After destroying the Buddhas of Afghanistan, burning the Churches of Kosovo, Muslims are now destroying the Christian legacy of France.[...]
Today (march 22, 2006) we learn that this government has let 1,000 years of cultural and religious legacy to become smoke and ashes.
Barbarians and savages entered in the library of “l’Ecole des Chartes” (100,000 books) in the Sorbonne, and destroyed writings of abbeys of Île-de-France containing all the official documents since the middle age.
More at WaPo - "Paris Burning, Once Again";
France is still in the grip of precisely the political mentality that has prevailed here since the Middle Ages. As the protesters themselves cheerfully declare: It's the street that rules. Today's mobs, like their predecessors, are notable for their poor grasp of economic principles and their hostility to the free market. Only wardrobe distinguishes these demonstrations from those that led to the invasion of the national convention in 1795, when first the mob protested that commodity prices were too high; when the government responded with price controls, it protested with equal vigor that goods had disappeared and black market prices had risen. Similarly, the students on the streets today espouse economic views entirely unpolluted by reality. If the CPE is enacted, said one young woman, "You'll get a job knowing that you've got to do every single thing they ask you to do because otherwise you may get sacked."Imagine that.
The Paris Car-B-Q Needing More Fuel from The American Princess
Turning from cars to the great works of the French abbeys; the Religion of Peace is stealing and possibly burning books from the Sorbonne. Ten precious religious books, des "cartulaires ecclesiastiques" (see below) that contain documents dating from th... [Read More]
Tracked on March 29, 2006 10:20 AM
This wasn't covered by any of the MSM that I'm aware of. Presumably, the MSM were busy during this time writing their rationales for their cowardice and hypocrisy in the Danish cartoons matter and assuring us that Islam is a "religion of peace".
Posted by: Dave at March 25, 2006 9:41 AMwhere's the cheese ??
where's the white flags ??
The Gaulic temperment + muslim intolerance = RIOTS!!
Posted by: Fred at March 25, 2006 9:42 AMNothing new, the French bureaucracy has a long and dishonourable history of not protecting history.
A couple pf years ago a riot 0ver some idiotic thing in Brittany caused the library of the Duchy of Brittany to go up...priceless manuscripts.
Drives me nuts. Have they not heard of protected archives, fireproof vaults, copies, fire fighters, riot police?
Posted by: the other Fred at March 25, 2006 10:03 AMAnd all the Leftists are rubbing their hands with glee at this, I'm sure.
Christianity is the root of all evil to them, so this acted was deservedly done. France, on the other hand, unlike the US, DID bring it upon themsleves.
Who's next?
Posted by: Doug at March 25, 2006 10:11 AMso, I guess they got even for that Koran in the toilet incident...
that'll teach 'em? not likely, it's gonna get much worse.
Islam is like the Borg from Star Trek - you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
Posted by: infidel at March 25, 2006 11:19 AMQuick send in the Christian Peacekeepers. Wait a minute, they would accuse the police of aggression and demand that the burners and rioters be left alone.
Posted by: takefive at March 25, 2006 11:45 AMThis is surprising... to who? Maybe the members of the Left Wing Albino Lesbian Pipefitters Union.
What they don't want to admit is that we're talking about the same freakazoids who strap explosives to their children and celebrate the subsequent rain of body parts as an act of religious piety.
Wake up and smell the fanatics.
Is this for real?
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at March 25, 2006 11:54 AMI'm having a hard time believing an incident of this magnitude could happen without anything said in the MSM. Is there a source of this report other than "today we learn that..."?
Posted by: Rod at March 25, 2006 12:40 PMNot only is it for real, but it's spread to Canada. Muslim cartoon 'protests' in Toronto and Montreal. Leftwing and Muslim 'peace protests' last weekend. The leftwing/Muslim coalition is complete. That's the real axis of evil and the rest of us better wake up.
Posted by: Irwin Daisy at March 25, 2006 12:46 PMA French speaking reader of my blog writes:
It looks like the books are missing not burnt:
http://voxgalliae.blogspot.com/2006/03/livres-religieux-rares-brls-ou-vols-la.html
Here's the la Croix (one of the French Catholic newspapers) article:
http://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/060321175646.jxy35e77.htm
***
I don't speak French, so...
