"They're reaping the seeds they've sown and we're devoting far too many resources to try to save their lame asses. Maybe you idiots will finally wake up and join the war on terror instead of fighting your war against western civilisation."

Here's hoping they pick up their toys & go home.

Getting in the way is the whole point of why Mr. Fox was there. To him it was all he could do.

Terrorists will suffice; the sand-monkey moniker is tasteless and borders on racist.

Tom Fox, while misguided in his selection of organizations to support, put his money where his mouth is so warrants, at least, recognition for the courage of his convictions.

I guess the same could be said for the terrorists.

I don't accept the premise that the problems in Iraq would suddenly be over if the peace activists all left. A few protesters are holding back the largest military in the world along with huge corporations with billions of dollars in government contracts?

I think that the CPT and similar groups keep our eyes on the human costs that are a part of war. Hopefully we will not callously disregard the message.

Sand-monkey does not border on racism. It is racism.

"They're reaping the seeds they've sown and we're devoting far too many resources to try to save their lame asses. Maybe you idiots will finally wake up and join the war on terror instead of fighting your war against western civilisation."

If the US and its torture camps represent western civilisation, I'll give it a pass.

Meshon, why is it the activists only watch & report on the US & UK 'atrocities' yet don't seem concerned about the suicide bombers?

God only knows a man's heart, but my impression from studying God's word for nearly 30 years is that these people are likely not Christian according to a Biblical definition, are ignorant of the Christian's true responsibility to his government, are ignorant of the nature of the Christian's true conflict (we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places)and are part of the problem of left wing apeasement to our enemies, and therefore are not helpful at all.

see "misguided"

ol hoss - did I canonize him? All I have said is that I respect the fact that he was willing to put his life on the line for his convictions, unlike Cindy & others. How kind is that?

They were repeatedly warned not to travel about without protection. Ignoring that falls into the realm of stupidity.

They were repeatedly warned not to travel about without protection. Ignoring that falls into the realm of stupidity.

I agree.

Something I've noticed recently is the trend of previously unknown posters on various blogs showing up and posting very extreme and hateful rhetoric. I don't know if these people actually believe in their rhetoric or if it is an attempt to try and make the blogs look extremist by association of who is posting comments on them. My suspicions point towards the later.

Regarding the CPT, it is unfortunate that they are kidnapped and one murdered (and who knows what the fate of the rest will be), and my thoughts go out to Mr. Fox's family. At the same time, I hope they realized the risks of going over there before they did, and hopefully now they realize the nature of the people we (the West) are dealing with in this new global war.

If we grasp the understanding that all the issues here on earth occupy but an instant in eternity, we will realize that the greatest mission of Christians must be to help others come to an understanding of personal failures and our need to change our internal attitudes and accept the free gift of eternal life offered by Jesus Christ.

I applaud CPT's desire to make a difference to people, but as Christians our highest goal must be to make a difference for eternity, rather than for anything less.

When did this blog turn into a moonbat cave?

If only Canadain troops were on the ground in Baghdad, ready to help.

"we will realize that the greatest mission of Christians must be to help others"
Which is why Hussein's rule had to come to a violent end.

"If the US and its torture camps represent western civilisation, I'll give it a pass."
Abu Ghurab was a torture camp long before the Americans showed up there. In regards to the mass-graves in Iraq... LOONleftICS gave Saddam a "pass" on that one a long time ago.

Note to whiners complaining about the use of the term Sand Monkey: Sand Monkey's are not a race. They are a group. Specifically, they a re a group comprised of Islamofascists otherwise known as terrorists. You politely refer to them as insurgents or freedom fighters.

Now, if any of you folks who wish to complain about the phrase would like to point me in the direction of one of these islamofascist/terrorists, I'd be more than happy to question them on how they feel about it's use. Untill you can point out such an individual, I suggest you kick back, relax and listen to the Sand Monkey Theme Song. A link to it can be found in the referenced post.

Look, "Knight of the Blue...", read the whole post. I commented on our duty as Christians, which is what the CPT claim to be.

We have other duties as citizens of our nation, for one that means to support our government so long as they don't defy God. We Christians love freedom, but for those who are claiming to act as Christians, let's get the priorities straight.

Edwin said:

"If the US and its torture camps represent western civilisation, I'll give it a pass."

Over at lgf are descriptions/links to some statements outlining the unimaginable horrors of the torture treatment to which detainees are subjected, including one poor soul's description of the despicable unhumanities dealt to him (Caution: graphic content). Gee, no wonder they want to decapitate us all:

"Finally, and in all honesty, it's my duty to add that another former detainee, Feroz Abbasi, is not nearly as happy with the treatment that he received. In lengthy handwritten statements, included with the newly-released documents, Mr. Abbasi - who "left Britain to either join the Taliban or fight for Allah in [Indian-occupied] Kashmir", being driven by "pure hate" for Americans - details the extent of the torture to which he was subjected.

