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March 6, 2006

Bird Flu: A Rumsfeld Plot

The Frontier Post has uncovered another sinister plot hatched by the Whitehouse;

"The government and media should play their role in creating awareness among the masses regarding this international conspiracy against this country's poultry industry," implored Dr. Saeed, president of the Poultry Doctors Association at the Peshawar Press Club.

He was flanked by the president of the Poultry Farm Association, Fazal-e-Malik. "The rumors of bird flu are being spread by an American company owned by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to boost U.S. sales of costly medicines," the two said.

They said that the price per tablet of anti-bird flu virus was 1500 rupees [$25].

"They spread these rumors not only in Pakistan but across the world, to sale the medicines of this company. And the money generated through the sales of these medicines is used to make the latest weapons being used against Muslims," they claimed. A large number of poultry farm owners and doctors were present on the occasion. They ate chicken and offered meals to the media men, saying that no bird flu virus has been detected in the province.


Photographic evidence;

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Via Watching America;

Posted by Kate at March 6, 2006 8:20 PM
Comments

Uh yeah, that's it! Another evil American plot against the world. Of course if bird flu turns out to be a reality only the indidels will die!

Posted by: the bear at March 6, 2006 8:26 PM

Vijay is impressed by Rummy's boss: George Bush, POTUS.

To Vijay:

Long live India.

Long live George Bush.

Long live freedom and democracy. +


This South Asian trip by Bush has impressed me.I never knew he had so much of passion for India and democracy. +
http://www.vijaysappani.com/myblog/

Posted by: maz2 at March 6, 2006 8:58 PM

Kate, quite often you post stuff like that and it turns out to be satire. I checked the link, but it actually looks serious. My question is: Is this a joke? Or is it serious? If it was any other group except Muslims I'd know it was satire, but I'm really not sure in this case.
I mean the muzzies believe that Jews are poisoning the bananas. What a bunch of fruitcakes!

Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at March 6, 2006 9:55 PM

A big problem in South Asia is the belief that the polio vaccine causes sterility. The same conspiracy theory dynamic is at play.

Of course, thousands of kids get polio unnecessarily. That's why the bird flu as a potential pandemic is so dangerous.

Posted by: PlaidShirt at March 6, 2006 10:03 PM

Not.
Satire.

Posted by: Kate at March 6, 2006 10:13 PM

Something is definitely a fowl with this story.

Posted by: Bagadonitz at March 6, 2006 10:24 PM

This must mean that the elite are having a hard time getting the medicine.

Posted by: Bernie at March 6, 2006 10:33 PM

Kate,I find it extremely interesting that this story and the one right after it(Freedom from Responsibility)are really about the same thing....the power of propaganda in war.

Posted by: Canadian Observer at March 6, 2006 10:44 PM

Michael Moore is a chicken Doctor now! In Pakistan! - Hey, if these numbnuts believe Rumsfeld is an evil international chicken killer, then I can believe Michael Moore is a Pakistani Chicken Doctor in his spare time.

Posted by: Infidel at March 6, 2006 10:46 PM

That's unbelieveable. As someone with close ties to the medical community, I am always amazed at how these people will ignore science and inflict such needless suffering on their own people due to their crackpot theories.

First it was vaccinations in Africa "causing AIDS" now it's a plot to make money off of a "fake bird flu."

Here's a hint, Dr. Saeed: the H5N1 Virus is real, and when it jumps to humans it is deadly. You are harming your own people.

Posted by: Dante at March 6, 2006 10:53 PM

Allah will no doubt protect his peace loving flock over there.

Posted by: Fred at March 6, 2006 10:58 PM

Bacardi,
The appeasers thought the Nazis were bluffing about their absurdities, until they turned into atrocities.

This time, suspect even atrocities will not convince the most religious Leftist.

We're all goners, that's for sure. Society has already committed the suicidal act. The only chance left is shock therapy, to purge the body completely of Leftism, but the poison has weakened the body.

Posted by: Doug at March 6, 2006 11:04 PM

Would you walk a mile for a camel? This is not satire. +

Saudi Cleric: "To Defend the Honor of a Female Camel"

Jaw, say hello to floor.