Incidents like this may pale in comparison to what could happen, if this reference is in any way credible:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
Posted by: Joe Canuck at March 25, 2006 1:07 PMI've been all over the place looking for reference to this France piece.
No mention anywhere.
So, either this is a complete fabrication, a vast distortion or there is a very large conspiracy to suppress.
Given the number of blogs and independent news caches around the web ..it looks like this story is Tainted ! Unsubstantiated BS....
Prove me wrong!
Posted by: PGP at March 25, 2006 1:19 PMFrance is an even bigger pretend country than Canada is. The Muslims have already won there and in and Spain. Nothing to do now but wait for the exodus of white so-called christians to flood to the despised North America for protection.
I'll bet nobody was spending much time reading those heritage books anyway. It is usually bullshit and I hear most of it was written in French.
Get used to it y'all. That's what the Jihad is .... burn and kill everything that is not muslim or if it is muslim of another sect. These shit muslims will eat their own.
Posted by: Duke at March 25, 2006 1:39 PM"The French education minister, Gilles de Robien, said Saturday that the students had damaged the building and destroyed a number or 'ancient books' in its library. He said the occupation of the building was a 'turning point' in the governtment's tolerance of the protests"
It's from www.sfgate.com
I googled in news, sorbonne library fire
not so difficult... it's at a New York Times site too... register required.
I am sure I read of this in the National Post (dead tree version...) either yesterday or the day previous. I looked at the e-version, but it isn't there now. After all, its been 3 days, no use beating the dead horse of dusty burnt books. Its old news in those books, what worth could it be to study history? sarc\
Posted by: marc in calgary at March 25, 2006 2:08 PMIt'll be a lot easier to deny the historacity of Christianity once all the ancient documents referencing it are destroyed.
Burn baby burn shout the socialist student pawns!
Good ridence say the "intellectual elitists"
destroy the infidels heresy shout the jihadists
such intollerance can no longer be tolerated quip the "progressives"
Posted by: Ryan at March 25, 2006 2:13 PMA previous entry mentioned "Spain" - the proper term for that land is 'Andalusia'.
There is no history but Mohammed.
Resistance is futile.
Posted by: infidel at March 25, 2006 2:14 PMThey probably aren't covering this story because there is more important journalistic stories like Harper's waistline and Cheney's hotel requests. With stories like those, why bother?
Posted by: Lanny at March 25, 2006 2:43 PMI believe this story is a canard, or an exaggeration.
For those who read French and are curious, I suggest the following link:
http://passouline.blog.lemonde.fr/livres/2006/03/des_livres_brls.html
The books were 19th century mass-produced copies of older texts. They were damaged/destroyed in the general mayhem of the occupation of a part of a Parisian university. There is no mention of "religious infidels" being the cause.
Posted by: August1991 at March 25, 2006 2:45 PMEin Volk, Ein Ummah, Ein Muhammed....SOUND FAMILIAR?
Posted by: Raymond Hietapakka at March 25, 2006 3:43 PMThe fuss may be a result of a mistranslation. Students protesting a change in the French labour laws seized a Sorbonne building and hurled books from the upper floors at riot police who then fired tear gas to drive the students out. There was no religious connotation to the incident, except socialism of course.
Posted by: Rob at March 25, 2006 4:37 PMAccording to the NYT about 200 STUDENTS were in the Sorbonne library and did some damage to the building and destroyed some "ancient texts". There is no mention of Islam or Muslims or Mohammed or anything Arab or Arabic.
Just run-of-the-mill garden variety students on a rampage. Its been known to happen in many countries of the world, even this one.
Sorry to disappoint all you folks looking for more reasons to hate. Never mind, you know they must have been left wing radical students. So you can still feel morally superior in your Right wingedness. You and G.W.Bush definitely morally superior.
I guess they got even for that Koran in the toilet incident...
Never happened. That's long been refuted and put to rest. Go Google for yourself.