The list of abuses (set 5, page 14) makes for unpleasant reading, to say the least - but the whole thing must be included, for the sake of completeness.

During his time in Guantanamo, Mr. Abbasi (writing in the third person) alleges that he was:

subject to [unspecified] "mental stress and pressure"

"willfully misdirected ... to pray north"

deprived of "comfort items"

subjected to an [apparently failed] "attempt to withdraw Qur'an"

able to hear two guards having sex, while
they "assumed he was asleep"

distracted from his prayer by the "sharp intake of breath" of a female MP who'd been "sexually fondled".

offered a plate of pork

the object of a conspiracy "to keep detainee ignorant of detainee's allotted Tuesday recreation"

subjected to a "partially successful" attempt to administer injections "under the guise of immunisation", designed to "unhinge detainee's mental and emotional stability"

While all of these acts are undeniably horrifying, being on a par with the worst excesses of Torquemada, even their totality pales in comparison with the most extreme of the tortures to which Mr. Abbasi was subjected.

Of course, countless abuses have been committed against war prisoners throughout the ages - no one denies that. But, while not downplaying their suffering, it must be admitted that even the most unfortunate of these victims can only breathe a sigh of relief that he was not subject to what Mr. Abbasi was forced to endure when he:

had his peanut butter eaten by a guard "right in front of him"."

O the horror...O the humanity...

(note to self: always avoid coming between a stone-age Islamist barbarian and his peanut butter)

Inescapable is the irony of Mr. Fox being butchered by the very people he was attempting to support...

Abu Ghurab is known as a cozy Hilton hotel amoungst insurgents. At least it is as long as the Americans are running it. The Iraqi government will not run a place that insurgents look forward to visiting.

As for the poor fellow who was killed, I see him as a misguided loon, but not a moonbat.

Regardless of what he was he did not deserve to be tortured and murdered, just because he was American. He was there to help those bastards and for that they killed him.

I hope the Iraqi government finds the scum that killed tom Fox and not the Americans. I do not want them to live their last days with air conditioning and 3 square meals a day. Let hem swelter and starve, then kill kill them. Nicer than Tom got, but still better than they deserve.

The MoonBats are out, Knight, because they think they can garner sympathy for their causes using the death of an individual they're referring to as a martyr. (Check out the latest dribble on babble: http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=008504 )

Remember that these individuals base their thoughts and actions on emotion. And, being malignant narsicists on top of emotional thinkers, they think that we should be thinking, feeling, the same way they do.

Like Cindy Shehan, they're trying to get us to feel their pain...

PastorWally, you should have stopped after the first six words of your post. You may wish to focus your ongoing scriptural studies on biblical accounts of what Jesus said, who He spent most of his time with, and what the government thought of His activities. What these guys were doing was naive but they had the cojones to walk the talk.

One of these has been tortured and murdered. The other three have suffered and may yet die. To paraphrase Pontius Pilate - is that not enough?

(Kate: I think the world of you but "Sand monkey" is not a good thing to see on your site, even in the context of a quote.)

"willfully misdirected ... to pray north"

LOL, the Case of the Disoriented Islamofascist.

What these guys were doing was naive but they had the cojones to walk the talk.

You confuse courage with a fool and their folly.

Richard Evans is an angry man and shouldn't be the first criticizing others for arguing from emotion.

hehe and you're basing that assessment on what exactly Peter? The idea that I think terrorism is a bad thing and that those who practice it should be ridiculed and stigmatized and killed? Hmmm? Or perhaps you think it's because I find it outrageous that folks on the lib-left sympathisize with terrorists maybe? Hmmm? Even if I was angry, would it be wrong to be angry about these things? Hmmm?

No, I don't think you really think I'm angry Peter. I think it's just a convenient cop-out in place of any real argument.

Martyrdom is what it's all about. The 'Peacemaker' organization wants these guys to be martyred and the fascists that they indirectly support are also looking for martyrdom. That's why it's hard for average people to really give a crap about these 'Peacemakers' and their rhetoric. They should all go on martyring each other and let regular people live in peace.

Sand monkey is just as racist a term as sand nigger is. So somebody used it in a racist song, doesn't make it non-racist. Terrorist is the appropriate term. Kate is out of town, and is not responsible for the comments of guest bloggers and commentors.

