The Hostage Rescue: “Only the Farmers Have Won” from The Phantom Observer
Several of my fellow Blogging Tories are upset this morning over last night’s re-capture of three Western peacekeeping hostages in Iraq. Oh, not over the rescue itself, but over the hostage’s employers’ response, which is available h... [Read More]

Tracked on March 23, 2006 11:08 AM

Three “Christian Peacemaker Teams” members are back in the news from cerdipity
Remember those four guys that belonged to that never-before-heard-of group called “Christian Peacemaker Teams” (CPT) that disappeared in Iraq late last year? They were allegedly kidnapped by another little-known group calling itself the &#... [Read More]

Tracked on March 23, 2006 3:03 PM

The carefully planned part is bullshit. It is already clear that the kidnappers were long gone before any of the "rescuers" showed up. The effort to spin this into a great Victory for the glorious Conquerer is already starting to come undone. We'll find out in a day or two that the kidnappers phoned somebody telling them where to pick up the CPTers and split.

Pretty gutsy news release by CPT, by the way. They know the militant righties will be firing their guns into the roof over it, and did it anyway.

BCL - got any links to back up what you assert?

BCL:

The most noteworthy thing is that Canadian forces were involved IN IRAQ.

Hmmmm...bgcitylib sound like a...CHICKENHAWK!

Go fight in Iraq YOURSELF if you're such a tough guy!

What's the matter? CHICKENHAWK?

BCL - you must love it over here at Kate's site - you get your blood pressure riled up and you get to promote your own blogsite which obviously you don't get alot of traffic on because you feel the need to advertise in almost every post!!

However - how the hell do you know what has happened - I can't believe how the left has turned around a great thing done by troops who put themselves at personal risk to save people who should not have been there in the first place, into an anti- american slag!

Gord is right - show some proof that what you are saying is right and even if it is and the kidnappers were gone - so bloody what!!!! Those "hostages" should not have been there in the first place and thank god they didn't die, but don't denigrate what happened behind the scenes with regards to planning and carrying out a rescue - its pretty easy for you to sit in your big comfy couch in Toronto or Vancouver or wherever you live in this free country and pronounce what you did.

Sorry Kate for feeding this Troll but his holier than thou attitude PISSED me off!!

Hypocrites rescued. The 'Peacemakers' made peace with Saddam Hussein while he was having humans stuffed into woodchippers feet first. They got the media coverage they wanted from these kidnappers, one of them was even martyred in order to prove their credentials. It's unfortunate that troops had to waste time and energy on that evil group while trying to re-build a country.

The CBC goes one better with this headline

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/03/23/family_loney060323.html

using the word "release".

Gord, its a prediction. You will see it come true in a day or two.

As a matter of fact, the kidnappers had made for the hills a long time before anyone showed up to "rescue" anyone. You can get that from any of the news reports.

You don't leave hostages alone in a building unless you want them to get away or be "rescued". Jesus, kids, don't be naive! The kidnappers decided to release

BCL - You can get that from any of the news reports.

Really - well I guess you know what you are talking about. haha

Please - look at all the "news" our MSM puts out! - The MSM has crafted the art of using carefully selected wording to put their partisan spin on things! Keep that in mind as you sip your latte this afternoon.

Back in December a friend of mine emailed me a request to sign a petition to release these jokers. After going to the petition site and reading a bit about their group and what they stood for, I sent him back this response:

From: Sooz
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:27 AM
To: Mark
Subject: An Urgent Appeal: Please Release Our Friends in Iraq

Mark with all due respect, I cannot sign a petition in support of any group who has "spent countless hours interviewing Iraqis about abuse and torture suffered at the hands of US forces and have disseminated this information internationally" yet were not in the least bit interested in helping Iraqis who were being oppressed, abused and tortured at the hands of Saddam Hussein and his Baathist thugs.

I feel great sympathy for these folks, and their families, and certainly wish them a safe return home; however it is my view they are extremely misguided. I will not sign my name to anything that purports that America is the problem here.

Sorry,
Sooz

"We rejoice in the return of Harmeet Sooden. He has been willing to put his life on the line to promote justice in Iraq and Palestine as a young man newly committed to active peacemaking."

What is active peacemaking?

At least we don't have troops on the ground fighting in Iraq though, right? :-)

These people traveled to a country their governments advise against visiting. They cost time and money. Send them the bill.

"Released" doc's include:

" the Oil for Food program,..."

Maurice Strong, Jean Chretien, Paul Who?, must be "released" from their silence; Kofi UN is in hiding.

Someone translate this doc re Oil for Food program .The Canadian connection must be exposed. +

More Captured Iraqi Docs Released
Weekly Standard ^ | 3-22-06 | Daniel McKivergan

Posted on 03/23/2006 7:02:56 AM PST by eyespysomething

More Captured Iraqi Docs Released

Additional material (text, audio and video) has just been released by the US Army Foreign Military Studies Office. If you can translate any of it, please send it along. Here's a sample of the material with its accompanying synopsis:

IISP-2003-00038100
Synopsis: Intelligence coded memo by two IIS Officers: O'mer Ghanim Muhammad and Manzar Ibrahim Al Mashhadani containing intelligence information on various topics: Weapon Boat (Ship); Palestinian Muneer Fathi Basiis, Palestinians trained in Iraq, sources, codeetc.

ISGP-2003-00014647
Synopsis: An order from Saddam Hussein to present $25,000 for the suicide bomber families in Palestine.

ISGP-2003-10150276
Synopsis: Saddam Hussein's speech urging the Arab people to get rid of their regimes.

ISGP-2003-10151538
Synopsis: Discussions between Saddam Hussein and Iraqi officials regarding the Iraqi and Arabian Islamic belief awareness.

ISGQ-2003-M0003871
Synopsis: Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Revolutionary council discussing cooperation and unity with the Syrians.

ISGQ-2003-M0001292
Synopsis: Saddam Hussein addressing high ranking officers and talking about the treason of Hussein Kamil.

ISGQ-2003-M0004444
Synopsis: This audio file contains a meeting between Saddam Hussein and the Revolutionary Command Council about the inspection operations which are to be conducted by the United Nations (UN).

ISGQ-2003-M0004667
Synopsis: This undated media file contains 62 minutes and 36 seconds of audio recorded tape, of President Saddam Hussein's meeting with high ranking Iraqi officials, discussing Ikius Report in the Security Council regarding the Iraqi Biological File.

ISGQ-2003-M0005544
Synopsis: Saddam Hussein meeting with the Ba'ath Party National Command and the State Command, on the Oil for Food program, good-neighbor policies, and possibly Iraqi oil export through a Turkish pipeline.