So, the culprits are either rabid leftist students or rabid Islamic fundamentalists. Or both together. What's it matter. They both vilify Christianity. How could books be destroyed because of "general mayhem"? They aren't lying on the floor.
In the not too distant future, if trends continue in France, the Louve and the Notre Dame will be pulverized. Count on it. Their wines aren't that great anymore. Surrendering their vineyards won't be the worst thing in the world. If they had a brain they would have opened their immigration to Eastern Europeans who would have supported their wine industry. Too late now.
Amusing, Chirac leaves an EU meeting in a huff because one of the French delegation uses English, the universal language of business, but, shows no indignation to the vile homicidal chants of Muslim rioters in Paris. Preserving perfect French on the road to Arabic speaking dhimmitude is so ironic.
Here's one American that would be enraged if some numbskull politician in 10 years time wants to rescue France from the ashes again. Never has a Western country been more worthy of their coming fate.
What is this strange feeling? -- I'm actually about to say a word in France's defense. My understanding is that French courts continue to rule against Islamist legal appeals for censorship, and there's no doubt that their prohibition of veils and such in schools are probably unprecedented in the Western world.
I hope that library rampage story turns out to be an exaggeration or something, because the thought of destruction of ancient texts makes my monkey-brain light up like a Christmas tree -- and who needs that?
Posted by: EBD at March 25, 2006 5:38 PM"...still feel morally superior in your right wingedness."
wingyness? Or perhaps wingywingedness?
Posted by: Irwin Daisy at March 25, 2006 5:47 PMOh, and one more thing
this is different from the "supposed looting" of the Baghdad museum by coalition forces exactly how? Is that why the MSM is all over it?
Posted by: Doug at March 25, 2006 6:10 PMDoug
The coalition forces did not loot the Baghad Museum it was the Iraqis themselves. The coalition forces did however watch them do it.
The coalition troops did remember to guard the Oil Ministry. Not a sheet of paper was taken from that building. But that was probably just a fluke that the one building they guarded was the Oil Ministry. It has to be a fluke right? Because they didn't have a plan about what to do once they defeated Saddam, did they?
"My understanding is that French courts continue to rule against Islamist legal appeals for censorship"
.......while they've self-censored themselves, EBD. Le Monde and Le Figaro never showed the cartoons like the burqa clad quislings at WaPo and the NYT's.
Here's a blog site from Paris. OK, he doesn't like France and lives there, but what's to like?
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/
France was the main collaborator of Saddam's nuclear reactor. It's the leading rogue in the oil-for-food scandal at the UN. It is a country that has no morals when it comes to international diplomacy. Their recent behavior in the Ivory Coast should raise eyebrows. Didn't Arafat die there? And Miss Piggy, his widow, still resides protected in Paris? They screw the EU at every opportunity.
France is a rotten little arrogant blot in Europe. Know can anyone, except some mindless effete leftist idiot on a campus teaching Derrida and other assorted French bullshit, that likes them?
Oh, and by the way, steve, Bush is morally superior.
Posted by: penny at March 25, 2006 6:36 PMWell it seems that the trend continues!
Europe is circling the toiletbowl like a turd about to disappear into the sewer. And turd / toad / trolls continue to ad NOTHING of value wherever they pass.
Penny
Thanks for the tip about Bush. I thought it was a state secret. He certainly thinks he is superior...to your laws. Apparently he writes addendums to legislation he signs into law saying that he will follow the law only if it suits him. So yeah, he sound more than superior, he sounds Imperial.
You're such a boring and predictable troll and you are about to prove it again.
Posted by: Doug at March 25, 2006 7:02 PMPenny? Vive La France! Just for this one post.
Posted by: EBD at March 25, 2006 7:09 PMDoug
Maybe boring and predictable but I do tell truth. Sometimes the truth is boring and predictable. But maybe its the questions I answer that are boring and predictable. It takes at least two to produce the boring and predictable. Can a boring observation produce an exciting response?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha hah hah!
Posted by: Doug at March 25, 2006 7:26 PMBwhaaaaaa...burn, you frog assholes. You will not protect yourselves, the you deserve this, and for your so-called Euro-wienie culture to disappear. Burn the appeasers.