An interview with Saudi cleric Sheik Muhsen Al-’Awaji, aired on Ein TV on February 26, 2006, courtesy of MEMRI TV.

Sheik Muhsen Al-’Awaji: Before Islam, the Arabs fought for 40 years to defend the honor of a female camel. This was in the Busous War. A female camel was humiliated, and a 40-year war ensued to defend its honor. So what about the honor of the Prophet?

Interviewer: Are you proud of this?!

Sheik Muhsen Al-’Awaji: I am proud that honor and nobility always characterized the Arabs, and then came Islam to reinforce these traits.

I’m not saying I’m proud of a war over a female camel’s honor, or that I would call to wage a war to defend the honor of a female camel... But since this was done for the honor of a female camel, do not rebuke someone who would do anything to defend our beloved Prophet Muhammad.

Interviewer: Let us agree that we Muslims, in general, are remiss in conveying our message.. +
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=105
Via LGF

Posted by: maz2 at March 6, 2006 11:05 PM

ah ah,
Bacardi Breezer asked, "Is this a joke, or is it serious"?
Kate answered,
"Not.
Satire"

now is the answer, "Not satire" to the questions?
or is the answer to question 1, "Not"
and the answer to question 2, "Satire" ?

makes me think of "True Lies"...
and I wouldn't ask, if Kate wasn't in a paint booth much of today....

Posted by: marc58510 at March 6, 2006 11:08 PM

I wonder if you can get bird flu from having your head up your own ass? If so, it will be a Pakistani/Muslim epidemic.

Apparently the dark ages are not completely in the past.

Posted by: Brian M. at March 6, 2006 11:32 PM

CBCpravda.-a smattering of goofy headlines.


denouncing Gomery recommendations.

WHO saying bird flu worse than AIDS

Three days worth of saying Ontario wants to abolish the senate.

who establishes the headlines of the CryBitchComplain outfit??

Posted by: cal2 at March 7, 2006 12:03 AM

I think that when Dr. Saeed had his Velform Sauna Belt wrapped around his head under the turban, his personal temperature control was turned too high and the 50 minute timer failed. The targeted sauna action obviously melted and sweated away most of the gray matter between his ears.

Exactly is his doctorate in, STUPIDITY?

Gerry

Posted by: gerryinmontreal at March 7, 2006 12:19 AM

gerryinmontreal: Bear that in mind the next time you hear of a 'highly educated' 3rd world immigrant driving a taxi; purported 'degrees' are often not worth the paper they've been photoshopped onto.

Posted by: robo at March 7, 2006 5:13 AM

Very well said. The point you are making here does mean a lot to remember.

Posted by: victor at March 7, 2006 8:46 AM


Attacks on Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan:
MEMRI ^ | 3-7-06

Posted on 03/07/2006 5:30:32 AM PST by SJackson

Attacks on Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan: Islamist Sheikh on Al-Jazeera Calls Her Heretic; Syrian Sermon Calls Her Infidel

On February 21, 2006, MEMRITV released a clip featuring an interview with Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan on Al-Jazeera TV. During the interview, Dr.Ibrahim Al-Khouli accused Sultan of being a "heretic" for attacking current aspects of Islamic society.

THE CLIP HAS NOW BEEN VIEWED OVER ONE MILLION TIMES ON MEMRITV.ORG.

Following the release of this clip, Bassam Darwish, editor of the reformist website www.annaqed.com, posted a February 28, 2006 report by AFP stating that a Friday sermon in Damascus had harshly criticized her appearance on Al-Jazeera: "[Syrian human rights activist Anwar] Al-Bouni reports that one of the sheikhs described Wafa Sultan as 'an infidel,' accusing her of 'harming Islam more than it was harmed by the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, recently published in European newspapers.'

"According to Al-Bouni, 'the Syrian authorities began to use the weapon of the official religion as a new tool to oppress society... It is no longer enough for them to arrest activists, to terrorize them, and to prevent them from traveling, but now they recruit against them the pulpits of takfir [accusing other Muslims of heresy] and takhwin [accusing Muslims of treachery].' He described this policy as dangerous and destructive."