ISGZ-2004-009247
Synopsis: Iraqi effort to cooperate with Saudi opposition groups and individuals in an effort by Iraq to work against Saudi Arabia

ISGZ-2004-028947
Synopsis: A memo from the IIS to hide info from UN inspection team.

ISGZ-2004-031613
Synopsis: IIS report on Kurdish activities, mention of Kurdish reporting on Al Qaida, reference to Al Qaida presence in Salman Pak.

IZSP-2003-00300856
Synopsis: Iraqi Minister of Defense calls for an investigation into why documents of a WMD nature were found by an inspection team.+
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601612/posts

Small Minded Liberal: Doing the predictable leftist crap. Pulling a feeling out or your ass and presenting it as fact. Big city? What's that suppose to mean? That somehow you've got more info than your small town fellow travellers? And if you mean Toronto by 'big city' - there are plenty of us Conservatives who were born here to call you out. Pathetic little slug.

Alberta Girl,

Don't blame the MSM for the fact that the Iraq War has gone down the shitter. Everyone not associated wiuth the far Right knew it was going to go South a long time ago. Instead look at your own Conservative philosophy and see if you can figure out why it steered you wrong.

By the way, you might find the posts on Western Seperatism at my Blog especially interesting. One is entitled "is Western Seperatism an Ethnic Issue?"

Isn't it interesting how the leftist trolls only want to politically feed on the hostage's misfortune but when they have a stroke of grace/good luck not a word of elation or empathy....just more hollow partisan venom....you guys need a serious personal catharsis.

BCL:
If they were not released, merely left behind when their captors left, is it no less risky for troops to walk in and expect there to be no traps left? They could have left 3 bodies and a number of explosives rigged to wait for a rescue mission, and it wouldn't have been known until after the loss. It would have to have been "a carefully planned military operation", whether or not they knew the militants had pulled out. In a place like Iraq, it is the naive ones who die needlessly

This is quite funny.

From the CPT news release;

"We believe that the illegal occupation of Iraq by Multinational Forces is the root cause of the insecurity which led to this kidnapping..."

It couldn't be because they put themselves in a position to be kidnapped?

Typical leftist disavowal of any responsibility. They act like children.

Next time the official response should be "keep them."

Computer geeks & etc. Check this out?

Link says: Embassy of Canada

Goes here:
http://www.sabawoon.com/newsnew/miniheadlines.asp?dismode=article&artid=28889

There is something afoot/wrong/disinformation here? +

Mission to Southern Afghanistan: A Tale of Two Countries

Embassy of Canada

^ | March 22, 2006

Posted on 03/23/2006 6:23:18 AM PST by robowombat

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601581/posts

Just wondering, if we return them to the jihadis in original condition, is it too late to get our deposit back?

On ethe mytelus.com webpage, in their news sysnopsis, they report that the RCMP might have been involved. HUH? I'm confused. What the hell are the RCMP doing in Iraq?

my my BCL what did you put in your prune juice today ? idiot.

Andy Barrie on the CBC Toronto mornig show said something like: "The kidnappers were nowhere to be found. Perhaps the rescuers just decided to let them go...good riddance, no need to inflame the situation and *cause more bloodshed*!!!" (paraphrasing) Unbelievable. These are murderers that Barrie is talking about, yet he advocates for letting them go in order to *avoid more bloodshed*

Infidel:the word is murdered not martyred.

Perhaps the kidnappers left in disgust.

It is the soldier who gives you freedom
It is the soldier who gives you free speach
It is the soldier who is the peacekeeper/peacemaker
It is the soldier who represents his/her country with dignity
It is the soldier who receives criticism from his/her citizens
It is the soldier who carries on regaldless of the lack of support from his/her citizens

Freedom is not free
Soldiers work on and sometimes they pay with their lives to give you freedom.

Maybe the FREED hostages will be willing to take Abjul Rahman's place in Afghanistan?

However it was that they are free again, I'm just glad that they are. Watching Canada AM this morning I damn near threw my coffee cup at the TV! That CTV idiot, bob fife, was just going on and on and strongly emphasizing the fact that NO ONE from the PMO had issued a statement about the incident until "hours and hours" after the freedom! My understanding is that they were freed at about 5:00 AM, Ottawa time. Does that idiot fife expect someone to be there at that hour and have all the facts???!! About something that JUST happened??! I always knew that cbc was a LIEberal hack job but now I see that ctv is as well! Global's kevin newman proved himself to be a weasel so we have no MSM to get honest reporting from! Why don't these idiots just stick to REPORTING the news rather than trying to CREATE it?? Like their "opinion" counts for anything or is worth something! They've never been right yet and have proved over and over that collectively they can't come up with the mind of a three year old. Why do MSM keep "reporters"{?} whose opinions don't amount to a pinch of coon shit?!
Glad the remaining three, former hostages, are free and OK.

The truly ironic thing is that the rescuers are more righteous than those that claim to be doing G-ds work. To do good for goods sake without bragging or even hope for reward is a truly righteous act. That describes the rescuers.

To lie about how things happen is to bear false witness. That's CPT.

BTW - bigciylib is once again full of it. Time and time again we have seen that the hostage takers do not stay with their hostages.

The rescuers found out about the location from a captured hostage taker who told them where the hostages were.

It will take anyone who wants to know the truth mere minutes to google both my assertations and know they are true.

“We pray that Christians throughout the world will, in the same spirit, call for justice and for respect for the human rights of the thousands of Iraqis who are being detained illegally by the U.S. and British forces occupying Iraq."

And what spirit would that be? I don't feel a whole lotta Christian love here, rather disdain for those who are laying down their lives over there, as in..."We believe that the illegal occupation of Iraq by Multinational Forces is the root cause of the insecurity which led to this kidnapping and so much pain and suffering in Iraq. The occupation must end."

Further, "detained illegally"? That's your opinion...your misguided opinion.

"We renew our commitment to work for an end to the war and the occupation of Iraq as a way to continue the witness of Tom Fox. We trust in God’s compassionate love to show us the way.

“Living through the many emotions of this day, we remain committed to the words of Jim Loney, who wrote:

"With God’s abiding kindness, we will love even our enemies.
With the love of Christ, we will resist all evil.
With God’s unending faithfulness, we will work to build the beloved community."

Christianese for death to the Americans and their allies.
God bless & help us all.