Posted by: Justthinkin at March 25, 2006 7:41 PMYou're right, EBD, they do deserve one "maybe they are trying to do the right thing" comment out of a hundred.
Vive La France! Once. (Now, I'm back to being all over the jerks.)
Posted by: penny at March 25, 2006 7:44 PMI've got your back.
Posted by: EBD at March 25, 2006 7:48 PMTroll, troll cleared his throat
and he tried to scream;
"verily, verily, verily, verily,
Islam's but a dream."
steve d. said:
"Just run-of-the-mill garden variety students on a rampage."
Just a "run-of-the-mill" Islamist garden variety student terrorist on a rampage:
complete with a rented Jeep Cherokee.
Islam: The religion of the sword and the SUV. +
UNC-Chapel Hill Attacker's Islamic Justification
Here’s the full text of the UNC-Chapel Hill car-attack jihadi’s suicide letter, found in his apartment after the attack: Mohammed Taheri-Azar’s letter to police. (Hat tips: rayra and zombie.)
In the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate.
To whom it may concern:
I am writing this letter to inform you of my reasons for premeditating and attempting to murder citizens and residents of the United States of America on Friday, March 3, 2006 in the city of Chapel Hill, North Carolina by running them over with my automobile and stabbing them with a knife if the opportunities are presented to me by Allah.
I did intend to use a handgun to murder the citizens and residents of Chapel Hill, North Carolina but the process of receiving a permit for a handgun in this city is highly restricted and out of my reach at the present, most likely due to my foreign nationality.
I am a servant of Allah. I am 22 years of age and I was born in Tehran, Iran. My father, mother and older sister immigrated to the United States in 1985 when I was two years of age and I’ve lived in the United States ever since. +
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog
(hot link from LGF unavailable at this time;overloaded)
Penny my comment regarding the koran in the toilet...
really I have no idea of its truth or not... as I'm not put out by this action.
I think once the msm reports on this sort of thing, regardless of whether it is true or not, it soon finds its way back to the ME, someone there speaks of it as the gosple truth, and inflames more junior jihadist's, gives them and others reason (or cause) to flame the good work that has been done in Iraq and other areas lately. There isn't much in the way of Islamic function that I think is worth saving... having spent the afternoon reading in www.theamericanthinker.com and its take on the Jihadi terrorists, I think I am on the correct (right!) track.
As an aside to this, Theage.com (Melborrne) has a different take on the ungrateful Canadians freed from Iraq.. very different from CBC, CTV... and it mentions the man that is planning to travel to Iraq for the next intervention.... *don't send help*
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/freed-men-refuse-to-help-rescuers/2006/03/25/1143084055833.html
maz2, in the killers letter, In the name of Allah, uff,
"most likely due to my foreign nationality"
The US constitution protects the rights, and gives certain rights, to all people in the USA, including the right to bear arms. This enemy combatant, may not have gotten his handgun, for so many different reasons, lack of drivers licence?, visibly angry when he applied for a gun?, no money?, no background search?, it could have been anything.
any idiot can have a gun... he must have been a special "run of the mill" idiot.
maz2
Imagine quoting me out of context. What a shock.
So desperate to make a point that context is ignored. Tens of thousands of Americans are killed every year by crazy people with guns and automobiles. You have chosen one, who happens to be angry and Muslim. Is the point to prove you are racist or anti-semitic or anti-Islam or anti-young guys, or what?
Kathy Shaidle asked:
Is this for real?
This is not a question that has concerned Kathy 'the quote fabricator' Shaidle before. Ironic, isn't it?
Oh, and hands up everyone--excepting Steve D--who bothered to spend two or three minutes of googling to see if there was any factual basis to the bigoted post Kate uncritically linked to before joining in the chorus of anti-Islamic bigotry.
Posted by: Stephen at March 25, 2006 9:00 PMStephen
Thanks, I like your comment and your name!
Yeah, that posting smelled from the first word. You have to check those.
...just goes to show you, guess we should check the facts first before crying "wolf"...
Found an update posting on a blog:
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/
And the NYT reference...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/international/europe/19paris.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Stupid students...