Excerpt:

Wafa Sultan: "Can you explain to me the killing of 100,000 children, women, and men in Algeria, using the most abominable killing methods? Can you explain to me the killing of 15,000 Syrian civilians? Can you explain to me the abominable crime in the military artillery school in Aleppo? Can you explain the crime in Al-Asbaqiya neighborhood of Damascus, Syria? Can you explain the attack of the terrorists on the peaceful village of Al-Kisheh in Upper Egypt, and the massacre of 21 Coptic peasants? Can you explain to me what is going on in Indonesia, Turkey, and Egypt, even though these are Islamic countries which opposed the American intervention in Iraq, and which don't have armies in Iraq, yet were not spared by the terrorists? Can you explain these phenomena, which took place in Arab countries? Was all this revenge on America or Israel? Or were they merely to satisfy bestial wild instincts aroused in them by religious teachings, which incite to rejection of the other, to the killing of the other, and to the denial of the other. When Saddam Hussein buried 300,000 Shi'ites and Kurds alive, we did not hear a single Muslim protesting. Your silence served to acknowledge the legitimacy of these killings, didn't it?..."

[…]

"What do you want from me? To speak evil of American society? I've never said that America is the eternal city of Plato, but I did say it was the eternal city of Wafa Sultan. The idealism of American society was enough to allow me to realize my humanity. I came to this country with fear." +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591538/posts

Posted by: maz2 at March 7, 2006 8:53 AM

Islam: The Religion of Misogyny* and the Sword: +


Women ejected by force from Iran stadium
Iran Focus ^ | 06 Mar 2006

Posted on 03/07/2006 6:15:52 AM PST by robowombat

Women ejected by force from Iran stadium Mon. 06 Mar 2006 Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Mar. 06 – Iranian security officers forcefully removed several hundred women spectators from an indoor stadium as they were watching athletes performing in the 2006 Gymnastics World Cup tournament being held in Tehran, eye-witnesses reported.

The action took place on the opening day of the tournaments as fans gathered in Tehran’s 12,000-seater Azadi indoor stadium to watch the international gymnasts compete.

Little more than 10 minutes after the start of the games, intelligence officials from the government’s sports institution entered the stalls of the arena and demanded that all women exit the facility.

Among those asked to leave were several female translators for the international teams that were competing on the day.

As the roughly 250 women were being led out, a number began to protest loudly and chanted slogans against gender inequality in the Islamic Republic.

Some international athletes took photos of the women being forced out.

On Wednesday, Iran’s State Security Forces attacked female football fans in Tehran after they held a defiant protest against the government decision to ban women from football stadiums.

Dozens of young women, who had bought tickets and hoped to cheer on their national team, were all banned from entering Tehran’s 100,000-seater open-air Azadi Stadium.

After being refused entry into the stands, the women organised a demonstration outside the stadium and quickly brought to the scene banners which read, “Azadi Stadium: 100,000 men-only arena” and “We also want to cheer on our national team”.

The ban on women watching male athletes performing in stadiums has been in force for years, but a few dozen women have challenged it in recent months. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s hard-line government recently decided to enforce the ban more stringently. +
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591566/posts

*Misogyny:Hatred of women: “Every organized patriarchal religion works overtime to contribute its own brand of misogyny” (Robin Morgan).
dictionary.com

Posted by: maz2 at March 7, 2006 9:24 AM

Rummy's been pretty much everywhere in the politically-connected US corporate microcosm from Searle to GI to Gilead....he still owns CEO sized blocks of stock...in much the same way Martin was at superficial arms length from his businesses. This is fact. Most of the US media has been repeating this for years and if it were not true they would be sued or politically destroyed.

The avian flu, whether it turns out to be a naturally mutated virus or one that got loose from a communist weapons lab, represents a potential pandemic threat. Fact

Rummy through his business connections with Gilead (the only producer of avian flu vaccine) stands poised to make a windfall profit IF the flu ever hits America. Fact

The new provisions of the patriot act allow the government to ORDER mass innoculations in the event of a health pandemic. Fact

Now it is disingenuous to say Rummy created this flu...but it is equally disingenuous denying that he has positioned himself to make big money on a pandemic.