Mr Fox found out exactly what terrorist are like, up close and personally. That he went there to offer them comfort an support did not matter to the terrorist. They are so blinded by their own racism and dehumanization of people (Does the word infidel ring any bells?), that all they could see was that he was an American. That alone was justification enough to their extremist minds to kill him. I wonder if he reconsidered his notion that Americans were trying to dehumanize the terrorists as they took his life for being an infidel (a dehumanized enemy to Islam).

We conservatives have no problem with Muslims who want to practice their faith in peace, but more importantly, of their own free will. Hey baby, live long and prosper, as a wise screenwriter once wrote.

I personally have a big problem with people claiming to be peace-loving Muslims, but never raising their voices to protest what their Muslim terrorist brothers do in the name of Allah. The killing of Mr Fox could be their rallying point to get their views heard and prove that not all Muslims want to kill every non-Muslim on the planet.

Like most people, I have some regard for the families of these people and their grief. For the hostages, it's trickier. If I didn't respect what they were doing in the first place, how can I respect their sacrifice when their actions get them killed?
As Richard Evans said earlier, it's all about emotion. We live in a culture where we're susposed to respect people simply because they feel something really deeply.
Like most Western lefties, these people were simply trying to cauterize some deeply held guilt.

Bart F,
I would remind you that Jesus said (and I noticed you didn't document your position) to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's. Now I am outraged as well as you that the kidnappers killed Mr. Fox presumably becasue he was an American, nevertheless, I don't see the peaceniks as rendering their home governments what is their due, which is loyal allegiance, nor rendering to God what is his due, which of course is obedience to the Word of God.(see Romans 13, for instance)

Thanks for that Kyla. Are you saying, however, that terrorists are a "race"?

Pastor Wally, are you confusing government with country?
I do "render" my allegiance to Canada. I have nothing to offer imaginary gods or people.

If the US and its torture camps represent western civilisation, I'll give it a pass.--edwin

Easy for you to say comfortably ensconced as you undoubtedly are in your favourite easy chair here in Canada.

I hope you don't take this personally but it would do you the world of good to get up close and personal with the 'other' side of this existential conflict. Of course you probably would then not have any future in which to practise your new-found wisdom, but for a while there you would not be so completely clueless.

I do try to be indulgent but let's be honest here--

What an absolutely STUPID thing to say. Under any circumstances but especially under these.

ps--- The people like Mr.Fox who inject themselves and their ill-considered ideas into situations such as Iraq can only be most charitably described as profoundly delusional . Even now, his 'comrades' cannot or will not call the monsters who butchered him, by their proper name. Turning the other chhek 'may' be somewhat laudible once, but when you bend over and spread em all the time, I suggest that you might well be mistaken.

I personally do not agree with the way the CPT do their work. It is simply not really acceptable to ignore the seriousness of the danger in this country especially when they were advised to only work in areas protected by our troops. To simply ignore this, in the name of Christianity, is not only wrong, it is just plain stupid. I think what they were hoping to accomplish may be considered noble, however, they way they went at this task leads one to shake your head and wonder how dilusional they were. With that said, one can not just consider the death of Mr. Fox as simply his, and his cause's fault. It was an execution and it is sick and it is tragic, no matter if it had happened to Mr. Fox or if it happened to our resident Know it all" Richard Evans.
After reading Richard Evans posts, I have to conclude that he is one of the most shallow, self indulgent s.o.b.s that I have seen on here.And yes, he is definitely a racist. He tries to make a joke out of this tragedy. God help us, if our country ever gets hit by these people who have declared their own war on Western society, if we have to rely on Richard Evans and his type to defend us. I truly have no problem with people who have a different point of view, however, I do have a problem when that point of view lacks even a minute part of common sense. Most of Mr. Evans rants fall in the latter category.

Steve in bc,
Yes, I failed to make a distinction, easy to do in a representative democracy. For the rest: Me too.

How can sandmonkeys like the mullahs running Iran, can mutilate, torture and murder gays, simply due to the fact they are gay, yet somehow Canadian Conservatives or American Republicans are seen as "homophobes"? Same goes for the rights of women.

The priorites of the left-wing are so whacky and two-sided, they simply can not hold a valid argument. One would think they would be in favor of destroying repressive muslim ideology, but the fact is, leftist ideology doesn't give much leeway for concern regarding people oppressed by the nature of Islam.

I find myself more concerned with American troops fighting to defend liberty in Iraq, as opposed to some stupid hippies that were in Baghdad to accomplish... ?

Richard:

No, not a race, terrorist can be of any creed or colour. A terrorist is a person who seeks to invoke his, or his master's will upon you through the use of violence without regard for any legal protections you have from the aforementioned violence.