With no kidnappers to be found one may wonder if there was really any kidnapping done. When Kidnappers and the kidnapped are striving for the same thing one has to wonder.
......When the kidnappers demanded the release of Iraqi insurgents the Iraqi government should have said that if the kidnapped were not released by such and such a date the people the kidnappers wanted released would be executed and fed to sows.

Thats the story for now, dear Defense Guy. Will see what comes out in a couple of days. I suspect the Coalition is doing a Jessica lynch thing here. We shall see. Why else would the kidnappers be gone?

With the lack of respect given the US and others for their release, the next time their stupid actions get them kidnapped, forget them and leave them there. I think the kidnappers finally realized that these cdns were so stupid they were not worth keeping. I am very surprised that the victims allowed themselves to be seen by the US and other troops. Makes me wonder if they were ever really kidnapped, and didn't plan this escapade all by themselves and paid the kidnappers to take care of them for a few months. When they ran out of money, the kidnappers said, so long, it's been fun to know you. If BCL can conjur up a conspiracy, why can't I.

I wouldn't give this troll the time of day.

Don't forget, there are no individuals in their world. Just the names (and skin color and gender) change. He could be Jose for all we know.

Why else would the kidnappers be gone?

This is not the first time this has happened. In fact this is right out of the ME handbook for kidnapping. If you don't stay with your hostages, you can't be caught should those that are looking for them find them.

Others have actually escaped because they were not being guarded.

Tie em up, leave em, and return every once in a while to feed and water em. Standard stuff in the kidnap biz.

Also, would it kill you to realize that the folks who are in the military are not the monsters you seem to want to paint them as? That in this instance it is a certainty that they are the white hats and the kidnappers are the bad guys.

Don't know how they came up with the Christaim Peacemaker team name . . . not very accurate.

Should be "sociliast crybaby pantywaist's with excessive levels of moral indignation and self importance.

Haven't lost or wasted a minute of sleep over these whackjobs. They probably get their their media glad handing coaching froma a mega limelight lover like Svend Robinson. They do love to see themselves on TV, hear themselves talk a lot say a little.

BCL is a loser. He makes Robert Mclelland look important!

Went over to his blog and he seems to put a lot of time into his postings (based only on a visual appraisal because I would not waste my time reading them). He struck it rich with one post when it generated 5 comments (at least two of which were probably responses from him). Most postings receive no comments.

It is highly likely that the captors had fled, leaving their captives behind. It still took brave men and women to go in there with the threat of a trap to bring them back out. Do you think that the Forces even considered passing the location onto CPT personnel as they are the ones that should have taken on the deserved rescue-risk...not bloody likely. The Forces sucked it up and took that risk so that the captives could live to whine and complain another day.

BCL...go back into your hole!!

Didn't say they were monsters, Defense guy. They are mostly idealistic young men being dragged through the muck by the dirty old men running the war.

Again, we shall see in a couple of days.

And not a word of thanks to those who rescued them...

Also, the BS about the 'illegal occupation': I guess it's more Christian to sit back and watch a nation be destroyed by the likes of Saddam and his gang...absolute rubbish! These weirdos are fifth columnists, without a doubt!

No more money time or risk put into rescuing suckers like these!

"They went, motivated by a passion for justice and peace to live out a nonviolent alternative in a nation wracked by armed conflict."

Then of course, our nonviolent fantasy world collapsed when violent pyscopaths offed our American buddy for being American, so we naturally are forced to shit on America and embrace the headhackers.

There is a huge flood and a CPT member climbs up on his roof to evade the rising flood waters .
Soon a giant amphibious truck appears with the local rescue forces.
The CPT member calls out "I'll put my faith in the Lord and pass on your rescue"
The truck drives off.

The waters rise and the CPT member climbs higher on the roof.
A boat comes motoring up and the volunteer rescue brigade places a ladder for the stranded.
"No Thanks I'll put my trust in the Lord to protect and save me.
The boat leaves to rescue the willing.
The waters rise and strand the CPT member on only his chimney top.

Just then a helicopter appears out of nowhere and lowers a rope ladder.

The CPT member yells up "No thank you, I'll place my trust in the Lord to watch over me.
The helicopter flies off to continue rescueing others.

The waters rise and kill the CPT member.

At the gates of St Peter the stunned CPT member can hardly believe he is there.
"I trusted the Lord to rescue me and keep me out of harms way.
"Why did he abandon me ?" he asked St. Peter.

"What,... he sent a big truck, and then a boat..."

Let us pray for Osama Who?

Psst: Ex-ArchBishop Tutu is spraying. Say, Amen, Desi.

BTW, was it Archbishop, er ex, Tutu who said that the only crook on his staff was Canon Black? +

Osama a child of God: Desmond Tutu
Canada Free Press ^ | March 23, 2006 | Judi McLeod

Posted on 03/23/2006 6:28:31 AM PST by veronica

The former Archbishop of Cape Town and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Desmond Tutu sees Osama bin Laden as just another member of “God's family”.

That's what Archbishop Tutu told the World Council of Churches (WCC) recently, but only after he called for the closure of the detention centre at Cuba's Guantanamo Bay.

Wide sweeping in naming family members on God's behalf, he threw President George W. Bush into the familial mix.

“God's family,” according to Archbishop Desmond Tutu includes, “Bush, bin Laden, all belong, gay, lesbian, so-called straight-all belong and are loved, are precious.”

“Thou shall not kill,” seems to have flown out the window as far as this Anglican leader is concerned.

“A united church is no optional extra,” Archbishop Tutu said in a barn-burning speech to the WCC 9th Assembly in Porto Alegre. “It is indispensable for the salvation of God's world.”

All belong to one family, he said: “Jesus was quite serious when he said that God was our father, that we belonged to one family, because in this family all, not some, are insiders.”

Expanding on his beliefs to journalists after the speech, he said that Christians “did not have to feel insecure in the face of people from other faiths”. He had brought up gay and lesbian people, he said, because “I would not be able to keep quiet and see people penalized for something about which they could do nothing.”

Much of the blame for the suffering of the Zimbabwe people belongs to Tutu, for he strongly promoted Robert Mugabe. +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601587/posts

Thanks for the chuckle, richfisher. *grin*

I am thankful that the hostages were "retrieved" and thankful to the various military personnel who "released" them. In Arizona, they have a "Stupid Law" where, when someone does something stupid, they have to pay for the rescue. As someone said here, they should pay for their rescue.

Ian H, re: "What is active peacemaking?"