Frankly It disturbs me that normally rational conservatives reflexively defend and apologise for corporate statists and insider profiteers who worm their way into office under a republican label. In my estimation there is not much difference between Rummy and Martin except their business contacts.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 7, 2006 9:47 AM

Expect to see MSM's emphasis on the cost to defend freedom but rarely the consequences of not defending freedom.

what is the point of having a military if we're afraid to use it?

Not only are Canadian soldiers having to carry the fight for freedom in Afghanistan but in Canada as well.

Posted by: Wayne in Wetaskiwin at March 7, 2006 10:08 AM

I love the guys trying to scream and eat chicken at the same time!
Exceptionally funny!

It's almost like a Bills game,...except everybody's wearing pajamas,.. and there are no girls,.. or tailgates,... or fun.

Posted by: richfisher at March 7, 2006 10:16 AM

WLMckR,
You've been commenting on SDA for almost as long as I have and I almost always agree with your point of view. Lately though you seem to have fallen in with the conspiracy theorists. Please don't! We need every good conservative we can get.

Rumsfeld is a wealthy man. With his schedule of running the world through his own personal military dictatorship I sincerely doubt he has the time to sit on the internet and trade his stocks on E-Trade. I virtually guarantee he has a financial advisor who invests for him and once a year Rumsfeld may review what's in his portfolio. Bio-tech and pharmaceutical (sp?) companies are simply part of a well-balanced portfolio and investing in a company focused on the latest potential pandemic makes pretty good financial sense.
Lastly, the biggest issue here is the statement "international conspiracy against this country's poultry industry" and "rumours of bird flu are being spread by an American company owned by Rumsfeld" and "money generated through the sales......used to make the latest weapons being used against Muslims"
Sorry, but these guys are nuts!
No offence intended BTW!

Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at March 7, 2006 10:17 AM

This never would have happened when Colonel Sanders was alive.

Posted by: Mystery Meat at March 7, 2006 10:24 AM

Bacardi Breezer:..good post and good points...

Mystery Meat:...don't forget...even "The Colonel" kept his recipe secret and it remains so today...

Posted by: Garry P. at March 7, 2006 10:51 AM

Shhh! Don't mention the Colonel! The Muslims will see him as another figure of American military imperialism!
Yes, that's right. Colonel Rumsfeld! He's really the one behind all this!
Kate, can't we get a side-by-side shot of Rumsfeld and the KFC Colonel to see if they were separated at birth?

Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at March 7, 2006 11:00 AM

Boy, are those guys in the white house ever smart. Sinister, but smart.

Posted by: Irwin Daisy at March 7, 2006 11:01 AM

I knew this whole conspiracy thing was a bunch of clucks...

Posted by: tomax at March 7, 2006 11:33 AM

Bacardi B said: "You've been commenting on SDA for almost as long as I have and I almost always agree with your point of view. Lately though you seem to have fallen in with the conspiracy theorists. Please don't! We need every good conservative we can get."

Sorry to disappoint Bacardi but I call them as I see them and when something is an easy to verify fact, it is not a "theory" conspiritorial or otherwise.

It is also not conducive to objective reasoning to dismiss things out of hand through partisan blinders...a reactionary is an intellectually shallow thing regardless what partisan stripe they wear. The ability to see when the emperor is naked is a healthy attribute of an informed and wary electorate...One must have the unimpaired ability to distinguish between those who wish to serve the public and the abundance of those who wish to subjugate and rob us.

There are may facts about the Bush-Rummy tag team policies that gag me, and may breaches in their facade of "principled conservatives"... such as their rediculous debt loading, protracted military ventures, open boarder agenda in the south and coddling illegal aliens, their willingness to suspend the constitution at every little whim and their turning America into an island fortress full of paranoids who willingly accept a gulag mentality towards any dissent....like Clinton on steroids.

