the man's nationality, but by implication, the wife's if she went "back to South Asia."

Sentinel... looking for all this information and "facts" you apparently have on your website - but all I'm seeing there is blackness and a link to a site owned by someone named Kellen Westman and Daniel Yakiwchuk.

Has your site been hacked?? May I jump to that conclusion?

New Kid, the most details are from the print-edition of the Ottawa Citizen, citing police sources. There was no indication of nationality, although there obviously could be a south Asian angle. No doubt more will be coming out soon.

His name will be "Gamil Garbi"-ish and the thought police are trying to translate it to Bob Smith, for the shiny happy people.

Police will NOT release his name, because family asked them not to. http://www.680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20060406_163855_5256

Let me get it straight:

A guy wants to (presumably without anyone else).
So the easiest way to do that is to take a can of gasoline to a Tim Hortons in downtown Toronto (near the subway and other places of interest)?
Right?
Man, I can think of a few less complicated ways of committing .
It's really bizarre.