Posted by: tomax at March 25, 2006 10:22 PMIt is hard to overestimate the importance of the School of
Chartres in Western intellectual history, for all that it is
known mainly to scholars. The destruction of those archives is
a body blow to our intellectual tradition. God! Even the Nazis
were somewhat respectful of our common heritage, if not of
persons.
Like I said, boring and predictable.
The left "feels" that critical thinking means take the opposite side of what your opponents say.
What's up that name anyway? I suppose all trolls are alike.
Want proof? Here ya go:
Posted by: Doug at March 25, 2006 11:14 PMDoug
I think you are the one who "feels" like he has take the contrary view. My view was backed up by a NYT article so I "feel" my view is more true than your "feeling" that is based on your "feeling" and nothing else.
Doug
Your "feeling" again watch out. Your "feeling" is becoming all too predictable. Remember you are Conservative, be like your leader, bland. Bland is the new cool.
Steve D.... you are taking up alot of my time scrolling through your MSM spouted comments. Please post less so that I can read some intelligent conversation in a more timely manner. If I wanted spin, I would watch CBC
Posted by: Lanny at March 26, 2006 12:40 AMLanny
I don't get it. If I post less how are you possibly going to get intelligent conversation????
Doug perhaps?: LOOOOL! very intelligent perhaps its code for you Lanny
Is the term "better than the fall of the Berlin wall" too offensive?
Posted by: Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man at March 26, 2006 2:08 AMSteve D:
When you're trolling, trying to refute a conservative source or allegation, never, I mean NEVER, use the New York Times as your defence. It's such a left-wing, defend-the-reigning lib-fem-elitist Zeitgeist that the minute you mention it, you show how deeply ingrained your left-lib-fem mindset is. 'Doesn't do your "side" any good at all...
Posted by: new kid on the block at March 26, 2006 8:00 AMwell anyway,
yesterday I could only find the source at NYTimes, and a SanFransico news site, (no further comment on these spinsters here?) I'd like to find it at a "quality site"... On 11.March the LATimes and Reuters covered this lightly, "University authorities said the protesters had destroyed historic documents in the School of National Charters, an archive of pre-French Revolution texts" so not... "19th century mass produced copies of older texts" (2.45pm entry) but not destroyed by Islamists either...
It seems only, the "religion of the left" may be at the root.
Perhaps for Gilles de Robien, this will become the "the man's not for turning" - Margaret Thatcher type moment for him.
marc in calgary,
RE: "The US constitution protects the rights, and gives certain rights, to all people in the USA, including the right to bear arms. "
The US Constitution legally applies only to US citizens.
Just being in the US does not make one entitled to the rights the Constitution guarantees to its citizens.
Posted by: concrete at March 26, 2006 9:59 AMThere are no longer barbarians at the gate.
We let them in long ago.
Posted by: cal2 at March 26, 2006 10:52 AMMy view was backed up by a NYT article so I "feel" my view is more true
Right. And every Communist apparachnik believed every word in Pravda right up to the end. With all of the corrections of late at the NYT's and their predictable leftist agenda do you really think it's intelligent to cite them as your only source?
steve, in between your troll postings could you describe your day?
Posted by: penny at March 26, 2006 11:28 AMconcrete, The US Constitution, applies to all people in the USA. I am Canadian, If I go to Montana, and kill someone, they "read my rights to me" and we all follow "due process". If I go to Great Falls and buy a Glock 9mm, with a drivers licence to prove who I am, it is within my constitutional right to do so.
It doesn't apply at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, (where the enemy combatants are held) for example, because it's (leased from) Cuba, it is not territory of the USA.
I believe the Canadian Constitution applies to citizens and non citizens that are legally here as well, equally.
In fact, because this is Canada, it probably applies to folks that are not here legally as well.. (uff.) and are fighting a deportation order...
The problem with Right wing media is that they only regurgitate,unedited, White House memos and talking points. So what is the point in quoting self-serving propaganda?
The NYT at least has its own point of view. Make no mistake though it iS located in New York City. A city not known for its ultra conservatism. The news paper reflects the community. That is how you sell newspapers.