I have been a libertarian far longer than I have been a conservative and my libertarian civil ethics tell me the Rumsfelds of the political world are as big a menace to populist democratic politics as any other form of concerted elitism...The closest I can describe my distain for Neo-cons and my personal political orientation would be to compare it to being a "Jacksonian Republican".

...The current lot of corporate statists and authocratic security/intelligence sector elitists in the republican administration have shown us they care less for domestic freedom and liberty than they do for getting their own way and making a buck for themselves and their patrons doing it...these are NOT Reagan Conservatives!!!... they are some new mutated strain of monopolizing autocrat...Either Bush is a weak president who cannot control them or he is a ideologically aligned participant in their rush to concentrate/consolodate power in the federal cabinet. Republicans will suffer for it at the polls as the public ( and moderate republicans) react by hurling them from office for the vast debt they have rung up....which disturbs me because these assholes blew an opportunity to bury the radical left in the democratic political machine with another 1 or 2 republican mandates....and the Democrat alternative sitting in the wings is really no alternative at all...just more of the same autocratic statist socialism.

Bush et al have been a vast disappointiment to true conservatives and have actually driven American Libertarians and conservative populists out of the party.

So please do not paint the open warts on this administrations as conspiracy "theories"...America will be paying the price for this regime's fiscal stupidy for a couple of generations.

Give me real republicans like Ron Paul or Reagan.....or Andy Jackson

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 7, 2006 11:35 AM

BTW Bacardi: Rummy was the past chaiman of the company (Gilead) with the flu vaccine (Tamiflu) and he retains a large block of stock ( as in voting rights)in that company. The paranoia over flu pamdemics has made Gilead's tamiflu the most in demand grug on the planet.

Second, I think you misssed the point. I was not validating the rediculous rumors from the chicken people.....merely that Rummy is not a total icon of virtue and will profit hansomely from the FEARS over the avian flu.

Seems the paranoia over the virus is selling more drugs than are used in treatment of actual cases.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 7, 2006 11:47 AM

They are forgetting that this a very real virus in China......enough said.

Posted by: Craig at March 7, 2006 11:49 AM

Re: Post above.

Left bloggers "moderation" comments? What is that? +


No Responses to “The real Pakistan”

1. maz2 Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
March 6th, 2006 at 9:00 pm

Vijay is impressed by Rummy’s boss: George Bush, POTUS.

To Vijay:

Long live India.

Long live George Bush.

Long live freedom and democracy. +

This South Asian trip by Bush has impressed me.I never knew he had so much of passion for India and democracy. +
http://www.vijaysappani.com/myblog/ +

http:smalldeadanimals.com

Posted by: maz2 at March 7, 2006 11:50 AM

Care to know a little more about respected author Steven Vincent who lived in and wrote about Basra? Steven who had a blogsite called RedzoneBlog and was suddenly whisked away by police in a white Toyota, then found later by the roadside dead?

The two paragraphs that led to his demise, [I think], and the Iran connection named
Moqtada al-Sadr, a name now becoming more familiar, are at::
http://TonyGuitar.blogspot.com
TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at March 7, 2006 12:45 PM

don't forget rummy and his cipro factory

Posted by: sarge at March 7, 2006 2:41 PM

So, if AIDS is a major problem in Africa and in African-American communities, it's because the U.S. government was behind the infection (probably the same bastards that set up O.J. and supported bringing the drug trade to the projects); and if avian 'flu' *isn't* a problem in the Muslim world, the so-called threat is really just a ploy by Bush-friendly pharmaceutical companies to sell expensive drugs to people who really don't need them; then, if people really *do* start dropping off from avian 'flu', it stands to reason that the U.S. government has been secretly spreading the infection in order to cover up its previous lies. My head is spinning. It's like the line in Costa-Gavras's "Z": "Blame the U.S.; even when you're wrong, you're right." A-choo!