It's sort of like painting a big bright bullseye on your bare bottom, and then mooning everybody on the streets of Baghdad. :))

Sorry for changing the subject, but according to ABC news, via the recently released Saddam documents, it is appears that Saddam and OBL had a relationship:

"A newly released pre-war Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein's government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995 after approval by Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested "carrying out joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam's presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995 and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open (in the future) based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

The documents can be found here:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm

How long did will it take for the Bush bashers to internalize this developement?

ABC also says of this particular document:

"The document does not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship."

The others mentioned in the story are of even more dubious origon.

Sorry, Saddam still had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush still lied. The Right was still played for suckers.

Reading this post was a great way to start the morning.

Then the wee fellow toddled through with his diaper loaded. One whiff of him and it was time to get past the feel good, right to the think good.

1. Canada is finally there with our allies helping with freedom and security.

2. The battle for freedom will be won in The West by marginalizing the self loathing lefties, who have been so dominant for the last 40 years.

3. The Islamic world will have to reform itself, which will only happen if they see that The West cannot and will not be defeated.

4. Take pride in Western Culture. It has produced the greatest level of freedom and prosperity that has ever been know to man.

"The effort to spin this into a great Victory for the glorious Conquerer is already starting to come undone..." - Big City Lib

"BCL - got any links to back up what you assert?"
- me (Gord Tulk)

"Gord, its a prediction..." - Big City Lib

So the news report is "Spin" and your "prediction" isn't?

Such hubric polemic greatly hurts your credibility as a commenter.

Dear Gord,

Predictions come true or they don't. We'll see in a day or two. Just remember how many times Conservatives have been suckered during this war. From the justification of the War itself to Jessica Lynch to the implanted "good news" news-stories to the fake letters from fake troops complaining about negative reporting to God know what else.

"Didn't say they were monsters, Defense guy. They are mostly idealistic young men being dragged through the muck by the dirty old men running the war."

I hope you don't make a habit of eating anything as stale and out of date as your rhetoric, BCL - this one was old when they signed the Armistice.

In the interest of fairness, Kathy Shaidle's quote isn't quite right. At least according to the article she references at:

http://tinyurl.com/pw9ld

It should read "He said the militants holding the hostages must have seen they are people of great faith".

Doesn't make me like the response by these radicals to the bravery of the rescuers any better. Just thought you might like to correct the record.

I suspect the kidsnappers bugged out when they knew their cover was blown - either that, or they found out no one was going to ransom the scum. Number me in the toss them back crowd.

BCL seems to be one of those people my father would describe as "having bone & dandruff as the substance of most consequence between their ears".

A quote from the Christian Peacemaker Team spokesperson, from an article at the CBC website:

"..."They knew that their only protection was in the power of the love of God and of their Iraqi and international co-workers."

It seems to me that the power of the love of God was made manifest by the good men of those Armed Forces who risked their lives to save them.

I too am a Christian. But that's irrelevant to the fact that if a stranger to me were to risk his life to save mine, with no thought of any reward, common decency would require me to acknowledge that and thank him.

That the CPT didn't say one word of thanks about those brave soldiers, rather using the opportunity to attack them as criminals, is truly beyond ungraciousness, to the point of vulgarity.

The CPT et al should be reading an amzing series of articles

The Jihadis and their alternatives
J. R. Dunn today completes his three part series on Jihadi strategic alternatives. Part 1 and Part 2 remain available in our archives, as will Part 3.

http://www.americanthinker.com/index.php

BCL

If being suckered leads to the freeing of tens of millions of my fellow human beings from tyrannical despotic governments who use and abuse them as their whims dictate, then sign me up for being suckered every day until the day I die.

Dave quoting the cbc:

"They knew that their only protection was in the power of the love of God and of their Iraqi and international co-workers."

I guess god didn't love Tom Fox enough.

"Isn't it interesting how the leftist trolls only want to politically feed on the hostage's misfortune but when they have a stroke of grace/good luck not a word of elation or empathy....just more hollow partisan venom....you guys need a serious personal catharsis.

Posted by wlyonmackenzie at March 23, 2006 10:27 AM "

More like a slap up side the head if you ask me.
NOT a mention of the poor American who lost his life in this misguided attempt at placating evil and murderous intentions. We cannot and should not placate these vermin. We need to kill them.
It is dangerous in the extreme to entertain anything they say or do. We must not tolerate any of these manouevers for we do so at our very peril.
Good for the Special Forces who freed these men. God Bless them.
As for their ungratefulness in their release , well that just speaks for itself, now doesn't it!!

Okay, I'm sorry. I am making outrageous statements so that people will visit my blog. You guessed it.. I work for the CBC

I propose we coin a neologism to describe the behaviour of CPT, and other pacifist types:

"Pre-emptive Stockholm Syndrome"

Islam: The religion of the sword.

Inside the belly of the beast. +

Danish Imam Caught Making Death Threat on Hidden Camera

Agora has good coverage of this astounding breaking news from Denmark: Danish Imam Ahmed Akkari: Kill Naser Khader.

Imam Ahmed Akkari has issued death threats against Naser Khader of the Social Liberals. Naser Khader founded the organisation “Democratic Moslems” in February, as an organisation for moderate, Democracy-minded Moslems to join. See this article for biography and background on the enmity between Naser Khader and the Imams in Denmark.

Today Jyllands-Posten reports that Imam Ahmed Akkari was recorded on a hidden camera by journalist Mohamed Sifaoui of the French TV-Station France 2 which will show a documentary tonight detailing the doings of the Danish Imams. The documentary also reveals that the Danish Imams have been using the affair as a lever to go against their political opponents in Denmark.

Ahmed Akkari is quoted as saying:

If [Naser Khader] becomes the Minister of Foreigners or Integration, why don’t we send out two guys to blow up him and his ministry?

The Danish reaction to this has been consternation and revulsion.

Peter Skaarup of the Danish People’s Party:

It’s pure threats and it only goes to show how crazy these Imams have been acting. I will at once ask the Minister what punishment can be given for making such statements and whether it is a punishable offense.

Jens Rohde of the Liberals:

This is certainly very disturbing and it shows what we’re up against. That’s also why I am worried about what is happening at that conference in Bahrain which Ahmed Akkari is a delegate to.

Ahmed Akkari denies:

I’ve never said anything like that about Naser Khader, but they are welcome to try and prove it.

More at Viking Observer: Caught on tape.

Also see Sugiero: Danish Imams On Hidden Camera: Revealed.
07:49 AM PST
via LGF + more

From Agora (ht: Uriasposten): The programme will be sent tonight 8.50 on France 2 in the series of programmes known as Envoye-Special (Trans: Special Correspondents). See introduction to the programme here (update 4).

****

"...blow up both him and the ministry".