FOX news is serving a community too. But I don't have to go to Fox news to read the Presidents press releases.
Penny what I do all day is read. Its a great life. Books, newspapers, blogs, magazines, food labels, basically everything.
Posted by: steve d. at March 26, 2006 12:34 PMmarc, RE: "I am Canadian, If I go to Montana, and kill someone, they "read my rights to me" and we all follow "due process".
You would be charged and prosecuted under the USA law, which does of course apply.
Here is a quote from the National Archives about the Bill of Rights,
"They demanded a "bill of rights" that would spell out the immunities of individual citizens."
Your individual civil and political rights come from your own Canadian government.
Posted by: concrete at March 26, 2006 1:51 PMSteve d. re "Tens of thousands of Americans are killed every year by crazy people with guns and automobiles. You have chosen one, who happens to be angry and Muslim. Is the point to prove you are racist or anti-semitic or anti-Islam or anti-young guys, or what?"
Speaking of context, I wonder what your reaction will be when one of these twisted jihadi screwups finally detonates a nuclear bomb in our midst?
I am Canadian, and when I am in the USA, Canadian law doesn't apply, USA law does.
Posted by: marc in calgary at March 26, 2006 2:15 PMThe Constitutional Amendment that gives this protection to "everyone" in the USA is #14
The Supreme Court held in Yick Wo v Hopkins (1886), that aliens, those persons living in the US who are not American citizens, were protected by the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court held in Plyler v Doe (1982) that a Texas law forbidding illegal immigrants to attend public school violated the Equal Protection Clause.
Laws regarding citizenship, voting, and serving on juries are exempted... and the Bill of Rights apply to you and I equally. (which I think is cool.) and thanks to you Concrete, for making me "look it up".
Find it here,
http://www.constitutioncenter.org/constitution/details_explanation.php?link=175&const=21_amd_14&keyword=aliens
Re the "l'Ecole de Chartres" library
It seems not to have been as bad as it might have been, but is bad enough. No "student" with any trace of the scholar in him would destroy old books. Indeed, when I was an undergrad it was the fact that studentoid activists were destroying library card catalogues which turned me against them. And why in Heaven's name storm the Sorbonne library? There are plenty of things to bust in Paris - expensive shop windows, for instance, for that socialist thrill. If the studentoids really wanted to throw books, why didn't they go to the librarie Ghibert, not very far away? Tens of thousands of books, all in print; no single volume that couldn't be immediately replaced.
As for the destruction of 19th C French academic books - they were "mass-produced" in one sense, but then so were the Gutenberg bibles. The last time I purchased a 19th C French academic book I paid US$400 for it, and that was for a facsimile.
I trust there is now an armed guard at the Musee de Cluny.
Not to mention Notre Dame.
Time and time and time again, over and over and over, for centuries and centuries and centuries, France has been demonstrating that it's really stupid... and they even claim they invented the Age of Enlightenment (maybe they had problems translating from their English sources)!
Posted by: Macdezart at March 26, 2006 5:54 PMmarc, you are welcome.
The US Constitution is a wonderful document.
It is for the most part short and to the point.
Here is the 14th amendment (which addresses State versus Federal powers).
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Not quite.
Your rights and responsibilities as a Canadian (i.e. remitting tax) extend beyond the border.
Posted by: concrete at March 26, 2006 10:36 PMJoe Canuck
It is all about good intelligence, getting it and acting on it. If we don't have it we are screwed. Fighting them over there won't stop them from coming over here. They are spread all over the world. So if we are not spending the bulk of our resources monitoring and scanning for this kind of terror attack then we should be. Our only offence is a good defense. An army is useless against this kind of sleeper cell guerilla.
Steve d. Fighting terrorist groups over there at least keeps them in disarray and turmoil. Leaving them alone will only allow them to regroup and concentrate more on infiltrating western countries.
But I agree that we will need intensive domestic (and foreign) surveillance and intelligence regardless of what the ultimate decisions are wrt our armed forces overseas.
It is sad that our attempts to give these people the gift of democracy and freedom turns out to be akin to offering a rabid dog a bone.
Posted by: Joe Canuck at March 28, 2006 3:24 AM