Posted by: Roseberry at March 7, 2006 2:57 PM

Cheney: 'We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon'

Vice President Dick Cheney said Tuesday that Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon +
via nealenews.com

Posted by: maz2 at March 7, 2006 4:09 PM

Iran forces 'infiltrating Iraq'


There's always been a potential for a civil war. That country was held together through a repressive regime that put hundreds of thousands of human beings into mass graves. +

Donald Rumsfeld
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591874/posts

Posted by: maz2 at March 7, 2006 5:17 PM

Tamiflu isn't a flu vaccine.

Stuff like this makes me crazy, you know?

Posted by: Kate at March 7, 2006 7:59 PM

On the whole, I'm with WLMr on this one. Smells like a bogus crisis. If the Global-Warming-esque daily fearmongering headlines weren't enough, you should be convinced when you see dyed-in-the-wool socialists like Dalton McGuinty and George W. Bush trying to figure out how they can make government even bigger under the pretext of "helping people through the [non-existent] crisis". The one trying to figure out how he can use it to kick doctors around, the other trying to figure out how can use it to expand the use of the military on American soil. I'm sure that right now, at every level of government, in every jurisdiction, in every country around the world, there is a committee of socialist weiners sitting around trying to draft "emergency" laws they can use in the War on Chicken Flu to advance their power and hire more of their friends.

Remember what Reagan said - the scariest phrase in the English language?

Posted by: Justzumgai at March 7, 2006 9:48 PM

If the transition of troops in Afghanistan had been gradual and unannounced, then do you suppose there may have been no show of force by the Taliban?

They burned schools and put on a show of force with bombings and the axe attack. Schools were equipped and encouraged by us in the west.

Those things may have been avoided if we had not announced an abrupt change of command from USA to Canada. Should we not match the stealth of the Taliban?

Is it depressing that our military planners do not think of these things?

Watching the discussions between our troop leaders and the Afghanistans using local interpreters was not very assuring.

I thought that many of the locals looked very negative and had expressions that were more treasonous than cooperative.

Watching the forces out in the open, struggling with heavy guns and equipment mired in the wet sand muck made me very uneasy.

Sitting ducks comes to mind. Sorry, I support our guys 100% but I wonder if the leadership are made up of Liberal friends, brothers and cousins?

I'm ex-military, and this looked like a random parade of equipment for show that got bogged down in the muck. Lucky they were not under attack at the time.

Easy to criticize, you say. Well that's just it. Professional maneuvers should not be easy to find fault with. TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at March 8, 2006 12:16 AM

Justzumgai,
I agree that the bird flu is PROBABLY a manufactured crisis, but I don't believe it's coming from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove or Halliburton. The media is driving this, just like they drive so many other issues in the world. The Serbian/Kosovo war that Clinton got us involved in was, although serious to those involved, something manufactured by the media as being serious enough for the rest of the world to get involved in. Starvation in Somalia back in the late '80's / early '90's was the same and so is Darfur. All of these issues are serious, but no worse than what happens on a REGULAR basis outside of our wealthy, sheltered, western democracies. Quite frankly, SARS and BSE were both media-manufactured crises (sp?). Again, they were serious and measures needed to be taken to prevent them from spreading, but SARS never NEVER should have caused the daily headlines and panic that it did.
Big Media need big headlines to gain marketshare and be profitable. That's why I like blogs, I can read a variety of them for free and I can make up my own mind whether or not an issue is important or can be ignored.

Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at March 8, 2006 11:56 AM

Hear, hear, WLMKR!

Yeah these folks here (most of 'em) are showing themselves to be just right-wing zombies, and not thoughtful conservatives. Government has expanded by multiples by almost any measure under the current regime in the US. How does that fit in with other principles of the so-called "Neo-cons"?

Posted by: SonsofMonkeysandSwine at March 8, 2006 8:16 PM

Dear SonsofJews (I assume that's what you are tongue-in-cheek refering to),
1. What does larger gov't have to do with Rumsfeld owning shares in a Big Pharma co which has something to do (apparently) with the spread of bird flu in foreign hemispheres?
2. I agree that Bush and Co.'s domestic policies are awful and are far more conducive to our own NDP policies than anything even close to being conservative.
3. My knee instinctively gives a little jerk when ANYONE comes up with these hare-brained conspiracies.
4. Conspiracies require way too much intelligence, forethought and planning to actually execute.
5. Before everyone starts attacking narrow-minded conservatives, why don't we start by addressing the original post which is the accusation that Rumsfeld is manipulating bird flu fears to drive up his shares in a PharmaCo so that they can make more profits to make more weapons to kill more Muslims.
I mean really. Think of the logistics required to do that. You don't think Rummy is busy enough with Iraq, Afghanistan and the other 2 million or so troops?