This is terrorism so, please, do not call danes racists for opposing radical imams.

I´m astonished...

Let me ask again: What does the Qu´ran say about punishment for lying, misleading and encouraging to violence?

****

BACKGROUND: Mohamed Sifaoui is an Algerian Muslim journalist who became incensed by the war of terror waged by Islamic fundamentalists against the Algerian people. Not a few of his friends, relatives and colleagues perished at their hands, and before leaving for Paris he himself was nearly killed in an attack on his newspaper.

The combination of cowardice and indulgence shown to the terrorists by bien pensant opinion in France heightened his disgust. To expose the truth he decided to pose as a terrorist sympathiser, and his book is a diary of the three months he spent infiltrating a Parisian cell of al-Qa'eda under an assumed name.

The portraits he provides are not of the suicide bombers or gunmen, but of the recruiters, brain-washers and organisers behind them, yet the book conveys a convincing picture of the terrorist milieu. And a dismal picture it is. The members of the network emerge as a bunch of inadequates and infantile fanatics, although they are not the less fearsome for that.

There is a grim irony in the fact that, though Sifaoui is maddened by French anxiety to excuse terrorism, it is Britain that he sees as the real "sanctuary for hard-core Islamism". "Don't forget that all the brains are here in London", a British fundamentalist tells him. Somehow it is strange to think of the sinister clown Abu Hamza being revered in Islamist circles in Paris.

He published the book "Inside Al Qaeda: How I Infiltrated the World's Deadliest Terrorist Organisation" August 23 2003. +
http://sugiero.blogspot.com/2006/03/danish-imams-on-hidden-camera-revealed.html

I completely agree with what so many posters have said - how outrageous it is, that these CPT people didn't have a work of thanks to say to their rescuers - the soldiers of the US, UK and Iraq. Not one word of thanks - merely denigration of them as 'illegal occupiers'.

The war in Iraq is not illegal. No-one is occupying Iraq. Iraq has been freed of a tyrannical dictator and has elected its own government. And these smug, ignorant individuals go over there full of their own sanctimonious nonsense - when they had done nothing about Hussein's regime - get kidnapped by criminals, and, when rescued, say not one word of thanks.

BCL- you are wrong. Iraq is free and moving out of an authoritarian tyranny, to democracy. You, of course, wish them the opposite. It won't happen; they want to succeed, even if you don't want them to.

"...fake letters from fake troops complaining about negative reporting to God know what else."

Once again - proof?

OK! Please stop arguing with BCL! Arguing with a fool will only make you look like a fool too. What are you going to do, change his mind? Convert him to the right?

Ignore his blithering responses and just continue posting intelligence.

If Liberalism is a mental disorder then don't beat up the mental patient. Gently guide him so he doesn't hurt himself or others and occasionally wipe the drool from his chin

BCL

Okay okay, we get it! You have a blog! We get it. How very nice for you. No need to keep reminding us.

Karl

"In reaction Kember's friend, Bruce Kent (...) said the miltants holding the hostages 'must have been people of great faith.'"

Not the rescuers, mind -- the kidnappers! You can't make this crap up! This is yer morally unmoored "progressive" Christianity, folks.

Kate, check out this link. Neither rescuers nor kidnappers--the reference is to the hostages themselves. Shaidle can "make this crap up," if she likes, but there's no need to compound the felony.

I'm glad they got out safely. I heard one of the spokespeople for their organization on The Current this morning, and (unless my ears deceived me), thanks were being offered to the rescuers.

Hypocrites the lot of them. Just using the Gospels as cover for an anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-freemarket agenda. Total frauds.

I am so dissappointed to see so many fall into an easily recognised troll's trap!

Anyways,I prefer to comment on the following:

"For all the lip-service paid to the phrase 'love our enemies',one might have thought there would be a little bit of that Christian generosity extended to the occupiers who put their asses on the line to free them"

I find "hypocracy" by Christians in this country is not at all rare.I have expressed some of my beliefs on religion in general on other threads on this site and,I believe,done it with respect to others...How was I treated in return?
How about hurling insults at me,then,get this, after reading their insults,I have to read a "sales pitch".
Hey,if you doubt me,try it yourself...and,in fairness,I did receive one apology.

It sounds like CPT also needs to learn to show some respect for others views.Is it not similar(but obviously more extreme)behavior by another religion that has created this mess in the first place?

rq: too fickin' funny, my friend!

DrDawg,

I listened to the The Current this morning too (Bless me Father for I have sinned...). I must have missed 'the' word rescue because all I heard was released and by all of the guests. It was stated so often that I began to think that they were actually released. And to add to the quality of the debate, Tom Scmidthead used his speaking time for an anti-Catholic rant. By the end of the program I wished that the hostages had been beheaded. Early this afternoon, I was still outraged by the interviews and filed a complaint with the CBC.

Hey, I've got an idea! Why don't the nations of the world designated one area on earth where everyone that whants to blow themselves and others up, where those that want to murder and plunder, where those that feel that might is right, and all those that feel there is no evil in this world, that feel they are able without any undue pressure or force bring about change for the good, where all those who claim love concurs all, and who are bent on saving everyone from themseves, all can go there and express themselves without restriction or moderation and leave the rest of us alone.
What, you say we have a place like that already? And it's called the Middle East?

Dawg, your correction is duly noted. Or should I say theirs. When I posted that story this morning, it read the way I initially said it did. I copied and pasted it from their site.

So they changed it, I'm glad to see that and am happy to be corrected.

They are all still twits, however.

I heard the spokesman for the group on the radio and heard no thanks for the rescuers. I stand by that.

I meant to add just then that my original post has been updated to reflect this wording.

Islam: The religion of chemical weapons and the sword. +

Saddam Regime Document: Saddam Ordered The Use of Chemical Weapons in Northern Iraq (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website about PreWar Iraq docments ^ | March 23 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 03/23/2006 11:38:46 AM PST by jveritas

Document CMPC 2004-002219 has many letters that discuss the order of Saddam Hussein to use Chemical Weapons in Northern Iraq against who they call agents of Iran, and they are mainly Kurds followers of Massoud Al Barazani, Saddam regime call them “The Destroyers”, but of course many civilian died in these Chemical attacks because Chemical weapons deadly effects spread much larger than the area where it hit. Page 1 is a letter dated April/8/1987 talks about the final decision to hit the Kurds with Special Ammunition (Chemical Weapons). Then page 4 and 5 are from a letter dated a week earlier March /31/1987 were the Saddam Intelligence are discussing the way to conduct the strike with Chemical Weapons and in this letter they were very clear about the meaning of Special Ammunition where they identified it as MUSTARD AGENT where it is called in letter as “AA’MEL AL KHARDAL” where AA”MEL =AGENT (chemical agent that is), and “AL KHARDAL” = MUSTARD, and this letter mentions another chemical agent called in Arabic as “ AA”MEL AL ZAYEN” i.e. “ AL ZAYEN AGENT”, I need to find out what is the meaning of “AL ZAYEN” may be it is nerve agent or blistering agent, it an Arabic chemical word that I need to find out what it means..