Anyone who kills innocents in the name of god, with the purpose of frightening the masses into submission, is a terrorist.

Timothy McVey was a right-wing home grown terrorist. Thankfully we seem to have fewer of these blindly ignorant people than they currently do.

Addendum:

You'll notice that being a terrorist is determined by your behaviour, not your ethnicity. Hence is it not racist to say I hate murderers and fear mongers.

It's just logical to use a word that identifies the problem people and does not include the people who are not a problem, but share an ethnicity with the terrorists.

But I did not include innocents in my deffinition Kyla. I should also note that your deffinition having included God is inaccurate. The IRA did not do what they did in the name of GOD... I'm glad to agree that terrorist does not include a specific race and welcome the idea that using the term sand monkey should stand...

Since when is sacrificing yourself to save others lunacy. The CPT made a a way bigger impact than 2200 virgins sacrificed by the American government. Are you calling all those who signed up to serve in the military lunatics as well?

"recognition for the courage of his convictions"

And if he was convinced the world were flat, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, would we honor him for the courage of his convictions. No. We'd call him a fool. Which he was.

And if he were convinced that Hitler were really just a poor, misundertood man, unfairly vilified by those nasty Americans, would we recognize the courage of his convictions? No. We'd be revolted by his embrace of evil. Which he did.

So he died ignoring all the evidence of the evil intentions of those on whose behalf he was interceding. Consumed by the barbarians with whom he had cast his lot.

Poetic justice. Think I'll save my sympathy for those who are fighting to eradicate these monsters, not those who would defend them in thought, word, or deed. I care not for the feelings of his family or loved ones. Not when I see the obsene actions carried out by his kind.

Richard Evans:

The IRA are a Catholic group fighting a Protestant group. That brings god into it alright. But I'll give you the point that not all terrorist have to be religious. I don't know if Somali warlords are religious or if they're just more honest than Osama bin Laden about craving power and influence.

Back to the point, sand monkey is a synonym for sand nigger and is frequently used by racists to mean anyone who comes from the Middle East that is not Jewish.

You deciding to make it mean only the terrorist is the same ridiculous argument the KKK makes when they say nigger is a term of behaviour and that there can be white niggers too and black people who are not niggers.

It doesn't make you look better to try and make up your own definitions of racists terms, especially when the word terrorist is known world-wide to represent the people and behaviours you are speaking of.

I am from the US south and would love to have a Confederate flag on my car. The Stars and Bars flag means a lot about Dixieland and a southern way of life that doesn't have to support slavery or racism. But, I cannot put one on my car because No-nazis have adopted that flag for the white supremacy movement. It's now so associated with them as to make me appear affiliated with them if I display it.

Your use of the term sand monkey labels you as racist whether you want to try and argue the point or not. If you want to remove the racist label from yourself, use the appropriate term that you don't have to waste time trying to explain.

Sorry Kyla but you've fallen prey to lib-left language manipulation. To political correctness.

The term "sand monkey" cannot be found in either dictionary.com or wiki as a synonym for anything. In fact, the term can't be found in either of those places at all.

The connection between "monkey" and "nigger" is one you've made in your own mind. Lets look at the term "monkey" shall we?

Here's what wiki sez: "A monkey is any member of two of the three groupings of simian primates."

So my term "sand monkey" means simian primates who live in the sand. Sounds pretty accurate so far in describing the islamofascists no? A group of primates who haven't quite finished evolving?

By your definition, when my kids are bouncing off the walls after being cooped up in the house on a rainy day and I refer to them as monkeys, I'm being racist. That's not accurate at all Kyla.

You are correct when you discuss the term "nigger" as being racist however. It was derrived from the word "negro" which refers to the color of one's skin. To their race.

My term refers to the intelligence and actions of a group. Specfically, islamofascists.

I'm sorry that you can't put a confederate flag on your vehicle. It's a shame that you allowed one of your symbols to be co-opted in such a manner but that's your choice, not mine. You see, I have a US flag on the back of my vehicle up here in communist, America hating, Canada. Do I get grief over it? Some, yes. Do I care what others think? Not so much.

In closing, It's unfortunate that you've fallen victim to the PC police and live your life according to what others may think. As for me, I've chosen a different path.

Now, if any of you folks who wish to complain about the use of the term "sand monkey" can point me in the direction of some of these islamofascist terrorists, I'll ask them personally how they feel about it's use. Sound fair?

In the run up and aftermath of the Iraq War, America's political right engaged in any number of loathsome, thuggish acts in order to suppress dissent. Particularly disgusting was the way in which they went after anti-war artists like The Dixie Chicks, burning albums and slinging the word "traitor" around with wild abandon. And all for telling the truth: Bush really is an embarrassment to the nation; the Iraq War really is illegal, immoral, and a disaster.