Posted by: Bacardi Breezer at March 8, 2006 8:37 PM

Kate said: "Tamiflu isn't a flu vaccine.

Stuff like this makes me crazy, you know?"

I never said it was Kate, and I never validated any of the wacky rumors surrounding avian flu or extolled the wondersor failings of Tamiflu...I am neither a drug salesman or a spreader of the rumors, paranoia or misinformation which sells these corporate vaccines as a plecebo to public paranoia.

Indeed it must drive one crazy constantly having to remind fellow conservatives that not every conservative in government is a principled conservative.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 9, 2006 10:06 AM

Kate; If Tamifu is not effective against avian h2 then what exactly is the state department doing promoting it and heightening fears over the potential of pandemic?

http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/health/health_1181.html

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 9, 2006 10:13 AM

Posted by Justzumgai: "On the whole, I'm with WLMr on this one. Smells like a bogus crisis.

WLMR: Bingo! Doesn't matter if you blame the media or military bug labs or crazy eastern chicken people or what ever...the misinformation causing panic was fed to a predictably alarmist media with devistatingly accurate predictability....we have a full blown panic in some areas of the world....a panic which is selling anti pandemic placebos and government planning for tighter population management.

We see it establishing in the collective mind of North Americans that there is a REAL possibility of a pamdemic devistating our populations....even if the specific bug which can actuate this national crisis is rather nebulous at this time and percieved to be some future event of mutation, the seed has been planted in the the collective North American consciousness that old fashioned pathogenic pandemics ARE a real possibility...the reaction to SARS and anthrax scares re-enforced public fear and their acceptance that this constitutes a "National crisis" which federal authority must take arbitrary action against.

Posted by Justzumgai: "bigger government under the pretext of "helping people through the [non-existent] crisis". The one trying to figure out how he can use it to kick doctors around, the other trying to figure out how can use it to expand the use of the military on American soil."

WLMR: Although this sounds like the dreaded "conspiracy theories" we are conditioned to reject out of hand, the end result is that the recently passed Patriot Act phaseII has a clause which suspends the constitution, envokes martial law under FEMA for a list of "crisis" one of which is a pandemic. The CDC and FEMA have plans for pandemic crisis response which include using the military to force( at gun point) large blocks of the population into relocation/isolation "camps" to isolate them as "suspected" infection carriers...also to block off travel corridors and seal off metropolitan areas....of course, under martial law FEMA's unconstitutional acts are excused...civilian ownership of personal arms in the effected areas is outlawed under threse conditions andconfrontational military confiscations were planned to deal with this "destabilizing" "crisis" element ( actually they had a trial run of door to door military confiscation of civilian arms in New Orleans and other parishes).. and, of course, also suspended under crisis management martial law is the mandate of the ruling president...that is extended until( who?) declares the "crisis" to be eliminated....this is documented for anyone who cares to locate and read the pertenent documentation...it is not top secret....and although it may read like a conspiracy novel by Tom Clancy, it is facual documented federal policy and action planning.

As much as you may be mocked for suggesting it, the possibility of a military government under a dictatorship in America is now a definate possibility mandated by an act of Congress called "the patriot Act". In Europe and Canada we have similar statutes to suspend our constitutions and civil liberties under the "crisis" determination.

Now, given these facts, please recall the machiavellian formula that oligarchs have used for the past untold millenia to consolodate their power:

Problem - Reaction - Solution.

How perfectly a pandemic or environmental scare or nebulous Terror threat falls into this formula.

In this situation it is best for the public of free nations to keep their eyes open...not have them restrained by partisan bliders which can be used to manipulate their optics.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at March 9, 2006 11:20 AM
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