Translation of Page 1

In the Name of God the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate ... + more
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601810/posts

Never argue with an idiot - they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Cal
I don't care too much for lefties either.

But don't you think that if they were all margarinized it would be the dairy farmers that had to pay the price?

St. John: Priceless! Mental images of drooling lefies in longsleeved white coats brings me to tears of laughter. Thanks.

Wretchard:

Excerpt:
The widow's mite
...

The Washington Post reported shortly after CPT hostage Tom Fox was killed:

Members of the Langley Hill Friends Meeting, a peace group in northern Virginia to which Fox belonged, read a statement he co-wrote in October 2004 in which he shunned violence, even to rescue him should he ever be kidnapped. Members of the Langley Hill Friends Meeting, a peace group in northern Virginia to which Fox belonged, read a statement he co-wrote in October 2004 in which he shunned violence, even to rescue him should he ever be kidnapped. "We reject violence to punish anyone who harms us," said Doug Smith, quoting Fox, in a statement read to reporters at the group's headquarters in McLean, Virginia.

If I have it aright, the CPT would not on principle -- if the word can be perverted thus -- have placed a call, if they could, to save Tom Fox as he was being tortured to death because it might bring Multinational Forces rushing to violent rescue, an act which would violate their sense of ethics. Yet they saw no contradiction in precipitating this absurd situation by their intentional presence in Iraq and by trailing their coat in the most dangerous neighborhoods; nor did they think it ethically consistent to refrain from telling the Press of the kidnapping though they must have known efforts to rescue them would be made, despite their well-publicized refusals. Their is nothing more suspicious than false modesty performed conspicuously upon a stage.

As for myself, the Christian Peacemaker Teams remind me of nothing so much as Fred Phelps. I think that if ever there were an instance of latter-day blasphemy it must be in the CPT's hideous claim that their "only protection was in the power of the love of God and of their Iraqi and international co-workers". Nothing seems further than the truth. They've endangered themselves, the lives of innocent Iraqis and those who hazarded themselves to find and rescue them for the sake of their own self-righteous theater. Vanity, not love is their watchword. Fortune and men's eyes and not God is who they worship.

posted by wretchard at 3:04 PM +
http://www.fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/

How to spot a baby conservative:

"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."

confident kids turned out liberal

To which I can only add:

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/jonahgoldberg/2006/03/22/190779.html

The funniest thing is that they actually believe this crap. Confident people don't need others to beat up on their intellectual opponents, legislate to keep others from 'offending' them. The arrogance is unbelievable.

I think it's called 'cognitive dissonance' or 'head in assedness'.

As far as these CPT 'heroes'... why the hell are we wasting valuable resources on these suicidal idiots? Aren't there real missions to do? I think a lot of people would have been pissed off if anything had gone wrong. Thank God nothing did. You're welcome, jackasses.

Socialist mantra:
"If I believe it's true, reality will fall in line."

Steve

At least there was some good news from Iraq.

steve in bc,

"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."

Too funny. Are you saying the right kids reached this level of maturity in nursery school (and out grew it) at least a decade before the left kids did (and never out grow it)?

Steve in BC...Good news from Iraq?
What that the CPT hostages (that should never have been in Iraq in the first place) were so ungrateful they couldn't manage a public thank you to military people that rescued them?

“We pray that Christians throughout the world will, in the same spirit, call for justice and for respect for the human rights of the thousands of Iraqis who are being detained illegally by the U.S. and British forces occupying Iraq."

-simply put, these idiots should not have been rescued, they should have been left to rot. We wasted valuable time, effort and resources to help these ungrateful hypocrites, who are no more than collaborators with terrorists. I'm sorry that we put lives on the line to repatriate these losers.

This is the correspondence I've just e-mailed to the CPT outfit:

I am a Canadian Christian who gives thanks to God for the safety of your CPT brothers who are returning home--and those who RESCUED them.

I believe your official statement is both naive and blasphemous: At the least, it is astonishingly uncharitable. You thank Muslims for their support. Didn't any Christians support you? You condemn violence. What about Saddam Hussein's brutalizing of his own people? What about 9/11? What about suicide bombers?

Where are your thanks for the bravery of your rescuers—let alone your rescuers at all? Where are your thanks for the fact that they were willing to lay down their lives for your confreres? "Greater love hath no man than this, That a man laid down his life for his friends." (John 15:13)

I believe you are hypocrites: You deny love or any kind of fair recognition to those who have proven themselves to be your friends. You lavish saccharine on those who have, time and time again, used the utmost violence to achieve their ends.

You may have good intentions--isn't the road to hell paved by these?--but your words are painfully duplicitous. Kyrie eleison.

lookout, I too have been disgusted all day at the lack of appreciation exhibited by CPT. I just visited their website and see that at 9pm ET ( a full 18 hours after being notified of the rescue of their members) the have posted an "addenda" to their press release. I guess they got the message from you and others loud and clear:

23 March 2006, 9 p.m. ET
We have been so overwhelmed and overjoyed to have Jim, Harmeet and Norman freed, that we have not adequately thanked the people involved with freeing them, nor remembered those still in captivity. So we offer these paragraphs as the first of several addenda:
We are grateful to the soldiers who risked their lives to free Jim, Norman and Harmeet. As peacemakers who hold firm to our commitment to nonviolence, we are also deeply grateful that they fired no shots to free our colleagues. We are thankful to all the people who gave of themselves sacrificially to free Jim, Norman, Harmeet and Tom over the last four months, and those supporters who prayed and wept for our brothers in captivity, for their loved ones and for us, their co-workers.
We will continue to lift Jill Carroll up in our prayers for her safe return. In addition, we will continue to advocate for the human rights of Iraqi detainees and assert their right to due process in a just legal system.

Still munching on those magic mushrooms, eh Steve?

Hey Rick, wonder why steve in bc didnt link to the full column?? Isn't that just like a liberal to leave out the parts that don't suit his arguments??

I haven't heard that the hostages were ungrateful. There was a statement from the organization head.

Maybe, we'll hear that from the men themselves.