But the Chicks are back and raising hell on their new album, which includes the tune "Not Ready to Make Nice", co-written with Dan Wilson of Semisonic.

A link to the official Dixie chicks is here http://www.dixiechicks.com/, if anyone here wants to pre-order the album or offer an apology.

More links on the old blog, which is here:

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/

Richard:

Now you're just not making any sense. Trying to discredit me, a non-racist conservative, by accusing me of being manipulated by the PC police would get you laughed out of any room with people who know me or know of me.

I am one of the least politically correct people on the planet. I do not censor myself when discussing politics or any issues. The one thing that is well known about me is that I will say anything at anytime in front of anyone. You might have noticed I used the word nigger, and not the PC version: "the N word."

As for "allowing" the white supremacists to use the Stars and Bars, I don't own the rights to it, and have no power to force them to stop displaying my flag at their rallies.

Since it would be impossible for me to have the opportunity to speak personally to every person who might see the Confederate flag on my car in order to explain my position, I cannot display it without realizing logically that most people, especially in Canada, would automatically assume I was a racist moron.

If you put a rainbow flag on your car to symbolize a belief in the harmony of the universe, don't be surprised when people think you are homosexual.

Richard, you didn't find sand monkey in your dictionary search, because it's not as you assert, a commonly used term for terrorists. However, black people have frequently been portrayed as apes or monkeys by racists. You seem to have breezed incomprehensively past the part of the definition of monkey that says Simian - ergo not human.

That, my not too deeply thinking primate, is called dehumanization - one of the pillars of racism. I good philosophy course in logic would be a great place to start if you want to continue to engage in political debate.

If you refer to your children as monkeys as a term of endearment, you'd be like a lot of other people, no racism implied. The same way as you are not being derrogatory when referring to them as young goats. Young humans are children, not kids, but the term has become an acceptable alternative through common usage. Alternantively, my father calling me a fucking dyke would not be considered a term of endearment.

Currently, the islamofascists call Americans and Jews (of whatever ethnic background) infidels, apes, monkeys, dogs, or pigs. Do you really want to fight to belong to their club?

If you want to keep going around in circles of non-sense, you have that right. I'm certain you could find some Middle Eastern people living near you to ask their opinion of your word choice. Do that and get back to me.

Sorry Kyla, that doesn't wash.

First, humans fall into the group of simian primates. Here's the link if you'd like to read up on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian

Second, your consious decision to not use the "Stars and Bars" effectively gives it's use away. Imagine the power that would be taken away from your white supremecists if everyone down there started to display the Confederate Flag. It's use as their symbol would be lost and they'd have to find something else. Words and symbols only have power if you, as an individual, allow them to. The PC'ers rely on the fact that you blindly let it happen.

Third, you ask if I "really want to fight to belong to their club?" Nope, but I will use their own tactics against them.

Fourth, I know many people of middle eastern disent but they're not islamofascist terrorists so asking them how they feel about the term I use would provide an innacurate representation. It would be like me asking you your opinion about whether or not yogurt likes being called yogurt. You're not yogurt luv and I don't think you can speak for it.

Finally, to address your comment regarding dehumanisation. I know exactly what it is and how it works. You see, it's the same trick the pro-abortionists use when they call a baby a fetus. And, the technique is also used extensively (in reverse) by animal rights activists. Or, we could even cite your own quote: "That, my not too deeply thinking primate, is called dehumanization - one of the pillars of racism. I good philosophy course in logic would be a great place to start if you want to continue to engage in political debate."

The whole idea behind it is to elevate oneself to a level above another, and, yes, I've studied a little psycology...

As noted previously my newly found Moonbat friend, I'm not above using my opponents own tactics against them.

Oh, as a side note in relation to this:

Since it would be impossible for me to have the opportunity to speak personally to every person who might see the Confederate flag on my car in order to explain my position, I cannot display it without realizing logically that most people, especially in Canada, would automatically assume I was a racist moron.

You just proved yourself a racist moron by assuming that most Canadians would think such things.

Talk about a waste of blog space! Hundreds of words in an otherwise serious blog devoted to Richard Evans' silly etmyological defence of the gutter term "sand monkey".

Let it go Kyla. Either the man is hopelessly retarded or he's having a bit of fun leading you on. In either case - not to be taken seriously.

Thanks Zog, I already had let it go.

Speaking of Christianity, BigCityLibs latest concerns how he renounced all religion and went on to a life as a gleeful atheist. Can be found here at:

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/