Ural...I took it as a public service for parents, so if they identified early conservative whining in their babies, we might have a chance at wiping the right out in a generation.

Thanks, sooz, for that info.

Re the CTP's apparent "conversion": I'd say they've given way too little much too late. If they had to be outed before thanking their rescuers and Christian/Western supporters and intercessors, shame on them.

Well, as of 9:00 pm my conspiracy theory is till in play. There is a major discrepancy between the words of British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who claimed the "rescue" involved "weeks and weeks of very careful work by military and coalition personnel in Iraq and many civilians as well", and U.S. military spokesman Rick Lynch, who said the whole job was done up in three hours.

Easter Bunny is held hostage in Minnsoda.

Send in a CPT for to rescue him.

"Rescue the perishing, duty demands it;
Strength for thy labor the Lord will provide;
Back to the narrow way patiently win them;
Tell the poor wand’rer a Savior has died."
(H/T Fannie Crosbie) +

St. Paul Minnesota Officials Ban Easter Bunny

St. Paul's human rights director, Tyrone Terrill, asked that the decorations be removed, saying they could be offensive to non-Christians. +
via nealenews.com

INfo phoned in at 5am.. prisoners picked up at 8am. A three hour plan.

I like this blogsite... Liberals are the required foil to right leaning argument.

Thing is, whether everything is going well or not in Iraq, we simply can not afford to back off, as the Soviets did. They had to deal with hundreds shot in the back in the swarming of a high school. Their open wound continues in Chechnya.

There are large populations of peace loving Muslims in Europe, Africa, Asia and even North America.

In Indonesia alone there are 220 million. There is a small group of fundamentalist Jihadists there. Pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan would give great incentive to leaders of *black headbands* in many countries, not the least of those being Iran who supports people like Muqtada Al-Sadr and his black head-bands snatching ransom victims in Basra and Iraq.

Do you require any clearer picture of why keeping pressure on the Jihadists is not a question open to debate? TG
10words

Make Iraq...Bahgdad.. auto mode is tricky.

The Indy 500 runs in less than 3 hours also - start to checkered flag. I think that there might be a conspiracy here also - they "claim" there is a lot of "prep" before the race ... bullshit ... right BCL?

I have nothing to back this idea up... nothing.

Is there any talk elsewhere of the Christian Peacemaker Teams willfully allowing themselves to be kidnapped again, in order to prove their case that these people are an honourable adversary?
...a simple "no" will do, I'm not trying to goad them into taking their stupidity to another level...

marc in calgary,

Who knows? Rational, intelligent thought and actions has limits - stupid doesn't. Also, there is no shortage of people pushing the envelope on known stupidity ... they attack, with vigour, even common sense.

Actually right from the beginning I believed the two Canadians would be released and the American and Englishman killed, and I thought this would happen regardless of whether demands were met or not. Fortunately I was wrong, maybe even the insurgents respect old age.

These same Humanitarian Liberal Terrorists tortured and brutally murdered their supposed friend, co-worker and hero Tom Fox.

Two very short weeks ago, Tom Fox was their martyr. Now, the people that kidnapped, tortured, and killed him are just innocent, humanitarian "freedom" fighters.

How does one follow this logic? Was the murder of Tom Fox just a youthful indiscretion on the part of innocent, humanitarian, professional terrorists? Was the terrorist attack on Tom Fox deserved because he was an American? Who are these people that continue to ally themselves with these good-hearted, liberal terrorists?

That these hostages are free tonight is some good news. My first reaction, upon reading the news this morning, was to feel gratitude for the American and British soldiers involved in the operation.

Whether it was a rescue or not doesn't matter so much. These men are going home to their families. And one more man isn't. It just stinks, left and right and centre...

Tony,
Re: Liberals are the required foil to right leaning argument.

Actually, I get tired of the drivel. I hear it from entertainers, MSM, NDP, 12 years of liberal rule etc etc. Not saying that libs shouldn't be on here but there's more than enough "foil" out there spouting this and spouting it loudly. I enjoy Kate's blog and others like it because there are voices of reason and common sense for a change! Lefties may have points now and then but they're mostly on their heads and just more of the same. I learn much more from people like Maz2, etc.

Also, not all conservative voices share the same opinion on everything. There's enough reasoned "foil" to discuss and debate and learn from without bringing in the same old outdated "socialism rules" routine.

...in other news, Muslim clerics want the guy who converted to Christianity hanged or at the very least torn from limb to limb.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/afghan.christian.ap/index.html

Wonder what these peacenik airheads have to say about that?

Oh, donchalove the picture of the poor guy, looks like a loon...MSM wouldn't do that would they?

At 6:47 am, March 24th, my conspiracy theory still lives!

Some suggestive words from The TO Star concerning the alleged "rescue" of CPTers in Iraq:

"But questions remain about how the rescue unfolded and the level of Canada's involvement. The fact no kidnappers were there when the rescuers arrived gave rise to speculation the men were released as part of a pre-arranged agreement.

[...]

Harper said he had seen no evidence a ransom was paid to secure the hostages' freedom.

"I certainly haven't been told that and everything that has been told to me would suggest the answer is no," he said.

But the Washington-based SITE Institute, which monitors extremists' websites, noticed a posting yesterday on an Arabic website that claimed the Christian Peacemaker Teams had paid a ransom for the release. The group vehemently denied the claim."

So did Jack Straw Lie? Did Stephen Harper? Obviously George Bush did.

BCL - Wow - you must have gone to the charlie Sheen school of conspiracy theories. What about the theory put out by marc that the CPT planned their own kidnapping to call attention to their cause. See we can call come up with theories and we can all (obviously - given the stupidity of some of the 9/11 conspiracies) come up with the "facts" somewhere to sort of back them up!.

Although Marc - when the kidnappings first happened and the deadline for killing them passed and they were still alive, the thought crossed my mind that they were doing this for publicity. After all - if their mission is to make friends with the Afganis against the war - they might have had lots of "friends" to "kidnap" them. However now that Tom Fox was killed - I don't know so will wait for the TRUE FACTS (that's the TRUE facts BCL ) to come out.

Um - that "preview" button is there for a reason! - should have been Iraqi people not Afgani people in my last post.

I'm sure they were "really" kidnapped. I'm not so sure they were "really" rescued. We shall see, as you say.

Alberta Girl, It was a stupid question, not a conspiracy question. I hope they don't return to test the waters.

tomax: "...in other news, Muslim clerics want the guy who converted to Christianity hanged or at the very least torn from limb to limb.
Wonder what these peacenik airheads have to say about that?"

I would say...we should not giving our sons and daughters to die for this. They (Afghanis) are just changing the names of regimes

Canadian peoples resolve will not long stand for this.

I learn much more from people like Maz2, etc.
Posted by Lanny at March 24, 2006 12:30 AM +

One must thank SDA for the opportunity to comment/post here. If the posts are tiresome/OT/ & etc., SDA will advise.

As Wretchard at The Belmont Club has posted, history has become a post-9/11 world. That being said, conservatives face facts, accept them, and live through & beyond them. Left liberals cannot live in a cold, hard world of facts. They remain adrift in a self-made pre-9/11 fantasy world of self-indulgence, narcissism, & denial of facts. The fantasy island world of left liberalism utopianism is a death trap.

One individual, one conservative voice, armed with facts, speaking with one word, "Stop", throws the left liberal collective march into disorder, confusion, & despair.

Speak, conservatives: the magic words are: Stop; you do not speak for me. One such voice is Mark Steyn. +

A bridge in Brooklyn

One of the more interesting articles today is from Mark Steyn who reminds those who object to toppling Saddam Hussein just how much they hated containing him. Bottling up Saddam Hussein required parking most of the carrier fleet in the Persian Gulf and keeping large ground and air forces on his borders. Steyn writes:

"Your president has won," Jean Chretien told ABC News in early March 2003. So there was no need to have a big ol' war because, with 250,000 American and British troops on his borders, Saddam was "in a box." "He won," said Mr. Chretien of Bush. "He has created a situation where Saddam cannot do anything anymore. He has troops at the door and inspectors on the ground... You're winning it big." That's easy for him to say, and committing other countries' armies to "contain" Iraq is easy for him to do. A quarter million soldiers cannot sit in the sands of Araby twiddling their thumbs indefinitely. "Containment" is not a strategy but the absence of strategy .. +

http://www.fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/

Hey, if 'Christian' peacemakers want to befriend people that saw heads off in the name of their religion that is up to them. And so their good deeds were rewarded with captivity, toture and murder.

There are, in my opinion, less self inflicting ways of helping the enemy see the light.

But when being nice to them doesn't change their hearts, take the daisies out of your gun barrels and exchange them for bullets which provide justice and punishment for inexcusable acts of cowardice and brutality.
Those same bullets are protecting our children and future generations from an enemy that has no boundaries. Only a bullet in the head OR a changed heart can stop this scourge. Appeasing them or leaving them alone just doesn't work.

What the fuck????

I voted NDP. I liked Trudeau and thought Chretien was pretty fun.

Even *I* can be PROUD of JTF-2 and the RCMP for rescuing, or co-rescuing, any kind of hostage at all.

What's wrong with being grateful to and proud of someone doing a risky and heroic deed for someone in danger?

I'm disgusted that CBC keeps calling this a "release" instead of a "rescue", I'm disgusted that BCL needs to constantly call everyone a "sucker" for being excited that Canadian forces may have done some good in the world, I'm disgusted that no one is falling over themselves to say THANK YOU to these soldiers for rescuing some innocent hostages.

THANK YOU, ARMED FORCES, FROM A LEFTIST WHO SUPPORTS MEDICARE AND GAY MARRIAGE AND LEGAL MARIJUANA *AND* THE ARMED FORCES.

What makes people on my side think you have to be Stalin or Hitler to praise the good work of soldiers???

Someone posted that a city has sort of banned Easter as it is or could be offensive to non christians. So, why are there not headlines stating that beheadings are offensive to non muslims and should be stopped. Or, sharia law is offensive to non muslims and should be banned. Reading stories about the atrocities committed by the terrorists is offensive to all non terrorists and must be stopped. Read a story that Fox was not tortured, but killed while attempting to escape. Seems the cpt were surprised to receive a call from PM Steven Harper. Last they heard Martin was PM, and they also supposedley did not know Fox had been killed. I wonder if their refusal to pay tribute to the forces that rescued them means all attempts to free the woman still held, and future hostages will be forgotten and left to rot. And, I also wonder what stupid plan the cpt will come up with next to get publicity. Watch for the books to come out to make them rich. Just saw a before and after pics of the hostages. One was the video of them in captivity, and they looked a little worse for wear, one was much thinner. After 4 months of supposedly horrible treatment, they look very well fed and groomed. Will we ever learn the truth about the whole adventure.

maryT..."Will we ever learn the truth about the whole adventure."

...ducking anticpated barrage of anti-conspiracy postings - someone blogged awhile back that maybe these clowns were not kidnapped by the Islamic's (because they wouldn't hesitate beheading and so on for news casts) but "removed" by some off shoot of the Iraqi army, CIA, etc to shut them up as they were a pain in the arse. Took up resources and strength watching for and over them. - But yes, this doesn't explain Tom Fox's death. (Maybe he knew too much or rifle went off by mistake...) or one of the Iraqi's guarding him got po'd for Allah.

As you said, they look a little too "plump" for hostages, let alone fortunately no one was around. Reminds me of the US soldier gal who was found in the hospital, unguarged also.

Either good negotiations went on in the background, or payment. I think the first one. "We know where they are and who you are. Find something to do at 1PM Saturday or else meet my friend the F18 Hornet..."

unguarged - well gargled...

you know, the Listerine, Scope type stuff...

Forgot to copy and paste into Word to cheque for grammar and speelink mistooks...

You have to love these christian peacemakers,prayer was anwsered and they where released

So my conspiracy theory seems to be panning out! A deal was done between the kidnappers and Coalition forces. From the U.K. Telegraph:

"A deal had been struck with a man detained the previous night who was one of the leaders of the kidnappers. He was allowed a telephone call to warn his henchmen to leave the kidnap house. When the troops moved in and found the prisoners alive, they also let him go as promised."

Lucky you've got BigCityLib around to find out the Truth for you people.

BCL - who the hell cares how the "rescue" was done - the fact is the MSM is once again using "words" like "deal" - yeah - I think if I was threatened with prison or worse I might make a "deal" too - The fact is that it was due to the Coalition forces going out looking for these guys and following up on leads - finding the "leader" of the kidnappers then "offering" him a deal - tell us where they or or we blow up your village. Yeah some "conspiracy"

Alberta Girl,

At the very least it means they let the people who murdered Tom Fox go free. Plus, this one hasn't stopped stinking yet. I suspect we will find that the "detainee" approached Coalition forces with a deal: Get these damn Christians off my hands!

According to that article, BCL appears to be correct. I'm not to proud to admit error. I would love to see a verification of this in another news source.